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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Snods Shinpad 2 on July 05, 2010, 07:12:10 pm
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Rotherham:
\"Got to say though, a great signing for Donny. Not sure its wise for them to be spending over £1m on a player but it shows the ambition they have. If someone told one of the 800 Donny fans who stuck around to witness their demise 10/12 years ago that in 2010 they will be playing in a shiny new stadium to crowds of 12000+ in the 2nd tier of English football and spending £1m+ on a striker, they'd be sent to the funny farm!\"
\"Donny outsiders for promotion anyone?\"
L**ds:
\"Im sorry, but if f*cking interbreeding Doncaster can cough up 1.1 million, so can we\"
\"F*cking hell what's the world coming to. Donny can afford him and we can't, shocking stuff\"
\"2+2 would mean that we were never seriously interested in Billy Sharp then.\"
\"Surely Donnie can't afford that!? Very impressive sign of intent if true.\"
\"They are more ambitious than we are.\"
Scunny:
\"so long as he keeps firing them in for Donny then that price is a steal\"
\"donny are a well run club and their board will not have endangered them to buy Sharp\"
\"Our goal as a club has to be to further develop all our resources so we're not being outmuscled financially by clubs like Doncaster.\"
Dingles:
\"that's a reyt signing......wish he was coming to us.......we still need a goalscorer....\"
\"That's a lot of money for the pikeys to be paying out, plus his wages. Poor old von Ryans express. it looks like cosmetic surgery prices going up.\"
\"Peg sales must have boomed.\"
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Fantastic. Good to see are local rivals finally taking us seriously. Hopefully a sign of things to come. As for Leeds....BRING IT ON!!!
They need to realize that they are no longer a big fish in a small pond. Doncaster Rovers are able to compete with them. We have been there superior since that amazing wembley day. The sooner Leeds realize this the better for them.
'Little' Donny are no longer little. Teams now are starting to realize we mean business. Long may it continue.
ROVER TILL I DIE :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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great impression we've made on the local rivals!
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paddymacca wrote:
Fantastic. Good to see are local rivals finally taking us seriously. Hopefully a sign of things to come. As for Leeds....BRING IT ON!!!
They need to realize that they are no longer a big fish in a small pond. Doncaster Rovers are able to compete with them. We have been there superior since that amazing wembley day. The sooner Leeds realize this the better for them.
'Little' Donny are no longer little. Teams now are starting to realize we mean business. Long may it continue.
ROVER TILL I DIE :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
I'm willing to bet if you search that comment up, you'll find it, on Leeds forums, as a piece of humour
Still we're a sizeable club now i guess
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Without Billy we had a very very good team with him exceptional! SO bring them on!
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This quote was on WACCOE, but doesn't mention the source
Donny Chairman (John Ryan) on this signing:
“As you all probably know by now (and if you don’t, what is it like on the moon?) Billy has indeed signed, pending a medical. A press conference is scheduled for Wednesday.
Also, Simon Gillett has agreed to sign, and three loan players have also agreed to come. No specific details as yet on those.
Today really is a hugely significant day in the history of our great club. Today is the day that we step up to become a major force in this division. Enjoy that thought.”
The last bit puzzles me; not sure how signing a player they had for the majority of last season equates to a hugely significant day in their history...
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hooped crusader wrote:
This quote was on WACCOE, but doesn't mention the source
Donny Chairman (John Ryan) on this signing:
“As you all probably know by now (and if you don’t, what is it like on the moon?) Billy has indeed signed, pending a medical. A press conference is scheduled for Wednesday.
Also, Simon Gillett has agreed to sign, and three loan players have also agreed to come. No specific details as yet on those.
Today really is a hugely significant day in the history of our great club. Today is the day that we step up to become a major force in this division. Enjoy that thought.”
The last bit puzzles me; not sure how signing a player they had for the majority of last season equates to a hugely significant day in their history...
Didn't RTR say that? :blink:
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oops :blush:
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Chris wrote:
Didn't RTR say that? :blink:
http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=57&func=view&catid=999999&id=93081&limit=20#93081
:laugh:
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It tickles me that Scunny seem to think they are a bigger club than us. \"Out-muscled by clubs like Doncaster\"
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hooped crusader wrote:
This quote was on WACCOE, but doesn't mention the source
Donny Chairman (John Ryan) on this signing:
“As you all probably know by now (and if you don’t, what is it like on the moon?) Billy has indeed signed, pending a medical. A press conference is scheduled for Wednesday.
Also, Simon Gillett has agreed to sign, and three loan players have also agreed to come. No specific details as yet on those.
Today really is a hugely significant day in the history of our great club. Today is the day that we step up to become a major force in this division. Enjoy that thought.”
The last bit puzzles me; not sure how signing a player they had for the majority of last season equates to a hugely significant day in their history...
Chuffing hell - I wish I was a quid behind him! (Cos I'd have a seat on the rovers board too!)
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Quote from WACCOE board:- \"2+2 would mean that we were never seriously interested in Billy Sharp then.\" unquote.
Don't they get it......2+2 means that Billy Sharp was never seriously interested in them.
Poor deluded fu***ng idiots.
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Spot on.
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Not a bad days result for a little old pub team. :lol:
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rover-n-out wrote:
Quote from WACCOE board:- \"2+2 would mean that we were never seriously interested in Billy Sharp then.\" unquote.
Leeds and maths?
'Od on a bit. Here's the text from Paps Smurf's Book on Elementary Football Mathematics.
