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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: SkellowRover on February 28, 2010, 10:42:46 pm
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Can you please get an urgent message to JR?
The problem isn't the increase in prices, i guess we all knew there would be a slight increase and that most don't mind paying that.
The problem and the reason most people are angry is the time the club have given us to get our st's at the early bird rate. Why are we only being given 1 month? surely it's in the clubs best interest to extend this until the end of may? this way people have more time to budget their income when times are hard in order to get the opportunity to renew at those prices, because this could backfire on the club in a bad way in regard to st sales for next season.
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I think some of the increases are also not realisitc. Potentially 50% for current cat C season ticket holders. Not on i'm afriad.
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MrFrost wrote:
I think some of the increases are also not realisitc. Potentially 50% for current cat C season ticket holders. Not on i'm afriad.
But if you had until the end of may to get your st at early bird prices so that doesn't happen then you have no reason to moan.
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Not so. They increase after March, then again after June, leading potentially to a 50% increase.
I'm sorry, but there is no justifiable reason for a 50% increase, whenever you buy your season ticket.
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MrFrost wrote:
Not so. They increase after March, then again after June, leading potentially to a 50% increase.
I'm sorry, but there is no justifiable reason for a 50% increase, whenever you buy your season ticket.
You're not reading what i'm saying. If you get the early bird prices for your ST until the end of may instead of the end of march then there is no problem because you have longer to get them at the cheaper rate and have 3 months to get them instead of 1. How much were cat c last season? because £320 isn't bad if you have until May for an adult ST.
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Cat C were £250 for this season.
For next they will be:
£320 for March
£400 after march
After June -£420!!!
That is one hell of an increase compared to this season. An increase that cannot be justified i'm afraid.
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For CATC it should be 320 all in to be honest, though CAT C has been a bit of a bargain anyway, half of them sit in CAT A/B areas. I'd be all for making the stadium one flat price.
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I could make a very convincing case that the size of the increase has absolutely sod all to do with anything but JR and the Board being so generous to the supporters that they've had to stop - and so we now have to pay the going rate. That might not be true, but it's an argument that hasn't yet formed part of this discussion. I could also argue that JR and the Board did not appreciate the scale of what is needed to be a capable side at this level. After all, we've not had much experience have we?
Anyway, at bottom, the angst about the 'size' of any increase at all is irelevant. If it's value, people will still buy it and be grateful for getting it cheap before. What's much more important though is the vital question we should all have been thinking about: is the increase enough to allow us to be confident of surviving in this League?
And as an aside, I could make a pretty convincing case that JR and the Board have decided to bite the bullet and turn this club from a B2CDE supported club into a AB1B2 supported club. If you notice, that is what almost evey club that has been succesful for more than a couple of years, has done.
Just think! The Rovers might not want you, or you or you.
I know that sounds provocative. And I'm sorry. But the point is, no one who has contributed to this thread has any idea at all of what lies behind this move. To become vehement, and threatening, on the basis of imagination, fantasy and emotion is a totally pointless exercise. All it does is expose the attitudes and mind sets of those making the posts. And they're not all nice.
The debate about how all this seems to have been implemented is, though, a cause of real worry. No organisation can ever thrive with such persistent, consistent crap service.
BobG
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MrFrost wrote:
Cat C were £250 for this season.
For next they will be:
£320 for March
£400 after march
After June -£420!!!
That is one hell of an increase compared to this season. An increase that cannot be justified i'm afraid.
I'm sure my Cat C was £280 at the \"early bird\" rate last year.
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
For CATC it should be 320 all in to be honest, though CAT C has been a bit of a bargain anyway, half of them sit in CAT A/B areas. I'd be all for making the stadium one flat price.
What do you mean half of them sit in Cat A/B areas?
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It was 280 last year.
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BobG wrote:
I could make a very convincing case that the size of the increase has absolutely sod all to do with anything but JR and the Board being so generous to the supporters that they've had to stop - and so we now have to pay the going rate. That might not be true, but it's an argument that hasn't yet formed part of this discussion. I could also argue that JR and the Board did not appreciate the scale of what is needed to be a capable side at this level. After all, we've not had much experience have we?
Anyway, at bottom, the angst about the 'size' of any increase at all is irelevant. If it's value, people will still buy it and be grateful for getting it cheap before. What's much more important though is the vital question we should all have been thinking about: is the increase enough to allow us to be confident of surviving in this League?
And as an aside, I could make a pretty convincing case that JR and the Board have decided to bite the bullet and turn this club from a B2CDE supported club into a AB1B2 supported club. If you notice, that is what almost evey club that has been succesful for more than a couple of years, has done.
Just think! The Rovers might not want you, or you or you.
I know that sounds provocative. And I'm sorry. But the point is, no one who has contributed to this thread has any idea at all of what lies behind this move. To become vehement, and threatening, on the basis of imagination, fantasy and emotion is a totally pointless exercise. All it does is expose the attitudes and mind sets of those making the posts. And they're not all nice.
The debate about how all this seems to have been implemented is, though, a cause of real worry. No organisation can ever thrive with such persistent, consistent crap service.
BobG
Do you really think that there are enough AB1B2s around to move the club forward? This is Doncaster, not the stockbroker belt!
I just think it is (as usual) a decision which has been taken without sufficient forethought and without the necessary PR and communications. I very much doubt it is about shifting the demographic of the supporter base. They'd be well and truly p*ssing in the wind if they tried to do that.
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hi guys,
Its all news to me too. I feel let down that we have nt had some idea about new prices, about discount opportunities etc.
I will call JR & Dave today - altho JR is in South Africa !.....its poor PR - as usual - but lets see. I'm not happy! Cheers, Gareth
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
For CATC it should be 320 all in to be honest, though CAT C has been a bit of a bargain anyway, half of them sit in CAT A/B areas. I'd be all for making the stadium one flat price.
I'd agree with that mate, in my view, having sat in a few different places around the ground, it's how high up you are in the stands that make the difference to the view, not your position in the stadium. For example, back few rows in the corners gives a far better view of the action than front couple of rows on the halfway line.
They should just have one price and let you sit where you want, as we very rarely come close to selling out they should only insist on allocated seating for the games where a crowd of 13k upwards is expected.
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Gartom that the vsc problem in a nutshell,when the club wants something like selling there mobile phones etc you can bet Jr is straight on the phone wanting your help.
Yet when it comes to the fans season tickets the fans vsc director not only hasnt had any input he hasnt even got a clue its happening until someone on here tells him.
In my opinion the club has shown both Gartom and the fans total disrespect. :(
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wing commander wrote:
Gartom that the vsc problem in a nutshell,when the club wants something like selling there mobile phones etc you can bet Jr is straight on the phone wanting your help.
Yet when it comes to the fans season tickets the fans vsc director not only hasnt had any input he hasnt even got a clue its happening until someone on here tells him.
In my opinion the club has shown both Gartom and the fans total disrespect. :(
its on official site now,he is offering free season tickets if we go up next year
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gartom wrote:
hi guys,
Its all news to me too. I feel let down that we have nt had some idea about new prices, about discount opportunities etc.
I will call JR & Dave today - altho JR is in South Africa !.....its poor PR - as usual - but lets see. I'm not happy! Cheers, Gareth
Save the money on the phone call to Dangerous Dave. The man is a liability.
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How would that work I wonder? that would be a hell of a lot of cash to give away, or would there be conditions, i.e you have to have had ten years worth of unbroken season ticket ownership under your belt to qualify.... Or will it be a free for all...
cynical gimmic or what???
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jucyberry wrote:
How would that work I wonder? that would be a hell of a lot of cash to give away, or would there be conditions, i.e you have to have had ten years worth of unbroken season ticket ownership under your belt to qualify.... Or will it be a free for all...
cynical gimmic or what???
I think for one season the massive increase in TV money (upwards of £20m) would cover the loss of ST income.
Even with a bigger fan base, it was rumoured strongly (and I think Andy mentioned it too) when Sheff Utd went up they worked out afterwards that the profits they made would have comfortably allowed them do to free STs that year? (That could well be an urban myth though).
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The Red Baron wrote:
Do you really think that there are enough AB1B2s around to move the club forward? This is Doncaster, not the stockbroker belt!
Personally, John, I don't think that's the answer. But you've missed the point a bit. I have briefly described three alternative reasons why this price rise has happened. None of us knmow the reality of the reasoning. Therefore all this shouting and screaming is pissing in the wind.
BobG
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After reading the brochure I notice that the CAT C tickets are only available for existing CAT C season ticket holders who want to stay in the same seat.
This to me shows that CAT C tickets are being phased out and new ST holders have to buy CAT B ST's. The early bird discount is £60 more expensive than the CAT C ST but the April and June prices are identical.
I think the categorizing idea is a good idea. It might bring extra money in from the day trippers who turn out to watch the big games.
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gartom wrote:
hi guys,
Its all news to me too. I feel let down that we have nt had some idea about new prices, about discount opportunities etc.
I will call JR & Dave today - altho JR is in South Africa !.....its poor PR - as usual - but lets see. I'm not happy! Cheers, Gareth
That says it all!
This club is being run by incompetents! that haven`t got a clue about customer service and care!
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Strikes me that JR has very little say in how the club is being run. He's in South Africa, which leads me think his input on this has been zero.
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That simply is untrue, its a DRFC board decision, Ryan will have known all about it , if not he should not hold Chairmans position any longer.
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Just spent some time absorbing all this new ST price information and let's start on a positive note.
Good that they have introduced a 'youth' band to bridge the gap between Junior and adult prices.
I am broadly in favour of a rise for Cat A seating, although I do think there are some areas in Cat A that do no warrant top price (particularly in the lower rows)
However, let's look at JR's statement. \" We need to improve our fan base particularly on season ticket sales\"
I'm sure we would all agree with that statement.
Then we have the new price structure. Now I may sound a bit cynical here but assuming the club hasn't just had a stab in the dark, they must have calculated the projections and come up with a target figure for ST sales.
Gartom, is it possible that those in the know at the club could let you have their projections based on the new pricing structure ?
I and many others I'm sure, feel given the time limits, climate and price increases that we will do well to maintain our current ST level and, more likely, see yet another fall in sales.
Does JR really mean he wants to see an increase in ST revenue, or does he really want to increase numbers ?
Either way I think we are struggling. Given the short time span for the 'Early, early bird' price and the price for after 1 June the result will be the opposite of what JR and the rest of us want to achieve.i.e. Decrease in revenue and a decrease in number of sales.
I'm tempted to have a guess that sales of adult tickets after 1 June will amount to a number you could it in to the referees changing room !
That mean that the majority of folk who intend buying a ST will do their upmost to find a way to pay in less than 30 days.
As some people have already quoted Sheffield Wednesday communicated their offers much earlier and with 'an interest free credit' option, giving them much more time.
So Gartom, it is good to know the club have done their upmost to gauge your valued opinion on this, and you are fully briefed and ready to face all the questions on this forum.
I'm all for maximising revenue but I think the club is losing touch with those that matter.
Do I feel like a valued ST holder ? No.
Do I think we will improve our fanbase, particularlt ST numbers ? No
Does anyone think we will ?
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Just spent some time absorbing all this new ST price information...
The point you make about the majority renewing early is probably right, which got me thinking about the the situation we face with all those out of contract players and loanees we may or may not sign.
I'm just speculating here, but maybe this early bird deadline being so tight could be to do with the fact we're going to have to make some pretty rapid decisions about who we keep or release. We can't wait until the end of the season before offering contracts, as by then a player may have been tempted elsewhere.
Plus, the club should know by then what division we are in.
If the money is in the coffers early, the club can have a decent idea as to income and cut their cloth accordingly.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised at all to see this early bird deadline extended as we get close to the deadline (as Sheffield Wednesday did), with the club 'having listened to supporters opinion', or some other excuse. In the meantime, the club have a decent percentage of Season Ticket money in the bank already, to offer new contracts or not as the case may be.
Not saying this is right, but it may be an explanation.
As for your question:
Do I think we will improve our fanbase, particularly ST numbers ?
Simple economics suggest we will get more 17-20 year old season ticket holders and less adult Cat C and under 16 ticket holders.
As for numbers I wouldn't have a clue, but increasing prices on the cheapest seats during a recession which may have only just started, is a risky decision.
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Simple economics suggest we will get more 17-20 year old season ticket holders and less adult Cat C and under 16 ticket holders.
I hope the club now do something to promote this offer to those out there in this age bracket that spend their time wandering around Frenchgate and a Satdi afternoon.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Simple economics suggest we will get more 17-20 year old season ticket holders and less adult Cat C and under 16 ticket holders.
I hope the club now do something to promote this offer to those out there in this age bracket that spend their time wandering around Frenchgate and a Satdi afternoon.
I'm sure the clubs rapier-like direct marketing crack squad are already organising mailshots of social networking sites as we speak. :laugh:
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I can understand the club needing to know where they stand in regards to season ticket holders as early as possible; but I think we all know the effect what the current policy will have.
Wouldn't it make sense to do something along the following lines:
- People wanting renew their ST's renew before 31st March by giving a (non-refundable) £100 deposit. Therefore the club will have a fair idea of numbers by this stage,as it is very unlikely that people will be willing to kiss goodbye to 100 notes.
- They then have to to pay 2 more deposits of half the remainder each before the end of May to secure their tickets.
Simple as.
Problem solved.
JR happy.
Supporters happy(ish).
New players signed and important ones retained.
...and if this can be twinned with a coherent marketing strategy to entice new fans in, even better.
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Excellent idea. The club will introduce this in time for the 2040/41 season.
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The Mighty Brian Rowe wrote:
I can understand the club needing to know where they stand in regards to season ticket holders as early as possible; but I think we all know effect what the current policy will have.
Wouldn't it make snece to do something along the following lines:
- People wanting renew their ST's renew before 31st March by giving a (no-refundable) £100 deposit. Therefore the club will have a fair idea of numbers by this stage,as it is very unlikely that people will be willing to kiss goodbye to 100 notes.
- They then have to to pay 2 more deposits of half the remainder before the end of May to secure their tickets.
Simple as.
Problem solved.
JR happy.
Supporters happy(ish).
New player signed and important ones retained.
...and if this can be twinned with a coherent marketing strategy to entice new fans in, even better.
A damn fine idea! :)
Infact you should email this direct to the club and to Gartom so that it is not overlooked
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The Mighty Brian Rowe wrote:
I can understand the club needing to know where they stand in regards to season ticket holders as early as possible; but I think we all know effect what the current policy will have.
Wouldn't it make snece to do something along the following lines:
- People wanting renew their ST's renew before 31st March by giving a (no-refundable) £100 deposit. Therefore the club will have a fair idea of numbers by this stage,as it is very unlikely that people will be willing to kiss goodbye to 100 notes.
- They then have to to pay 2 more deposits of half the remainder before the end of May to secure their tickets.
Simple as.
Problem solved.
JR happy.
Supporters happy(ish).
New player signed and important ones retained.
...and if this can be twinned with a coherent marketing strategy to entice new fans in, even better.
This should be sent to the club, everyone would be happy this way.
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will try and do it later. leaving the office now for the afternoon. If anywants to forward it to Gartom / Club on my behalf, please feel free.
Chris.
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To be honest I'd buy a 3 season long ticket, if there was a small incentive. It'd be good for the club as they'd get plenty of money in early and be able to invest it and I'd be safe in the knowledge I wouldn't be losing my seat which I am more than happy with.
I do think they urgently need to look into more flexible payment options as other clubs do though.
Just dropping this announcement out of the blue like this is a definite own goal, they could have flagged this proposal up months ago. They just haven't given people any time to prepare.
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Hi guys,
re the idea odf the deposit scheme....
We proposed this idea last season - got nowhere- and thats why I'm annoyed now - we said we'd have a look at the deposit scheme for this season- and its been completely ignored again !
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gartom wrote:
Hi guys,
re the idea odf the deposit scheme....
We proposed this idea last season - got nowhere- and thats why I'm annoyed now - we said we'd have a look at the deposit scheme for this season- and its been completely ignored again !
Just emailed this idea to you Gartom, I think in the current climate it is worth pursuing again, the goalpost have moved from last year
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Already sent my grumble to JR and Dave this morning - highlighting this omission. Will try and speak to them this afternoon - work keeps getting in the way !
Cheers, Gareth
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I emailed the club redarding the issue and the uproar on here.
This was my reply:
\"Hi Mark (my name isn't Mark so well done for reading who signed the last email)
We understand fans frustrations, but the new season ticket prices and dates have been implemented with the interests at the club at heart.
Unfortunately, these porposals (nice spelling) are now set in stone and cannot be altered. We feel the prices and early bird deadlines are appropriate and affordable for our fan base.
Kind Regards
No one has even bothered signing it or giving a name.
A little patronising if you ask me.
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Thanks for the updates Gareth / others.
I'll not bother sending it to the club if that's the response I will get.
