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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Lord Farquaad on March 18, 2010, 09:43:30 pm
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I may stand to be shot down by the stattos.
But I reckon we must have the largest percentage rise in attendances over a 10 year period in the history of football.
Ever.
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I would think you are spot on there your Lordship. I dont think we should under-estimate the damage that Richardson did to the clubs support when he tried to condemn us to the history books. In a way i would be a bit miffed if we sold out on Saturday and Tuesday just because two of the \"bigger\" clubs are our visitors, i would prefer that the people of Doncaster came to watch their club, not the opposition, but Rome wasn't built in a day
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Dont know any facts at all - but Wimbledon? A real nothing none league club. How far did they get in 10 years? If their crowds started off at say 500, it wouldn't take much of a rise to be a stonking great % increase. Or how about Villa? 3rd division to 1st division? Or Man City? Or Wolves and Middlesborough? Even Blades? They all had shit teams that ended up in the 3rd (or worse) and then took off for the top flight.
I don't know the answers, but they're surely all in with a shout?
Cheers
BobG
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I think you are wrong there Bob in that I seem to remember Wimbledon had a pretty decent record for a while before they got into the League, maybe 2-3k, and agin they only averaged around 10-12k when they were in the top tier, so thats only a rise of 5-6%. Rovers were in the hundreds in Richardson's time, there were quite a few matches where the away support outnumbered home fans, it has to be a rise of 10-12% easy. The other clubs you mentioned average what, 25-30k now, no way were their crowds down to 2-3k during their lean years.
I would say if any club matches our record it would be Wigan, they always had poor attendences, I reckon they must have gone up 10%?
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Hull City - they were down to 1-2k under David Lloyd, seem to remember some cup game we won at theirs when we had more fans than they did
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wilts rover wrote:
I think you are wrong there Bob in that I seem to remember Wimbledon had a pretty decent record for a while before they got into the League, maybe 2-3k, and agin they only averaged around 10-12k when they were in the top tier, so thats only a rise of 5-6%. Rovers were in the hundreds in Richardson's time, there were quite a few matches where the away support outnumbered home fans, it has to be a rise of 10-12% easy. The other clubs you mentioned average what, 25-30k now, no way were their crowds down to 2-3k during their lean years.
I would say if any club matches our record it would be Wigan, they always had poor attendences, I reckon they must have gone up 10%?
am i missing something with your maths here?
if wimbledon started with 3k, and went up to 12k, thats an increase of 300%, not 5-6...
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err, you probably are yes, I'm a historian they only maths I am interested on is on my pay slip.... I was seeing Wimbledon's increase as 4x and Rovers as 10x and making that 4% and 10% - which as you point out is obviously the wrong figure. So if I give you what I think the figures are, can errr, somebody else do the maths!!
Rovers , less than 1k to 10k (10x)
Wimbledon 2.5k to 12k (4.5x)
Hull City 1.5k to 20k (12x)
Wigan 1.5k to 15k (10x)
those are off the top of my head guestimates rather than scientific by the way
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fair enough.
rovers = 900% increase
wimbledon = (2.5 to 12 is actually 4.8x)= 380%
hull = 1100%
wigan = 900%
just had a nosey on the hull website and 9 years ago (2001/2002 season) they were getting 9.5k home gates, so i duno where u got 1.5k from. lol
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Wigan's highest increase over ten years is 2986 average in 1996 to 20233 in 2006.
Our highest increase over ten years is 3380 average in 1999 to 11964 in 2009. Our lowest average ever was 1715 in 1998 but 10 years later in 2008 we got a 7978 average.
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So 354% increase in 10 years for the Rovers and 678% for Wigan.
CHeers Akinfenwa
BobG
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MK (Franchise) Dons have inceased their fanbase in a relatively short period, moving from the National Hockey Stadium to MK arena.
Although it should never been allowed to happen, Winklemans gamble of taking the club to MK has paid off.
From our perspective, despite the ODD large crowd at Old BV though the fifties, sixties and seventies, last season was our highest average gate since 1958 I think.
We must have been at our lowest in the Richardson era and when Old BV pop side was knocked down after the taylor report, and the capacity was something like 5 - 6k.
Was only after JR stepped in and built BV back in to a reasonable football ground again could we accommodate up to 12000 ish.
On one hand for a town our size and given our success, you would think we could easily sell out the KM, but in reality ther has been a steady increase in ST holders up until last season, when we saw the first drop off in numbers.
The good news is that those that have dropped off are unlikely to be supporting Weeds, Blades or Owls, and hopefully should be back with us sooner or later.
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I've made this table containing most of the clubs with the largest attendance increases:
Club Period Start End Incr. %Incr.
Wigan 1996-2006 2986 20233 17247 578%
Wolves 1986-1996 4020 24785 20765 517%
Wycombe 1986-1996 775 4580 3805 491%
Tranmere 1985-1995 1595 8908 7313 458%
Barnet 1983-1993 656 3431 2775 423%
Hull 1996-2006 3803 19841 16038 422%
Fulham 1996-2006 4183 20606 16423 393%
Swindon 1984-1994 3154 15011 11857 376%
Swansea 1996-2006 2975 14112 11137 374%
Blackburn 1986-1996 5826 27552 21726 373%
M'boro 1986-1996 6257 29257 23000 368%
Doncaster 1998-2008 1715 7978 6263 365%
Cheltenham 1992-2002 885 4073 3188 360%
Cardiff 1997-2007 3563 15223 11660 327%
Morecambe 1994-2004 422 1783 1361 323%
Bolton 1992-2002 6030 25097 19067 316%
Yeovil 1995-2005 1746 6320 4574 262%
QPR 1965-1975 5670 20394 14724 260%
Charlton 1992-2002 6780 24165 17385 256%
Boston 1995-2005 871 2932 2061 237%
Reading 1993-2003 4781 16011 11230 235%
Birmingham 1989-1999 6286 20794 14508 231%
Newcastle 1991-2001 16879 51309 34430 204%
Wimbledon 1984-1994 3459 10475 7016 203%
Burnley 1987-1997 3342 10041 6699 200%
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Akinfenwa wrote:
I've made this table containing most of the clubs with the largest attendance increases:
Club Period Start End Incr. %Incr.
Wigan 1996-2006 2986 20233 17247 678%
Wolves 1986-1996 4020 24785 20765 617%
Tranmere 1985-1995 1595 8908 7313 558%
Hull 1996-2006 3803 19841 16038 522%
Fulham 1996-2006 4183 20606 16423 493%
Swansea 1996-2006 2975 14112 11137 474%
Blackburn 1986-1996 5826 27552 21726 473%
M'boro 1986-1996 6257 29257 23000 468%
Cardiff 1997-2007 3563 15223 11660 427%
Morecambe 1994-2004 422 1783 1361 423%
Bolton 1992-2002 6030 25097 19067 416%
Charlton 1992-2002 6780 24165 17385 356%
Doncaster 1999-2009 3380 11964 8584 354%
Birmingham 1989-1999 6286 20794 14508 331%
Newcastle 1991-2001 16879 51309 34430 304%
Wimbledon 1984-1994 3459 10475 7016 303%
Burnley 1987-1997 3342 10041 6699 300%
Cardiff's has gone up alot more in the last 3 years. I remember watching city with 1500 fans there, then it kept increasing and now we're averaging about 21k week in week out
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1997-2007 is still the 10 year period with the highest increase though. Ten years ago Cardiff's average was almost 7000.
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Ha! Brilliant Akinfenwa. That's worth reading. I almost suggested Newcastle - but chickened out in the end. I thought Wolves would be up near the top as they ended up in the 4th Div for a season, Tranmere and Charlton. Good table that. Did you work it out by hand? Or have you written some sort of clever little programme to do the number crunching?
Cheers
BobG
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I got the attendances off the internet and put it in Excel to work out the percentages automatically. The information is from here (http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm) if you want to have a look.
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There's a bit of a flaw in your spreadsheet: the % increase should be the 'difference' divided by the initial attendance. Apply that, and the % increase between 1998 and 2008 for Rovers was higher than the the later one you show.
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Train numbers don't create these sort of problems!!!!
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Tis a cracking piece of work and makes very interesting reading.
It's also nice to see the facts to dispel the myth of the great ever present Geordie nation being there through thick and thin - although i'd be more than happy with their smallest average attendance at a Rovers game.
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Snodthegod wrote:
There's a bit of a flaw in your spreadsheet: the % increase should be the 'difference' divided by the initial attendance. Apply that, and the % increase between 1998 and 2008 for Rovers was higher than the the later one you show.
Thanks, changed it. We've moved up a bit.
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Great piece of work there Akinfenwa, pleased so my hunch about Wigan was actually right!
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Just like to add my appreciation as well Akinfenwa - many thanks