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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: les@donr on March 23, 2017, 09:09:27 pm
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If he plays like this, he will be gifting us goals :crying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_A0qjXGKCc
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My bet is he will be well aware of the bad feeling up here and has been getting ready mentally for some time.
I've been hoping for a training ground injury all week as I fear he will have a blinder.
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Me too but just to take the emphasis OFF him and the perceived revenge
I have seen him described as a "murderer" on here which is not correct - AND - even worse he was compared to the recent London Terrorist yesterday which is also unbelievable for a host of reasons
I expect he will still get dogs abuse despite what 90% of the people on here may post. Personally I hope the Players are not drawn into a so called revenge mission as well as that will play into the oppositions hands and the Referees hands too.
Stay calm and extract the maximum revenge possible in Football by beating Plymouth handsomely and on TV for the watching "millions" to see and show them why we are unbeaten at home and worthy Table toppers.
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Let him be his own downfall on the pitch, I say!
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I'm pretty sure he's used to it be now. He's a Kitson and knows he's a Kitson so it's no surprise to him. I imagine the first thing he thinks about each day is how much of a Kitson he is.
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Totally agree BFYP, even their kit man doesn't like him....."Here's your KitSon".
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Me too but just to take the emphasis OFF him and the perceived revenge
I have seen him described as a "murderer" on here which is not correct - AND - even worse he was compared to the recent London Terrorist yesterday which is also unbelievable for a host of reasons
I expect he will still get dogs abuse despite what 90% of the people on here may post. Personally I hope the Players are not drawn into a so called revenge mission as well as that will play into the oppositions hands and the Referees hands too.
Stay calm and extract the maximum revenge possible in Football by beating Plymouth handsomely and on TV for the watching "millions" to see and show them why we are unbeaten at home and worthy Table toppers.
I cannot agree him not being a murderer. Any person who takes a loaded gun points it at someone and shoots they are a murderer.
Anyone who gets into a car when OPL and know they are, then looses control because of drink is the same. The car being a weapon.
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Me too but just to take the emphasis OFF him and the perceived revenge
I have seen him described as a "murderer" on here which is not correct - AND - even worse he was compared to the recent London Terrorist yesterday which is also unbelievable for a host of reasons
I expect he will still get dogs abuse despite what 90% of the people on here may post. Personally I hope the Players are not drawn into a so called revenge mission as well as that will play into the oppositions hands and the Referees hands too.
Stay calm and extract the maximum revenge possible in Football by beating Plymouth handsomely and on TV for the watching "millions" to see and show them why we are unbeaten at home and worthy Table toppers.
I cannot agree him not being a murderer. Any person who takes a loaded gun points it at someone and shoots they are a murderer.
Anyone who gets into a car when OPL and know they are, then looses control because of drink is the same. The car being a weapon.
Wolfie, i wouldn't worry that the players are going to let the occasion get the better of them.
They will be in the right frame of mind, DF will see to that, and they will do a professional job on the field.
What the fans do however is a different matter and i am sure that McCormick will get plenty of stick.
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I'm sure he'll get loads too - just hope it doesn't put the club or our fans in a bad light tho - for example a big banner with the word 'murderer' on it will not put us in a good light on TV!
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I'm pretty sure he's used to it be now. He's a Kitson and knows he's a Kitson so it's no surprise to him. I imagine the first thing he thinks about each day is how much of a Kitson he is.
Wonderful use of the C bomb sir.
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Me too but just to take the emphasis OFF him and the perceived revenge
I have seen him described as a "murderer" on here which is not correct - AND - even worse he was compared to the recent London Terrorist yesterday which is also unbelievable for a host of reasons
I expect he will still get dogs abuse despite what 90% of the people on here may post. Personally I hope the Players are not drawn into a so called revenge mission as well as that will play into the oppositions hands and the Referees hands too.
Stay calm and extract the maximum revenge possible in Football by beating Plymouth handsomely and on TV for the watching "millions" to see and show them why we are unbeaten at home and worthy Table toppers.
I cannot agree him not being a murderer. Any person who takes a loaded gun points it at someone and shoots they are a murderer.
Anyone who gets into a car when OPL and know they are, then looses control because of drink is the same. The car being a weapon.
Sorry have to disagree... Murder is about the intent to kill.. Drunk driving, as stupid and indefensible as it is, isn't an intent to kill - a car can be a used as a deliberate weapon with a sober driver...
