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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: washyrover on February 27, 2010, 12:12:38 pm
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Week on week the crowds are about the same apart from big games,their are not many turn up on the day fans so we need to increase season ticket holders.The plan could be to reduce cat b to cat c as how do you get new season ticket holders when all the cheaper tickets have gone and interest free for season tickets.
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There is no Cat C any more as understand it.
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there is no cat c due to it being sold out to season ticket holders
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MrFrost wrote:
There is no Cat C any more as understand it.
Cat C season tickets will remain, its only the match day prices that have gone up to Cat A.
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I find it very strange we aren't selling season tickets for next year already. Alot of other clubs are doing it.
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We need more cat c seats so we can gain more season ticket holders simple as that.
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On sale from tommorow.
Information 2010/11
Ticket Office Opening Hours for Season Ticket purchases is as follows:
Mondays 9.00-4.30
Tuesdays 9.00-4.30
Wednesdays 9.00-4.30
Thursdays 9.00-7.00
Fridays 9.00-4.00
Saturdays 10.00-1.00 (non Match Days)
Saturdays 9.00 - 12.00 (Match Days)
Sundays Closed
2010/11 Season Tickets are available from Monday 1st March 2010, current season ticket holders seats will be reserved until 31st May 2010 (however please be aware of the price increases).
Prices are as follows; SALES:
Early Bird Adult
£ Conc.
£ 17-20’s
£ 12-16’s
£ U11’s
£
Category A 440.00 320.00 200.00 95.00 50.00
Category B 380.00 265.00 150.00 95.00 50.00
Category C* 320.00 200.00 150.00 95.00 50.00
*Category C is only available to renewals of seats currently in the South East and South West corners
From
1st April 2010
Adult
£ Conc.
£ 17-20’s
£ 12-16’s
£ U11’s
£
Category A 460.00 335.00 210.00 95.00 50.00
Category B 400.00 280.00 160.00 95.00 50.00
Category C 400.00 280.00 160.00 95.00 50.00
From 1st June 2010 Adult
£ Conc.
£ 17-20’s
£ 12-16’s
£ U11’s
£
Category A 480.00 350.00 220.00 95.00 50.00
Category B 420.00 295.00 170.00 95.00 50.00
Category C 420.00 295.00 170.00 95.00 50.00
Disabled Supporters in wheelchairs choosing to sit in the West/East stands will pay the concession rate for the area concerned (Cat A or Cat B).
The wheelchair supporters wishing to sit in the South stand will pay the concession rate for Cat C.
Ambulant supporters will pay the concession rate for the area and category chosen.
Concessions include seniors over 60, and disabled (proof of higher rate disability MUST be given upon purchase of a season ticket).
Season Ticket Holders can also purchase into the following Schemes:
Join Cup Direct – Exclusive to Season Ticket Holders Only.
Pay a registration fee of £10 and automatically have your tickets sent to you for all home cup games during the 2010/11 season.
See Application Form for further details.
Away Rover – Exclusive to Season Ticket Holders Only.
Join the Away Rover scheme for £50, and have your tickets reserved for all away league games during the 2010/11 season.
See Application Form for further details.
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Guarantee your parking space by purchasing a pass for the 2010/11 season for all home league games for £99. Spaces will be reserved for supporters that had purchased the passes for 2009/10 until 31st May 2010.
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Dear me. Just how many do we think we will sell at those prices.
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Looking at those prices my £360 Cat B ST becomes £380, and my 13 year olds £60 becomes £95, if we buy before 1st April. Thats a £55 increase for us two. Quite an increase.
Thanks but no thanks.
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I was struggling to justify a season ticket next year with prices as they are now. Looking at that I really am going to have to think long and hard as to whether I can afford it. There is no way (and I assume I speak for a lot of people here) I can afford to fork out that kind of money this month in order to get it at the lower price.
Looking at this I can only assume the match day price next season will be increasing by quite a lot as well? As I work shifts I generally miss 3-4 games a season anyway, looks like I may have to pick and choose my games next season.
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Absolute joke. The release the prices a day beofre they go on sale with significant price increases. If you don't buy BEFORE April you have to pay even more.
Like someone has said, thanks but no thanks. I can't afford it, simple as. And after speaking to another season ticket holder on the phone while reading this, there are several others who wont be renewing.
Well done DRFC.
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Looking at that, the thing that sticks out is that category C only exists until March 31st. And even then only to existing cat C holders. For those who can't afford to renew this month the increase is huge! I say this as a cat B holder myself, so this doesn't affect me.
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And even then for cat C there is an initial increase of £70. If you renew after June, its getting for double the cost it was this season!
Who the hell thought this up??
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Serious consideration whether to renew at those increases, looks like a further 2 less season ticket holders next year.
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In a time of financial hardship, you would expect a decrease or some kind of offer to entice more supporters. Not this joke of a scheme sprung on supporters the day before they go on sale, giving them a month to renew at prices which are already significantly higher than the previous season.
Did the muppets who actually thought this up think about the fans at all? Or is it a case of the board won't be plugging the gap any more so ticket prices have to increase?
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What a complete utter joke - the club treat us like shite, how can they justify those kind of increases? How can they give fans just 31 days to get the money together before they hike the prices up.
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I simply cant justify/afford spending that a large chunk of my disposable salary on an ST.
I cant see many being sold to be honest. Crowds dwindle further. :huh:
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The prices are already hiked up, even if you can get the money together in March.
Final straw for me i'm afraid. I can't afford it. I'll have to pick and choose the games I want to attend next season. I hope the board don't go crying when the average is only 8000 next year.
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Maths not my strongpoint but...