\"2+2=8% of the square root of jack shit. And if you don't like it, sue me.\"
Which, as even Kurt Godel would admit, proves beyond reproof that Leeds=shit.
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Leeds fan here.
Sharp was never on our radar. Why quote the odd WACCOE post when a good 70% on that thread didn't want him.
Leeds are linked with Hooper who has much more potential than Sharp. Even after Paynter Grayson said there will be a number one striker signing to come.
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I thinkyou are right mate. I dont think Leeds were seriously in for him either, but disagree on Hooper having more potential. I hope you get him and we will know one way or the other.
What I do know is that whatever potential Billy has inside him, SOD will unlock.
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Sharp is a very good signing for you,but Leeds would need to change their tactics for him to fit into our style of play. He was a flop for Sheffield Utd but that's a lot to do with Blackwell playing him out of position.
After the signing of Paynter Grayson said there was one or two strikers to come,but also said he wasn't going to put a figure on how many. I know what Bates is but to be fair he has backed managers and spent nearly £4m on Hulse,Healy and Cresswell.
No one knows who is on our radar but I think Hooper would be the ideal 'Beckford replacement' rather than Sharp and that's not taking anything away from Sharp it's just we seem to rely on that type of person in our team as opposed to scoring from other positions on the field as Doncaster seem to do.
Sharp probably may only get Leeds half the goals he will get for you.
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morning all,very good signing for you indeed,you picked the busiest (possible worst)message board there and took the worst comments,i wish him and you well,its no big shock he said all along he wanted to come here and jr kept saying he would try his hardest to get him,hope all goes well for you both and he bangs them in (just not agin us !!) as for hooper hes one i really rate and have always said i would prefer him of the two,dont get me wrong i would of been happy to see sharp at er but want someone who wants to come and play for us,not someone whos mind is somewhere else
on another note we have today been linked with the arsenal lad that you had last season jet,is he up to the grade and can he play ?
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Like Blakey (quite rightly) says about Sharp not fitting in at Leeds, I suspect JET wouldnt either. He drifts in and out of games, sometimes dynamic and direct, othertimes looking like he'd rather be anywhere but on the pitch. Would I have him back this season? Like a f**king shot!
He has that unpredictability that Asprilla used to have, like even he doesnt know what he's going to do next. The guy might never make the grade for Arsenal, but I'd have him with us in a heartbeat. The Rovers fans took him to their hearts. Like us, he has a certain frailty about him, a flaw, and we like that. I'm not so sure he'd get that understanding when he tries something and fails at ER.
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RobTheRover wrote:
Like Blakey (quite rightly) says about Sharp not fitting in at Leeds, I suspect JET wouldnt either. He drifts in and out of games, sometimes dynamic and direct, othertimes looking like he'd rather be anywhere but on the pitch.
They were fairly keen on a certain Mr Beckford, and you've pretty much described him to a tee ;)
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I agree with that rob, never know which JET we will get on the day but if for every poor game he plays, we get a great game out of him, that would do for me, many people would dissagree and say we need consistancy, but the lad can do well for us i think. and he adds a little height to the team.
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EXCELLENT SIGNING.
but please, it makes me cringe... Leeds United are NOT a rival of us. They just aren't, european cup winners, bremner, giles, clarke.. champions league, £1000 fish...
im being serious, they are not our rivals, and it really does make me cringe when we say they are.
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Of course they are, Bob.
They are an opposition team in the same division. Exactly how does that make them NOT our rivals?
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Now I don't think of Leeds any differently from any other club (barring DRFC of course) but if you think that a team that ply their trade in the same tier of English football as we do aren't our rivals, can you explain who is please?
If you'd left out the \"I'm being serious\" I may have agreed!
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Come on. Leeds are one of our local rivals, and a team we'd like to beat (again). Historically a bigger team than us...whether that continues remains to be seen. We are building something at Doncaster, piece by piece, player by player. Whose to say we can't rival or better teams like Leeds in our future. It's great trying!
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bobjames wrote:
EXCELLENT SIGNING.
but please, it makes me cringe... Leeds United are NOT a rival of us. They just aren't, european cup winners, bremner, giles, clarke.. champions league, £1000 fish...
im being serious, they are not our rivals, and it really does make me cringe when we say they are.
european cup winners? :blink:
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I thought we had already established Bob is another who only ever posts about Leeds.
Hmmmmmmmmm ;-)
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Leeds not our rivals what a load of rubbish, it was not long ago they pinched Killkenny off us if that does not make them rivals what does
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My biggest worry of leeds is if any of their Donny white fans start using their three brain cells and think about wearing a red shirt..because personally I dont want to see their fecking faces on our terraces, it used to wind me up big time when they turned up on the pop side.
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bobjames wrote:
EXCELLENT SIGNING.
but please, it makes me cringe... Leeds United are NOT a rival of us. They just aren't, european cup winners, bremner, giles, clarke.. champions league, £1000 fish...
im being serious, they are not our rivals, and it really does make me cringe when we say they are.
1. Another football club not 35 miles away
2. Play within the same league
3. Chase the same players
4. Chase the same pound by attracting the support within our area
:blink: Bremner, Giles,Clarke was 40, yes, 40 years ago
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Leeds ? :chair: who? oh yes just a small pub team in East Lancashire
:scarf: :scarf: :scarf: TID
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bobjimwilly wrote:
bobjames wrote:
EXCELLENT SIGNING.
but please, it makes me cringe... Leeds United are NOT a rival of us. They just aren't, european cup winners, bremner, giles, clarke.. champions league, £1000 fish...
im being serious, they are not our rivals, and it really does make me cringe when we say they are.
european cup winners? :blink:
Aye, they`ve told themselves that they are the champions of Europe that many times, they now believe that they actually won the European Cup :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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blakey wrote:
Leeds fan here.
Sharp was never on our radar. Why quote the odd WACCOE post when a good 70% on that thread didn't want him.
Leeds are linked with Hooper who has much more potential than Sharp. Even after Paynter Grayson said there will be a number one striker signing to come.
Hooper is a couple of years behind Sharp and I think would cost more than £1.1m. Has he got more potential than Sharp had when he was at Scunny? I don't believe so. The problem with potential is that it has to be fulfilled. Think Lewis Guy!
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i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target
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donnywhitegaz wrote:
i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target
I reckon the fact that Billy was out injured after March had a bearing on the fact that he did n`t score in that period ;)
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I dont think I'd be happy paying 2+ for Hooper. He's a decent mid-table CCC player, nothing more.
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BillyStubbsTears wrote:
rover-n-out wrote:
Quote from WACCOE board:- \"2+2 would mean that we were never seriously interested in Billy Sharp then.\" unquote.
Leeds and maths?
'Od on a bit. Here's the text from Paps Smurf's Book on Elementary Football Mathematics.
\"2+2=8% of the square root of jack shit. And if you don't like it, sue me.\"
Which, as even Kurt Godel would admit, proves beyond reproof that Leeds=shit.
No message from BST would be complete without a reference to Goedel :laugh:
Mind you I can't prove it :laugh:
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donnywhitegaz wrote:
i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target
Sharp didn't do anything after March as he was injured and I think you will find Hooper scored in 2 spells either side of an injury it's just his was in the middle of the season. They had comparable records otherwise.
The thing is just because a player is good at one club it doesn't mean they will be a success at another, Sharp is already and will continue to be a success at Doncaster with SO'D in charge, there are no garauntees with Hooper, as he didn't set the world alight prior to joining Scunny.
£1.1m for a striker we know will score 15+ goals and £2m+ for a striker who is capable but an unknown quantity at a new club, I'm more than happy with our acquisition.
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RobTheRover wrote:
I dont think I'd be happy paying 2+ for Hooper. He's a decent mid-table CCC player, nothing more.
dont agree rob,even if we dont get him whoever does is getting a very good young player 22 years old,30 goals in l1 season before,20 goals last year in an average scunny side so i reckon he could improve big time,if it was down to me though the one i want and have all along is david nugent,i think he just needs a new club and an arm round his shoulder and he could really do some damage in the npc
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the one i want and have all along is david nugent,i think he just needs a new club and an arm round his shoulder and he could really do some damage in the npc
If he signed for Weeds, he'd need hands round his throat!
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DearneValleyRover wrote:
donnywhitegaz wrote:
i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target
Sharp didn't do anything after March as he was injured and I think you will find Hooper scored in 2 spells either side of an injury it's just his was in the middle of the season. They had comparable records otherwise.
The thing is just because a player is good at one club it doesn't mean they will be a success at another, Sharp is already and will continue to be a success at Doncaster with SO'D in charge, there are no garauntees with Hooper, as he didn't set the world alight prior to joining Scunny.
£1.1m for a striker we know will score 15+ goals and £2m+ for a striker who is capable but an unknown quantity at a new club, I'm more than happy with our acquasition.
i dont think that argument will hold water?
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donnywhitegaz wrote:
i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target
As stated above, the fact Billy was injured may be the reason why he didn't score too many after March. Hooper has had a couple of decent seasons after being average at best for Southend. One of these was at the lower level in Lge One where, as Leeds fans should be only too familiar, defences are a lot poorer.
I think that Hooper is a good player, similar to what Billy was when at Scunny but £2m? Not for me thanks.
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but when at southend he was only 19-20 and as we at leeds always find out,the price could have been 1 mill but when we come along it doubles :angry: im happy for you and billy as it looks like the right move i hope it all goes well for him now for us to find the chosen one to get the goals for us for me it has to be hooper or nugent but you never know with grayson as he likes to keep things close to his chest
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bedale rover wrote:
DearneValleyRover wrote:
donnywhitegaz wrote:
i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target
Sharp didn't do anything after March as he was injured and I think you will find Hooper scored in 2 spells either side of an injury it's just his was in the middle of the season. They had comparable records otherwise.
The thing is just because a player is good at one club it doesn't mean they will be a success at another, Sharp is already and will continue to be a success at Doncaster with SO'D in charge, there are no garauntees with Hooper, as he didn't set the world alight prior to joining Scunny.
£1.1m for a striker we know will score 15+ goals and £2m+ for a striker who is capable but an unknown quantity at a new club, I'm more than happy with our acquasition.
i dont think that argument will hold water?
Thanks for the trip, sorry tip :)
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Like I say Sharp is a good signing for you and the way you play but not really for us and I understand why Grayson hasn't looked at him. To be honest I don't know why we didn't go in for Kris Boyd but the obvious Strachan pull had a lot to do with that.
The only striker I can think of that would fit the bill is Hooper but it does all depend on what we can spend. Sharp will no doubt get you over 15 goals, 20 at a push.
Im just glad to be back in a better division,rivals or not it is good to have a few Yorkshire teams now in the championship.
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blakey wrote:
Like I say Sharp is a good signing for you and the way you play but not really for us and I understand why Grayson hasn't looked at him. To be honest I don't know why we didn't go in for Kris Boyd but the obvious Strachan pull had a lot to do with that.
