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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Sif on April 04, 2010, 01:53:38 am
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Discuss.
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Nah.
E iz jus chillin', innit.
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Apparently Wenger has been farming him out in the hope that he will become a better player and get more involved in the play. I was talking to an Arsenal STH at work who works with a JET relation. JET has been bollocked several times by the coaching staff at Arsenal for not getting more involved in the play. JET doesn't like being talked to in what he considers a 'dissing' way, and gets the hump quite easily. Apparently he can be a mardy bugger very easily. Send him packing, and soon.
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He's very good when he's on the ball but doesn't do nearly enough running off it for a side like us- or Arsenal. Still, I recall the same comments being made by Blackpool fans about him.
At the moment we haven't much choice but to play him, but maybe if we send him back to Arsenal a bit better player then it will pay dividends. A young Nicklas Bendtner type (only a better finisher!) on a season-long loan perhaps?
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i have to admit for a talented lad he is quite lazy. However hopefully SoD can change that in him.
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the important thing from my perspective is that he IS improving. he chased a couple of balls down yesterday that when he first came to the club....he wouldnt have even bothered trying.
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I'm not that impressed as of yet but he's young and has obviously got some talent.
My only issue is that he doesn't do enough of the basic things that we are all use to with a SOS team.
Maybe it will lead to something bigger and better coming from Arsenal next season.
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If we play tomorrow like we did yesterday it will certainly be a SOS team.:-)
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Very good - that's coz I've got fingers like Pig's T1ts today lol
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He`s lazy, he doesn`t fit into our work ethic, we carry him for 80% of the game in the hope that he can produce a bit of matchwinning magic. Unless he works harder he`s no chance of breaking into the Arsenal first team
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It's a tricky one for SO'D. If at nineteen he doesn't have the enthusiasm to chase everything, is he ever going to have it? Enthusiasm isn't something that you train into somebody they've either got it or they haven't. With yougsters it's usually the other side of the coin that you face, trying to direct their boundless energy and desire.
So what do you do if you're Sean O'Driscoll? Stick with him and hope you can make something of him or send him packing and risk making him the last Arsenal loanee we ever see.
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i_ateallthepies wrote:
So what do you do if you're Sean O'Driscoll? Stick with him and hope you can make something of him or send him packing and risk making him the last Arsenal loanee we ever see.
based entirely on the fact that our squad is obviously lacking at the moment, so playoffs more than likely will not happen, and we definitely arent going to go down, i say stick with him.
if this was at the start of the season and we were struggling for results i'd say drop him.
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I'm starting to lose sight as to where his talent and potential is. Yeah he scored that great goal against Derby, but since Peterborough he's been terrible, he looks like he can be quick just doesn't bother, he has got energy just doesn't want to use it and when he gets it doesn't want it pass it (like yesterday, in second half took a shot from out side box when gaz roberts was in space to his left)
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I remember Skellow Rover shouting down someone on here a week or so ago saying as we'd not seen all his games we were not able to comment.
Just out of interest I'd like to know SR's comments on JET now. Has his opinion changed at all on what we've seen?
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Yes he is!
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Another top drawer lazy performance from him today and definitely not a team player!
Never make it in the Premiership!
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SkellowRover wrote:
Some idiot on the other thread called RedRockets who has hardly posted on here said JET has never had a good game for us. I had to put him right, he obviously is an amchair fan who just goes to \"big\" matches and has only seen him once (yesterday) and made his judgement on that, because he couldnt have been at Ashton Gate where JET ran the show and was even applauded off the pitch by the brizzle fans.
Well he's still only had one good game then.
Time to say to Arsene - Non merci.....
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I mentioned this after the barnsley game that JET was a lazy sod only to be told he's raw talent,hes young etc, cant comment on todays game as had to work. No matter how good he can be when he can be botherd, as a team we can't carry someone who doesn't graft his pervebials off for 90 mins unlike Billy and James Hayter,. Like i said before time to send him back.
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We need him to make up the numbers. We're struggling as it is.