Cat a early adult: Up 4.5%
Cat b early adult: Up 5.5%
Cat c early adult: Up 14%
12-16 early: Up 58%
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Abour right. And whats the increase if you don't renew in March.
I'm sure inflation hasn't increased that much...........
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MrFrost wrote:
Abour right. And whats the increase if you don't renew in March.
I'll work it out and post.
MrFrost wrote:
I'm sure inflation hasn't increased that much...........
Around the 3% mark at the moment.
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I'm guessing that they will use the argument that we haven't had price rises since we have been in the CCC, which is fair enough, but the fecking economy is on its knees, now is not the right time to be increasing them. Crowds are down this season, they will be even worse next season - what happens if the unthinkable happens and we get relegated? To get mine at a reasonable price now, I will have to buy before end of March - am I going to be paying a stupid amount for L1 football?
Whoever thought up this pricing structure, and whoever thought that giving fans so little notice is reasonable, wants a fecking rocket up their arse, its disgusting.
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2 spare seats will be available in the South West corner Cat B section.
I won't be renewing either mine or my lads (he's 19) season tickets.
We've always bought one and miss the begining and the end of the season as we both play cricket.
I'll buy a ticket and attend as when I want to.
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Emailed the club and let know how it will affect my decision about renewing
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Redandwhitewhizards wrote:
I'm guessing that they will use the argument that we haven't had price rises since we have been in the CCC, which is fair enough, but the fecking economy is on its knees, now is not the right time to be increasing them. Crowds are down this season, they will be even worse next season - what happens if the unthinkable happens and we get relegated? To get mine at a reasonable price now, I will have to buy before end of March - am I going to be paying a stupid amount for L1 football?
Whoever thought up this pricing structure, and whoever thought that giving fans so little notice is reasonable, wants a fecking rocket up their arse, its disgusting.
Here here. But its the same old story with the muppets behind the scenes at DRFC. They will never learn. And i'm not having a dig at JR here before anyone kicks off.
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
12-16 early: Up 58%
What a fantastic way to encourage young suppporters to come along and watch us play............. NOT!!!
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Early renewal:
cat a adult: Up 4.5%
cat b adult: Up 5.5%
cat c adult: Up 14%
12-16: Up 58%
After June 1st
cat a adult: Up 14%
cat b adult: Up 16%
cat c adult: Up 50%
12-16: Up 58%
*note: I have a nasty hangover and I'm useless at maths
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I think the club have scored a massive own goal here. Someone said they'd be lucky to sell 5000. I'd go further and it will be a lot less than that. People simply cannot afford it. I've had to take a £500 a year hit in my wages to keep my job. And the saving in my families budget will come from me not buying a season ticket, and the savings in fuel, ale and food whilst going to games. I will pick and choose mine also. As will many, many more. People will inevitably vote with their feet.
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Look forward to a great summer guys.
Season ticket sales down 70% in my opinion. Kiss goodbye to the glimmer of hope we had of signing the likes of Sharp or Shackell. Say goodbye to Stock, Woods et al.
A suicide decision from DRFC in my opinion and one that will backfire.
Why not decrease the tickets by the same margins and get more bums on seats? Surely a better option?
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I had my letter from work on Saturday informing me that my salary will increase by 1% in line with inflation. As much as I love attending the games I'll have to pick and choose which ones I watch next season.
Unfortunately I think the Club have made a big mistake............
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cut out the extra beer/cigs and if it means that much to you, then you will afford it !
As always the club has my full support on this, might make the little shits that spend time doing anything but watching football think twice and get real fans there.
For the record I have two kids before you start with your comments!
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My kids are 14 and 10 and dont attend all matches (the oldest my son misses 5-6 games at home and the youngest my daughter comes to about half). The last 2 seasons ive spent £90 per year on ST's for them both as they we good value even thogh they don't come to every match and on top of that meant that they could get priority tickets to come to the odd away match with me.
Sad to say i won't be spending £145 this season, no way can the club justify the crazy hike in prices of almost 60% for young supporters. Bye bye to a lot of future support DRFC because i bet a lot of other parents won't be buying junior st's for next season either.
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What about a protest? Next home game straight after kick off those who will not renew due to the price rises stand up and walk out. It might just give John Ryan and the board some idea of the season ticket sales they are set to lose and might force some sort of rethink.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
cut out the extra beer/cigs and if it means that much to you, then you will afford it !
As always the club has my full support on this, might make the little shits that spend time doing anything but watching football think twice and get real fans there.
For the record I have two kids before you start with your comments!
At least they'll be able to hear you moan at all the inferior players we will be taking on Free Transfers.
For the record - I don't smoke and rarely drink. I have other things to spend my money on and will be.
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All relative, if it means alot to you you ill be there come what may!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
cut out the extra beer/cigs and if it means that much to you, then you will afford it !
As always the club has my full support on this, might make the little shits that spend time doing anything but watching football think twice and get real fans there.
For the record I have two kids before you start with your comments!
Sorry mate, but thats crap. Justify a 50% increase for those in category C would you?
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
cut out the extra beer/cigs and if it means that much to you, then you will afford it !
As always the club has my full support on this, might make the little shits that spend time doing anything but watching football think twice and get real fans there.
For the record I have two kids before you start with your comments!
Fcuking d1ckhead, i neither drink or smoke but i'm disabled and can't afford a 58% increase in st prices for my kids. Maybe you should engage your pea sized brain before typing b0llocks again you thick arrogant cnut.
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Maybe the board should let us know how many millions were gonna spend close season :angry:
Norfolk shut up you f**king tool
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
All relative, if it means alot to you you ill be there come what may!
You've got it in one..... it doesn't mean that much to me. It's only a game.
My family comes first.....
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
All relative, if it means alot to you you ill be there come what may!
You've got it in one..... it doesn't mean that much to me. It's only a game.
My family comes first.....
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Here here Rev.
I'' get my tickets for the most attractive games, or ones that I feel I can afford that week.
I can't scrape the money together this month before the prices increase i'm afraid, and I definitely won't be held to ransom which is what the club are doing.
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well said rev
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Can't say I'm surprised. All we've had is fans moaning that the signings aren't big enough and the funding isn't right, the board have got sick of it and thought \"right you want signings? Then pay for it\".
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Every football fan has a price in the back of their heads that is acceptable. The price obviously differs from fan to fan, circumstance to circumstance. Ive been to 2 games this year. 1 home , 1 away because in my eyes £20 is too much for 90 minutes of football. It looks as though the price increase has taken a few more over the edge. For the record £15 is too much in my opinion and footballers get paid way toooo much
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No good moaning about it....just get on with it and if you cant afford it so what....get another job !
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Bullshit mate.
You think this will bring signings in?
How about the £3.2 million we supposidly recouped last summer? Why hasn't that beeen spent on signings?
The board have f@cked themselves big time here. I just hope they are man enough to admit it when it goes tits up.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
No good moaning about it....just get on with it and if you cant afford it so what....get another job !
Some brilliant words of wisdom there you tool. Its that easy to get a job is it?
I'm glad money comes as no object to you and you cann afford £400+ at the blink of an eye. Fair play to you.
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MrFrost wrote:
Bullshit mate.
You think this will bring signings in?
How about the £3.2 million we supposidly recouped last summer? Why hasn't that beeen spent on signings?
The board have f@cked themselves big time here. I just hope they are man enough to admit it when it goes tits up.
If you can find them (I can't but I have seen them) have a look at the accounts of DRFC and you'll realise why it hasn't been spent. Without increased income this club will eventually face financial trouble.
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Thought you throw your season ticket away after the Barnsley game anyway Frosty !?! just like a baby who can't have its last bottle at night!
Sure the board don't like losing 3 million every year either but thats life!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Thought you throw your season ticket away after the Barnsley game anyway Frosty !?! just like a baby who can't have its last bottle at night!
Sure the board don't like losing 3 million every year either but thats life!
Your pathetic pal. I made one comment in frustration and its taken out of context.
I wonder what the people on here feel about you telling them to get another job because they can't afford a season ticket. I hope you find yourself jobless one day.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
No good moaning about it....just get on with it and if you cant afford it so what....get another job !
And you are showing us all that you're the biggest pr1ck on these boards by making comments like that when you have no idea of peoples circumstances. Please change your name to \"Norfolk N Idea\" because it suits you more.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
No good moaning about it....just get on with it and if you cant afford it so what....get another job !
You're a top lad ain't you? What a hero you are. I'll look to you for some superb words of wisdom.
Could you do the interview for me if I ever decide to leave the company I work for now?
I'll love to see your headstone when you've departed. It's bound to have some wonderful words of wisdom chiseled on it.
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Pathetic am I cos i don't moan about my life every second !
I live within my means don't buy fancy cars or luxury holidays but dont moan about it and in return I work damn hard for living commuting many miles......
Sorry but these prices are realistic where before were not hence losing three million every year.
£50 for a kids is still amazing value and for the record I have never been unemployed and would do any job going to support my family!
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I've had a season ticket for more than 15 years but I got made redundant last Friday and my son, who I sit with, is saving up to get married. Sadly, looks like another two season ticket holders who won't be renewing under those terms.
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Norfolk your aw**ker if i new who you were id tell you to your face you first class prick
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Pathetic am I cos i don't moan about my life every second !
I live within my means don't buy fancy cars or luxury holidays but dont moan about it and in return I work damn hard for living commuting many miles......
Sorry but these prices are realistic where before were not hence losing three million every year.
£50 for a kids is still amazing value and for the record I have never been unemployed and would do any job going to support my family!
So please explain your point in telling people to get a better job, and who you think you are to tell people to do this?
I have a good job, a nice house, an average car and a family which I support. However, why should I have to pay a significant increase, way above inflation to watch my team, when realistically that money could be better spent? In reality, yes I can afford the increase. But its the principle. There are probably countless people who can't afford it, and thats what stinks. It should be affordable for everyone.
The club hasn't considered the fans in this at all. Thats whats got my back up. 50% increase for people in Cat C. Well out of order.
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As a Cat C ST holder I'm most displeased with that. How can they possibly justify this 'increases in stages' crap, and how is it fair that if I don't find 200 quid by April I have to find another 80 on top of that?
Maybe they'll realise when we sell about 2000 season tickets :huh:
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Pathetic am I cos i don't moan about my life every second !
I live within my means don't buy fancy cars or luxury holidays but dont moan about it and in return I work damn hard for living commuting many miles......
Sorry but these prices are realistic where before were not hence losing three million every year.
£50 for a kids is still amazing value and for the record I have never been unemployed and would do any job going to support my family!
Fcuking hooray for you moron. Until i became disabled 4 years ago i had never been out of work for 20 years since leaving school and still do all i can now to make sure my family are supported. I don't have a flash car or house. It's not the money it's the pricipal, a 58% increase in kids st's is unnacptable.
Who the fcuk do you think you are telling people what to do in order to buy st's? you're a prick sunshine thats what you are.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Pathetic am I cos i don't moan about my life every second !
I live within my means don't buy fancy cars or luxury holidays but dont moan about it and in return I work damn hard for living commuting many miles......
Sorry but these prices are realistic where before were not hence losing three million every year.
£50 for a kids is still amazing value and for the record I have never been unemployed and would do any job going to support my family!
Yes you do come across as pathetic with your belittling comments.
