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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: godlike1 on July 14, 2010, 08:58:33 am
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Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
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godlike1 wrote:
I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
Yes you are quite right. We ought to move to Milton Keynes or somewhere similar, I bet their fans would deserve a club of Rovers' stature, recession or not.
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I like alot are out of work, and would love a season ticket, but the club offer no reduction on the price.... WHY!!!!!
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godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
So if we get 6k season tickets and 6k pay on the day, will you still be pissed off?
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Nudga wrote:
godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
So if we get 6k season tickets and 6k pay on the day, will you still be pissed off?
Dont know if the TO could cope with 6k paying on the day:) What about a section set aside inside the KM for pay on the dayers :blink: (can of worms? :unsure: )
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godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
you want to pay for mine like? would you also like to tell my boss i need all rovers games off?
thought not. pack your bags and f**k off.
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godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
Taking this on a tanget slightly, is 300k an accurate figure to use for the size of Doncaster when discussing football attendance potential? I also quote the 300k figure, but when you think about it its a huge borough and given the close proximity of other clubs in the region are we being over optimistic.
There are places in south west \"Doncaster\" closer to Rotherham/Sheffield. There are places in north west \"Doncaster\" that are virtually midpoint between ourselves and Leeds.
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belton rover wrote:
godlike1 wrote:
I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
Yes you are quite right. We ought to move to Milton Keynes or somewhere similar, I bet their fans would deserve a club of Rovers' stature, recession or not.
or Leeds they deserve a decent team we could call them leedsreds !!!
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I'll go back to the marketing. Again and again.
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Kin 'ell....... let us all know how it went when they pull that pineapple out your arse
Adam wrote:
godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
you want to pay for mine like? would you also like to tell my boss i need all rovers games off?
thought not. pack your bags and fcuk off.
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MrFrost wrote:
I'll go back to the marketing. Again and again.
Marketing would assume that we have more than one person in that particular department.
John Ryan knows more than anybody in his line of work, that 90% of sales is at face value. Image is eveything. I have NEVER seen one billboard in Doncaster advertising Doncaster Rovers, if you don't read the back page of the free press you might as well be living on the Galapagos islands for all the info your likely to get.
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godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
Well thought out comment mate! But please look at all facts before spouting such utter sh1te!
The club as a whole missed 1 if not 2 gererations of supporters throughtout the 80's and 90's when it was mismanaged and it was easier for them to support weds, blades, leeds, man u, liverpool etc. Those fans are lost, gone, write them off. Look at the season tickets sales and average attendences from the when the club finally had some direction and some leadership and management. We have seen bigger increases than many many clubs, who are seeing declines. In all honesty the club has grown so quickly, it is moving too fast for the new generation of fans to appear. I take great pride in the amount of 'younger' fans who support the club, who in turn introduce there families as they get older.
Also, its ok branding about this 300k population figure, but how many are into sport to start with. Then how many of of this figure love football? Then, out of this figure, how many are armchair Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans? Then, out of the guenuine football lovers, how many have the club lost due to fiasco of the 90's? How many of these left are in a financially secure position to put football before other costs and priorities in life? I think u have your answer of 5424!
I think this discussion has been done to death on here. You are clearly in a better position in life them me at this perticular time, so contratulations, but if anyone came up to me in the street and said that i dont deserve my club, after going through all the crap times, I would suggest u tell me from a distance my friend!
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no eyed deer wrote:
I like alot are out of work, and would love a season ticket, but the club offer no reduction on the price.... WHY!!!!!
HERE HERE! And while where at it I'd like a 60\" TV but can't afford it, why wont Dixons offer me a price reduction?
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godlike1 wrote:
Is what the current sold number of season ticket stands at according to the keepmoat website. Based on that figure, the determination of JR and the board to make the club successful I would say that the town of Doncaster pop 300,000ish does not deserve a club of rovers stature recession or not.
Discuss ...........
the question has not been well posed
the rovers have just splashed out over £1m on a player and all the speculation on this board was that if the rovers showed some ambition then the sale of season tickets would be stimulated and metaphorically \"go through the roof\"
that appears not to have happened
so short of giving them away what will stir the populace out of their stupor?
