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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DRFC-Hanksie on May 25, 2010, 01:07:10 pm
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Not sure how true this is, been told off A Barnsley fan.
Supposedly Ward has been spotted at Oakwell being shown round the ground by Robins.
Could he be going to Tarn?
Hmmmm :dry:
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That would really take the Biscuit, but i suppose if the silly buggers are offering silly wages, then you'd be er..... silly not to take them up on it!
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Maybe Shacks had a infulance in that then?????
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Wouldn't surprise me, both him and Shackell have the same agent and no doubt he'll be trying to get the best possible deal for his client. :angry:
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DRFC-Hanksie wrote:
Not sure how true this is, been told off A Barnsley fan.
Supposedly Ward has been spotted at Oakwell being shown round the ground by Robins.
Could he be going to Tarn?
Hmmmm :dry:
Wouldnt suprise me one little bit to be honest.
Barnsley seem able to fund these transfers whilst we are scrabbling around for loose change down the back of the proverbail sofa.
Its gonna be a long summer.
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I don't think they are paying wages above and beyond their means, according to the Barnsley lads l work with Moore was on 8.5k, Kozluk commented on Radio Sheff that when he signed he was the highest paid player, Davey had promised him that and they also signed De Silva on big wages from Everton, all three have been released this summer so that's made massive cuts into their wage bill. In the Star today Robins states he's not in the hunt for Sharp or Beattie because they are out of his price range.
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We may not have as big a budget as some but SO'D hasn't done bad in his past signings so have a bit of patience, i'm sure you wont be disappointed.
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This may be true but both Ward and Shackell are left sided of the central two so why would Barnsley sign both?
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Shack has been offered ludicrous wages by Barnsley which is why we didn't get him and we are not scrabbling around for loose change but neither are we putting the Club at risk. We were paying £6.5 k per week for Shack on loan last season, Barnsley are paying way above that. There is no need to panic or think the Board have no ambition just be patient the Transfer Window isn't open yet most things you read or hear are pure speculation.
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rumours abound in someplaces about a chairman that needs to get rid of some pennys pretty damn quick :ohmy:
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DearneValleyRover wrote:
Shack has been offered ludicrous wages by Barnsley which is why we didn't get him and we are not scrabbling around for loose change but neither are we putting the Club at risk. We were paying £6.5 k per week for Shack on loan last season, Barnsley are paying way above that. There is no need to panic or think the Board have no ambition just be patient the Transfer Window isn't open yet most things you read or hear are pure speculation.
Ludicrous wages according to who? or just paying the going rate for a decent Championship defender. Anything will seem ludicrous above 5k to Rovers fans but Barnsley won't be braking their salary cap on Shackell, l remember on a Radio Sheff interview Davey saying Cryne caps the highest wage at 8.5k and that is low for the Championship. Good job S'OD can spot a bargain with the limits JR has given him.
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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/football-rumours-gossip/2010/05/25/elliott-ward-in-talks-with-four-or-five-clubs-92746-26516466/
least we're still interested
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From today's star
http://www.thestar.co.uk/doncaster-sport/Rovers-want-derby-hero.6317359.jp
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DonnyEl wrote:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/football-rumours-gossip/2010/05/25/elliott-ward-in-talks-with-four-or-five-clubs-92746-26516466/
least we're still interested
Looks as if we may be out of the market for Ward finacially. I think signing Kennedy looks more possible as I think we will guarentee him more games. but i don't know... hopefully we can get both :)
In SOD we trust.
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Does our Sean sound a bit fed up in that piece? It can't be easy trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Despite John Ryan claiming he has the biggest budget ever it seems that we are still at the bottom of the ladder financially.
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He may have given him the biggest transfer budget but its the wage budget that needs to rise if we want to really compete to attract this sort of player.
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DannyRovers wrote:
He may have given him the biggest transfer budget but its the wage budget that needs to rise if we want to really compete to attract this sort of player.
i think that they are one and the same
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Truth is alot of fans of Doncaster have fishy memories
I remember the Conference very well and i remember when £75k for McIndoe was 'fairly expensive'.
We have a smaller budget true but Scunny i'm willing to bet have a similar sized one and look at these strikers unearthed every season.
