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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Norfolk N Chance on May 24, 2010, 01:26:42 pm
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Standing at 4358 with the second deadline nearly here - simply awful!!!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Standing at 4358 with the second deadline nearly here - simply awful!!!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
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We've sold about 200 then in the last month. I think we will struggle to sell over 5000. Who's to blame? The fans, or poor marketing from the club?
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A mixture of the economic crisis, job losses, marketing, and inspirational signings!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Standing at 4358 with the second deadline nearly here - simply awful!!!
What do you expect, we are only in May. The board should have a reality check and drop the deadlines; however, i doubt that would change much anyway. We are in a recession, simple as really.
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The country is actually out of recession.
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Doncaster was hit pretty hard and has poor employment levels anyway.
Plus our fanbase is quite new, so a lot will prioritise, and Rovers wont be top of their priorities in these difficult times.
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I understand that. However, the club could have done alot more to generate more sales. Better marketing, monthly installment plan to help those struggling to pay all at once. Why they can't implement things like this I will never know.
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MrFrost wrote:
I understand that. However, the club could have done alot more to generate more sales. Better marketing, monthly installment plan to help those struggling to pay all at once. Why they can't implement things like this I will never know.
I agree.
I was only expecting 5k st sales because of the deadlines and poor marketing by the club. If you think about it, we have had 5k st holders since Belle Vue (some years now) so I think we have 5k (hardcore) fans that will buy st's come hell or highwater.
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Yet people want us to spend up to a million on players - astonishing.
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We've bid almost a million for Billy. Gartom has said it was alot higher than 650k, so we are obviously willing to spend this regardless of how many we sell.
Unless there is a massive late surge, I can't see many more being sold.
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Think we have come as far as we can - hold your head in shame - donny public!
Oh well - at least Leeds will be back in the top flight soon so you can waste your money on them!
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I'm not buying a ST so im gonna hang my head in shame lol
Im gonna spend my money how i like and if it means on holidays,clothes,family etc, etc and Rovers are about 10th down the line so be it
simples
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If a monhtly payment plan was an option, would people who haven't renewed consider renewing on such a scheme?
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That's fine but don't be one of the ones complaining about lack of funds from the board.
Simples.
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When cheapest ST at Barnsley is £299 ( and does not rise on a time scale ) and cheapest at KMS is £380 ( Rising to £420 @1st june ) a difference of £120 , i think its reasonable to assume current climate being as it is Barnsley will inevitably sell more ST. Allied to that is the method of payment ( spreading cost ). Still if Barnsley get 12000 ST sales ( at the lowest price ), for same revenue return DRFC would only require 8500 ( again at the lowest price ). Now i can see Barnsley selling 12000, but not DRFC selling 8500.
Studies have revealed that ST sales are dependent on previous seasons performances -
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Cant be the football that puts folk off can it?
Must be pricing structure then !!.
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Excuse my ignorance here, but don't the Rovers provide ANY installment option at all?
Surely they can't just demand full payment or nowt at all?
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They do but you pay for next years in advance. Unfortunately barely anyone uses it or thinks ahead that they might need to save for a ST.
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
They do but you pay for next years in advance. Unfortunately barely anyone uses it or thinks ahead that they might need to save for a ST.
What do they teach at school nowadays?
That's not paying by instalments that's a savings plan.
Anyone can put so much money in a bank account each week to pay for next years season ticket.
Like many probably on here I put coins in a jar each week so that when my season ticket is due I have the money.
That isn't paying by instalments BFYP
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Does anyone know when the figure was last updated? Seem to me that it has not been changed for a while.
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As posted before, the projection for sales as indicated the poll is around 4700. Yes it's piss poor considering where we are at the moment.
I've said it all along that the pricing policy does not reflect the economic climate, and if you take liberties with price people will walk.
Rovers and the majority of football need to wake up and smell the coffee. Only Delia Smith last week said in an article that football needs to be brought back to the average fan.
Ian Holloway commented after the play - off final that they should being the price of the game down to make it more accessible for more fans to come and watch their heroes.
I our case to lose 3500 ST holders in 2 seasons is careless if not complacent.
The club should admit they got it wrong, drop the prices and think about ways of making up the difference for those who have renewed already.
New shirt anyone ? Deposit of next season's ST ?
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Isn't the technical phrase advance payment by instalments? Certainly is on the accounting degree course that I finish in 2 weeks time.
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The figure has been updated today, but has only increased very slightly.
I reckon we are one of the only clubs not to offer a direct debit plan to pay monthly. I'm mates with a Sheff Utd fan, who has taken out an option with them for his season ticket. You pay a little extra for it, but as he says, it was the difference between him either getting one or not.
Like someone has pointed out, we could have potentially lost 3500 season ticket holders in the last couple of years. To say where we are and how we did last season, that is simply dreadful.
The club haven't marketed the season ticket at all. God knows why, it isn't hard.
Its probably too late to change anything now for the coming season, but will lessons be learned for the future?
I wonder what the reaction of the board will be when we struggle to average 9k next year?
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When we are talking about \"installments\" do we mean pay monthly as the season goes along? Or pay monthly as this season goes along to pay for one next season?
If its the former perhaps the club can't cope with not having the cash up front? How do clubs that offer this at the moment \"police\" people who lose interest during the season and cancel their direct debits?
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It can be beneficial for the club to have more floaters than ST holders.
Think about it.
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Sorry we can blame the club all you want and it was pretty poor marketing this figure is extremely poor.
The realisation that we have come as far as we can is not nice but plain and simple for all to see.
This is non league stuff and the donny public will get what they deserve f**k ALL!!!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Sorry we can blame the club all you want and it was pretty poor marketing this figure is extremely poor.
The realisation that we have come as far as we can is not nice but plain and simple for all to see.
This is non league stuff and the donny public will get what they deserve fcuk ALL!!!
It will take atleast a decade for us to grow. Some Donnyfolk came, but the novelty wore off. We cant expect the Donny public to jump on the wagon. We need to capture the next generation of fan, and to do that we need to sustain this level.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Sorry we can blame the club all you want and it was pretty poor marketing this figure is extremely poor.