The only striker I can think of that would fit the bill is Hooper but it does all depend on what we can spend. Sharp will no doubt get you over 15 goals, 20 at a push.
Im just glad to be back in a better division,rivals or not it is good to have a few Yorkshire teams now in the championship.
it was even better to have a lot of south yorkshire sides in the championship last year
but at a push we will let in the west/east riding teams :laugh:
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Thankyou. The games against you should be interesting. Both teams are a lot different to 2 years ago and the ones we have left,Snodgrass,Kilkenny and Howson should be adapted more to the championship with them given more time on the ball and allowed to expess more of their talent.
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blakey wrote:
Thankyou. The games against you should be interesting. Both teams are a lot different to 2 years ago and the ones we have left,Snodgrass,Kilkenny and Howson should be adapted more to the championship with them given more time on the ball and allowed to expess more of their talent.
Good luck with that one blakey ;)
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donnywhites there seems to be more than enough bad fealing
towards the mentioned bunch within rovers fans today
i did not notice it so much when wa stood on terrace at BV
maybe its down to the computor where fans can voice whatever
think i should point one fact out thou when rovers played in that johnstone paint trophy final at cardiff vs bristol rovers
it woulød be a good bet that there was a good 1500+ donnywhites
in the ground shouting for rovers.
iam sue this bad fealing with donnywhites from some rovers fans has come since rovers and leeds were in league1 together and the final at wembley.
at a guess for sure donnywhites will have now put more distance between them and home towns team mainly due to the result of that day in the smoke.
its not worth busting a blood vessel over this donnywhite thing
or donnyowl,blade whatever as lets be honest here it was not too long ago that rovers were consistantly the shite of south yorkshire at the least and not too strong on the whole of yorkshire stakes,hence why the mixed bag of yorkshire other teams donnyfans
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Simple fact is that I would rather have Sharp than Hooper whatever the price involved.
Hooper is a good player, no doubt about that and he proved it at the KMS last season, but Sharp is better than him.
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Jonathan wrote:
Simple fact is that I would rather have Sharp than Hooper whatever the price involved.
Hooper is a good player, no doubt about that and he proved it at the KMS last season, but Sharp is better than him.
I think Hooper needs a player alongside, and yes Paynter or Becchio would be perfect. Whereas Billy can play up top on his own, his desire is second to none.
Different players yes, but over 800k difference in price? No way.
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oslorovers wrote:
donnywhites there seems to be more than enough bad fealing
towards the mentioned bunch within rovers fans today
i did not notice it so much when wa stood on terrace at BV
maybe its down to the computor where fans can voice whatever
think i should point one fact out thou when rovers played in that johnstone paint trophy final at cardiff vs bristol rovers
it woulød be a good bet that there was a good 1500+ donnywhites
in the ground shouting for rovers.
iam sue this bad fealing with donnywhites from some rovers fans has come since rovers and leeds were in league1 together and the final at wembley.
at a guess for sure donnywhites will have now put more distance between them and home towns team mainly due to the result of that day in the smoke.
its not worth busting a blood vessel over this donnywhite thing
or donnyowl,blade whatever as lets be honest here it was not too long ago that rovers were consistantly the shite of south yorkshire at the least and not too strong on the whole of yorkshire stakes,hence why the mixed bag of yorkshire other teams donnyfans
Churchillesque Old Boy! Lyn Oslo appear to be facing financial meltdown eh? Can't understand why the pre-season friendly was called off as they would appear ideal opponents for our lot.
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Leeds recruitment policy continues they will be going back down have no doubt about that!
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There are a lot of short memories on here tonight. Well, that or young chaps! Peter Kitchen looked bloody rubbish in his first two seasons at BV. Brian Dean looked worse. Yet both went on to become really, really good players. And the point of this? That both were 19-20 years old. So Hooper at Southend when he was 19 and 20 was a very different kettle of fish to Hooper at 22 at Leeds, or even somewhere else. I think he'll be a top player. Mind you, I think Billy is tops too :)
Cheers
BobG
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On the other hand Lewis Guy looked a bit raw at a young age when he came to us......... B) :coat:
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The thing for me is that Hooper played last season in a Scunny team that went a bit gung-ho going forwards, but left their defence exposed, and they were utter shenry at the back. Its no surprise he got goals given that approach. Scunny ALWAYS seemed to commit the extra man forward in their attacks.
If Leeds land him, and are prepared to play that way in a tougher division than the last time you were here, then he could get goals. I suspect the ER faithful will see a lot of 0-0s this season. Beckford could get by on half chances. I'm not sure Hooper can.
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Maybe not.Beckford played in the championship with us when he was Hoopers age and did nothing hence why he was loaned out to league one. Fair play to Hooper, he has adapted to the championship well being the 2nd(or 3rd) top striker last season for an overall poor team.
Beckford's knack however was to score goals when the team looked second best but I think we relied on this too much but even on top of the game Beckford's chances/goal ratio was never that great. The strange thing is when he was dropped towards the end of last season for the Becchio/Gradel parterhip they both scored about 8 goals between them in 4 games and the team ethic picked up.
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So, what you are saying is lose the ego, gain the team?
Seems a decent mantra to have.
Does Hooper have his feet on the ground or dollar signs in his eyes, though? Maybe he knew he was playing his socks off for a big move and an equally big paypacket.
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Well no not really. He hasn't just done it this season, he scored 30 goals in lg1 the season before.
What player isn't going to work his socks off for a bigger move and more money?