We have fantastic scouts in Scotland, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe.....all over in other words, we should just be patient and remember our roots. We might not be a 'leeds United' but that just makes it all the sweeter when we beat these small teams
Now Ward is a fantastic attacking defender and is reliable on the games i have seen involving him, so yes it'd be nice to sign him but i'm not losing sleep over it, because we'll find someone similar for cheaper inevitably and will be better financially in the long run
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Jim Dobbin wrote:
DearneValleyRover wrote:
Shack has been offered ludicrous wages by Barnsley which is why we didn't get him and we are not scrabbling around for loose change but neither are we putting the Club at risk. We were paying £6.5 k per week for Shack on loan last season, Barnsley are paying way above that. There is no need to panic or think the Board have no ambition just be patient the Transfer Window isn't open yet most things you read or hear are pure speculation.
Ludicrous wages according to who? or just paying the going rate for a decent Championship defender. Anything will seem ludicrous above 5k to Rovers fans but Barnsley won't be braking their salary cap on Shackell, l remember on a Radio Sheff interview Davey saying Cryne caps the highest wage at 8.5k and that is low for the Championship. Good job S'OD can spot a bargain with the limits JR has given him.
I think you will find he is on more than that.
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steve@dcfd wrote:
This may be true but both Ward and Shackell are left sided of the central two so why would Barnsley sign both?
Its their new transfer policy......sign anybody Rovers want!
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It worried me when I heard Ward has the same agent as Shackell. Presumably the agent then knows the range of fringe benefits he can negotiate for his 'client' on top of higher wages.
Surely therefore it's also in the agents interest to marry the two up in the knowledge his cut will be greater.
If Barnsley are sniffing then I fear the second choice centre half will also be crossed off the list.
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donnybez wrote:
Truth is alot of fans of Doncaster have fishy memories
I remember the Conference very well and i remember when £75k for McIndoe was 'fairly expensive'.
We have a smaller budget true but Scunny i'm willing to bet have a similar sized one and look at these strikers unearthed every season.
We have fantastic scouts in Scotland, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe.....all over in other words, we should just be patient and remember our roots. We might not be a 'leeds United' but that just makes it all the sweeter when we beat these small teams
Now Ward is a fantastic attacking defender and is reliable on the games i have seen involving him, so yes it'd be nice to sign him but i'm not losing sleep over it, because we'll find someone similar for cheaper inevitably and will be better financially in the long run
I bet Scunnies wage bill is half ours.
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Id love to know how much we offered Martis a week,he seemed quite happy to sign.
Players who sign purely for money im glad we miss out on,I want players who want to play for the club not for the pound signs!
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I have it on very good authority Elliot Ward has bigger admirers than us who are willing to offer him up to 13k a week,
We have spoken to him and he and his agent dont like the wages we are preparing to offer.(7.5k)
My source has heard off 4 clubs who are looking at him and they are.
Ipswich.
Sheff Utd.
Leicester.
Forest.
No mention of Barnsley though.
WE are only prepared to offer 7.5k in wages and that would make him our highest earner however my source tells me he is most likely going to decide on his future in the next month.
And for the record my source is a member of drfc and his info has been correct for the past 2 years.
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I have it on very good authority Elliot Ward has bigger admirers than us who are willing to offer him up to 13k a week,
What concerns me is he's not £13k per week material and, if those clubs are willing to pay that much for someone who's played on loan here and there, then no wonder football finances are in the shit.
Plus, I hope the agent tells his other client (Shackell) what he could have had !
Bonkers
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Football is going down the drain mate and it has now become a money game,it frustrates me so much.
As much as i love the sport i still think all the football leauge players are overpaid,that money should go towards those who make life real like surgeons and soilders etc,not footballers who kick a football round for 90 miniutes a week or sometimes 180 and falling over every 10 miniutes.
Its annoying but that is all true.
:dry:
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£13k a week and he will be third choice for at least 3 of those clubs, obviously not learnt from his time at Coventry. Oh well when he gets stuck in the reserves he might be back here on loan again.
Not a dilema I am every likely to have but, if you had a choice of £13k per week and maybe get a game OR £7.5k per week and be a guaranteed starter.....which would you choose?
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13 grand mate. 13 grand!
Cheers :)
BobG
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He's signed for Norwich.
What a surprise.
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RoversAlias wrote:
He's signed for Norwich.
What a surprise.
You beat me to it. Another one bites the dust.
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Well, on to target number 3 in the CB list
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Dangerous Dave Morley it is then
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donnybez wrote:
We have fantastic scouts in Scotland, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe.....all over in other words, we should just be patient and remember our roots. We might not be a 'leeds United' but that just makes it all the sweeter when we beat these small teams
biggest load of trash ever spoken on this here forum. Fantastic scouts? why do we never sign any of these players from these regions?
I can only think of one player from abroad and that's Webster, what a signing he turned out to be :dry:
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intresting, we have 4 centre backs on our books as well as jimmy who can also play there, so if we are looking to sign new centre backs that must say something for the quality we already have.
now that we have lost out on shack and ward who do you think the next target will be???
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jw2 wrote:
I have it on very good authority Elliot Ward has bigger admirers than us who are willing to offer him up to 13k a week,
We have spoken to him and he and his agent dont like the wages we are preparing to offer.(7.5k)
My source has heard off 4 clubs who are looking at him and they are.
Ipswich.
Sheff Utd.
Leicester.
Forest.
No mention of Barnsley though.
WE are only prepared to offer 7.5k in wages and that would make him our highest earner however my source tells me he is most likely going to decide on his future in the next month.
And for the record my source is a member of drfc and his info has been correct for the past 2 years.
You missed Norwich City of that list :P
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Do we reckon Norwich paid over the odds like Shackell as well or maybe just the fact that Rovers aren't able to pay the going rate for a decent Championship defender, hence the reason why they come on loan?
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We can't pay the going rate. We need to accept it.
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Gutted but oh well i'm sure we have plenty of other targets in mind.
Trust SOD!
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Just watched his interview on bbc sport and i'm really pleased he didn't join us, the bloke is thick as f**k. You couldn't trust him to organise the back four, he's got shit for brains.
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DMnumber4 wrote:
donnybez wrote:
We have fantastic scouts in Scotland, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe.....all over in other words, we should just be patient and remember our roots. We might not be a 'leeds United' but that just makes it all the sweeter when we beat these small teams
biggest load of trash ever spoken on this here forum. Fantastic scouts? why do we never sign any of these players from these regions?
I can only think of one player from abroad and that's Webster, what a signing he turned out to be :dry:
I think webster has potenial in the future will have to wait and see, cant believe weve missed out on another CB like :(
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I know what you mean Nudga, just watched it myself, possibly the slowest talker in the world?!
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Elliott Ward not good enough for Coventry + Preston two teams that finished below us last season, and from what i saw of him,not good enough for us and certainly not a patch on Jason Shekels. :)
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It doesnt matter that hes not as good as, err, 'Jason Shekels' because we didn't sign him either. He did well for us in his few games here, we all would've been happy had he signed.
And why have people suddenly decided Webster's shit? His injuries meant he barely got a chance to play, and in his once chance from the start he got injured.
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disappointed not to sign either Shackell or ward as both would hav been very good signings,however Shackell missed 2 games pulling out in the warm ups and then starting after coming back from injury and going off after a couple of minutes so who knows how many games if would play for us, so no doubt sum would moan if he missed games saying it would have been a waste of money.As for Ward lets get real we cant compete with any team on them paying wages to players when they will be getting 2 times the gates we will be getting.SOD has worked wonders getting players in and sure he will again.
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RoversAlias wrote:
It doesnt matter that hes not as good as, err, 'Jason Shekels'
It's called play on words mate, a\"Shekel\" Israeli Currency = Money = Jason Shackell the greedy boy. :)
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I'm with you mate. Ward didn't fill me with any confidence at all I'm afraid.
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Ward will only be remembered for that goal in a few months time.
As for Webster. Unfair to judge on limited appearances, however he was pretty darn good against Notts County. I recall he was a little suspect against Spurs (then again aren't most defenders).
He needs a good run in the side to show us what he can do. If he's good enough and better than what we have, then he will get that run.
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I thought it was Locky that looked more suspect against Spurs wasn't it? (Bearing in mind how Spurs were playing at that time!) Webster is going to be a hidden gem eventually, not unlike a certain Mr.Brooker...... :)
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Maybe we are being abit discreat about our real targets? reason i say this is that the centre back department is probably our strongest position at the club.
Martis
Webster
Hird
Lockward
O'Conner if needed as he was one of the best players last season in this position.
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I agree, more than enough there I reckon, a left back is more of a problem unless the Rochdale connection is sewn up.
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There's no doubt Webster has potential. To say he was in the wilderness playing abroad and then coming in to play at Championship level is a tough ask for any young player.
He did well in a couple of games and stood firm at Sheff Utd and played on whilst injured.
Reports says he's been doing a lot of upper body work so hopefully he'll emerge a much stronger player. He may not be as dominant in the air as Shackell however, not many are ! I think he may be one that suprises us next season.
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Good point timdrfc and one that had crossed my mind 4 weeks ago.
Re:Elliot Ward: PNE fans not too impressed 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
We also have to consider the more than possible scenario that we could start next season with Martis and one of Locky/Hird/Webster/JOC
Technically we do have the numbers already and it's now a judgement from Sean if he feels we have the quality, although IMO I still feel one CH will come in, via whatever means
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Well i'm thrilled to bits we haven't signed Ward. Nice goal but he looked very dodgy at the back whenever I saw him.
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tommy toes wrote:
Well i'm thrilled to bits we haven't signed Ward. Nice goal but he looked very dodgy at the back whenever I saw him.
Totally agree with the above comment, much prefered watching Webster and think he will turn out to be better than Mills.
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timdrfc wrote:
Maybe we are being abit discreat about our real targets? reason i say this is that the centre back department is probably our strongest position at the club.
Martis
Webster
Hird
Lockward
O'Conner if needed as he was one of the best players last season in this position.
Martis - shakey but should come good
Webster - looked slow, unsure.
hird - hesitant and league 1 standard at the moment.
Lockwood - League 1. gets burnt for pace.
O'Connor - makeshift centre half and still the best!
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DMnumber4 wrote:
timdrfc wrote:
Maybe we are being abit discreat about our real targets? reason i say this is that the centre back department is probably our strongest position at the club.
Martis
Webster
Hird
Lockward
O'Conner if needed as he was one of the best players last season in this position.
Martis - shakey but should come good
Webster - looked slow, unsure.
hird - hesitant and league 1 standard at the moment.
Lockwood - League 1. gets burnt for pace.
O'Connor - makeshift centre half and still the best!
Martis-agree
Webster-bit slow, i thought he looked a bit shakey in the air, especially for a big lad
hird-quality defender, got to get a new contract IMO
lockwood-Ok(ish stand in)
O'Connor-makeshift yes, think we miss him at RB though
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I wonder how much of the hype around Ward is because of his wonder goal against the Wendies?
When I saw Webster in action at Sheff Utd, I thought he looked the part and believe he is definitely one to keep hold of and could be a big player in a few years.
We still need another centre back however. I'm not the biggest fan of Martis either.
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The bloke was clearly overrated. That goal at Hillborough? Pah!
As we all know, Ward had a sudden Stock-like back spasm that happened by complete coincidence just as Sharp crossed the ball in. Ward was arching his back in an effort to relieve the pain and just as the ball reached the peak of its trajectory, Ward had a violent tweak in his hamstring that amazingly made his foot connect with ball just as it passed over his head. A billion to one fluke.
As for Jism Slackbell, or whatever his name was. Pah! Overrated.
As we all know, Slackbell had a foot injury that made him jump in pain at random moments etc etc etc
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Agreed. And that Wellens bellends fella. Ran around like an idiot without a clue. Sheer spawn that he got in the way of the opposition, and they lost the ball, conveniently falling at his feet. Pure pox that he was always near one our players to give them an option/easy ball. That kind of luck was sure to run out one day, and I think Sean cashed in just at the right time.
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I don't think we need anymore centrebacks. If Webster can play like he did against notts county then he would be my first choice everytime subject to injury! :cheer: