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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Snods Shinpad 2 on February 14, 2010, 12:31:18 pm
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Over the past few months I have noticed that more and more people at games I have seen on the telly (mostly premiership games) are standing for the whole 90 minutes. Not sure if anyone else has noticed it, but it seems far more common now than it was a short time ago.
Personally I really miss being able to stand and it certainly affects the atmosphere having to sit. It just doesn't feel right sitting down and singing for some reason.
Is it time for us stand up again?
Is it possible to do this without people who don't want to stand getting the hump because they can't see?
An 'unofficial' standing section maybe?
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There's a safety issue with standing in seating areas, so can't see how any planning can be done to make this effective.
Don't know where the campaign has got to on this - anyone know? Last I heard was the idea of having small sections for standing. I'd suggest at the KM a section of 50% across of the south stand, in the centre, and about 75% down from the top would be about right. That would give room for about 1,000 to 1,500 standing. Prices the same as seated. All away fans seated of course. Is it poss?
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All the Forest fans did it yesterday, and alot of other clubs have done. If we did it at away games, some moaning tw@t would have a go.
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i have tried standing several times in keepmoat and always get someone behind me moaning and end up arguing, ive had it a couple of times in away games aswell, the way i see it i paid for my seat if i dont want to sit in it thats up to me now i always try and get near the back of stands on away games even if im not supposed to be there just so i can stand, i do believe there was a vote went round at belle vue for non standing section which never came into effect when we moved to keepmoat, anyone know why this was??
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Because the council recieved monies from a football foundation I believe to support the funding and we wouldn't have recieved this if it wasn't all seater I believe.
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thornerover94 wrote:
i have tried standing several times in keepmoat and always get someone behind me moaning and end up arguing, ive had it a couple of times in away games aswell, the way i see it i paid for my seat if i dont want to sit in it thats up to me
People have a right to complain too.
I sometimes take my old man who physically couldn't stand for the whole game and I would tell them to sit down too.
Why should he pay good money and see nothing of the game?
Fair enough standing if everyone is standing, or if there is noone behind you, or if it is an 'unofficial' standing area, otherwise it's just going to cause moaning and grumbling.
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We're making progress, albeit a bit slow at the moment as we do have legislation issues;
http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/LibDemsbacksafestanding.php?id=added|desc|90|
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standing in seated areas at fottball grounds and you run risk of been frog marched out of ground by stewards or police....
....strange thing is the name of said part of ground you are getting thrown out of has a good chance of been called 'east,west,north,south stand' etc etc.
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oslorovers wrote:
standing in seated areas at fottball grounds and you run risk of been frog marched out of ground by stewards or police....
....strange thing is the name of said part of ground you are getting thrown out of has a good chance of been called 'east,west,north,south stand' etc etc.
Thing is Oslo if enough people do it then they don't take action.
I noticed at Chelsea's game yesterday the Shed End was stood for the whole game, ditto Leeds v Spurs and quite a few other games recently.
It seems like supporters are just thinking fook it, we're all standing and stewards realising they can't throw out 30 odd thosand people are not taking action.
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
i have tried standing several times in keepmoat and always get someone behind me moaning and end up arguing, ive had it a couple of times in away games aswell, the way i see it i paid for my seat if i dont want to sit in it thats up to me
People have a right to complain too.
I sometimes take my old man who physically couldn't stand for the whole game and I would tell them to sit down too.
Why should he pay good money and see nothing of the game?
Fair enough standing if everyone is standing, or if there is noone behind you, or if it is an 'unofficial' standing area, otherwise it's just going to cause moaning and grumbling.
that is quite fair, but i would also say no disrespect intended if someone is unable to stand wouldnt it make sense for them to be sat on the front row or somewhere near if they struggle standing for long periods, i would not intentionally stand in front of someone of old age or who was disabled i am talking about younger people and middle aed men/women
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I remember about a year of so ago, that David Cameron mentioned that he was going to look into terraces again. I figured it was just the Tories trying to gain votes from the footballs fans who may not traditionally be Tory supporters, and of course it would most likely be voted down due to safety issues. So it would be a win win situation for him.
But I haven't read anything about it recently, but who knows with an election looming if he has the nerve to bring it up again...
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thornerover94 wrote:
Snods Shinpad wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
i have tried standing several times in keepmoat and always get someone behind me moaning and end up arguing, ive had it a couple of times in away games aswell, the way i see it i paid for my seat if i dont want to sit in it thats up to me
People have a right to complain too.
I sometimes take my old man who physically couldn't stand for the whole game and I would tell them to sit down too.
Why should he pay good money and see nothing of the game?
Fair enough standing if everyone is standing, or if there is noone behind you, or if it is an 'unofficial' standing area, otherwise it's just going to cause moaning and grumbling.
that is quite fair, but i would also say no disrespect intended if someone is unable to stand wouldnt it make sense for them to be sat on the front row or somewhere near if they struggle standing for long periods, i would not intentionally stand in front of someone of old age or who was disabled i am talking about younger people and middle aed men/women
So now your telling someone else where they can sit so you are allowed to stand?
Seats are there for a purpose. To f*****g sit on them.
As a club we have progressed from a crap ground to a very comfortable all seater stadium.
If you want to stand why not go and watch Armthorpe Welfare. I am sure you will be more than welcome to stand wherever you want for the whole 90 minutes.
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Wellred wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Snods Shinpad wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
i have tried standing several times in keepmoat and always get someone behind me moaning and end up arguing, ive had it a couple of times in away games aswell, the way i see it i paid for my seat if i dont want to sit in it thats up to me
People have a right to complain too.
I sometimes take my old man who physically couldn't stand for the whole game and I would tell them to sit down too.
Why should he pay good money and see nothing of the game?
Fair enough standing if everyone is standing, or if there is noone behind you, or if it is an 'unofficial' standing area, otherwise it's just going to cause moaning and grumbling.
How do people who can't stand for 90 minutes go on when fans, like Forest did stood for the entire game yesterday? Same can be said of Sheff Weds, Barnsley etc who have visited this season.
that is quite fair, but i would also say no disrespect intended if someone is unable to stand wouldnt it make sense for them to be sat on the front row or somewhere near if they struggle standing for long periods, i would not intentionally stand in front of someone of old age or who was disabled i am talking about younger people and middle aed men/women
So now your telling someone else where they can sit so you are allowed to stand?
Seats are there for a purpose. To f*****g sit on them.
As a club we have progressed from a crap ground to a very comfortable all seater stadium.
If you want to stand why not go and watch Armthorpe Welfare. I am sure you will be more than welcome to stand wherever you want for the whole 90 minutes.
How do fans of teams who cant stand up for the game go on who stand up for the entire 90 mins. Ie Forest yesterday, Wednesday, Barnsley, have all stood for the entire game at the Keepmoat.
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I can't understand why people feel the need to stand in order to watch a game. The stadium is designed for all seating and everyone has an excellent view of the pitch. The exception to this is if you are unfortunate enough to be sat behind some inconsiderate individual who is unable to show enough restraint to remain seated and insists on jumping up and down like a yoyo throughout the game - spoiling it for others behind them who want to watch the game.
When watching a match in the comfort of their homes, I’m sure that supporters don’t feel the need to stand up continually throughout the ninety minutes – so why should they when at the Keepmoat!
Does this make me a bad supporter?
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for the record iam for standing at football games,via the choice of certian parts of ground deemed standing only.
you can not gererate a 'decent atmosphere when most 'bums'are seated.
the only times when you do get most of any of todays top flight all seated stadiums
with the crowd staning and stewards turning a blind eye depends on the situation of the game.
if its last games of season and relegation or league titles are at stakes, odd facup games,carling cup games.
reason for facup games and carling cup games is that it attracts the fans from yester years since in main season ticket holders have to now buy for said games.think you get the picture iam painting.
you just have to read 'wellreds' response to standing which is my point.
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Metalmicky wrote:
I can't understand why people feel the need to stand in order to watch a game.
I prefer to stand. Each to their own. A few games this season I've nearly frozen to death sitting their unable to move around.
It would be nice to have the choice.
Metalmicky wrote:The stadium is designed for all seating and everyone has an excellent view of the pitch. The exception to this is if you are unfortunate enough to be sat behind some inconsiderate individual who is unable to show enough restraint to remain seated and insists on jumping up and down like a yoyo throughout the game - spoiling it for others behind them who want to watch the game.
Agree, but if there was a clear distinction between standing and sitting areas that problem wouldn't arise.
Metalmicky wrote:Does this make me a bad supporter?
Of course not. You prefer to sit and watch the game without someone blocking your view. Nothing wrong with that.