So far in his career he has proved himself,unlike say Billy Paynter who only did it last season and previous to that didn't have a great goal per game ratio. We didn't really take a gamble on Paynter though cos to snap up someone who has just scored 29 goals on a free after losing Beckford on a free he could be a great squad player.If not then it was at least worth the free signing.
Going back to Hooper. He is proving himself capable scoring at this level and would be the ideal replacement.
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To be fair, my Gran could get 30 in L1. And she's dead.
:pinch:
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Says a lot for the strikers you had in Lg1 then doesn't it. :P
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blakey wrote:
Says a lot for the strikers you had in Lg1 then doesn't it. :P
Let's be fair they were good enough at Wembley ;) Oh and Rob would get less than his Gran B)
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RobTheRover wrote:
To be fair, my Gran could get 30 in L1. And she's dead.
:pinch:
Is Beckford dead then?
And I did n`t know he was your Gran :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Obviously the Wembley thing is still a massive achievement in your history even after two years. ;) Pretty irrelevant to me now cos it seems a long time ago. :P
Thanks to you keeping us down we wouldn't have spent another season in league one,probably never have met and beat Man Utd at Old Trafford and caused the biggest upset of the FA Cup,plus we got out of the league automatically not thru the lottery.
To be fair your win at Wembley now holds a few blessings.
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So you are telling me you are glad you lost?
Alright then....
These Leeds fans are funny aren't they?!
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ur talking poo poo lil weed fan.
:laugh:
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My thoughts exactly, just as well they were relegated from the Prem in the first place, or else that biggest upset in the cup would have been just another game too!
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blakey wrote:
Obviously the Wembley thing is still a massive achievement in your history even after two years. ;) Pretty irrelevant to me now cos it seems a long time ago. :P
Thanks to you keeping us down we wouldn't have spent another season in league one,probably never have met and beat Man Utd at Old Trafford and caused the biggest upset of the FA Cup,plus we got out of the league automatically not thru the lottery.
To be fair your win at Wembley now holds a few blessings.
It happened! were you ever Champions of Europe?
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Im not saying I glad we lost but we had a good season financially last season which could have been different had we been promoted.
Anyway like I said it's not an issue now although I understand why it's one memory you want to keep cos it was a massive achievement for you to beat Leeds United at Wembley.
Thing is now, we are both on level terms,only difference is we have more money than we had a year ago. We have made 5 signings already this summer and there is more to come.
Well done for beating us at Wembley!! :laugh:
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RobTheRover wrote:
To be fair, my Gran could get 30 in L1. And she's dead.
:pinch:
Which reminds me of a true story.
First game of last season, Scunthorpe Utd away, some Leeds player (possibly Beckford)blasts the ball over from six yards out.
Fella \"stood\" near me shouts \"Bloody 'Ell, arr lass could have put that one away....(pause)....if she wasn't dead\"
I do know the fella, from Donny, and his wife had died a couple of years previously.
One of those situations where you strangle the laugh in yer throat.
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So you're saying your victory over Man Utd is the biggest upset in the history of the FA Cup? Oh my aching sides!
Face it sunshine, in terms of football, you are inferior to the little pub team down the road.
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Remind me where I wrote 'history of the FA Cup'??
And how are we inferior? I remember seeing us both on the same league table?
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blakey wrote:
Remind me where I wrote 'history of the FA Cup'??
And how are we inferior? I remember seeing us both on the same league table?
Can we have our euphoric forum back please?
Ta.
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I honestly try and keep away from all this Leeds crap. I mean, they keep telling us they're not our rivals, so why they spend so much time on this board beggars me...?
But I will take Blakey up on one point:
\"...it was a massive achievement for you to beat Leeds United at Wembley.\"
Let's get something straight. It wasn't a massive achievement to beat Leeds - the three matches against Leeds that season showed emphatically we were the better footballing side by some distance.
It didn't actually matter who we beat so long as we won the match and gained promotion. The achievement was in playing at Wembley for the first time in our history and not bottling it as some frequently seem to do on the big stage.
\"Thing is now, we are both on level terms\"
And can we get another thing straight, we are not on level terms. Leeds squandered millions, welched on their debts and are now buying a new squad so they can live the Championship dream. We have to live within our budgets. The financial constraints on us are considerable which is why Sharp is such a stellar signing. It's a one-off, not something we'll be doing again in a hurry.
You attract far bigger crowds and will continue to do so. Your income and turnover is far greater than ours. So how on earth are we on level terms?
The only irony is that you actually think you've caught us up! We were never ahead. We are simply a well-managed small town club that is prospering against all the odds.
Leeds buying 5 players already and still searching for more smacks of desperation. It's a declaration that the existing squad is weak, for all the trumped-up reputations. They scraped out of Div 3 by their fingernails on the final day of the season. You know it, we know it, everyone in the Championship knows it. What players you had did not pose a threat to anyone at this level and you would have struggled in a difficult league.
The players you have bought so far are not the difference between a mid table finish and romping to promotion. They're survival players and you know it.
If Leeds have a poor start they'll be throwing money around like, well, like Leeds United, come Christmas. If Donny have a poor start we'll not panic. We'll simply play our way through the problem using the same effective structures that have served us well in the past two seasons.
The team that gained promotion for Leeds was not really any better than the one we beat at Wembley, especially now you've lost your darling goal scorer. By contrast the team we have today would probably beat the team we fielded at Wembley in 7 games out of ten.
