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Title: England's worst ever team
Post by: GM-MarkB on May 26, 2010, 11:40:29 pm
Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Filo on May 27, 2010, 12:08:24 am
GM-MarkB wrote:
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Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan






The cat took a lot of criticism when we got beat by Brazil in 1970, unjustified in my opinion and would have won more England caps if the great Gordon Banks were n`t around
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2010, 12:10:30 am
Agree with that Filo. He was a good goalie kept in the shadows by the best goalie the world's ever seen.

BobG
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Akinfenwa on May 27, 2010, 12:19:43 am
The manager was McClaren wasn't it?
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Snods Shinpad 2 on May 27, 2010, 12:31:33 am
No Geoff Thomas? No Don Revie?  :huh:
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: GM-MarkB on May 27, 2010, 12:35:03 am
Akinfenwa wrote:
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The manager was McClaren wasn't it?


Oh aye...my bad
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Hounslowrover on May 27, 2010, 09:57:41 am
Can't believe Jenas wasn't mentioned, over-rated like Dyer.  Very enjoyable, but like others, feel Bonetti unjustly in - wasn't it the substitution of Bobby Charlton at 2-0 (to rest him for the semis) the problem 'cos it allowed Beckenbauer to move forward instead of marking him.  Managers fault!
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Thinwhiteduke on May 27, 2010, 10:20:02 am
Id put Graham Taylor and Keegan ahead of Mclaren for worst manager accolade to be honest.
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: jonrover on May 27, 2010, 10:50:29 am
BobG wrote:
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Agree with that Filo. He was a good goalie kept in the shadows by the best goalie the world's ever seen.

BobG


Sorry Bob I disagree with you on that one! Schmichel is the best keeper the world has ever seen in my opinion. I happen to have seen his debut against the Rep of Ireland at Sir Matt Busby's testimonial, and when he threw the ball fully 50 yards the whole crowd gasped I shit you not!
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Filo on May 27, 2010, 11:22:15 am
jonrover wrote:
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BobG wrote:
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Agree with that Filo. He was a good goalie kept in the shadows by the best goalie the world's ever seen.

BobG


Sorry Bob I disagree with you on that one! Schmichel is the best keeper the world has ever seen in my opinion. I happen to have seen his debut against the Rep of Ireland at Sir Matt Busby's testimonial, and when he threw the ball fully 50 yards the whole crowd gasped I shit you not!



Sorry, Gordon Banks was without doubt the greatest ever Keeper followed by Sepp Mier and probably Dino Zoff
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: jaypee247 on May 27, 2010, 11:29:53 am
What about the great Neville Southall?  ;)
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Donnydan on May 27, 2010, 12:21:00 pm
Southall is Welsh.
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Thinwhiteduke on May 27, 2010, 12:32:50 pm
What about the great Peter Shilton then?  ;)
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: jaypee247 on May 27, 2010, 06:55:06 pm
Big Nev was Welsh?  

Next you'll be telling me that Sepp Mier and Dino Zoff aren't English either.

 ;)
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: eastender on May 27, 2010, 07:51:22 pm
Filo wrote:
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GM-MarkB wrote:
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Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan






The cat took a lot of criticism when we got beat by Brazil in 1970, unjustified in my opinion and would have won more England caps if the great Gordon Banks were n`t around



Filo Banks was in goal for the 1-0 defeat to Brazil,he made that well known wonder save from Pele in the group game.

The game your thinking of is the quarter final match against West Germany.
Bonetti was in goal and got slaughtered for the defeat,but Sir Alf Ramsey as to take some of the blame, for taking Bobby Charlton off just after the Germans had pulled a goal back.
His reason for taking Charlton off was to save him for the final,but as Franz Beckenbauer said \"he couldn't believe his luck\" as he was man marking bobby and from there on in he ran the show for the Germans.
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Hounslowrover on May 27, 2010, 08:53:35 pm
Cheers Eastender for confirming what I wrote earlier in the thread.
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2010, 09:57:32 pm
I'd add Lev Yashin to the list of world's greatest goalkeepers too. He was a bloody wondrous keeper.

Bob
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: topnotch_Donny on May 27, 2010, 09:58:45 pm
BobG wrote:
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I'd add Lev Yashin to the list of world's greatest goalkeepers too. He was a bloody wondrous keeper.

Bob


Was he an irish keeper for spurs, Bob?
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: topnotch_Donny on May 27, 2010, 10:02:00 pm
Just googled it, a Russian. I should have known better with the name, but for some reason it rang a bell of a former Spurs & ireland international keeper, i have or been told about?
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: BobG on May 27, 2010, 10:04:17 pm
Nah :) Russian. He ended up in a real bad way in the end though. Had to have a leg amputated - though I can't remember why. Always felt real sorry for him. He was a good goalie.

Bob
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: eastender on May 27, 2010, 10:07:48 pm
Hounslowrover wrote:
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Cheers Eastender for confirming what I wrote earlier in the thread.


Sorry Hounslow,i read Filo's post first and just replied to it. :)
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Filo on May 28, 2010, 12:26:07 am
eastender wrote:
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Filo wrote:
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GM-MarkB wrote:
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Just watched it on BBC Three, quite amusing really. If you don't have Sky etc, here's the line up. Based on caps, performances and off field activities :

Peter Bonetti

Warren Barton
Keith Curle
John Terry (C)
Phil Neville

Kieron Dyer
Carlton Palmer
Joey Barton
Steve Hodge

John Fashanu
Michael Ricketts

Manager - Keegan






The cat took a lot of criticism when we got beat by Brazil in 1970, unjustified in my opinion and would have won more England caps if the great Gordon Banks were n`t around



Filo Banks was in goal for the 1-0 defeat to Brazil,he made that well known wonder save from Pele in the group game.

The game your thinking of is the quarter final match against West Germany.
Bonetti was in goal and got slaughtered for the defeat,but Sir Alf Ramsey as to take some of the blame, for taking Bobby Charlton off just after the Germans had pulled a goal back.
His reason for taking Charlton off was to save him for the final,but as Franz Beckenbauer said \"he couldn't believe his luck\" as he was man marking bobby and from there on in he ran the show for the Germans.






Yes you are correct, mind I was only 7 years old at the time, I remember crying when we got knocked out
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: RobTheRover on May 28, 2010, 12:36:33 am
topnotch_Donny wrote:
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Just googled it, a Russian. I should have known better with the name, but for some reason it rang a bell of a former Spurs & ireland international keeper, i have or been told about?


I think you are thinking about Pat Jennings.  To my knowledge he never wore a black jersey with CCCP on the front.  Lev Yashin was nothing if utterly stylish.
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: CusworthRovers on May 28, 2010, 07:36:44 am
If we are talking of goalies. I bet everyone rates this guy their favourite of all time. Watch the positive replies now.




(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/839/950504ml5.jpg)
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: eastender on May 28, 2010, 01:32:37 pm
I remember him well Mr C.

[video]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo[/video]
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: BobG on May 29, 2010, 12:04:28 am
That ref was a disgrace. It was a damn good game - a game the French looked like winning. But that scoundrel in their goal and what can only be a ref who was either as bent as a nine bob note or utterly, utterly incompetant cost them the game. That French side was a really good one. They didn't win anything, but they could and would have done if the Gods had been on their side. Battiston refused to speak to that prick for donkeys years afterwards until some idiot TV station engineered a meeting. Battiston wasn't very thrilled to meet him!

Cheers

BobG
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 29, 2010, 12:38:33 am
BobG wrote:
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That ref was a disgrace. It was a damn good game - a game the French looked like winning. But that scoundrel in their goal and what can only be a ref who was either as bent as a nine bob note or utterly, utterly incompetant cost them the game. That French side was a really good one. They didn't win anything, but they could and would have done if the Gods had been on their side. Battiston refused to speak to that prick for donkeys years afterwards until some idiot TV station engineered a meeting. Battiston wasn't very thrilled to meet him!

Cheers

BobG


I remember sitting there in disbelief when the ref didn't show a red card to Schumacher. That was the nearest thing to manslaughter I have ever seen on a football pitch. And I've seen Alan Little play. And Billy Whitehurst. And I've played Sunday league football for the Goldthorpe Hotel.

Course the other weird thing about Spain 82 was that France ended the tournament looking like one of the most sophisticated football art forms in history, with all-time greats like Platini, Giresse, Tigana, Bossis, Rochteau, Six etc despite being arseholed by an England team including Paul Mariner, Mick Mills and Phil Neal in the first match.
Title: Re:England's worst ever team
Post by: Viking Don on May 29, 2010, 01:01:01 am
Just when we thought the Germans could be trusted...