I also travel the length and breath of this country with my work. I also travel Europe when I have to. It's in my contract of employment. If I didn't like it I'd leave. I don't bitch about because I enjoy it.
Maybe if you read what you had put you'd realise that either: -
a) you're a wind up merchant or
b) you're a first class kn0b
I'll leave it to you..... thanks for your thoughts B)
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You lot can call me all the names under the sun and dont get me wrong it will hurt me this month but that's life.
Suggest you all put a budget in place and save so much a month, not rocket science f**king grow up and grow a pair!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
You lot can call me all the names under the sun and dont get me wrong it will hurt me this month but that's life.
Suggest you all put a budget in place and save so much a month, not rocket science fcuking grow up and grow a pair!
It will hurt you this month? But if you took your own advice and had a budget in place each month and saved, then surely it shouldn't do?!
Jesus, I wish I had such a care free, blinkered view of the world. It would make things so much easier.
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Well I have thats why I will be attending next season no matter what league we are in Frosty!
Perhaps get a ST at Barnsley see if there prices are cheaper?
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So why will it hurt you this month.
Barnsley are cheaper. The Mrs is an avid fan.
Your a tool pal. Your comments on this thread have proved that.
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The fact is, judging by the reaction on this forum alone, we will be lucky to get 2000-3000 season tickets sold next year and at that rate we might as well say goodbye to Championship football (if we do stay up this year) because next year will be the last because if the season ticket sales are so low then I think the Keepmoat 2 will definitely pull out and I think it could be the final straw for JR! On top of that the atmosphere in the ground in the last few home games has been atrocious as it is but with 4000-5000 less season ticket holders that will only get worse, leading to worse performances by our players!!
Well done DRFC you have just kissed goodbye to Championship football and a whole lot of fans!! Just when it looked like we were a club going places!! :angry: :angry:
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yes, cos we all have have spare 400/500 don't we but putting a little bit away each money has made it easier.
Like I say Frosty you wanted to give away your season ticket anyway after the Barnsley game so the club dosent need you anyway!
For every frosty that dosent then there will be a Norfolk that does especially if we keep in this league with the likes of Leeds and Hull to play next season.
Do you know the supply and demand principal?
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Norfolk N Chance - AKA Martin Hall has taken the bitching to his Facebook page by calling everyone on here glory fans.
Bravo sir, bravo.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
yes, cos we all have have spare 400/500 don't we but putting a little bit away each money has made it easier.
Like I say Frosty you wanted to give away your season ticket anyway after the Barnsley game so the club dosent need you anyway!
For every frosty that dosent then there will be a Norfolk that does especially if we keep in this league with the likes of Leeds and Hull to play next season.
Do you know the supply and demand principal?
Nope your right. The club doesn't need me. I was one of the 739 there the night we played Barnet the year we got relegated, so don't preach to me.
I made one throwaway comment, that only you have picked up on. What you have said on here this evening is far worse.
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God im scared .....All I am doing is supporting the club and board and have different opinion than you and as I say I was not the one who wanted to give my ST away just cos we lost a game!
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I'm in the fortunate position where I can afford a season ticket. However I won't be renewing mine. Generally I miss 3 or 4 home games through work or other bits and bobs but take the loss on the chin, to be part of the club (as it were). Had prices stayed the same I would probably have continued but to pay out more when I'm already losing out is something I really can't justify. I joined the Rovers Alliance so get similar benefits from that.
Losing £3million a year we obviously need to increase revenue but I'm not convinced this is going to work......
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Martin seen you deleted your messages lol,also see your in your late 30's f**kING act like it and grow up moron
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
God im scared .....All I am doing is supporting the club and board and have different opinion than you and as I say I was not the one who wanted to give my ST away just cos we lost a game!
So, please justify your comments where you have told people who can't afford a season ticket to get a better job.......
Yes I hold my hands up, after the Barnsley game I was frustrated and said i'd give my season ticket away. It was a silly comment born our of frustration and from the hassle I was getting from my other half who is a massive Dingles fan.
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5minstogo wrote:
I'm in the fortunate position where I can afford a season ticket. However I won't be renewing mine. Generally I miss 3 or 4 home games through work or other bits and bobs but take the loss on the chin, to be part of the club (as it were). Had prices stayed the same I would probably have continued but to pay out more when I'm already losing out is something I really can't justify. I joined the Rovers Alliance so get similar benefits from that.
Losing £3million a year we obviously need to increase revenue but I'm not convinced this is going to work......
Im in the same posistion,miss about 4 or 5 home games a season,if the price's froze would have probably renewed but have doubts now
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Harsh reality of life is it not?
Like I say you can call me all the names under the sun cyber warriors, certainly not being bullied by you lot!
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Is marketing not all about supply and demand?
If we average 10500 gates (sorry don't know exact figures) in a 14500 seater stadium at current prices, then which bright spark thinks increasing prices will increase demand?
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Harsh reality of life is it not?
Like I say you can call me all the names under the sun cyber warriors, certainly not being bullied by you lot!
A shame you can't justify your comments mocking your fellow supporters who can't afford a season ticket by telling them to get a better job.
I think you'd fit in better on WACCOE.
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Norfolk your views are not only narrow minded but vulgar in the current climate. Bully for you that you can afford next seasons ticket and it must leave you with a warm glow to be able to belittle your fellow fans for not having the means to do so or to have the well paid salary that you so justly deserve. I'm sure you drink your horlicks and sleep soundly every evening even though your comments show you to be a complete and utter tit.
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I suspect an awful lot of folk tonight are missing the point. Just who do you expect to fund DRFC?
If it's the Board, on what grounds do you think they should be spending their own money for your perosnal enjoyment?