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I am yet to see a match on 'Match of the Day' where The away fans are seated. One that stood out for me was Arsenal at home To Villa, the Villa fans were stood up for 90 minutes depsite losing 3-0. I am also yet to see a Sheffield Wednesday fan on their travels sat down.
I do think that compared to our home support, our away following is very good. However I think that the next step of our away support is to try and get everybody stood up. Those that wish to seat can make there way to the bottom to sit, or don't bother turning up. No disrespect intended but clearly this problem does not occur at other clubs, the only fans you see sat down on there travels is disabled supporters, with most grounds providing a disabled area.
Of course this is only what I believe and my opinion. People may see it differently and wish to sit down. If that is the case then fair enough. But when we do visit other grounds there is at least one stand where the home fans are all on there feet, at Cardiff is was to the right of Rovers fans. At Coventry is was the corner near the Tesco Stand. Derby was next to the away supporters on the right, Sheffield Uniteds is the goal side opposite, Wednesdays is the kop chelsea have the Shed end, West brom is next to the away fans, likewise with Reading. Surely if a team like Cardiff that have had there new ground in under a year can sort out a standing section among there fans then we can do likewise
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I'd love for us to all stand at away games, it looks awesome when you see other fans doing it on TV. It also gets atmosphere going as well.
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when i go to a game i dont see myself as paying for 1 seat to sit i see it as paying to watch my team for wherever and however i see fit if i want to stand up or bounce around for 90 minutes i will do it if someone sat behind me doesnt like it then next time they will have to choose to sit somewhere else
i am also for the fans standing at away games it does create a better atmosphere for those fans who want it i feel after this discussion we do have to look at getting an unofficial standing area going and maybe also look to make this so called singing section also
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I for one prefer sitting, my worse viewing occasion came at last years Wolves away game. Where two lads came late and stood for virtually the whole game infront of me. Even after being asked four times one of the lads was too ignorant to sit. I thought the line of Police stood next to the wall where we were sat would do something but no, so my days entertainment was spoilt by someone who had no thought but for himself.
Seats have made it safer & allow better viewing for all & thats the way it should stay.
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thornerover94 wrote:
when i go to a game i dont see myself as paying for 1 seat to sit i see it as paying to watch my team for wherever and however i see fit if i want to stand up or bounce around for 90 minutes i will do it if someone sat behind me doesnt like it then next time they will have to choose to sit somewhere else
What an absolutely ignorant, conceited and juvenile comment that is - how stupid can you get.
Of course you are paying for your seat – who do you think you are? Are you more important than the rest of the supporters who turn up and pay the same money?
Should you choose to act like a plum and stand up for 90 minutes regardless of other peoples considerations then I dare say that Doncaster Rovers could do without your support. There is another team down the road who may be more appreciative of your chimp like intelligence.
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timdrfc wrote:
I for one prefer sitting, my worse viewing occasion came at last years Wolves away game. Where two lads came late and stood for virtually the whole game infront of me. Even after being asked four times one of the lads was too ignorant to sit. I thought the line of Police stood next to the wall where we were sat would do something but no, so my days entertainment was spoilt by someone who had no thought but for himself.
Seats have made it safer & allow better viewing for all & thats the way it should stay.
The Lad in question was not wearing a suit was he ? :blink:
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Metalmicky wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
when i go to a game i dont see myself as paying for 1 seat to sit i see it as paying to watch my team for wherever and however i see fit if i want to stand up or bounce around for 90 minutes i will do it if someone sat behind me doesnt like it then next time they will have to choose to sit somewhere else
What an absolutely ignorant, conceited and juvenile comment that is - how stupid can you get.
Of course you are paying for your seat – who do you think you are? Are you more important than the rest of the supporters who turn up and pay the same money?
Should you choose to act like a plum and stand up for 90 minutes regardless of other peoples considerations then I dare say that Doncaster Rovers could do without your support. There is another team down the road who may be more appreciative of your chimp like intelligence.
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
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Its amazing how often this subject comes up. Yeah standing at OBV was fantastic, but you cant beat the moment when you jump out of your seat for a bad tackle or when the ball hits the onion bag.
I for one like to take my son to games and if standing was introduced this would almost certainly stop, as he and most other kids wouldn't be able to see. Are we not supposed to be encouraging these younger fans to keep coming, and grow the fan base that many moan about not growing?
