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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on November 26, 2017, 09:35:35 am
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Two cup games with different teams being fielded a distinct possibility,and with a different level of importance to a lot of supporters,one a competition where the inclusion of top teams demean the competition,and one where the top teams find a chore and do demean the competition themselves,not taking it seriously until the later rounds.
Back to us,to me both games are important because if we go out of both realistically,apart from survival in division one thats season over,and momentum on and off the field probably stalled for a couple of months.
And importantly,the prize money from both competitions could come in handy in January with regard to bringing in a couple of players.
None of the games will be easy,the level of importance to Scunthorpe may be lower than ours considering their league position,but with a big pay day a possibility I doubt it,but I would like them to rest Bishop please,although I enjoy watching him play.
Rochdale on the other hand may see it as a chance for glory,and play a strong team on Tuesday,against what I expect us to field a much changed young side.
So, What would your line up be Tuesday?
Have you fallen out with both competitions ?
Does the F.A.cup still get you excited ?
Is playing on a Sunday upseting your weekend plans to go to the Game?
Do these two games have any bearing on Fergies future plans at the club,and the pressure he is under from some sections of our supporters ?
If we win on Tuesday,will you take more interest in the future rounds?
Lets have some good banter guys,a lot to discuss.
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I don't like the format of the Checkatrade but I do appreciate it gives opportunities to our youngsters.
I am very hacked off with the FA Cup game being on Sunday, although neither club had any say in it. However I will be there.
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We should pick sides capable of winning, and go balls out to win both. Cup runs are great, and the extra games allow for other players to get a chance.
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will the crowd against Scunny be affected by the BBC putting it on a sunday, and if so would we get compensated?
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We might get some money for the amount of highlights but who decides the fixture dates, the BBC or the FA??
And no, I doubt the attendance would be affected too much.
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don`t know what Premier league games are on next Sunday, but i would think it will affect the crowd.
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We might get some money for the amount of highlights but who decides the fixture dates, the BBC or the FA??
And no, I doubt the attendance would be affected too much.
There's a set fee for games moved to Sunday for highlights. Nothing like as much for a live game though.
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The importance of the Scunthorpe cup game has been well covered in an earlier thread (when the draw was made)
Personally, I would sooner us get knocked out of both these cups if it made us able to concentrate on the league. As I posted in the previous thread, let's say we beat SKitsonhorpre then get Man Utd away in the third round. What will that do to our form? We saw what happened when we drew Aresenal away in the league cup
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Man Unt. away would be early January leaving us with a nice lump sum to invest in loan signings. Especially if we beat them in a replay.😉
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I don't mind progressing in either, but neither are a priority.
At Rochdale we should probably field a similar side to what we've done already in that competition. Likewise for the Scunthorpe game, with a side similar to what played at Ebbsfleet, even though we're underdogs.
If any of the kids do well at Rochdale, they deserve a squad place at least for Scunny IMO.
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I would rather help engender a winning mentality.. Go for it in both games and hopefully run that form into the league..
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M.F.D. would you make it part of the call for a management change if we do lose both games,I agree with IDM try and win both cup games.
There could be a lot of money at stake,the chance to fund a couple of new players hopefully on full time contracts to the club and not loanees.
It will not be easy but is doable,without affecting our league form,and could inspire us to better form all round.
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M.F.D. would you make it part of the call for a management change if we do lose both games,I agree with IDM try and win both cup games.
There could be a lot of money at stake,the chance to fund a couple of new players hopefully on full time contracts to the club and not loanees.
It will not be easy but is doable,without affecting our league form,and could inspire us to better form all round.
No I wouldn't.
Personally, I would make as many changes as the competition allows for the Rochdale game. Play the kids because it really doesn't matter.
For the Scunthorpe game, I wouldn't play Copps or Marquis. Give them both a rest for games that really matter. I'd bring in Marosi, Ben Khemis and Allcock, because in the bigger scheme of things it doesn't matter that much if we get knocked out.
The league is the only thing that matters
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The Rochdale team will be the usual mixture of youth and fringe players. No reason not to play our strongest available XI v the Scunny Bunnies as we have a six-day break until the next match.
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Idler I have to disagree with your text. It’s not IFwe beat them ITS WHEN
If nothing else Rochdale should get A Beestin a start
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Sorry M.F.D.I dont think many of our supporters would agree with you, and it looks narrow minded and lacking in ambition and confidence to me.
I can accept losing (well I try To) but I expect my club to try and win every game they play,give their best,and the management to have the attitude that they want to win every game.
I agree that we should mix the team a little for the Rochdale tie, and expect us to do so,but that does not mean picking a team that cannot compete at the level required to win the tie.
If we then go on to lose and have given it a go,then so what,but if you go with the idea it does not matter, you short change the few fans who go to the game,and they do not deserve that.
The only thing that matters to me is the respect my club has
from other teams supporters, something that was brought home to me in the Richardson era when supporters of this club won admiration and respect for fighting for what was right in spite of provocation.
The minute we become billy big b*llocks at our level we will lose that, and become just another club on the make.
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How anyone can say the FA Cup doesn't matter astounds me.
It is still the greatest Cup competition in the world.
A Cup run gives everyone a lift up, brings media coverage to the Club and puts the town firmly on the map.
Also if we got one of the top teams away from home the club can make 3,4 or even £500.000 from one match.
If all of the above doesn't matter then I quite frankly despair. :facepalm:
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When I was a very young lad we drew Bristol City at home in the FACup third round.
They had John Atteyo who was their big star centre forward in their team, he had been an England player.
I had been a Rovers fan for all of two seasons at the time but the fixture captured the imagination of lots of boys in my school and we all went to see the match, which we drew 2-2 by the way.
Many of the boys who went that day are still Rovers fans.
Imagine if that was to happen again this season if we drew a big club in round three.
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Fred Taylor, a product of our youth team scored a cracking second goal to put us 2-1 up.
We conceded late goals even in those days and then lost the replay.
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As an aside - v Rochdale tomorrow - how is it settled if a Draw at 90 minutes ?
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How anyone can say the FA Cup doesn't matter astounds me.
It is still the greatest Cup competition in the world.
A Cup run gives everyone a lift up, brings media coverage to the Club and puts the town firmly on the map.
Also if we got one of the top teams away from home the club can make 3,4 or even £500.000 from one match.
If all of the above doesn't matter then I quite frankly despair. :facepalm:
You only have to look at the crowds for FA Cup matches to see how much it matters to most fans/clubs.
I would like us to win both cup games and every league game to the end of the season, but it's not going to happen.
My point is, the league is much more important than any cup competition. I would much sooner us have beaten Scunny in the league and lose to them in the cup than the other way round
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There are 26 more league games to go - plenty of opportunities to concentrate on the league methinks..
Different matter if there were only a handful of games left and promotion or relegation was a distinct possibility..
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As an aside - v Rochdale tomorrow - how is it settled if a Draw at 90 minutes ?
Straight to penalties. I think extra time only applies in the Final and possibly the semis.
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When I was a very young lad we drew Bristol City at home in the FACup third round.
They had John Atteyo who was their big star centre forward in their team, he had been an England player.
I had been a Rovers fan for all of two seasons at the time but the fixture captured the imagination of lots of boys in my school and we all went to see the match, which we drew 2-2 by the way.
Many of the boys who went that day are still Rovers fans.
Imagine if that was to happen again this season if we drew a big club in round three.
I was at that match as well (18000+ were there), and as I recall Bristol City scored in the first and last minute, and we dominated most of the time between. The replay meant that Alick's third game back after 7 years out was at Ashton gate where he had broken his leg so badly. By the way, Bristol City were beaten 6-1 at Sunderland in the next round.
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Scunthorpe look to have sold about 750 tickets for the cup tie up to yesterday,I was hoping for a few more but with the rest of the week to go its not bad I suppose.
Lets hope that Gary Alexander gets the manager of the month award,and the usual dip occurs.
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Scunthorpe do not play this week so their first team will be ready for Sunday. Rochdale who won their group don’t play while Monday night.
We must make sure our first team players are ready for Sunday. Therefore Marquis should be not used tonight. Houghton is not playing tonight and is at Chelsea rehab, feeling his knee.
I know that DF wants use more of his experienced players tonight.
Therefore Baudry, Alcock, Toffolo, Blair, Kongolo, Ben Khemis, Mandeville and Beestin.
Are Walker, Fielding and Jones available?
Is Longbottom fit ?
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Scunthorpe do not play this week so their first team will be ready for Sunday. Rochdale who won their group don’t play while Monday night.
We must make sure our first team players are ready for Sunday. Therefore Marquis should be not used tonight. Houghton is not playing tonight and is at Chelsea rehab, feeling his knee.
I know that DF wants use more of his experienced players tonight.
Therefore Baudry, Alcock, Toffolo, Blair, Kongolo, Ben Khemis, Mandeville and Beestin.
Are Walker, Fielding and Jones available?
Is Longbottom fit ?
I don't know why Steve, but whenever i see one of your posts i think of an EPC report. :scarf:
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As an aside - v Rochdale tomorrow - how is it settled if a Draw at 90 minutes ?
Straight to penalties. I think extra time only applies in the Final and possibly the semis.
You mean the winner doesn't get two points for drawing and winning a shoot-out? Ridiculous!
All this "concentrate on the league" cobblers is just that, cobblers! Are teams not concentrating on the league for 46 games over a nine month period?
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I quite fancy us tonight,so I've had a little Barney Rubble on us win and Khemis to score...But what people are saying is right,this doesn't matter...
I disagree with the Scunny game though..That does matter..Somebody mentioned a away day at Old Trafford..In the fa cup that's big money and wouldn't just fund a couple of loan signing but put us a different level for next season we cant sniff at anything that helps financially..
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Steve,Marosi should play if fit and Garrett will not suffer from another run out at his age,if only for part of the game.
Dont forget that so many of the team have to be involved in the previous league fixture,but I would like to see Fielding involved if possible.
Decent prize money on offer tonight as well,which I would think Rochdale will be eyeing just as much as ourselves.
It will not hurt Beestin to have another run out for at least part of the game,the same as Garrett,the more they get used to first team football the better.
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How about:
Marosi
Alcock, Baudry, Garrett, Toffolo
Mason
Blair, Whiteman, Kongolo
Beestin, Mandeville
Bench:
Jones/Lawlor, Amos, Fielding, Ben Khemis, Fletcher, James, Marquis
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like the look of your team for this game Dutch.
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I think Beestin deserves a go in both games
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Like the look of that, Dutch. Maybe Ben Khemis in for Kongolo? Suppose we'll see in a few hours won't we.
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I think it would be extremely risky to play both Garrett and Toffolo in the team, rather one in and one on the bench.
I also think Ben Khemis will play, maybe alongside Beestin and the two just behind Mandeville.
Marosi
Alcock
Baudry
Toffolo
Mason
Whiteman
James
Kongolo
Beestin
Ben Khemis
Mandeville
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Like the look of that, Dutch. Maybe Ben Khemis in for Kongolo? Suppose we'll see in a few hours won't we.
Excellent call Monkcaster!
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Well two things stood out tonight,Mandeville was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch,and that Whiteman and Mason are not midfield generals.
We set off like a house on fire,and could have been two up in the first ten minutes,their defenders clearing two off the line with the goalkeeper beaten,and the keeper making two good saves.
Then gradually we lost control in midfield, our passing and service to the front men being very poor,and only Mandeville being able to trouble the Rochdale back four,and being given very little support by anyone around him.He really was on a different level to anyone else.
Ben Khemis did OK but is easily knocked off stride,and was part of a very poor midfield who created nothing for the front runners,the main danger being Mandeville running with the ball and his close control.Blair did well early doors down the right and was unlucky not to score.
I cant comment on their penalty as it was not clear what happened.After that Rochdale had most of the game,but created no clear cut chances,I cannot remember Marosi making a save,although they had a couple of scrambles in front of goal that got cleared.
Mandeville created and took a good goal with Ben Khemis,and we missed a chance to win the game on a break,when Blair and Beestin were two on one on the half way line ,and managed to pass it to their defender.
The penalty shoot out resulted in nine unstoppable penalties and Rowes telegraphed one to the keepers right as usual and we were out.The only kick I think he had after coming on as a substitute 2mins from the end for Whiteman, who looked in a bad way with a leg injury.
Unlucky in the first 15 minutes,our goalkeeper did not make a save of note all the game,yet still we do not have the guile to win the game.
The same weaknesses surfaced again,without Coppinger, Houghton and Rowe in midfield the other players are too weak and are in no way creative enough,or tough enough for this division. McCollough could be the answer, but we also need another who is a spoiler with a bit of class,and a right wing/ full back who can defend.
It is hard to asses Beestin who did nothing,but he did nothing with nothing coming from midfield,only Mandeville putting anything like a decent ball that he could work with for him to have a chance.
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Selby didn’t go last night but our midfield has been poor all season. You say that Mason and Whiteman are not midfield generals no there not otherwise they would be playing in our midfield regularly. Mason has played there maybe three times this season.
You talk about Coppinger and Rowe they have been luxury players this season. They get picked because we do not have any choice, doesn’t mean they have been good. For me Rowe has been the biggest disappointment so far. Coppinger again has all the flicks and tricks but where are the goals and creating chances.
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I quite fancy us tonight,so I've had a little Barney Rubble on us win and Khemis to score...But what people are saying is right,this doesn't matter...
I disagree with the Scunny game though..That does matter..Somebody mentioned a away day at Old Trafford..In the fa cup that's big money and wouldn't just fund a couple of loan signing but put us a different level for next season we cant sniff at anything that helps financially..
I would have thought after a expensive divorce I would have learned by now that when I fancied something the best course of action is to run the other way..!!!!
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I quite fancy us tonight,so I've had a little Barney Rubble on us win and Khemis to score...But what people are saying is right,this doesn't matter...
I disagree with the Scunny game though..That does matter..Somebody mentioned a away day at Old Trafford..In the fa cup that's big money and wouldn't just fund a couple of loan signing but put us a different level for next season we cant sniff at anything that helps financially..
I would have thought after a expensive divorce I would have learned by now that when I fancied something the best course of action is to run the other way..!!!!
Ah but you still had the excitement and the pleasure of the gamble. :thumbsup:
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That goal of Mandevilles was class finishing, run into space,good first touch taking the ball away from the defender,draw the goalkeeper,pass it calmly into the net.I hope the others were watching ,instead of the usual stab four yards in front and then a scramble,and a shot blocked.
We may not see it again,now we are out of this cup.
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On to the Scunthorpe game, a game that will test our home form,and I expect a stronger side to be turned out than last night.
The way Whiteman went off the field I will be surprised if we see him again soon,so a place probably up for grabs. He started behind Copps who was shoved up with Marquis in the first half.
I would bring in Mandeville,but expect the clamour to be for Beestin,the sitting player in mid field could be a problem if Houghton is not fit,in that case I would play Baudry in that position.
This game is very important if we are to extend some interest to after Christmas in a cup competition,or just play out the season in the bottom half of the league 1.Knowing us we will do an Exeter again and blow a fortune away in the next round.
At least we will have the pleasure of watching Bishop go about the field exhibiting the type of experienced mid field destroyer we could do with,getting the ball and giving it ten yards to someone who can play.
Whats your take on this game?
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I really dislike Bishop selby but i would love him to be our player.
If only we had one like him eh.
On the P v O thread i have gone for a Rovers win, mainly because that is what i want rather than what i truly expect.
Even if we pick our strongest available eleven i somehow doubt that we will be good enough to beat Scunny on the day when i consider our recent form.
It would be great to get to R3 and get a proper glamour tie.
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I know it might sound daft to suggest it, but it may just be a good time to play Scunthorpe.
They are on the back of 6 consecutive wins in the league,
So 1) Due a defeat & 2) They will now be seriously looking at promotion and just might take their eye off the ball on Sunday.
Or maybe I am grasping at straws and just looking for the positives.
We will see, but one thing is for sure if we play with the same passion as we did in the 2nd half on Saturday against MK Dons and we do it for 90 + mins then we will win. The key is 90+ mins as we are yet to produce it this season.
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Alfie May posted something on Instagram to the effect that he's raring to go for Sunday. I think he could well be on the bench.
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Yes I agree I would play Baudry in Houghton's position if he is not fit.
If he is I would try Baudry at right back as I personally do ot think Mason or Alcock are good enough at this level and Blair is not a full back and clearly does not enjoy playing as a wing back either.
You could see that at Wigan ( he was looking at DF for some help )
None forthcoming I may add and I felt desperately sorry for him as he was at times made to look silly 2 on 1 situations time after time.
If you play Blair then it has to be a right midfielder where he can attack and not have to do as much defending. Problem is centre midfield is too weak to play a four across the middle hence the diamond we have to play.
My Team for Sunday:
Lawler
Baudry. Wright. Butler. Garrett
Houghton
Blair Rowe
Coppinger
Mandeville. Marquis
Subs: Marosi, Alcock, Mason, Toffolo, Kongolo, Ben Kemis, Beestin.
Yes it is an attacking formation but with what we have available and assuming Whiteman is not fit, then I would go with that line up.
Any thoughts ?
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Garrett is left back. I don't know why he move to the right when I sent the post.
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According to the Scunny forum it looks like they are going to bring a 1500 plus crowd so there should be a good cup atmosphere for this game.
I hope our home crowd respond to the cheap ticket offer and attend in good numbers, and the team give us something to shout about. We have not had a good cup run for too long now.Its time to pull our finger out and have a good go.
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I too watched last night and have little to add to Selby's good report . The first 10 minutes promised so much with free movement then they all seemed to get their notebooks out and check where they should be standing because from then on they were never adventurous . Mandy must have felt as isolated as Marquis usually is . A word of mention for Butler who upon entering the field as sub ,marshalled the back line and we improved . A mention for Toffolo too last night .. Ugh !
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According to the Scunny forum it looks like they are going to bring a 1500 plus crowd so there should be a good cup atmosphere for this game.