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bedale rover wrote:
godlike1 wrote:
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what will stir the populace out of their stupor?
Results, we need another great cup run were we beat a premier league side on live TV.
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If we are to assume as many claimed that the non renewal fans are to pay on a week by week basis, then the well publicised membership scheme should have well over 2000 members this year. I'll wager any money that it struggles to get anywhere near half that amount, despite it being a great scheme for those who buy tickets every week.
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big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:
If we are to assume as many claimed that the non renewal fans are to pay on a week by week basis, then the well publicised membership scheme should have well over 2000 members this year. I'll wager any money that it struggles to get anywhere near half that amount, despite it being a great scheme for those who buy tickets every week.
I wonder how many pay and the day fans know it exists?
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According to the 2001 census, the urban sub-area of Doncaster had a population of 67,977. Together with Bentley and Armthorpe, it forms an urban area with a population of 127,851.
The wider Metropolitan Borough Doncaster has 286,866 folk of which you have to remember that some of the localities are as near to Scunthorpe, Rotherham and Barnsley geographically as Doncaster and that is to ignore generations of families who were drawn to watch Leeds and the two Sheffield clubs for decades when they were in the top English division.
It is also to ignore the infleunce of TV soccer and the global branding of Chelsea, Man U, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. Not to mention rugby and, yes, fishing even. Over 1 million people buy fishing licenses, the highest concentration in the country by postcode is South Yorkshire.
Only a small percentage of the attendance is female.
But if we drill deeper into the 286,000 figure (inflated to 300,000 presumably to strengthen a weak argument)
More than 55,000 were under 14 and more than 32,000 were over 70. The attendances in these age groups is traditionally low.
The fan base at Doncaster has increased almost fourfold in a decade. What is more important to the club is that this is sustanable. So often in the pat we've seen raised expectations, a bit of success and then a crash.
We are a similar sized town to Preston, Plymouth, Burnley and Barnsley, drawing simiilar sized crowds. They have seen better management in the past, enjoying a higher level of achievement that goes with it and as a result better crowds. It stands to reason we will take a while to catch up but the stride we have made are astonishing.
Dare say it? Another whinging Donny fan! I'm dreading us hitting a sticky patch.
Is this man/boy typical of Doncaster supporters or is it just an Internet thing...? Discuss.
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I saw something on Sky Sports news last week, a club ( which one escapes me at the moment ), urban popultion GREATER than Doncaster MB,by a decent margin ( say 400K ) had sold about same season tickets as DRFC. All i can remember( as i only fleetingly saw item) was it was a decent club ( historically speaking ). Someone like Swansea or that size club. So, maybe all Small to middle size clubs are being affected similarly.
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Donnybob wrote:
According to the 2001 census, the urban sub-area of Doncaster had a population of 67,977. Together with Bentley and Armthorpe, it forms an urban area with a population of 127,851.
The wider Metropolitan Borough Doncaster has 286,866 folk of which you have to remember that some of the localities are as near to Scunthorpe, Rotherham and Barnsley geographically as Doncaster and that is to ignore generations of families who were drawn to watch Leeds and the two Sheffield clubs for decades when they were in the top English division.
It is also to ignore the infleunce of TV soccer and the global branding of Chelsea, Man U, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. Not to mention rugby and, yes, fishing even. Over 1 million people buy fishing licenses, the highest concentration in the country by postcode is South Yorkshire.
Only a small percentage of the attendance is female.
But if we drill deeper into the 286,000 figure (inflated to 300,000 presumably to strengthen a weak argument)
More than 55,000 were under 14 and more than 32,000 were over 70. The attendances in these age groups is traditionally low.
The fan base at Doncaster has increased almost fourfold in a decade. What is more important to the club is that this is sustanable. So often in the pat we've seen raised expectations, a bit of success and then a crash.
We are a similar sized town to Preston, Plymouth, Burnley and Barnsley, drawing simiilar sized crowds. They have seen better management in the past, enjoying a higher level of achievement that goes with it and as a result better crowds. It stands to reason we will take a while to catch up but the stride we have made are astonishing.
Dare say it? Another whinging Donny fan! I'm dreading us hitting a sticky patch.
Is this man/boy typical of Doncaster supporters or is it just an Internet thing...? Discuss.
Thanks bob, that sort of adds to my point with the addition of figures to back it up!!
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Better to judge by average home gates than by Season ticket sales . Season tickets are for the initiated but the vast majority of the Doncaster public probably wouldn't know about Season tickets . They are only advertised on the DRFC official website and only on sale at the ground .
If they were advertised and sold at bank counters and post offices as indeed match tickets should be ,se would increase awareness considerably.
All this ticketing issue needs a dynamic young Marketing minded person to be given responsiblity and an advertising budget .Set a target ... resource the job , set out action plans and watch it happen. But to remain passive as if the whole of Donny was to blame for indifference to Rovers is ... well... head in the sand stuff.
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Christ on a bike
Its TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO expensive
Half of Donny live in shitholes like Stainy, Intake, Huyde Park, Balby, Bentley.
If you dont believe me drive around. The place is full of cheap housing and council estates who don't give a flying about football at £25 a go. They d rather spend it in the pub or on fags.
You can go on all you want about Championship football, the best ever Rovers team.
Its too expensive. Rocket science it aint
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All this ticketing issue needs a dynamic young Marketing minded person to be given responsiblity and an advertising budget .Set a target ... resource the job , set out action plans and watch it happen. But to remain passive as if the whole of Donny was to blame for indifference to Rovers is ... well... head in the sand stuff.
Too right. Prevention is better than cure. Had the club used the resources available to it. i.e. The supporters club and actually consulted about a pricing structure we would not have lost 2000 plus ST holders in two seasons - FACT !
With the economy, it may have been a case of damage limitation but I'm sure more could have been done to retain ST holders rather than lose them and then have to back track to get them back.
The poll we ran wasn't for fun. It was there to be used as a guide to what people were doing when it comes to buying a ST.
In terms of how many will buy on the day, the guide figure is already there. There will be a small increase in the number of fans who opt to buy on the day however, this is a risky strategy as once the habit of going every week is broken, then people will find reason's not to go...weather, skint, shopping, wife pressure etc., etc.
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I-was-there1976 wrote:
Half of Donny live in shitholes like Stainy, Intake, Huyde Park, Balby, Bentley.
And you live Where? Have you been to Stainy lately? and if you have tell me where the shitholes are!
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Filo wrote:
I-was-there1976 wrote:
Half of Donny live in shitholes like Stainy, Intake, Huyde Park, Balby, Bentley.
And you live Where? Have you been to Stainy lately? and if you have tell me where the shitholes are!
I wouldn't have a shit in Stainy!!
:woohoo:
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Nudga wrote:
Filo wrote:
I-was-there1976 wrote:
Half of Donny live in shitholes like Stainy, Intake, Huyde Park, Balby, Bentley.
And you live Where? Have you been to Stainy lately? and if you have tell me where the shitholes are!
I wouldn't have a shit in Stainy!!
:woohoo:
That`s why you don`t live here, We don`t accept shit! ;)
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Why should people who are unemployed be offered cheaper season tickets? I appreciate we've been in a recession and that some people are out of work through no fault of their own. Like everyone else they cut their cloth accordingly and pursue work again.
My biggest objection is those that sit on their arse all day, scrounge the benefits and intend to do bugger all about getting work because it 'pays better' to stay at home. They've already sponged from my taxes for long enough and had enough perks that i've had to work damned hard to be able to earn and some i've gone without. I've had the luck and the decency to want to do something with my life without being dependent on others. Anyway the point i'm making is why should we make it easier for these people to get access to more things such as the rovers? Many people on here have saved hard to afford their season tickets - what a smack in the face to see Bob from the seat next to you waltz in having paid half as much as you cos he hasn't got a job. No thanks.
How about reduced season tickets for those that have got jobs for a change? Those that do want to work and pay their way? It sounds as daft when you say it the opposite way round as it does in the first place.
Rant over. I've got my bullet-proof vest on ready...
