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Sheffield United reject Doncaster Rovers' Sharp bid
Sharp spent the season on loan at the Keepmoat Stadium
Sheffield United have turned down a club record bid from Doncaster Rovers for striker Billy Sharp.
The 24-year-old former Scunthorpe frontman scored 15 goals in 35 appearances during a season-long loan spell for Doncaster this season.
Rovers chairman John Ryan told BBC Radio Sheffield: \"I'm disappointed. We will have to wait and see what happens.
\"All we can do is make offers. It was certainly the biggest bid Doncaster Rovers have made for a player.\"
Asked whether Rovers would make another offer for the player, Ryan responded: \"Not at this stage, no. I think we pushed the boat out a bit with that offer.
\"It was a very substantial offer, so we'll have to regroup and see what happens with the rest of the summer.\"
Doncaster's current transfer record is the £300,000 they paid Manchester City for Matt Mills in 2008.
Sharp rejoined Sheffield United in 2007 from Scunthorpe for an undisclosed fee.
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Wonder how much it was, but JR has more or less confirmed we wont be persuing him.
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Thats it then. He has single handed kept us up this season and now if donny cant afford what i would say is about 500k for a striker then we are never gonna get a striker who scores more than about 5 goals.I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
:angry:
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We dont know how much was offered. I just hope the board don't complain when we only sell 5000 season tickets.
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I hope we don't put all our eggs in one basket so to speak I think we may have offered a million and if that's the case then Utd are pushing it trying to get more for a player they don't want,I think there are other targets we could aim for rather than putting blinkers on and trying to get Sharp at all costs . My main fear now is if Billy goes elsewhere our devoted fans will straight away blame JR and the board rather than a greedy Utd or unreasonable wage dermands. I'm hoping Mr Sharp will realise from experience that the big pay packet isn't the be all and end all and stay where he is happy and in line to be a hero.
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I don't believe we have bid anywhere near a million. 400-500k at the very most.
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donvicks wrote:
Thats it then. He has single handed kept us up this season and now if donny cant afford what i would say is about 500k for a striker then we are never gonna get a striker who scores more than about 5 goals.I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
:angry:
? Aren't you a Leeds fan?
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Perhaps it isnt the case that the biggest bid is accepted! if the player wants to go to a certain club and their bid is reasonable then Blades either let him go or keep him sidelined until he goes in january for less to the same club or on a free in the summer, i seem to recall this happened with one of our bids for a player a couple of years ago. B)
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well reports doing the rounds is that leeds put 600k offer in
so if above is correct rovers must have least matched that bid
at the least.
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Chuffin Heck!!! Donnie vics with a Rovers related Post!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Theres no way we have bid a million. 650-700 tops I think.
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Sprotyrover wrote:
Perhaps it isnt the case that the biggest bid is accepted! if the player wants to go to a certain club and their bid is reasonable then Blades either let him go or keep him sidelined until he goes in january for less to the same club or on a free in the summer, i seem to recall this happened with one of our bids for a player a couple of years ago. B)
I seem to recall it was Feeney who ended up at Luton. B)
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One question I keep thinking to myself is. Do the Rovers board put in the same percentage of their worth as us Loyal fans do?.....I bet they dont!
They want us to buy Season tickets early, on the promise of a big push to the Premier League next year and they wont even stump up the asking price for the one thing we need the most. Its not asking alot when the board are worth a huge collective fortune is it?
I haven't bought a ST ticklet yet due to work and financial restrictions, but I cant see me struggling to get a match ticket next year at this rate like I didn't last season when I managed to get to all games on a pay per game basis. I feared a struggle for a good seat with the way the board were talking of the great push to the promised land. They want commitment from us? We need the same.
Dont get me wrong, I dont want them to bakrupt the club, but please lets get away from the record bids for DRFC scenario. We are an established Championship club now and our record bid is £300,000? it was £150,000 in the Conference for crying out loud and we lost money on that. It's beyond sensible tactics in my eyes. I see it more like the club is saying, 'were poor old Donny, skint but willing to try our luck and getting gold for coppers. Other clubs are seeing straight through it now!
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donvicks wrote:
I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
:angry:
Gary Hooper?
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donvicks wrote:
Thats it then. He has single handed kept us up this season and now if donny cant afford what i would say is about 500k for a striker then we are never gonna get a striker who scores more than about 5 goals.I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
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What!!! 11 Players take to that pitch, plus subs! Its a team performance and the team (squad) kept us up!!!!
Also you forgot your token Leeds mention in that Post ;)
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I guess we'll never get to know the amount offered. In the event that Billy did sign it would still quite likely be an 'undisclosed' fee.
But surely a striker of Billy's calibre has got to be worth in excess of 800k. It's a no-brainer as far as I can see. Rovers would not be taking a gamble... he's been tried and tested in the team and come up with the goods. I know it boils down to what the club can afford, but let's hope the Board decide it's well worth pushing the boat out to secure his services.
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danrover82 wrote:
One question I keep thinking to myself is. Do the Rovers board put in the same percentage of their worth as us Loyal fans do?.....I bet they dont!
They want us to buy Season tickets early, on the promise of a big push to the Premier League next year and they wont even stump up the asking price for the one thing we need the most. Its not asking alot when the board are worth a huge collective fortune is it?
I haven't bought a ST ticklet yet due to work and financial restrictions, but I cant see me struggling to get a match ticket next year at this rate like I didn't last season when I managed to get to all games on a pay per game basis. I feared a struggle for a good seat with the way the board were talking of the great push to the promised land. They want commitment from us? We need the same.
Dont get me wrong, I dont want them to bakrupt the club, but please lets get away from the record bids for DRFC scenario. We are an established Championship club now and our record bid is £300,000? it was £150,000 in the Conference for crying out loud and we lost money on that. It's beyond sensible tactics in my eyes. I see it more like the club is saying, 'were poor old Donny, skint but willing to try our luck and getting gold for coppers. Other clubs are seeing straight through it now!
We operate at huge loss as it stands though. The annual wage Bill is to creep over the £7 million mark soon, so can the board really afford, or take the risk in such a tight league were nothings guaranteed especially survival?
What would happen if Sharps goals never got us up, or his goals never kept us up?
We already operate at £2-3 million deficits (before player sales) based on previous accounts. We get more income now with the new TV deals, but that is basically balanced out because of the wage inflation.
