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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: The Red Baron on December 04, 2017, 08:40:05 pm
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGJtlskC4Q
Some real crackers here, included a good selection of Rovers ones.
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The one v Bristol Rovers (at 1 min 43s) is one of my all time favourite Rovers goals
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Definitely a top 5 Rovers player on my list.
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Aye. He might be a first rate bell end, but I think he’s my favourite Rovers player since Snod.
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Some cracking strikes there from a cracking player with the best left foot I’ve seen in the flesh.
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I'll have to take your word for that, I've only ever seen it with a boot and sock on.
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Because of how he left us there is a bad taste, however he was a superb player and really should be considered as a Rovers legend.
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Just like Jim Beresford should be considered a reputable former Rovers Director , I don’t think so .
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Undoubtedly one of the best and most influential players we've ever had. Just a shame he was such a d**khead off the pitch. That goal against Bristol Rovers is still one of the most brilliant bits of skill I've seen from a Rovers player. Let's not forget him taking the game by the scruff of the neck away at Mansfield, either. Him and Blundell were unplayable that day.
Unusually for a flair player, he always turned up when it counted, apart from when the CPS asked him to.
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I never met the guy, MachoMadness. Was he really a d**khead?
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Because of how he left us there is a bad taste, however he was a superb player and really should be considered as a Rovers legend.
No. Cult hero, for sure. Legend, not quite.
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Well, he gave the impression of being a bit arrogant and a bit of a big time Charlie but he had the ability to back it up. He definitely raised the bar in terms of the standard of football.
Whatever people might say of McIndoe the man, the player was a cut above. His workrate was phenomenal.
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Because of how he left us there is a bad taste, however he was a superb player and really should be considered as a Rovers legend.
No. Cult hero, for sure. Legend, not quite.
It's a semantics argument but for me, he's neither. Didn't do enough to be considered a "legend" in my eyes and "cult hero" tends to refer to someone who the fans really took to heart in their time here. McIndoe was never quite that for me, and the manner of his departure left a bad taste as Hound said.
People like Rob Jones and maybe Jamie Paterson are fit for the cult hero status at DRFC for me. McIndoe is one of the best players I've seen in a Rovers shirt but I'd not stretch to call him a legend.
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He was symbolic of our team in that era - someone who'd try hard each week and have bucket loads of potential, yet ultimately have a limit to how far he realistically can go at the same time as well.
Legend? Cult hero? I wouldn't throw words any particular words to describe him, but it'd be foolish for anyone to deny the impact he had in his three years with us and his departure, irrespective of the rights or wrongs of it, came at the right time for both parties.
It's easy to forget that a certain James Coppinger, really came out of the shadows following McIndoe's move elsewhere, when just a few months earlier it looked like he might be the one heading out of the door instead (to Rotherham on loan, if I recall correctly).
I'm sure McIndoe would get a warm reception if he was ever invited back to a game, but once word spread about his whereabouts for that day, he'd probably get a reception of a different kind from the lynch mob of ex pros waiting outside the stadium for him after the game.
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He didnt get a good reception when he came to play against us last time.
He was booed every time he got the ball.
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The number of young Rovers fans with McIndoe on the back during the mid noughties might give an indication as to his popularity at that time. Love him or loathe him in terms of personality, on the pitch he was one of the most successful signings in my 30 years watching Rovers at that time. Maybe his end made him an anti hero don't know but he was certainly a massive success in his time with us. Left league two opposition players chasing shadows in his first year.
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He's been saying on twitter that looking back he wishes he could have stopped longer at Rovers as he loved his time here but had to go because of his relationship with Dave Penney...Cant remember that one,can anyone remember what they fell out about??
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Rose tinted specs guys.
Whilst a great player on his day, was extremely frustrating watching him jump out of tackles everytime someone went near him.
One of the most nesh players I've seen
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Met macca at a retford branch supporters do he had the most good looking girl on his arm,Iasked him could i have photo please to which he agreed the problem was he wanted to be on it.
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Aye I’d be more than a bit aware of what’s around me with people trying to break my legs every time they got relatively close to me. I actually thought he was pretty good at anticipating what was coming and riding the challenges that came his way, which is illustrated in a couple of those goals on the clip.
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McIndoe was a pointer to the way that modern football has developed.
Go back and watch videos of us from 2003/04. Watch how many times players hoicked balls 50-70 yards, miles up in the air. The Mansfield match is a classic for that.
Then watch McIndoe. Watch how rarely he wasted possession. He was the first Rovers player I’d ever seen combine forward drive (always his first instinct) with careful decision-making. He seemed to never get his final ball wrong - even if it was just a 10 years pass inside, he’d always find his man and never with the “I’m under pressure so im going to unload and give you a hospital pass” decision. Every time the ball came to him, you knew that we’d be moving towards the danger area. And the noise in the ground rose by 10dB the moment he got the ball.
Nowhere close to Coppinger’s skill level. But consistently more direct and dangerous in what he produced.
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He must have been a nightmare to play against. The pace of him and Greg Blundell breaking and knowing that McIndoe was capable of going all the way and finishing on his own.
We were so dangerous when defending in our own box to suddenly break and as BST says it wasn't just a big lump upfield. It was a joy to watch, and Simon Marples marauding down the right. Great days and great memories.
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Didn't we get a six-figure sum for Blundell when we sold him to Chester.
It's a shame that his replacement, a freebie from Newcastle by the name of Lewis Guy, turned out to be one of the biggest wasters that would have two good months (August and April) in an entire season.
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Because of how he left us there is a bad taste, however he was a superb player and really should be considered as a Rovers legend.
No. Cult hero, for sure. Legend, not quite.
It's a semantics argument but for me, he's neither. Didn't do enough to be considered a "legend" in my eyes and "cult hero" tends to refer to someone who the fans really took to heart in their time here. McIndoe was never quite that for me, and the manner of his departure left a bad taste as Hound said.
People like Rob Jones and maybe Jamie Paterson are fit for the cult hero status at DRFC for me. McIndoe is one of the best players I've seen in a Rovers shirt but I'd not stretch to call him a legend.
Agree with that RA. Much loved cult heroes for me include the likes of Charlie Williams, Alick Jeffrey, Laurie Sheffield, Albert Broadbent, Alan Little, Alan Warboys, Colin Douglas, Ian & Glyn Snodin, Gary Brabin, Tim Ryan, Greg Blundell, James Coppinger..............
Some of those were also football geniuses or legends - Jeffrey, Ian Snodin, Coppinger for example
Don't quite see MM on either list
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Didn't we get a six-figure sum for Blundell when we sold him to Chester.
It's a shame that his replacement, a freebie from Newcastle by the name of Lewis Guy, turned out to be one of the biggest wasters that would have two good months (August and April) in an entire season.
Difficult to say, but I always equated the money reaped for Blundell as being spent on Heffernan, and for that reason I saw Heffs more as Blundells replacement. I agree Guy was potentially more a similar type of player to Blundell than Heffs ever was.
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Didn't we get a six-figure sum for Blundell when we sold him to Chester.
It's a shame that his replacement, a freebie from Newcastle by the name of Lewis Guy, turned out to be one of the biggest wasters that would have two good months (August and April) in an entire season.
Difficult to say, but I always equated the money reaped for Blundell as being spent on Heffernan, and for that reason I saw Heffs more as Blundells replacement. I agree Guy was potentially more a similar type of player to Blundell than Heffs ever was.
The money was certainly spent on Heffernan for an 'attacking' replacement and I think it was a similar sort of transfer fee going from memory.
Player-wise, the most like for like player to Blundell was definitely Lewis Guy.
In that summer transfer window in 2005, we actually splashed out on quite a few players. I believe that Heffernan, McGuire (from Aberdeen), Thornton, Budtz and Steve Roberts all required a transfer fee.
Then there was the trialists done good such as Sean McDaid and Uros Predic, who were a damn sight better than the trialists from the previous year (Guy Ipoua and Nic Priet).