I'm sorry if it sounds to a Leeds fan that I'm trying to put you down but there is no point in arguing with what is plainly obvious. Leeds, to their credit, clung on and scraped promotion. They have not developed in the past three seasons, they've just got richer, that's all, or they would have sailed up as champions last year.
Donny have matured. They've developed existing talent and brought in new, better players. They may be unsung but not one of last season's Championship sides will say that they had an easy time against the Rovers. Our club structures have been established and cemented into the system.
Look, you've no debt, sold players for millions, have fantastic income streams, yet you make a song and dance about players expecting higher wages to play for you, that clubs inflate transfer fees whenever you come knocking. I'm sorry, but who exactly do you think you are?
Why you couldn't buy Billy or afford £2m for Hooper is beyond me. Sounds to me like Leeds are a cheapskate outfit who haven't worked out the real costs of promotion to the fourth largest league in Europe. Unfortunately their fans think that just because Billy Bremner played for them 40 years ago it entitles them to be respected.
Respect is earned, not demanded. Ask any group of fans in the Championship if they respect what Donny have done and how they play and how their fans conduct themselves. Then ask them what they think of Leeds. You ain't the biggest club in the Championship and you ain't won anything like the same number of IMPORTANT trophies that say Forest and Derby have - Champions of Europe - you're having a laugh!
Be honest, what exactly have you won in the last 30 years?
Some Leeds fans are thoughtful and intelligent. They contribute sensibly to threads on multiple boards. Some are just plain stupid and I speak for most when I say that I wish they'd just stay away. Go play on your own boards, sonny, they're much busier and someone might actually care what you say.
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i've always thought that colchester united beating some big team was the biggest upset in the fa cup.
am i wrong
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adge wrote:
i've always thought that colchester united beating some big team was the biggest upset in the fa cup.
am i wrong
Can't remember who they beat though or the score (4-1?) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Donnybob wrote:
Some Leeds fans are thoughtful and intelligent. They contribute sensibly to threads on multiple boards. Some are just plain stupid and I speak for most when I say that I wish they'd just stay away. Go play on your own boards, sonny, they're much busier and someone might actually care what you say.
Donnybob - I normally agree with all your posts but I think you have picked the wrong target here - I am very happy to read Blakey's pretty sensible posts even if not in Wellington Vaults's class (sorry if that sounds condescending) and he is brave enough to come on here when we are all cock-a-hoop
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\"You ain't the biggest club in the Championship and you ain't won anything like the same number of IMPORTANT trophies that say Forest and Derby have - Champions of Europe - you're having a laugh!
Be honest, what exactly have you won in the last 30 years?\"
Urmm, the Championship of the then First Division if you don't mind, in 1991/1992!
As opposed to Forest, who haven't won owt since 1980 and Derby, who haven't won owt of note since 1975.
I'm quite upset that I even have to argue our case wrt to the Me Ducks Duo from the East Midlands.
Regards,
The Oh So Classy Wellington Vaults...I may even issue a limited edition tee-shirt. Please forward your Postal Orders.
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Crikey, is it really twenty years ago since that fateful day when the Leeds team all sat round in Chapman's house waiting to see if your rivals failed to win and give you the trophy? Near enough, I guess.
Twenty barren years. Two generations. No wonder they got all excited about beating Bristol Rovers!
Bit harsh on the 'mi ducks' to complain they're harping on about winning the ultimate club honour just a little earlier. Mind you, they had to win the league to compete for their European Championships, not finish fourth.
Hang on a minute, they actually won it, didn't they?
And so, it's ten years longer since Forest won the top division, but they could be competing for it again next year. It may well be another ten years before Leeds return. One never knows, eh?
We shouldn't forget, either, that Leeds' glory days were in the 1960s and 70's, too. One title since then isn't an awful lot to get carried away about, is it?
Honestly guys, if we aren't your rivals why is it so important to catch us up? Surely that Wembley defeat isn't still smarting? Look, we're a pub team, you're ephemeral giants. We have no right to be in the same division as you, I know, but football's a funny old game. Perhaps you should treat us as rivals. It would show respect and we could then give respect in return but whilst ever your fans continue to treat us like something you trod in, something that's not worthy, then we'll gain great pleasure from your every stumble.
I'll skip the t-shirt if you don't mind.
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Donnybob wrote:
Twenty barren years. Two generations.
:blink: Give my regards to your great grandmother, who I presume has just turned 30! ;)
Donnybob wrote:
Perhaps you should treat us as rivals. It would show respect and we could then give respect in return but whilst ever your fans continue to treat us like something you trod in, something that's not worthy, then we'll gain great pleasure from your every stumble.
Fully agree with that, thats why the two teams I like to see lose (after whoever we are playing, obviously), are Leeds and Forest.
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If Leeds don't have a blistering start - they will be calling for Grayson to go after 10 games.... you watch.
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Got to say, fellas, Our new mates Blakey and the other fella (no , not Welligogs) seem OK lads. Not all Leeds fans are baby-eating pensioner-beaters, you know.
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cheers rob,you wont get no grief from me,just like to offer my opinion on leeds subjects and have abit of banter,a few on here know me from the footymad network
donnybob,ive the greatest of respect for what you have done and where you have got to and have no quarms in admiting it,rivals we are for me because we are in the same league,fighting for the same points,players and goals i think your aiming your feelings at the wrong leeds fans bob :( best of luck for the season folks
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Bloody Hell Donnybob, that’s a heck of a diatribe in response to my humble correction of what would appear to be a simple, but excusable, given your obviously hormonal crisis, error on your part. Or do you originate from Huddersfield? Such vitriol is more commonly associated with the stout yeomanry of that fair borough.
