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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dare to dream! on July 22, 2014, 06:00:54 pm
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f**king again rovers!
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You couldnt write this.
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:lol:
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Yes you could shit budget and paul goodwin says out of contract players wont play tonight
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I understand he was very disappointing in Portugal and that de Val and Middleton ran rings around him.
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Is there any truth in the Twitter stuff that a budget has not been agreed between Dickov and the board?
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Is there any truth in the Twitter stuff that a budget has not been agreed between Dickov and the board?
Andy Giddings says as of 20 mins ago the meeting was still on going.
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Cheers Donny
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Is there any truth in the Twitter stuff that a budget has not been agreed between Dickov and the board?
Andy Giddings says as of 20 mins ago the meeting was still on going.
Unless I'm missing something won't he be cutting it a bit fine to get to Grimsby?...
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The last player to blag a freebie to Portugal and sign for Barnsley ended up a pile of dog shite :-)
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Is there any truth in the Twitter stuff that a budget has not been agreed between Dickov and the board?
Andy Giddings says as of 20 mins ago the meeting was still on going.
Unless I'm missing something won't he be cutting it a bit fine to get to Grimsby?...
7pm kick off and we still haven't had any team news
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Team sheet is up on twitter.
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Team sheet is up on twitter.
Just seen, Liam Hoden tweeted. Tyson there again
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This season's gonna be depressing.
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No Richie in either eleven and he is a contract player
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A) Is Dickov really in a position to be challenging budgets and delaying things further? He should have gone last season.
B) James Bailey can go **** himself. Dingle scum. Did we give him a free trip to Portugal?
C) Surely what is happening is that JR/LT had contract offers/informal agreements lined up and now the current regime want to renegotiate them
D) I'm not knee-jerking beyond that at this point.
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Not overly fussed on Bailey.
However (and irrespective of all the drawn out arguments about why) you look at our squad tonight and there's a lot of hard work to do.
To be a couple of weeks from the season with no goalkeeper, no contract renewals, no signings and still more talk of who's leaving than who's coming in - nobody could have envisaged this in their worst nightmare!
I feel sorry for Dickov and, removing all the takeover madness from the equation, from a football club perspective it's just a hideous predicament. The club needs a boost, and fast!
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Sick of pre seasons like this until there is vast improvements I won't be spending my money at the club.
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Sick of pre seasons like this until there is vast improvements I won't be spending my money at the club.
That won't help anyone!
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Not a Dickov fan but if had gone we would not have a
Manager as well the laughing stock continues but as some have said it does matter as long we can put eleven players on the field.
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Sick of pre seasons like this until there is vast improvements I won't be spending my money at the club.
That won't help anyone!
His choice and if this farce continues there will be more doing the same.
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It could be worse: considering that JR's promises of an inflated budget were seemingly based on a fine harvest from the magic money tree, where was all this money going to come from to pay for it all?
Ideal it is not, but the situation could have been worse. Much worse.
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After pinching James Bailey from under Doncaster's nose I'm told #barnsleyfc also monitoring #drfc trialists Peter Clarke & Ben Williams
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I don't think it could be any worse.
If Wellens and Coppinger go as well, I would say we're totally and utterly Donald Ducked
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We will lose Peter Clarke and he will be a massive loss, you won't get many better centre backs for this league available on a free transfer like him. Just over 2weeks before the first game of the season and that's the f**king team we are fielding tonight in the friendly. These are the opportunities you use to build partnerships for next season and develop as a team instead at this rate we will be fielding u13's at Yeovil. Other clubs will be looking at our players and they will get some bargains.
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
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Team full of youth and rob jones always believe
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No need to panic.
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
If JR hadn't made a ridiculous bid to gain control of the club at the time he did, the budget would have been in place by now and players signed, how you can put the blame at TB's door is beyond me!
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Can we really blame Bailey for going to the Dingles - he has waited around on the off chance/promise of getting a contract. With the takeover off and still no budget agreed there must come a time when he has to look after himself and therefore someone has offered him a contract he has taken it.
COYR
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Of course it could be worse.
How about this? JR takes over and hasn't got the money or liquidity to support any of the claims he made (top-end budget, better team than last season, pushing for Prem, etc). The net result would have been that we would have lost the players anyway and gone into free fall or financial peril.
At least we're in a position where we know (based on the past actions of the board) that TB and co will do their best and ensure PD has the resources to support a half-decent team.
It ain't a brilliant situation, but I really do believe it could have been a lot worse.
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Dickov must still be in the meeting as Giddings said as he is not at the game
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
If JR hadn't made a ridiculous bid to gain control of the club at the time he did, the budget would have been in place by now and players signed, how you can put the blame at TB's door is beyond me!
I don't disagree. But the point being made was the budget bramall looks like he's setting is certainly not one good enough to challenge for promotion, so why say that it is?
If we lose copps, wellens, then that has nothing to do with the takeover, it's to do with a very poor budget
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No need to panic.
:lol:
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Dickov must still be in the meeting as Giddings said as he is not at the game
Probably resigning.
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Another anti JR post. And then some people wonder why they're accused of being anti John Ryan.
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Could well be, Donny O
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You may be right about Dickov Donny.
It wouldn't be a good time to go, but in my opinion he wouldn't be much of a loss
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
If JR hadn't made a ridiculous bid to gain control of the club at the time he did, the budget would have been in place by now and players signed, how you can put the blame at TB's door is beyond me!
I don't disagree. But the point being made was the budget bramall looks like he's setting is certainly not one good enough to challenge for promotion, so why say that it is?
If we lose copps, wellens, then that has nothing to do with the takeover, it's to do with a very poor budget
Far too simplistic. There's more than the size of the budget to consider. But when TB says he'll provide a budget big enough to stand a chance of promotion why would you assume its not?
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You may be right about Dickov Donny.
It wouldn't be a good time to go, but in my opinion he wouldn't be much of a loss
Well he would, because we aren't going to get anybody any better in at this stage in this situation are we...
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Wouldn't blame him if he left,,, many others would've walked long before now.
Farcical position he's been left in, and be careful what you wish for, cause who on earth would we get in the state were in
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You may be right about Dickov Donny.
It wouldn't be a good time to go, but in my opinion he wouldn't be much of a loss
I'd be more than happy! Got no faith in Dickov whatsoever
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As I said, bad timing. But, personally I don't rate him.
Anyway, no point in arguing about that. There's bigger issues at the moment
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The statement given by brammal last week, just looks like he was telling us what we wanted to hear.
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Rob Jones Barmy Army
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You may be right about Dickov Donny.
It wouldn't be a good time to go, but in my opinion he wouldn't be much of a loss
I'd be more than happy! Got no faith in Dickov whatsoever
Yeah, it'd be brilliant.
No players, no manager, no money, 2 weeks until start of season
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The statement given by brammal last week, just looks like he was telling us what we wanted to hear.
Not sure TB is that type of guy.
You may be right about Dickov Donny.
It wouldn't be a good time to go, but in my opinion he wouldn't be much of a loss
I'd be more than happy! Got no faith in Dickov whatsoever
Yeah, it'd be brilliant.
No players, no manager, no money, 2 weeks until start of season
I'd be more optimistic if there were no manager over PD!
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The statement given by brammal last week, just looks like he was telling us what we wanted to hear.
Not sure TB is that type of guy.
You may be right about Dickov Donny.
It wouldn't be a good time to go, but in my opinion he wouldn't be much of a loss
I'd be more than happy! Got no faith in Dickov whatsoever
Yeah, it'd be brilliant.
No players, no manager, no money, 2 weeks until start of season
I'd be more optimistic if there were no manager over PD!
Neither was I, but actions speak louder than words. And it doesn't look good
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Oops fat fingers can lock the topic.