The realisation that we have come as far as we can is not nice but plain and simple for all to see.
This is non league stuff and the donny public will get what they deserve fcuk ALL!!!
Don't forget a lot of people have lost their jobs recently (Jarvis as one example). Even more folk are having overtime cut backs, self employed tradesmen have been scratting about for work in the last two years. More jobs operate on a 24/7 basis so finding the time to go is equally difficult. Some folk on here and the club are too quick to criticise the public when the price of going to a football match is some what extortionate. If the club would trim the tickets to about £15 a game you would see a vast improvement.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Sorry we can blame the club all you want and it was pretty poor marketing this figure is extremely poor.
The realisation that we have come as far as we can is not nice but plain and simple for all to see.
This is non league stuff and the donny public will get what they deserve fcuk ALL!!!
What if we get more people coming through the gates after buying tickets just before matches? It's not all about season tickets.
Granted the club have done feck all about marketing/incentivising season ticket purchases
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Nudga wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Sorry we can blame the club all you want and it was pretty poor marketing this figure is extremely poor.
The realisation that we have come as far as we can is not nice but plain and simple for all to see.
This is non league stuff and the donny public will get what they deserve fcuk ALL!!!
Don't forget a lot of people have lost their jobs recently (Jarvis as one example). Even more folk are having overtime cut backs, self employed tradesmen have been scratting about for work in the last two years. More jobs operate on a 24/7 basis so finding the time to go is equally difficult. Some folk on here and the club are too quick to criticise the public when the price of going to a football match is some what extortionate. If the club would trim the tickets to about £15 a game you would see a vast improvement.
I agree, its far too expensive, and I am surprised we get the crowds we do.
We've grown so fast and a lot of our fans are relatively new and haven't been life long supporters, so Rovers is bound to be low in their priorities in difficult times.
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here is some food for thought
if doncaster rovers was to sign billy sharp,buy how many
would that increase the season ticket sales???
i dont think there will be tented citys outside KMS overnight
to renew or get season ticket
my guess 500 tops
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think we have come as far as we can - hold your head in shame - donny public!
Oh well - at least Leeds will be back in the top flight soon so you can waste your money on them!
A combination of working Saturdays and working in a supermarket both contributes to why I don't have a ST.
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The ecomonic situation is obviously a factor but when you compare with Barnsley who has higher unemployment than here it does not wash.
The harsh reality given the massive size of the borough the football fans buy ST elsewhere/ anywhere but in their home town - hard thing to stomach but true!
2% of the borough own a ST at the present time FACT!
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
The ecomonic situation is obviously a factor but when you compare with Barnsley who has higher unemployment than here it does not wash.
The harsh reality given the massive size of the borough the football fans buy ST elsewhere/ anywhere but in their home town - hard thing to stomach but true!
2% of the borough own a ST at the present time FACT!
Barnsley have and have had cheaper tickets than we have. Barnsley didn't tumble out of the football league and lose thousands of fans and become a joke football club. Barnsley had a season in the Prem which gave their fan base a massive boost.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
The ecomonic situation is obviously a factor but when you compare with Barnsley who has higher unemployment than here it does not wash.
The harsh reality given the massive size of the borough the football fans buy ST elsewhere/ anywhere but in their home town - hard thing to stomach but true!
2% of the borough own a ST at the present time FACT!
And Barnsleys fan base is pathetic as they have been at a decent level for 40 years. So on this evidence, our crowds are brilliant when you consider our dramatic rise.
And our population is only 40k more, and i bet we have 40k supporting other clubs because we were shyte.
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When I look at some of these postings, it's easy to understand why journos call summer the silly season.
Jeez, get a grip everybody -- there's no crisis of any kind.
When the signings are announced, ST sales will at the very least equal to last season's.
Also, Barnsley is a bad comparison, because their fans still have ideas above their station thanks to their flirtation with the PL in the late 90s and their FA Cup win in 1472.
Seriously, Barnsley have performed relatively well since Alan Clark took them out of D4 in 1979, so they have had more than a generation to build their fan base -- we are still going through that process, but are currently hampered by the serious economic difficulties in the Metropolitan area.
Also, it's easy to understand how so many clubs get into serious financial difficulties when you see fans on here moaning and wailing about low gates, yet urging us to make big money signings and pay big money salaries.
JR and his directors have a plan, so be patient -- but I'm afraid patience isn't a feature of young people in this post Thatcher/Blair period of get it all and get it now!
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When I look at some of these postings, it's easy to understand why journos call summer the silly season.
Jeez, get a grip everybody -- there's no crisis of any kind.
When the signings are announced, ST sales will at the very least equal to last season's.
Also, Barnsley is a bad comparison, because their fans still have ideas above their station thanks to their flirtation with the PL in the late 90s and their FA Cup win in 1472.
Seriously, Barnsley have performed relatively well since Alan Clark took them out of D4 in 1979, so they have had more than a generation to build their fan base -- we are still going through that process, but are currently hampered by the serious economic difficulties in the Metropolitan area.
Also, it's easy to understand how so many clubs get into serious financial difficulties when you see fans on here moaning and wailing about low gates, yet urging us to make big money signings and pay big money salaries.
JR and his directors have a plan, so be patient -- but I'm afraid patience isn't a feature of young people in this post Thatcher/Blair period of get it all and get it now!
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When the signings are announced, ST sales will at the very least equal to last season's
I'd love to share your optimism but absolutely no chance. If we signed Lionel Messi we might just make it.
People are put off by the cost. In the past you asked a mate if they want to go to Rovers and the response would be ok, where shall we meet.
Now it's.....
1. How much is a ticket ?
2. Is that the cheapest ?
3. How do I get a ticket ?
4. Why can't I sit with you ?
5. Shit, the wife's just reminded me I've got to go to my second cousins wedding reception. It doesn't start while 8 but I can't afford a night out and the Rovers !
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
When the signings are announced, ST sales will at the very least equal to last season's
I'd love to share your optimism but absolutely no chance. If we signed Lionel Messi we might just make it.
People are put off by the cost. In the past you asked a mate if they want to go to Rovers and the response would be ok, where shall we meet.
Now it's.....
1. How much is a ticket ?
2. Is that the cheapest ?
3. How do I get a ticket ?
4. Why can't I sit with you ?
5. Shit, the wife's just reminded me I've got to go to my second cousins wedding reception. It doesn't start while 8 but I can't afford a night out and the Rovers !
And rightly so.
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DonnyNoel wrote:
When we are talking about \"installments\" do we mean pay monthly as the season goes along? Or pay monthly as this season goes along to pay for one next season?
If its the former perhaps the club can't cope with not having the cash up front? How do clubs that offer this at the moment \"police\" people who lose interest during the season and cancel their direct debits?
Sheff Utd have the barcode readers when you enter the stadium. If you haven't paid your direct debit that month, you don't get in the stadium.
Offer a scheme like this, and I would predict alot more season tickets sold. Especially those with a family who would buy several season tickets.
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MrFrost wrote:
DonnyNoel wrote:
When we are talking about \"installments\" do we mean pay monthly as the season goes along? Or pay monthly as this season goes along to pay for one next season?
If its the former perhaps the club can't cope with not having the cash up front? How do clubs that offer this at the moment \"police\" people who lose interest during the season and cancel their direct debits?
Sheff Utd have the barcode readers when you enter the stadium. If you haven't paid your direct debit that month, you don't get in the stadium.
Offer a scheme like this, and I would predict alot more season tickets sold. Especially those with a family who would buy several season tickets.
PMSL them electronic turnstiles that let every 3rd man in?
You need more men to cover its malfunctions thus higher prices :laugh:
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Possaibly so Mr Frost. ST sales might increase. But, please help me, what information leads you to say 'I would predict a lot more ST's sold'? I wasn't aware of this research.
Cheers
BobG
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Interesting thoughts about pricing led me to this:
In Season 1990/91, 20,000 people stood on the Stretford End at Old Trafford, home of Manchester United and paid £4 per game, at Arsenal in the same season, thousands stood on the North Bank, Highbury and paid £6. These prices were around the same price as attending the cinema.
Average salary in 1990 was about £20k - if you're lucky enough to be working now the average wage is approx. £40k - Before anyone shouts that they'd love to be Mr(or Mrs) Average that was also the case back in 1990 - South Yorkshire traditionally houses many people earning way below the average.
Th difference here is that instead of going to a football game to stand on the terrace (mainly blokes and their lads, and teen lads) and going for a slash round the back of the stand you now have a \"football experience\" with flush toilets & seats & families.
A bunch of lads can't think \"lets go to the Rovers today\" grab a fiver each and get off to the match.
Now I'm not saying that the change is bad (or good) but you pay for a different way of 'enjoying' the product.
It can't be made £15 per game without reimbursing the 4800 or so ST buyers - if it were £15 per game would the increased attendances make up the shortfall? Would players accept a pay cut? Would we attract new players if we offered worse terms & conditions?
Either embrace the change or leave it alone - football is seemingly marketed at corporate entities and people with reasonable disposable income, not at Mr/Mrs 'working class' and their kids.
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Agree wholeheartedly en aitch, if i take the good lady and her two kids my day at DRFC approaches £100 - car parking, 3 extra tickets, expensive programmes and so on. It's a very different experience to what it was like 20 years ago.
However this is the same in all ways of life - If we go golfing, after clothes shoes and clubs, green fees, petrol, food and pint (if required) again it can approach (and in some cases extend above £100).
Even at the Little Theatre for a show £8 for me and the missus, £6 apiece for the two kids, drinks, car parking and sweets etc - can cost £50 - that's just life in Britain today.
That said - I think i'm perhaps in a minority now by saying that I prefer the way things are now (with the exception of inflated prices for shite food) as it becomes a wonderful family day out, and in this day and age that's a rare commodity.
Still very pricey mind but for health and safety reasons and for the family atmosphere (which eventually leads to more future DRFC fans) i'm not sure that can be helped. They'll no doubt all join me at the KMS come August regardless!
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BobG wrote:
Possaibly so Mr Frost. ST sales might increase. But, please help me, what information leads you to say 'I would predict a lot more ST's sold'? I wasn't aware of this research.
Cheers
BobG
Its common sense to assume they would.
Plenty of people aren't renewing because they cannot afford it in one go.
Give them the option to spread the cost, they will renew.
The fact we can't offer some kind of payment plan is very shortsighted from the club.
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Perhaps someone on here should introduce your management Team to Zebra Finance? I understand they sort out installment plans for a number of team's season tickets, and if their rates are competitive enough for Uncle Kenneth, they must be worth a good look at.
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If you can't afford a ticket why take on a debt with potential extra interest payments to increase your outgoings even more?
Why not set up a little savings plan for next season right now?
I'm under threat of redundancy so I won't risk spending the full amount on a ticket now any more than I'd take on a loan that i may have to default on.
However if I survive the cut I will pay-as-I-go ....
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en aitch wrote:
If you can't afford a ticket why take on a debt with potential extra interest payments to increase your outgoings even more?
Why not set up a little savings plan for next season right now?
I'm under threat of redundancy so I won't risk spending the full amount on a ticket now any more than I'd take on a loan that i may have to default on.
However if I survive the cut I will pay-as-I-go ....
Now there's a new fangled idea. I am sure those who would like to go to a match can pay on a match by match basis
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coventryrover wrote:
en aitch wrote:
If you can't afford a ticket why take on a debt with potential extra interest payments to increase your outgoings even more?
Why not set up a little savings plan for next season right now?
I'm under threat of redundancy so I won't risk spending the full amount on a ticket now any more than I'd take on a loan that i may have to default on.
However if I survive the cut I will pay-as-I-go ....
Now there's a new fangled idea. I am sure those who would like to go to a match can pay on a match by match basis
Yep and then all we have to do is stop all them Know-alls saying season tickets sales are simply awful etc.Then with more pay on the day,match day attendances will be roughly the same but income actually more because the pay on the day'ers don't get a discount. :silly:
The main advantage for the club with season tickets is that IF the Rovers was to have a poor season or a really poor run mid-late season,they still have the fans money,but alot of pay on the day fans will stop going.
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Ive :) been banging on for years about the savings scheme the supporters club run, ie a bit like a christmas club, put a bit away each game at the supporters club shop, and end of season you are given a cheque to go and buy your season ticket, but it's like banging your head against the wall.
for more information give len south a ring on 01302-817347 :)
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retford rover wrote:
Ive :) been banging on for years about the savings scheme the supporters club run, ie a bit like a christmas club, put a bit away each game at the supporters club shop, and end of season you are given a cheque to go and buy your season ticket, but it's like banging your head against the wall.
for more information give len south a ring on 01302-817347 :)
Just goes to show that such schemes are there, people just aren't interested in using them - same with the Danum Credit Union, they offer loans for season tickets at competitive rates, yet people say the club aren't doing enough, what more do they want them to do? Hand people free season tickets?!
Always amazes me that people bang on about direct debit schemes etc, and spreading the cost over a year as they can't afford the upfront cost - why don't these people simply save themselves over the course of the previous 12 months? We know that ST prices get announced around the same time of year and it doesn't take a genius to work out what the rough cost will be, so why is it impossible for people to do anything about it themselves? Why does everyone need to be spoon fed?
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I have a distant memory of reading about the credit union scheme but I've never heard of the club shop scheme. I'm lucky enough to be able to buy my ST without needing to put money away weekly and so I've not ever looked for a savings scheme but it seems to me that neither of these schemes mentioned by Paul (retford rvr) has been given a big enough push from the marketing department.
Also, if I were a someone who had never held a season ticket, what sort of marketing would be aimed at me? There seems to be a bit of marketing put into asking me to renew my ST (presumably because existing customers give the best returns proportionally) but I have not noticed anything aimed at converting non ST holders into new holders - and I mean here, those who aren't actively considering an ST but may do so if marketing is actually pushed into their face.
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Why is there no 'loyalty' incentive in place to reward regular season ticket holders? The ruler, sticker & place mat are very much appreciated but c'mon! The club asks for & inevitably gets our money well in advance of any potential new signings or aspirations from the board for the forthcoming season.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 'Walking in O'Driscolls Wonderland', but a little appreciation for being a season upon season ticket holder, in the form of offering an appreciating yearly discount surely isn't too much to ask?
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thanks beerseller hope you ok, it's on the supporters page of the programme nearly every game, and i mention it every other week just about in my article in the star(bet nobody reads it lol)you can lead a horse to water , but you cant make it drink it, i think the thing that worries them about direct debit is you could pay the first couple of installments, got your season ticket in hand then stop payments,
with the supporters club scheme, you get a paying in book etc, then season end you get the cheque, or you could put money into a rovers account at the leeds(sorry about language|) building society,each week earn intrest over the year, whilst earning a bonus for the rovers.
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can i renew my season ticket over the phone ? does anyone know
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Ring this number tomorrow and ask:
01302 762576
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before last season it was noted that providing a facility that would allow online renewals was a priority. We're still waiting.
Always amazes me that people bang on about direct debit schemes etc, and spreading the cost over a year as they can't afford the upfront cost - why don't these people simply save themselves over the course of the previous 12 months?
As a former customer service manager a large utility company, it used to beggar belief that customer's couldn't put a bit of money away each week to save up for their gas bills. Then they want it spreading evenly over 12 months on Direct Debit ! Customer Service ?
Think about it chaps !!
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Here's a novel idea for anyone who may have the misfortune of not being able to find ready money in the form of 300-400 quid.
I think somebody has already mentioned it above:
Simply bang away approx £25 per month or £6 per week or less than a pond a day...now ie from today. This time next year you will have yourselves approx £300. There are then 2 options:
Option 1. Simply buy your ST, with little pain in the old sky rocket.
Option 2. You realise there are suddenly far more important things to do with £300 than blow it on DRFC. You then spend it on that far more important thing.
Alternatively, consider a supporters saving scheme, zebra, danum, 0% finance and all the other helpful means of saving, that are always pushed/advertised on here and by the club.
As a further alternative, why not have a right go at the club for not being able to buy a ST.
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MrFrost wrote:
The country is actually out of recession.
Says who ? inflation at 3% and rising ,zero interest rates because we have a £1.5 trillion debt to repay , with over 2,8 million on the dole over 6.6 million on benefits and the banks still not lending to the averagege person not with standing that everyone needs to pay over 10 % deposit before they can get a mortgage . so we are out of recession then ? every government job is under threat to help half the public debt, that is nurses army, police as well., so i think we are along way from being recession free !! try in perhaps another 15 years and we may have got the debt down to 1 trillion and to get that we need 5 million on the dole , hospital closures, over crowded schools with less teachers, and 10% drop in pay for everyone. Just a 1 point in crease the interest rates would send over 100.000 people into a homeless situation because of the amount eveyone has borrowed. As a counrty we are on the verge of melt down , if we had been in the Euro zone we would be their now! so lets not pretend it does not excist because you have paid for a season ticket today. not everyone is this position.
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So who's going to translate the above then? :woohoo:
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Rovin Reporter wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The country is actually out of recession.
Says who ? inflation at 3% and rising ,zero interest rates because we have a £1.5 trillion debt to repay , with over 2,8 million on the dole over 6.6 million on benefits and the banks still not lending to the averagege person not with standing that everyone needs to pay over 10 % deposit before they can get a mortgage . so we are out of recession then ? every government job is under threat to help half the public debt, that is nurses army, police as well., so i think we are along way from being recession free !! try in perhaps another 15 years and we may have got the debt down to 1 trillion and to get that we need 5 million on the dole , hospital closures, over crowded schools with less teachers, and 10% drop in pay for everyone. Just a 1 point in crease the interest rates would send over 100.000 people into a homeless situation because of the amount eveyone has borrowed. As a counrty we are on the verge of melt down , if we had been in the Euro zone we would be their now! so lets not pretend it does not excist because you have paid for a season ticket today. not everyone is this position.
A recession is about how the economy is growing. The UK came out of recession in January.
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Rovin Reporter wrote:
Says who?
The UK economy. It actually grew 0.1% the last 3 months of 2009 - so technically we were out of recession as early as 26th January 2010.
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Rovin Reporter wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
The country is actually out of recession.
Says who ? inflation at 3% and rising ,zero interest rates because we have a £1.5 trillion debt to repay , with over 2,8 million on the dole over 6.6 million on benefits and the banks still not lending to the averagege person not with standing that everyone needs to pay over 10 % deposit before they can get a mortgage . so we are out of recession then ? every government job is under threat to help half the public debt, that is nurses army, police as well., so i think we are along way from being recession free !! try in perhaps another 15 years and we may have got the debt down to 1 trillion and to get that we need 5 million on the dole , hospital closures, over crowded schools with less teachers, and 10% drop in pay for everyone. Just a 1 point in crease the interest rates would send over 100.000 people into a homeless situation because of the amount eveyone has borrowed. As a counrty we are on the verge of melt down , if we had been in the Euro zone we would be their now! so lets not pretend it does not excist because you have paid for a season ticket today. not everyone is this position.
Fact is though, the country has seen successive periods of growth so technically is out of recession. The fact that it's compared on the lowest points we've had though kind of covers over the problems.
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whether we are technically out of recession or not,it's about confidence in the economy and whether your job is reasonably safe. Many have lost their jobs already and some may have managed to find short term work but this provides no stability.
You never know but things can change in a relatively short period. Hopefully Rovers can strengthen the squad and England have a good world cup leaving us with a feel good factor.
At this rate though I think we'll be fortunate to get 6000 STs.
Plus there is no evidence to suggest that more people will buy match by match tickets. People says they will but in reality it's easy to get out of the habit and not bother going. We lost approx 800 to 1000 ST holders last season and average attendances were approx 1000 down.
For any club, ST holders are the bedrock and the more that can be encouraged and enticed in to buying the better.
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And the 'deficit busting' activities of our wonderful new Government aren't exactly going to make the likes of thee and me going to feel flush are they?
BobG
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BobG wrote:
And the 'deficit busting' activities of our wonderful new Government aren't exactly going to make the likes of thee and me going to feel flush are they?
BobG
shame labour did not stay in they could have bought season tickets 4 everyone on the dole.
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bpoolrover wrote:
BobG wrote:
And the 'deficit busting' activities of our wonderful new Government aren't exactly going to make the likes of thee and me going to feel flush are they?
BobG
shame labour did not stay in they could have bought season tickets 4 everyone on the dole.
I fear for mankind now cons are in. I bet they'd have let Saddam run riot and we would have had a million times the problems.
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Sales update. Now at 4438.
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Anyone know what the season ticket figure was for last year?
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Including half season tickets, about 7300 I think, without about 7000.
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There may be a little surge next week. People may be waiting for cheap seats to become free or certain seats to become free. As of 1st June it will be a free for all. It would be nice if we topped 5000 by the end of next week, with almost 2 and a half months to push on for more.
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Second deadline passed now.
KM site still showing 4438.
People are still updating the poll but nothings changed much so we're still on course for sales of around 4700.
I do hope there has been a surge but even if we top 5000 we're still along way off.
I wonder if Charlie Swallow in his new brief as Customer Manager will be following up an this. If he cares about all Rovers fans then surely he'll concerned that so far, many will be missing out on watching their heroes next season !
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What have Rovers done off the field to proactively try and get people to renew/buy new season tickets. The mis communication of the early bird deadline, no advertising, no kind of marketing.
Have the club bothered to be proactive to try and find why people aren't buying season tickets?
Lets face it, its a combination of piss poor marketing and prices increases. No flexibility on how to pay, no online option. Couple this with the state of the economy, you'd think the club would have anticipated that and tried their hardest to get people to renew.
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Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
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Thing is, people are looking to cut back what they are spending, due to the current climate. People need to be sold to. We cant live on our past successes (as good as they are) and expect it to sell season tickets for years to come. We have a marketing department at DRFC who seem to do very little at communicating with the public and delivering the message.
If I was in charge of marketing at DRFC, the first thing I would be doing is on the phone to those not renewed yet and try and get them renewed there and then. We also need to understand WHY people aren't renewing.
Personally, I believe the price increases were a bad move. As are the decisions not to have an installment option or the ability to buy online.
We've lost our club shop presence in the town centre now aswell. I really believe the powers at be should be ramming DRFC down the throats of the Donny public. Its two years since our last promotion. Unfortunately some people have short memories, thats just how it is.
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MrFrost wrote:
Thing is, people are looking to cut back what they are spending, due to the current climate. People need to be sold to. We cant live on our past successes (as good as they are) and expect it to sell season tickets for years to come. We have a marketing department at DRFC who seem to do very little at communicating with the public and delivering the message.
If I was in charge of marketing at DRFC, the first thing I would be doing is on the phone to those not renewed yet and try and get them renewed there and then. We also need to understand WHY people aren't renewing.
Personally, I believe the price increases were a bad move. As are the decisions not to have an installment option or the ability to buy online.
We've lost our club shop presence in the town centre now aswell. I really believe the powers at be should be ramming DRFC down the throats of the Donny public. Its two years since our last promotion. Unfortunately some people have short memories, thats just how it is.
Personally, I believe if the Donny public can be arsed to go they will. However, they cant be bothered so they wont. Its down to the public more than rovers. All the success stories we have been having recent years have been a great commercial but alas the donny public, as awalys, have been apathetic.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
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It is a mixture of the two. However, I firmly believe the the club is well marketed, then you will see increased attendances/season ticket sales. DRFC are a product and the fans are customers. Its like any other business. Plenty will jump on the bandwagon just after a promotion, but its keeping those fans/customers, giving them a reason to renew. Now for the majority of us, our performance in the Championship is a good enough reason. However, new fans/floaters, that won't be good enough, and if you want to keep them, you have to go the extra mile.
On another note, there's two great big billboards outside the Keepmoat near the roundabout. I wonder why we've not put any kind of advert there. Cost?
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
It is their club and identity and the club is a massive part of the community.
Christ this town got very little going for it and without a doubt the club has done wonders for the profile of the town.
They should be bloody grateful!
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coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.
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coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
I'm probably wrong, but the ones that want to go have gone. I think we have reached the full market, and now we have to get the next generation of fan before Leeds etc start eating away at our potential support.
PS the majority of Doncastrians just don't care about Rovers. Our board have the chance to change this!
(edit) With future fans.
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I don't think the early sales figures are too bad at all when you take everything into account. The 2009/10 season finished just a couple of days ago and if we're already over 4,500 then to me that's fairly promising. I know I had no intention of buying a season ticket yet and the same goes for several others that I know - they'll be bought near the start of next season after recovering from the costs of this one!
It's easy for people at university to rattle on about nobody saving properly, all I can say in response is that I wish my outgoings were still the same as they were when I was at uni!
A season ticket is an expensive investment, over 4,500 people have already bought theirs by the sounds of it, there will be plenty of others saving, and there will be others waiting to see what the strategy of the club is in the transfer market which is also their perogative.
No doubt season ticket sales are an important source of income to the club, but they get much much more from the likes of the television income, the shared parachute payments and the net transfer income from the last 12 months. I do not agree with people that say supporters should not hope for some level of transfer activity based on the level of season ticket sales. We've made an encouraging start in my opinion.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
It is their club and identity and the club is a massive part of the community.
Christ this town got very little going for it and without a doubt the club has done wonders for the profile of the town.
They should be bloody grateful!
Is it their club tho? You cant expect a 40 year old who has never associated himself with Rovers, to suddenly jump on because they have had a little success.
All the board can do is target the next generation as the majority dont care about Rovers.
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
It is their club and identity and the club is a massive part of the community.
Christ this town got very little going for it and without a doubt the club has done wonders for the profile of the town.
They should be bloody grateful!
Is it their club tho? You cant expect a 40 year old who has never associated himself with Rovers, to suddenly jump on because they have had a little success.
All the board can do is target the next generation as the majority dont care about Rovers.
JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!
SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.
As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?
Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?
Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?!
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Jonathan wrote:
I don't think the early sales figures are too bad at all when you take everything into account. The 2009/10 season finished just a couple of days ago and if we're already over 4,500 then to me that's fairly promising. I know I had no intention of buying a season ticket yet and the same goes for several others that I know - they'll be bought near the start of next season after recovering from the costs of this one!
It's easy for people at university to rattle on about nobody saving properly, all I can say in response is that I wish my outgoings were still the same as they were when I was at uni!
A season ticket is an expensive investment, over 4,500 people have already bought theirs by the sounds of it, there will be plenty of others saving, and there will be others waiting to see what the strategy of the club is in the transfer market which is also their perogative.
No doubt season ticket sales are an important source of income to the club, but they get much much more from the likes of the television income, the shared parachute payments and the net transfer income from the last 12 months. I do not agree with people that say supporters should not hope for some level of transfer activity based on the level of season ticket sales. We've made an encouraging start in my opinion.
This gets me as well, if saving money was so easy we would all have the money saved up at the time to renew.
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MrFrost wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.
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I disagree. If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play. it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky
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Its not that simple.
People are making cutbacks, they need more of a reason to buy their season ticket. They need to be sold to. They need to know that its worth while. Why do the club have a marketing department, if there is nothing to market because everyone interested in Doncaster know where we play?
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For a short time I thought you had changed Nobby and was posting quite sensibly for you.
It seems it was short lived and you are back to spouting your usual boll***s
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
It is their club and identity and the club is a massive part of the community.
Christ this town got very little going for it and without a doubt the club has done wonders for the profile of the town.
They should be bloody grateful!
Is it their club tho? You cant expect a 40 year old who has never associated himself with Rovers, to suddenly jump on because they have had a little success.
All the board can do is target the next generation as the majority dont care about Rovers.
JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!
SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.
As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?
Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?
Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?!
The Juries out with some doncaster fans that came and went. Ive spoke to a few that think we are still a selling club. Its OK us on here knowing the score but a lot just think, same old Donny. This is after the sale of Mills and Wellens last season, ofcourse.
I bet it goes down like a lead balloon too if we dont get Sharp. Sharp has hero status here the type of hero kids look upto :S
Same old Donny will be the term in the pub and clubs.
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Wellred wrote:
For a short time I thought you had changed Nobby and was posting quite sensibly for you.
It seems it was short lived and you are back to spouting your usual boll***s
So can you hightlight to me what part you think is crap and I will then set about destroying your agrument as I always do!
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coventryrover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.
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I disagree. If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play. it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky
You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.
We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.
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From a neutrals point they can see that we have sold two of our better players for reported substantial amounts of money.
They can also see that we have not made any signings to replace them where we have spent any real money.
This is a fact whether we like it or not.
Forget what we on this forum know but TRY and look at it from a neutral point of view.
Maybe then you can see why the man in the street sees Rovers as a selling club?
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.
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I disagree. If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play. it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky
You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.
We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.
Thats the point and I totally agree with you but given so much uncertainty dont you think they have put togther a credible budget?
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Wellred wrote:
From a neutrals point they can see that we have sold two of our better players for reported substantial amounts of money.
They can also see that we have not made any signings to replace them where we have spent any real money.
This is a fact whether we like it or not.
Forget what we on this forum know but TRY and look at it from a neutral point of view.
Maybe then you can see why the man in the street sees Rovers as a selling club?
It is a chicken and egg situation I agree but what can you do when other clubs are paying twice our wages?
You cannot underestimate the power of the agent and once they get things moving and the player knows whats on offer and you get in their way ....you going to have a pissed off player!!!
Therefore at times I do think we have come as far as we can and certainly now as the payments to relegated clubs have been massively increased.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.
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I disagree. If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play. it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky
You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.
We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.
Thats the point and I totally agree with you but given so much uncertainty dont you think they have put togther a credible budget?
Our wage bill is high, me and you know that, but its not us that need convincing.
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Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Wellred wrote:
From a neutrals point they can see that we have sold two of our better players for reported substantial amounts of money.
They can also see that we have not made any signings to replace them where we have spent any real money.
This is a fact whether we like it or not.
Forget what we on this forum know but TRY and look at it from a neutral point of view.
Maybe then you can see why the man in the street sees Rovers as a selling club?
It is a chicken and egg situation I agree but what can you do when other clubs are paying twice our wages?
You cannot underestimate the power of the agent and once they get things moving and the player knows whats on offer and you get in their way ....you going to have a pissed off player!!!
Therefore at times I do think we have come as far as we can and certainly now as the payments to relegated clubs have been massively increased.
Again we know this, but does a average donny bloke who went to watch us against leeds?
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JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!
How do you know this then Nobby? Did John confide in you?
SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.
I think an average gate of between 11k and 12k indicates that the public of Doncaster have supported their club. Compared to where we were 10 years ago the support has probably increased by a higher percentage than any other club.
As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?
The majority don't moan. It is only the posters on this forum who moan. That is what a forum is for isn't it? For fans to air their feelings?
Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?
Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?![/i]
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Few points I dont know JR and read this in a business article - prove me otherwise?
Re crowds - local derbies are main reason we have over £10K crowds 30% away capacity
Next question......
Wellred wrote:
JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!
How do you know this then Nobby? Did John confide in you?
SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.
I think an average gate of between 11k and 12k indicates that the public of Doncaster have supported their club. Compared to where we were 10 years ago the support has probably increased by a higher percentage than any other club.
As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?
The majority don't moan. It is only the posters on this forum who moan. That is what a forum is for isn't it? For fans to air their feelings?
Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?
Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?![/i]
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Wellred wrote:
JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!
How do you know this then Nobby? Did John confide in you?
SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.
I think an average gate of between 11k and 12k indicates that the public of Doncaster have supported their club. Compared to where we were 10 years ago the support has probably increased by a higher percentage than any other club.
As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?
The majority don't moan. It is only the posters on this forum who moan. That is what a forum is for isn't it? For fans to air their feelings?
Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?
Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?![/i]
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I think it is quite clear. The board have offered to pay a transfer fee that is more than double our last tranfer record fee for one player. the board are doing their best
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Two thoughts:
I still want to know what the bloody hell is happening with that there CRM system! An expensive bit of kit sitting about doing F all. It's ready made for the job that Mr Frost insiste on. And I agree weith him. :):):) The Rovers do need to 'sell' to people. They are in a competitive market for dwindling dispoosable personal funds. Get out there and sell! I despair about the marketing and the selling of DRFC.
Rob: have you any news yet on the supposed revamp of the CRM system? It's desparately needed. That and a sensible postage budget.
Cheers
BobG
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I was told there were options to pay in instalments but for the coming season not in arrears, JR needs the funds now to see how the land lies for the future.
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quote]People are making cutbacks, they need more of a reason to buy their season ticket. They need to be sold to. They need to know that its worth while. Why do the club have a marketing department, if there is nothing to market because everyone interested in Doncaster know where we play?[/quote]
Quite right. For those who need to be convinced to part with their hard earned cash, just what have the club done ?
Firstly I don't think the main factor is what the board does in terms of transfers etc., and nor should it be. The product is entertainment, about a match day experience and about value for money.
We, who post regularly on here go out of our way to find out information about our beloved club. There are many out there who are not that committed and their only link with the club is that they have bought tickets in the past.
The only communication they may have had directly, if they were a season ticket holder is the leaflet telling them that the adult ST is going up by a minimum of £20 and your kids ST is going up from £60 to £95 ! Since then ?
Has there been any follow up ?
We mention the next generation. Yes we were doing things the right way by keeping kids tickets ultra cheap. Now we've put them up and seem to have forgotten it's the parents who buy the ticket.
If the club doesn't act positively now then the next generation will ebb away again.
Seems to me the club will just stand back and let people drift away and they wonder why we end up with Donny Owl, Donny White etc.
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Here's a started for 10. Send letters out something to the tune of:-
Dear Mr X (and family)
I note from our records you do not appear to have taken advantage of your early bird season ticket renewal.
As a valued season ticket holder, I would like to stress how much I would like to see you at the Keepmoat next season to share with me yet more exciting times as we build on last season when we finished in our highest position for over 50 years !
We've just seen Blackpool, and before them Burnley, get to the promised land and take it from me, both myself, Sean and the players will be doing everything we can to put Rovers in the frame next season.
So please renew your season ticket now to guarentee your seat however, if you would like to renew and are having difficulties at the moment, call me team on the telephone number below and they may be able to help you.
Yours Sincerely,
JR
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If that means the club can help by discounting this that or the other to turn interest in to hard sales then so be it !!
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Make pay on the day easier for casual supporters!
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northbayviking wrote:
Make pay on the day easier for casual supporters!
I paid on the day (well my mate did, I was with him) and it took 5 mins in the ticket office queue, never seems a massive queue to be honest.
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Agreed BFYP. The \"Pay on the Day is a problem\" view is a falacy, perpetuated by those who could leave The Park at 2:58 on a saturday and still not miss kickoff at OBV.
I think some folks dont need much of an excuse not to go to matches.
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Sales update: Now standing at 4725. So about 400ish sold in the last 10 days or so.
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MrFrost wrote:
Sales update: Now standing at 4725. So about 400ish sold in the last 10 days or so.
Not too shabby.
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Still a far cry from JRs objective.
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I think we will get the same st sales as last year, or maybe a tad less because the novelty of the championship is wearing off.
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Quite impressed to be honest and thats me!
Maybe the world cup factor????
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topnotch_Donny wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
coventryrover wrote:
topnotch_Donny wrote:
Norfolk N Chance wrote:
Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!
How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.
If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of. There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is. Why do the public need to be spoon fed?
Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.
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I disagree. If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play. it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky
You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.
We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.
So only 1 in 10 of the footballing public of Doncaster actively support our club, where do the other 90,000 folk go then ? :laugh:
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Have you listened in to the media coverage of Doncaster Council ? Radio interviews with passers-by and the majority of those interviewed were not aware the government were intervening and, some were not even aware our Mayor is not a labour representative.
Point being is there is so much apathy in our town it's unbelievable. However who's fault is it ?
How do we engage the Donny public in taking some responsibility in civic pride and taking an interest ?
The same applies to Rovers. Don't assume people will 'care' about football. Probably the 90% of town folk couldn't tell you the name of Doncaster Rovers manager !
This town needs it's arse kicking big style !!
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Have you listened in to the media coverage of Doncaster Council ? Radio interviews with passers-by and the majority of those interviewed were not aware the government were intervening and, some were not even aware our Mayor is not a labour representative.
Point being is there is so much apathy in our town it's unbelievable. However who's fault is it ?
How do we engage the Donny public in taking some responsibility in civic pride and taking an interest ?
The same applies to Rovers. Don't assume people will 'care' about football. Probably the 90% of town folk couldn't tell you the name of Doncaster Rovers manager !
This town needs it's arse kicking big style !!
This is true. There are people living in Doncaster who don't even know there is an airport a couple of miles down the road. I'm sure plenty of armchair football fans haven't a clue what league we even play in.
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i have no problem with the rise in price of our season ticket its the difference
between the early bird price and the price if you buy now if you could afford the
early bird price thats great if you are not so well off but have just finished
saving for your ticket now you have to stump up a extra 40 quid or so
this is where jr could have helped season ticket sales by having a across
the board price rise not a sliding scale that penalises the not so well off
and jr its still not to late implement this and a couple of good aditions to the squad
may start to see season ticket sales move again
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Fair point, but I nearly passed out due to shortage of breath reading all of that without full stops or commas!
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DonnyBazR0ver wrote:
Have you listened in to the media coverage of Doncaster Council ? Radio interviews with passers-by and the majority of those interviewed were not aware the government were intervening and, some were not even aware our Mayor is not a labour representative.
Point being is there is so much apathy in our town it's unbelievable. However who's fault is it ?
How do we engage the Donny public in taking some responsibility in civic pride and taking an interest ?
The same applies to Rovers. Don't assume people will 'care' about football. Probably the 90% of town folk couldn't tell you the name of Doncaster Rovers manager !
This town needs it's arse kicking big style !!
Outstanding note - how did we become such individuals ...did the miners strike really f**k us up that much .....guys thats so so cared about their being ....What happened to our identity??
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If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
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Thats a good point. Would split the cost for people.
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DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
This is only a guess but, If they sold half season tickets for the first half of the season then most probably they wouldn`t sell many full season tickets, so the club wouldn`t have the money in to finalise the budget. If we were to have a bad start to the season and were near the bottom of the table like we were in our first season in the championship the chances are that alot of half season ticket holders wouldn`t renew
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Filo wrote:
DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
This is only a guess but, If they sold half season tickets for the first half of the season then most probably they wouldn`t sell many full season tickets, so the club wouldn`t have the money in to finalise the budget. If we were to have a bad start to the season and were near the bottom of the table like we were in our first season in the championship the chances are that alot of half season ticket holders wouldn`t renew
True but if a half season ticket could be bought only 2 weeks prior to the new season starting then anyone who would buy a full season one would already have done so.
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... or you could get people hanging fire for the half season tickets to be launched. If we were to offer a first half of the season ticket, I would want to see it being no cheaper than buying match by match but marketed on the basis of the time and effort saved in queueing to buy tickets for each game and the various peripheral benefits e.g. club shop discount etc.
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DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
I heard the logistics of the Half-Season Ticket flummoxed the behind the scenes chappied. Couldn't figure out how to turf out the Early-Seasoners at half time in match 12 and let the Late-Seasoners rake their seats for the second half
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BillyStubbsTears wrote:
DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
I heard the logistics of the Half-Season Ticket flummoxed the behind the scenes chappied. Couldn't figure out how to turf out the Early-Seasoners at half time in match 12 and let the Late-Seasoners rake their seats for the second half
Probably because they should do it halfway through match 11 ;)
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
BillyStubbsTears wrote:
DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
I heard the logistics of the Half-Season Ticket flummoxed the behind the scenes chappied. Couldn't figure out how to turf out the Early-Seasoners at half time in match 12 and let the Late-Seasoners rake their seats for the second half
Probably because they should do it halfway through match 11 ;)
Go back and re-do your sums sparra.
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BillyStubbsTears wrote:
big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
BillyStubbsTears wrote:
DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.
Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?
I heard the logistics of the Half-Season Ticket flummoxed the behind the scenes chappied. Couldn't figure out how to turf out the Early-Seasoners at half time in match 12 and let the Late-Seasoners rake their seats for the second half
Probably because they should do it halfway through match 11 ;)
Go back and re-do your sums sparra.
Tis a fair point I definately read that wrong. Weeks of reading and exams seems to have killed my brain.
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Season Ticket sales still showing at 4725. Anyone bought at full price yet ?
I hope a few 'shrewd' signings will help and, on the build up to the season I hope the PR machine goes in to full swing.
In the 4 weeks run up to the season it would be good to see interviews with players on a daily basis. Updates about how training is going etc, both on Roversplayer, on Trax and in Star/Free Press.
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Sales now showing at 5197.
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Rigoglioso wrote:
MrFrost wrote:
Sales now showing at 5197.
Great news.
If they keep increasing steadily at the rate they have been, we should end up with around 6,200 - 6,500 by the time the opening game arrives. Still down on last season but I think its still better than what most of us would have expected a few weeks ago.
I agree, the panic re. ST's is getting a little out of hand. Fact is it's only the 2nd. week in June and 5200 +'awaiting process', plenty of time left to achieve a reasonable final figure............chins up. B)