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Me too but just to take the emphasis OFF him and the perceived revenge
I have seen him described as a "murderer" on here which is not correct - AND - even worse he was compared to the recent London Terrorist yesterday which is also unbelievable for a host of reasons
I expect he will still get dogs abuse despite what 90% of the people on here may post. Personally I hope the Players are not drawn into a so called revenge mission as well as that will play into the oppositions hands and the Referees hands too.
Stay calm and extract the maximum revenge possible in Football by beating Plymouth handsomely and on TV for the watching "millions" to see and show them why we are unbeaten at home and
Yes as we saw in London.
But it is without total regard of other people's safety so therefore it is premeditated and action that has been publicised far too often over the years. You get behind a wheel when OPL you kill. Where is there a lawful or any type of excuse. The law is specific.
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I cannot agree him not being a murderer. Any person who takes a loaded gun points it at someone and shoots they are a murderer.
Anyone who gets into a car when OPL and know they are, then looses control because of drink is the same. The car being a weapon.
Sorry have to disagree... Murder is about the intent to kill.. Drunk driving, as stupid and indefensible as it is, isn't an intent to kill - a car can be a used as a deliberate weapon with a sober driver...
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Me too but just to take the emphasis OFF him and the perceived revenge
I have seen him described as a "murderer" on here which is not correct - AND - even worse he was compared to the recent London Terrorist yesterday which is also unbelievable for a host of reasons
I expect he will still get dogs abuse despite what 90% of the people on here may post. Personally I hope the Players are not drawn into a so called revenge mission as well as that will play into the oppositions hands and the Referees hands too.
Stay calm and extract the maximum revenge possible in Football by beating Plymouth handsomely and on TV for the watching "millions" to see and show them why we are unbeaten at home and worthy Table toppers.
I cannot agree him not being a murderer. Any person who takes a loaded gun points it at someone and shoots they are a murderer.
Anyone who gets into a car when OPL and know they are, then looses control because of drink is the same. The car being a weapon.
For someone who made a career of upholding the law, you don't seem to know the law very well Bally.
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The Law "They say is an Ass". My personal beliefs are different That is fact. But I am no longer a Police man. I am what I was, an ordinary lad from Dunscroft with my own personal beliefs. I do not give two tosses of a donkey's tail what you or anyone else thinks or says.. Now that is proper Dunscroft talk. There is more but I choose not to use it.
You do what you believe in and I will do mine. But on my previous employment and yours whatever it was. How many dying people's hand have you held when run over. Well maybe you may think you understand things but many of us during 1974 to 2001 are mentally damaged. on what we had to do, but yes I did join freely.
I repeat. Do I care what you think ? You know the answer. Perhaps you have had someone killed by a drunk driver and if so then you may have different views to you comment.
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Bally, no one is defending nor condoning drink driving and the terrible consequences.. Just saying it isn't murder...
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Iam with you Bally
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Mum is under strict instruction as a Mother's Day mascot that she is not to shake his hand
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Well done that girl :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Bally, no one is defending nor condoning drink driving and the terrible consequences.. Just saying it isn't murder...
I have been in Court enough times to argue that point and when a judge says to someone who has just been banned from driving "You knew the consequences of your actions" maybe the Judiciary also have their opinion.
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When your right your right Bally
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The law states he isn't a murderer but I'm with Bally, if you get behind the wheel of a car under the influence of alcohol or drugs you have no defence and I would add using mobile phones to both those. We all know it's against the law and we all know the consequences of ignoring it so for me it's murder.
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I'm pretty sure he's used to it be now. He's a Kitson and knows he's a Kitson so it's no surprise to him. I imagine the first thing he thinks about each day is how much of a Kitson he is.
One hopes the first thing he thinks about each day is the lives he ruined. Sadly, I seriously doubt it.
Scum of the first order IMO, best ignored - he's not worth the spit.
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Bally, Nortikoner, DVR, I am in no way belittling the seriousness and the criminality of drink driving and the effects.
It is abhorrent and when it causes deaths it is wholly avoidable and death for no reason. A murderer would have a reason for doing what he/she does??
It's just semantics over the legality of what is and is not murder.
I repeat, that does not make deaths caused by drunk drivers any less repugnant.
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Can we get back on track here. His antics at their home game was worthy of derision from our support - if he gets it, then it's deserved. All Mandeville did was hit the post from the pen and the keeper didn't even guess the right way! It simply wasn't called for and yet he did it, resulting in Copp's reaction and ultimate sending off. Why the ref didn't give him a yellow is beyond me and we have the same ref tomorrow.
It feels like there is a hidden agenda in appointing a ref who made one or two errors of judgement in that first match.
My distaste of the keeper is more based on his antics on the field of play. The fact that he appears to be a moron as well just goes some way to explain why he hid what he did.
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:that: 100 % THAT !!!
:scarf: COYR . Lets just show the watching TV viewers why we are unbeaten at Home and top of the Division
The rest is a sideshow
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I agree with Alan!!
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His behaviour towards Mandy was beyond disgraceful. He deserves every bit of derision he gets from the BB.
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He showed his colours with that incident with Mandy, winning a Kitson diploma. Copps should be player of the season just for his reaction, spot on.
A sending off would be justice for the football side of things, though I'd settle for him just messing up, slipping on his arse when he takes a goal kick, walking into the post, miscommunication with his defenders etc.
Nasty man, booooooooo!
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Can we just get three points please
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Rovers should repeatedly play the Notts C goal on the screen to spook out their keeper.
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What sort of reception did he get?
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What sort of reception did he get?
Hostile. Banners and all sorts.
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What sort of reception did he get?
BBC1 and 2 are Ok, but he's got no chance with Channel 5
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A shame he's been their best player.
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A shame he's been their best player.
He's made one decent save.
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In front of his own crowd 2nd half too, so no more grilling from the BB
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One good save all the rest were saves you'd expect to see save. Some very poor finishing today
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One good save all the rest were saves you'd expect to see save. Some very poor finishing today
Tend to agree. Didn't take our chances did we?
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He made some very good saves. Got the rightful dog's abuse but to be honest I thought it was telling that in the second half, our fans barely made a noise throughout with him up the other end, and one more chant aimed at him later on was as loud as it got.
The players didn't exactly gee us up today but I was surprised there wasn't more vocal singing/chanting after the break, seemed as if it was all wrapped up in McCormick rather than the team.
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We should've buried them in that first half.
Think the fact that they scored fairly early in the second killed off any atmosphere, especially with the regular drummer seemingly getting booted out again.
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We were robbed today they have one shot on target and score.should have put at least one of our chances away.but footballs a funny old game can't win them all.
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We played quite well today but so did Plymouth, in a containing type of way.
I actually thought McCormick made at least three top saves today.
Without the benefit of seeing any replays yet, why didn't Lawlor try to get the corner away.
It was just a floated cross to the far post and we thought he had a good chance of flapping it away to the right back area but keepers these days tend not to go for them.
Although we were ok today we didn't have anyone wh really had a blinder.
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Weird karma for everyone - mccormick has a second chance after his driving misdemeanour and is taking it! In 1995 a young very highly rated keeper at Plymouth, Alan Nicholls, died on the back of his mate's motorbike after a game for stalybridge!
Funny old world!
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The gamesmanship started when he was named Captain by them
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The gamesmanship started when he was named Captain by them
At the start of the season? There's some mad conspiracy nuts on here, but this takes the biscuit. They made him captain in July to piss rovers fans off at the end of March.
Seriously people need to have a word with themselves. Yes he did wrong and was punished according to the British justice system. He expressed regret and still it's not enough for some people. Some of you seem to want blood. I guarantee no one would ha e mentioned him if he hadn't got in Mandevilles face and Coppinger hadn't got himself sent off!
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem. We lost today to the goal that Plymouth have scored all season - manager/defender to blame. They have a game plan which has beaten us twice this season, we'll be up but there are questions over Ferguson after this
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Oh I apologise, I did not truly know he was the captain of the team, I do apologise. On gamesmanship though. It took the ref 85 mins to work out he had been getting the piss taken out of him by tem. We knew that they would fall over anywhere and as the ref wiould see to the wounded the rest went for tactical talk. Amazing only three mins added time too, very amazing indeed.
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem. We lost today to the goal that Plymouth have scored all season - manager/defender to blame. They have a game plan which has beaten us twice this season, we'll be up but there are questions over Ferguson after this
I cannot agree with that but it is your opinion so I respect it
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Fact is, no matter how well he played, he's still a Child Killer.
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem. We lost today to the goal that Plymouth have scored all season - manager/defender to blame. They have a game plan which has beaten us twice this season, we'll be up but there are questions over Ferguson after this
Which bit don't you agree with?
I cannot agree with that but it is your opinion so I respect it
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I find it odd in cases like McCormick's that the family of his victims can say now he's served his time they just want to get on with their lives and leave this tragedy behind them, yet some people who have no obvious connection to the events, continue to obsess over it. The mind boggles.
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What would you do if it was your kid dead in the ground and he is merrily carrying on with his life. Turn the other cheek "You have killed my child now I turn the cheak so you can kill the other one but have a good drink first.??
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You've missed my point entirely bally1950. I could try and explain it again, but I wonder what the point would be.
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Try - AS you say I am thick so it may take a second attempt
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Ok. The family of the dead children have said they want to get on with their lives. He has, in their view, served his time. No good can come from dragging this tragedy out for ever more.
So, if the people directly impacted by this awful thing can take that position, why is it that those who have not been impacted feel they need to keep picking at old wounds. It serves no purpose and it's hard to understand their motivations.
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem.
I said the same thing on the way out of the ground yesterday, he was a decent keeper for Plymouth in the Championship and if he hadn't done what he did there is no way he would still be playing for them, he'd still be at a Championship club at the very least.
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Kept them in it yesterday and looked their only decent player - end of really
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Kept them in it yesterday and looked their only decent player - end of really
agree with this quote he saved them, but he deserved the stick he got.
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My gripe with the whole affair is with the judiciary. The maximum sentence he could have received for the offence was 14 years but they chose to give him 7. The life he now enjoys together with the sentence he received was insufficient as a deterrent to others.
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I agree but our beef as "the Public" should be to pressurise Governments now and in the future for Sentences that do reflect our concern / horror etc at offences such as this.
I long advocated for a system of Menu sentencing when for example you are convicted of Burglary you get x Months in Prison wherever you are in (say) England. No mitigation - no exceptions. You have been CONVICTED. Then there would be none of the "inconsistency" of which you have spoken.
Apply that to each and every kind of offence and surely "we" as the Public would / should be better protected.
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem. We lost today to the goal that Plymouth have scored all season - manager/defender to blame. They have a game plan which has beaten us twice this season, we'll be up but there are questions over Ferguson after this
Which bit don't you agree with?
I cannot agree with that but it is your opinion so I respect it
That they had a game plan..We should have had four in first half, May missed a sitter from a yard. Good saves and atrocious refereeing. Good Game plan. Let the home team score several goals first.
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Never going to happen JT, The Government are trying to empty prisons.
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Ok. The family of the dead children have said they want to get on with their lives. He has, in their view, served his time. No good can come from dragging this tragedy out for ever more.
So, if the people directly impacted by this awful thing can take that position, why is it that those who have not been impacted feel they need to keep picking at old wounds. It serves no purpose and it's hard to understand their motivations.
OHHHHH. Nope still do not understand why the general public cannot be outraged.
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Of course they can be, but what's the point? It happened nearly a decade ago.
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I do not know if you were there yesterday but the Stand behind him had their views. Including the four that tried to have a real go and he refused to go for the ball behind his goal again. and utilised the ball boys (never thanking them, but I did not see any Plymouth player thanking) And lets be right about it, all this is because of his actions in the first fixture and getting Copps sent off. I also bet the parents look at the empty beds each night too
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I do not know if you were there yesterday but the Stand behind him had their views. Including the four that tried to have a real go and he refused to go for the ball behind his goal again. and utilised the ball boys (never thanking them, but I did not see any Plymouth player thanking) And lets be right about it, all this is because of his actions in the first fixture and getting Copps sent off. I also bet the parents look at the empty beds each night too
I don't think he utilised the ball boys because he was bothered by the crowd, he was time wasting from the first kick, it wasn't in their game plan to get the ball back into play quickly.
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem. We lost today to the goal that Plymouth have scored all season - manager/defender to blame. They have a game plan which has beaten us twice this season, we'll be up but there are questions over Ferguson after this
Which bit don't you agree with?
I cannot agree with that but it is your opinion so I respect it
That they had a game plan..We should have had four in first half, May missed a sitter from a yard. Good saves and atrocious refereeing. Good Game plan. Let the home team score several goals first.
Not sure that was there plan, however, get bodies behind the ball, counter attack and hope to snatch a goal, maybe from a set piece? Smash and grab? Remember that tactic when we went up with Jones et al?
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Fact is that he's a very good keeper and if it wasn't for his past m, he'd be in the championship or prem. We lost today to the goal that Plymouth have scored all season - manager/defender to blame. They have a game plan which has beaten us twice this season, we'll be up but there are questions over Ferguson after this
Which bit don't you agree with?
I cannot agree with that but it is your opinion so I respect it
That they had a game plan..We should have had four in first half, May missed a sitter from a yard. Good saves and atrocious refereeing. Good Game plan. Let the home team score several goals first.
Can you clarify atrocious refereeing? watching on Sky he didn't seem to get a lot wrong in my opinion and I say that without using the benefit of using slow motion etc I always go by my initial reaction.
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Yes I will Raven . 2 mins gone May flattened from the back within two yards of linesman. No foul.. Just a couple of minutes later a shoulder charge fk to Plym 2 mins after that an attack that could have got a goal, fk to Plym several minutes after that May and big defender bump big fellow goes doewn fk to Plym and so it went on to such and extent that until Marquis was almost snapped in two by the defender coming over the top did we get a fk, they fell down nowhere near play arms in air fk to them. Time wasting allowed. A trip on Donny player in area not punished.
Second half not as bad but he only really had a better idea of fouls after their goal, but still fell for 5 card tricks on non injuries and stop play and added time just 3 mins after 5 subs and umpteen hold ups for their players. keeper never spoken to for time wasting
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Yes I will Raven . 2 mins gone May flattened from the back within two yards of linesman. No foul.. Just a couple of minutes later a shoulder charge fk to Plym 2 mins after that an attack that could have got a goal, fk to Plym several minutes after that May and big defender bump big fellow goes doewn fk to Plym and so it went on to such and extent that until Marquis was almost snapped in two by the defender coming over the top did we get a fk, they fell down nowhere near play arms in air fk to them. Time wasting allowed. A trip on Donny player in area not punished.
Second half not as bad but he only really had a better idea of fouls after their goal, but still fell for 5 card tricks on non injuries and stop play and added time just 3 mins after 5 subs and umpteen hold ups for their players. keeper never spoken to for time wasting
Would that be the Tommy Rowe dive?
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I could not see a dive or who the player was but there was a leg out and a player went down, that is all I could see.
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Tomm Rowe saw a leg out and dived, but by the time he'd executed his dive the leg had been pulled away and not within 2 feet of Tommy
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Thanks, I did not get a view as good as yours, Referee still rubbish IMO
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Second half not as bad but he only really had a better idea of fouls after their goal, but still fell for 5 card tricks on non injuries and stop play and added time just 3 mins after 5 subs and umpteen hold ups for their players. keeper never spoken to for time wasting
Except the horrible challenge on Copps almost straight after Kick Off by their 10. Late and dangerous
Not seen by Ref (who awarded a Free Kick anyway) and presumably given by Lino - or Ref alerted by crowd reaction
I.m with the latter because any Lino (sorry supposed ASSISTANT Referee) would surely have told the Ref how bad a tackle it really was and that it was a Yellow Card minimum. Assistant my a***
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The Tommy Rowe one, at the time I thought was a definite penalty. Saw the replay on the concourse TVs at half time and he dived, so the ref got that one right. Don't know why Rowe dived, if he'd just kept running he would have been fouled but he went to ground before he'd even got to the defender's leg!
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Yeah definite dive, I was watching in the pub and shouted penalty when I first saw it but replays proved me wrong.
Didn't think the ref was that bad - he let a lot go but there was plenty from us that I thought should have been penalised as well.
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The lack of a yellow card for the foul on Copps just after half time was ridiculous.
Getting back to the OP, their keeper was man of the match. 3 top class saves kept them in the game, not forgetting at least 2 or was it 3 blocks by defenders sliding in..
Another day, same chances, we score 3.
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I agree with that IDM.
Too many of us are saying it was bad finishing.
If we had defended in a similar way and nicked a 1-0 everyone would have been praising the keeper and defence.
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Rowe had a few good chances as well as Copps. Rowe had a free header from a corner which he should have done better with. Copps had never been the best in front of goal but he should have done better with the one he put over the bar. It's not the end of the world though, we showed we are a far better team than them.