I think we should wait and see what transpires. It is vital Dickov and the board are working together as one so that meeting must be had.
Equally we must move fast, that much is clear. But we as fans shouldn't overreact as yet that's for sure.
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
If JR hadn't made a ridiculous bid to gain control of the club at the time he did, the budget would have been in place by now and players signed, how you can put the blame at TB's door is beyond me!
I'm not blaming him for the last few weeks but he shouldn't be saying we will budget for promotion if we are just budgeting to be self sufficient.
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
If JR hadn't made a ridiculous bid to gain control of the club at the time he did, the budget would have been in place by now and players signed, how you can put the blame at TB's door is beyond me!
I'm not blaming him for the last few weeks but he shouldn't be saying we will budget for promotion if we are just budgeting to be self sufficient.
But how do you know that?
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I don't but the fact the clues are there that it's likely we can't afford Bailey, Clarke, Wellens and Coppinger, I'd say he's not planning to put much in. Do you know any different Martin?
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I'm not blaming him for the last few weeks but he shouldn't be saying we will budget for promotion if we are just budgeting to be self sufficient.
We it may be more realistic than recent claims!
This shit, paper thin squad is now 3-0 up. From Twitter,
"A thought for the evening; Rovers back four are aged 20, 18, 20 & 20. They look more accomplished than you might expect too."
Don't get me wrong, we are far from assembling a squad it this early stage since the collapse of the T/O, but it's a start.
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Bear in mind this is against a team in the Conference.
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JR was in charge for a lot of years and never had the club in financial trouble so why would he have started now? It looks like the budget will be pathetic this season. People talk about Ryan being skint, TB might as well be if he's not putting anything in. At least with the take over we had one potential super rich kid who wanted to put money into the club. Fair enough if TB just wants the club to run itself, it belongs to him, he can do has he pleases, but don't be going on about having a competitive promotion budget because unless he puts his own money in we won't.
If JR hadn't made a ridiculous bid to gain control of the club at the time he did, the budget would have been in place by now and players signed, how you can put the blame at TB's door is beyond me!
I'm not blaming him for the last few weeks but he shouldn't be saying we will budget for promotion if we are just budgeting to be self sufficient.
But how do you know that?
I think it's quite apparent that all isn't well.. Dickov not being there is alarming, as is losing a player to a rival, as is the absence of our better players who have played in all the other games.
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Rumour going round here is he's resigned?
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Rumour going round here is he's resigned?
oi! I hope so. More than likely people making shit up just because he aint at the game
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Lincoln are conference and we were the second best team there.
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I was just speculating. Hope no one's got that from my post. We're a shambles if he has.
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Or he might be finalising deals with Clarke and the others?
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Please don't anybody try to tell me that that side that's playing today is anywhere near good enough for league 1 survival. Never mind promotion
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Or he might be finalising deals with Clarke and the others?
Unlikely.
Probably safe to assume though something has happened in that meeting that wasn't expected
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He's arrived.
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Just shocking again, although not the fault of anybody currently at the club I will say. This takeover fiasco cannot be allowed to happen again, from JR or anybody else. Barnsley must save a bomb on scouting with all the players they pinch off us though.
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Paul Dickov as arrived it will be downhill from here, it's a joke!!
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lol if we lost 4 - 3 now.
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I'm at the Grimsby game and the rovers look good and solid and trying to play nice football. Yes it's against a conference club but Grimsby are a top conference side. There is not that much difference between top of conf/league2/bottom of league 1.
This first half team would hold their own in league 1 easily!
Any updates on Dickov?
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I love how a late running meeting causes so many rumours.
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I'm at the Grimsby game and the rovers look good and solid and trying to play nice football. Yes it's against a conference club but Grimsby are a top conference side. There is not that much difference between top of conf/league2/bottom of league 1.
This first half team would hold their own in league 1 easily!
Any updates on Dickov?
Dickov's just arrived according to Hoden.
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See what he say's post match
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I love how a late running meeting causes so many rumours.
Shouldn't be running a meeting at that time on a game day though.
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Just shocking again, although not the fault of anybody currently at the club I will say. This takeover fiasco cannot be allowed to happen again, from JR or anybody else. Barnsley must save a bomb on scouting with all the players they pinch off us though.
Totally agree about the fiasco, but if the owners say their aim is to get back in the Championship the budget must be of a size to accomplish their aims. We need the players we have plus others and PD must be given the funds to achieve that, let's hope we see players being signed and not going to other clubs.
It does matter if you have £20, £5m or £500m if you don't want to spend it, then it's all the same.
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So where did this rumour that he resigned come from or was it just malicious gossip?
COYR
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Usual numpty
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Yes .. malicious gossip by the twitter warrior?
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I'm not anti-JR. I just can use my eyes, ears and brain to see that he was making promises he couldn't possibly have delivered on.
You cannot just blindly follow or believe in someone just because... That way lies madness. And it's even madder to compare the budget PD will have against the mystical 'money from nowhere' budget JR claimed to have lined up.
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Some of the comments on this thread are comedy gold.
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Must be the usual reliable source.
TBH I'd rather see us under budget with good up and coming players, than max out from the start with players past their peak. The latter will only bring disappointment, if we fail to hit top 6 form from the off.
We have to be cute to put together a squad who can grow together and be up there challenging at the end of the season.
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I'm not anti-JR. I just can use my eyes, ears and brain to see that he was making promises he couldn't possibly have delivered on.
You cannot just blindly follow or believe in someone just because... That way lies madness. And it's even madder to compare the budget PD will have against the mystical 'money from nowhere' budget JR claimed to have lined up.
Hang on there Lipsy you are never per chance stating the saintly Ser John has been economical with the truth?
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Bramells the guy who's come put shooting from the hip, saying well have a budget to compete in top 6.... Looks like he meant ncel league from what it looks like
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Just shocking again, although not the fault of anybody currently at the club I will say. This takeover fiasco cannot be allowed to happen again, from JR or anybody else. Barnsley must save a bomb on scouting with all the players they pinch off us though.
Totally agree about the fiasco, but if the owners say their aim is to get back in the Championship the budget must be of a size to accomplish their aims. We need the players we have plus others and PD must be given the funds to achieve that, let's hope we see players being signed and not going to other clubs.
It does matter if you have £20, £5m or £500m if you don't want to spend it, then it's all the same.
I don't know what the budget is though, if TB says it's big enough then I reckon he's done enough to justify a bit of faith in him. He stepped up in January remember. JB signing for Barnsley is nowt to do with budget, more to do with being dicked around without a contract for weeks on end, because of this bullshit takeover which we now know those involved must have known wouldn't go ahead for virtually the whole time.
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This is really frustrating. I'm not calling for anyone to chuck millions at the squad, but there doesn't seem an awful lot of urgency about the situation.
The TO collapsed on Thursday(?), the squad and management got back on Friday... we're now on Tuesday and they've only just had a meeting this afternoon about budgets etc? I know TB is a busy guy but was there no contingency planning RE budgets beforehand?
I'm not asking for the earth, and I'm not expecting six signings every day, but in the frankly desperate situation we're in, it seems like we're just plodding along as if the first game is months away.
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It's not good, IMO there's something severely wrong going on, but everyone's in the dark, got a nasty feeling jr could be planning calling his debt in, if this is the case then nobody's gonna put a penny in
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I'm not anti-JR. I just can use my eyes, ears and brain to see that he was making promises he couldn't possibly have delivered on.
You cannot just blindly follow or believe in someone just because... That way lies madness. And it's even madder to compare the budget PD will have against the mystical 'money from nowhere' budget JR claimed to have lined up.
Hang on there Lipsy you are never per chance stating the saintly Ser John has been economical with the truth?
Who me?