Billy will cost the board over a million in wage and fee. This will more than likely bring the deficit to £4 million which is a huge gap to plug.
If we get Billy, we would need to go for broke and try to get straight upto the premiership within Sharps contract structure to make it pay; however, we all know football doesn’t go to plan, and we could quite easily land up in league one with or without Billy.
If the plan is to consolidate then is Billy worth the fee and wage? I think not. Also would we be able to tie him down to a longish contract to make it worth it, and give us a chance to sell him on, before his contract would expire.
He wouldn’t be much good to us unless we could tie him down to atleast a three year contract. That way, we would have ample time to flog him, to recover some cash back; however, will Billy want tying down to a lengthy contract?
I will get behind the board whatever they do because they have the clubs best interests at heart, and they have already done more than enough for this club…IMHO. :scarf:
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The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
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MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
But even if we sold 12 thousand season tickets at £400 pound each, we would still be more than £2 million short of the wage bill. Then if you bring Billy into the equation, you are talking £2.5 million short then had his fee.
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Chris wrote:
donvicks wrote:
I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
:angry:
Gary Hooper?
Are you joking? Hooper will cost at least a million.
I don't see this as the end of our pursuit of Sharp. You think we'll give up at one bid? You would think the Blades told us how much they're gonna be wanting for him since our bid wasn't enough and now perhaps we will regroup and try to find that money somewhere.
Or, three other words spring to mind concerning us and transfers: smoke and mirrors.
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Doing the Honourable thing when we played Sheff Utd, and we, off our own back refused to let Billy play against them, did n`t stand us in good stead did it?
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
But even if we sold 12 thousand season tickets at £400 pound each, we would still be more than £2 million short of the wage bill. Then if you bring Billy into the equation, you are talking £2.5 million short then had his fee.
Can you rewrite that in English so we can understand what you are trying to say?
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RoversAlias wrote:
Chris wrote:
donvicks wrote:
I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
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Gary Hooper?
Are you joking? Hooper will cost at least a million.
That wasn't my point. Scunthorpe paid less than £300,000 for him and he got 19 goals last season.
Given his age I feel he would be worth £2-3m now.
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MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
And your evidence for that is? At the end of last season when we were still chasing for the play-offs we could only manage around 10k home fans for games against Sheff U & Newcastle. Were are these mythical 'high season ticket sales' going to come from? Last season we had 7-8k season tickets - Derby had 28k.
I predict that if we buy Billy Sharp it will put 0 on season ticket sales. IMO the only way to increase season tickets would be drop prices. But I am sure you would still find something else to moan about.
And are JR & KM2 not fans then?
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My point being, the board will criticise those not buying season tickets as the reason of failing to sign the likes of Sharp & Shackell.
Signing them will have seen more people buy or renew. It would have been a statement of intent. As it stands we've barely sold 200 season tickets since the prices increased. A few signings will have added to this, anyone who says it wouldn't is very naive.
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Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
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Wellred wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
But even if we sold 12 thousand season tickets at £400 pound each, we would still be more than £2 million short of the wage bill. Then if you bring Billy into the equation, you are talking £2.5 million short then had his fee.
Can you rewrite that in English so we can understand what you are trying to say?
Sorry, I was in a rush.
Even if we sold 12k season tickets at 400 pound each, it wouldn't cover the wage bill.
And even if we did sign Sharp, the ST sales wouldn't even reach 8k, never mind 12k which i based my example on. My quick example shows that the argument to buy Sharp to sell more ST's and plug the gap doesn't work.
The extra ST holders that would buy season tickets due to the signature of Billy, wouldn't even cover half of his annual wage thus equally more debt.
I hope that cleared it up, still busy here. I will explain later if you still don't get the gist.
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wilts rover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
And your evidence for that is? At the end of last season when we were still chasing for the play-offs we could only manage around 10k home fans for games against Sheff U & Newcastle. Were are these mythical 'high season ticket sales' going to come from? Last season we had 7-8k season tickets - Derby had 28k.
I predict that if we buy Billy Sharp it will put 0 on season ticket sales. IMO the only way to increase season tickets would be drop prices. But I am sure you would still find something else to moan about.
And are JR & KM2 not fans then?
Actually I think you might find if you look back through previous posts (and I believe you are an expert at doing this) you might find that the KM2 are not fans.
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SouthEastStandBarmyArmy wrote:
Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
All about ambition, and we have none.
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I've got to disagree there Frosty, we have still got to build our club upto ccc level. This may take another 3-5 years of being at this level, we cannot and should not spend money that the club cannot sustain. We are still recovering from three decades of being utter shite but the kids are coming back in there droves(sp). I don't want to see us back in division 4 again.
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i see this two ways either rovers are pushing the boat out to sign sharp,hence to say
another higher bid will follow
or deep down inside rovers allready know they have lost the fight to sign sharp,
so drfc put in the 'highest bid' in clubs history to sign a player as a sign that they tried their upmost to get sharp on board
which in turn the rovers fans will not complain as at least rovers gave it their best attempt,then move on towards plan b.
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Does anyone know how much our bid that was accepted for Shackell was?Point being JR says our offer for Sharp was certainly the biggest in the clubs history so it much have been more than what Shackell cost.
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JR has pretty much stated we will not be following this up. Thats what worrys me. One bid, declines and its finished. Wheres haggling, negotiating. It appears very negative.
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donvicks wrote:
Thats it then. He has single handed kept us up this season and now if donny cant afford what i would say is about 500k for a striker then we are never gonna get a striker who scores more than about 5 goals.I cant think of a 100-300k striker that would get more. you pay for what u get imho.
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I never knew that we only had one player all season! :unsure: So Jimmy, Sulli, Woods Stock Gareth etc never did anything? Ah well, let's all get on the money for relegation! What a stupid thing to say, we have a TEAM that nearly got us in the playoffs, not one player.
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MrFrost wrote:
JR has pretty much stated we will not be following this up. Thats what worrys me. One bid, declines and its finished. Wheres haggling, negotiating. It appears very negative.
He also said we will have to wait and see what happens? so it may not be totally over. :(
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Drover wrote:
Does anyone know how much our bid that was accepted for Shackell was?Point being JR says our offer for Sharp was certainly the biggest in the clubs history so it much have been more than what Shackell cost.
I read somewhere that Barnsley got Shackell for 300k. If that's true or not, I don't know.