If it's the income raised by the club, the debate is then entirely about the most cost effective use of price elasticity.
All I've seen on this thread is folk moaning anout their own selfish position and one person trying to put across a different point of view and winding up a lot of folk.
Donny Rovers are clearly a third division club at best. The level of support says that. History says that. We'eve had an awful lot of fun at someone else's expense this last few years. That is unsustainable, completely, in the medium term. so what alternatives can you all oferr for rasing the cash needed to compete effectively in the second division? That's what this thread should be about.
BobG
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BobG wrote:
I suspect an awful lot of folk tonight are missing the point. Just who do you expect to fund DRFC?
If it's the Board, on what grounds do you think they should be spending their own money for your perosnal enjoyment?
If it's the income raised by the club, the debate is then entirely about the most cost effective use of price elasticity.
All I've seen on this thread is folk moaning anout their own selfish position and one person trying to put across a different point of view and winding up a lot of folk.
Donny Rovers are clearly a third division club at best. The level of support says that. History says that. We'eve had an awful lot of fun at someone else's expense this last few years. That is unsustainable, completely, in the medium term. so what alternatives can you all oferr for rasing the cash needed to compete effectively in the second division? That's what this thread should be about.
BobG
Before I spend a hefty chunk of my monthly salary on a new season ticket, I would like the board to answer a few questions for me. Namely the following:
1. Where has the £3.2 million gone that we recouped for Mills and Wellens?
2. What are our aspirations for the future?
3. Why do we plough countless thousands into a youth system that has generated 1 or maybe 2 players over the last 10 years?
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Totally agree Bob
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I'm sorry Mr Frost, but if you don't know the answr to 1) by now, you must be blind. 2) I agee with. 3) is a reasonable question too but the answer is always going to be an emotional one. It's an obvious answer: to find and develop good young players. So the question ought to be 'Why have we only found 2 or 3'? But even then, there's an easy answer: sean has only been here 3 years. You don't find, develop, play and sell young kids in that short space of time. That's a 10 year programme at the very least - unless you are staggeringly lucky.
I agree we've found not much so far. But if we ditch it now, the chance is gone for ever. if we stick with it, we have a chance of flogging sosmebody good one day.
Cheers
BobG
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You still haven't answered my question Norfolk.
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what
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Fair comments Bob but the way he has put his views across is out of order. As to who funds our time in the CCC then all of us, the increases, how do these compare to other Clubs that is the defining factor.
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BobG wrote:
I'm sorry Mr Frost, but if you don't know the answr to 1) by now, you must be blind. 2) I agee with. 3) is a reasonable question too but the answer is always going to be an emotional one. It's an obvious answer: to find and develop good young players. So the question ought to be 'Why have we only found 2 or 3'? But even then, there's an easy answer: sean has only been here 3 years. You don't find, develop, play and sell young kids in that short space of time. That's a 10 year programme at the very least - unless you are staggeringly lucky.
I agree we've found not much so far. But if we ditch it now, the chance is gone for ever. if we stick with it, we have a chance of flogging sosmebody good one day.
Cheers
BobG
Bob, before the season started, JR went on record in one of the local rags and stated any money recouped would be given to SOD to re-invest.
We have spent nothing on transfer fee's, signed several free signings and a shed load of players on loan. Not anywhere near 3.2 million though.
If the money has gone towards the shortfall that we undoubtedly have, then why didn't he say this at the time?
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
what
Why you feel it necessary to mock your fellow supporters who can't afford a season ticket by telling them to get a better job.
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MrFrost wrote:
Before I spend a hefty chunk of my monthly salary on a new season ticket, I would like the board to answer a few questions for me. Namely the following:
1. Where has the £3.2 million gone that we recouped for Mills and Wellens?
Why focus on that? The board and JR in particular have pumped more than that into the club.
MrFrost wrote:
2. What are our aspirations for the future?
This has been outlined a million times. To be a self financing Championship club.
MrFrost wrote:
3. Why do we plough countless thousands into a youth system that has generated 1 or maybe 2 players over the last 10 years?
If we develop a good youth system it will hopefully produce players without silly transfer fees and wages. Maybe make a bob or too in sales. Strengthen the squad for little money. Even if we only get one Waide Fairhurst every 5 years it makes sense.
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
Before I spend a hefty chunk of my monthly salary on a new season ticket, I would like the board to answer a few questions for me. Namely the following:
1. Where has the £3.2 million gone that we recouped for Mills and Wellens?
Why focus on that? The board and JR in particular have pumped more than that into the club.
MrFrost wrote:
2. What are our aspirations for the future?
This has been outlined a million times. To be a self financing Championship club.
MrFrost wrote:
3. Why do we plough countless thousands into a youth system that has generated 1 or maybe 2 players over the last 10 years?
If we develop a good youth system it will hopefully produce players without silly transfer fees and wages. Maybe make a bob or too in sales. Strengthen the squad for little money. Even if we only get one Waide Fairhurst every 5 years it makes sense.
Since the youth set up started, which I believe was in our early Confernece years, it has procuded one player in my opinion. Paul Green. He left on a free.
Fairhurst has been on the fringes, but who knows whether he will feature any more than what he has.
Now, I wonder how much has been invested over the years in our youth set up. Could this money have been better spent? Could it be better spent going forward?
Im speculating, that is all.
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My only complaint is the short time frame for early bird buys, in past seasons we have had until the end of May which if still kept would have led to less complaints.
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I do understand the hardships of people and like I say i will find it hard myself but by saving each month I will get by.
I apologise for my comment as I know times are hard but does not give you the excuse to put my name all over the internet just cos someone does not agree with you.
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I just don't think its fair we only get 1 month to save up for the \"early bird\" price?