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danrover82 wrote:
Its amazing how often this subject comes up. Yeah standing at OBV was fantastic, but you cant beat the moment when you jump out of your seat for a bad tackle or when the ball hits the onion bag.
I for one like to take my son to games and if standing was introduced this would almost certainly stop, as he and most other kids wouldn't be able to see. Are we not supposed to be encouraging these younger fans to keep coming, and grow the fan base that many moan about not growing?
there are too many pros and cons for both situations, e.g. it does look good to see a whole seated stand stand up for a goal in celebration whereas it looks less effective if stood up.
I understand about the situation with kids as well, they cannot see if everyone stands, which is why it would be most effective to make it so there is a section in the keepmoat where you go to stand up rather than sit down. Therefore if you choose to bring those that cannot stand due to different reasons there are areas available around the ground to suit everyones needs.
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I agree to a standing section, problem you have now is that someone or many people wont want to move after settling in their seat over the years. Which causes a problem for where you would put it. I
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There's barely been an away game where I've sat, I usually make a point of standing right at the back. No issue there. If I'm not right at the back I will not.
What gets my back up is the moaners who moan when you do stand. Not for the whole game but when you jump up for a couple of seconds as a natural reaction or because all those in front of you are doing so. WHy should I sit and look at someone's back if they're stood in front of me? If they're sat and I'm nowhere near the back I'll gladly and do sit down. But some of these people are ridiculous. Don't even get me started on the people who come and sit on the very back row when a stand is half full and then moan all around are stood. A simple 5 or 6 rows down and there's usually room to sit and watch. Some people just love the argument.
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thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
I also go to watch my team playing – however I am not that ignorant and self righteous that I would choose to stand in front of a fellow Rovers supporter.
I also used to stand at Belle Vue and given the opportunity I would probably do so again - however, there is no standing area in an 'all seater’ stadium. For you to say that football is now ‘suited’ to those who want to sit is a pretty crass comment also - there is no option pal, unless you choose to be ignoramus and blatently stand in front of others.
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So this begs the question, most clubs will now stand at away games. How do the fans of those clubs who want to sit down do this. They dont. Simple. I'd love to have us all stood up on Tuesday night. It creates a better atmosphere. I don't know why, but it does.
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yorkshire pudding i bet my last dollar that the moaners that you on about that moan when you stand up for a few monments when a goal is scored etc etc
are the exact people that are streaming out of KMS in their hoards when rovers are 2nil down with 10 mins to go....
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I'm definately for standing, at least at the away games anyway. It makes the atmosphere so so much better and enjoyable, which for me is partly why i enjoy football.
You pay your money so you have the right to stand if you want to, and not be dictated to by some winger behind. If they cant stand for the 90, or want to be miserable moaners then the bottom 2 rows are available.
Im not going to be made to feel obliged to sit, especially if it spoils my enjoyement of football, likewise if someone wants to sit then they can use the bottom 2 rows.
There, everyones happy.
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oslorovers wrote:
yorkshire pudding i bet my last dollar that the moaners that you on about that moan when you stand up for a few monments when a goal is scored etc etc
are the exact people that are streaming out of KMS in their hoards when rovers are 2nil down with 10 mins to go....
You're probably right, it's just very frustrating. I've no issue with sitting at a match, but it's damn annoying when people expect you to sit all game, some of us get excited and like to back the team a little.
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At games where there is a choice of seating then perhaps there is an argument for standing up. At games like Newcastle away, where you have a reserved seat then everyone should respect those around them and stay seated. That is apart from at times of high excitement eg a goal or a close chance where everyone who can get to their feet actually do so without even thinking about it.
I sit in the West Stand and everyone has an informal arrangement along the above lines. It works well and everyone enjoys the match in reasonable harmony. The only time there is a problem is when people choose to leave before the end of the match and do so whilst the ball is in play rather than waiting for a goal kick, substitution or some other break in play.
It's just a matter of good manners and having a bit of respect for other peoples wishes.
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Boomstick wrote:
I'm definately for standing, at least at the away games anyway. It makes the atmosphere so so much better and enjoyable, which for me is partly why i enjoy football.
You pay your money so you have the right to stand if you want to, and not be dictated to by some winger behind. If they cant stand for the 90, or want to be miserable moaners then the bottom 2 rows are available.
Im not going to be made to feel obliged to sit, especially if it spoils my enjoyement of football, likewise if someone wants to sit then they can use the bottom 2 rows.
