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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: CusworthRovers on June 01, 2010, 05:52:57 pm
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Sheff Utd accept offer from Burnley for Billy?????????
Anybody know owt?
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The only link on SS website is them signing Iwelumo. Defo on Sky Sports News
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On Ssn they've had a bid accepted, gutted! Doubt he will come here now, next!
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If true then I don't necessarily see this as bad news for 2 reasons:
1. It suggests that Sheffield United will definitley sell. If the bid that has been accepted is in our ballpark then we can match it, then it is up to Billy. It is possible that he will choose to come here as he knows the club, manager and area well.
2. If he was to decide against coming here then, although this would be disappointing, it would be far better to know early in the summer than risk it dragging on and leaving us with nothing and no back up plan, which we came within 10 minutes of last season!
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I hope there is a plan A, B, and C for strikers. It really is starting to get desperate. Will this affect Oster`s decision to resign? :ohmy:
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Jonathan wrote:
If true then I don't necessarily see this as bad news for 2 reasons:
1. It suggests that Sheffield United will definitley sell. If the bid that has been accepted is in our ballpark then we can match it, then it is up to Billy. It is possible that he will choose to come here as he knows the club, manager and area well.
2. If he was to decide against coming here then, although this would be disappointing, it would be far better to know early in the summer than risk it dragging on and leaving us with nothing and no back up plan, which we came within 10 minutes of last season!
3. Least it aint a Yorkshire team......
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He wants to stay local.
Come on Rovers, get another bid in there.
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The ball is firmly in Billys court then. I guess it would depend on whether he feels he can move foward at Burnley, because, to be honest, with Laws at the helm I can see them as being nothing other than a firm relegation candidate next season.
Secondly there's the situation, or is it a rumour, that Sharp wants to remain in Yorkshire?
As Jonathan has mentioned, an opportunity still exists depending on what Burnley have offered, and whether we can / would wish to match it. All might not be lost, and Im convinced Sharps personal preference would be to come here.
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Apparently the bid that has been accepted is £800k.
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Jonathan wrote:
Apparently the bid that has been accepted is £800k.
A bargain if they get him for that, surely we can match that? Can't we?
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Somebody get JR on the phone, I'll chuck in a tenner to make up the difference!
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JR needs to get on the blower and match it...pronto
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Yes we can if we choose to. I would hope Billy would go for SOD rather than Laws so next question is about personal terms.
Burnley no have parachute payments behind them so who can win the bidding war ?
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Gartom said that our bid was significantly higher than the rumoured £600k. Sheffield United have also said they want to regain near enough what they spent on Sharp (£2m). If true, I think the accepted bid from Burnley will be much bigger than £800k.
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I dont think I can handle another transfer disappointment.
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I'm kind of glad and with SOD on it. Get it sorted in the next week or two, end the speculation and move on. We are not going to compete with Burnley and their Cash league money. It's crazy to think we could.
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Chris wrote:
Gartom said that our bid was significantly higher than the rumoured £600k.
Yeah, but whats that in Rovers terms £600,010 and a bag of Peanut m&m's? ;)
Oh! and Barnsley are taking the piss already.....
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=50&fid=41&sty=2&act=1&mid=2121392037
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
I'm kind of glad and with SOD on it. Get it sorted in the next week or two, end the speculation and move on. We are not going to compete with Burnley and their Cash league money. It's crazy to think we could.
How can losing out on Billy Sharp make you glad?
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Thinwhiteduke wrote:
Chris wrote:
Gartom said that our bid was significantly higher than the rumoured £600k.
Yeah, but whats that in Rovers terms £600,010 and a bag of Peanut m&m's? ;)
Oh! and Barnsley are taking the piss already.....
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=50&fid=41&sty=2&act=1&mid=2121392037
If they have offered say 800k cash and we offered 500k, + 100k for 20 goals, + 100k If we go up, + 100k when he plays for england etc, our whole deal is significantly more than the rumoured 600k but probably something Sheff Utd would not entertain.
I guess we will never know the details of both offers.
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Overall it probably doesn't, however IMO I still believe we never have or will properly be in the running for him, get it sorted early rather than spending the whole summer trying to sort that, getting nobody and having a front line up of James Hayter on his tod.
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Well there has been a lot of talk of 'doing a Burnley.' Let's see if we can do this one.
I think it's unlikely that the bid will be as big as some suggest, he is only saleable for another 6 months and the Sheffield United manager has obviosuly decided he doesn't want him.
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Getting embarrassing. Surely last season was the bench mark and the club were supposed to really push on this year, both on and off the pitch. It makes sense. If SOD goes, which I can see happening, we are really really f**ked.
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I didn't expect him to sign here all along, so although it is a bit disappointing that he (probably) won't play for Rovers again, I'm not particularly worried/frustrated as I always expected it to be the case that Billy went somewhere else.
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Master Katesby wrote:
Getting embarrassing. Surely last season was the bench mark and the club were supposed to really push on this year, both on and off the pitch. It makes sense. If SOD goes, which I can see happening, we are really really fcuked.
What with? Shirt buttons?
Rubbish season ticket sales, a high wage bill and a running loss every year, I fail to see how we could possibly spend even more than we already are.
Time for a bit of realism from some, I still believe it's an unrealistic signing, however I really would love to be wrong and see a top squad next season, I'm not getting my hopes up, I'm realistic. A mix of unproven players and gambles for us again.
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That's very negative...but each to their own!
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Totally agree.....ST sales simply awful, further evidence we have come as far as we can!
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Let's not lose sight of the fact that Billy hasn't gone anywhere yet.
This bid being accepted gives rise to two trains of thought:
For those that thought we ever had any chance of getting Billy, surely you didn't think that we would make a bid and nobody else would be interested in him? He is a sought after player, we would always have had to use our advantages of association to beat off other clubs, so if we ever had any chance then that still remains. If anything that chance has been escalated by Sheffield United agreeing to sell him.
For those that thought we had no chance, then if he goes elsewhere than that would not be a surprise.
Basically it's time to see if Rovers want to go balls out to compete for his signature, or if we play it safe and let him go, then cite that we could never compete.
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I've heard today that the reason our bid was rejected was because we wanted to pay with installments every month and Sheff Utd wanted it up front. Makes sense.
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Typical Rovers buying stuff on the hire purchase...
Should have gone to Radio Rentals!
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Jonathan wrote:
Let's not lose sight of the fact that Billy hasn't gone anywhere yet.
This bid being accepted gives rise to two trains of thought:
For those that thought we ever had any chance of getting Billy, surely you didn't think that we would make a bid and nobody else would be interested in him? He is a sought after player, we would always have had to use our advantages of association to beat off other clubs, so if we ever had any chance then that still remains. If anything that chance has been escalated by Sheffield United agreeing to sell him.
For those that thought we had no chance, then if he goes elsewhere than that would not be a surprise.
Basically it's time to see if Rovers want to go balls out to compete for his signature, or if we play it safe and let him go, then cite that we could never compete.
Also lets not forget the Dingles put a bid in for Billy in Jan and alot of us thought we would never see him again then but he opted to see his season out with us did he not.As others have said this will hopefully speed up the situation and we will know where we stand with Billy one way or another soon.
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I can't see Burnley being his preferred option and other interested clubs are now likely to come out of the woodwork and put their bids in.
I still think £1m is a lot to pay for anyone. I'm sure there are one or two other possibilities out there that might come a similar route to Billy or, from Leagues 1 & 2 or Scotland.
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MrFrost wrote:
I've heard today that the reason our bid was rejected was because we wanted to pay with installments every month and Sheff Utd wanted it up front. Makes sense.
I think thats unlikely,what advantage would Rovers get from paying in instalments?We are Hardly fighting the tax man off are we? and do you really think Rovers would risk losing signing Billy for the sake of trying to pay in instalments?I doubt it.
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Well if they've had a bid accepted you can be sure that as soon as we found out then JR would be back off to the Blades and seeing what that acceptable bid is. One way or another, this could be resolved soon.
If he signs for Burnley, fine. Far better than him joining the likes of Leeds or Barnsley...I don't think we could win an outright bidding war with Burnley, but maybe localiy and his past with this club could sway him in our direction.
If not, we move on. Surely there's some other targets that SOD has his transfer budget earmarked for in the fairly likely event that we don't sign Billy Sharp.
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What Billy needs to look at is how many games is he going to get at Burnley. I still feel he will be a Rover. Hope i am right.
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It all comes down to Billy to be honest. HE is the one to decide where he will ply his trade, not Sheff U, Burnley or Rovers.
It is very naive for us to think Billy will turn down £xxx to come to Rovers on £yyyyy.
I'd love him to come here, mainly due to his attitude but WE must be realistic about our wages etc. If we can only afford to pay £5k a week then so be it. Unless the donny public go to the keepmoat in droves it will always be the same.
Do the donny public want a successful club? You could argue no as a great football, in the championship, at a family friendly stadium isnt exactly pulling them in.
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RoversAlias wrote:
Well if they've had a bid accepted you can be sure that as soon as we found out then JR would be back off to the Blades and seeing what that acceptable bid is. One way or another, this could be resolved soon.
If he signs for Burnley, fine. Far better than him joining the likes of Leeds or Barnsley...I don't think we could win an outright bidding war with Burnley, but maybe localiy and his past with this club could sway him in our direction.
If not, we move on. Surely there's some other targets that SOD has his transfer budget earmarked for in the fairly likely event that we don't sign Billy Sharp.
This is where the system goes wrong, a club can be given so much for being abject failures, and so can outbid and obtain players far beyond their normal means. However,if it is true that Billy has signed for them it shows that money talks for Billy Sharp as it does for so many other players. There are more good players around, and we will find another goal scorer I am sure.
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I played in a 5 aside tournament 10 days ago and in one of the teams was a senior rovers player who I had a good chat to and one of the subjects I brought up was the Billy saga, He told me the bid was £650k and in his opinion the club should break the bank to get him as he is (as we know) a great player on and off the pitch, also he desperately wants to stay at Rovers.
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Barmby Rover wrote:
if it is true that Billy has signed for them it shows that money talks for Billy Sharp
You are the first to suggest that he has signed for Burnley.
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If is a big word in that sentence.
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Barmby Rover wrote:
RoversAlias wrote:
Well if they've had a bid accepted you can be sure that as soon as we found out then JR would be back off to the Blades and seeing what that acceptable bid is. One way or another, this could be resolved soon.
If he signs for Burnley, fine. Far better than him joining the likes of Leeds or Barnsley...I don't think we could win an outright bidding war with Burnley, but maybe localiy and his past with this club could sway him in our direction.
If not, we move on. Surely there's some other targets that SOD has his transfer budget earmarked for in the fairly likely event that we don't sign Billy Sharp.
This is where the system goes wrong, a club can be given so much for being abject failures, and so can outbid and obtain players far beyond their normal means. However,if it is true that Billy has signed for them it shows that money talks for Billy Sharp as it does for so many other players. There are more good players around, and we will find another goal scorer I am sure.
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I think the same would apply to the normal working mand and woman using this forum. Heck £5k extra a year, never mind a week, would do it
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If BS does goes to Burnley that's a REAL kicker for us. We can moan about season ticket sales and so on, but signing a player like Billy shows some ambition AND would probably add a number to the season ticket holders.
The club is in a catch 22 situation - on the one hand they bemoan the lack of support from the Doncaster area yet on the other hand they can't market their way out of a paper bag.
It frustrates the f**k out of me.
To grow the club has to:
(a) Really put some effort into the off the field activities - it's been discussed on here so so so many times now. You pay peanuts....
(b) Get Sharp signed - put a marker down FFS. If you buy him, they will come.
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The key to all this is what was the bid and can we match it? Unless Sheff Utd don't want to sell to us. What is clear now is that Billy has no future at Sheff Utd. My belief is that Billy holds the aces here, he knows theres no bedding it at Rovers, he knows he fits in here and has spoke highly of the manager, I would n't rule im out of coming here yet unless Burnley's offer is a ridiculous one
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Link (http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/BREAKING-Blades-to-offload-Sharp.6333996.jp)
SHEFFIELD United have accepted an offer from Burnley for Billy Sharp, The Star understands.
The striker, who recently returned to Bramall Lane following a loan spell at Doncaster Rovers, seems destined to leave Kevin Blackwell's side after being granted permission to speak with the Lancashire club.
Leeds are also known to be interested in Sharp while Rovers had a £600,000 bid rejected by United's board of directors last month.
However, it is believed that Burnley's valuation is closer to the £1.6m fee Sharp commanded when he returned to United from Scunthorpe in July 2007.
Former Sheffield Wednesday manager Brian Laws, now in charge at Turf Moor, completed the capture of Wolves' Chris Iwelumo yesterday.
Laws worked with Sharp at Glanford Park.
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
Link (http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/BREAKING-Blades-to-offload-Sharp.6333996.jp)
SHEFFIELD United have accepted an offer from Burnley for Billy Sharp, The Star understands.
The striker, who recently returned to Bramall Lane following a loan spell at Doncaster Rovers, seems destined to leave Kevin Blackwell's side after being granted permission to speak with the Lancashire club.
Leeds are also known to be interested in Sharp while Rovers had a £600,000 bid rejected by United's board of directors last month.
However, it is believed that Burnley's valuation is closer to the £1.6m fee Sharp commanded when he returned to United from Scunthorpe in July 2007.
Former Sheffield Wednesday manager Brian Laws, now in charge at Turf Moor, completed the capture of Wolves' Chris Iwelumo yesterday.
Laws worked with Sharp at Glanford Park.
If true then theres no way we can match that. We are a small fish in a big pond, thus must cut our cloth accordingly
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Closer to 1.6 million?
That would rule us out.
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Burnley already have Patterson, Fletcher, Nugent, Thompson, Illeuwmo and they want Billy . Either some of those are going if not the Billy has to make a decision on whether he plays regularly or has to fight for a place. The money will come in to it has it does in everybody’s life.
JR and the board will have to make a decision whether we sign are No 1 target or like Shackell he signs for another club. We still do not know if Oster, Hayter and Wilson have signed or whether we are keeping Stock. Looks like the board will be asking Sean to build again and still progress. So let’s send out a message and compete to sign Billy ensure we sign the other three and keep Brian. The squad will still be intact and then get another centre half, left back and loanees, season long to ensure we progress again.
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Joe Garner it is then?
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MrFrost wrote:
Closer to 1.6 million?
That would rule us out.
Hate to be a smart arse but £600,001 is closer to £1.6m than £600,000. We're just speculating. Maybe Burnley bid ten quid more than us. We just don't know.
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If they want anything close to £1.6m (and with the parachute payments Burnley can afford that) we can forget signing Sharp.
It looks like we need to move on to other targets.
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coventryrover wrote:
Snods Shinpad wrote:
Link (http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/BREAKING-Blades-to-offload-Sharp.6333996.jp)
SHEFFIELD United have accepted an offer from Burnley for Billy Sharp, The Star understands.
The striker, who recently returned to Bramall Lane following a loan spell at Doncaster Rovers, seems destined to leave Kevin Blackwell's side after being granted permission to speak with the Lancashire club.
Leeds are also known to be interested in Sharp while Rovers had a £600,000 bid rejected by United's board of directors last month.
However, it is believed that Burnley's valuation is closer to the £1.6m fee Sharp commanded when he returned to United from Scunthorpe in July 2007.
Former Sheffield Wednesday manager Brian Laws, now in charge at Turf Moor, completed the capture of Wolves' Chris Iwelumo yesterday.
Laws worked with Sharp at Glanford Park.
If true then theres no way we can match that. We are a small fish in a big pond, thus must cut our cloth accordingly
Unless there's something wrong with my computer, the text in that article has just changed to say there is interest from Burnley but no bid
Mind you - t'interweb in cloggieland gets mashed up in the windmills sometimes :laugh:
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You're right Dutch. They have changed the text:
BURNLEY have expressed an interest in signing Sheffield United striker Billy Sharp.
The Lancashire club, who were relegated from the Premier League last season, are understood to have approached there Championship rivals earlier today.
But despite reports to the contrary, The Star has learned that Bramall Lane's board of directors are yet to receive an official bid for the marksman.
Indeed, Burnley are believed to be among a number of teams monitoring Sharp's situation at Bramall Lane.
Former Sheffield Wednesday boss Brian Laws, who took charge at the Turf Moor club in January, has already bolstered his attack by capturing Wolves' Chris Iwelumo for an undisclosed fee.
He worked with Sharp during the players previous spell at Scunthorpe.
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They didn't get Sean and I reckon they won't get Billy. JR has bid the 600k and maybe that was just a starting bid?
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Don't we have money in the bank from the sale of Wellens and Mills?
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Savvy wrote:
Don't we have money in the bank from the sale of Wellens and Mills?
gordon frigging bennett back to cloud cuckoo land!!!
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erm, It's okay the club blaming poor ticket sales and attendances for the lack on money available in the transfer market, but surely buying players such as Sharp will increase the attendances both in the short term and long term. I'm sick and tired of the club blaming the attendances, they should consider making a big name signing of two, then see how they improve, as our league position will. Not rocket science?
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Hypothetical arguement though isn't it?
Sharp actually playing for the majority of last season didn't demonstrably increase attendances, so why should signing him suddenly provide the increase in income to offset blowing the club's budget on him?
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Sharp will put 2,500 ST in the kitty and prevent the core of our squad disintegrating .
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graingrover wrote:
Sharp will put 2,500 ST in the kitty and prevent the core of our squad disintegrating .
would you bet that graing?
I would love sharp at the rovers but there are plenty of strikers out there
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Master Katesby wrote:
erm, It's okay the club blaming poor ticket sales and attendances for the lack on money available in the transfer market, but surely buying players such as Sharp will increase the attendances both in the short term and long term. I'm sick and tired of the club blaming the attendances, they should consider making a big name signing of two, then see how they improve, as our league position will. Not rocket science?
No but is the sort of thinking that got Crystal Palace where they are now.
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Hear hear Vaya. I don't recall ever seeing a signing increase the attendance more than momentarily. of course, if we signed Kaka or Ronaldo or someone that wouldn't hold good. But for the sort of player like Billy Sharp, just what makes folk think the attendance would go up and stay up? It certainly won't be the prospect of promotion will it? We didn't manage that last season even though we had Billy. We actually lost attendances whilst he was here. I agree that that was probably due to the economy and to second season blues, but I'm buggered if I can see any reason at all that would reverse that trend.
BobG
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The only thing that will substantially increase attendances is challenging for promotion. People always want to be associated with success. If we ended up getting promoted then there would be an explosion of interest. There is an appetite for football in Donny but our history still holds us back. We are in a much better position than say Wigan Athletic who struggle to get any sort of crowd except for big games as they are a rugby town.
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I think people are possibly superimposing their desire to sign a certain player/players onto the general local population as a whole, and assuming they're of the same mindset.
Plenty of people here miught think the same, but it's a captive audience. The club's got to deal in realities and I don't see them breaking the bank at the expense of long-term stability.
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It's a Catch 22 though isn't it? In the second tier of the best league in the world (arguably), we should have at least some ambition and seek to move up a degree each year, as we have done in the past decade.
The reality is that if we want to start attracting players of Sharp's undoubted (and proven) quality, then on occasion we may have to push the proverbial boat out a bit. After all, there are only so many 'rough diamonds' or 'players who have lost their way and need the SO'D touch' knocking around, I reckon.
If we do not sign BS, then that to me, is a HUGE indication of the real feelings of certain board members' (NOT Sir John I hasten to add...). ON this occasion, with this player, we'd be barmy not to speculate to accumulate....
Another interesting snippet..... I heard from a very, VERY good source that Barnsley players are only paid on average around 3k a week. If that's the case (and I found it hard to swallow that one initially), Shacks must have got one massive signing on fee and Barnsley must have one hell of a bonus incentive scheme.
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I will lay any odds that Billy will not put an extra 2500 ST on the books and will also throw in...keeping the squad in tact and a couple of signings.
Personally speaking I do not believe Billy is worth 1.6m in todays market. He's in the last year of his contract and I have predicted a fee of 750-800k many moons ago. Someone like a Burnley may go to 1m or 1.2m with their windfall and if they get a reputed 7m for selling Thompson to Wolves.
It's more a case of how much will Burnley offer him in wages than the actual fee IMO
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To Vaya and Bob G:
Our history works against us. Of course attendances will not rocket overnight - it will be a cumulative thing... as it always is with Rovers.
As we have discussed ad infinitum on here: Better marketing of DRFC needed for starters.
And let's have a bit of ambition. Billy would be FANTASTIC for us.
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Or Robbins is a muppet and the club's set up for plenty of wage-based dressing room bust-ups.
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Alick Jeffrey put thousands on our gates but he was also a focal point for the media of course which helped us attract folk
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True. I forgot him. But I suppose he had two things in his favour: return of the ultra talented prodigal son, and, before 40 years of decline and near death drove away generations of potential supporters. They've gone now so no Billy Sharp is going to bring them back like Alick did.
BobG
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If BS would put so many bums on seats how come it didn't happen last season. It would take an extraordinary signing to make a significant difference to crowds, and with the current financial set up of football that is not going to happen. If Burnley have offered Billy a lot in wages, then he will go I would have thought. Get real, that would not be the end of the world, Rovers would not be automatic relegation candidates and we would still be getting a striker of some kind. We would still win games,SOD will still be manager, and JR will still be working to improve Rovers chances of signing good players. Let's wait and see what happens and stop panicking over one player, the rest of the squad that have not signed yet are just as important, if not more so.
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Burnley already have Patterson, Fletcher, Nugent, Thompson, Illeuwmo
I don't know which of them is off to Wolves, but it's meant to be around £7M and they didn't break the bank last season which was sensible, so they definitely can afford a few million for Sharp.
As much as I would love to see Billy here, my desire to see the club financially stable is greater.
No player has, is or will ever be bigger or more important than the club. If our resources don't stretch or match, then we have to accept that and sort that out first before shelling out and then figuring a way of how we're going to pay it.
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CusworthRovers wrote:
I will lay any odds that Billy will not put an extra 2500 ST on the books and will also throw in...keeping the squad in tact and a couple of signings.
Personally speaking I do not believe Billy is worth 1.6m in todays market. He's in the last year of his contract and I have predicted a fee of 750-800k many moons ago. Someone like a Burnley may go to 1m or 1.2m with their windfall and if they get a reputed 7m for selling Thompson to Wolves.
It's more a case of how much will Burnley offer him in wages than the actual fee IMO
Agreed in spades.
Sharp is a damned hard worker and good line leader, but signing him would be a gamble. Take out one purple patch last autumn, and his goalscoring record in three years at this level is average to say the least. Add the fact that he's available on a free in a year's time, and there is no way on God's Earth that a sensible club would offer more than £1million for him.
He MIGHT come good. He MIGHT reproduce last autumn's form every season. Equally, he MIGHT carry on scoring at one every 4-5 matches or so, like he has done either side of that run in his time in this division. Which is journeyman return at this level - worth half a million quid investment, tops.
If Burnley are talking £1million+, then good luck to them. They can afford the risk. Taking that sort of gamble could destroy us.
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BST i agree that he MIGHT on all levels, but isn't that what we're about now...gambling? But gambling sensibly?
We can't take 'proven at this level' because a) they're too expensive and b) they wouldnt want to play for us.
Who do we have who is a Championship standard player who has made it at another club?
If we get ALF...it's a gamble, same for the unproven Joe Garner!
Billy is as close to a safe bet as we're going to get for our money (fingers crossed, if miracles happen!)
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DMnumber4 wrote:
BST i agree that he MIGHT on all levels, but isn't that what we're about now...gambling? But gambling sensibly?
We can't take 'proven at this level' because a) they're too expensive and b) they wouldnt want to play for us.
Who do we have who is a Championship standard player who has made it at another club?
If we get ALF...it's a gamble, same for the unproven Joe Garner!
Billy is as close to a safe bet as we're going to get for our money (fingers crossed, if miracles happen!)
Good points. I'm just thinking of the response on here is we pushed the boat out, found £1.5million plus £10k per week for Sharp and he'd scored 5 or 6 goals come Xmas.
Who's Alf by the way? Is he a throwback, Alan Warboys stylee, shout-down-'-pit-for-a-centre-forrad tek-'ball-'keeper-'nets-'pegs-an-'posts-'out-if-it-means-scoring big lad up front?
Gerrin.
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BillyStubbsTears wrote:
Who's Alf by the way?
ALF = Adam Le Fondre
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Simple wrote:
BillyStubbsTears wrote:
Who's Alf by the way?
ALF = Adam Le Fondre
Ahhh. Does he work darn 'pit?
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I think we need to get a few things straight here;
Billy will not be moving for £1.6 million, that was a figure plucked out of the air as something Sheffield United paid for him and would ideally like to recoup (but in reality will not be able to).
It will always be impossible to quantify the effect that signing a player will have on increasing attendances. One thing that is noteworthy is that Billy seems to have had the most significant impact on capturing the imagination of the younger generation of fans, certainly since Michael McIndoe. Many times I've cited the quote from Dean Barrick (teaching at the time) that kids in the playground suddenly didn't want to be the Manchester United player when they were playing football, they wanted to be McIndoe. Since those days Rovers have become far more fashionable amongst the kids in the town, and I know many teachers in local schools that never hear the end of 'Billy Sharp.'
As far as risk goes, I think this one is almost as minimal as it can be. While we are talking about a lot of money in the historical context of the club, we are not talking about amounts that will gamble the future of the club away on a lottery ticket. As important as it is to learn lessons from the stupidity of the likes of Leeds, Portsmouth, Palace etc. I think we need to get away from this falacy that signing one player for a significant investment will send the club to the wall. Billy Sharp has proved that he has a positive impact on the team, the performances, results, and everyone associated with the club. He is at an age where the prospect of him appreciating in value is likely. We could raise the fear of him getting injured (a risk with any player at any club ever), or analyse his time here and 'take out his purple patch,' but why would you want to do that? Those goals still counted. If my Auntie had b*llocks she'd be my uncle.
We may ultimately be outbid, he may opt to sit tight where he is or move elsewhere, but as a Rovers supporter I would find it very disappointing if we didn't try as hard as is realistically possible to bring him to the club.
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BillyStubbsTears wrote:
Simple wrote:
BillyStubbsTears wrote:
Who's Alf by the way?
ALF = Adam Le Fondre
Ahhh. Does he work darn 'pit?