I get paid on the 15th, so I have only 1 pay cheque to pay for the new ticket? Otherwise I have to suffer £120 price increase on last year's Cat C ticket price? And before the bright sparks say it, its not always easy for some folk to get an interest free credit card, or dip into savings they don't have.
I think the first thing the SMC/Rovers can do is extend the early bird offer, give at least a couple of pay days notice for us to get the cheaper ticket :unsure:
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DearneValleyRover wrote:
My only complaint is the short time frame for early bird buys, in past seasons we have had until the end of May which if still kept would have led to less complaints.
Just read your post DVR, sorry I repeated it :P
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bobjimwilly wrote:
I just don't think its fair we only get 1 month to save up for the \"early bird\" price?
I get paid on the 15th, so I have only 1 pay cheque to pay for the new ticket? Otherwise I have to suffer £120 price increase on last year's Cat C ticket price? And before the bright sparks say it, its not always easy for some folk to get an interest free credit card, or dip into savings they don't have.
I think the first thing the SMC/Rovers can do is extend the early bird offer, give at least a couple of pay days notice for us to get the cheaper ticket :unsure:
Thats what i would be happy with Rob if they give you a couple of month to get the early bird offer
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bobjimwilly wrote:
I just don't think its fair we only get 1 month to save up for the \"early bird\" price?
I get paid on the 15th, so I have only 1 pay cheque to pay for the new ticket? Otherwise I have to suffer £120 price increase on last year's Cat C ticket price? And before the bright sparks say it, its not always easy for some folk to get an interest free credit card, or dip into savings they don't have.
I think the first thing the SMC/Rovers can do is extend the early bird offer, give at least a couple of pay days notice for us to get the cheaper ticket :unsure:
The club should have given current st holders until the end of May to get their st's at the cheaper prices, that way at least people get 3 months to try and get their monry together. Giving us a month is a joke and sorry JR you say you want bums on seats but it will make the club far worse off because people aren't going to renew.
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I dont really have a problem with the early bird price. I am sure it will still be reasonable compared to the other clubs in our league.
What I do have a problem with is been given 1 months notice to get £380 together! What a f**king piss take that is. Agree with Skellow Rover, this early bird offer should be extended immediatly.
I really think this could f**k us up, I can see season ticket holders down to 4k and assuming match day prices will be going up too there is going to be a lot of empty seats, every game.
We should have been going the other way, cheaper season tickets maybe £250ish? We should have been trying to fill the bloody place.
4k season tickets @ £380 = £1520000
8k season tickets @ £250 = £2000000
I know its not that simple but surely people in the ground is better than empty seats.
We better enjoy Billy Sharp while we can, because I doubt he will be coming in the summer!
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I'm kind of with Norfolk, for CATB (most of the stadium to be fair), there's a £30 increase. Let's not forget season tickets did increase last season, by the amount the VAT went down. Now the VAT is added back on and another increase (inflation is what 3.5% at the moment and will boom).
Crowds are down around 1500 with no increase in price, that has to be recouped somehow, not to mention we can't fund the club through player sales this time. The club has to raise more money, I'm happy to pay an extra 30 quid (in my case it's actually an extra £130) but I budgeted for that and saved. I wasn't quite expecting it this early though and that's my main gripe, I'm still quite a bit short as I was expecting another 3 months before it needed paying. That early bird farce needs sorting.
Furthermore, Bradford at 150-250 a ticket expect to see a decrease of 2000 tickets this time round and Northampton charged £380 for league 2 football ths season. At Rotherham it was £342 for an adult. Are we really that poor value? I don't think we are.
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washyrover wrote:
Week on week the crowds are about the same apart from big games,their are not many turn up on the day fans so we need to increase season ticket holders.The plan could be to reduce cat b to cat c as how do you get new season ticket holders when all the cheaper tickets have gone and interest free for season tickets.
It would better for J/R to start thinking about owning our own stadium,with 20k+ capacity there would be more scope to offer reduced priced tickets , but with only 15k it is impossible to make ends meet , if the tickets go up then it's a some you win some you loose situation so , either way J/R and Co will have to dip there hands into there pockets for the umpteenth time for the love of the club. Billy will be here next year if the sums add up and we come to terms with the facts that Rovers need our money, I can not see myself buying before the season starts, so i will just have to start saving now , For as much i want us to be successful, i think there is not enough support for the hard up amongst us, why not have quarterly season ticket at a larger starting price Cat B £120 per quarter (£480)limited number or £380 for those who can afford pay up front .
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
I'm kind of with Norfolk, for CATB (most of the stadium to be fair), there's a £30 increase. Let's not forget season tickets did increase last season, by the amount the VAT went down. Now the VAT is added back on and another increase (inflation is what 3.5% at the moment and will boom).
Crowds are down around 1500 with no increase in price, that has to be recouped somehow, not to mention we can't fund the club through player sales this time. The club has to raise more money, I'm happy to pay an extra 30 quid (in my case it's actually an extra £130) but I budgeted for that and saved. I wasn't quite expecting it this early though and that's my main gripe, I'm still quite a bit short as I was expecting another 3 months before it needed paying. That early bird farce needs sorting.
Furthermore, Bradford at 150-250 a ticket expect to see a decrease of 2000 tickets this time round and Northampton charged £380 for league 2 football ths season. At Rotherham it was £342 for an adult. Are we really that poor value? I don't think we are.
So its fair for current Cat C season ticket holders to pay over a 50% increase on their season ticket if they cant get the money together in the next 30 days?
I run a business and if I treated existing customers this way I would soon find myself at the job centre.
People will vote with their feet. As has been done this season. Our crowds will be around what Scunthorpe and Blackpoll average for next season, which will have a continuous knock on effect for the year after.
