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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Thinwhiteduke on March 23, 2010, 10:05:15 pm
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I wouldnt have thought so.
Isnt it advisable to look up and make sure a player is available before passing a ball to him?
Otherwise you may just pass it direct to an on rushing member of the opposition, leaving your team woefully short at the back, and therefore directly contributing to your opposition scoring, what turns out to be the winning goal.
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here we go
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He made one mistake, get rid of him then!!!! Fool
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Apart from his ONE mistake he had a good game, on the other hand how did roberts get the MOTM? he gave the ball away more times than wilson, i would have gave the MOTM award to oster!
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Shornton wrote:
He made one mistake, get rid of him then!!!! Fool
Who said get rid of him?
He's a fair squad player usually - cant look at anyone else to blame for the disastrous pass that led to their goal though, it was School Boy stuff simple as that.
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Thinwhiteduke wrote:
I wouldnt have thought so.
Isnt it advisable to look up and make sure a player is available before passing a ball to him?
Otherwise you may just pass it direct to an on rushing member of the opposition, leaving your team woefully short at the back, and therefore directly contributing to your opposition scoring, what turns out to be the winning goal.
Totally unfair on the lad, he made one mistake and we got punished, up to that point he was our most industrious player, and after he went off we were totally ineffective
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sorry but you got to feel sorry for wilson who in my opinion was working as hard as oster in midfield and up to that point was having a good game, it was noticable his game was deteriating after that point which suggests to me that he was well aware of his mistake and that it bothered him, shame really because he has come on so much this season and im sure he will continue to improve, overall a good performance
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Oster had to be MOTM, not a fantastic game but a good bit better than anyone else on the pitch, in midfield we were terrible today, we are supposed to be a good passing side, today we were poor.
Woods was well off his game :(
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MiKA wrote:
Woods was well off his game :(
I agree with that, gave the ball away numerous times and apart from one shot he couldn`t hit the ball properly
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Oster was sublime, a real 90 minute display. Bad mistake from Wilson, especially given the last few weeks he hadn't been playng those silly balls.
Woods has been frustrating the hell out of me for the last few games but he's not long back from injury so maybe I'm being harsh on him (although perhaps those who sit in Row X aren't as forgiving when he shoots).
Good performance against a side with some really good players - wouldn't say they are a gelled, slick side though, certainly don't have the synergies we have. Some of the Hayter/Sharp/Oster play in the first half had them chasing shadows.
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I thought Wilson played his usual game - passive, not interested, in the place but never in the tackle. The bad pass meant we lost the game, but the amount of 50/50 balls he's second to is pathetic.
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WSBBA_Ben wrote:
I thought Wilson played his usual game - passive, not interested, in the place but never in the tackle. The bad pass meant we lost the game, but the amount of 50/50 balls he's second to is pathetic.
your eyesight must be as bad as the west side lino`s
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If Hayter had held the ball longer and not got rid straight away to Wilson he might not have made that pass.
Wilson had a very good game up to then. Worked very hard and created opportunities for the team.
Oster was very good but I feel as though I've been mugged by an inept lino and a Ref who bowed to Newcastle's every whinge.
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Filo wrote:
WSBBA_Ben wrote:
I thought Wilson played his usual game - passive, not interested, in the place but never in the tackle. The bad pass meant we lost the game, but the amount of 50/50 balls he's second to is pathetic.
your eyesight must be as bad as the west side lino`s
Do you reckon? I think having a 'ball winning' midfielder who cannot win the ball is pointless; if we ad a decent footballer in there we'd see the benefit.
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Wilson wasn't great tonight, but he wasn't bad either. I don't think we played badly...Oster was by far our best player mind. The full backs and Hayter were really good too.
Wilson's pass may have led to the goal, but JOC put him under pressure...and on JOC, he and Martis need to stop doing useless long balls, not one of them found a Rovers head, they're pointless.
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oster was MOTM for me tonight too.
going to be honest though, even though wilsons stray pass lead to their goal, i thought he had a really good night up to that point, i think he DID push the ball forward, he DID create, and he DID get into the tackles.
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John Buckley made a good comment on the commentary,\"people who dont know much about the game dont't like the boy Wilson\"
His words
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Wilson had another good game today, just a shame about that one insident.
