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Title: 17/18 Kit
Post by: DannyRovers on January 07, 2017, 04:44:03 pm
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/celebratory-10-year-anniversary-shirt-3505957.aspx

What's everyone's thoughts on this?

Like the idea but got an awful feeling it will look horrible.

 :scarf:
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 07, 2017, 04:56:25 pm
Think it's a great idea.

I think Copps/5-1 will take some beating. Copps represents all that's been good about DRFC over the last 10 years. That night was unforgettable and inspirational. Even ended with Rovers fans clapping the Southend fans.

How that's represented on the shirt, I don't know.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: IDM on January 07, 2017, 04:56:56 pm
Terrible idea.. just make a football kit and have done with it!!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 07, 2017, 05:01:51 pm
It really depends on a lot of things how good it could look in the end. Placement, how big it is etc. If they're imaging it badge sized it could be doable.

As this years winner, I generally think we get the kit design process the wrong way round. FBT should produce real life mock-ups (i.e physical shirts) that then get chosen/voted upon. Someone with an eye for this kind of thing should oversee the whole process (probably someone independent of the club).

You'll never please everybody with shirt design though. A success would be pleasing 50% of the people. My design got slated at first, and I myself didn't think it turned out quite how I envisaged it but it looks good on Marquis.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 07, 2017, 05:09:05 pm
I mean, this is how I always envisaged my kit being modeled.

(http://i.imgur.com/qWgisYy.jpg)
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: dknward2 on January 07, 2017, 05:15:13 pm
I think it could look great if each red hoop had a faded scene.

I.e playoff win vs Leeds on one
Jtp win cup being lifted
Copps hatrick vs Southend
Bellevue stadium from sky
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 07, 2017, 05:17:45 pm
I think it could look great if each red hoop had a faded scene.

I.e playoff win vs Leeds on one
Jtp win cup being lifted
Copps hatrick vs Southend
Bellevue stadium from sky

That could work, although I get the impression they're looking for games/moments exclusively at the Keepmoat.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 07, 2017, 05:22:29 pm
I must admit that this sounds incredibly tacky.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RedJ on January 07, 2017, 05:23:25 pm
I think it could look great if each red hoop had a faded scene.

I.e playoff win vs Leeds on one
Jtp win cup being lifted
Copps hatrick vs Southend
Bellevue stadium from sky

That could work, although I get the impression they're looking for games/moments exclusively at the Keepmoat.
It said League One championship May 2013 so perhaps not - though we won it in April on the 27th, so someone hasn't done their homework...
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 07, 2017, 05:27:09 pm
Do they mean the trophy parade?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Muttley on January 07, 2017, 05:27:48 pm
Sounds horrendous, but then I've never bought or worn a Rovers shirt so I guess my view is fairly irrelevant.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RedJ on January 07, 2017, 05:30:55 pm
Do they mean the trophy parade?

I hope not cos that couldn't be a more pointless thing to depict.



I think these were just examples of things to suggest, anyway.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: drfchound on January 07, 2017, 05:44:29 pm
Why not just save time and ask Louis Tomlinson what he thinks?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Harrogate Rover on January 07, 2017, 05:47:59 pm
.... or Granddad Len  :whistle:
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 07, 2017, 06:32:02 pm
Why do we have to have a new kit every season? I know it's a money maker and of course you don't have to buy one but it's a bit daft IMO.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: knockers on January 07, 2017, 06:56:27 pm
Does anyone really give a toss it's been ten years or ten and 2/3rds by the time the kit comes out. Let's look forwards and not back because having that we once beat sheff Utd 2-0 on a shirt is pretty lame
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: MachoMadness on January 07, 2017, 07:12:13 pm
Bit of a cheap marketing ploy and it will result in a terrible, terrible kit unless you go really abstract with it, and have something like each hoop representing a season and the promotion seasons can have gold borders around them or something. From reading that it doesn't sound like they're going to be that subtle with it.

I'll never forget Mark McCammon's first goal at the Keepmoat but I'd draw the line some way before buying a shirt with his face on or something.

If you want to turn it into an art project then make a shirt collage out of all those moments, frame it and put it in the Staff of Life or something.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: MrFrost on January 07, 2017, 07:22:21 pm
Not holding my breath with anything FBT get their hands on.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 07, 2017, 08:51:13 pm
Shite idea and so far, even worse planning. I'd feel so embarressed following a club with that b*llocks on its kit.

Are they suggesting it's just written somewhere? If so, that's such a neanderthal idea.

As said above, getting the dates wrong, even at this stage, is woeful. And the Sheffield game... wtf??! Does it come with a red nose and a balloon Donny Dog?

I think someone is getting above their abilities spurred on by a bunch of other clueless staff around the whole 10 years in the Keepmoat thing. The wall for 10 years of season tickets is a great idea, no doubt there's many other good ideas, but this bounced back out of the wastebin. PUT IT BACK!

This is a football club ffs, have some class. Please someone catch the culprit and put him/her right on the complex subject of "taste".

 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 07, 2017, 09:36:23 pm
I've thought about this. It's not the best idea is it? Also, anyone know if they still sell Old Jamaica chocolate?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: IDM on January 07, 2017, 09:37:28 pm
I just don't see how these events could be designed into a football shirt without it looking very odd..???
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: German Rover on January 07, 2017, 09:48:20 pm
If they want to do something why not something tasteful like keepmoat stadium 2007-2017 embroidered on the back of the shoulders?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Lincoln Rover on January 07, 2017, 09:48:48 pm
Why don't we wait and see what it looks like before we pre judge it?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Metalmicky on January 07, 2017, 09:52:24 pm
Why don't we wait and see what it looks like before we pre judge it?
Nope... shocking gimmick idea that won't work.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 07, 2017, 09:53:51 pm
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Mild Rover on January 07, 2017, 09:59:28 pm
Terrible, TERRIBLE idea... We should be looking forward, not back. If Rovers win the league then perhaps acknowledge that but anything else would be far too cheesy.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: MachoMadness on January 07, 2017, 10:07:51 pm
Why don't we wait and see what it looks like before we pre judge it?

You don't always need to see something to know it's a very bad idea. If you hired someone to build a house and they said they were going to build it with Jacob's Cream Crackers you wouldn't be happy, even if their response was "wait and see how it turns out".

Putting all this unnecessary shite on a shirt will only result in us being a laughing stock, potentially for years a la Arsenal's oil slick kit, or that rank Norwich one. As we already had the radio wave kit, I don't like the idea of us having TWO really rubbish kits in my lifetime.

No problem with this being commemorated, not even on some special jersey or shirt in the club shop really, but having it on the official kit smacks of a desperate PR stunt that will lumber us with a guff kit for a year, potentially with Lewis Guy's gurning smile peering out at you from behind the hoops just after scoring the equaliser against Coventry in our first Championship home game. Think about that.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: mushRTID on January 07, 2017, 10:09:45 pm
It's not something I'd normally be excited about but il wait and see the result before moaning.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 07, 2017, 10:20:41 pm
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Why?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 07, 2017, 10:52:19 pm
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Couldn't you just elaborate on what the plans for the shirt are instead of alluding to something while adding nothing more?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Jonathan on January 07, 2017, 11:02:48 pm
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Couldn't you just elaborate on what the plans for the shirt are instead of alluding to something while adding nothing more?

It seems like lots of people have already made their minds up that it's going to be shit.

It's just a shirt and an idea. There's an effort to engage the fans. I don't think it deserves this negative reaction. People can buy it or not buy it. I don't think we've ever had a fashionable shirt. It's not really the point, is it?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: rich1471 on January 07, 2017, 11:03:38 pm
Who said it has to be on red and white hoops what about a white shirt like the British heart foundation one with a black print great players past and present it would not work on hoops unless they were faded
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 07, 2017, 11:11:00 pm
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Couldn't you just elaborate on what the plans for the shirt are instead of alluding to something while adding nothing more?

It seems like lots of people have already made their minds up that it's going to be shit.

It's just a shirt and an idea. There's an effort to engage the fans. I don't think it deserves this negative reaction. People can buy it or not buy it. I don't think we've ever had a fashionable shirt. It's not really the point, is it?

I think the issue is that a lot of people cannot see how a shirt could incorporate key 'moments' in a way that isn't shit/tacky/embarrassing. People aren't just moaning for the sake of moaning.

If there is a way of incorporating such moments into a shirt without it looking poor then it would make sense to explain the method further to stop people reaching the most obvious conclusion.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Jonathan on January 07, 2017, 11:23:23 pm
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Couldn't you just elaborate on what the plans for the shirt are instead of alluding to something while adding nothing more?

It seems like lots of people have already made their minds up that it's going to be shit.

It's just a shirt and an idea. There's an effort to engage the fans. I don't think it deserves this negative reaction. People can buy it or not buy it. I don't think we've ever had a fashionable shirt. It's not really the point, is it?

I think the issue is that a lot of people cannot see how a shirt could incorporate key 'moments' in a way that isn't shit/tacky/embarrassing. People aren't just moaning for the sake of moaning.

If there is a way of incorporating such moments into a shirt without it looking poor then it would make sense to explain the method further to stop people reaching the most obvious conclusion.

Art is all about interpretation isn't it. I hope it's abstract!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: StocktonRover on January 07, 2017, 11:26:30 pm
I can't be certain, but I think millwall did something like this once.
Possibly listed all season ticket holders or something similar on the shirt. From any distance whatsoever the writing wasn't really visable but when looked at closely it could be read.

It didn't look bad at all - it was subtle...... (on reflection, if it was subtle it couldn't have been millwall?)
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Pancho Regan on January 07, 2017, 11:31:35 pm
I can't believe the torrent of negativity to this idea.
There again, maybe I can....we seem to be good at trashing some initiatives by the club before we've given them a chance.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 07, 2017, 11:37:10 pm
I can't be certain, but I think millwall did something like this once.
Possibly listed all season ticket holders or something similar on the shirt. From any distance whatsoever the writing wasn't really visable but when looked at closely it could be read.

It didn't look bad at all - it was subtle...... (on reflection, if it was subtle it couldn't have been millwall?)

Let's hope this isn't the idea! I'm not sure how a shirt with "Doncaster Rovers 5 – 1 Southend United 16/05/08", "Doncaster Rovers 2 – 0 Sheffield United 23/10/10", "League One Championship May 2013", "Billy Sharp" and "James Coppinger" written on it will look regardless of how subtle the font is.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: MrFrost on January 08, 2017, 09:02:27 am
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Couldn't you just elaborate on what the plans for the shirt are instead of alluding to something while adding nothing more?

Come on,  that's what he does best.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: 1879Rovers on January 08, 2017, 09:40:46 am
Why do we have to have a new kit every season? I know it's a money maker and of course you don't have to buy one but it's a bit daft IMO.

You answered your own question.

I agree with the OP. When I saw it on the OS, I thought this is going to look awful.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Donnywolf on January 08, 2017, 10:03:36 am
Might get a surprise with a "watermark" type configuration ? That could work. However as has been pointed out it is supposed to be memories of 10 years at KMS so a few suggestions above are "out"

My suggestions are below and some of those wont work whether watermark or not

I selected the Red and White "sea" from the first game (see photo) which I thought was a great opening gambit (There will be better photos of that)

Mark McCammons first goal

Copps Hat trick free kick v Southend

Billys "Thats for you Son" TShirt pose

DRFC montage by Black Bank



Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: roversdude on January 08, 2017, 10:24:45 am
How about a muddy scruffy side and a gleaming bright other side to depict before and after
Still miss the old place in a bizarre way
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 08, 2017, 10:26:23 am

Billys "Thats for you Son" TShirt pose

That over beating Sheff U?  :headbang: :facepalm: :suicide:

Okay, I slept on it, calmed down, and still think interpret it as a shite idea.

The complexity of having several "moments" captured as images as watermarks or whatever ain't gonna happen, so we're talking about words in blocks or maybe written between the hoops. That seems to be clear enough from the DROS item about it, or someone explain otherwise? SM? Jonathan?

I'm all for initiatives from the club. Creativity and art will initially be controversial, so any suggestions of this type need to be thought through in how they are presented.

If in any way this is being seen as an artistic/creative project then such things as the kit colours/pattern itself must surely be discussed alongside asking for fans suggestions of "moments".
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 08, 2017, 10:30:36 am
The way the club have worded this and released it leaves too much to the imagine. We really do need to know what parameters they are thinking of; are they envisaging a small bit of wording somewhere on the shirt or are they envisaging a full-blown picture of Sharp pointing to the sky? 
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 08, 2017, 10:39:48 am
The way the club have worded this and released it leaves too much to the imagine. We really do need to know what parameters they are thinking of; are they envisaging a small bit of wording somewhere on the shirt or are they envisaging a full-blown picture of Sharp pointing to the sky? 

Much as that moment is "the" Keepmoat moment for me, wouldn't having a pic of someone who'd potentially be playing against us on our shirt be weird and discount that from being an option?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Jonathan on January 08, 2017, 10:40:01 am
I can't shed any light on it. I'm just open minded before getting involved in the mass slating.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 08, 2017, 10:43:21 am
I can't shed any light on it. I'm just open minded before getting involved in the mass slating.

It's a discussion, with strong opinions. Being open minded has it's good sides, though in this case could end up letting the dachshund into the trap with not enough time to change it.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: NickDRFC on January 08, 2017, 10:45:10 am
I can't see it having images, surely it will just be words.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RoversAlias on January 08, 2017, 10:48:35 am
The wording of it all sounds to me like they already have the idea in mind and are just trying to gain some good PR by including the fans. Let's be honest, the moments that get selected are all fairly well obvious, so they have probably already come up with designs featuring them. Our fans are going to name the same moments to be put on this depiction, surely.

It might look good, and if it does then it sounds cool, but if not...oh well. It's not like we are well known for our dazzling, amazing kits that are the envy of the football world. Many clubs have naff kits, in fact it's the shit ones that everyone remembers so another shit one isn't going to do too much harm.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 08, 2017, 10:50:45 am
Something has just flashed across my mind, perhaps they are envisaging something along similar lines to what Notts County did a few years ago - where the hoops/stripes are replaced with season ticket holders names or memorable events or something similar.

(https://provenquality.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/notts_county_150th_anniversary_kit.jpg)
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 08, 2017, 10:57:45 am
 :that:

Why all the negativity? It's perfectly possible to design a good looking shirt and incorporate small detail at the same time.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 08, 2017, 11:02:46 am
I can see a lot of humble pie being eaten later this season.

Couldn't you just elaborate on what the plans for the shirt are instead of alluding to something while adding nothing more?

Come on,  that's what he does best.

You have no idea what I do best. But thanks for the personal slight Mr Frost.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Donnywolf on January 08, 2017, 11:05:55 am
:that:

Why all the negativity? It's perfectly possible to design a good looking shirt and incorporate small detail at the same time.
+1

I wont criticise without good cause.

Fine if its a dogs dinner then people will have a right to moan - but they are being consulted for a start

On the up side also surely the Club will know its "wrong" if it turns out that way ?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: roversontheup on January 08, 2017, 11:57:33 am
I really despair of the negativity amongst my fellow Rovers fans at times. It seems to me that the club...our club....are damned if they do and damned if they don't! They are actually trying to do something for the supporters and involving the supporters in the process. They want our ideas and suggestions.
I'm not saying everyone has to like the idea but it does feel as though some people's first reaction is to attack the club rather than embracing what they are trying to do.
The events on the website are just examples. It is up to us to suggest what other events or names etc need to be considered.
I for one feel really proud of the way my club is trying to involve its supporters in so many initiatives. Talk with other clubs supporters and see how many others do as much. There's still a long way to go and there is still lots to do but let's try to look at how things can be made to work rather than why they won't.
Of course this is all JMHO. Rant over!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Donnywolf on January 08, 2017, 12:45:30 pm

 :that:

Well ranted imo !!!    :aok: :clapping: :scarf:
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: IDM on January 08, 2017, 12:58:04 pm
I am not trying to be negative with my thoughts on this subject and it is great that our club involves the supporters like this.

I just think - based on the description that I read - that the concept sounds odd and I cannot picture it - I understand watermarks of course but not sure how all those ideas would fit in?

A proposed image design would help..
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: i_ateallthepies on January 08, 2017, 01:10:17 pm
Thanks roversontheup for taking the trouble to say exactly what I was about to say, only you put it much better.  FFS!  how many posts do we read on here from our own supposed supporters slagging the club off for its poor marketing and publicity work?  Then as soon as they come up with an idea people slag it off before seeing the result.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 08, 2017, 02:09:39 pm
I really despair of the negativity amongst my fellow Rovers fans at times. It seems to me that the club...our club....are damned if they do and damned if they don't! They are actually trying to do something for the supporters and involving the supporters in the process. They want our ideas and suggestions.
I'm not saying everyone has to like the idea but it does feel as though some people's first reaction is to attack the club rather than embracing what they are trying to do.
The events on the website are just examples. It is up to us to suggest what other events or names etc need to be considered.
I for one feel really proud of the way my club is trying to involve its supporters in so many initiatives. Talk with other clubs supporters and see how many others do as much. There's still a long way to go and there is still lots to do but let's try to look at how things can be made to work rather than why they won't.
Of course this is all JMHO. Rant over!

Oh, give it a rest.

This is a particularly unusual idea for a kit that will be difficult to achieve without the shirt looking tacky. There's been just one or two examples of other clubs doing something potentially similar mentioned in this thread showing that it is not something widespread across football.

I, and clearly some others, think that this is arguably impossible to pull off without the end product being a bit naff. To say so isn't personal criticism of anyone at the club and it's not moaning for the sake of moaning. People can disagree with people at the club, you know.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: MachoMadness on January 08, 2017, 04:38:36 pm
I hope we're all aware of the irony of those being so negative about their fellow fans expressing concerns and constructive criticism about a poorly-worded and vague idea from the club.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 08, 2017, 04:45:38 pm
I hope we're all aware of the irony of those being so negative about their fellow fans expressing concerns and constructive criticism about a poorly-worded and vague idea from the club.

Interestingly, people are also rushing to praise the club for giving fans a say in the design of the kit but then they moan when fans voice an opinion on the design of the kit.

"I dispair".
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 08, 2017, 04:47:49 pm
I hope we're all aware of the irony of those being so negative about their fellow fans expressing concerns and constructive criticism about a poorly-worded and vague idea from the club.

Interestingly, people are also rushing to praise the club for giving fans a say in the design of the kit but then they moan when fans voice an opinion on the design of the kit.

"I dispair".

The problem is people are expressing negativity on an idea, not on an actual design.

Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 08, 2017, 04:53:20 pm
I hope we're all aware of the irony of those being so negative about their fellow fans expressing concerns and constructive criticism about a poorly-worded and vague idea from the club.

Interestingly, people are also rushing to praise the club for giving fans a say in the design of the kit but then they moan when fans voice an opinion on the design of the kit.

"I dispair".

The problem is people are expressing negativity on an idea, not on an actual design.

Perhaps the club could clarify how this idea would be incorporated into the design of the shirt, in that case.

That said, this concept will clearly form a fundamental part of any shirt design.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 08, 2017, 05:07:37 pm
I don't know what the final designs would look like, but I doubt very much that we would be moving away from our traditional red and white hoops on the home shirt.

My understanding is that the red hoops will include the memorable moments from our 10 years at the Keepmoat in much the same way as CiM has indicated in his post which pictures the Notts County shirt. The font will be small enough to read at close quarters but not from a distance. At a reasonable distance the hoops will look like normal therefore the idea will not impinge or dictate what the shirt looks like.

It will be a one-off in that respect, totally unique, but the design will still be our normal shirt. In some ways it could be described as watermarking, an idea embedded into the shirt in a very subtle way.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 08, 2017, 05:17:27 pm
I don't know what the final designs would look like, but I doubt very much that we would be moving away from our traditional red and white hoops on the home shirt.

My understanding is that the red hoops will include the memorable moments from our 10 years at the Keepmoat in much the same way as CiM has indicated in his post which pictures the Notts County shirt. The font will be small enough to read at close quarters but not from a distance. At a reasonable distance the hoops will look like normal therefore the idea will not impinge or dictate what the shirt looks like.

It will be a one-off in that respect, totally unique, but the design will still be our normal shirt. In some ways it could be described as watermarking, an idea embedded into the shirt in a very subtle way.

This would be preferable if we do go down this route with the shirt.

A concern, however, would be compiling a list long enough to avoid the phrases used being repeated too much. If we use the article on the official website as guidance then we are somewhat limited by the ten year time frame and the interpretation as to what constitutes an "iconic" or "key" event or player. It may be easier/better if we simply listed every player to have played for DRFC at the Keepmoat.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: roversontheup on January 08, 2017, 05:19:03 pm
I really despair of the negativity amongst my fellow Rovers fans at times. It seems to me that the club...our club....are damned if they do and damned if they don't! They are actually trying to do something for the supporters and involving the supporters in the process. They want our ideas and suggestions.
I'm not saying everyone has to like the idea but it does feel as though some people's first reaction is to attack the club rather than embracing what they are trying to do.
The events on the website are just examples. It is up to us to suggest what other events or names etc need to be considered.
I for one feel really proud of the way my club is trying to involve its supporters in so many initiatives. Talk with other clubs supporters and see how many others do as much. There's still a long way to go and there is still lots to do but let's try to look at how things can be made to work rather than why they won't.
Of course this is all JMHO. Rant over!

Oh, give it a rest.

This is a particularly unusual idea for a kit that will be difficult to achieve without the shirt looking tacky. There's been just one or two examples of other clubs doing something potentially similar mentioned in this thread showing that it is not something widespread across football.

I, and clearly some others, think that this is arguably impossible to pull off without the end product being a bit naff. To say so isn't personal criticism of anyone at the club and it's not moaning for the sake of moaning. People can disagree with people at the club, you know.
I stressed that people don't have to like the idea and of course they can disagree with it. It just feels IMO that as a collective we tend to write ideas off without giving them a decent chance. Nobody hates 'tacky' more than I do but at this stage all the club are asking is for supporters ideas and suggestions. Once they have that detail then the design stage can commence. I'm sure people will have ample opportunity to feedback on this to the club then. In the meantime surely we should at least give it a chance.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 08, 2017, 05:21:21 pm
I really despair of the negativity amongst my fellow Rovers fans at times. It seems to me that the club...our club....are damned if they do and damned if they don't! They are actually trying to do something for the supporters and involving the supporters in the process. They want our ideas and suggestions.
I'm not saying everyone has to like the idea but it does feel as though some people's first reaction is to attack the club rather than embracing what they are trying to do.
The events on the website are just examples. It is up to us to suggest what other events or names etc need to be considered.
I for one feel really proud of the way my club is trying to involve its supporters in so many initiatives. Talk with other clubs supporters and see how many others do as much. There's still a long way to go and there is still lots to do but let's try to look at how things can be made to work rather than why they won't.
Of course this is all JMHO. Rant over!

Oh, give it a rest.

This is a particularly unusual idea for a kit that will be difficult to achieve without the shirt looking tacky. There's been just one or two examples of other clubs doing something potentially similar mentioned in this thread showing that it is not something widespread across football.

I, and clearly some others, think that this is arguably impossible to pull off without the end product being a bit naff. To say so isn't personal criticism of anyone at the club and it's not moaning for the sake of moaning. People can disagree with people at the club, you know.
I stressed that people don't have to like the idea and of course they can disagree with it. It just feels IMO that as a collective we tend to write ideas off without giving them a decent chance. Nobody hates 'tacky' more than I do but at this stage all the club are asking is for supporters ideas and suggestions. Once they have that detail then the design stage can commence. I'm sure people will have ample opportunity to feedback on this to the club then. In the meantime surely we should at least give it a chance.

In this instance I think the club would be extremely grateful for the discussion generated on here. It's essentially free market research.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: roversontheup on January 08, 2017, 05:23:08 pm
I don't know what the final designs would look like, but I doubt very much that we would be moving away from our traditional red and white hoops on the home shirt.

My understanding is that the red hoops will include the memorable moments from our 10 years at the Keepmoat in much the same way as CiM has indicated in his post which pictures the Notts County shirt. The font will be small enough to read at close quarters but not from a distance. At a reasonable distance the hoops will look like normal therefore the idea will not impinge or dictate what the shirt looks like.

It will be a one-off in that respect, totally unique, but the design will still be our normal shirt. In some ways it could be described as watermarking, an idea embedded into the shirt in a very subtle way.

This would be preferable if we do go down this route with the shirt.

A concern, however, would be compiling a list long enough to avoid the phrases used being repeated too much. If we use the article on the official website as guidance then we are somewhat limited by the ten year time frame and the interpretation as to what constitutes an "iconic" or "key" event or player. It may be easier/better if we simply listed every player to have played for DRFC at the Keepmoat.
And that's what the club are asking for.....ideas from supporters.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 08, 2017, 05:38:47 pm
 :that: exactly.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: IDM on January 08, 2017, 06:29:59 pm
I don't know what the final designs would look like, but I doubt very much that we would be moving away from our traditional red and white hoops on the home shirt.

My understanding is that the red hoops will include the memorable moments from our 10 years at the Keepmoat in much the same way as CiM has indicated in his post which pictures the Notts County shirt. The font will be small enough to read at close quarters but not from a distance. At a reasonable distance the hoops will look like normal therefore the idea will not impinge or dictate what the shirt looks like.

It will be a one-off in that respect, totally unique, but the design will still be our normal shirt. In some ways it could be described as watermarking, an idea embedded into the shirt in a very subtle way.

Now that sounds more understandable but wasn't clear when read on DROS..

However - and this is only my opinion - the win over the Blades is no more memorable than any other..

If it is to be as you described, with small watermarked font, could we not list every victory at the stadium, every Rovers player who has played there etc??
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: German Rover on January 08, 2017, 06:35:23 pm
I don't know what the final designs would look like, but I doubt very much that we would be moving away from our traditional red and white hoops on the home shirt.

My understanding is that the red hoops will include the memorable moments from our 10 years at the Keepmoat in much the same way as CiM has indicated in his post which pictures the Notts County shirt. The font will be small enough to read at close quarters but not from a distance. At a reasonable distance the hoops will look like normal therefore the idea will not impinge or dictate what the shirt looks like.

It will be a one-off in that respect, totally unique, but the design will still be our normal shirt. In some ways it could be described as watermarking, an idea embedded into the shirt in a very subtle way.

Now that sounds more understandable but wasn't clear when read on DROS..

However - and this is only my opinion - the win over the Blades is no more memorable than any other..

If it is to be as you described, with small watermarked font, could we not list every victory at the stadium, every Rovers player who has played there etc??

I really like that Idea!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: The Red Baron on January 08, 2017, 06:54:38 pm
Like the idea of the name of every player who has played for DRFC. I have the information to hand too!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Dagenham Rover on January 08, 2017, 08:08:38 pm
Like the idea of the name of every player who has played for DRFC. I have the information to hand too!
Suppose we'll have to include the crap ones as well 😁
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 08, 2017, 08:25:48 pm
Like the idea of the name of every player who has played for DRFC. I have the information to hand too!
Suppose we'll have to include the crap ones as well 😁

Hérold 'the next Viera' Goulon.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Donnywolf on January 08, 2017, 08:44:56 pm
I don't know what the final designs would look like, but I doubt very much that we would be moving away from our traditional red and white hoops on the home shirt.

My understanding is that the red hoops will include the memorable moments from our 10 years at the Keepmoat in much the same way as CiM has indicated in his post which pictures the Notts County shirt. The font will be small enough to read at close quarters but not from a distance. At a reasonable distance the hoops will look like normal therefore the idea will not impinge or dictate what the shirt looks like.

It will be a one-off in that respect, totally unique, but the design will still be our normal shirt. In some ways it could be described as watermarking, an idea embedded into the shirt in a very subtle way.

Now that sounds more understandable but wasn't clear when read on DROS..

However - and this is only my opinion - the win over the Blades is no more memorable than any other..

If it is to be as you described, with small watermarked font, could we not list every victory at the stadium, every Rovers player who has played there etc??

... OR slight change on that the Players Copps has played with - often seen it on here

Honours him and them ?
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: IDM on January 08, 2017, 08:50:22 pm
However what if - unlikely as it seems - Copps isn't here next season after some wild disagreement with the club??

Perfect for a testimonial but that's been and gone..
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 08, 2017, 09:06:05 pm
Thanks for the responses. However I must point out that the club was asking for exactly what you guys have now suggested, and that what you should do now is let them know. If you don't feel that you want to I'm happy to do that for you.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Jonathan on January 08, 2017, 10:15:27 pm
Thanks for the responses. However I must point out that the club was asking for exactly what you guys have now suggested, and that what you should do now is let them know. If you don't feel that you want to I'm happy to do that for you.

How about every result except the much maligned 2-0 against Sheffield United.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: DD on January 09, 2017, 12:34:51 am
Whatever the design PLEASE can we ensure that the players numbers are clear and can be read from a distance?
The current numbering / appearance is shocking. My eyesight is pretty good but I find it very difficult to differentiate between players when on the far side of the pitch.....and I'm not alone on this.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: andysly on January 09, 2017, 12:42:55 am
Please not every player....some of those from the experiment would be totally abhorrent.
Every win isn't a bad idea, though there were some enjoyable draws and even defeats, hell just put them all on, even the 0-6 v Ipswich.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on January 09, 2017, 01:24:58 am
I seem to remember man utd doing a shirt with the stadium in the design of the shirt. They also had one with famous former players throughout the design. I think it was a case you could only see it close up not from far away. I would think our shirt would be similar.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 09, 2017, 02:39:36 am
Whatever the design PLEASE can we ensure that the players numbers are clear and can be read from a distance?
The current numbering / appearance is shocking. My eyesight is pretty good but I find it very difficult to differentiate between players when on the far side of the pitch.....and I'm not alone on this.

I wouldn't worry, that's been discussed umpteen times!"
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: wing commander on January 09, 2017, 09:22:27 am
   Shirt design will always be controversial because if you put 3 fans in a room looking at the shirt, one fan will think its great, another will think its awful while the 3rd doesn't care because he thinks changing every year is a total rip-off....
   So I'm sure when its that time of year again you can hear a large groan from the poor unfortunate soul in the Rovers office who has been lumbered with the task...That said I don't think Rovers help themselves after last years process and winner..Many fans wont get involved as they don't trust it....
   That said I actually like the idea of this,there is only so much you can do with hoops and after seeing some of the other clubs strips who have incorporated this idea its possible to make it work....
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RedJ on January 09, 2017, 09:39:21 am
Whatever the design PLEASE can we ensure that the players numbers are clear and can be read from a distance?
The current numbering / appearance is shocking. My eyesight is pretty good but I find it very difficult to differentiate between players when on the far side of the pitch.....and I'm not alone on this.

In fairness isn't that an EFL thing? as everyone seems to have the dots in the numbers.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: The Red Baron on January 09, 2017, 10:34:51 am
The numbers are a standard design approved by the EFL. You should direct any complaints at them rather than the club, which has no say.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: DannyRovers on January 09, 2017, 10:48:25 am
If it was done in the style of Notts County that would be class. If they did it on the red hoops with a bright red dark red combination so it was nice an subtle. I envisioned pictures printed on somehow which when I have seen others do the same looks really tacky.

On the number comments. I totally agree. We cant change the numbers but we can have it a solid colour on the back of the shirt with no hoops so it is clearer which I prefer, but then again many don't like that.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RoversAlias on January 09, 2017, 11:42:34 am
The dots in the number design is for Prostate Cancer, newly introduced this season. It is EFL wide, not like Rovers can do anything about it and it doesn't help that we have hooped shirts because numbers are generally harder to read on the back of them than other kit template styles anyway.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: DaveDRFC on January 09, 2017, 02:33:48 pm
Have to say when I first read about this I immediately thought of a couple of 90's Manchester United shirts.

(http://static.weloveshopping.com/shop/iamsk38129/FSHR-MANU-H1995.jpg)

(http://classic-shirts.com/data/gfx/pictures/large/1/9/16591_2.jpg)

Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: CrippyCooke on January 09, 2017, 02:49:12 pm
Thanks for the responses. However I must point out that the club was asking for exactly what you guys have now suggested, and that what you should do now is let them know. If you don't feel that you want to I'm happy to do that for you.

You're more than welcome to pass any of my comments to the club.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: silent majority on January 09, 2017, 03:16:22 pm
Thanks for the responses. However I must point out that the club was asking for exactly what you guys have now suggested, and that what you should do now is let them know. If you don't feel that you want to I'm happy to do that for you.

You're more than welcome to pass any of my comments to the club.

Done.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: Mr1Croft on January 09, 2017, 05:56:24 pm
Whatever the design PLEASE can we ensure that the players numbers are clear and can be read from a distance?
The current numbering / appearance is shocking. My eyesight is pretty good but I find it very difficult to differentiate between players when on the far side of the pitch.....and I'm not alone on this.

In fairness isn't that an EFL thing? as everyone seems to have the dots in the numbers.

The hoops don't work with numbers because of the contrasting colors in hoops - however I am a big fan of what Reading did this season by fading the hoop on the back...

(http://www.soccer365.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/reading-home-2016-back.jpg)
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: WheatleyRover on January 09, 2017, 06:08:34 pm
I dont want to change from the Hoops thats our identity now, if its just for one season i dont mind but surley they can come up with something for a hooped design
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RedJ on January 09, 2017, 06:42:36 pm
Nobody says that they won't do that.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RobTheRover on January 09, 2017, 07:32:31 pm
Whatever the design PLEASE can we ensure that the players numbers are clear and can be read from a distance?
The current numbering / appearance is shocking. My eyesight is pretty good but I find it very difficult to differentiate between players when on the far side of the pitch.....and I'm not alone on this.

In fairness isn't that an EFL thing? as everyone seems to have the dots in the numbers.

The hoops don't work with numbers because of the contrasting colors in hoops - however I am a big fan of what Reading did this season by fading the hoop on the back...

(http://www.soccer365.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/reading-home-2016-back.jpg)

Thanks for sharing that, Lee.   I didnt know Reading had done that.  Works really well and gets around the "They arent hoops with a solid back" arguments.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RobTheRover on January 09, 2017, 07:32:56 pm
Nobody says that they won't do that.

Meatloaf did!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: The Red Baron on January 09, 2017, 08:45:48 pm
They look just as bad on stripes. QV Newcastle United.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: DD on January 10, 2017, 12:38:10 am
Couldn't care less how it's done - as long as the number serves its purpose - to be read!!!! & not just at 5 paces.
Once again it shows how the EFL works - "wouldn't it be a good idea to show how much we are supporting the prostate campaign by having the logo everywhere?" Without thinking of the practicality / outcome.
Fine campaign but not in this way. DRFC then compound it by mixing it up with stripes!
The way I identify the players (& I'm not alone) is the colour of their boots! So my next campaign is for all our midfielders to wear different!! Plus Baudry to keep his turban!!!!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: WheatleyRover on January 10, 2017, 01:03:58 am
Can we at least get black shorts back
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RobTheRover on January 10, 2017, 01:07:39 am
DRFC then compound it by mixing it up with stripes!

HOOOPSSSSS!!!!!!!!  (blood pressure off the chart)
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: RoversAlias on January 10, 2017, 08:24:29 am
Can we at least get black shorts back

Personally I'd hate that, didn't like us having black shorts and socks. The kits just look good with red and white the whole way through, for me.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: PopStander on January 10, 2017, 12:24:19 pm
Has to be 2007/08 home shirt season for me. For history.
The whole playoff journey!

But as in kits I loved, it has to be the 2012/13 season with the win at Brentford, that Nike kit!
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: drfchound on January 11, 2017, 08:09:25 pm
I haven't read the whole thread and someone else may have said this, I really hope that individual results end up on the shirts, for example 2-0 against the blunts.
Title: Re: 17/18 Kit
Post by: WheatleyRover on January 11, 2017, 08:46:11 pm
Surley there has to be something on there for Wembley and beating that horrible team from West Yorkshire