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Say what you want about Guy but he made a lasting contribution to our return to the Championship and I don't think Blundell would have ever bagged any goals at that level.
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Blundell would run through a brick wall. Guy would find something to trip up over one a perfectly combed lawn. They were both quick but that’s about where the comparison ends.
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Guy's career with us went downhill pretty quickly but I think a lot of people have short memories - he and Heffs formed a decent partnership for a time and he had several good games in the Championship for us. For one reason or another he completely lost the plot by the end of his time but he wasn't always so bad.
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No. He wasn’t always bad.
But he was always a cheat.
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Lewis Guy had bags of raw pace and potential, yet failed to deliver the end product often enough.
Shame he would also go down easier than a 5 dollar hooker in the Vietnam war...
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I agree with Nick, and to my original point, Guy scored a couple of really important goals for us in the Championship and they were goals that no one else in our squad at the time could score. He was nowhere near as good as he should have been but he made a contribution at least.
It's alright saying he was always a cheat because he went to ground easily BST, but I'm afraid two of our best current players do it just as much - Marquis and especially Rowe are notorious for trying to buy fouls off the refs by flopping to the floor.
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RA.
I agree with your comments on Rowe. He frequently infuriates me. I have more sympathy for Marquis because he puts his body on the line most matches and gets lumps kicked out of him. Guy rarely did that. His first policy was to look for the dive before he got hit.
It was a shame because the lad had lots of talent. I could watch his pass to Hefernan for the second goal against Villa in the League Cup all night. Although I'd never really appreciated until seeing the video in the OP that Hefernan's pass to McIndoe for the first goal against Arsenal was even better. Great days.
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Another of my abiding memories of Lewis Guy is when he was played through into a one-on-one in an away game at Northampton.
From where he received the ball there was still plenty to do and there was a collective sort of murmuring groans of 'Oh no, not Guy' as he raced towards goal - half of us expecting him to miss, half expecting him to go down, and one or two with memories of Guy Ipoua in the same situation at Luton a couple of years earlier.
The biggest surprise was that, for once, Guy actually scored - and it was a pretty good finish as well, IIRC.
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I think comparisons between Guy and Blundell are not miles off in style of play. Both relied on pace and both couldn’t finish. The difference being Blundell would keep running through them and shooting. But Guy preferred to fall over instead of pass or shoot in possession.
Back to Macca - definitely deserved cult hero status for me. He is a symbol of the rebirth of the club for me. I picked up following the Rovers from my dad and for the first ten years of my supporting career people laughed at someone from Scarborough supporting such a shit team. He was fundemental in our big cup run and promotional season that made us a team to be reckoned with. I was gutted when he left.
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Thing is with Macca, cult hero or legend, I can't think of another play in the last 40yrs, that got the fans as excited when he picked up the ball and just ran at defenders. When he flew past the Pop Side in full flow the fans where on their tip toes screaming.
Players have come, players have gone, yet none of them have come close to the Macca effect.
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Zigger Zagger.
If you’re going back that far, I’d say Glynn had a similar effect. You expected something to happen when he got the ball and drive forward.
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BST
Have to agree on that. If fact we were only saying a few weeks ago how Andrews reminded us older ones of Glynn. Can defend and attack using his head. Loved Timothy to bits, played with his heart on his sleeve, but not same as Glynn.
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RA.
I agree with your comments on Rowe. He frequently infuriates me. I have more sympathy for Marquis because he puts his body on the line most matches and gets lumps kicked out of him. Guy rarely did that. His first policy was to look for the dive before he got hit.
It was a shame because the lad had lots of talent. I could watch his pass to Hefernan for the second goal against Villa in the League Cup all night. Although I'd never really appreciated until seeing the video in the OP that Hefernan's pass to McIndoe for the first goal against Arsenal was even better. Great days.
Aye agree with all of that BST, good summation.
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It's such a shame that he turned out to be a total knob as a person. Because I'm struggling to think of a player who got the crowd excited so much when he got the ball in the 41 years I've been going. Who else is there? Was Glynn really that kind of player? I don't recall it if he was. I remember Kieron Brady being a similar type but he only lasted about 3 games on loan. Ian Miller I loved but he was a different kind of player. Who else had that 'wow' factor?