You asked what we had won in the last thirty years…I told you. A title secured in the usual manner of obtaining more points over the course of a season than the opposition, not as a result of some conspiracy masterminded from Lee Chapman’s living room. And where did I “complain” about Forest or Derby winning anything?
And that win may be twenty years ago, but still cherished all the same. After all, there are only four or five clubs likely to scramble to the top of the pile in the near future, and there's no chance whatsoever of us ever repeating it.
However, I concede that you are blessed with a more elevated level of insight into sporting matters than I, so I shall retire to my Drawing Room in the West Wing, pour myself a Napoleon Brandy, prime my cherished clay pipe and consult a well thumbed copy of ?ukasiewicz’s “Aristotle's syllogistic from the standpoint of modern formal logic”* (second edition I may add.) to fathom out what the f*** you are on about. It could be a long night.
Alternatively, I may just kick the living daylights out of my favourite bin.
Pip Pip
*And I’ll wager that BillStubbsTears has already read it.
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fcuk me wellington that last paragraph gave us headache
how long have i known yer?talk about never judging a book by its cover
i mean i never seen yer drink a brandy
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Donnybob wrote:
I honestly try and keep away from all this Leeds crap. I mean, they keep telling us they're not our rivals, so why they spend so much time on this board beggars me...?
But I will take Blakey up on one point:
\"...it was a massive achievement for you to beat Leeds United at Wembley.\"
Let's get something straight. It wasn't a massive achievement to beat Leeds - the three matches against Leeds that season showed emphatically we were the better footballing side by some distance.
It didn't actually matter who we beat so long as we won the match and gained promotion. The achievement was in playing at Wembley for the first time in our history and not bottling it as some frequently seem to do on the big stage.
\"Thing is now, we are both on level terms\"
And can we get another thing straight, we are not on level terms. Leeds squandered millions, welched on their debts and are now buying a new squad so they can live the Championship dream. We have to live within our budgets. The financial constraints on us are considerable which is why Sharp is such a stellar signing. It's a one-off, not something we'll be doing again in a hurry.
You attract far bigger crowds and will continue to do so. Your income and turnover is far greater than ours. So how on earth are we on level terms?
The only irony is that you actually think you've caught us up! We were never ahead. We are simply a well-managed small town club that is prospering against all the odds.
Leeds buying 5 players already and still searching for more smacks of desperation. It's a declaration that the existing squad is weak, for all the trumped-up reputations. They scraped out of Div 3 by their fingernails on the final day of the season. You know it, we know it, everyone in the Championship knows it. What players you had did not pose a threat to anyone at this level and you would have struggled in a difficult league.
The players you have bought so far are not the difference between a mid table finish and romping to promotion. They're survival players and you know it.
If Leeds have a poor start they'll be throwing money around like, well, like Leeds United, come Christmas. If Donny have a poor start we'll not panic. We'll simply play our way through the problem using the same effective structures that have served us well in the past two seasons.
The team that gained promotion for Leeds was not really any better than the one we beat at Wembley, especially now you've lost your darling goal scorer. By contrast the team we have today would probably beat the team we fielded at Wembley in 7 games out of ten.
I'm sorry if it sounds to a Leeds fan that I'm trying to put you down but there is no point in arguing with what is plainly obvious. Leeds, to their credit, clung on and scraped promotion. They have not developed in the past three seasons, they've just got richer, that's all, or they would have sailed up as champions last year.
Donny have matured. They've developed existing talent and brought in new, better players. They may be unsung but not one of last season's Championship sides will say that they had an easy time against the Rovers. Our club structures have been established and cemented into the system.
Look, you've no debt, sold players for millions, have fantastic income streams, yet you make a song and dance about players expecting higher wages to play for you, that clubs inflate transfer fees whenever you come knocking. I'm sorry, but who exactly do you think you are?
Why you couldn't buy Billy or afford £2m for Hooper is beyond me. Sounds to me like Leeds are a cheapskate outfit who haven't worked out the real costs of promotion to the fourth largest league in Europe. Unfortunately their fans think that just because Billy Bremner played for them 40 years ago it entitles them to be respected.
Respect is earned, not demanded. Ask any group of fans in the Championship if they respect what Donny have done and how they play and how their fans conduct themselves. Then ask them what they think of Leeds. You ain't the biggest club in the Championship and you ain't won anything like the same number of IMPORTANT trophies that say Forest and Derby have - Champions of Europe - you're having a laugh!
Be honest, what exactly have you won in the last 30 years?
Some Leeds fans are thoughtful and intelligent. They contribute sensibly to threads on multiple boards. Some are just plain stupid and I speak for most when I say that I wish they'd just stay away. Go play on your own boards, sonny, they're much busier and someone might actually care what you say.
Firstly when have I come on here to gloat about anything.I have not said once that we are the biggest club in the championship,Leeds have fallen on bad times and it is the 'genuine' fans that have paid for it. I did enjoy reading your post but you can't tie us all with the same brush. I know what some Leeds fans are,and they think they are better than anyone else, but that is just a proportion of them. I'am the first to admit Doncaster's achievements considering you played non league football a few years ago and you remain one of the quiet teams in the championship that was destined to do down but stuck by your guns and managed to estabish themselves. For that any team deserves full credit.
Leeds have had a massive turnover but still remain cautious. The signings we have made are by no means promotion stars but enough to hopefully estabish ourselves for the first year back in the second tier. I also agree that we haven't won anything in 30 years,well, except for the premier league title but that's it.
