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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: The Red Baron on May 11, 2017, 05:53:40 pm
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I have heard that the 2016-17 format is being retained for next season, although possibly with a few tweaks. We will be having Under 21/ Under 23/ B Teams though.
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I can't see much interest in the prospect of competing against league two rubbish and the like. :whistle:
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Wonder how we'll have voted.
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Will give it a miss then...
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It will become a competion to see which club can come up with the most original way to flaunt the stupid competion laws laid down on team selection etc etc.
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I won't mind so much if they bring in a rule stipulating a minimum number of youngsters to play from all clubs. It certainly benefitted some of our young lads this season.
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The rules are ridiculous - if the Premier League and Championship teams are encouraged to play the youngsters, lower league teams should not be penalised for doing the same. They are all going to get the same benefits.
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Rovers voted for the system to remain the same.
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As long as lower league clubs don't get fined for making changes I'm fine with it. If they're weak teams then they'll go out early and won't make anything from it.
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Rovers voted for the system to remain the same.
Same format but with amendments to the competition rules.
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So, the same then. The article on our website didn't even mention the view of the fans, sad to see.
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So, the same then. The article on our website didn't even mention the view of the fans, sad to see.
Probably to stop the same reaction as Notts County, they released their fans views and then voted for it anyway.
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Thin end of the wedge, the Checkatrade. The powers that be want Prem "B" teams up the pecking order, asap.
The tragedy here is the cloth ears of the football hierarchy to their customers, the fans.
Against League3 is worth a glance;
Home - Against League 3 (https://www.againstleague3.co.uk/)
Maybe the real consumers of football are no longer the paying punters!
Just a thought!
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I'll buy that Albie. Change isn't instant. It creeps. Get used to one little thing and the next little thing isn't so big or bad after all. It's how governments, of al persuaisoons, work these days. Why should the PL be any different? I like the reference in your link to the PL stockpiling young players and then, when they've too many to actually play, invading a competition they split away from in 1992 to get them a vehicle to play in.
BobG
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Dennis Skinner I think it was (love him or hate him) used to say just that.
He had a word he made up - sure it was Gimmler - wherby someone usually a Government say for example Telly Licence needs to go up by £50 a year.
However realistically they are looking for £7.50 a year and they know there will be a public outcry against the £50 and a big one at that. Duly it arrives - and initially they fight their corner but eventually and "reluctantly" the Government back down and offer £7.50 as a compromise.
The public are happy as (they think) they have won and democracy has triumphed - but behind closed doors the Govt are delighted too cos they got exactly what they wanted from the outset. Thats a Gimmler and it suits the Checkatrade Trophy AND the Rugby Premiership for those noticing their recent change to a tee
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I see that Pep Guardiola? Wants to have 2nd teams playing in the league. If that is the case have a league purely for 2nd teams played on the same day that the 1st team plays, he might not be so keen then methinks
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
The additional revenue is the extra million from the Premier League. Which now means they get £20K for a win.
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
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Group stage winners will now get £15000 for a win.
£7500 for a draw.
And better prize money for the winners in the knock out stages.
Teams may just look at the prize money and take it a little more seriously.I agree with all the misgivings though and feel that the invited teams should have no overage players allowed in their teams.
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
I hope we can revisit that comment in ten years time because albies view is much the same as mine on this.
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Hound,I hope I am here in 10yrs,even better if I am able to remember the subject matter.
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
I hope we can revisit that comment in ten years time because albies view is much the same as mine on this.
More than happy to do so. It's not about having an opinion though it's having knowledge and the ability to shape the discussions. I have a meeting with Shaun Harvey on Friday, if you wish to table a question I'm more than happy to try and have it added to the agenda.
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I see that Pep Guardiola? Wants to have 2nd teams playing in the league. If that is the case have a league purely for 2nd teams played on the same day that the 1st team plays, he might not be so keen then methinks
not unreasonably from his perspective - Spain, Germany, the Netherlands all have b-teams featuring in the top two or three divisions of their national leagues, so it's what he is used to; all systems which underscore national teams that we'd be happy to have emulated either now or at any time over the last few decades
that said, france and italy both have deep league structures without b-team involvement above level four, and we'd take a replication of their success too...