Do we think if we have shifted less than 1,000 by the end of March, the proposals may not be as 'set in stone' as they are now?
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MrFrost wrote:
We feel the prices and early bird deadlines are appropriate and affordable for our fan base.
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That's a disgraceful stance from the club. How the hell do they know it's affordable ? Who have they asked ?
It can only go one way. Clearly they have not learned from last season and have just had a stb in the dark regardless !
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If the early bird deadline is not extended till end of april so we know what league we will be playing in i for one will not renew and i feel a lot of others will do the same club will lose money here big style
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bigal wrote:
If the early bird deadline is not extended till end of april so we know what league we will be playing in i for one will not renew and i feel a lot of others will do the same club will lose money here big style
I think you`re in the minority bigal
It`s not a question of what league we`ll be in nor the price rise, the general consensus seems to be the short timescale that has been given for people to get the money together thats the problem, and the lack of notice to implement this
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I can understand people not being able to buy a season ticket if the price goes up... that is logic if you have a very minimal income.
it's all very well to say well budget and save for it, but for some there isn't any extra in the pot to budget with...
What I don't understand however are the ones who say they won't be renewing if we go down, or at least until they know where we will be next year.
I thought your team was your team regardless of where it sits in the football hit parade.
I know it's easy for me to say, as me getting to a game is as rare as hen's teeth, but then, for me it is way more expensive.. I have to find a hotel and train fare as well as the price of a ticket and I'm very poor :( :( lol
To paraprase, Donny Rovers is for life not just the CCC.
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Please pass my thanks on to the board for letting me have the opportunity to renew my season ticket.
Must admit I was so disappointed that the form had not come through in the post this morning but hopefully it will \"land\" tomorrow morning.
Keep up the good work guys
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Filo wrote:
bigal wrote:
If the early bird deadline is not extended till end of april so we know what league we will be playing in i for one will not renew and i feel a lot of others will do the same club will lose money here big style
I think you`re in the minority bigal
It`s not a question of what league we`ll be in nor the price rise, the general consensus seems to be the short timescale that has been given for people to get the money together thats the problem, and the lack of notice to implement this
Spot on, it's the lack of notice and shortened window of opportunity that is galling, along with the refusal to listen to genuine ideas on easing the burden of buying. I want a ST regardless of division but it isn't possible for me to get the money together before the end of May as that is what I budgeted for as I did this season, with the added cost I will probably not have the money until July now and with me missing at least 6 home games a season through work I can't justify buying one for over £400. If the window was extended to May I would be able to.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Please pass my thanks on to the board for letting me have the opportunity to renew my season ticket.
Must admit I was so disappointed that the form had not come through in the post this morning but hopefully it will \"land\" tomorrow morning.
Keep up the good work guys
Are you Dave Morris in disguise? Seriously? You're the only person on here who thinks shafting loyal fans with a 'buy with a single month's notice else pay even more still' is a good idea!
I really fear for our ST sales this year - I think the club have dropped one big massive hairy b*llock - I just hope the fans aren't blamed / players not signed / good players lost isn't the net result of it all. :(
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We will get blamed. :huh:
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A damn fine post that Jucy. Spot on.
BobG
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jucyberry wrote:
it's all very well to say well budget and save for it, but for some there isn't any extra in the pot to budget with...
So what makes you think there will be something in the pot in 3 months time?
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Because there is three times the chance of \"enough in the pot by 4 weeks time\"?
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CusworthRovers wrote:
jucyberry wrote:
it's all very well to say well budget and save for it, but for some there isn't any extra in the pot to budget with...
So what makes you think there will be something in the pot in 3 months time?
that is exactly my point. for some there is no way they will be able to afford the hike.. season tickets arent the only things that will be rising this spring.. How much will your council tax be going up? for some on a low to minimum wage that will probably be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
For many it won't be a simple case of trimming a few luxuries cos they have precious few to begin with.
I don't know the answer, I guess it all comes down to when the decision to spread the rise was actually made. But if it was made months ago, then it is a shame that it wasn't mentioned somewhere, if not so that people could try to work something out, but at least so they could become accustomed to the thought that there was going to be a change in the price structuring, and that the goal posts were to moved on the early bird date system.
Lets face it there is no good time to inform of an increase, but from things I have seen on other threads posted by Mr Frost, the club seems to have a bit of a let them eat cake thing going on at the moment.