Its a disgrace the way the majority act towards him...anyone else gives the ball away theres not a sound but everytime wilson does theres booing...most likely the same bunch that boo lewis guy.
When someones wearing a rovers shirt support them, dont constantly whinge!
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We took a neutral with us tonight and at half time he said he thought Wilson and Oster were our best players. Wilson is underated in my opinion, there have been games when other players have misplaced passes more than Wilson.
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RedRockets wrote:
Wilson had another good game today, just a shame about that one insident.
Its a disgrace the way the majority act towards him...anyone else gives the ball away theres not a sound but everytime wilson does theres booing...most likely the same bunch that boo lewis guy.
When someones wearing a rovers shirt support them, dont constantly whinge!
your right, it is the same bunch, and its west stand 'b' section, they ask people to go and sit and sing with them, but why would anyone want to do that when they dont even support there players on the pitch?
its the same with guy! i think wilson was proberly 2nd or 3rd best player today Oster MOtM then close between Wilson and Billy.
what west stand 'b' see is beond me and about 14,000 other fans aswell!
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Wilson isn't a good enough passer of the ball. Bit of a handicap when you are at the heart of the midfield isn't it?
I'm going to get endless stick for this, but Wilson really infuriates me. Once he makes his first good tackle/pass/contribution to the game, it goes straight to his head, and he tries to be a world beater. At this point he starts trying to pull the strings, and he just isn't cut out for spraying passes around the pitch. Hence the numerous passes given away, one of which cost us the game.
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VikingJames wrote:
Wilson isn't a good enough passer of the ball. Bit of a handicap when you are at the heart of the midfield isn't it?
I'm going to get endless stick for this, but Wilson really infuriates me. Once he makes his first good tackle/pass/contribution to the game, it goes straight to his head, and he tries to be a world beater. At this point he starts trying to pull the strings, and he just isn't cut out for spraying passes around the pitch. Hence the numerous passes given away, one of which cost us the game.
You must have gone to a different stadium to me, Wilson was one of our better players and gave the ball away no where near as many times as Woods did!
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VikingJames wrote:
Wilson isn't a good enough passer of the ball. Bit of a handicap when you are at the heart of the midfield isn't it?
I'm going to get endless stick for this, but Wilson really infuriates me. Once he makes his first good tackle/pass/contribution to the game, it goes straight to his head, and he tries to be a world beater. At this point he starts trying to pull the strings, and he just isn't cut out for spraying passes around the pitch. Hence the numerous passes given away, one of which cost us the game.
VJ - it's about time you took the blinkers off....
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Filo wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Wilson isn't a good enough passer of the ball. Bit of a handicap when you are at the heart of the midfield isn't it?
I'm going to get endless stick for this, but Wilson really infuriates me. Once he makes his first good tackle/pass/contribution to the game, it goes straight to his head, and he tries to be a world beater. At this point he starts trying to pull the strings, and he just isn't cut out for spraying passes around the pitch. Hence the numerous passes given away, one of which cost us the game.
You must have gone to a different stadium to me, Wilson was one of our better players and gave the ball away no where near as many times as Woods did!
Didn't deny that Woods gave the ball away too much. The thread aint about Woods is it? No, it is about Wilson.
Fair enough, your opinion is that he was one of the better players. I disagree, but that is the brilliance of football isn't it. If everybody took the same viewpoint, there wouldn't be much point of a forum.
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Hope you are sitting down Filo but I have to agree with you. Up until he gave the goal away he was playing well. Unfortunately after his mistake his game went downhill.
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TheRev wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
Wilson isn't a good enough passer of the ball. Bit of a handicap when you are at the heart of the midfield isn't it?
I'm going to get endless stick for this, but Wilson really infuriates me. Once he makes his first good tackle/pass/contribution to the game, it goes straight to his head, and he tries to be a world beater. At this point he starts trying to pull the strings, and he just isn't cut out for spraying passes around the pitch. Hence the numerous passes given away, one of which cost us the game.
VJ - it's about time you took the blinkers off....
Time to take the blinkers off? That's strange IMO, coming from somebody who thinks that Wilson is of Championship standard when put at the focal point of the midfield.
I'm ever so sorry to have had a different opinion to you.
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Shornton wrote:
John Buckley made a good comment on the commentary,\"people who dont know much about the game dont't like the boy Wilson\"
His words
John Buckley was a good player, wasn't he? And he's famous for spotting a talented player. Hang on...John Buckley? Jobbing footballer and crap girl's football coach...?
I don't see how his comments hold any more weight than us on here. Wilson is not a Championship quality footballer. If he sprinted after every ball, wound up the opposition and tackled with his face he'd be everyone's favourite player. Loyal and adequate yes. A skillful winner, no. I could forgive his lack of skill if he tackled with his face.
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How is Wilson not a good enough passer of the ball?!?
He's one of the better distributers within the midfield.
His game did go downhill slightly but it isnt suprising when just about everyone gets on his back
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The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game, if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.
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RedRockets wrote:
How is Wilson not a good enough passer of the ball?!?
He's one of the better distributers within the midfield.
His game did go downhill slightly but it isnt suprising when just about everyone gets on his back
Er, because he gives it away every time he tries to pass it further than 5 yards.
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Wellred wrote:
Hope you are sitting down Filo but I have to agree with you. Up until he gave the goal away he was playing well. Unfortunately after his mistake his game went downhill.
Yeah i`ll give you that one, he did seem to let the mistake affect him, but after he was subbed we looked totally devoid of ideas.
And luckily I was sitting down as I read that post :)
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pigeonhole wrote:
I don't see how his comments hold any more weight than us on here. Wilson is not a Championship quality footballer. If he sprinted after every ball, wound up the opposition and tackled with his face he'd be everyone's favourite player. Loyal and adequate yes. A skillful winner, no. I could forgive his lack of skill if he tackled with his face.
so you'd rather have someone in his place who does one too many tricks and gives the ball away constantly or can't beat the first defender?
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donnygreenjeans wrote:
The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game, if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.
By the same measure, when he has a decent game, everyone comes on here making out that he is some sort of midfield maestro.
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VikingJames wrote:
Er, because he gives it away every time he tries to pass it further than 5 yards.
gave the ball away once maybe twice in the game, one of which being a crap pass originally from Hayter leaving him with no options available...
he created some of the most openings for us tonight, so lets all stop talking rubbish
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Filo wrote:
Wellred wrote:
Hope you are sitting down Filo but I have to agree with you. Up until he gave the goal away he was playing well. Unfortunately after his mistake his game went downhill.
Yeah i`ll give you that one, he did seem to let the mistake affect him, but after he was subbed we looked totally devoid of ideas.
And luckily I was sitting down as I read that post :)
What happened to the passing football we have enjoyed so much this season in the second half?
At one point I thought Kevin Blackwell and Sod had swapped clubs we were hoofing it forward that much.
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VikingJames wrote:
donnygreenjeans wrote:
The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game, if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.
By the same measure, when he has a decent game, everyone comes on here making out that he is some sort of midfield maestro.
If you look at the first post in this thread, it`s a Wilson bashing post, noone is making out he`s a maestro, they`re just defending him from some uncalled for criticism
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VikingJames wrote:
donnygreenjeans wrote:
The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game, if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.
By the same measure, when he has a decent game, everyone comes on here making out that he is some sort of midfield maestro.
Even the people who don't like him? Who are you kidding? Basically if your not a 'fans favourite' then you've got no hope of winning fans over!
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Typical Wilson really. Does well to win the ball and then ruins his hard work by giving it away afterwards too often. This happens week in week out, I've seen it. The difference today being that it was against a side with quality players who punished the mistake. If Willo had the composure to play the simple pass after winning the ball and leave the intricate passes to the flair players then we'd have a decent defensive midfielder.
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U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?
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I rate Wilson and think the treatment he receives from some people is outrageous. However, I think Gillett offers a little bit more pace and tenacity in that position - I hope we can pick him up from Southampton in the summer.
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Filo wrote:
If you look at the first post in this thread, it`s a Wilson bashing post, noone is making out he`s a maestro, they`re just defending him from some uncalled for criticism
Not really referring to today. Every time he puts in a mildly acceptable performance, there are always threads on here spouting how well he played and how the critics should shut up. If any other player performed to the same slightly above average level, they wouldn't get a mention.
I wouldn't criticise a Rovers player for the sake of it if I didn't have reason to. I just don't think he is good enough, and I find it slightly baffling how some people kid themselves into thinking that he is the solution to our midfield problems.
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Oster was head and shoulders above everyone else today imo. I can't understand how robbo got motm, i thought he had his poorest game for a while, especially in the 2nd half. I'm not used to seeing him not make attacking runs, having said that he did have his hands full because i thought routledge was their best player along with gutherie so robbo was always being forced back.
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VikingJames wrote:
and I find it slightly baffling how some people kid themselves into thinking that he is the solution to our midfield problems.
You see thats why your baffled, no one has said he`s the solution to our midfield problems, for the most part of the season he`s been a squad player, it`s only since Stock got injured and Gillet went back to Southampton that Wilson has got in the team. He`s not a flair player, he`s a grafter, someone who`s prepared to do the ugly things so that the flair players can do their stuff. He`s no world beater but he does a job and comes in for a lot of uncalled for stick
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Oster shone for sure. I think he needed a bit of help earlier in the second half. I think Mutch, JET, Spicer could have been given longer when there's nothing to lose.
Pick on Wilson all you like. He made an error by trying to be positive. Had he lifted the pass over the player as intended there wouldn't have been a problem. Had JOC not have let Carroll get goalside, there would not have been a problem. Had Sullivan not let Carroll give him the eye and go to ground early, there wouldn't have been a problem.
All players make mistakes from time to time, it's just we chose to have selective memories when it comes to looking for scapegoats.
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Wilson had a good solid game up until that pass. About 5 mins later JOC made a bad pass and they attacked and we just managed to scramble the ball away from goal. JOC got lucky and Wilson didn't it is as simple as that. It makes me feel ashamed to be a Donny fan when it puts me in the same group as some of the morons who come on here and continously slate Wilson, you should be supporting all our players all of the time. You definately have issues in your life that make you bitter and twisted so you target a player trying his best for the club. I'm suprised that some of you are allowed to have a computer at all in the institution, instead of the usual sheet of paper and wax crayons!
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RedRockets wrote:
U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?
So you are saying that people criticise Wilson for the sake of it? Nonsense.
It's a typical pro-Wilson view to make out that people pick on him for the fun of doing it. Not the case. I just genuinely don't think that he is good enough, based on the evidence of watching the guy play for Rovers for the past 3 and a half years. Mind you, it is quite an easy way of defending him isn't it; making out that everybody picks on him for the sake of it rather than actually providing an argument as to why he IS good enough to play in a Championship midfield.
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No argument would ever convince you VJ so what is the point of even asking that question. The fact that he has played at least 25 games for us this season says he is good enough to play in the championship. No amount of your dross can change that fact so you obviously don't know shit!
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pigeonhole wrote:
Shornton wrote:
John Buckley made a good comment on the commentary,\"people who dont know much about the game dont't like the boy Wilson\"
His words
John Buckley was a good player, wasn't he? And he's famous for spotting a talented player. Hang on...John Buckley? Jobbing footballer and crap girl's football coach...?
I don't see how his comments hold any more weight than us on here. Wilson is not a Championship quality footballer. If he sprinted after every ball, wound up the opposition and tackled with his face he'd be everyone's favourite player. Loyal and adequate yes. A skillful winner, no. I could forgive his lack of skill if he tackled with his face.
I think you wil find John is highly regarded for his coaching ability within the local area and nationally. Also John does an awful lot of work in the local community.
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VikingJames wrote:
RedRockets wrote:
U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?
So you are saying that people criticise Wilson for the sake of it? Nonsense.
It's a typical pro-Wilson view to make out that people pick on him for the fun of doing it. Not the case. I just genuinely don't think that he is good enough, based on the evidence of watching the guy play for Rovers for the past 3 and a half years. Mind you, it is quite an easy way of defending him isn't it; making out that everybody picks on him for the sake of it rather than actually providing an argument as to why he IS good enough to play in a Championship midfield.
In answer to your question - Yes YOU do. Every week.
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Filo wrote:
You see thats why your baffled, no one has said he`s the solution to our midfield problems, for the most part of the season he`s been a squad player, it`s only since Stock got injured and Gillet went back to Southampton that Wilson has got in the team. He`s not a flair player, he`s a grafter, someone who`s prepared to do the ugly things so that the flair players can do their stuff. He`s no world beater but he does a job and comes in for a lot of uncalled for stick
I dispute the first point for starters. Wilson has started 22 games this season. I find it very difficult to believe that we have had to use him as a last resort on 22 occasions, which would mean that Fortune/Stock/Gillett have all been out of the side for 22 out of our 38 games. Also, I remember a period in around December time when we had Wilson in the midfield alongside as Gillett, which sort of shows that Wilson has not been used as a last resort when Gillett etc weren't available (and I think for the Sheffield Wednesday home match, he was actually picked INSTEAD of Gillett!) So really, the view that he has been a bit part player/last resort is a bit of a myth.
And what exactly are these 'ugly' things that he does? Misses tackles and headers? Misplaces countless passes? I think 'he does the ugly stuff' is a bit of a cover up for the fact that he does very little.
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I seriously don't understand why people get on wilsons back and see him as some scapegoat when things go wrong. He's made one mistake tonight and it obviously was on his mind as his head dropped after that but upto then he was playing as well as anyone, and over the last few weeks has been playing really well. Other players gave the ball away far more then wilson tonight and you never hear their names mentioned. When JoC fell over the ball and managed to recover,if he hadn't and they had scored i can guarantee nobody would be on here knocking him, instead it would have been \"oh well it's one mistake when he's been brilliant all season\".
Some people are just never happy, were having a great season so stop bloody moaning.
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bigdonnyboy wrote:
No argument would ever convince you VJ so what is the point of even asking that question. The fact that he has played at least 25 games for us this season says he is good enough to play in the championship. No amount of your dross can change that fact so you obviously don't know shit!
No, I don't think that Mark Wilson is good enough. That is my opinion. It is the fact that you don't like hearing it that winds you up so much. I object to you referring to my opinion as dross, what makes your opinion any more truthful or more valued as mine? Nothing. It is just different to mine, and you just can't deal with the fact that I have a different view to you.
TheRev wrote:
In answer to your question - Yes YOU do. Every week.
Not for the sake of it at all. I don't think he is good enough, that is my opinion. Just because your opinion is full of sweetness and light doesn't make it any more true/untrue than mine.
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You just don't get it VJ , it doesn't matter if other players were unavailable to play. If Wilson isn't good enough to play in the Championship he just wouldn't get picked. Its that simple so why doesn't it sink into your brain, is there a problem with you or what?
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bigdonnyboy wrote:
You just don't get it VJ , it doesn't matter if other players were unavailable to play. If Wilson isn't good enough to play in the Championship he just wouldn't get picked. Its that simple so why doesn't it sink into your brain, is there a problem with you or what?
Ok, so I should change my view on a player purely on the basis that he has started 20 odd games this season?
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No you don't have to change your view at all, but your statement that he isn't good enough for the Championship doesn't hold up. The fact that he has regularly played for us at this level this season says he is , as does SOD with his selection. So you are basically saying our manager doesn't know what he is doing by picking Wilson. When SOD does finally move on i'm sure your name will be high on the new manager selection list especially with your sound knowledge and expertise of the game. (NOT!)
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bigdonnyboy wrote:
No you don't have to change your view at all, but your statement that he isn't good enough for the Championship doesn't hold up. The fact that he has regularly played for us at this level this season says he is , as does SOD with his selection. So you are basically saying our manager doesn't know what he is doing by picking Wilson. When SOD does finally move on i'm sure your name will be high on the new manager selection list especially with your sound knowledge and expertise of the game. (NOT!)
It shows that SOD sees the game differently to what I do. That's what it shows.
And as for the last part of your post, it may have been tongue-in-cheek, but what a ridiculous comment. Why bother having a forum then if everybody's opinion is a load of old rubbish just because they are not a qualified football coach.
And to answer the point, surely I'd be second in line for the job to you seen as though your view is so much more considered, and littered with expertise? Just a thought, as you clearly know better than me, so how can I possibly be first on the selection list?
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I think all the team played well tonight and they deserved something out of it. Wilson was one of the better players. He made a mistake lets get over it.
The ref was shite.
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Wrong again VJ , do you actually read my posts properly. I have never said that i know better than you, all i have done is state the facts. Think before you type and you may just get it right for once!
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bigdonnyboy wrote:
Wrong again VJ , do you actually read my posts properly. I have never said that i know better than you, all i have done is state the facts. Think before you type and you may just get it right for once!
Well you seem to think you do, otherwise you wouldn't argue with me would you?
What you basically said in the final statement of the previous post is that my 'knowledge and expertise of the game' is lacking due to the fact that we disagree over a player, and you followed this up by telling me that you never said you knew better than me. If anyone out of us two needs to think before they type, maybe you should have a look at your own posts.
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Wrong again as that statement isn't saying i know better than you, what it says is the facts and our managers selection speak volumes against your opinions. Try and twist this one as well VJ as you try to wiggle out of your hole.
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bigdonnyboy wrote:
Wrong again as that statement isn't saying i know better than you, what it says is the facts and our managers selection speak volumes against your opinions. Try and twist this one as well VJ as you try to wiggle out of your hole.
We're going round in circles.
There are no facts involved. Let's face it. SOD obviously sees Wilson in the same light as you, I see him differently. Nobody is wrong, it just so happens that I disagree with you (and our manager) on whether Wilson is good enough for this league. Just because I disagree with the manager doesn't mean I am wrong, as people have different views in football, hence the whole spectrum of different styles of football and styles of management that we see throughout football - everybody has a different view on certain aspects of the game, without there being a recognised right or wrong way.
And what are you talking about 'wiggle out of my hole'? For a start, I am not in a 'hole' just because I disagree with you, and also, it is you who has turned this into a petty argument, not me, but lets face it, nobody is 'in a hole' and that is why this debate is just going round in circles.
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VikingJames wrote:
It shows that SOD sees the game differently to what I do. That's what it shows.
And thank Christ for that. If its a toss up between you and hime for a view on football and a footballer's worth I think I know who's opinion I'd seek first, and who's opinion I'd seek last. Incidently... its SOD first, and SOD last
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Goodnight VJ, you are a true Donny supporter!
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VivaRovers wrote:
VikingJames wrote:
It shows that SOD sees the game differently to what I do. That's what it shows.
And thank Christ for that. If its a toss up between you and hime for a view on football and a footballer's worth I think I know who's opinion I'd seek first, and who's opinion I'd seek last. Incidently... its SOD first, and SOD last
We might aswell pack it in having a forum now then, seen as though everyone's opinions are worthless unless they are manager of a professional football team.
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bigdonnyboy wrote:
Goodnight VJ, you are a true Donny supporter!
Well he's been coming about same time i have, since we was a small conference team so, yeah i think he is.
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not a big fan of Wilson but up to the mistake I thought he was having a decent game.
getting fed up with where i sit - a small faction blame wilson for everything - if the pies ran out at half time it would be wilsons fault.
come on lads he wears the red and white hoops get behind the team as a whole lets not belittle ourselves and pick on one part of the team.
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Lets look at the midfield, where is Stock injured and has been for three quarters of the season, he has been missed. Gillett could not afford him, he played well when here. So we play Wilson who has good and bad games like all the others in midfield, easy target for supporters to pick on. If the club could afford better he would not be in the side. Was he worst than Butt or Guthrie no. Was he worst than the ineffective Woods, note playing with an injury and it shows, or the one trick pony Shiels no. These midfield players have got us were we are, individually they are punching above their weight but most of the time has a unit they play well. We missed the guile of Copps last night, only when he plays at his best. Our most consistent midfield player lately is Oster yet he can play the odd bad pass.These are the players we have, the board cannot afford better. Lets hope they have more good games than bad. Will we see Stock again, at his best, this season I doubt it. So its either Wilson or Hird for that role and Wilson is the better player.
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Oster MOM, just above Wilson and Chambers for me. Not sure what the beef is with Wilson all the time. His sloppy pass cost us, but you could then go on to say so did Sharp's miss in the 1st half. It's a team game in which individual errors cost you. Unfortunately it was Wilson tonight, but he was far from our worst player.
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steve@dcfd wrote:
Lets look at the midfield, where is Stock injured and has been for three quarters of the season, he has been missed. Gillett could not afford him, he played well when here. So we play Wilson who has good and bad games like all the others in midfield, easy target for supporters to pick on. If the club could afford better he would not be in the side. Was he worst than Butt or Guthrie no. Was he worst than the ineffective Woods, note playing with an injury and it shows, or the one trick pony Shiels no. These midfield players have got us were we are, individually they are punching above their weight but most of the time has a unit they play well. We missed the guile of Copps last night, only when he plays at his best. Our most consistent midfield player lately is Oster yet he can play the odd bad pass.These are the players we have, the board cannot afford better. Lets hope they have more good games than bad. Will we see Stock again, at his best, this season I doubt it. So its either Wilson or Hird for that role and Wilson is the better player.
Great post, particularly the bit about performing as a unit. We've seen in recent seasons its all about balance like when Spicer was introduced last year he gave us a lift (ironically at the expense of Wilson). For all their good players, I don't think Newcastle's midfield showed any of the cohesion that ours does. They just alternate between focussing on Routledge and Guitierrez (sp?). We need better than Wilson to progress, but he's not the only one we can apply that to. Until then he's performing well in a decent midfield and without looking I 'd say we have a healthy pts/game ratio when he plays (this season alone obviously!).
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Agreed, not a Wilson fan but he wasn't the only one who was poor. Now lets quit the bickering and hope we can regroup to batter them dingles Saturday! :D
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VikingJames wrote:
RedRockets wrote:
U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?
So you are saying that people criticise Wilson for the sake of it? Nonsense.
It's a typical pro-Wilson view to make out that people pick on him for the fun of doing it. Not the case. I just genuinely don't think that he is good enough, based on the evidence of watching the guy play for Rovers for the past 3 and a half years. Mind you, it is quite an easy way of defending him isn't it; making out that everybody picks on him for the sake of it rather than actually providing an argument as to why he IS good enough to play in a Championship midfield.
I agree with Viking James. He's not good enough, he's all we've got at the moment but come the summer, while we're sipping back a cold one, watching England limp to the 1/4 finals of the World Cup SO'D will be swooping for the next Richie Wellens.
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Anyone who can suggest that John Buckley doesn't amount to anything has already lost the debate. The ignorance that that comment displays is astounding. Rather undermines the rest of his points. As does the selective vision actually as well. Picking on one player without mentioning the weaknesses of others is simply personal and vindictive.
And that, my friends, is QED for that particular poster.
Cheers
BobG
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BobG wrote:
Anyone who can suggest that John Buckley doesn't amount to anything has already lost the debate. The ignorance that that comment displays is astounding. Rather undermines the rest of his points. As does the selective vision actually as well. Picking on one player without mentioning the weaknesses of others is simply personal and vindictive.
And that, my friends, is QED for that particular poster.
Cheers
BobG
Bob on...errr...Bob.
I remember the first time I clapped eyes on Buckley. Pre-season friendly at BV against Chelsea. He was up against Doug Rougvie at left back - just signed from Aberdeen after they'd won the Cup Winners Cup and he looked like there'd been a pure blood line of babby eating, nun-raping Vikings in his family since about 867. A proper throw back to the days when left backs had fewer teeth than brain cells and both could be counted on the fingers of one hypothermic mountaineer. Thighs like my chest and a chest big enough for 15 men to go yo-ho-ho on.
Buckley made him look a right tit.
Buckley had tricks in his locker that were unheard of in them days. There was one moment down by the Rosso End when he switched the ball from foot to foot like they were pinball flippers. Rougvie didn't have a clue if he was going inside or outside him, so he dived straight through the middle and was left on his arse grunting and scratching his Norse/Scots stubble as our elegant John waltzed past him and into the box.
'Course the likes of Coppinger do that in their sleep these days, but back in them Miners' Strike days, that were a proper flash of flashness in Donny.
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Didn't visit the forum yesterday but just knew there'd be a \"Wilson\" thread. I was absolutely gutted that it was his pass that lead to the goal. My husband came to the game but didn't sit near me. He barely knows one player from another and he picked Wilson out as one of our better players. He supports Newcastle and he agrees they they got the rub of the green from the officials. I agree he's not our best player but he comes in for so much stick people feel the need to stick up for him.
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Wilson lost us the match with that amature pass end of!
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Ha - well rounded agruement.........
But untrue...
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BST Wrote:
\"I remember the first time I clapped eyes on Buckley. Pre-season friendly at BV against Chelsea.\"
When was that matey? My first game was a pre-season match at BV against Chelsea, my mate (at the time was mascot) and we took an early lead before losing 4-2 (I think but could be very wrong). I think the next game was a friendly V Wolves, I remember almost sh!tting mesen running back home to Intake over the Fire Station Field seemingly being chased by thousand of Chelsea thugs - undeniably untrue now looking back, but was scary as a 5-8 year old!