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TheRev wrote:
I won't be renewing either mine or my lads (he's 19) season tickets.
Won't it be actually cheaper for you and your lads tickets now, seeing as the 17-20 band didn't exist last year?
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
TheRev wrote:
I won't be renewing either mine or my lads (he's 19) season tickets.
Won't it be actually cheaper for you and your lads tickets now, seeing as the 17-20 band didn't exist last year?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good Donny moan. It's the trend with our fans to be negative and miserable and in some respects I wish we hadn't got promoted and had ambition, it was far more enjoyable watching us back in the Penney days. Funny thing is, it's the old fans that seem to moan the most, not those who've been watching Rovers for only a year or two.
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Does anyone think it is strange how the new prices haven't been made official on DROS yet and are at the bottom of the season ticket page on the Keepmoat website, after this years season ticket info?
Surely with the tickets on sale as from tomorrow and only a month to get them at early bird prices, it would have been plastered all over the Official Site.
Oh hold on, this is DROS we are talking about.
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SkellowRover wrote:
Snods Shinpad wrote:
12-16 early: Up 58%
What a fantastic way to encourage young suppporters to come along and watch us play............. NOT!!!
Not saying that is right or wrong, but another way of looking at it is that if you are 17-20 it is now at least 45% cheaper to watch Rovers.
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A fact which is overlooked amazingly often Snod. I suspect that overlooking tells us an awful lot more about those doing it than benefit their contributions might offer us directly.
BobG
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MrFrost wrote:
So its fair for current Cat C season ticket holders to pay over a 50% increase on their season ticket if they cant get the money together in the next 30 days?
I run a business and if I treated existing customers this way I would soon find myself at the job centre.
People will vote with their feet. As has been done this season. Our crowds will be around what Scunthorpe and Blackpoll average for next season, which will have a continuous knock on effect for the year after.
The sensible voice of reason Mr Frost.
Football eh? While the rest of us are tightening our belts and cutting costs, football blithely continues on ratcheting up both costs and prices. The entire industry is hermetically sealed from the real world that the rest of us inhabit.
This is an incredible decision by the club. At the end of a severe recession, they basically target the poorest of the club's supporters, saying \"Pay up in the next four weeks or else.\"
Has anyone at the club done a \"What If\" anaylsis here? As in what if 1500 or so current Cat C ticket holders decide to say \"b*llocks to this, putting food on the table and shoes on the bairns' feet is more important than subsidising Lewis Guy's next TT.\"
If hikes like this were needed, then the club could at least have been managing the expectations of the fans over the last few months, giving strong hints that people would have to dig deep to see us at this level next year, and suggesting that people start saving a little earlier than in previous seasons.
But no. That would require the club to have something resembling a media policy.
High-stakes game Donny. I assume that some big-name signings will be made in the summer to raise expectations and give folk a reason to shell out significantly more than this season. Because if this news is followed by contract extensions for Lewis Guy, Mark Wilson etc, and scuttling around the trialist market, I fear we may be seeing crowds drop off a cliff next season.
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Having had a bit of time to look at the prices, if you didn't buy an early bird ticket last year and you renew early this year, you actually have a price reduction if it is Cat A or B of 20 odd quid.. This is for adults and concessions tickets.
If you renew between 1st April & 31st May the price is basically frozen for Cat A and B.
After that date, the price rises only 20 quid.
Prices for 17-20 year old are substantially cheaper.
Basically its the Cat C tickets and U11, 12-16 tickets that are increasing.
All in all a mixed bag, with some discounts and some increases.
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For this current season I paid £420 for my Cat A seat .. the \"Early Bird\" price (if the post is true) is £440 for Cat A .... it is only fair to compare like for like. Don't add \"if\" into your calculations.
I was made redundant in December - I was trying to decide whether I could make the investment in 23 home games - I have made my decision.
I am not complaining. I expect the club to require funding. I don't believe that we should expect other people to finance our club. I do think the the Early Bird finishes ... err ... early.
Never mind - My wife never wanted me to go to football week in week out anyway.
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
Basically its the Cat C tickets and U11, 12-16 tickets that are increasing.
All in all a mixed bag, with some discounts and some increases.
Thats why it's alot of us Cat C STH's who are complaining :silly:
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
Basically its the Cat C tickets and U11, 12-16 tickets that are increasing.
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My point exactly. At a time when money is tighter than for the thick end of 20 years, the club has decided to target the the poorer fans and those with kids.
And after 2 and a half seasons when we have rarely come close to filling the new ground, the club's enlightened approach is to up prices for the overwhelming majority of season tickets by between 5 and 50%.
I'm assuming Ryan and the KM2 are martyrs who actively want to dig deeper into their own pockets, because this decision is almost designed to reduce our revenue next season.
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Sheffield Wednesday first early bird deadline is 8th March! Mind you their season tickets went on sale in November.
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5minstogo wrote:
Sheffield Wednesday first early bird deadline is 8th March! Mind you their season tickets went on sale in November.
That's the second one isn't it? The first one was before the new year.
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5minstogo wrote:
Sheffield Wednesday first early bird deadline is 8th March! Mind you their season tickets went on sale in November.
isnt that when their season ended?
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I tell thee this mi owd muckers.
I can easily afford the cost of season ticket.
Am i about to shell out the extra................am i fook.
Why not........simple.......the product simply is not worth it.
90 odd mins of 22 + men kicking a ball around, jeez i can watch that anywhere, doesnt have to be DRFC.
People on here ( majority it seems )dont have the money i have, they will vote with their feet. No good blaming anyone but DRFC directors, they meet, discuss agenda, pass resolutions.
Bad decision. The day it costs more to watch 90 mins of football than to get pissed is the day i say enough is enough. That day has arrived.
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Its at times like this when I think:
Thank god i'm an exile
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irishcontingent wrote:
I tell thee this mi owd muckers.
I can easily afford the cost of season ticket.
Am i about to shell out the extra................am i fook.
Why not........simple.......the product simply is not worth it.
90 odd mins of 22 + men kicking a ball around, jeez i can watch that anywhere, doesnt have to be DRFC.
People on here ( majority it seems )dont have the money i have, they will vote with their feet. No good blaming anyone but DRFC directors, they meet, discuss agenda, pass resolutions.
Bad decision. The day it costs more to watch 90 mins of football than to get pissed is the day i say enough is enough. That day has arrived.
Comedy gold.
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If I can quote Dragons Den for a minute.. \"I'll let you know where I stand\"
As an existing CAT C st holder, I paid £280 last year. If I can scrape together (and I mean scrape) the £320 to renew by the end of March, I will stand the 12.5% increase and renew.
As soon as the deadline passes and I am required to fork out £400 notes, I will not rnenw, and will pick and choose my games next year.
As a season ticket holder for the last 25+ years it won't be an easy decision but to be given one month's notice by my Football Club to save up the money for a season ticket (with no notice or even a hint that this was about to happen) or else be 'fined' an extra £80 on top of the £40 increase.
The increase in prices I can understand, and can to a degree see the justification for. However the timescale is completely ridiculous, and as stated above, if I can't get the cash sorted by March I will no longer be a Season Ticket holder at Doncaster Rovers FC, and it seems very strange to say that after all these years.
I'm no businessman, but I always thought it was easier to hang onto your existing customers than it is to find a few thousand new ones. The way we have gone about attracting new fans the last few years, I seriously fear for the Clubs' future.
Chris Noble,
Pissed Off,
Epworth.
Rant over! :(
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I hope that the people who made this ridiculous decision to ''fine'' existing season ticket holders are going to make up the shortfall from their salaries. This is a perfect example of economics of the madhouse. As The Mighty Brian Rowe states plenty of fans will be picking and choosing and will have no problem getting tickets as the ground will never sell out.
(is this classed as a mini rant?)
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By your standards it was quite pleasant.
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The Mighty Brian Rowe wrote:
As a season ticket holder for the last 25+ years it won't be an easy decision but to be given one month's notice by my Football Club to save up the money for a season ticket (with no notice or even a hint that this was about to happen) or else be 'fined' an extra £80 on top of the £40 increase.
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I think thats the real bone of contention here, the price rise was coming, even a blind man could see that, we`ve had price freezes in the past so we really can`t grumble too much about that, especially when we are all wanting top quality signings, we can`t expect the board to dig deep indefinitely, BUT! 1 month to get together the money on the back of a recession beggars belief! Take my own circumstances for example, up to September last year I had a Job earning £13 an hour, I got made redundant and i`m now earning £5.85 hour, I`ve still got the same bills to pay and i`m on less than half of what I was earning but I`m expected to find the money for a season ticket in 4 1/2 weeks, it`s not possible! fortunately I`ve still got some redundo left, but the following season may well be a different matter
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Well we know the clubs so called representatives read this board as im sure JR will so at least they have been left in no doubt about the fans feelings.
Last time this happened we got wind of how angry JR was about the fans reaction and we need to support him blah blah and no doubt he will have his say about this issue as well.
However John its nothing to do with supporting you or the rovers, its to do with you taking the piss out of us.I dont want to know about your ridiculous free ticket idea.The bottom line is that in a year when everyones nett income has come down,Rovers have chosen to heavily penalise the tickets that the recession has hit the hardest,and then given them 30 days else they will penalise you again...
I wouldnt expect this from the tax man and hes compulsory......
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Belle-Vue-Ghost wrote:
Its at times like this when I think:
Thank god i'm an exile
I think there will be quite a few with the same thought tbh..
I am a horrid cynical creature, but with the timings, are you all supposed to bite the bullet and dig deeper than most pockets can go on the vague hope that a total miracle is going to happen in that we are going to get new players capable of taking us to the prem...Ergo the free season ticket promise..
It's a bloody big carrot that...
As someone else slaving on mimimum wage I feel for you Filo..I know For me if I was up there a season ticket would be an impossibility. :(
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If you buy an early bird season ticket and we are relegated
wil you get your money back dont fancy league 1 anymore
not at them prices
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I think we can forget any movement by the club on the season ticket matter.
They have produced a nice glossy 6 page pdf file detailing the ins and outs of why they have done it, with part of the space dedicated to JR promoting his book and his cloud cuckoo free season ticket offer.
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This is by no means a solution for all season ticket holders, especially if you have a dodgy credit rating, but if you follow this link (hopefully it'll work) there are ways of spreading out the cost. Just remember to cancel the card once it's paid off!
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cards/best-0-credit-cards#zero
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\"To progress further we really need your support. To compete at the top end of the Championship we need to improve our fan base and particularly our Season Ticket sales\"
I dont think increasing prices is the way to go John but your a better business man than me so good luck with your venture. This time next season when the gates are hovering around 7000 i hope you dont pull funny faces when the attendances are announced.
Ive heard today a fair few councils are laying people off because they darent increase the council tax and have to make cuts. Is football the only business in the current climate where prices are going up ?
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Times are hard would it help if the club moved the early bird back to 1st may.
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Spoke to someone I know today (who will remain nameless).
DRFC's main sponsorship deal with Wright ends at the end of this season and apparently, we've had no interest from any other companies regarding taking over this sponsorship, and the hike in ticket prices is to go towards plugging this gap.
Take it with a pinch of salt if you like.
Doesn anyone know what the current sponsorship deal is worth?