As always lack of communication seems to be the biggest downfall..
right, as always cos I'm reading the forum I'm late for work..tut, have a nice day all.x
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Filo wrote:
bigal wrote:
If the early bird deadline is not extended till end of april so we know what league we will be playing in i for one will not renew and i feel a lot of others will do the same club will lose money here big style
I think you`re in the minority bigal
It`s not a question of what league we`ll be in nor the price rise, the general consensus seems to be the short timescale that has been given for people to get the money together that's the problem, and the lack of notice to implement this
I Dont mind paying £50 extra for my ticket as i have had excellent value over last two years,but to ask me to pay
before we are safe in this league that's another matter.If i don't take a chance on us stopping up and pay in April it costs another £80 £130 all together.In a minority am i we will see
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CusworthRovers wrote:
jucyberry wrote:
it's all very well to say well budget and save for it, but for some there isn't any extra in the pot to budget with...
So what makes you think there will be something in the pot in 3 months time?
Are you being serious?
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bigal wrote:
Filo wrote:
bigal wrote:
If the early bird deadline is not extended till end of april so we know what league we will be playing in i for one will not renew and i feel a lot of others will do the same club will lose money here big style
I think you`re in the minority bigal
It`s not a question of what league we`ll be in nor the price rise, the general consensus seems to be the short timescale that has been given for people to get the money together that's the problem, and the lack of notice to implement this
I Dont mind paying £50 extra for my ticket as i have had excellent value over last two years,but to ask me to pay
before we are safe in this league that's another matter.If i don't take a chance on us stopping up and pay in April it costs another £80 £130 all together.In a minority am i we will see
So let me get this straight- you are willing to pay the extra money to watch Rovers BUT ONLY if they are in the Championship?
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The Red Baron wrote:
bigal wrote:
Filo wrote:
bigal wrote:
If the early bird deadline is not extended till end of april so we know what league we will be playing in i for one will not renew and i feel a lot of others will do the same club will lose money here big style
I think you`re in the minority bigal
It`s not a question of what league we`ll be in nor the price rise, the general consensus seems to be the short timescale that has been given for people to get the money together that's the problem, and the lack of notice to implement this
I Don't mind paying £50 extra for my ticket as i have had excellent value over last two years,but to ask me to pay
before we are safe in this league that's another matter.If i don't take a chance on us stopping up and pay in April it costs another £80 £130 all together.In a minority am i we will see
So let me get this straight- you are willing to pay the extra money to watch Rovers BUT ONLY if they are in the Championship?
If that is the case you can be sure i will not be on my own. We have lost a 1000 supporters this
season with no price increase loose our best players possibly manager no one in the ground all that plus £130 increase back to conference days
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I think some of the posters on here need to get their heads from up their arses.
Firstly I will be getting my season ticket before the end of March as I am luckily in a position where I can afford to.
I can however understand the thinking behind some supporters wanting to know what league we will be in before committing themselves to spending their hard earned cash.
Can I ask all the ones who are quite happy to pay CCC prices to watch league 1 football, would they be happy to buy tickets for a concert with a top artist and then when it was announced he/she/they would not be appearing but an inferior act will perform instead want a refund or reduction of the ticket price?
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Wellred, when you look at the figures, we're paying less than many in league 1 and a large number in league 2, so are we really paying CCC prices for league 1 football? Not really.
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Rigoglioso wrote:
big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
Wellred, when you look at the figures, we're paying less than many in league 1 and a large number in league 2, so are we really paying CCC prices for league 1 football? Not really.
At £23 per match ticket though, that point could be argued strongly.
The average price per match ticket in League One is around £20 - even less at some clubs.
Having looked, that includes terracing I'd presume. I'm not saying we'd be near the bottom, but there's at least 10 who charge similar/more than us in that division. When you take into account the facilities, we're not that bad are we?
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Its relative, £250 for a ticket to watch Wigan in the premiership
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The trend in football is forcing prices down. Some clubs have realised that already.
Maintianing your fan base at tghis time is critical. When (and if) the good times return then you maybe in a position to juggle your prices in an upward direction.
I don't beleive that anyone should have to pay £23 to watch a game of football, irrespective of what league you are in, unless you are in the best padded seats in the house !
£15 quid is about right. I think we would find that if match day prices/ season ticket prices were at that sort of level, then we just might find that more people would turn up to cup games.