The thing is I agree in one aspect that we have to be careful and we do not throw money around. In the Ridsdale era that's all we ever did and look where it got us. For all Bates is he was the only one that saved us from going under which is what would have happened. Any decent enough fan from any club would'nt have wanted to see that happen to any club,even Leeds because again,it's the genuine fans that suffer.
In regards to Hooper/Sharp. You don't know what signings we are going to make.You cannot make assumpions in the middle of the transfer window. Grayson today said he has been working from the back,ie we have signed a goalkeeper and defenders. There is still another striker to come and reading between the lines 2 midfielders. The team we will have come August will be a decent enough championship team,again maybe not promotion contenders but decent enough
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However, I concede that you are blessed with a more elevated level of insight into sporting matters than I, so I shall retire to my Drawing Room in the West Wing, pour myself a Napoleon Brandy, prime my cherished clay pipe and consult a well thumbed copy of ?ukasiewicz’s “Aristotle's syllogistic from the standpoint of modern formal logic”* (second edition I may add.) to fathom out what the f*** you are on about. It could be a long night.
Alternatively, I may just kick the living daylights out of my favourite bin.
OR, get yersen down t'Asda and buy thisen a box of tissues, like the rest of us here at Donny!
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As I've said more than once on here, I'm bloody well chuffed that people like Blakey and Welligogs of course, take the trouble to post. Football fora, by their very nature, are tribal and closed societies. It's inevitable therefore that those in that society end up with unsound assessments and appraisals of their position in the world. Groupthink if you know the term. Anyone who comes on here to offer an intelligent counter to that is worth his weight in gold - to all of us.
In this particular case, historically, Leeds have almost never been 'rivals' of DRFC. They've simply been way too good for that. Instead, they helped out the Rovers on many an occasion. Recently, we've had an upturn and they've had a downturn - so we are rivals at the moment. But that won't last. When SOD goes, it's very long odds indeed that the Rovers will start to slide. When Grayson goes, Leeds will simply carry on. They'll end up back in the Premiership and they'll have a chance of staying there. If we ended up there by some accident, not only would we come sraight back down again, but we could lose the club just like Hull and Pompey seem to be doing. It might not turn out that way, but that's what the evidence suggests.
So be happy for Leeds. They've learned a few things this last few years. Like us, some of their supporters are cretins. But like us, some of them are not. I want to beat Leeds again, but I'm not idiotic enough to think Rovers are in any lasting way superior to Leeds. We are not.
BobG
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Dont say you are still leaking with all this excitement, Alan! Jeez!
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Thanks Bob.
Leeds have ended up where they were because of the shoddy goings on behind scenes. I envy you in a way because you are a well organised football club and done things the way a proper football club should be run. No one has no given right to be in the premiership. You mean business by the likes of Sharp who clearly picked you over us. He knows the other players and the backroom staff which is a bonus to him.He obviously feels comfortable going back to a club that he knows.
Im not arse licking in anyway but I fully do respect where you came from and where you are now.You play good football and you have a good manager and to break the bank like you did in signing Sharp I guess it's like us going for a £10m striker which we know that ain't ever gonna happen. Again that comes down to being a lot caucious nowadays and rightly so. To be fair though we could have made money on Beckford and it was a calculated gamble to turn down the £2m offer just for the sake of a few games even though it did really boil down to the winning goal on the last day.
I guess most of us thought Bates would have sold but he backed Grayson on that one.
This is gonna be a good season.Some tasty local fixtures and a bit of banter in the process.!!
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And you will always be welcome on here for the banter, Blakey.
Just dont tell some of the knobs on WACCOE! ;-)
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I'm currently working in an area called in Altham in the North-West, it's basically in Burnley.
On my trip across the M62 West this morning I acquired the Doncaster Free Press, and I have ensured that as I sit at my desk, the back page (showing a lovely photo of a Mr. Sharp beneath a large font of a headline) is appropriately positioned so it is on full display to the 3 or 4 Burnley fans that are working around me.
It feels so good to gloat! Better than avoiding folk following our position 10yrs ago.
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At least you lot are leaving the Wednesday fans alone.....oh, oh........ :laugh:
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Truth be told, I don't see Blakey as a typical Leeds fan. Now I know the average Leeds fan and there is so much arrogance and ignorance that it's a wonder they learnt to understand what a league table is and means...
However if intelligent Leeds fans want to post on this board, I welcome them, at least they arent the usual dross we'd normally get from that lot and its usually worth the banter. Better then the typical 'Champions of Europe' and 'Greatest team' crap i get my way because i'm one Doncaster fan in a town full of them.
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blakey wrote:
Leeds have had a massive turnover but still remain cautious. The signings we have made are by no means promotion stars but enough to hopefully estabish ourselves for the first year back in the second tier. I also agree that we haven't won anything in 30 years,well, except for the premier league title but that's it.
Remind me when you won the Premier League? Is another bizarrely named forum about to spring up?
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The L J Monk wrote:
blakey wrote:
Leeds have had a massive turnover but still remain cautious. The signings we have made are by no means promotion stars but enough to hopefully estabish ourselves for the first year back in the second tier. I also agree that we haven't won anything in 30 years,well, except for the premier league title but that's it.
Remind me when you won the Premier League? Is another bizarrely named forum about to spring up?
A quick peak at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League):
\"A total of 44 clubs have competed in the Premier League, but only four have won the title: Arsenal (3 titles), Blackburn Rovers (1), Chelsea (3), and Manchester United (11 trophies).\"
:silly: