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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on September 19, 2014, 10:03:16 am
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http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster/only-way-i-can-play-in-championship-again-is-get-rovers-up-1-6849603
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In other words, he will retire a league 1 player
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In other words, he will retire a league 1 player
that's the spirit! :scarf:
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Love how this article finishes with a few of our forumers favourite football terms...
“If we can keep everyone fit, confident and playing well, there’s no doubt we can get in and around.”
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Personally I'd like to see him being a bit more positive in front of goal, like maybe shooting every now and again
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An interesting interview which could be summarised as follows:
1. Wellens has an inflated opinion of his ability and believed he would get attractive offers from Championship clubs when we were relegated;
2. Despite this, no Championship club of any note was remotely interested in taking him, even on a free;
3. Blackpool were an exception, but they were a basket-case so Wellens realised that would be a bad move;
4. Faced with the reality that no Championship club wanted him, despite the fact that he believes he is better than many young players which Championship clubs were prepared to sign, Wellens took his bat home and lounged about on his sofa, watching telly and getting in his wife's way;
5. Having made derogatory statements about the club which was paying his wages for doing nothing, he realised Rovers were the only show in town so the Great Richie Wellens had to accept he'd have to slum it and actually play for Donny Rovers in League One. Even though none of us are worthy of his presence. We can only be humbly grateful that the Great Richie Wellens is prepared to stoop to our level.
Now maybe he can actually get his head out of his arse and start contributing, which he certainly hasn't so far.
Who was it who said: "Ringo - the best drummer in the world?! Don't make me laugh...he's not even the best drummer in the Beatles"
"Wellens - the best midfield player in League 1?! Don't make me laugh....he's not even the best midfield player in the Rovers"
Wake up Wellens, get a reality check, and start contributing to the team because we've got a battle ahead.
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Thats probably the worst post I've read this year. You obviously didn't go to any games last season.
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Well done Neil, an honest appraisal of the situation.
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While I agree with a lot you said Neil which midfielder is better than him at rovers
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Don't agree with every point Neil makes, but I do agree that there is a sense of Wellens thinking he's almost bigger than the club in some ways.
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I'm sorry to disappoint you Gazlaz and as a long-standing season-ticket holder I can assure you I went to plenty of games last season, and every season before for the last 45 years.
I'm not impressed with Wellens' attitude over the last few weeks and I think he has an inflated view of his own ability.
I thought he huffed and puffed on Tuesday night and he was certainly not the shining light in our midfield that he should be. I'd point to Coppinger as a Rovers player I admire and respect way above Wellens.
Too often for me Wellens chooses the 'theatrical' touch or pass, instead of finding his man with a simple and incisive ball, and he is much too ready to blame his team-mates when one of his mis-placed passes goes adrift.
I find him a very frustrating player to watch. I know this opinion flies in the face of the majority, but as a dedicated Rovers fan I defend my right to that opinion.
I would never voice a negative view on any Rovers player during a match; booing or loudly abusing your team is something I despise.
But I believe this forum is a place to sound off, and that's what I'm doing regarding my frustration and disappointment about Wellens.
And if my post is the worst you've read on here this year Gazlaz, I can only say you've missed a lot of absolute s**t.
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Sorry but I'm gonna stick up for Ritchie here. I have to admit that this is a rose tinted view because in 40 years of watching Rovers RW is my favouritist ever rovers player. The bestest ever.
What I would say is that, right now - and I know this - is that he needs an arm around him. The ego's taken a bit of a hit and the back's not what it was but with a bit of love and attention Ritch will be the best player in L1 by a country mile. Even at 35. Promise. Come on people we all know we've got a gem.
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Your opinion on him as a player Neil is wrong. Admittedly he's not up to speed yet, which is understandable with his lack of preparation, but last season he was our stand out player by a furlong.
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He needs the same as anyone does, "an arm around him" and the reality check of fighting for his place every training session and every minute he's on the pitch. Pedestals are for statues...
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My opinion isn't wrong Gazlaz, it's just different to yours.