Wi a name like \"Le Fondre\"? I think he's a personal shopper or summat equally new-fangled and soft as shite.
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Agree with everything Jonathan says. Billy Sharp is as proven a goalscorer as we are likely to be in the market for this summer. He knows the system, likes it at Rovers.... To me, it's the perfect marriage. Yes, we are a small club in a big league. So were/are Blackpool.
Players like Sharp do not come along to clubs like us very often. In 35+ years following Rovers, I can probably count them on one hand, two hands at a very hard push.
Sharp is as sure as bet as SO'D has had during his tenure.
f**k it. Sign the lad. Get him on a sensible not-breaking-the-structure salary but incentivise the buggery out of his 4 or 5 year contract.
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I'm not sure anyone is raking into a
ccount just how much beyond our previous budget Sharp would be. A million pound fee and 10k a week (say) on a four year contract means the club committing to a £3million investment. I suspect we've never previously spent a quarter of that on one player.
Which raises questions about just how much would be in the pot for other players in areas that we badly need to strengthen.
THAT us why it would be a huge gamble. Commit that sort of money to Sharp and you are putting all your eggs in that particular basket. If we have that sort of money to spend, would we be better off spreading it around several decent quality players. (£3million is probably about the sum we spent on fees and wages for O'Connor, Mills, Wellens, Heffernan and Stock combined when we first signed them.)
So, if you are putting all your eggs in the one basket, you'd better be sure the basket has been thoroughly appraised. Which us why I raise the scoring issue. We are assuming that Sharp's six week spell in Autumn last year is the real thing, and the 150 weeks either side when he's scored at a moderate rate are a blip.
Might be right. Hope it's right if we shell out three million quid on him.
It's a tough one. It would be wonderful if we could pick up a player of the quality of Sharp. But it would be far from a one way bet. Unless we really do have serious money to spend.
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I'm not sure anyone is raking into a
ccount just how much beyond our previous budget Sharp would be. A million pound fee and 10k a week (say) on a four year contract means the club committing to a £3million investment. I suspect we've never previously spent a quarter of that on one player.
Which raises questions about just how much would be in the pot for other players in areas that we badly need to strengthen.
THAT us why it would be a huge gamble. Commit that sort of money to Sharp and you are putting all your eggs in that particular basket. If we have that sort of money to spend, would we be better off spreading it around several decent quality players. (£3million is probably about the sum we spent on fees and wages for O'Connor, Mills, Wellens, Heffernan and Stock combined when we first signed them.)
So, if you are putting all your eggs in the one basket, you'd better be sure the basket has been thoroughly appraised. Which us why I raise the scoring issue. We are assuming that Sharp's six week spell in Autumn last year is the real thing, and the 150 weeks either side when he's scored at a moderate rate are a blip.
Might be right. Hope it's right if we shell out three million quid on him.
It's a tough one. It would be wonderful if we could pick up a player of the quality of Sharp. But it would be far from a one way bet. Unless we really do have serious money to spend.
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Snods Shinpad wrote:
You're right Dutch. They have changed the text:
BURNLEY have expressed an interest in signing Sheffield United striker Billy Sharp.
The Lancashire club, who were relegated from the Premier League last season, are understood to have approached there Championship rivals earlier today.
But despite reports to the contrary, The Star has learned that Bramall Lane's board of directors are yet to receive an official bid for the marksman.
Indeed, Burnley are believed to be among a number of teams monitoring Sharp's situation at Bramall Lane.
Former Sheffield Wednesday boss Brian Laws, who took charge at the Turf Moor club in January, has already bolstered his attack by capturing Wolves' Chris Iwelumo for an undisclosed fee.
He worked with Sharp during the players previous spell at Scunthorpe.
It looks like someone is trying to engineer a bidding war, if no other bids have come in for him then if I was JR and we could afford it I would go back to Sheff Utd with a slightly improved bid, getting in and speaking to Billy and his Agent first may be crucial to who bags his signature.
The fact that no other bids have been made for him since our bid was rejected suggests that any other club interested are not willing to pay much more than what we offered
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Filo wrote:
Snods Shinpad wrote:
You're right Dutch. They have changed the text:
BURNLEY have expressed an interest in signing Sheffield United striker Billy Sharp.
The Lancashire club, who were relegated from the Premier League last season, are understood to have approached there Championship rivals earlier today.
But despite reports to the contrary, The Star has learned that Bramall Lane's board of directors are yet to receive an official bid for the marksman.
Indeed, Burnley are believed to be among a number of teams monitoring Sharp's situation at Bramall Lane.
Former Sheffield Wednesday boss Brian Laws, who took charge at the Turf Moor club in January, has already bolstered his attack by capturing Wolves' Chris Iwelumo for an undisclosed fee.
He worked with Sharp during the players previous spell at Scunthorpe.
It looks like someone is trying to engineer a bidding war, if no other bids have come in for him then if I was JR and we could afford it I would go back to Sheff Utd with a slightly improved bid, getting in and speaking to Billy and his Agent first may be crucial to who bags his signature.
u mean like barnsley did with shacks filo?
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Must just point out that most strikers score in bursts. It was the same for Heffernan a lot of the time, a run of games without a goal and then a 'purple patch.' It's the same for Rooney. It's harsh to pay too much attention to time playing on the wing at Sheffield United, BST makes out like we're trying to sign someone with the goal scoring prowess of Emile Heskey save for 6 weeks. It's simply misleading.
And before we get too deep into the old argument of 'if we sign Billy then player x will become unhappy and demand more,' let's not forget that several of our key players spoke out in the press about the importance of signing Sharp. It would be far more likely to keep our team together, not drive it apart.
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http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and compromises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
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PACMAN wrote:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and comprimises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
I was just thinking the same. As much as I'd love to have Billy, we can't afford (literally) to put all our eggs into one basket. We need strengthening all round.
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last season we had 7,000 STH this season we have 4,500 to date ... Billy would put 2,500 on that , bacause signing him would show the true level of our ambition .( I believe )
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You are more than entitled to believe that if you want to but I dare say there are a few people who like me have had season tickets for over 20 years and can't (not won't) get one this season for personal money reasons. Its got nothing to do with the clubs ambition for me otherwise I would have not bothered getting one until the Penney days.
I can't imagine for one minute that signing Billy will suddenly put that extra £300+ into my pocket that is needed. Anyone who refuses to buy one due to lack of ambition at DRFC must be having a laugh. The club is in its best shape ever and I for one would not want to see it all risked for 1 or 2 bank busting signings and then end up gathering outside the Keepmoat like Palace were at Selhurst Park at the weekend. If you can afford a ST then you should buy one as this is easily the best team we have ever had and, who knows, it may never get any better.
As is pointed out correctly earlier, Billy Sharp didn't put bums on seats last season so why would he this. The truth is that people have other priorities at the moment, like feeding families for one. DRFC are very important to me and i'm gutted that I can't afford a ST, but some things are more important. I suspect the numbers are down as a lot of people will be in the same boat.
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5minstogo wrote:
PACMAN wrote:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and comprimises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
I was just thinking the same. As much as I'd love to have Billy, we can't afford (literally) to put all our eggs into one basket. We need strengthening all round.
Sean has been given the largest budget in Doncaster History thats what JR said. The Targets of Billy Sharp, Jason Shackell or Elliot Ward have been there also. Did we think when setting this substantial increase in budget that our No1 targets would come cheap if so we are naive!!. To get a striker or centre half of the quality of our two targets was going to cost. I do not believe that Sean or JR are naive so lets not start now getting fourth or fifth best.Also lets stop comparing these signing to the Crystal Palace situation, we set our targets if they are to costly to match the clubs expectations then the club should say so, they have not yet.
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Its not about 4th or 5th best, but SOD certainly does have a list of targets ranked in preference order. JR asked for plans B through E if Plan A didnt come off.
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steve@dcfd wrote:
5minstogo wrote:
PACMAN wrote:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and comprimises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
I was just thinking the same. As much as I'd love to have Billy, we can't afford (literally) to put all our eggs into one basket. We need strengthening all round.
Sean has been given the largest budget in Doncaster History thats what JR said. The Targets of Billy Sharp, Jason Shackell or Elliot Ward have been there also. Did we think when setting this substantial increase in budget that our No1 targets would come cheap if so we are naive!!. To get a striker or centre half of the quality of our two targets was going to cost. I do not believe that Sean or JR are naive so lets not start now getting fourth or fifth best.
Newsflash...............Shackell & Ward are no longer options and if Burnley, armed with the parachute payments and a reputed £7m fee for Fletcher from Wolves, are seriously interested Billy Sharp won't be an option for longer either!!
FFS, wake up and smell the coffee!! We are a small club in a big league and our biggest ever budget is small change to some. :(
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RobTheRover wrote:
Its not about 4th or 5th best, but SOD certainly does have a list of targets ranked in preference order. JR asked for plans B through E if Plan A didnt come off.
I would expect a manager of Sean's ability to have ranked his list. He would have done last year also. Yet out of the players brought in only One John Oster was regular first team player and he still has not signed ?. So they must have been E(5th) and F(6th) players on last years list. Without the Sean bringing in Billy and Jason and the other loanees who improve the first team we would not have improved our position, in fact I believe we would have been worst.
I know we cannot compete with large wages I am being realistic so its about time the club JR was and stop saying we are aiming for the playoffs when we cannot afford to buy or spend as yet £500,000 on one player.
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PACMAN wrote:
steve@dcfd wrote:
5minstogo wrote:
PACMAN wrote:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and comprimises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
I was just thinking the same. As much as I'd love to have Billy, we can't afford (literally) to put all our eggs into one basket. We need strengthening all round.
Sean has been given the largest budget in Doncaster History thats what JR said. The Targets of Billy Sharp, Jason Shackell or Elliot Ward have been there also. Did we think when setting this substantial increase in budget that our No1 targets would come cheap if so we are naive!!. To get a striker or centre half of the quality of our two targets was going to cost. I do not believe that Sean or JR are naive so lets not start now getting fourth or fifth best.
Newsflash...............Shackell & Ward are no longer options and if Burnley, armed with the parachute payments and a reputed £7m fee for Fletcher from Wolves, are seriously interested Billy Sharp won't be an option for longer either!!
FFS, wake up and smell the coffee!! We are a small club in a big league and our biggest ever budget is small change to some. :(
I hate to say it but for those who were unconcerned about the effects parachute payments have on the league, well here it is in all its glory! Burnley, a similar size club to Rovers with worse facilities have been transformed in to big time Charlies and we simply can't compete with them.
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The biggest difference between our club and Burnley is the big chump they have for a manager.