I hope our home crowd respond to the cheap ticket offer and attend in good numbers, and the team give us something to shout about. We have not had a good cup run for too long now.Its time to pull our finger out and have a good go.
Just bought mine online, and looking at the availability in each block I estimate there are over 6000 seats left. Given the extended away end and segregation probably allows for around 4500 seats, this means I reckon we have sold 4000-4500??
With a couple of days to go I reckon that will mean an attendance of about 6500, not too bad?
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The weather as it is will not be helping,but with a clear slightly warmer day forcast for Sunday,there may be a few sales on the walk up,if you can buy on the day that is.
I have not heard any news on Houghtons fitness for Sunday,hopefully he will play as I think he will be crucial to us in mid field, in the home game earlier in the season Scunthorpe attacked down our right flank at every opportunity where we were over run.Bishop nullified Coppinger and their back four dished it out physically,and I am expecting much the same.
If we match that side of their game and can settle down to play we have a chance.Since the game at Scunthorpe when they brushed us aside,they have dished it out to us,including to the youngsters in the Cheka Trade game this season. It will not be a game for shrinking violets. Thankfully we seem able to handle that side of the game much better now.
They are very strong down the middle in defence, and are good on the counter attack, it could be a great match to watch if we are up for it.
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Scunthorpe have sold 1626 tickets for the game and with pay on the day may touch 2000,a great effort.I dont know how many we have sold, but it should be a decent atmosphere.
Both teams are expecting a hard contested game,lets hope it is.and the outcome is a win for The Rovers.
I hope you enjoy it guys.
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I hope to fulfill an ambition tomorrow and see Matt Gilks( the goalkeeper that always seemed to thwart us for Blackpool) and Bishop have a poor game against us.
Gilks always seems to be in the way even when he Knows nothing about it, I have seen him hit in the face,on his shoulder,and make terrific saves against us.And Bishop,well is just Bishop,putting a foot in,barging into people and looking sinned against,and generally being a thorn in our side,and then suddenly put a great ball through.
As I said I want them to have a poor game against us for a change please,or better still get the trots and dont play. Now that would be us being lucky for a change.
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got a good felling for tomorrow... :scarf:
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“For the Scunthorpe game, I wouldn't play Copps or Marquis. Give them both a rest for games that really matter. I'd bring in Marosi, Ben Khemis and Allcock, because in the bigger scheme of things it doesn't matter that much if we get knocked out.
The league is the only thing that matters”
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WTF planet are you from? You get through to the next round against a big club and our January window is looking for a perminant quality player instead of another young never played wannabe on loan !
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Anyone who thinks th FA cup doesn't matter seriously must be from a different planet.
Of course it matters as I said on a previous post we could draw one of the big guns away and make 3, 4 or even £500.000
from one match.
Budget for January transfer window and or close season next year increases. That will help strengthen the squad so is beneficial for our bread and butter league fixtures which some on here seem to think is all that matters.
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Well we won the one that really mattered......I will take that haha
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I hope to fulfill an ambition tomorrow and see Matt Gilks( the goalkeeper that always seemed to thwart us for Blackpool) and Bishop have a poor game against us.
Gilks always seems to be in the way even when he Knows nothing about it, I have seen him hit in the face,on his shoulder,and make terrific saves against us.And Bishop,well is just Bishop,putting a foot in,barging into people and looking sinned against,and generally being a thorn in our side,and then suddenly put a great ball through.
As I said I want them to have a poor game against us for a change please,or better still get the trots and dont play. Now that would be us being lucky for a change.
Ambition fulfilled?
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Thank you Gilks, you got the ball rolling for us with that mistake, and here I was praising you. And Bishop I enjoyed watching you meet your match today, and you should have walked for that tackle on Coppinger.
To our team including the subs, well played everyone, that’s what you get for everyone playing well, stood up to the physical battle, and were the better football team.
More of that please in the weeks to come, and we will be OK. Tommy Rowe my M.O.M. but I expect that other people would pick others as everyone played well.
A special mention to Lawlor, a magnificent save in the second half, and looked a lot more comfortable with crosses, like the rest of the team played very well.
Now for the excitement of the 3rd round draw, not that often we could say that.
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We have now won £45000 in prize money plus any fee from the T.V. as a featured side today.A win in the 3rd round is worth £67000,not to be sniffed at plus any T.V. money.
We have done OK in the cups this year,makes a pleasant change to being out of everything in early November,it just shows what avoiding Oldham in the draw can do,and it has been warmer.
That bridge we talked about crossing a couple of weeks ago,and how teams set off to bully us with the physical stuff has well and truly been crossed.This young side have learnt how to look after themselves now and will be a handful for most teams from now on.