I respect your opinion and I would ask that you respect mine, and my right to express it. Not that I'm particularly bothered whether you do or not.
Don't misunderstand me: Wellens is a very skilful footballer and he is capable of great vision and moments of brilliance. But he is frustratingly inconsistent and I believe there are questions over his application and attitude.
Obviously, if he didn't have those flaws then he has enough skill to have made it at the very highest level.
But he hasn't. And I sometimes get the feeling that Wellens believes he should have been a Premiership player and that he's playing beneath himself.
He started as a junior at Man Utd but he didn't make it, and I wonder if he's spent his career thinking he should have been playing at a higher level?
Anyway, that's all conjecture.
I just think he has shown himself to be a bit of a "Billy Big b*llocks" over the summer and he needs to knuckle down and get stuck into fighting the cause, because we need everyone pulling in the same direction.
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Of all the time wellens has been here I cannot understand how you can suggest he is inconsistent. He's far and away the most consistent performer I've seen in a rovers shirt.
He's played 2 or 3 games this year and he's behind the rest of the players and therefore his performances aren't where they usually are. But that can only be accepted.
People can be upset at what he said bit surely his quality shouldn't be questioned
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OK, 'inconsistent' is probably unfair and I stand corrected.
But during the course of a game I find him very frustrating because for every 'killer' pass he delivers, he makes several others which concede possession in key areas and put us on the back foot. At which point he invariably looks around for someone to blame.
And why does he never shoot?!
I'm sorry, I agree he's got a lot of ability but when you analyse his positive contribution to scoring or creating goals I think he's over-rated.
Not least by himself.
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Your opinion on him as a player Neil is wrong. Admittedly he's not up to speed yet, which is understandable with his lack of preparation, but last season he was our stand out player by a furlong.
Last season Gaz. How do you think de Val is looking?
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OK, 'inconsistent' is probably unfair and I stand corrected.
But during the course of a game I find him very frustrating because for every 'killer' pass he delivers, he makes several others which concede possession in key areas and put us on the back foot. At which point he invariably looks around for someone to blame.
And why does he never shoot?!
I'm sorry, I agree he's got a lot of ability but when you analyse his positive contribution to scoring or creating goals I think he's over-rated.
Not least by himself.
He will make 2/3 inaccurate passes before he finally gets the killer pass because he is always trying them as you say. I'm happy to accept that because at least he is taking the risk to try and find the killer pass! No one else seems capable.
I agree on the shooting, so many times last season he had the chance to shoot and he passed instead.
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An interesting interview which could be summarised as follows:
1. Wellens has an inflated opinion of his ability and believed he would get attractive offers from Championship clubs when we were relegated;
2. Despite this, no Championship club of any note was remotely interested in taking him, even on a free;
3. Blackpool were an exception, but they were a basket-case so Wellens realised that would be a bad move;
4. Faced with the reality that no Championship club wanted him, despite the fact that he believes he is better than many young players which Championship clubs were prepared to sign, Wellens took his bat home and lounged about on his sofa, watching telly and getting in his wife's way;
5. Having made derogatory statements about the club which was paying his wages for doing nothing, he realised Rovers were the only show in town so the Great Richie Wellens had to accept he'd have to slum it and actually play for Donny Rovers in League One. Even though none of us are worthy of his presence. We can only be humbly grateful that the Great Richie Wellens is prepared to stoop to our level.
Now maybe he can actually get his head out of his arse and start contributing, which he certainly hasn't so far.
Who was it who said: "Ringo - the best drummer in the world?! Don't make me laugh...he's not even the best drummer in the Beatles"
"Wellens - the best midfield player in League 1?! Don't make me laugh....he's not even the best midfield player in the Rovers"
Wake up Wellens, get a reality check, and start contributing to the team because we've got a battle ahead.
I agree with all of that
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5 goals in over 170 games.
Not great eh?
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5 goals in over 170 games.
Not great eh?
Says it all really , I wonder what his stats are for assists though.
I also agree with Neil Grainger's post.
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5 goals in over 170 games.
Not great eh?
Says it all really , I wonder what his stats are for assists though.
I also agree with Neil Grainger's post.
Says it all?? It doesn't say anything. Truly amazes me what people see when the watch a football match.
RD, as for de Val, he looks to have something. Good on the ball as you would expect, likes to try and pass it forward and not scared to get stuck in. It's hard to really judge someone on such few games but I'd definitely like to see more of him. I have a bit of a doubt about him when we are not in possession though, I think sometimes the game seems a bit quick for him and passes him by a little bit. That's something he will get uses to the more he plays in this country. Like I say it's hard to tell with what we have seen of him but I think his mobility has improved a bit this year, last season he seemed to be running in quicksand, he seems a bit more lively now. Definite work in progress.
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5 goals in over 170 games.
Not great eh?
Says it all really , I wonder what his stats are for assists though.
I also agree with Neil Grainger's post.
Says it all?? It doesn't say anything. Truly amazes me what people see when the watch a football match.
RD, as for de Val, he looks to have something. Good on the ball as you would expect, likes to try and pass it forward and not scared to get stuck in. It's hard to really judge someone on such few games but I'd definitely like to see more of him. I have a bit of a doubt about him when we are not in possession though, I think sometimes the game seems a bit quick for him and passes him by a little bit. That's something he will get uses to the more he plays in this country. Like I say it's hard to tell with what we have seen of him but I think his mobility has improved a bit this year, last season he seemed to be running in quicksand, he seems a bit more lively now. Definite work in progress.
It does say it all , the positions that Wellens carves out for himself should make him far more prolific in the teams he has played in and the players that have played with him.
He has ability, creates space but where his vision where it really matters in front of goal ?
Far too often Richie makes the wrong choice and that is what I see Gaz. He's frightened of looking stupid....great players DON'T have that fear ; if they miss they roll their sleeves up and deign to have another go and another until they score. That behaviour is called leading by example.......yes he can make the odd wonderful pass, yes he has a powerful shot, yes he has pedigree, yes he was trained in one of the best academies at that time, yes he played with some of the best English players of that or indeed any generation but 5 in 170 at this level is poor even for a midfield player.
I stand by my original comments. BTW I love watching him play when he is positive and full of running but when the blaming, negative and weak Wellens is playing it pisses me off !
What signal does this send to young(er) players striving to make their mark on the game ?
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Hi all from sunny Zante, good debate this, I agree with Neil in regard to how highly RC regards himself & his attitude off the pitch, but in my opinion as a player he has to be in the top 5 best midfielders we have ever had, & before he was injured last season he was easily our best player. Obviously wasn't at Tuesday's game so hopefully he still playing catch up, I am confident when he is up to speed he will be one of the best midfielders in this league, & for that I can put up with not being keen on him as a person.
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Some very harsh criticism of wellens on this thread imo,he has been outstanding for us yes he spat his dummy out but on the pitch he had always given 100 percent and creates far more than anyone else,the let down for him is goals which is poor but the same is said for copps as a attacking player his goals ratio is awful
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I agree too Neil/Hoola/Filo
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Some very harsh criticism of wellens on this thread imo,he has been outstanding for us yes he spat his dummy out but on the pitch he had always given 100 percent and creates far more than anyone else,the let down for him is goals which is poor but the same is said for copps as a attacking player his goals ratio is awful
I'd question the always given 100%, especially after the game last season, Birmingham I think it was when he just stepped aside to let the opposition player run past and score, never even looked to dangle a leg out, the sign of a player that didn't give a shit about the predicament we were getting into. He along with another player thought he was too good to be in League one with us, one is reluctantly still here, the other is on the dole!
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I agree too Neil/Hoola/Filo
Is this a typo Lol!
:) :) :)
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I think what happened in the games from Leeds onwards when he was injured says everything about the importance of him and how good a player he is
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So, where does this leave Keegan then? He's not good enough to lace Wellens boots
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So, where does this leave Keegan then? He's not good enough to lace Wellens boots
No one is questioning his ability, it's his attitude and application that's in question
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Filo you have said tackle against Birmingham in 1 match have you any other examples
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I agree too Neil/Hoola/Filo
Is this a typo Lol!
:) :) :)
I do agree with you sometimes..............not very often but heh lol
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Filo you have said tackle against Birmingham in 1 match have you any other examples
Actually it was n't a tackle, just a step aside, at a stage of the season where we needed 100% commitment, it's been documented since that he declared himself fit when clearly he was n't, that in it's self is a selfish act, but once you've declared yourself fit you should be prepared to put your body on the line, in that instance he clearly decided that he did n't want to do that. Like I said earlier, it's his attitude and application thats in question when the going gets tough
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Filo
It was the Reading match. It was a quite pathetic chucking in of the cards. In fairness, he wasn't fully fit and Dickov should never have even had him on the bench, never mind chucked him on when we were still on level terms.
I agree with both sides here. Wellens is a supremely talented player who can dominate matches. His display at home to QPR last year was a Masterclass. But he is hit and miss. He has often gone missing when we've needed a senior pro to grab the team by the scruff of the neck. If he can play that role this season and galvanise this squad, it'll be as big an achievement as any in his career. Because he's never yet struck me as the sort of player that you'd look to as the one you want at the side of you when you're in the shit. He might put in a sumptuous performance. He might put in an anonymous one. At senior pro level, I'm looking for solid consistency, reliability and setting standards for the kids. I'm yet to see Wellens take on that mantle.
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Filo
It was the Reading match. It was a quite pathetic chucking in of the cards. In fairness, he wasn't fully fit and Dickov should never have even had him on the bench, never mind chucked him on when we were still on level terms.
I agree with both sides here. Wellens is a supremely talented player who can dominate matches. His display at home to QPR last year was a Masterclass. But he is hit and miss. He has often gone missing when we've needed a senior pro to grab the team by the scruff of the neck. If he can play that role this season and galvanise this squad, it'll be as big an achievement as any in his career. Because he's never yet struck me as the sort of player that you'd look to as the one you want at the side of you when you're in the shit. He might put in a sumptuous performance. He might put in an anonymous one. At senior pro level, I'm looking for solid consistency, reliability and setting standards for the kids. I'm yet to see Wellens take on that mantle.
I stand corrected on the match, and as I said his abilty is not in question, as you say against QPR he was something else, Giving Barton the runaround, it's no coincidence that QPR were sniffing around him at that time, he put the extra effort in to try and get a move, that extra effort should also have been applied when the chips were down, it was n't, what does that tell you?
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Probably why he's never played at the highest level.
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One example in probably around 200 games... Ain't worth anything.
Even messi n Ronaldo make mistakes ya know. His performances last year were very good, it's ridiculous to start getting on his back after a couple of not so good performances this year. But it was always going to be the case after what he said, people who were unhappy with that were always going to be hard to please this year.
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Wellens and Coppinger were head and shoulders above the rest of the team against Crawley. It must be so frustrating for them to play out their twilight years with such inadequate team mates, especially after all the effort they put into getting us in the Championship.
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I agree in most parts with Billy but when Richie at his best which he was most times last year he makes others tick, he always as,but he is not up to speed yet. The Reading substitution was a wrong decision by PD, Richie was not fit yet he put him on in a 442 formation when we where drawing. If he wanted to add his creativity but kept the stability he should have taken off a striker left Furman on to act as a shield with Keegan leaving Richie to link up with the other attacking players.
There is no doubt for me Coppinger plays better when he has players around him who can play football. The problem going forward at the moment either for Richie, Copps and Forrester is the two strikers at present are runners their passing game is poor. Therefore link up play is not good enough.
Going back to Richie and Copps neither score enough goals at any level, to showcase their skills better.
What Richie said in the previous interview was not derogatory about the club, fans. But it did not tow the party line and a lot do not accept that, although what he said IMO was the truth about the club.
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Wellens and Coppinger were head and shoulders above the rest of the team against Crawley. It must be so frustrating for them to play out their twilight years with such inadequate team mates, especially after all the effort they put into getting us in the Championship.
Said that to my mate. Those two are the only two that link up and show any cohesion in our team (excluding Forrester). Everyone else just seems to run around doing their own thing and offering little going forward.
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Usually I'd agree but I thought Bennett was very good on Tuesday
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Agree Bennett was better.cant see what can be done with the players Dickov has at his disposal.just look at the players on the bench Tuesday night.
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I have to come back on this thread and say what a superb performance Wellens put in today.
That was RW at his best....prompting, probing, passing with accuracy, holding the ball when we needed a calm head... and his link-up play with our other 'veteran', Copps, was a delight to watch.
It's as though they have a telepathic understanding at times, and when they interchange passes in tight areas near the corner flag, running down the minutes, I find myself thinking "Just let these two have the ball for the last 10 minutes!"
What a cracking game of football that was today. Credit due to both teams, and credit due to Wellens.
Dickov obviously showed Richie my comments on here in order to motivate him..... ;)
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I think I should get the credit for yet another fabulous display from the dynamic duo. I reckon they were inspired by my post above!
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Good post Neil
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Well done Neil, an honest appraisal of the situation.
That's the spirit SM.
Pity you can't back some players in the same way you always back the board.
As you are so close to GB, TB etc can we take it that is their view as well?
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Well done Neil, an honest appraisal of the situation.
That's the spirit SM.
Pity you can't back some players in the same way you always back the board.
As you are so close to GB, TB etc can we take it that is their view as well?
It's a personal opinion Lifelong.
I happen to back most people who are employed at DRFC, it's those who are intent on doing the club harm that I reserve my contempt for.
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Wellens and Coppinger were head and shoulders above the rest of the team against Crawley. It must be so frustrating for them to play out their twilight years with such inadequate team mates, especially after all the effort they put into getting us in the Championship.
Surely if they intend to stay in the game in some capacity, particularly coaching, they would see it as a challenge to work with their team mates and help them improve?
Someone like Kyle Bennett could learn a lot from Copps. Maybe he is learning and that explains why he's been a better player this season.
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From what I've been told Kyle has been a better player this season because he has settled down, grown up a bit, and stopped knocking about with certain knobheads.
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Don't think rw is intent on causing any harm to rovers,he obviously was unhappy at certain things and maybe should not have said it in public but it's worked out alright in the end
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Wellens was always gonna get stick after he slated the club post season. Some people dont like hearing the truth about the club, and some of what he said was truth.
Wellens on his day, is absolutely class. Filo for you to take the Reading game example from the last season to back up your point is ludicrous. He was one of, if not, the best player last season. And if he hadn't had slated the club post season then i very much doubt you'd be slating his one mistake
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Wellens was always gonna get stick after he slated the club post season. Some people dont like hearing the truth about the club, and some of what he said was truth.
Wellens on his day, is absolutely class. Filo for you to take the Reading game example from the last season to back up your point is ludicrous. He was one of, if not, the best player last season. And if he hadn't had slated the club post season then i very much doubt you'd be slating his one mistake
As I've stated, I'm not questioning his ability, he played well yesterday and looks like he's getting back to his best, however his attitude toward the club close season was shite, you're correct if he had n't gone public with his selfish reasons we would n't be having this debate, but he did go public, and that makes all the difference, Richie Wellens is not bigger than DRFC
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Don't think rw is intent on causing any harm to rovers,he obviously was unhappy at certain things and maybe should not have said it in public but it's worked out alright in the end
I didn't say he did, my comment was aimed at Lifelong picking away at my comments by making inferences that don't exist. To suggest that anything I post must be the thoughts of GB and TB is quite frankly ludicrous.
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Oh right sorry
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From what I've been told Kyle has been a better player this season because he has settled down, grown up a bit, and stopped knocking about with certain knobheads.
He's playing well because his contract is up soon.