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Good call
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PACMAN wrote:
steve@dcfd wrote:
5minstogo wrote:
PACMAN wrote:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and comprimises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
I was just thinking the same. As much as I'd love to have Billy, we can't afford (literally) to put all our eggs into one basket. We need strengthening all round.
Sean has been given the largest budget in Doncaster History thats what JR said. The Targets of Billy Sharp, Jason Shackell or Elliot Ward have been there also. Did we think when setting this substantial increase in budget that our No1 targets would come cheap if so we are naive!!. To get a striker or centre half of the quality of our two targets was going to cost. I do not believe that Sean or JR are naive so lets not start now getting fourth or fifth best.
Newsflash...............Shackell & Ward are no longer options and if Burnley, armed with the parachute payments and a reputed £7m fee for Fletcher from Wolves, are seriously interested Billy Sharp won't be an option for longer either!!
FFS, wake up and smell the coffee!! We are a small club in a big league and our biggest ever budget is small change to some. :(
He does'nt need to smell the coffee!when will you learn SOD prefers a good cuppa tea! ;)
Actually what I think 5minstogo was saying is he does'nt believe(and I agree with him) that signing Billy will take up most of the budget and if we do sign him we will not sign any other players but squad players BECAUSE we have supposedly already bid for shackell and his wages(said to be probably out our wage range by SOD last season).So IF Shacks had signed for us that would mean that we would not have enough in the budget anymore to sign Billy then????I don't believe that.More poverty pleas by the club to try and get players without paying over the odds is more plausible,understandably.
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River Don wrote:
PACMAN wrote:
steve@dcfd wrote:
5minstogo wrote:
PACMAN wrote:
http://www.thestar.co.uk/rovers/Rovers-may-go-for-loan.6334476.jp
I think the last couple of paragraghs are key here, if we were to land Sharp the majority of our budget would be gone and comprimises would have to be made elsewhere.
Hmmmmm.....................lets move on shall we, I'd rather see 3-4 quality additions than one plus a few squad players, it is a team game after all!! :huh:
I was just thinking the same. As much as I'd love to have Billy, we can't afford (literally) to put all our eggs into one basket. We need strengthening all round.
Sean has been given the largest budget in Doncaster History thats what JR said. The Targets of Billy Sharp, Jason Shackell or Elliot Ward have been there also. Did we think when setting this substantial increase in budget that our No1 targets would come cheap if so we are naive!!. To get a striker or centre half of the quality of our two targets was going to cost. I do not believe that Sean or JR are naive so lets not start now getting fourth or fifth best.
Newsflash...............Shackell & Ward are no longer options and if Burnley, armed with the parachute payments and a reputed £7m fee for Fletcher from Wolves, are seriously interested Billy Sharp won't be an option for longer either!!
FFS, wake up and smell the coffee!! We are a small club in a big league and our biggest ever budget is small change to some. :(
I hate to say it but for those who were unconcerned about the effects parachute payments have on the league, well here it is in all its glory! Burnley, a similar size club to Rovers with worse facilities have been transformed in to big time Charlies and we simply can't compete with them.
But Burnley especially with Laws in charge are likely to squander or ill invest their windfall and Hull City who have already spent unwisely need their share to just cut-down their debt a fraction whereas teams like Blackpool and us(well run and comparatively finacially sound) if we ever inherit some of these funds are likely to make good,steady progress and growth slowly over the years with it.
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I know this is an old cliche, but it basically does come down to Sean/Ryan and the Board.........they want what is best for the club, they really want us to push on and improve the quality, they know what the club can/cannot afford and they know how to achieve this. Only they know what we are capable of financially and where we can take this club of ours. Only they know what will ruin the club. It really is the old chestnut of 'In Sean/Ryan we trust'..........and we have no reason to doubt them, all us cheeky monkeys can do is have a good old chin wag and throw our uneducated, clueless and speculative tu'penneth worth in.
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Bloody hell our rejected bid is going down all the time now it stands at £450,000 oh and Burnley have bid £1 million
Burnley make £1m move for Sheffield United star Billy Sharp after Doncaster bid bounces
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:34 PM on 2nd June 2010
Comments (0) Add to My Stories Burnley manager Brian Laws has made a £1million bid for Sheffield United striker Billy Sharp - after Doncaster had a £450,000 bid rejected.
Meanwhile Burnley bad boy midfielder Joey Gudjonsson has signed a two-year deal at Huddersfield. The Iceland international was suspended for two weeks in April after criticising Brian Laws.
Sheffield United will move for Stoke goalkeeper Steve Simonsen if Paddy Kenny is lured to QPR.
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Barmby Rover wrote:
If BS would put so many bums on seats how come it didn't happen last season. It would take an extraordinary signing to make a significant difference to crowds, and with the current financial set up of football that is not going to happen. If Burnley have offered Billy a lot in wages, then he will go I would have thought. Get real, that would not be the end of the world, Rovers would not be automatic relegation candidates and we would still be getting a striker of some kind. We would still win games,SOD will still be manager, and JR will still be working to improve Rovers chances of signing good players. Let's wait and see what happens and stop panicking over one player, the rest of the squad that have not signed yet are just as important, if not more so.
He was an unknown quantity when he started with us last season and I would wager that we did have an increase in attendances and a decrease when he was out of the team injured and whatever hopes of a P/Off push disappeared.
He would raise the gate imo, by how much ? well hopefully that remains to be seen BR.
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According to 606 S. United accept a 1.5 million offer for
sharp sorry but do not no how to put the link up