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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: nice one rovers on April 10, 2010, 06:28:02 pm
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Did anyone else feel a bit ashamed watching the thuggery of South Yorkshire Police towards a few excited WBA fans, can't help thinking that we'd have been celebrating in just the same manner if we'd just been guaranteed promotion. Made me feel sick to watch, took me right back to 1984-85, D**k on the mic wasn't helping much either.
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When have we ever invaded a pitch like that away from home? Fair enough on your own patch.
They were warned enough times, and several tried to make their way over to goad the Donny fans. If you go onto the pitch after being told not to, you suffer what happens next. I would expect those arrested to recieve banning orders. They knew the risk before they went on.
Like I said, at your own stadium its different. Alot less chance of confrontation.
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Were there arrests then? Left just as they ran on the pitch.
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A few by the look of it, but it was watching 3 police and 3 stewards bouncing up and down on a 14-16 year old skinny kidetc. which sickens, unneeded. Left alone they'd have run on, congratulated their team, sung a bit and gone home. Frosty you're talking like a t*t once more.
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Am I really. I could see a potential Millwall type situation had the Police not got involved. Maybe it is you talking like the tit.
The law says you don't go onto the pitch. Going onto the pitch you have broken the law. Understand?
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ask the female coppers who were punched and thrown around
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You' re right,I'm sorry, consider me piped down. Just seen too many innocent people kicked and truncheoned to many times to let it lie. Once again sorry, Yours Sunshine.
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nice one rovers wrote:
You' re right,I'm sorry, consider me piped down. Just seen too many innocent people kicked and truncheoned to many times to let it lie. Once again sorry, Yours Sunshine.
Sorry, im not trying to turn it into an argument, but there were some flashpoints which could have boiled over had the Police not got involved.
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And I fully retract my tit accusations.
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nice one rovers wrote:
Did anyone else feel a bit ashamed watching the thuggery of South Yorkshire Police towards a few excited WBA fans, can't help thinking that we'd have been celebrating in just the same manner if we'd just been guaranteed promotion. Made me feel sick to watch, took me right back to 1984-85, D**k on the mic wasn't helping much either.
Nope - didnt feel ashamed at all.
What part of \" Do not trespass onto the pitch\" do those numbskulls understand? They were warned enough times - if they choose to not heed the ample warnings then they are fair game to be dealt with accordingly.
Id also like to know how a vast number of their support got away with standing throughout the entire game - are we allowed to stand throughout at The Keepmoat now then?
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Were any Rovers fans involved in these flashpoints? These West Brom fans before todays game seemed to think we were naughty! :laugh:
All i'll say is that people really shouldn't go to Doncaster expecting to walk around like you own the place - they have a very active element within their support who will not take kindly to it.
Doncaster were a Conference club not so long back and that level has quite bad hooligan problems.
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To be honest away from home I think it is quite disrespectful to the opposition club if you do it there and could potentially lead to real problems. As Rowley says Doncaster have had their problems with a hooligan element and they may not take too kindly to opposition running around like they own the place, anyone who dismisses them as little old Donny and that they wont mind could be in for a big surprise.
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As for Doncasters hooligan element, like most small northern towns, not to be taken lightly. Theres not many of them but what they have are close knit. Speaking to a steward at Middlesbrough earlier this season he was saying biggest problem they have had in recent years is with Doncaster.
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Stewards trying to treat an injured person were set upon by some fans aswell. Fully deserved the reaction by police IMO, no need at all to go on the pitch.
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Rigoglioso wrote:
Frosty yet again exaggerating beyond belief. Never seen that before have we? :blink:
There was never ever any risk of a Millwall type situation happening today. Some West Brom fans got over-excited and wanted to get on the pitch to celebrate with their team, whilst the majority of Rovers fans had already left the stadium by the time they did get on the pitch.
The whole atmosphere was a bit of a carnivalesque one and there was a party mood towards proceedings. At no time did it ever look to me like it was going to kick-off between both sets of fans and lead to mass disorder.
Regarding the isolated incidents with stewards/police/WBA fans as they entered the pitch, then I agree they were warned plenty of times not to enter the pitch. However, some Albion fans chose to, and whilst there was probably some arrests and small clashes with stewards trying to stop them, it will have taken the shine off what was a wonderful day to be a West Brom fan. The way the clashes seemed to escalate were mainly down to the fact if one WBA fan/Steward/Copper were in a battle with another WBA/Steward/Copper, more people from the same party would get involved and it was more a case of safety in numbers.
I suspect some of those fans who were caught and arrested (or those who will be later identified from TV footage as causing problems on the pitch) may get banning orders if they are found - whether people agree/disagree with that is another issue as its the law! It's silly in many ways because although we all get carried away at times, by entering the pitch some of those WBA fans have given the old bill the opportunity to slap a punishment on them of a banning order, taking away something they enjoy massively.
I can see why some WBA fans got carried away with the moment and went onto the pitch, likewise I can see why the club wanted them off the pitch. All in all, once the majority of WBA fans were on the pitch (and the stewards/coppers knew they had effectively lost that battle), I thought the stewards/coppers did a good enough job of slowly shepherding them back to their seats.
Rigo, the comments from other people in this thread will prove to you that i'm not exaggerating. Now why don't you climb down from your fcking high horse pal. If you have some kind of problem with what I write on here, I'll give you two options.
1. Ignore it and don't reply or make reference to anything I post.
2. Have a chat with me on a match day, and explain why you seem to go out of your way to disagree or pick fault with everything I say.
Its getting tiresome.
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The WBA team did not help matters by going over like they did. They should have waited a few mins and gone over and applauded the fans after things had calmed down.
A couple of points-
Why did they let the dick head who got on the pitch first waltz around and then and then get back into the crowd. They should have made an axample of him so the other knew what would happen.
What was the WBA player thinking about giving a pitch invader his shirt?
There was a number of their fans more interested in goading our fans then celerbating while on the pitch and I agree thing could have taken a turn for the worse.
I had a go at some our fans. I asked them why they were applauding their fans on the pitch and it was \"beacause they have gone up.\" They seemed taken aback when I told them to clap those still in their seats then, they deserve it!
I would be happy for any of those on the pitch to have the book thrown at them. It may may upset some on here, but I would say the same if it was our own fans. There a a little double standards here as many of our own have been on the pich at times and I wasn@t happy with them then too1
Rant over. :scarf:
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Stu The Tickhill Red wrote:
The WBA team did not help matters by going over like they did. They should have waited a few mins and gone over and applauded the fans after things had calmed down.
A couple of points-
Why did they let the dick head who got on the pitch first waltz around and then and then get back into the crowd. They should have made an axample of him so the other knew what would happen.
What was the WBA player thinking about giving a pitch invader his shirt?
There was a number of their fans more interested in goading our fans then celerbating while on the pitch and I agree thing could have taken a turn for the worse.
I had a go at some our fans. I asked them why they were applauding their fans on the pitch and it was \"beacause they have gone up.\" They seemed taken aback when I told them to clap those still in their seats then, they deserve it!
I would be happy for any of those on the pitch to have the book thrown at them. It may may upset some on here, but I would say the same if it was our own fans. There a a little double standards here as many of our own have been on the pich at times and I wasn@t happy with them then too1
Rant over. :scarf:
I think if you invade your own pitch then fair enough really, and is generally accepted. Doing at another stadium, and then going to goad the home fans is not on.
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Stu The Tickhi
I would be happy for any of those on the pitch to have the book thrown at them. It may may upset some on here, but I would say the same if it was our own fans. There a a little double standards here as many of our own have been on the pich at times and I wasn@t happy with them then too1
Rant over. :scarf:[/quote]
Here, here! At last someone with a bit of sense, i got pissed with our fans who ran on to the pitch when we won the Conference Play off at Stoke city as they spoilt the Rovers celebrations, it pisses me off when fans run on to the pitch when they are clearly told not to do it.
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No sympathy from me. It really pisses me off when idiots feel it necessary to ignore all warnings and run onto the pitch,probably in a bid to get on the telly.
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Where have I moaned in this thread. Stop being a tool.
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Bloody hell, do you really expect, when the WBA lot had been told numerous times not to encroach, that the police and stewards are going to just stand there like mugs with smiles on their faces thinking 'it's only a bit of fun' when they do? Get real.
If they don't act when warnings have been given it encourages the kind of t**t who thinks it's a good idea to go on the pitch that any warning in future will have no consequences either.
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Alot on their forum are calling for them to be named. Just seen Sky Sports News, and identifying them shouldn't be a problem.
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There were ample warnings but really the stewards and police ought to have been better prepared to 'repel boarders' so to speak.
It was inevitable that they were going to do it I think.
As always, 'if you can't do the time, don't do the crime' applies to the situation.
If the police were guilty of heavy handedness then that's a separate matter in my book.
Just my 2p worth! B)
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I seem to recall that West Brom staff would not let the Reading players go over and celebrate with their supporters after knocking them out the FA cup and there were some quite unsavoury scenes at the end of that match. Fast forward to today, maybe our club should have insisted that their players head straight down the tunnel at the final whistle too! They only seemeed to head onto the pitch once their players went over to that stand.
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MrFrost wrote:
Where have I moaned in this thread. Stop being a tool.
pot.......kettle.......black I shall let you both fill in the gaps there children
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Who rattled your cage?
I was merely pointing out a fact to Rigo.
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Sorry didnt realise it was your own personal thread/forum, although you do appear to be trying to make it that.
If you dont like people pointing out that you are contradicting yourself by moaning about people moaning about you moaning - post something interesting for a change
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This thread had nothing to do with moaning until Rigo made it that. If he wants to nit pick, thats his problem.
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Geesh whats with all the donny fans argueing together!? We're all Rovers fans for god sake.. We just gave a good performance against a premier league team.. Things are looking very bright for The Rovers. Lets get behind the boys as one.
RTID
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Here here Tom. Tell leedshayter that aswell!
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Jesus wept, mr frost. Are so so f**king stupid, a Millwall situation?
There were hardly any Rovers fans left in the stadium.
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Yawn
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If it's passed your bedtime Mr Frost, maybe you should consider falling into the arms of Morpheus.
But trying to invoke a situation, when nothing existed is pure flimflammery.
If I was being kind to you I'd say you were being a muppet.
However being a sarcastic old git, I'd say you were a f**king pillock, who trys to hard to look at this from a negative perspective.
But if your yawning obviously your empty bed is calling
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Maybe if you read what others witnessed, including WBA fans on their own forum you would realise it had potential to kick off.
Or maybe you can't read?
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So the goading of our fans and assault of police women and stewards would do nothing to escalate trouble?
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I don't read other fans forums, I've have a life outside of the T'interweb.
However explain to me how it could have the potential to kick off, when there were hardly any rovers fans left in the satadium.
I was there 15 mins after the final whistle and still got home quicker than any game this season.
Logic dictates that 3000 WBA fans were still in the stadium....9000 Rovers were already on there way home.
Can I ask Mr Frost if you are a journalist for the Sun, because your grasp of facts and logic would make you an ideal candidate to be their policital correspondant............ :laugh:
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On the contrary. There were plenty of our fans remaining in the west stand towards the away end.
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Whilst I agree with most of your reading of the situation rigo, lets think outide the box, and for Mr Frost that means looking at if from a different view, not from the centre circle.... :laugh:
If we were in the same position of WBA, winning away would you try to to celebrate, even if it meant running on to the pitch. In my view, Mr Shouty Man, issued an ultimatum, don't invade the pitch!!!!!!!. Not just once but on at least four occasions.
Sometimes you have to learn to let go Mr Frost
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Plenty ?
Did you count them all ?
You are all bluff and bluster
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I don't care what you think pal. I don't see your point either. You just seem pathetic. Good night.
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redwine wrote:
Plenty ?
Did you count them all ?
You are all bluff and bluster
It could have easily kicked off. Stewards assaulted, objects thrown into the west stand. If more fans had stayed behind it certainly would have.