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Let's all take a big breath and relax. We've surely had enough speculation, conspiracies and news of done deals.
Just sit back and let those who get paid for it, get on with it, and I'm sure when owt happens they'll tell us.
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True mate, just when you've forked 3 ton out for a st and get peddled with lies from the hierarchy why bother? Oh well a few cans and a letter to Baldwin might be in order lol
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AND I've just had a programme clash on my Sky box and lost a film I've been watching for nearly an hour...
... f**kING ROVERS!!!
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Lol bad init
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True mate, just when you've forked 3 ton out for a st and get peddled with lies from the hierarchy why bother? Oh well a few cans and a letter to Baldwin might be in order lol
cant things settle before people throw their toys out of the pram
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It's not good, IMO there's something severely wrong going on, but everyone's in the dark, got a nasty feeling jr could be planning calling his debt in, if this is the case then nobody's gonna put a penny in
That's plain brilliant Tash! Absolutely brilliant. If everyone is "in the dark" how can you have a "feeling that jr could be planning to call his debt in"? Presumably it's simply you making it up as it suits you? And how do you know "nobody's gonna put a penny in"? Do you really think the Board haven't thought through what they'd do in that circumstance, or ,given their motive for joining the Board in the first place that TB and DW would simply roll over and die?
Someone else is right on this board tonight. PDX.
BobG
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I'm sure i read somewhere that loans can only be called in / repaid, in a way that won't effect the stability of the club. :unsure:
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Mmmm. Picture the scene as TB cups JR's testicles and says "You feeling lucky?"
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Mmmm. Picture the scene as TB cups JR's testicles and says "You feeling lucky?"
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/oh-please.gif)
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can you blame him with the knob heads in charge of our club
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The same knobheads that have financed two promotions to the Championship?
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and the same knob heads that will take us down again with all the players refusing to play cos of the budget we are in the now not the past
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Some of the shit on here is unbelievable. We will have a budget, decent for league 1. We may lose some of the players we want to keep, as fans, and we will sign new players later than we'd like to.
We are still DRFC and we still have a team to cheer on next season.
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Mmmm. Picture the scene as TB cups JR's testicles and says "You feeling lucky?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaG5SAw1n0c
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Dont think loans can be called in during the season either
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i see the tongues are still up TB's arse
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Whereas yours is surely stuck fast in a bottle of vinegar.
BobG
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i see the tongues are still up TB's arse
Tell you what, why don't you follow Mvoto and Bailey, and ponce off to Barnsley too??
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no just stuck in reality
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and the same knob heads that will take us down again with all the players refusing to play cos of the budget we are in the now not the past
Weren't you saying this last season before we signed Sharp, Meite, Tamas and Wellens to a long term contract? Would you rather we start the season with JR and LT's playing budget which was presumably made up of Monopoly money and IOU's?
Having faith in someone who has done nothing but come through for this club time and time again - including financing the most successful period in our history - is not having your tongue up their arse, are you actually 12 years old?
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because it is my club has been for 55 years and dont want to see it run down by people that don't seem to care
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Can we stop taking everything so literally? Because someone might have a feeling that JR will call in his loans, it doesn't mean that he's a "JR plant" or that he's somehow in the know. Forums are for opinions.
Enough with the "back up your assertion!!!!!" posts!
Over the past year this forum has got scarily paranoid. I'll be very glad when the football is back!
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that is when they pulled the wool over your eyes now it is down to reality and we will see
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And it tastes kinda....like Tikka Massala with a nan on the side to mop it up.
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i will back anyone that does good for my club but the events of today leave me cold
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because it is my club has been for 55 years and dont want to see it run down by people that don't seem to care
But for many of us who believe the folks running the club do care, means we have our tongues up their arses?
If you want to engage in debate over the T/O, owners, manager etc please do so, but statements like yours turn folks off proper debate - hence my reaction.
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that is when they pulled the wool over your eyes now it is down to reality and we will see
I used to have a fair bit of respect for what you posted Vicar, and I have met you once at Cleethorpes a few seasons ago, but are you sure somebody's not pulled the wool over your eyes
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Over the past year this forum has got scarily paranoid. I'll be very glad when the football is back!
Are you talking about me?
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is that cos my view does not coincide with yours as i am allowed my opinion
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is that cos my view does not coincide with yours as i am allowed my opinion
If that ones aimed at me, yes of course you are allowed your opinion but it really does seem as if someones blinkering you
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Vicar dont mind others having opinion different from mine but just because i and many others have a different view to you say we have our tongue up TBs backside
Double standards
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no just stuck in reality
f**k me, I'd hate to be in your reality.... It's a dismal f**king place.
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Vicar dont mind others having opinion different from mine but just because i and many others have a different view to you say we have our tongue up TBs backside
Double standards
Thats because Vicar is allowed his opinion, but because yours differs from his you have your tongue up someones arse, only clergy are allowed. An opinion! :)
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so you all are happy with the events of today players refusing to play cos of the budget the same one that tb said is to get us up again
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Imagine crossing the Channel bound for the DDay beaches with some of this lot around you !
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you are all easily pleased i must say
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1DiaMBIHZY
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Actually Filo, the holding of an opinion or set of beliefs contrary to that held by the clergy is heretical. I expect at least 97.4% of members of this board to be excommunicated very shortly. Of course, when that does happen, it opens the door to all sorts of Lutheran free thinking. Imagine that vicar! Your intransigence simply reinforces belief in the validity of opinions opposed to yours.
Of course, if you could put forwards even one teeny little reasoned argument in support of your myopic fundamentalism, we might actually give it some attention.
God I hate fundamentalists. I spend a good part of every working day exposed to them. They're really, really, really not very pleasant at all. and they are utterly impervious to logic, reason, education and synthesis. Quite like you vicar.
BobG
PS And not all fundamentalists are Middle Eastern and Islamic. There are shed loads of the buggers in the United States - especially the mid west and the deep south. And they are downright dangerous. More so than the middle eastern ones in some ways because those from the oil lands are basically simple. They shoot and kill and don't listen to reason. Strong arm tactics will contain it basically. But try that on the pillocks in the USA and see what happens.... They are much, much smarter - and therefore potentially much,much more dangerous.
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Who has said players are refusing to play because of the budget maybe dickov wont play them until the contracts are signed which could be in the morning maybe the reason he left quickly tonight to meet up with a player or agent
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so you all are happy with the events of today players refusing to play cos of the budget the same one that tb said is to get us up again
Lets turn this around, are you happy with the events of the last 2 weeks that has left us in this situation, you know, the farcical takeover by people who apparently haven't got the funds to facilitate the takeover, never mind the wild boasts of having on of the biggest budgets in the league and promising players contracts that they now can not fulfill?
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Or it could simply be that some can't be insured until the decide one way or the other about exercising the opt out clause and some won't be insured because they have no contract at all.
Is Donny half populated by conspiracy theorists these days?
BobG
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Instead of having digs at each we will have to wait and see what is the next instalment at our club. We will see before Sunday, our next game if players sign or find other clubs. Whatever happens this joke of preseason continues and supporters are left wondering what will be next.
Filo any contract promise should have been done through the CEO, therefore what involvement as he had with any misinterpretation, if there was any. Do not believe JR would have been allowed to negotiate or renegotiate any contracts with out the knowledge of the CEO.
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He wouldn't have been 'allowed' Steve. But he could very easily have had private conversations with as many players as he liked. And who is to say what promises were or were not made? I'd be getting my anchor out to windward bloody carefully right now if I were JR that's for sure.
BobG
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He wouldn't have been 'allowed' Steve. But he could very easily have had private conversations with as many players as he liked. And who is to say what promises were or were not made? I'd be getting my anchor out to windward bloody carefully right now if I were JR that's for sure.
BobG
I can see what you say about private conversations but it was announced that James Coppinger had agreed a new contract which would be ratified after the takeover. The CEO must have been involved in that contract and therefore if that is one example are there others like it, that are not being ratified. If that's the case my question to the club is why negotiate contracts that could not be honoured if the takeover did not go through.
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is that cos my view does not coincide with yours as i am allowed my opinion
Is nobody allowed to disagree with yours like?
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It's to hard for some people to take in facts....3 days ago tb stated we'd have a serious budget to make us very competitive.....what utter b*llocks....targets ALL going elsewhere, and players who have left have privately said there's no money...look at the facts and get your heads out the sand!!
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It's to hard for some people to take in facts....3 days ago tb stated we'd have a serious budget to make us very competitive.....what utter b*llocks....targets ALL going elsewhere, and players who have left have privately said there's no money...look at the facts and get your heads out the sand!!
All? Prove it. Only Bailey so far...
Players saying there is no money? Prove that too, with references we can check please. How can they say that when the budget talks are reportedly not yet completed?
Will TB provide a competitive budget? Who knows, maybe he will, anyway how much £ precisely would you say is a competitive budget? Again, prove that this is "b*llocks", go on - prove it.
You challenge others to accept facts, yet what you post isn't factual.
And before you come back to me about "opinions" yes you are as entitled to that as everyone else, but when you claim facts without justification, be prepared to be challenged.
So, please answer me with your proofs.
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It's to hard for some people to take in facts....3 days ago tb stated we'd have a serious budget to make us very competitive.....what utter b*llocks....targets ALL going elsewhere, and players who have left have privately said there's no money...look at the facts and get your heads out the sand!!
Heres a fact, JR said that we'd have one of the top budgets in the league!
What happened there then?
It looks like he didn't have the funds to complete the takeover, how was he going to fund this great budget?
If any players have been led down the garden path, It certainly wasn't by the present incumbants. We are where we are because of a take over bid that was doomed to failure from the start!
So while I'm down there with my head in the sand, would you like me to dig a bit deeper to see if I can find yours?
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I think the club need to clarify the situation a little and show some action really. It's not positive at the moment.
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To my way of thinking, Bailey isn't a player we need. We have Furman, Wellens, De Val and Middleton all vying for 2 places with the possibility of Keegan. Could Bailey leaving be more to do with those above showing they are better whilst in Portugal and PD thinking the budget would be better spent on areas where we are short of players, just a thought.
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I think the club need to clarify the situation a little and show some action really. It's not positive at the moment.
I agree, and I would hope that you VSC directors are knocking on GB's door seeking that clarification, this is a complete shambles!
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When I read Paul Goodwin's Tweet regards Bailey joining Barnsley, my first reaction was: "Shit! That's one of our targets gone to our biggest rivals in the league!", but then the more I thought about it, I'd never heard of James Bailey until we had him on trial, I haven't heard any rave reviews about him in Portugal and at BPA & Lincoln (I haven't attended any pre-season games, so may be wrong) and if Barnsley want to just take him from under our noses like that and chuck money at him, then more fool them! I'm not worried that Bailey has gone Dingles, I'm more worried we haven't signed anyone with 17 days to go until Yeovil.
Regards Copps & Wellens, I just don't know what to make of the situation, but part of me just can't see Coppinger wanting to leave and at his age he may not find a better club in terms of league 1 football. To be serious contenders, we need to be signing Copps, Wellens, Clarke, Turnbull, a RB (although Quinn is back in training) and an out-an-out striker.
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Vicar, I've asked you this quite a few times in recent years and I haven't seen an answer yet; you're not really an ordained Vicar, are you?
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Don't you just love a pair of mugs...IDM and FILO... Constantly criticising others whilst only there opinion counts....they both claim to know everything what's going on so why not change there username to Baldwin 1 and Baldwin 2. Absolute pair of mugs... It's action what counts gentlemen not words, so as for Bailey, miller and greeny that's 3 for a start who we've targeted and missed! Whys that then mugs??? Tell us all!!
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Don't you just love a pair of mugs...IDM and FILO... Constantly criticising others whilst only there opinion counts....they both claim to know everything what's going on so why not change there username to Baldwin 1 and Baldwin 2. Absolute pair of mugs... It's action what counts gentlemen not words, so as for Bailey, miller and greeny that's 3 for a start who we've targeted and missed! Whys that then mugs??? Tell us all!!
Just so we a clear in what you are claiming, could you point me to where I claim to know everything?
Also, I think you'll find in this case that it's you that is criticising opinions that differ from yours!
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Don't you just love a pair of mugs...IDM and FILO... Constantly criticising others whilst only there opinion counts....they both claim to know everything what's going on so why not change there username to Baldwin 1 and Baldwin 2. Absolute pair of mugs... It's action what counts gentlemen not words, so as for Bailey, miller and greeny that's 3 for a start who we've targeted and missed! Whys that then mugs??? Tell us all!!
The irony really will be lost, won't it?
Why do we have this split? I can see why we have the split, I can put my emotions to one side and see how it has come about. I could then waste my time in explaining the situation and why we are, as Rovers fans, where we are, but some might agree and others would dismiss it because it calls into question their reasoning and judgement.
This is, in effect, what is already happening. People are looking at posts, deciding whether the post leans towards JR or TB (as some people are making it), and calling it out if they believe it to be from the opposing camp to there's.
It's just going to continue until the more mature posters realise that there will always be more than one version of history, more than one John Ryan recognised (yes you thought there was "only one John Ryan") and more than one Terry Bramall in the minds of the supporters. This will not change, we need to just move on and I hope at some point soon we will.
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so you all are happy with the events of today players refusing to play cos of the budget the same one that tb said is to get us up again
I'm not happy with how things are going up to now Vic,disappointed yet again we've lost a player,i've just got a Wait and See attitude,but if there are not enough good decisions made on players brought in,then we will be in trouble.
I Don't see us as a club that can mount a methodical run for promotion,our crowds are flakey as it is,the floating supporter would move on somewhere else
Like it or not it's not all about the season ticket holder,the floating supporter gives you that extra income that you need,the season ticket holder is your bedrock of support.
I've said many times keep making mistakes and you will get relegated,but lets remember Bramhall and Watson gave John the chance to take over the club,it didn't work out.
I Don't forget what John did for all of us regarding the club,but these are the owners,i have no preference for them or John,it's just Bramhall and Watson are the only option between the two.
We need a balance between watching the pennies and putting a good team on the pitch,they did that last season with the players brought in,i would hope they will do the same again.
Good post Sammy! We have what we have there is not a lot we can do about it only walk away from the club like a lot have done, but I can't do that. I have been with the club long before them two men came along, but I will fight my corner as long and hard as I can
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What exactly is "your corner" Vicar?
You seem to have been a life long supporter so you have seen a lot of ups and downs
It seems that you have no time for the current owners and that JR is/was the saviour. JR is gone, TB & DW are still in charge so what are you actually fighting for?
Why do you say an alternative is to walk away from the club, for what reason would you do that (if you had the heart to do it which you say you don't).
PM me if you want to explain your position without posting on the forum, I am interested.
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Don't you just love a pair of mugs...IDM and FILO... Constantly criticising others whilst only there opinion counts....they both claim to know everything what's going on so why not change there username to Baldwin 1 and Baldwin 2. Absolute pair of mugs... It's action what counts gentlemen not words, so as for Bailey, miller and greeny that's 3 for a start who we've targeted and missed! Whys that then mugs??? Tell us all!!
Where the hell do I say only my opinion counts? I welcome opinions but reserve the right to challenge others' views with relevant questions... Questions I see you haven't bothered to answer.
Where the hell do I claim to know everything? It is YOU claiming facts, not me.
Mug? Get to f**k pal....