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Mr Frost you seem to have all the ambition in the world with someone elses money.Dont put everyone else down because you are panicking. You are supporting the wrong club if you want big signings.
It takes time to build a club and over the last 10yrs we have done better than most and we have no way stopped yet with or without Billy.
Personally having seen both players play when they were at their best I think that getting Brooker fit and playing is more important but must admit both playing well would be better and only time will tell if we get Billy.
At least we are in the swim on this one and may be more of a problem to other interested teams than most people think.
We have made a move lets wait and see who else is in the game before laying down and blaming the Rovers Board like you do all the time.
If we dont get him it is not the end of the world and when we do get someone it will be because the managment who many of us trust think that they can do a job for us.
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A good post selby, and a good call. BS was never going to be easy to keep, and it isn't a disaster if he doesn't come, there are always alternatives, and i would be amazed if SOD and JR have not got several other options for replacements for Heffs, which is what we are really talking about.
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MrFrost wrote:
SouthEastStandBarmyArmy wrote:
Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
All about ambition, and we have none.
You obviously haven't been around for the last 40+ years to make such a ridiculous statement.
We have made rapid advances over the last few years and each step becomes harder and harder both structurally and financially. Do you seriously believe we have lacked ambition , if so then you've been walking around with your eyes shut.
The advances we have made over the last 6/7 years have been huge and the financial strain on our major benefactor/s equally so, please respect what we all have achieved through this period; an advance made out of pure AMBITION.
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Wellred wrote:
wilts rover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
And your evidence for that is? At the end of last season when we were still chasing for the play-offs we could only manage around 10k home fans for games against Sheff U & Newcastle. Were are these mythical 'high season ticket sales' going to come from? Last season we had 7-8k season tickets - Derby had 28k.
I predict that if we buy Billy Sharp it will put 0 on season ticket sales. IMO the only way to increase season tickets would be drop prices. But I am sure you would still find something else to moan about.
And are JR & KM2 not fans then?
Actually I think you might find if you look back through previous posts (and I believe you are an expert at doing this) you might find that the KM2 are not fans.
If they are not fans then doesn't that make it even more special what they are doing for OUR club?
PS Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :angry:
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
Wellred wrote:
wilts rover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The gap the board have to plug will be alot bigger because of the poor season ticket sales.
I'm predicting around 5500 to be sold by the beginning of next season. This will then be used as the reason why we haven't invested more in the squad.
The only way the board were going to see high season ticket sales was to spend big in the summer. This cant/wont happen, and ultimately the fans will get the blame.
And your evidence for that is? At the end of last season when we were still chasing for the play-offs we could only manage around 10k home fans for games against Sheff U & Newcastle. Were are these mythical 'high season ticket sales' going to come from? Last season we had 7-8k season tickets - Derby had 28k.
I predict that if we buy Billy Sharp it will put 0 on season ticket sales. IMO the only way to increase season tickets would be drop prices. But I am sure you would still find something else to moan about.
And are JR & KM2 not fans then?
Actually I think you might find if you look back through previous posts (and I believe you are an expert at doing this) you might find that the KM2 are not fans.
If they are not fans then doesn't that make it even more special what they are doing for OUR club?
PS Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :angry:[/quote
Who is looking a gift horse in the moth? Simply pointing out Wilts Rovers inaccuracies.
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hoolahoop wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
SouthEastStandBarmyArmy wrote:
Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
All about ambition, and we have none.
You obviously haven't been around for the last 40+ years to make such a ridiculous statement.
We have made rapid advances over the last few years and each step becomes harder and harder both structurally and financially. Do you seriously believe we have lacked ambition , if so then you've been walking around with your eyes shut.
The advances we have made over the last 6/7 years have been huge and the financial strain on our major benefactor/s equally so, please respect what we all have achieved through this period; an advance made out of pure AMBITION.
At 27 I obviously haven't been around for 40 years.
I'm not questioning what we have achieved in recent times, but my opinion is that the board didn't realise how difficult it would be at this level, and there is no real ambition for where we go now.
We spend little more now on transfer fee's than we did in our Conference days, and even though we have papered over the cracks, we can't continue to operate like that at this level if we do want to stay here and establish ourselves.
It has been said we are indeed small fry at this level. Its been mentioned before what the choices are.
1. Do nothing and continue to live from free signings and loanee's and do our best to survive.
2. Make a statement and intent and go for it, spend a couple of million and take a gamble.
Even Scunthorpe are able to pay more in transfer fee's, or at least they did last season.
Its not an easy decision, but we are in a unique position that I believe we will only be in once. Why not go for it? I know if I was one of the KM2 with 400+ million, I wouldn;t think twice of investing say 5 million for new players. That is me however, I wouldn;t expect everyone to do the same.
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MrFrost wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
SouthEastStandBarmyArmy wrote:
Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
All about ambition, and we have none.
You obviously haven't been around for the last 40+ years to make such a ridiculous statement.
We have made rapid advances over the last few years and each step becomes harder and harder both structurally and financially. Do you seriously believe we have lacked ambition , if so then you've been walking around with your eyes shut.
The advances we have made over the last 6/7 years have been huge and the financial strain on our major benefactor/s equally so, please respect what we all have achieved through this period; an advance made out of pure AMBITION.
At 27 I obviously haven't been around for 40 years.
I'm not questioning what we have achieved in recent times, but my opinion is that the board didn't realise how difficult it would be at this level, and there is no real ambition for where we go now.
We spend little more now on transfer fee's than we did in our Conference days, and even though we have papered over the cracks, we can't continue to operate like that at this level if we do want to stay here and establish ourselves.
It has been said we are indeed small fry at this level. Its been mentioned before what the choices are.
1. Do nothing and continue to live from free signings and loanee's and do our best to survive.
2. Make a statement and intent and go for it, spend a couple of million and take a gamble.
Even Scunthorpe are able to pay more in transfer fee's, or at least they did last season.
Its not an easy decision, but we are in a unique position that I believe we will only be in once. Why not go for it? I know if I was one of the KM2 with 400+ million, I wouldn;t think twice of investing say 5 million for new players. That is me however, I wouldn;t expect everyone to do the same.
It’s not all about the transfer fee though. In league one, we had a wage bill of around £3 million, and that was in the period that we bought our record transfer fee.
We now have doubled our wage bill from League one, god know how much bigger the wage bill is now compared to our conference days were we did spend a large wedge on a couple of transfer fees, but the wage bill was very low and manageable back then.
These days we can’t afford big fee and wages, its one or the other hence loans and freebies as there isn’t many players out there with a large fee and low wage.
So forget the fee, think of what we spend on salaries
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
SouthEastStandBarmyArmy wrote:
Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
All about ambition, and we have none.
You obviously haven't been around for the last 40+ years to make such a ridiculous statement.
We have made rapid advances over the last few years and each step becomes harder and harder both structurally and financially. Do you seriously believe we have lacked ambition , if so then you've been walking around with your eyes shut.
The advances we have made over the last 6/7 years have been huge and the financial strain on our major benefactor/s equally so, please respect what we all have achieved through this period; an advance made out of pure AMBITION.
At 27 I obviously haven't been around for 40 years.
I'm not questioning what we have achieved in recent times, but my opinion is that the board didn't realise how difficult it would be at this level, and there is no real ambition for where we go now.
We spend little more now on transfer fee's than we did in our Conference days, and even though we have papered over the cracks, we can't continue to operate like that at this level if we do want to stay here and establish ourselves.
It has been said we are indeed small fry at this level. Its been mentioned before what the choices are.
1. Do nothing and continue to live from free signings and loanee's and do our best to survive.
2. Make a statement and intent and go for it, spend a couple of million and take a gamble.
Even Scunthorpe are able to pay more in transfer fee's, or at least they did last season.
Its not an easy decision, but we are in a unique position that I believe we will only be in once. Why not go for it? I know if I was one of the KM2 with 400+ million, I wouldn;t think twice of investing say 5 million for new players. That is me however, I wouldn;t expect everyone to do the same.
It’s not all about the transfer fee though. In league one, we had a wage bill of around £3 million, and that was in the period that we bought our record transfer fee.
We now have doubled our wage bill from League one, god know how much bigger the wage bill is now compared to our conference days were we did spend a large wedge on a couple of transfer fees, but the wage bill was very low and manageable back then.
These days we can’t afford big fee and wages, its one or the other hence loans and freebies as there isn’t many players out there with a large fee and low wage.
So forget the fee, think of what we spend on salaries
Whilst we all acknowledge that the wage bill etc has increased considerably but you seem to have conveniently missed pointing out that income has also increased considerably.
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Good point and it has , I noticed further up the thread correlation only between wages and ST sales whilst ignoring all other income streams.
Obviously any argument must have balance.
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Wellred wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
SouthEastStandBarmyArmy wrote:
Put it this way, next season were gunna have the 3rd maybe even 2nd lowest attendance in the league, and our season ticket sales are more than likely gonna drop again this season (for the second season in a row), unless the board take a huge risk, or season tickets increase rapidly in the next couple of months, You CANNOT expect the board to go out and spend millions on players, whoever it is. Were a tiny fish in a big pond, enjoy it while were here ROVERS TILL I DIE
All about ambition, and we have none.
You obviously haven't been around for the last 40+ years to make such a ridiculous statement.
We have made rapid advances over the last few years and each step becomes harder and harder both structurally and financially. Do you seriously believe we have lacked ambition , if so then you've been walking around with your eyes shut.
The advances we have made over the last 6/7 years have been huge and the financial strain on our major benefactor/s equally so, please respect what we all have achieved through this period; an advance made out of pure AMBITION.
At 27 I obviously haven't been around for 40 years.
I'm not questioning what we have achieved in recent times, but my opinion is that the board didn't realise how difficult it would be at this level, and there is no real ambition for where we go now.
We spend little more now on transfer fee's than we did in our Conference days, and even though we have papered over the cracks, we can't continue to operate like that at this level if we do want to stay here and establish ourselves.
It has been said we are indeed small fry at this level. Its been mentioned before what the choices are.
1. Do nothing and continue to live from free signings and loanee's and do our best to survive.
2. Make a statement and intent and go for it, spend a couple of million and take a gamble.
Even Scunthorpe are able to pay more in transfer fee's, or at least they did last season.
Its not an easy decision, but we are in a unique position that I believe we will only be in once. Why not go for it? I know if I was one of the KM2 with 400+ million, I wouldn;t think twice of investing say 5 million for new players. That is me however, I wouldn;t expect everyone to do the same.
It’s not all about the transfer fee though. In league one, we had a wage bill of around £3 million, and that was in the period that we bought our record transfer fee.
We now have doubled our wage bill from League one, god know how much bigger the wage bill is now compared to our conference days were we did spend a large wedge on a couple of transfer fees, but the wage bill was very low and manageable back then.
These days we can’t afford big fee and wages, its one or the other hence loans and freebies as there isn’t many players out there with a large fee and low wage.
So forget the fee, think of what we spend on salaries
Whilst we all acknowledge that the wage bill etc has increased considerably but you seem to have conveniently missed pointing out that income has also increased considerably.
I did earlier in page one of this thread write.
\"We already operate at £2-3 million deficits (before player sales) based on previous accounts. We get more income now with the new TV deals, but that is basically balanced out because of the wage inflation.\"
Here was the post in full...
We operate at huge loss as it stands though. The annual wage Bill is to creep over the £7 million mark soon, so can the board really afford, or take the risk in such a tight league were nothings guaranteed especially survival?
What would happen if Sharps goals never got us up, or his goals never kept us up?
We already operate at £2-3 million deficits (before player sales) based on previous accounts. We get more income now with the new TV deals, but that is basically balanced out because of the wage inflation.
Billy will cost the board over a million in wage and fee. This will more than likely bring the deficit to £4 million which is a huge gap to plug.
If we get Billy, we would need to go for broke and try to get straight upto the premiership within Sharps contract structure to make it pay; however, we all know football doesn’t go to plan, and we could quite easily land up in league one with or without Billy.
If the plan is to consolidate then is Billy worth the fee and wage? I think not. Also would we be able to tie him down to a longish contract to make it worth it, and give us a chance to sell him on, before his contract would expire.
He wouldn’t be much good to us unless we could tie him down to atleast a three year contract. That way, we would have ample time to flog him, to recover some cash back; however, will Billy want tying down to a lengthy contract?
I will get behind the board whatever they do because they have the clubs best interests at heart, and they have already done more than enough for this club…IMHO.
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hoolahoop wrote:
Good point and it has , I noticed further up the thread correlation only between wages and ST sales whilst ignoring all other income streams.
Obviously any argument must have balance.
If you look at the clubs accounts, we run at multi million pound loses, did we in previous seasons? I bet it cost more to live in the CCC than it does any other fl division.
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My guess is we offered Blades somewhere around 500K plus add ons and have done some homework on what Billy would accept as a wage/length of contract.
I have no doubt, other clubs will match/improve on that offer however, there's no point getting in to a bidding war that we can't win !
I'm sure Billy would love to come to Rovers and would regard it a a shame that we can't match the wages he's being offered by other clubs.
Let's not forget, some clubs can offer the world to players, but I doesn't mean they will get paid every week. Just ask Portsmouth and Palace players !
Bill has to weigh up his options. We have to weigh up our alternatives.
As much as I would love him to sign, for 500/600K and 8 to 10 grand a week, I'd love a player to be able to use both feet !!
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You are right topnotch. The question for comparison could be, a) do we continue to have Directors funding at a rate of, say, 40% of the running costs, or b) do we continue to have directors funding the £100,000 they put in each year at conference level?
The figures are just hypothetical for the sake of argument. If you take a) as the argument, then we clearly have 'no ambition' in the words of Mr Frost. However, if you use the second method, then the ambition is enormous and has probably increased ten fold or more.
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
Good point and it has , I noticed further up the thread correlation only between wages and ST sales whilst ignoring all other income streams.
Obviously any argument must have balance.
If you look at the clubs accounts, we run at multi million pound loses, did we in previous seasons? I bet it cost more to live in the CCC than it does any other fl division.
I'm not advocating a massive spending spree only that the argument has balance. Has anybody got a link to these complete accounts as there seems to be alot of supposedly accurate figures bandied about here............a link would be helpful please. ;)
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
My guess is we offered Blades somewhere around 500K plus add ons and have done some homework on what Billy would accept as a wage/length of contract.
I've seen, in a few places, Blades fans suggesting a figure in the region of £750,000
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Wellred wrote:
[And are JR & KM2 not fans then?
Actually I think you might find if you look back through previous posts (and I believe you are an expert at doing this) you might find that the KM2 are not fans.[/quote]
If they are not fans then doesn't that make it even more special what they are doing for OUR club?
PS Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :angry:[/quote
Who is looking a gift horse in the moth? Simply pointing out Wilts Rovers inaccuracies.[/quote]
Since when has a question been an inaccuracy?
Watson looks quite chuffed when Brian Stock is standing next to him waving the Play-off trophy around on the Wembley DVD - or are you telling me that it is actually the KM2 who have been booing Mark Wilson & Lewis Guy all season
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hoolahoop wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
hoolahoop wrote:
Good point and it has , I noticed further up the thread correlation only between wages and ST sales whilst ignoring all other income streams.
Obviously any argument must have balance.
If you look at the clubs accounts, we run at multi million pound loses, did we in previous seasons? I bet it cost more to live in the CCC than it does any other fl division.
I'm not advocating a massive spending spree only that the argument has balance. Has anybody got a link to these complete accounts as there seems to be alot of supposedly accurate figures bandied about here............a link would be helpful please. ;)
I am not talking about a massive spree either, we lose multi millions (before player sales) as it stands now.
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Razor sharp as ever Wilts :)
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well goodbye billy.
:(
listening to john ryan it sounds like we have offered all we are prepared to give.
bye bye billy.
bye bye another 2000 st holders. :angry:
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wilts rover wrote:
Wellred wrote:
[And are JR & KM2 not fans then?
Actually I think you might find if you look back through previous posts (and I believe you are an expert at doing this) you might find that the KM2 are not fans.
If they are not fans then doesn't that make it even more special what they are doing for OUR club?
PS Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :angry:[/quote
Who is looking a gift horse in the moth? Simply pointing out Wilts Rovers inaccuracies.[/quote]
Since when has a question been an inaccuracy?
Watson looks quite chuffed when Brian Stock is standing next to him waving the Play-off trophy around on the Wembley DVD - or are you telling me that it is actually the KM2 who have been booing Mark Wilson & Lewis Guy all season[/quote]
I have sat in the west stand since the first game and in all truth I have yet to hear anyone booing either Wilson or Guy.
Maybe its because the KM2 sit in the east stand I haven't heard them then. :P :P :P
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jw2 wrote:
well goodbye billy.
:(
listening to john ryan it sounds like we have offered all we are prepared to give.
bye bye billy.
bye bye another 2000 st holders. :angry:
I doubt it will affect the crowds that much, and even if 2k paid 400 pound each for a season ticket, it would only amount to 800k. If buying sharp put 5k on the st books then fair enough, but come on, it would just add to the already crippling debt as it stands.
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i have it on very good authority he wants to stay in yorkshire.
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I have it on very good authority that the moon is made of green cheese.
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jw2 wrote:
i have it on very good authority he wants to stay in yorkshire.
That rules out Hull & Boro then ;)
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I must be getting old... I eally can't see why people trouble to get so het up about all this. No one on this thread makes any of the decisions. No one on this thread makes any meaningful contribution to the costs involved. No one on this thread has any knowledge of what is and is not possible and what has and has not been offered. so what we do have is a load of speculation, a load of 'I don't believe we offered more than....' when that is, by definition, an uninformed and therefore valueless contribution.
Another interesting point to this thread though is the clear and obvious split between those that think with their gonads and those that think with their brains. There's some cracking examples of both on here.
Me? I really don't care who we buy. Or who we sell. It ain't my money that's being spent. It ain't me putting in all the effort, time and worry. I simply enjoy supporting the Rovers irrespective of what league they happen to be in. I was perfectly happy in the Conference. I'd still be happy in the Unibond. I support the club. I don't make that support conditional upon signing this player or that player.
Cheers
BobG
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this has the makings of the first 'one mile thread' on the VSC forum
good olde billy sharp
he came in peace and left rovers fans in pieces
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Barmby Rover wrote:
..... options for replacements for Heffs, which is what we are really talking about.
Oh the irony! We are now on the hunt for a striker with the qualities of Heffs....I know....how about Paul Heffernan???........Doh!
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if we paid the transfer fee of 750,000 or so and billy contributes just 15 goals per season for the next two years what would he be worth to sell then.
i'm sure 15 is less than he would expect :
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adge wrote:
if we paid the transfer fee of 750,000 or so and billy contributes just 15 goals per season for the next two years what would he be worth to sell then.
i'm sure 15 is less than he would expect :
Would we be able to tie him down to a lengthy contract tho? This was one of my main points, earlier in the thread.
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Note to self - read BobG first in future.
I'm a Rovers fan, not a Championship fan: the context of the team is irrelevant for my support
You can have all the ambition you like, but if you have finite resources, then you have to have finite ambition. The line has to be drawn somewhere which is what Ryan looks to have done.
We could 'speculate to accumulate' just like Leeds/Portsmouth/Derby/Wendies/ have done. Worked a blinder for them.
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BobG wrote:
Me? I really don't care who we buy. Or who we sell. It ain't my money that's being spent. It ain't me putting in all the effort, time and worry. I simply enjoy supporting the Rovers irrespective of what league they happen to be in. I was perfectly happy in the Conference. I'd still be happy in the Unibond. I support the club. I don't make that support conditional upon signing this player or that player.
Cheers
BobG
Best post in this entire damn thread Bob.
Brilliant. :scarf: :scarf:
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
Would we be able to tie him down to a lengthy contract tho? This was one of my main points, earlier in the thread.[/quote]
That is critical topnotch because Billy would be an investment which we could use to attempt to push for the play offs over next couple of years and worse case scenario we would recoup most of our money! the length of contract is more key than the fee or wages imo
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Thinwhiteduke wrote:
BobG wrote:
Me? I really don't care who we buy. Or who we sell. It ain't my money that's being spent. It ain't me putting in all the effort, time and worry. I simply enjoy supporting the Rovers irrespective of what league they happen to be in. I was perfectly happy in the Conference. I'd still be happy in the Unibond. I support the club. I don't make that support conditional upon signing this player or that player.
Cheers
BobG
Best post in this entire damn thread Bob.
Brilliant. :scarf: :scarf:
May as well get rid of the forum then as we don't care :laugh:
We all have passion, simples.
And Ive seen Bob in some heated debates, that he cant change or influence, so either he is fed up or erm :blink:
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Thank you Vaya. Thank you TWD. :):):)
Cheers
BobG
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[/quote]
And Ive seen Bob in some heated debates, so either he his fed up or erm :blink:[/quote]
I like a good debate me TND! But they're usually grounded in some kind of fact based context. This thread though is grounded in fantasy, imagination and speculation. It's utterly pointless. All it does is put on public display the relative abilities of its contributors.
Cheers :)
BobG
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BobG wrote:
And Ive seen Bob in some heated debates, so either he his fed up or erm :blink:[/quote]
I like a good debate me TND! But they're usually grounded in some kind of fact based context. This thread though is grounded in fantasy, imagination and speculation. It's utterly pointless. All it does is put on public display the relative abilities of its contributors.
Cheers :)
BobG[/quote]
I know Bob, but you can stop excitement :laugh:
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This thread though is grounded in fantasy, imagination and speculation. It's utterly pointless. All it does is put on public display the relative abilities of its contributors.
An incredibly simple and solid comment I can only agree with the above sentiment.
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BobG wrote:
And Ive seen Bob in some heated debates, so either he his fed up or erm :blink:[/quote]
I like a good debate me TND! But they're usually grounded in some kind of fact based context. This thread though is grounded in fantasy, imagination and speculation. It's utterly pointless. All it does is put on public display the relative abilities of its contributors.
Cheers :)
BobG[/quote]
You refer to the abilities of the contributors. Is this another dig at the \"intellectually challenged\"?
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DN5Rover wrote:
This thread though is grounded in fantasy, imagination and speculation. It's utterly pointless. All it does is put on public display the relative abilities of its contributors.
An incredibly simple and solid comment I can only agree with the above sentiment.
This is a place where fans come to talk about Rovers, so why get all morale? It's a message board, not who is the best diplomat :unsure:
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Not particularly Mr Frost. But if you feel it applies, feel free to do so.
Cheers
BobG
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
DN5Rover wrote:
This thread though is grounded in fantasy, imagination and speculation. It's utterly pointless. All it does is put on public display the relative abilities of its contributors.
An incredibly simple and solid comment I can only agree with the above sentiment.
This is a place where fans come to talk about Rovers, so why get all morale? It's a message board, not who is the best diplomat :unsure:
Some sense at last. Unfortunately, if you upset the apple cart, your reputation on here will be permanately scarred.
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Although why we can't push the boat out and get a golden jewel-encrusted apple cart is beyond me.
No ambition some people.
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vaya wrote:
Although why we can't push the boat out and get a golden jewel-encrusted apple cart is beyond me.
No ambition some people.
Maybe Derby offer ones with twice as many diamonds on them?
:P
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Bob,
Just PM'd you, mate.
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RobTheRover wrote:
Bob,
Just PM'd you, mate.
oooo that sounds rude Rob.
Is pming the new teabagging?
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coventryrover wrote:
RobTheRover wrote:
Bob,
Just PM'd you, mate.
oooo that sounds rude Rob.
Is pming the new teabagging?
Very ominous, isn't it :ohmy:
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Ectually m'dears I can't quite describe what it was that just happened. But I can tell you I enjoyed it very, very much indeed :) So thank you very, very much indeed to Mr Rob the Rover. Ooh! He IS a darling :)
Cheers
BobG
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My forepenneth worth is that you can not undermine the financial stability of a club to chase the dream.
Unfortunately teams like Leeds, forest, wednesday etc can go the extra hog in this division regarding wages etc because their attendances and commercial incomes are bigger than that of the rovers.
Wouldnt it be great if more donny folk were activeley involved in supporting the hoops?
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BobG wrote:
Ectually m'dears I can't quite describe what it was that happened. But I can tell you I enjoyed it very, very much indeed :) So thank you very, very much indeed to Mr Rob the Rover. Ooh! He IS a darling :)
Cheers
BobG
FILTH!!!
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BobG wrote:
Ectually m'dears I can't quite describe what it was that happened. But I can tell you I enjoyed it very, very much indeed :) So thank you very, very much indeed to Mr Rob the Rover. Ooh! He IS a darling :)
Cheers
BobG
Steady on, fellas. We'll have Nudga and Cussy opening a whole new can of worms here in a minute.
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Filo wrote:
\"Doing the Honourable thing when we played Sheff Utd, and we, off our own back refused to let Billy play against them, did n`t stand us in good stead did it?\"
Something you're not telling us Dave? Ha! :laugh:
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coventryrover wrote:
My forepenneth worth is that you can not undermine the financial stability of a club to chase the dream.
Unfortunately teams like Leeds, forest, wednesday etc can go the extra hog in this division regarding wages etc because their attendances and commercial incomes are bigger than that of the rovers.
Wouldnt it be great if more donny folk were activeley involved in supporting the hoops?
Here's a marketing idea - get teams of people in town to stop anyone wearing Premiership shirt and ask thenm why they don't support their local team. Anyone (I'd guess the majority) with spurious reasons gets 'WEAK' tattooed on their forehead.
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Lads! I'm bloody wetting mesen laughing now!!!
Top marks Cov and Rob. I'm still laughing like a busted drain.
Cheers
BobG
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What I find a little strange is after loaning him from Sheff utd for a full season you would think with regular communication between the clubs management that Rovers would have a pretty good idea how much it will cost for us to buy Billy from Sheff Utd?The fact we put a bid in at all makes me think we must have thought we had a good chance.
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BobG wrote:
Lads! I'm bloody wetting mesen laughing now!!!
Top marks Cov and Rob. I'm still laughing like a busted drain.
Cheers
BobG
hey I hope you are not thinking of rob and I in THAT way!!!! Hes to hirsute for me :)
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And you are too bloody swarthy!
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RobTheRover wrote:
And you are too bloody swarthy!
I hope thats because he has been working down the mine?
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RobTheRover wrote:
BobG wrote:
Ectually m'dears I can't quite describe what it was that happened. But I can tell you I enjoyed it very, very much indeed :) So thank you very, very much indeed to Mr Rob the Rover. Ooh! He IS a darling :)
Cheers
BobG
Steady on, fellas. We'll have Nudga and Cussy opening a whole new can of worms here in a minute.
Roberto, I am positively moist, nay, i'm sopping wet through. ;)
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This thread seems to have lost it's way slightly in the last page or so, there's been some thought-provoking discussion - some of which I've (possibly inaccurately) paraphrase...
'Wages?' 'Length of Contract?' 'Size of bid?' 'Why go anywhere else Bill when you know you love it here and are loved?' 'investment/sell-on value?' 'Established or small-fry?' 'Support the club or the CCC?' yadda, yadda, yadda...
Let's not forget that despite Billy coming in last year and doing a super job, he was a contingency, last minute, emergency back-up plan and target for S O'D behind Chris Killen (Which undeniably worked a treat for all parties concerned!) Many of us thought that Billy was perhaps too similar to what we already had and maybe we'd been short changed and settled for second choice - who's to say that should we (as would seem likely imho at the mo) miss out on Billy our latest contingency plan could be just as effective and inspiring as the last!
In S O'D, JR, R O'K, MW and colleagues we need to trust!
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What a cracking and sensible post that is A14475. Thank you. We all needed to be reminded of the points you made - particularly the ones about BS, how he arrived and what we thought of him when he did. Now you've jogged my memory there was indeed a plethora of threads commenting on his too similar style to what he had already.
Cheers
BobG
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RobTheRover wrote:
Steady on, fellas. We'll have Nudga and Cussy opening a whole new can of worms here in a minute.
Aye. Then sticking their tackle in it. At the same time. Just outside Newton's chippy. In broad daylight.
FILTH.
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Al4475 wrote:
Let's not forget that despite Billy coming in last year and doing a super job, he was a contingency, last minute, emergency back-up plan and target for S O'D behind Chris Killen
Actually Alan, that is not quite right. SOD maintains that Sharp was on the list from day one, but he thought we had no chance of tempting him here or affording him.
The fact we paid all his wages for the entire loan tells everyone all they need to know about the board's ambition.
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Can we have some proper news not propaganda.
Paying Billy's wages in full, failed to make even the smallest dent in our board's wealth.
Viewing this board is like watching an episode of The Paul Daniels Magic Show.
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I would love it if Billy was to sign on, I think there is merit in the argument that we could recoup the fee and a sizeable part of his wages when he is inevitably sold on (as with Wellens and Mills). in my opinion though what made that possible was SOD, he has had the knack of identifying talent, developing it and selling it on, and not just with young kids, but a mixture. I think there should be more focus on what SOD wants / needs to keep him happy at the club.
And finally, I will never having anything but a massive debt of gratitude to what JR has done for this club.
RTID
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This is quoted from Blades mad
I heard we turned down Sharp offer cause they wouldnt give us permission to talk to O'Driscoll
:laugh: :laugh: as if.What a load of rubbish
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Intresting seems Sharp is not too happy about the offer being turned down if we are to believe it coming from sharp.
http://www.teamtalk.com/doncaster-rovers/6165709/In-demand-Sharp-to-talk-with-Blades
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Smeg wrote:
Can we have some proper news not propaganda.
Paying Billy's wages in full, failed to make even the smallest dent in our board's wealth.
Viewing this board is like watching an episode of The Paul Daniels Magic Show.
The point is though, Smeg, that virtually all the supporters believed Sheff U were paying a big chunk of Billy's wages last season, and that we were keeping within our ceiling cap on wages. It was only as the season drew to a close that the real information came out.
To me, that moved the goalposts significantly on whether supporters should doubt the club's ambition. Believe me, JR and the rest of the board are trying to move mountains to get the right players in next season, and SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had.
There is no propaganda. Well, \"not a lot\".
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it's not difficult to read between the lines here
1/JR asked billy if he would accept a transfer to rovers..answer seems to be yes so wages and length of contract not a problem
2/ JR duly put in a bid reported as £650,000 plus unknown add ons
3/ united turned the bid down as not enough and not that they don't want to sell.
right...now the facts of life here
1/no one makes a bid as a take it or leave it and JR will not have given up
2/ united having turned the bid down publicly [ and i'm sue having heard rumours ]will be hoping this starts an auction as they clearly want to sell.
the key is knowing they want to sell where does billy want to go..
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RobTheRover wrote:
Smeg wrote:
Can we have some proper news not propaganda.
Paying Billy's wages in full, failed to make even the smallest dent in our board's wealth.
Viewing this board is like watching an episode of The Paul Daniels Magic Show.
The point is though, Smeg, that virtually all the supporters believed Sheff U were paying a big chunk of Billy's wages last season, and that we were keeping within our ceiling cap on wages. It was only as the season drew to a close that the real information came out.
To me, that moved the goalposts significantly on whether supporters should doubt the club's ambition. Believe me, JR and the rest of the board are trying to move mountains to get the right players in next season, and SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had.
There is no propaganda. Well, \"not a lot\".
I hope I don't appear to be negative here Rob (I am sure certain individuals will think differently however) but where has it ever been announced that SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had?
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RobTheRover wrote:
Smeg wrote:
Can we have some proper news not propaganda.
Paying Billy's wages in full, failed to make even the smallest dent in our board's wealth.
Viewing this board is like watching an episode of The Paul Daniels Magic Show.
The point is though, Smeg, that virtually all the supporters believed Sheff U were paying a big chunk of Billy's wages last season, and that we were keeping within our ceiling cap on wages. It was only as the season drew to a close that the real information came out.
To me, that moved the goalposts significantly on whether supporters should doubt the club's ambition. Believe me, JR and the rest of the board are trying to move mountains to get the right players in next season, and SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had.
There is no propaganda. Well, \"not a lot\".
I'm glad to hear they are moving mountains. What gets my goat is not who we sign or how much we are paying but the lack of proper communication and indeed misinformation that exists. Sometimes I feel the club is taking the piss to be honest. Gone are the days of \"Poor little Donny Rovers\" who haven't got a penny to spend. We are a Championship club and I think it's time we started acting like one.
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Wellred wrote:
RobTheRover wrote:
I hope I don't appear to be negative here Rob (I am sure certain individuals will think differently however) but where has it ever been announced that SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had?
I don't think it has...wasn't Rob just telling us that from the (VSC) horse's mouth?
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Wellred wrote:
I hope I don't appear to be negative here Rob (I am sure certain individuals will think differently however) but where has it ever been announced that SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had?
Get with it! It's been reported in so many places that it even managed to reach the official site last week
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2051861,00.html
So it must be true.
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Forgive my ignorance, but if Billy Sharp really wants to join us and other clubs had higher bids excepted, could he refuse and force Sheff utd's hand? If so they would have to make do with £650K!
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Jonathan wrote:
Wellred wrote:
I hope I don't appear to be negative here Rob (I am sure certain individuals will think differently however) but where has it ever been announced that SOD has been given the biggest transfer budget this club has ever had?
Get with it! It's been reported in so many places that it even managed to reach the official site last week
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2051861,00.html
So it must be true.
Doncaster Rovers chairman John Ryan has revealed that manager Sean O'Driscoll has been given the largest budget ever given to a Rovers manager in the Club's history - as the boss looks to add to his squad this summer.
That doesn't say that SOD has been given the largest TRANSFER budget!!
Read into that what you will but it most definitely doesn't say what Rob said!!
It means he has been given the largest operating budget for the season surely?
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They don't have to 'make do' with £650k - they've turned it down! Clearly they think they can get more and have opened up the flood gates, which puts us out of it - unless of course Billy isn't in it just for the money!
Now let me see - money and footballers - er!
How many on here, though would have thought that he would have gone for that amount - if indeed that IS the amount! I would have thought higher than that, myself.
I'll be amazed if we get him now. :(
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donnybel wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but if Billy Sharp really wants to join us and other clubs had higher bids excepted, could he refuse and force Sheff utd's hand? If so they would have to make do with £650K!
If all parties involved were steadfast and would not budge from those positions Then ultimately Billy would have to carry on seeing out his contract at Sheff utd.But Sheff utd will lose him for nothing at the end of his contract so hence negotiations with ALL parties involved are necessary and more than likely eventually will end with someone or all involved moving positions until a decision is made.
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Drover wrote:
donnybel wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but if Billy Sharp really wants to join us and other clubs had higher bids excepted, could he refuse and force Sheff utd's hand? If so they would have to make do with £650K!
If all parties involved were steadfast and would not budge from those positions Then ultimately Billy would have to carry on seeing out his contract at Sheff utd.But Sheff utd will lose him for nothing at the end of his contract so hence negotiations with ALL parties involved are necessary and more than likely eventually will end with someone or all involved moving positions until a decision is made.
With players holding all the power these days, and players earning more when becoming free agents, isn't it in Billies interest to see out his contract with Sheff u so that he can basically name his wage next summer?
If Billy was awkward, he could block all moves and see out his contract. Sheff utd would probably loan him out again to cut the wage bill!
Wouldn't it be nice if we got Billy on loan again :)
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Thanks for that information Drover and Topnotch,it really is dog eat dog! Me? I can't wait for August... back to the footie and an end of this rumour stuff, well until Jan anyway! :)
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The situation over Billy and whether we manage to sign him or not reminds me of just before we signed Heffs.The rumours going round was that he was signing for Oldham and alot of us got disappointed and thought we had lost out when JR had smartly done the business behind the seens and the rest is history.Hope the same happens with Billy and we can boast our new signing to all the Leeds rumour mungers.Not that I care about Leeds? :laugh:
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The way i see it is Billy is a man of is word. He has said he wants to come to us and i wouldn't be suprised if JR has and Bily have agreed a wage and all is left is the fee with Sheff u. I don't think Billy is drove by money and imo will be happy with a deal on the same or round about what we paid him during is loan. As we all now know we are willing to pay that so imo it all looks good.
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Red Wizard wrote:
The way i see it is Billy is a man of is word.
I don't think Billy is drove by money
Chuffing hell, I thought we were trying to sign a centre forward, not the reincarnation of Jesus Christ/Buddha/Mahatma Ghandi rolled into one.
He's a FOOTBALLER. If someone offers him twice the wages that we offer, but on condition that he wipe his arse on his Donny shirt, he'll have 15 pints and a vindaloo beforehand to make sure he is particularly claggy for the said deed.
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Red Wizard wrote:
I don't think Billy is drove by money and imo will be happy with a deal on the same or round about what we paid him during is loan. As we all now know we are willing to pay that so imo it all looks good.
Even chuffinger hell :)
So what pearls of wisdom lead you to suggest that \"I don't think Billy is drove by money\" then? And what other inside knowledge have you been given access to that leads you to to the opinion that Billy \"will be happy with a deal on the same or round about what we paid him during is loan\"?
To think I pay my taxes for an education system that produces this as a serious contribution to debate...
Cheers
BobG