I can only assume you stayed behind with your eyes shut me old mucker.
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Typical isn't it.
Confuse you with logic and you run off.
Let's face it, you are a prize moron. Unfortunately I've followed your posts with increasing incredulity.
I'd insult you even more if I could, but the only thing I could think of is...\"GLORY SUPPORTER\"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Glory supporter i'm not you fool. Proud to say I was there in the dark days. I doubt the same could be said about you.
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redwine wrote:
Typical isn't it.
Confuse you with logic and you run off.
Let's face it, you are a prize moron. Unfortunately I've followed your posts with increasing incredulity.
I'd insult you even more if I could, but the only thing I could think of is...\"GLORY SUPPORTER\"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Look pal, your making yourself look a prize prick. Why not post about something relevant, instead of trying to ridicule other fans. Your the moron from what I can see.
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Ooohhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought you'd said goodbye...........You little liar, now we know we can't believe anything you post.
I guess a Mr Frost promise is like a Conservative election manifesto
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Ahh Ad, one of Mr Frost's bitches by any chance?
The point I was trying to make was that Jack Frost had no point
He took exception to the fact and I rebutted
It's all banter
If he or you can't take it.....then that's not my fault
But let's face it from his previous posts here I'd give him the ultimate insult which would be......I'd rather read a Carling post
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There's banter and there's being a t**t.
You are the latter.
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redwine wrote:
Ooohhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought you'd said goodbye...........You little liar, now we know we can't believe anything you post.
I guess a Mr Frost promise is like a Conservative election manifesto
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I like how you reckon you can speak for everyone else, what is this 'we' business?
At the end of the day, with a modest 31 posts of which a fair percentage seem to be a vendetta against a fellow Rovers supporter. Add to that the frankly ridiculous over use of a smiley face Icon, and it appears you yourself have very little of anything constructive to post.
Oh for an 'ignore' button.
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redwine wrote:
Ahh Ad, one of Mr Frost's bitches by any chance?
The point I was trying to make was that Jack Frost had no point
He took exception to the fact and I rebutted
It's all banter
If he or you can't take it.....then that's not my fault
But let's face it from his previous posts here I'd give him the ultimate insult which would be......I'd rather read a Carling post
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Listen. I don't know where you've sprung from, and frankly I dont care. Alot of people are aware I might moan about some things, but I take other people's opinions onboard.
You've come on here with what appears to be an agenda to have a go.
Grow up mate.
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Is this the same thin white duke who gloryied in the word association games in the early days of the reincarnation of the VSC forum.
Ohh for the want of an ignore button.
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\"are you carling in disguise? are you carling in disguise....\"
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The only agenda I have Jack, is the fact that you have tried to inflame a situation that never existed.
Either that or you crap yourself when a rival supporter comes within 40 yds of yourself.
Let me say this, take time to take to them, you'll find them just like yourself.
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(I know overuse of the smiley but that was for Mr Jones)
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lol.........Carling?
If only I could drink as much and be able use syntax as well
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redwine wrote:
The only agenda I have Jack, is the fact that you have tried to inflame a situation that never existed.
Either that or you crap yourself when a rival supporter comes within 40 yds of yourself.
Let me say this, take time to take to them, you'll find them just like yourself.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(I know overuse of the smiley but that was for Mr Jones)
The situation did exist. It happened.
I think it effected you more than you are letting on. A classic case of denial.
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redwine wrote:
Is this the same thin white duke who gloryied in the word association games
Im sure you meant glorified. Glorifying what exactly? What are you talking about? Are you mental / simple/ drunk/ drugged? A combination of all four?
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So much for what I said earlier.
Youve got to love us Donny fans lol
RTID
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Jesus fcuking christ there's some fcuking sad old rovers fans out there isn't there? West Brom just got promoted to the premier league and their fans celebrate that fact. Oh dear thay went onto the pitch, and that is against the law don't you know, you sad fcuking law abiding idiots.
The law is there to protect players from attack from fans. That is fair enough in 99% of games, but get real you fools, no WBA fan was going onto the pitch to harm their players, our players, police, stewards or any other living entity. They were celebrating their win and only a complete tool would deny them that. It seems we have a few. It may be the law, but there are better ways to implement it. Common sense, of course, flies out out of the window.
Edit: Having just read all the thread all I can say is GO GET 'EM REDWINE! f**king hilarious how the number of posts seems to have some kind of bearing on how seriously you can be taken - funniest thing ever, considering punywhitedick has more posts than most of the rest of the posters put together, and he's taken seriously? You reckon? As I say, hilarious.
Sorry for calling you a fattso BTW PunyWhiteKitson, I mistook you for Barmby.
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Exactly, well done.
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Ad.......could have, would have, should have,
never a remote chance. Were upset coz we got beat.
Rigo, you do know me, let me just say, I've never used another posting name. I've spoken to you on many occasions. With Gareth, Stuart, Filo and am a very good friend of Jucy.
Got me now?
It was the pathetic nature of the post that got to me. Never a remote chance of there being any trouble.
Don, gald you see it as I do. In my opinion, the Nazi wing of the South Yorkshire Police and the SMC did their best to ruin the day for WBA fans, FFS did you hear the \"please deflate your inflatables\" announcement before the game.
I was gobdmacked when I heard that.
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Hear bloody hear Don! Once again the inability of any law 'enforcement' agency to do anything even faintly resembling thinking makes a simple situation 100 times worse. I've seen 'em do it, and not just at football matches either, more times than I can remember.
Perhaps I can remind folk of a few little truths?
- the IQ of the average policeman is not high. In fact it's remarkably low.
- they are not trained to think. They are trained to 'follow orders'. That recipe has been tried before in one or two European countries with rather calamitous results
- stewards have an average IQ less than that of coppers
- if you cannot see the evangelical zeal with which our Lords and masters are pursuing their passion for 'control' - of every single little bit of your life and mine - then that passion will succeed. And we will all be the losers for it. Today's escapade is just one minor facet of a terrifying vision that has almost become a reality now.