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
I hope we can revisit that comment in ten years time because albies view is much the same as mine on this.
More than happy to do so. It's not about having an opinion though it's having knowledge and the ability to shape the discussions. I have a meeting with Shaun Harvey on Friday, if you wish to table a question I'm more than happy to try and have it added to the agenda.
The question should be a simple one for Mr. Harvey: why have you put the importance of extra money from the big clubs over the viewpoint of the fans?
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Report from one chairman said they said if there was a no vote then the PL funding would be removed, so I can understand why they voted for it.
Question to Mr Harvey - Seeing as the EFL is so financially reliant on the Premier League. Do you ever fear they'll pull the funding completely if they're not given what they want at some point in future. Would this also potentially ruin the existence of some EFL clubs?
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
I hope we can revisit that comment in ten years time because albies view is much the same as mine on this.
More than happy to do so. It's not about having an opinion though it's having knowledge and the ability to shape the discussions. I have a meeting with Shaun Harvey on Friday, if you wish to table a question I'm more than happy to try and have it added to the agenda.
The question should be a simple one for Mr. Harvey: why have you put the importance of extra money from the big clubs over the viewpoint of the fans?
The Checkatrade trophy is already on the agenda, the question was more to do with albies opinion that the Championship would be floated off and Prem B teams would start to fill the lower leagues.
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
I hope we can revisit that comment in ten years time because albies view is much the same as mine on this.
More than happy to do so. It's not about having an opinion though it's having knowledge and the ability to shape the discussions. I have a meeting with Shaun Harvey on Friday, if you wish to table a question I'm more than happy to try and have it added to the agenda.
The question should be a simple one for Mr. Harvey: why have you put the importance of extra money from the big clubs over the viewpoint of the fans?
The Checkatrade trophy is already on the agenda, the question was more to do with albies opinion that the Championship would be floated off and Prem B teams would start to fill the lower leagues.
Ah okay, well raising that issue is certainly important because as much as they've said "this isn't the thin end of the wedge" umpteen times, it is hard to believe them due to this continued feature of U21 sides in the Checkatrade.
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One of the stated headline objectives of the revised Checkatrade is to
"Improve the revenue opportunities of EFL clubs".
How that sits alongside the fall in attendences from an average of 3221 (in 2015/16), to 1404 (in 16/17) is not explained by the EFL.
You have to think that the alleged benefits come from some other source of value.
For what its worth, I think that the Championship will be eventually be floated off as a seperate competition from L1 and L2. The revenue potential of media rights will be captured by the haves, and the have nots will be cut adrift.
After that, a short hop later a feeder for Prem "B" teams will be set up, so entry into the hierarchy is enabled for the big clubs "B" sides through to the higher levels. Rovers and their like will be by-passed.
It is all about marketing, and the brand identity and recognition of the package to consumers abroad. The traditions of the game, and fans opinions, are just a hazard to be negotiated on the way.
Not a chance.
I hope we can revisit that comment in ten years time because albies view is much the same as mine on this.
More than happy to do so. It's not about having an opinion though it's having knowledge and the ability to shape the discussions. I have a meeting with Shaun Harvey on Friday, if you wish to table a question I'm more than happy to try and have it added to the agenda.
The question should be a simple one for Mr. Harvey: why have you put the importance of extra money from the big clubs over the viewpoint of the fans?
The Checkatrade trophy is already on the agenda, the question was more to do with albies opinion that the Championship would be floated off and Prem B teams would start to fill the lower leagues.
Ah okay, well raising that issue is certainly important because as much as they've said "this isn't the thin end of the wedge" umpteen times, it is hard to believe them due to this continued feature of U21 sides in the Checkatrade.
what this thread really needs is a tutorial on how to quote just the parts of a previous message to which your latest post is responding, rather than the entire discussion....
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SM,
The post was intended as speculation on what MAY happen down the line.
As such, there are lots of variables that might change the outcome, so it is better to say that it is possible development in future years.
I was not saying that I think "B" teams will gain entry to L1/L2. Too much disruption to the pyramid hierarchy.
It is more likely that a mechanism to by-pass the lower leagues will be preferred.
So, for example, play-offs between the winners of a "B" league and the eligible promotion contenders from L1/L2 might be considered.
All of which Shaun Harvey will deny, under the banner of "nothing like this is under consideration"...missing out the important"yet".
If you really want some questions to put to Shaun Harvey, you could do worse than take some of the points from here;
Harvey Headbanger – the EFL chief presses on even though his plans lie in ruins | The Ugly Game (https://theuglygame.wordpress.com/2017/03/03/harvey-headbanger-the-efl-chief-presses-on-even-though-his-plans-lie-in-ruins/)
Good luck with that!
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I was not saying that I think "B" teams will gain entry to L1/L2. Too much disruption to the pyramid hierarchy.
you dismiss that almost as if it would be some sort of valid consideration when set alongside an alternative of PL clubs standing to make a bit more cash - i think you overestimate the sense of common decency and concern for the wellbeing of the integrity of the game at L1/L2 level amongst its administrators by a factor of - ooooooh - a really, really big number....
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albie,
I realise the post was speculation and opinion, and as I said before I doubt anything of that sort will occur. There are numerous reasons, not the least that any changes made would need FA approval and with the current construct that will not happen either. The National Game is immensely strong inside the FA Council and they don't want their game tinkering with either. They are the grey suits, and believe me, they can wield power when they want to.
SH can offer whatever opinion he chooses too but ultimately he has no control over that section of the game either, and I stated on this very forum that his Whole Game Solution would fail for that very reason, and it did. Its OK having the ideas, carrying them through when you involve other sections of the footballing world can prove impossible.
We're not short of questions for our next meeting, and surprisingly to some, they, the EFL, have been very constructive and supportive in certain areas. At a time like this though, with crisis clubs cropping up all over the place at the minute, I think the Checkatrade trophy might take a back seat, or at least drop down the pecking order somewhat.
It will be interesting for sure!
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SM,
Sorry have only just read this thread. Is it relevant to ask Mr Harvey that seeing as the Premier League can cap most admission prices at £30, why can the EFL, and Championship in particular still set their pricing levels whatever they want. There are still several Championship teams who charge over this amount which seems ridiculous that they charge more than the Premiership ?
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SM,
Sorry have only just read this thread. Is it relevant to ask Mr Harvey that seeing as the Premier League can cap most admission prices at £30, why can the EFL, and Championship in particular still set their pricing levels whatever they want. There are still several Championship teams who charge over this amount which seems ridiculous that they charge more than the Premiership ?
Its a difficult subject. Of course after quite a few years of campaigning we in the FSF finally persuaded the PL to cap away ticket prices. We went for £20 but got £30 as a starting point. However due to another bargaining chip that we had Southampton capped ticket prices for away fans at £20 this season and on 2 weekends running Virgin Media refunded every away fan in the country by £10 enabling them to watch PL football for £20. That cost them in the region of £2.2m. But the PL can do it because ticket revenue plays a much smaller contribution to the overall income of PL clubs than is the case elsewhere. Not only that but the significance of the extra revenue from the Sky TV deal gave us the argument that they wouldn't be losing anything at all.
Unfortunately the story is not the same in the EFL. They dont have the TV revenues of the PL and ticket income is the major contributor for most clubs. The pricing in the PL is not a natural price, its subsidised. The price in the EFL is not. However that doesn't excuse some of the prices we see in the Championship, or even in LG1. We will be campaigning against specific clubs over the next season or two and we will be aiming at those clubs who are abusing the loyalty of their support. The Yorkshire division of the FSF feel very strongly about this and will be leading on this particular campaign.
Having said all that, SH will also state that they are not a governing body and that he can't impose anything on the 72 clubs in the EFl. which is partly true. The EFL are just a competition organiser and have very little in the way of governance control. Watch this space.