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Not been funny but i live in Balby and a shitole it aint not down my end anyway.
get your facts right,i bet your tossing it off abroad arnt you,flipping dhead. :angry: :angry: :angry:
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rhinoplod wrote:
Why should people who are unemployed be offered cheaper season tickets? I appreciate we've been in a recession and that some people are out of work through no fault of their own. Like everyone else they cut their cloth accordingly and pursue work again.
My biggest objection is those that sit on their arse all day, scrounge the benefits and intend to do bugger all about getting work because it 'pays better' to stay at home. They've already sponged from my taxes for long enough and had enough perks that i've had to work damned hard to be able to earn and some i've gone without. I've had the luck and the decency to want to do something with my life without being dependent on others. Anyway the point i'm making is why should we make it easier for these people to get access to more things such as the rovers? Many people on here have saved hard to afford their season tickets - what a smack in the face to see Bob from the seat next to you waltz in having paid half as much as you cos he hasn't got a job. No thanks.
How about reduced season tickets for those that have got jobs for a change? Those that do want to work and pay their way? It sounds as daft when you say it the opposite way round as it does in the first place.
Rant over. I've got my bullet-proof vest on ready...
Talk to Mr Frost mate, you`ve got alot in common
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rhinoplod wrote:
Why should people who are unemployed be offered cheaper season tickets? I appreciate we've been in a recession and that some people are out of work through no fault of their own. Like everyone else they cut their cloth accordingly and pursue work again.
My biggest objection is those that sit on their arse all day, scrounge the benefits and intend to do bugger all about getting work because it 'pays better' to stay at home. They've already sponged from my taxes for long enough and had enough perks that i've had to work damned hard to be able to earn and some i've gone without. I've had the luck and the decency to want to do something with my life without being dependent on others. Anyway the point i'm making is why should we make it easier for these people to get access to more things such as the rovers? Many people on here have saved hard to afford their season tickets - what a smack in the face to see Bob from the seat next to you waltz in having paid half as much as you cos he hasn't got a job. No thanks.
How about reduced season tickets for those that have got jobs for a change? Those that do want to work and pay their way? It sounds as daft when you say it the opposite way round as it does in the first place.
Rant over. I've got my bullet-proof vest on ready...
MR FROST SENIOR CALM DOWN!
everyone should be paying the same,no differences
I understand you point but some are struggling to FIND a job despite looking,a few will be in this situation on this board im sure.
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george-friend wrote:
Not been funny but i live in Balby and a shitole it aint not down my end anyway.
get your facts right,i bet your tossing it off abroad arnt you,flipping dhead. :angry: :angry: :angry:
I was brought up and schooled in Balby and I can honestly say that it is a shit hole in most parts. I am proud to be a Balby lad, but I couldn't wait to get out of the place.
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Why should people who are unemployed be offered cheaper season tickets?
The same reason as students and OAPs ?
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george-friend wrote:
Not been funny...
Finally, a post I can agree with.
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rhinoplod wrote:
Why should people who are unemployed be offered cheaper season tickets? I appreciate we've been in a recession and that some people are out of work through no fault of their own. Like everyone else they cut their cloth accordingly and pursue work again.
My biggest objection is those that sit on their arse all day, scrounge the benefits and intend to do bugger all about getting work because it 'pays better' to stay at home. They've already sponged from my taxes for long enough and had enough perks that i've had to work damned hard to be able to earn and some i've gone without. I've had the luck and the decency to want to do something with my life without being dependent on others. Anyway the point i'm making is why should we make it easier for these people to get access to more things such as the rovers? Many people on here have saved hard to afford their season tickets - what a smack in the face to see Bob from the seat next to you waltz in having paid half as much as you cos he hasn't got a job. No thanks.
How about reduced season tickets for those that have got jobs for a change? Those that do want to work and pay their way? It sounds as daft when you say it the opposite way round as it does in the first place.
Rant over. I've got my bullet-proof vest on ready...
You can't offer cheaper season tickets for the unemployed. You would open up a whole can of worms.
There's more of this kind of discussion in the Off Topic forum also ;)