Let the buggers celebrate for goodness sake. And invent a f**king 'ignore' button for God's sake too. Frosty's incessant over reactions and moaning for the sake of it is the single least attractive feature of this forum these days. His inability to even consider that anyone else might have a point makes it even worse. Odd how he thinks he knows better than the dozens who've expressed dislike of his constant carping.
BobG
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Yeah, but some of the regular posters on here will insist that they were very sharp inflatables. Sack the d**k on the mic.
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BobG wrote:
Hear bloody hear Don! Once again the inability of any law 'enforcement' agency to do anything even faintly resembling thinking makes a simple situation 100 times worse. I've seen 'em do it, and not just at football matches either, more times than I can remember.
Perhaps I can remind folk of a few little truths?
- the IQ of the average policeman is not high. In fact it's remarkably low.
- they are not trained to think. They are trained to 'follow orders'. That recipe has been tried before in one or two European countries with rather calamitous results
- stewards have an average IQ less than that of coppers
- if you cannot see the evangelical zeal with which our Lords and masters are pursuing their passion for 'control' - of every single little bit of your life and mine - then that passion will succeed. And we will all be the losers for it. Today's escapade is just one minor facet of a terrifying vision that has almost become a reality now.
Let the buggers celebrate for goodness sake. And invent a fcuking 'ignore' button for God's sake too. Frosty's incessant over reactions and moaning for the sake of it is the single least attractive feature of this forum these days. His inability to even consider that anyone else might have a point makes it even worse. Odd how he thinks he knows better than the dozens who've expressed dislike of his constant carping.
BobG
I was wondering when you might pipe up Bob.
For the record, Police officers and stewards were assaulted before any of this escalated, witnessed by other's who have posted on this thread. Is that acceptable?
Your always quick to speak poorly of the Police Bob, but could you imagine the country without a Police force?
To be honest, this forum has become nothing more than a board for a select few. Anyone who dare say a word against the majority, or criticize anything Rovers releated is immidiately shot down in flames. The number of posters who also have their head up their own arses is also high. I won't name names, as it is fairly obvious who they are.
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We must be the only ground in the existence of football to insist that people 'deflate their inflatables' I f**king pissed myself when I heard that.
What set of f**king killjoys are running that place? They want a major kick up the ass.
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Rigoglioso wrote:
redwine wrote:
Rigo, you do know me, let me just say, I've never used another posting name. I've spoken to you on many occasions. With Gareth, Stuart, Filo and am a very good friend of Jucy.
It wasn't you I was referring to with the multiple aliases thing, by the way.
I just find it very ironic how ad1982 only ever posts when a particular person is on the back foot in a forum debate. Check his posts from his profile view, it makes startling revelations.
You must lead a very sad life Rigo. Having to check every little detail. I reckon its paranoia. I know who AD is. He's a very good friend as it happens, but I don't have more than one account on here.
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You can cause a lot of damage with an inflatable banana....Don't know where tho....lol
perhaps they were talking about the somewhat portly WBA supprter Adrian Chiles?
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Possibly could be Rigo. He might very well be sat next to me now. Listen pal, you really do need to get a life. Look at yourself.
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The announcement about the inflatables made me laugh too. There must be at least 15 yards between the fans & the goal line. Now correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of anyone being able to launch an inflatable that far & cause serious damage to anyone.
As for the situation at the end I also believe the police & stewards could have dealt with it with more common sense. The ultimate goal for most if not all footie fans is promotion & I for one like too see fellow fans celebrate it hoping that I can once again have that feeling soon.
The only time there was any danger that the situation was going to get out of hand was when the police started to get extremely heavy handed.
Common sense can go a very long way to defusing a potential problem & today the authorities seemed to lose theirs.
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Rigoglioso wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
Possibly could be Rigo. He might very well be sat next to me now. Listen pal, you really do need to get a life. Look at yourself.
Oh dear. I stopped having an imaginary friend when I got to about the age of six or sevem!!
I'd love to look at myself and spend an eternity admiring my perfect and handsome looks, but unfortunately I can't see a mirror around at the moment, so no can do I'm afraid.
AD is Andrew, a mate of mine who lives now in Scotland. He was at the game today. He registered on the forum a while back using one of my email addresses as he doesnt have one. He is staying at my gaff tonight, hence posting on here. He'll also be at the Scunny game Rigo, if you would like to meet him.
Now Rigo, isn't it past your bedtime?
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Bessie Red wrote:
The announcement about the inflatables made me laugh too. There must be at least 15 yards between the fans & the goal line. Now correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of anyone being able to launch an inflatable that far & cause serious damage to anyone.
As for the situation at the end I also believe the police & stewards could have dealt with it with more common sense. The ultimate goal for most if not all footie fans is promotion & I for one like too see fellow fans celebrate it hoping that I can once again have that feeling soon.
The only time there was any danger that the situation was going to get out of hand was when the police started to get extremely heavy handed.
Common sense can go a very long way to defusing a potential problem & today the authorities seemed to lose theirs.
That about sums it up for me too.
Eyep Debs BTW, get to bed!
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Lol, i'm going.... some of really need our beauty sleep... Nice to see you btw...xx
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I thought all your friends were imaginary Rigo.
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Go to bed now children you're all over-tired. Na-night.
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All your 'online' things are still flashing, you weirdos. Who's going first?
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I shall concede defeat, and also resign from the forum full stop. Certain members have got their heads well and truely up their arses.
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Thanks, that was very helpful.
EDIT: Are you under supervision? BTW, as to your original question, posted second in this thread which seems to have started this - 'When have we ever invaded a pitch like that away from home' - the answer is Stoke's Britannia Stadium (I'm guessing you didn't encroach).
We do seem to be on the end of promotion parties though in recent years.
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MrFrost wrote:
I shall concede defeat, and also resign from the forum full stop. Certain members have got their heads well and truely up their arses.
A very gracious way to end your forum posting career, and very brave of you. I think I speak for us all in saying you will be missed.
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Got no problem whatsoever with the WBA fans going on the pitch, let em have their moment.
Do some of our fans not remember stoke, dover, and to a lesser extent mansfield?
Mind you alot on this forum are jonny come lately's, and wouldnt have a clue what i'm on about.
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nice one rovers wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
I shall concede defeat, and also resign from the forum full stop. Certain members have got their heads well and truely up their arses.
A very gracious way to end your forum posting career, and very brave of you. I think I speak for us all in saying you will be missed.
But thinking about it, you're not going to read that goodbye, will you be not viewing the forum, or just not posting on it?
If you will be reading, but not posting, :( HAPPY BIRTHDAY :woohoo:
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Rigoglioso wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
Possibly could be Rigo. He might very well be sat next to me now. Listen pal, you really do need to get a life. Look at yourself.
Oh dear. I stopped having an imaginary friend when I got to about the age of six or sevem!!
I'd love to look at myself and spend an eternity admiring my perfect and handsome looks, but unfortunately I can't see a mirror around at the moment, so no can do I'm afraid.
F**k me Rigo even Alice didn't have one of those mirrors.
If ever you find a mirror that makes you look perfect and handsome hang on to it. It will be worth an awful lot of money.
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Boomstick wrote:
Got no problem whatsoever with the WBA fans going on the pitch, let em have their moment.
Do some of our fans not remember stoke, dover, and to a lesser extent mansfield?
Mind you alot on this forum are jonny come lately's, and wouldnt have a clue what i'm on about.
At last, there speaks the voice of sense. The way some Rovers fans on here take the moral high ground repulses me.
Mr Frost (I don't think I know him btw!) don't let people grind you down, you've as much right as anyone on here to voice your opinion,whether people agree or not ( I don't always agree with you nor do I always agree with some of the more \"Senior/moralistic\" people on here either.)
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MrFrost wrote:
I shall concede defeat, and also resign from the forum full stop. Certain members have got their heads well and truely up their arses.
Well...come back soon Frosty. I wouldnt let others sniping get to you to much - your last sentence above is perfectly accurate, just remember that and get yourself back on here posting.
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Afternoon gents. Just thought I'd give you a bit of perspective from an Albion point of view.
First of all, most of your stewards were fantastic yesterday, as were your fans who were very complimentary and friendly. Donny town centre was also a cracking place - I must admit, I expected it to be a bit of a dive!
Anyway, the pitch invasion. I didn't agree with it one bit - it's not our pitch and you lot have still got games left to play on it. It's just disrespectful, really.
However, one of your stewards in the suit and sunglasses (blonde haired fat c**t) decided to punch and kick one of our fans AFTER he had been restrained. This is just totally unacceptable and resulted in a load more going on the pitch to confront him and inform the police of what they'd seen. I went on just to inform the police of what I'd seen and then when he saw me point him out, he decided to start goading me and several other fans from behind a line of police. Proper big fat coward.
Anyway, thanks for a great day and being so hospitable. All the best for the rest of the season and if you don't make it to the play-offs this year, I'd be pretty confident of you lot making it next year. Very good footballing side - just a shame about your dog head manager!
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Bloody hell boys, what's happening here? It's like being sat in the middle of my little lads classroom. Mr Frost appears to have become the Lewis Guy or Mark Wilson of the forum, why? I don't always agree with what he says but it's all about opinions and he puts his across quite well. I've never met Mr Frost (yet) but we are doing a spot of business together and he is most helpfull and a genuinly decent bloke. I have met Rigo and you are also a decent fella and i like you but you are guilty of being a sheep in this case. Why can't folk have a difference of opinion without name calling or virtual bullying? It's spoiling the forum and takes time reading through the petty squables and actually getting to read something relevant is getting harder as the weeks go by.
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Nudga wrote:
I've never met Mr Frost (yet) but we are doing a spot of business together
Teabagging?
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Filo wrote:
Nudga wrote:
I've never met Mr Frost (yet) but we are doing a spot of business together
Teabagging?
I do hope so, my knackers haven't been dipped in a while.
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I'd like to put across my point of view being one of the stewards moved over to the North Stand from the West at the end of the game. The crowd situation was under control until the West Brom players came running over to the fans and this caused fans wanting to get to them and an advertising board being kicked off which flew into the air. This had to be moved so as not to cause any injury and this unfortunately left open a gap for the West Brom fans to get onto the pitch. In my opinion, we were understaffed in that corner (closest to the West Stand) and it was clear that the main area where fans were going to try and go on the pitch from from this corner.
Once they were on the pitch it was safer to move back and get the players in before moving the fans back which i believe was done well.
I cannot speak for any other steward or member of the police because i was dealing with the situation in my own way.
In my opinion the problem started when the West Brom players ran over. They had ample time to go into the dressing room after the game, get changed and then come back out and see the fans; the fans were always going to wait. i heard numerous fan leaving angry calling their players selfish bstards for not coming back out.
Official complaints were made to the referee, match assessor and WBA football club.
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Lets take slightly different look this.
A fan runs onto the pitch after being told not to, he is grabbed by either a steward or the police.
Whats going to happen to him - he is either escorted out of the stadium or put back behind the barriers.
However, when the fan resists and starts rolling around the floor with either the stewards or police - or both, then it all changes and it becomes a public order issue which can't be dealt with in a relaxed informal way.
Its as much how the fans react as the officials.
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JESUSISHERE wrote:
Official complaints were made to the referee, match assessor and WBA football club.
Sorry Jesus, offical complaints were made by whom to those authorities? By Rovers? By the police?
My understanding is that is there is an issue with fans encroaching onto a playing area then it is the home club who takes the blame - hence the reason the bloke on the mic was telling the WBA fans not to go on the pitch. Do you know if any complaints has been made against Rovers - we can do without a fine thats for sure?
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that bloke on the mic at KMS was a prick
i was i west stand corner and as wba fans were spilling onto pitch
to which i have no issues with.just stood there on me own
at the very front on the fence arms folded minding me own bussiness
enjoying the baggie fans having their moments
more than enough west brom fans were a foot away from us on the pitch and
gobbibg off to us,they did not want to shake my hand is fare to say.....
..'dont be silly skip there is more than enough cctv in this ground,enjoy your
party'....was me answer
i then became aware of a lone donny fan in rovers shirt who was giving it large to wba fans due to them been on pitch i guess,maybe the wba lads gobbing off were pissed with said rovers fan....suppose thats football for yers.
a couple of west brom fans were taken out of ground by police and
i had to laugh as football banning orders would be put in place for sure
hence them missing the return to prem next term.
think there should have a much bigger police presence on the pitch as final whistle went,as stewards dont caryy the look or sense of authority
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oslorovers wrote:
that bloke on the mic at KMS IS a prick
Corrected for you mate.
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oslorovers wrote:
think there should have a much bigger police presence on the pitch as final whistle went,as stewards dont caryy the look or sense of authority
I agree, but it's not cheap. We should have had them in and then billed WBA for the cost. It really didn't help their players ignoring being asked by the club to leave the pitch then come back out.
Not sure what more Rovers could have done, it wasn't our fans and the stewards did their best. It takes a lot and aggression to keep a mob like that back.
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Baggies fans were always going to invade the pitch at the end of the game, emotions running high they'd just been promoted for gods sake.Remember Stoke???? We were also told to stay off the pitch,Did we??? did we hell. I know its against the law and if you resist arrest then you deserve to be arrested but not man-handled and punched by some arsehole security prick in a suit who think he's hard and can get away with it because he's security. The best wat imho would have been after the intial invasion to put a line across the 18yrd box and let them celebrate to their hearts content.Im sure this was done to us at an away game before,might be wront though. Anyway good luck to wba, the fans i were talking to in beefeater were sound. Hope they stay up
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wilts rover wrote:
JESUSISHERE wrote:
Official complaints were made to the referee, match assessor and WBA football club.
Sorry Jesus, offical complaints were made by whom to those authorities? By Rovers? By the police?
My understanding is that is there is an issue with fans encroaching onto a playing area then it is the home club who takes the blame - hence the reason the bloke on the mic was telling the WBA fans not to go on the pitch. Do you know if any complaints has been made against Rovers - we can do without a fine thats for sure?
Official complaints were made by our senior steward.
Just to pick up on something any poster said.
BobG
As far as stewards being on average less intelligent than coppers, keep your stereotypical opinions to yourself. Im at university studying for an accounting degree thankyou very much. I know of several other stewards at university aswell. So before you come back and say you must be pushing the average up, keep your non-football, non-relevant opinions to yourself. i dont come and tell you how to do your job, so dont tell me how the fck to do mine.
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I didn't. That must be your guilty conscinece speaking. I commented on the average IQ of stewards if you care to re-read my post. Want the evidence? You'll look a right tit then mate.
BobG
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average IQ, average intelligence, im sure IQ is intelligence quotient. ive just said you commented on the intelligence of stewards, which i disagreed with, if you would like to re-read my post. then you will look like the tit....mate
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At the end of the day WBA got promoted yesterday, there fans were always going to go on pitch whether they were advised not to or not. They came on the pitch and celebrated,at no point did they surge towards Rovers fans and at no point did Rovers fans surge to them, so whats the problem? At Stoke some of our fans spent more time on the pitch than the players.at no point did WBA fans come on the pitch during the game, if i recall Rovers fans were on pitch after every goal at the Britannia. Personally I thought WBA fans were subdued in there celebrations rather than over boisterous.
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You're right Jesus. I did. But you made a right old bish about me telling you how to do your job. Which I didn't. So you still need to re-read my post.
And just to show that I don't generalise, or worse, go check these out yourself. They document the average IQ's of policeman and chaps such as yourself:
1) Iman, R.L. (1994). A Data Based Approach to Statistics. Belmont: Duxbury Press.
2)Wechsler, D. (1944). The Measurement of Adult Intelligence. Baltimore: The Williams & Wilkins Company.
These, amongst many others, will show you that the:
Average IQ of a policeman is between 85 and 115.
Average IQ of protective service workers (exc Police) is between 75 and 115
Actually, these are percentiles, but you get the drift. So, you going to apologise?
If anyone is interested why average IQ's are given as ranges, I'd be happy to provide references.
BobG
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Two references, one 1994, the other one 1944, what a tool, i dont even need to bother commenting on that lol
Am i going to apologise? No
You said at the start of your post that we did nothing resembling thinking and made a simple situation 100 times worse. Thats kinda telling me im not doing my job right. Thats criticising my work, so i took offence.
How was the situation simple, hundreds of fired up supporters wanting to commit an offence and run on the pitch, a few on the forum dont seem to care about that simply saying, its their day let them enjoy it. So why not let them bring alcohol out into the stadium and enjoy it? Because its an offence. The club can get fined if spectators encroach onto the pitch so we didnt want that to happen, we were doing our jobs. As i said before, the situation was being controlled until the West Brom players ran up to the crowd and an advertising board was kicked down and then sprang up into the air causing a potential problem.
Just to show that you dont generalise, and then you reference something talking about average IQ's, thats giving a generalised view of all stewards surely?
Last time i took an IQ test, it came out at 156, so im more than punching above my weight for my job according to you.
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i have read this thread,all six pages,and its astounds me to be quite frank.Why oh why are we sniping at each other?have these tensions been around for a while and have spilled over?
one thing bob though that intrigues me about the average intelligence point you raise,looking at the references you have given.Are u really quoting from research that was done over 50 years ago?,and not even in this country.
The only thing i can think of when looking at the moral high ground on here regarding the coming onto the pitch,is yes it is against the law,but so is standing up when you are supposed to be sitting but many people do that every week.double standards anyone?? surely not on this forum....ha ha ha
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bob,please explain because you have me confused.You say that the police have low intelligence.Then quote a range of IQ from 85 to 115.
that range is for people with normal intellegence,so how can you say the police have low intelligence?
Also,you quote the figures as percentiles,again i dont understand what your getting at because as far as mensa are concerned then anyone with a percentile score of 99% is in the bracket of being in the top 1% of the most intelligent people in the country.
and isnt the fact that its called a percentile mean the top mark is 100,not the 115 you quote in your reply?
as far as i was aware you take an IQ test to get your score, ie 113, and then this is converted into a percentile.
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i like this guy! thats why i didnt even bother answering back to his references, it was a ridiculous argument.
Regarding fans standing up, i dont think its so much as a double standard, theres a big difference between standing up and going on the pitch. i suppose that if thats what the rules say, then people should try to adhere to it. However, I personally, as a steward, feel that if fans wish to stand up, as long as it is at the top of the stadium, and not obstructing anyone's view, nor is it being complained about by other fans, then i dont see the problem with it. The majority was used to standing at belle vue, including myself, and its just trying to bring an atmosphere to a stadium with almost zero atmosphere. No-one wants to sit down and sing!
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Back to you Bob G
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BobG wrote:
I didn't. That must be your guilty conscinece speaking. I commented on the average IQ of stewards if you care to re-read my post. Want the evidence? You'll look a right tit then mate.
BobG
That was a generalisation, some of the stewards are very intelligent guys with high paid jobs in authority. Very unfair to lump them all in with one. Some of them with these decent jobs are called thick and some of them also get told they have no 'bottle' and whimp away from stuff when some of them have fought in wars for this country.
Whether they do a good job or not, the shit they get from fans is not really fair is it?
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premieralbion wrote:
Afternoon gents. Just thought I'd give you a bit of perspective from an Albion point of view.
First of all, most of your stewards were fantastic yesterday, as were your fans who were very complimentary and friendly. Donny town centre was also a cracking place - I must admit, I expected it to be a bit of a dive!
Anyway, the pitch invasion. I didn't agree with it one bit - it's not our pitch and you lot have still got games left to play on it. It's just disrespectful, really.
However, one of your stewards in the suit and sunglasses (blonde haired fat c**t) decided to punch and kick one of our fans AFTER he had been restrained. This is just totally unacceptable and resulted in a load more going on the pitch to confront him and inform the police of what they'd seen. I went on just to inform the police of what I'd seen and then when he saw me point him out, he decided to start goading me and several other fans from behind a line of police. Proper big fat coward.
Anyway, thanks for a great day and being so hospitable. All the best for the rest of the season and if you don't make it to the play-offs this year, I'd be pretty confident of you lot making it next year. Very good footballing side - just a shame about your dog head manager!
If you can`t do the time don`t do the crime! I don`t know if this is the incident you are on about, if it is then all i can say is that if the lad would have not put up a fight or resisted arrest then he wouldn`t have been thrown about, the coppers should have given him some truncheon to slow him down a bit!
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Nb5X-J8dw[/video]
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Another video here.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk4-26Lbl6w [/video]
The West Stand looks almost empty.
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[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Nb5X-J8dw[/video][/quote]
Does a member of this forum pop on to the screen on 2 mins 16 secs :laugh:
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
The West Stand looks almost empty.
Just as Redwine said.... :)
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OK chaps. Some of you believe that older research is valueless. An emotional reaction if ever there was one since none of you provide any evidence at all of research saying anything different from the research I have at least provided. If you can actually point to later research that says the contrary, then we will, at last, have moved beyond the purely juvenile responses so far. Right now all I have seen, still, is knee jerk emotion. At least I have quoted research in support of my views - unlike you.
Am I right to suppose from your comments that if I bring 'recent' research to your attention that says the same thing, you'll accept that then? Because here it is: go on. Look at it for yourselves. I didn't quote it last night because it shows you lot to be even dimmer than the studies I did quote.
IQ Differences for Adults in Different Occupations
WAIS-R Mean IQ Range
Occupational Category
110-112 Professional and technical
103-104 Managers, clerical, sales
100-102 Skilled workers
92-94 Semiskilled workers
87-89 Unskilled workers
Kaufman, Alan S. Assessing Adolescent and Adult Intelligence. Allyn and Bacon, 1990.
Until you produce some evidence, all you've got to offer is hot air.
As for coppers and their intelligence, I could provide you with chapter and verse - but I'll let you do that for yourselves - showing coppers, on average, rank somewhere a few points below midway in the IQ scale.
Happy Cussy?! :)
Cheers
BobG
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BobG wrote:
OK chaps. Some of you believe that older research is valueless. An emotional reaction if ever there was one since none of you provide any evidence at all of research saying anything different from the research I have at least provided. If you can actually point to later research that says the contrary, then we will, at last, have moved beyond the purely juvenile responses so far. Right now all I have seen, still, is knee jerk emotion. At least I have quoted research in support of my views - unlike you.
Am I right to suppose from your comments that if I bring 'recent' research to your attention that says the same thing, you'll accept that then? Because here it is: go on. Look at it for yourselves. I didn't quote it last night because it shows you lot to be even dimmer than the studies I did quote.
IQ Differences for Adults in Different Occupations
WAIS-R Mean IQ Range
Occupational Category
110-112 Professional and technical
103-104 Managers, clerical, sales
100-102 Skilled workers
92-94 Semiskilled workers
87-89 Unskilled workers
Kaufman, Alan S. Assessing Adolescent and Adult Intelligence. Allyn and Bacon, 1990.
Until you produce some evidence, all you've got to offer is hot air.
As for coppers and their intelligence, I could provide you with chapter and verse - but I'll let you do that for yourselves - showing coppers, on average, rank somewhere a few points below midway in the IQ scale.
Happy Cussy?! :)
Cheers
BobG
Still doesn't get past the variable. How do you know some students don't also work in those professions at the top of that 'research'? Some of them actually do, so kinda points to a flaw in the argument really.
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That may or may not be true BFTP. It's a subject it'd be interesting to debate. But it's not germane to this particular one. What we have here is an allegation, by me, that some people take offence to. But rather than provide evidence in support of their position they simply blow hot air and emotion. I have simply provided another respected set of properly researched data to overcome their bizarre prejudice that 'old research' is of no value.
Cheers
BobG
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BobG wrote:
OK chaps. Some of you believe that older research is valueless. An emotional reaction if ever there was one since none of you provide any evidence at all of research saying anything different from the research I have at least provided. If you can actually point to later research that says the contrary, then we will, at last, have moved beyond the purely juvenile responses so far. Right now all I have seen, still, is knee jerk emotion. At least I have quoted research in support of my views - unlike you.
Am I right to suppose from your comments that if I bring 'recent' research to your attention that says the same thing, you'll accept that then? Because here it is: go on. Look at it for yourselves. I didn't quote it last night because it shows you lot to be even dimmer than the studies I did quote.
IQ Differences for Adults in Different Occupations
WAIS-R Mean IQ Range
Occupational Category
110-112 Professional and technical
103-104 Managers, clerical, sales
100-102 Skilled workers
92-94 Semiskilled workers
87-89 Unskilled workers
Kaufman, Alan S. Assessing Adolescent and Adult Intelligence. Allyn and Bacon, 1990.
Until you produce some evidence, all you've got to offer is hot air.
As for coppers and their intelligence, I could provide you with chapter and verse - but I'll let you do that for yourselves - showing coppers, on average, rank somewhere a few points below midway in the IQ scale.
Happy Cussy?! :)
Cheers
BobG
Here's a meat head with a high IQ score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXksaSewCEs
PS Most simpletons are the happiest :S Smart people realise how shit and pointless this life is :(
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BobG wrote:
That may or may not be true BFTP. It's a subject it'd be interesting to debate. But it's not germane to this particular one. What we have here is an allegation, by me, that some people take offence to. But rather than provide evidence in support of their position they simply blow hot air and emotion. I have simply provided another respected set of properly researched data to overcome their bizarre prejudice that 'old research' is of no value.
Cheers
BobG
It is true 100% :)
To be fair I'm of the opinion that old research has some value but having spent 4 years at uni looking mainly at research I've found that much of it is utterly pointless, flawed and a waste of money.
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BobG wrote:
OK chaps. Some of you believe that older research is valueless. An emotional reaction if ever there was one since none of you provide any evidence at all of research saying anything different from the research I have at least provided. If you can actually point to later research that says the contrary, then we will, at last, have moved beyond the purely juvenile responses so far. Right now all I have seen, still, is knee jerk emotion. At least I have quoted research in support of my views - unlike you.
Am I right to suppose from your comments that if I bring 'recent' research to your attention that says the same thing, you'll accept that then? Because here it is: go on. Look at it for yourselves. I didn't quote it last night because it shows you lot to be even dimmer than the studies I did quote.
IQ Differences for Adults in Different Occupations
WAIS-R Mean IQ Range
Occupational Category
110-112 Professional and technical
103-104 Managers, clerical, sales
100-102 Skilled workers
92-94 Semiskilled workers
87-89 Unskilled workers
Kaufman, Alan S. Assessing Adolescent and Adult Intelligence. Allyn and Bacon, 1990.
Until you produce some evidence, all you've got to offer is hot air.
As for coppers and their intelligence, I could provide you with chapter and verse - but I'll let you do that for yourselves - showing coppers, on average, rank somewhere a few points below midway in the IQ scale.
Happy Cussy?! :)
Cheers
BobG
No probs with that Bob. I'm always happy. It wasn't me that was arguing against you. I've only contributed 4 words to this thread and that's 'over to you Bob'
But now you have me, where do Stewards fit into that analogy, out of interest? You state coppers are half way I think, so that doesn't really make them sub-normal does it?
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JESUSISHERE wrote:
I'd like to put across my point of view being one of the stewards moved over to the North Stand from the West at the end of the game. The crowd situation was under control until the West Brom players came running over to the fans and this caused fans wanting to get to them and an advertising board being kicked off which flew into the air. This had to be moved so as not to cause any injury and this unfortunately left open a gap for the West Brom fans to get onto the pitch. In my opinion, we were understaffed in that corner (closest to the West Stand) and it was clear that the main area where fans were going to try and go on the pitch from from this corner.
Once they were on the pitch it was safer to move back and get the players in before moving the fans back which i believe was done well.
I cannot speak for any other steward or member of the police because i was dealing with the situation in my own way.
In my opinion the problem started when the West Brom players ran over. They had ample time to go into the dressing room after the game, get changed and then come back out and see the fans; the fans were always going to wait. i heard numerous fan leaving angry calling their players selfish bstards for not coming back out.
Official complaints were made to the referee, match assessor and WBA football club.
Any idea if any action is to be brought against the bloke in the suit and sunglasses who assaulted a bloke pinned down on the floor and then attempted to goad me into getting arrested? I can tell you now that the majority of people I saw going mad were going mad because of him.
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Until the 1960s you couldn't even get into the Police Force below a certain height. I think that it was 5'10\" in Donny but 6' in some areas. That meant that a good percentage of people of above average intelligence weren't even considered.
Maybe these drifted into other careers affecting the averages. Police officers now have to pass an entrance exam that I don't think they did in the forties.
I've worked in Engineering most of my life and would rather deal with someone with lots of common sense than some of the boffins who screw up on a daily basis because they don't see the broader picture.
My IQ is 148 and I have a semi-skilled job but I'm happy and solvent. :)
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idler wrote:
Until the 1960s you couldn't even get into the Police Force below a certain height. I think that it was 5'10\" in Donny but 6' in some areas. That meant that a good percentage of people of above average intelligence weren't even considered.
Maybe these drifted into other careers affecting the averages. Police officers now have to pass an entrance exam that I don't think they did in the forties.
I've worked in Engineering most of my life and would rather deal with someone with lots of common sense than some of the boffins who screw up on a daily basis because they don't see the broader picture.
My IQ is 148 and I have a semi-skilled job but I'm happy and solvent. :)
For someone of that iq i'm surprised that you're using solvents ;)
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That's why I'm so happy. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I had a unit at work today that required a certain part. There are different variations of the said part so instead of asking which one, the engineer had 3 versions made. Result, none of them were right, we are now having a fourth one made.
Now you know why I need solvents.
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Thank God we are not all classified as good bad or ugly by sporadic IQ tests of ad hoc socio professional groupings made by consultants working for organisations with nowt better to do!