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I have previously stated my concerns regarding his effort and commitment. I still have them. I would rather give Heffs a run out than keep this guy.
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Adam wrote:
We need him to make up the numbers. We're struggling as it is.
We don't need him making up numbers I'm afraid. He's a lazy, good for nothing liability. When the ball isn't coming his way he just ambles about the pitch, not putting in anywhere near enough effort or commitment into getting forward enough. It seems to me that he's just out to make up the numbers and take whatever he's being paid. Not good enough for DRFC.
Mind you, didn't someone once say that about Kevin Keegan when he trialed for us?! ;)
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Sorry folks, have to disagree and agree in some parts.
IMO, JET is the most talented player at our club. There is only Copps that comes close.
I agree, I would be reluctant to play him, if we were in a relegation dogfight.
The frustration is him not getting in the game more. He's clearly not used to the responsibilities/system, and it might be we have to adjust slightly to accomodate him. He needs to shout, wave his arms and demand the ball. I would say when he has the ball it creates holy shit amongst the opposition.
Like yesterday, he does skills to get past players I have never seen at DRFC. He has a left foot shot to die for.
We are safe now, we were as good as safe when he came. I personally hope he's here for a full season for our next campaign. I think Sean will take us on further with players like this, plus others.
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CusworthRovers wrote:
Sorry folks, have to disagree and agree in some parts.
IMO, JET is the most talented player at our club. There is only Copps that comes close.
I agree, I would be reluctant to play him, if we were in a relegation dogfight.
The frustration is him not getting in the game more. He's clearly not used to the responsibilities/system, and it might be we have to adjust slightly to accomodate him. He needs to shout, wave his arms and demand the ball. I would say when he has the ball it creates holy shit amongst the opposition.
Like yesterday, he does skills to get past players I have never seen at DRFC. He has a left foot shot to die for.
We are safe now, we were as good as safe when he came. I personally hope he's here for a full season for our next campaign. I think Sean will take us on further with players like this, plus others.
You`ve been on the swamp juice again haven`t you?
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We all thought Blackpool fans were a bit mad with there comments about Jet but in reality they are right.I have been told that Arsenal have sent him out on loan this season as they knew he doesnt get involved enough and have not been able to get through to him and they hoped these loans would do that..
His early goals masked his real performance,he is not premier league class and nor will he ever be,Although he has talent you can almost see where his career will go Arsenal will run out of patience and he will be snapped up by a gratefull championship club and if he is not carefull and starts putting a shift in will find himself drifting down the leagues very fast...
Personally i would have sent him back at the end of his first loan as he is draining the Rovers pot for no apparent benefit.I never moan at poor players who are trying hard,but JET will waste the talent given him..
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For those of you old enough to remember he is very similar to a player we had as a youngster at BV. He too was thought shite by most of our fans and when we sold him to Sheffield United they would have been very happy to have got a set of shirts for him never mind any money.
He later went on to play for England. (Brian Deane) so there is hope for the lad plus maybe it also shows what we know!
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Wellred wrote:
For those of you old enough to remember he is very similar to a player we had as a youngster at BV. He too was thought shite by most of our fans and when we sold him to Sheffield United they would have been very happy to have got a set of shirts for him never mind any money.
He later went on to play for England. (Brian Deane) so there is hope for the lad plus maybe it also shows what we know!
Absolute fanny,i used to watch BD when he played as a junior Rovers on Edlington welfare,the only thing JET has in common with him is his colour,BD was all over the pitch when in comparison
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The point I was trying to make was that Rovers supporters never rated Brian Deane.
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Old Popsider wrote:
Adam wrote:
We need him to make up the numbers. We're struggling as it is.
We don't need him making up numbers I'm afraid. He's a lazy, good for nothing liability. When the ball isn't coming his way he just ambles about the pitch, not putting in anywhere near enough effort or commitment into getting forward enough. It seems to me that he's just out to make up the numbers and take whatever he's being paid. Not good enough for DRFC.
Mind you, didn't someone once say that about Kevin Keegan when he trialed for us?! ;)
I'd rather have 6 subs than 5. We're struggling for numbers, JET has shown what he's capable enough on more than one occasion, he's just a raw talent that needs nurturing. Whether that be at his parent club or ours, I'm not too bothered but I'm happy to keep him because he's another option. Something we're running out of at the moment.
Same can be said about Mutch.
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Adam wrote:
I'd rather have 6 subs than 5. We're struggling for numbers, JET has shown what he's capable enough on more than one occasion, he's just a raw talent that needs nurturing. Whether that be at his parent club or ours, I'm not too bothered but I'm happy to keep him because he's another option. Something we're running out of at the moment.
Same can be said about Mutch.
Spot on, Adam.
Mutch and JET have some of the tools to be top players, but not all of them yet, which is why they are with us - for experience, to let SOD work a bit of his ways on them, and to develop in a different environment. Calling them is harsh. OK, they can be frustrating, but its often because we have all become accustomed to the \"rovers machine\" working perfectly, and these guys are not yet perfect.
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Wellred wrote:
The point I was trying to make was that Rovers supporters never rated Brian Deane.
Hands up, i was one of them, me and my pal still talk of how we pi$$ed ourselves when we heard they were paying 40k for Deane and then looked on in amazement at what he went on to achieve.
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I'd still sign JET on a season long next year. He's got ability and will only get better. SOD can mould him into a top player, just think how others have improved during their time here (Sharp, Coppinger, Woods, Stock, Oster) all shown quick improvement with long term here. I'd like to see JET here longer.
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CusworthRovers wrote:
Sorry folks, have to disagree and agree in some parts.
IMO, JET is the most talented player at our club. There is only Copps that comes close.
I agree, I would be reluctant to play him, if we were in a relegation dogfight.
The frustration is him not getting in the game more. He's clearly not used to the responsibilities/system, and it might be we have to adjust slightly to accomodate him. He needs to shout, wave his arms and demand the ball. I would say when he has the ball it creates holy shit amongst the opposition.
Like yesterday, he does skills to get past players I have never seen at DRFC. He has a left foot shot to die for.
We are safe now, we were as good as safe when he came. I personally hope he's here for a full season for our next campaign. I think Sean will take us on further with players like this, plus others.
Agreed.
He's a raw talent and plenty on here seem to want to throw him on the scrap heap - he aint a 34 year old in the final throes of his career you know.
Some players are blessed with fantastic skill that can turn a game in an instant, some with a fantastic workrate - rarely do you get both in one player. We are lucky we have been in a position where we can experiment with JET.
Give SOD/ ROK time and they'll get more 'teamwork ethic' out of him, because thats all thats missing.
Like BFYP above, I hope he's here next season, with one or two other talented Arsenal youngsters.
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He's got a nice car though. I saw a silver Bentley 555JET in the Blackpool car park so I'm guessing its his, not bad for a 19 year old.
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colfromdonny wrote:
He's got a nice car though. I saw a silver Bentley 555JET in the Blackpool car park so I'm guessing its his, not bad for a 19 year old.
I made the same mistake when I saw it pull up at the front of the Rovers club shop at 11:50 Sat' morning, until JR himself got out.
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Perhaps JR could flog him the plate about 1.5 million could buy us a pretty decent striker, ;)
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thinking of other players we have had who were talented but not exactly renowned for puting a shift in, one name comes to mind immediately, Colin Cramb. Never noticeably running when he could walk, the big difference between Cramey & JET being that when Cramb got the ball, inevitabley he would create something - either for himself or a teamate. I dont think Sean will be able to turn JET into Usian Bolt, Billy Sharp or even Brian Dean - but if he can get him to use his talent as well as Colin Cramb, he will definately be an assest to the team.
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I think we all agree about the raw talent.
One thing that all great footballers possess is a fantastic work rate. They all work their b*llocks off for their team.
There is no excuse for any footballer not to work hard. It's a lesson that he will have to take on board early otherwise he will become an also ran before too long.
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colfromdonny wrote:
He's got a nice car though. I saw a silver Bentley 555JET in the Blackpool car park so I'm guessing its his, not bad for a 19 year old.
He's got a McLaren F1 with a broken windscreen
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I think JET undoubtedly has bags and bags of talent. The thing that frustrates me with him is that he tries to do too much when he gets the ball. It's ok beating 2 players with fantastic skill, but if you get to the byline/into the penalty area and then give the ball away, the bit before where you beat 2 players has gone to waste, and that is the bit that I think SOD needs to coach into him while he is here.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
One thing that all great footballers possess is a fantastic work rate. They all work their b*llocks off for their team.
Would you have classed Lineker as a great footballer?
Personally I dont think Lineker worked his balls off for his teams...but great footballer nonetheless.
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
One thing that all great footballers possess is a fantastic work rate. They all work their b*llocks off for their team.
Maradonna, Cantona and Glen Hoddle to name but two fat lazy b*****ds and one skinny one. The significant difference being that they all were GREAT footballers and JET has yet to prove himself in that league - or even the three divisions below it. The important thing for me is that there is potential for improvement with him, lets hope that we get the opportunity to benefit from that.
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There's been plenty of supremely talented yet idle footballers over the years. Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles (sometimes), Duncan Mackenzie, Matt LeTisssier to name only four. They all survived on their talent - and were worshipped by the fans of the teams they played for - even if it did not impress the really great sides and the England management. This JET character could be another one of those. What really struck me about him is the unbelievable difficulty opponents have in getting the ball off him when he's got it under control. Remember Derby? Three of 'em sinmply bounced off him on one occasion. He's never going to be a hard worker. It's not in his nature. So whether he succeeds or fails is down the coaching he gets and whether or not he listens to it. If SOD can make something of him, he'll have made a friend for life sown at the Emirates. That can't be bad for us can it? I'd stick with him - despite his really irritating attitude. He wouldn't make a championship winning side - but we're never going to be one of those are we? So stick with him, enjoy the occasional flash of brilliance and pray that SOD can get through to him. What's it going to cost us? Not very much really is it?
Cheers
BobG
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True, definitely 'work in progress'.
Some players mentioned worked harder than what they get credit for, it's just that they made it look easy. (Practice, practice, practice. The more you pactice the luckier you get)
JET could be on of the deceptive type players but you have to do the basics and as long as he wants to keep learning he'll be ok.
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Sif wrote:
Discuss.
Discussed I would say 42 posts not bad ... jusry still out ... 50/50 ok move on and let us reconvene in 2 years to see who was right !
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
True, definitely 'work in progress'.
Some players mentioned worked harder than what they get credit for, it's just that they made it look easy. (Practice, practice, practice. The more you pactice the luckier you get)
JET could be on of the deceptive type players but you have to do the basics and as long as he wants to keep learning he'll be ok.
Certainly gave more to the team today v WBA, was one of our better players as far as Im concerned.
Maybe the SOD/ROK magic is starting to work on JET already??
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In the first half he gave no cover to Chambers on number of occasions by not tracking back but in the second half he played much better.
Also thought his performance was a big improvement on recent showings. Keep it up lad.
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He scored a good goal too. And his passing was impressive.
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Yep, definitely improved today and that goal was a pearler as well.
It's easy to see him as a bit lazy I think when you've got Chambers, Oster and O'Connor who work their collective nuts off every game.
I WOULD like to see what he can do when he really gets excited though! (Not gay) :lol:
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Fickle bas**rds.
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still no sure what to say about JET. I thought he had a terrible game today, but then went and score a really nice goal. If he carries on playing shit and still scoring, would I have him in the team? YES. If he carries on and scores no more, bring back Lewis Guy! ;)
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General opinion now?
Scored a great individual goal yesterday, and, shock horro, worked pretty hard - tracking back, covering for Copps a number of times when he was out of position.
Cant tackle for toffee, but he's putting the effort in and anyone would have been hard pushed to argue with his workrate yesterday. Scunny defence, as like many others, were scared stiff of him.
I hope Arsenal let us loan him again for next season - preferably a season long deal.
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When he gets the ball, he drags four or five of the opposition towards him then plays a simple pass. He really pulls defences apart. and he's awkward to handle as I am sure defenders don't know whether to man mark him or let him roam.
He's a dangerous player; shame people only notice his work ethic and not his actual attributes.
And five goals for us in a time were we are struggling to score, in all areas.
I say we should do what ever it takes to keep him.
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
When he gets the ball, he drags four or five of the opposition towards him then plays a simple pass. He really pulls defences apart. and he's awkward to handle as I am sure defenders don't know whether to man mark him or let him roam.
He's a dangerous player; shame people only notice his work ethic and not his actual attributes.
And five goals for us in a time were we are struggling to score, in all areas.
I say we should do what ever it takes to keep him.
He seems to have been working on his team play, one of my main criticisms earlier in this thread was that he didn't play as part of the team.
From what's been said elsewhere, perhaps now he's had a while training under the SO'D ethics of football, he might be getting more team orientated rather than just a one man band. If so, and his strike rate stays good and improves, then opinion could be swayed and he be given a chance for full pre-season training with SO'D & RO'K and the rest of the team. Then play him and see what happens.
Subject to Mr. Wenger's approval Rovers could take him on a season long loan maybe. After all, Arsenal of the South do have a huge pool of players to choose from and maybe it may be beneficial for both clubs to have JET here to help improve his all round abilities. And of course Rovers benefit from a pairing of JET and Billy (if we can get him here permanently that is.)
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Lazy not, perhaps a little relaxed at times but we can work on him during the close season if we get the chance.
Some need a new no.1 enemy now that Guy is on his way, others think he is potentially a very good player.........I am in the latter camp.
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hoolahoop wrote:
Lazy not, perhaps a little relaxed at times but we can work on him during the close season if we get the chance.
Some need a new no.1 enemy now that Guy is on his way, others think he is potentially a very good player.........I am in the latter camp.
A little too relaxed for my liking at times. As you say and I've already said, given the chance our coaches should be able to mould him into an asset for the team.
And what's 'camping' got to do with it eh?.....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Old Popsider wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
Lazy not, perhaps a little relaxed at times but we can work on him during the close season if we get the chance.
Some need a new no.1 enemy now that Guy is on his way, others think he is potentially a very good player.........I am in the latter camp.
A little too relaxed for my liking at times. As you say and I've already said, given the chance our coaches should be able to mould him into an asset for the team.
And what's 'camping' got to do with it eh?.....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Or maybe he can teach our coaches a thing or two? Its not all about tracking back and getting behind the ball, when you are lethal where it matters.
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
Old Popsider wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
Lazy not, perhaps a little relaxed at times but we can work on him during the close season if we get the chance.
Some need a new no.1 enemy now that Guy is on his way, others think he is potentially a very good player.........I am in the latter camp.
A little too relaxed for my liking at times. As you say and I've already said, given the chance our coaches should be able to mould him into an asset for the team.
And what's 'camping' got to do with it eh?.....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Or maybe he can teach our coaches a thing or two? Its not all about tracking back and getting behind the ball, when you are lethal where it matters.
Excellent point, to do the unexpected and moreover direct thing is not the usual thing you first think of when you think of our playing style, perhaps you are right.
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I'd say he has proven wrong everyone who said he doesn't work hard now. He's clearly worked on his effort in games, he even goes up or headers most of the time too.
He is a brilliant player with the ball at his feet, can make great things out of absolutely nothing. I hope he comes back here next season.
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RoversAlias wrote:
I'd say he has proven wrong everyone who said he doesn't work hard now. He's clearly worked on his effort in games, he even goes up or headers most of the time too.
He is a brilliant player with the ball at his feet, can make great things out of absolutely nothing. I hope he comes back here next season.
I wouldn't say he's proved everyone wrong - until yesterday he has been the laziest player on the pitch. What I would say he had definately improved in that aspect and it showed yesterday.
And no-one really doubted his unbelievable tekkers :P
(http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/images/tekkers.jpg)