There, everyones happy.
How ignorant. Just re-read what you have wrote! \"Someone who can't stand for the 90 should move to the bottom 2 rows so you can stand?\" WTF? How about, if you want to stand, you move to the bottom two rows and jump around all you want?
So bloody ignorant... :angry:
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bobjimwilly wrote:
Boomstick wrote:
I'm definately for standing, at least at the away games anyway. It makes the atmosphere so so much better and enjoyable, which for me is partly why i enjoy football.
You pay your money so you have the right to stand if you want to, and not be dictated to by some winger behind. If they cant stand for the 90, or want to be miserable moaners then the bottom 2 rows are available.
Im not going to be made to feel obliged to sit, especially if it spoils my enjoyement of football, likewise if someone wants to sit then they can use the bottom 2 rows.
There, everyones happy.
How ignorant. Just re-read what you have wrote! \"Someone who can't stand for the 90 should move to the bottom 2 rows so you can stand?\" WTF? How about, if you want to stand, you move to the bottom two rows and jump around all you want?
So bloody ignorant... :angry:
You're the one being ignorant, by forcing people to sit when they dont want to/cant. At least i'm offering a solution that can work for everyone.
This unwritten policy of 'im sat down so you should be too' is completely wrong and ignorant. If you want to sit, then go to the front. Otherwise stop moaning when people are standing.
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Metalmicky wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
I also go to watch my team playing – however I am not that ignorant and self righteous that I would choose to stand in front of a fellow Rovers supporter.
I also used to stand at Belle Vue and given the opportunity I would probably do so again - however, there is no standing area in an 'all seater’ stadium. For you to say that football is now ‘suited’ to those who want to sit is a pretty crass comment also - there is no option pal, unless you choose to be ignoramus and blatently stand in front of others.
that is my point you dont have an option really doesnt matter where you sit unless on the back row anyone who stands will be obstructing someones view so why isnt there an option if you want to stand, after all thay are called stands not sits, there are arguments for both sides of this no right or wrong if your guna stand and block someones view who should move the stander or the sitter
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thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
I also go to watch my team playing – however I am not that ignorant and self righteous that I would choose to stand in front of a fellow Rovers supporter.
I also used to stand at Belle Vue and given the opportunity I would probably do so again - however, there is no standing area in an 'all seater’ stadium. For you to say that football is now ‘suited’ to those who want to sit is a pretty crass comment also - there is no option pal, unless you choose to be ignoramus and blatently stand in front of others.
that is my point you dont have an option really doesnt matter where you sit unless on the back row anyone who stands will be obstructing someones view so why isnt there an option if you want to stand, after all thay are called stands not sits, there are arguments for both sides of this no right or wrong if your guna stand and block someones view who should move the stander or the sitter
Are you really that thick?
If you stand and block someone's view IT IS YOU who is causing the problem.
In which case it should be YOU WHO MOVES.
Or a more simple solution is the stewards advise you that you are breaking the law and unless you obey the laws you will be ejected.
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Wellred wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
I also go to watch my team playing – however I am not that ignorant and self righteous that I would choose to stand in front of a fellow Rovers supporter.
I also used to stand at Belle Vue and given the opportunity I would probably do so again - however, there is no standing area in an 'all seater’ stadium. For you to say that football is now ‘suited’ to those who want to sit is a pretty crass comment also - there is no option pal, unless you choose to be ignoramus and blatently stand in front of others.
that is my point you dont have an option really doesnt matter where you sit unless on the back row anyone who stands will be obstructing someones view so why isnt there an option if you want to stand, after all thay are called stands not sits, there are arguments for both sides of this no right or wrong if your guna stand and block someones view who should move the stander or the sitter
Are you really that thick?
If you stand and block someone's view IT IS YOU who is causing the problem.
In which case it should be YOU WHO MOVES.
Or a more simple solution is the stewards advise you that you are breaking the law and unless you obey the laws you will be ejected.
ok ok, last season i went to blunts game away i was about half way down the stand and me n my bro stood the hole game and nobody said a thing no moanin, then next game at keepmoat we had been stood for about 5 mins of 1st half and someone started avin ago and we ended up sitting for the remainder didnt dare stand now i just go to games when i can stand so usually have to hope for tickets on the back row being availible cos otherwise its borin for whats the difference between standing away and standing at home there is no fan rule book on how you should watch a game you should have the option to watch it how you see fit which is why a standing section should be oranised thus keeping everyone happy
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thornerover94 wrote:
Wellred wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
I also go to watch my team playing – however I am not that ignorant and self righteous that I would choose to stand in front of a fellow Rovers supporter.
I also used to stand at Belle Vue and given the opportunity I would probably do so again - however, there is no standing area in an 'all seater’ stadium. For you to say that football is now ‘suited’ to those who want to sit is a pretty crass comment also - there is no option pal, unless you choose to be ignoramus and blatently stand in front of others.
that is my point you dont have an option really doesnt matter where you sit unless on the back row anyone who stands will be obstructing someones view so why isnt there an option if you want to stand, after all thay are called stands not sits, there are arguments for both sides of this no right or wrong if your guna stand and block someones view who should move the stander or the sitter
Are you really that thick?
If you stand and block someone's view IT IS YOU who is causing the problem.
In which case it should be YOU WHO MOVES.
Or a more simple solution is the stewards advise you that you are breaking the law and unless you obey the laws you will be ejected.
ok ok, last season i went to blunts game away i was about half way down the stand and me n my bro stood the hole game and nobody said a thing no moanin, then next game at keepmoat we had been stood for about 5 mins of 1st half and someone started avin ago and we ended up sitting for the remainder didnt dare stand now i just go to games when i can stand so usually have to hope for tickets on the back row being availible cos otherwise its borin for whats the difference between standing away and standing at home there is no fan rule book on how you should watch a game you should have the option to watch it how you see fit which is why a standing section should be oranised thus keeping everyone happy
Or you could get a ticket on the back rows, plenty of people do in all areas of the ground and stand. If you can't get the very back, look where people stand and stand the row in front of them etc, it's not hard. At home games I sit 5 from the back but the fella behind can't keep jumping up and down. Why should I block his view? I do get up and down quite often, but not repeatedly as that's not fair.
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thornerover94 wrote:
Wellred wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
Metalmicky wrote:
i just go to enjoy watching my team play if i want to stand then i will stand if you want to sit you can sit i just cant get into a game if im sat, it doesnt feel right, i spent all my time at belle vue stood in the pop and that for me was better than being sat down in the keepmoat i like the fact we have a new stadium an all that but just feel that football is now suited for those who want to sit and not the ones albeit a small majority according to you who like to stand and really get into the game
I also go to watch my team playing – however I am not that ignorant and self righteous that I would choose to stand in front of a fellow Rovers supporter.
I also used to stand at Belle Vue and given the opportunity I would probably do so again - however, there is no standing area in an 'all seater’ stadium. For you to say that football is now ‘suited’ to those who want to sit is a pretty crass comment also - there is no option pal, unless you choose to be ignoramus and blatently stand in front of others.
that is my point you dont have an option really doesnt matter where you sit unless on the back row anyone who stands will be obstructing someones view so why isnt there an option if you want to stand, after all thay are called stands not sits, there are arguments for both sides of this no right or wrong if your guna stand and block someones view who should move the stander or the sitter
Are you really that thick?
If you stand and block someone's view IT IS YOU who is causing the problem.
In which case it should be YOU WHO MOVES.
Or a more simple solution is the stewards advise you that you are breaking the law and unless you obey the laws you will be ejected.
ok ok, last season i went to blunts game away i was about half way down the stand and me n my bro stood the hole game and nobody said a thing no moanin, then next game at keepmoat we had been stood for about 5 mins of 1st half and someone started avin ago and we ended up sitting for the remainder didnt dare stand now i just go to games when i can stand so usually have to hope for tickets on the back row being availible cos otherwise its borin for whats the difference between standing away and standing at home there is no fan rule book on how you should watch a game you should have the option to watch it how you see fit which is why a standing section should be oranised thus keeping everyone happy
\"There is no fan rule book on how you should watch a game\"
Are you serious.
The rules for all seater stadia are set out by authorities. It is a health and safety issue. The fact that at some stadia the rules are not strictly enforced is down to the stewards who obviously feel they cannot make everyone sit down and maybe don't want to cause a situation to develop.
They would be quite within their rights however to pick you out if you are standing and evict you from the ground.
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we could argue all day about this you are right the fact is you shouldnt stand in all seater thereofore how can you create a standing section, you cant because its breaking health and safety rules so in future everyone must remain seated at all time even when we score because jumping up and down will also be breaking the rules aswell cant wait
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It is too complicated about both issues, but how I see it is Cardiff City moved to there new ground at beginning of this season, but when we went there a few weeks back, the home fans had created a 'Standing/Singing' Section right next to the away fans. All I want to ask is if they can unoffically create such a system that works why can't we? after all we are all more freindly than the welsh surely ;)
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thats what i reckon all of this should have been sorted in the first half season we were there but everyone went not knowing where to go for singing or just to watch in relevant peace, it all ot mixed up and now its too hard to arrange we couldnt possibly sort anything this season now as it would need the club to join in and help organise it all, the best thing they could do it arrange it next season and when fans are buying tickets just inform them would u like to be in the singing/standing section of the ground
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But they can't do such things, they cant advertise and promote standing in a seating area, but say 1000 of us turn up in the west stand close to the away fans and all stand from top to bottom they cant complain...
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true not like they are going to throw us all out
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Mr Croft wrote:
But they can't do such things, they cant advertise and promote standing in a seating area, but say 1000 of us turn up in the west stand close to the away fans and all stand from top to bottom they cant complain...[/quote
It has begun young man,the standing/singing section is growing in west stand b!The day i sit down at footy is the day me legs pack in,Newcastle away i was in their end and forty odd thousand stood for ninety mins was awsome(waiting for thin white duke to say f**k off to newcastle we dont need fans like you !yawn)
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Other clubs who come to the Keepmoat stand for the full 90 minutes. Examples Forest, Wednesday, Barnsley.
Why can't our fans do the same? Because we have too many moaning f*ckwits who just want to sit watch the game and not utter a word through the whole 90 mins, hence the total lack of atmosphere from our ends. Has anyone noticed our away support is nowhere near what it was at League 2? Is there any wonder? Alot of the enjoyment has been taken away by being forced to remain seated and keep your mouth shut.
Everyone stand on Tuesday!
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thornerover94 wrote:
i have tried standing several times in keepmoat and always get someone behind me moaning and end up arguing, ive had it a couple of times in away games aswell, the way i see it i paid for my seat if i dont want to sit in it thats up to me now i always try and get near the back of stands on away games even if im not supposed to be there just so i can stand, i do believe there was a vote went round at belle vue for non standing section which never came into effect when we moved to keepmoat, anyone know why this was??
yes you paid for a seat not a standing space,i prefer 2 stand aswell but would never ruin someone elses enjoyment just 2 stand up,i hope your the same?
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If more people did stand at away games though it would spread no doubt there. It was pretty spot on at the end against Derby and anyone remember Southend away, our support that night was awesome with all of us stood.
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How have the clubs I have mentioned above adopted the approach of none of them being seated at away games then? Because their fans don't moan about wanting to be sat down and want to create an atmosphere. Wish the same could be said about our lot.
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so true lets have all those who are able to stand at the game on tuesday, it will be the best away day alot have had for a long time, from back row down of course so we dont upset anybody
its not like you have to sit where it says on your ticket just move around bit
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What would help (in future and IMO) was if the ticket office staff got information as too which tickets was for the top of stadium and which was for bottom. If we want to stand and sing at away games we can go in and ask for tickets at the back if people want to sit they can ask for tickets at the bottom. I'd love for us all to be stood but I can't see it happening.
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yes that would make it alot easier for fans to decide which we best for them, save alot of arguing aswell, hope we can work it out 2mrw and make sure all have a good night watchin football whether standing or sitting
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thornerover94 wrote:
so true lets have all those who are able to stand at the game on tuesday, it will be the best away day alot have had for a long time, from back row down of course so we dont upset anybody
its not like you have to sit where it says on your ticket just move around bit
this is getting ridiculous. You do have to sit where your ticket is, thats why they give you a seat number. If all those who want to stand can move to empty seats then fair enough, but if people try to stand for 90 mins where me and my old man are sitting tommorrow night, Ill be telling them to sit down, as he has a dodgy ankle and it's painful for him to stand for prolonged periods. Does that sound out of order?
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bobjimwilly wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
so true lets have all those who are able to stand at the game on tuesday, it will be the best away day alot have had for a long time, from back row down of course so we dont upset anybody
its not like you have to sit where it says on your ticket just move around bit
this is getting ridiculous. You do have to sit where your ticket is, thats why they give you a seat number. If all those who want to stand can move to empty seats then fair enough, but if people try to stand for 90 mins where me and my old man are sitting tommorrow night, Ill be telling them to sit down, as he has a dodgy ankle and it's painful for him to stand for prolonged periods. Does that sound out of order?
No it doesn't, but as I have asked before, how do supporters of teams that stand for the full ninety minutes go on if they have problems standing? Do they not go to away games?
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bobjimwilly wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
so true lets have all those who are able to stand at the game on tuesday, it will be the best away day alot have had for a long time, from back row down of course so we dont upset anybody
its not like you have to sit where it says on your ticket just move around bit
this is getting ridiculous. You do have to sit where your ticket is, thats why they give you a seat number. If all those who want to stand can move to empty seats then fair enough, but if people try to stand for 90 mins where me and my old man are sitting tommorrow night, Ill be telling them to sit down, as he has a dodgy ankle and it's painful for him to stand for prolonged periods. Does that sound out of order?
that doesnt sound out of order at all but if you are sat on the back and you see an empty seat further down are you goin to move or moan at the person in front of you it makes sense everyone be where it says on the ticket but if for those who cant stand up or are unwilling wouldnt it make sense only if near the back of course to move to an empty seat further down, as someone pointed out in ththread earlier it would make sense for the club find to find out which seats are which from front to back to make it easier for people to purchase where they want to be and no have the inconvience of there view being blocked for majority of the game
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if there are empty seats a few rows down in front of the standing fans then fair enough, but if it's not possible for us to move, it leaves us no option.
I for one agree there should be standing sections as I love the atmospheres that are generated from those supporters, but I also think the same supporters should be considerate to fans who don't/can't stand for a full-game, that's all B)
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bobjimwilly wrote:
if there are empty seats a few rows down in front of the standing fans then fair enough, but if it's not possible for us to move, it leaves us no option.
I for one agree there should be standing sections as I love the atmospheres that are generated from those supporters, but I also think the same supporters should be considerate to fans who don't/can't stand for a full-game, that's all B)
yeah theres no problem with that its not like everyone is going to be stood up cos obviously some people arent able if im obstructing someones view and im asked nicely just to sit no probs or if there are seats where i could stand i would move no problem at the keepmoat the majority of the stand is sat down bar the few who are at the back near the drummer thats what akes a standing/singing section somewhere in the ground a must so all supporters are happy at the end of the day thats what everyone wants we dont be battling with our own fans do we, we are all there to support the same team whether it be stood or sat
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as long as that drummer does not come no were near the WSBBA then all will be good.
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arsenal of the north as if wrote:
as long as that drummer does not come no were near the WSBBA then all will be good.
Good call; leave the drum sticks at home! We all stand on the back two rows, I have no idea how people can sit at a football match.
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i tend to stand and sit .. but i have never stood up unless im stood at the back.. i would find it very rude to do so.. its like someone talking on phone at movies it wud piss you off a lot.. and exspecially with keepmoat prices..! u pay £23 u wanna see the f**king game..!! haha
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bobjimwilly wrote:
thornerover94 wrote:
so true lets have all those who are able to stand at the game on tuesday, it will be the best away day alot have had for a long time, from back row down of course so we dont upset anybody
its not like you have to sit where it says on your ticket just move around bit
this is getting ridiculous. You do have to sit where your ticket is, thats why they give you a seat number. If all those who want to stand can move to empty seats then fair enough, but if people try to stand for 90 mins where me and my old man are sitting tommorrow night, Ill be telling them to sit down, as he has a dodgy ankle and it's painful for him to stand for prolonged periods. Does that sound out of order?
Whether im stood up in front of you or not, I doubt you will see much of a game with those darn posts at hillsborough.
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The only way to sort it is by having delegated standing sections and the club has to be in on this (to facilitate ST holders who want to sit moving to a suitable alternative section) or some people will rightly get pissed off. The problem is the club can't due to health and safety (correct me if I'm wrong) UNLESS its cloaked as a singing section. However, there will still be people who want to sing and sit down who don't get that it'll be a standing section - so that doesn't work.
So, what to do? The only option I see is using a corner near the north stand, or exploring the possibility with the club of having a small section without seats. Maybe the corners option to start with and seatless sections later.
There is a problem with atmosphere at the KM, and I'm sure JR would want it to improve. Discussions with the man are needed. Who has his ear and can get that to happen?