He seemed to be a model professional too while with us. Never injured, always wanted the ball, always looked fit and full of energy. Not sure what he was like in the dressing room or with Penney etc but from what I saw he always seemed like a player I was proud represented us/me. How wrong I was it turned out, but you can't argue with his talent. For that goal against the Arse I was on the Cowshed end - I still can't believe how it squeezes in every time I see it.
For me he's only short of legend status by his off-field antics.
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He must have been a nightmare to play against. The pace of him and Greg Blundell breaking and knowing that McIndoe was capable of going all the way and finishing on his own.
We were so dangerous when defending in our own box to suddenly break and as BST says it wasn't just a big lump upfield. It was a joy to watch, and Simon Marples marauding down the right. Great days and great memories.
Funnily enough, I’ve occasionally woken up in a cold sweat, from a nightmare where I’m a Div 3 centre half in Autumn 2003, I’ve got the ball at my feet on the edge of the box. And I look up to see McIndoe, Blundell and Green converging on me. With Chucky faces. And my legs stop working.
So aye. I suspect he WAS a nightmare to play against.
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He must have been a nightmare to play against. The pace of him and Greg Blundell breaking and knowing that McIndoe was capable of going all the way and finishing on his own.
We were so dangerous when defending in our own box to suddenly break and as BST says it wasn't just a big lump upfield. It was a joy to watch, and Simon Marples marauding down the right. Great days and great memories.
Funnily enough, I’ve occasionally woken up in a cold sweat, from a nightmare where I’m a Div 3 centre half in Autumn 2003, I’ve got the ball at my feet on the edge of the box. And I look up to see McIndoe, Blundell and Green converging on me. With Chucky faces. And my legs stop working.
So aye. I suspect he WAS a nightmare to play against.
That's before the part of your nightmare where Big Leo has his hands, arms and legs wrapped around you at a set piece, desperately wanting to get a touch of the ball.
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It's such a shame that he turned out to be a total knob as a person. Because I'm struggling to think of a player who got the crowd excited so much when he got the ball in the 41 years I've been going. Who else is there? Was Glynn really that kind of player? I don't recall it if he was. I remember Kieron Brady being a similar type but he only lasted about 3 games on loan. Ian Miller I loved but he was a different kind of player. Who else had that 'wow' factor?
He seemed to be a model professional too while with us. Never injured, always wanted the ball, always looked fit and full of energy. Not sure what he was like in the dressing room or with Penney etc but from what I saw he always seemed like a player I was proud represented us/me. How wrong I was it turned out, but you can't argue with his talent. For that goal against the Arse I was on the Cowshed end - I still can't believe how it squeezes in every time I see it.
For me he's only short of legend status by his off-field antics.
My memory says that Glynn had that wow factor. But it’s a long time back.
Thing about McIndoe was that he was driven. Every single time he got the ball, you knew he was going to drive forwards. None of this Tiki-Taka ballacks. Straight at the heart of the opposition. And then the same on the next attack. And the next one. I’ve never seen a player for us who was so relentless.
Maybe that’s a flip side of his drink and drugs and high rolling. Obsessive relentlessness.
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He must have been a nightmare to play against. The pace of him and Greg Blundell breaking and knowing that McIndoe was capable of going all the way and finishing on his own.
We were so dangerous when defending in our own box to suddenly break and as BST says it wasn't just a big lump upfield. It was a joy to watch, and Simon Marples marauding down the right. Great days and great memories.
Funnily enough, I’ve occasionally woken up in a cold sweat, from a nightmare where I’m a Div 3 centre half in Autumn 2003, I’ve got the ball at my feet on the edge of the box. And I look up to see McIndoe, Blundell and Green converging on me. With Chucky faces. And my legs stop working.
So aye. I suspect he WAS a nightmare to play against.
That's before the part of your nightmare where Big Leo has his hands, arms and legs wrapped around you at a set piece, desperately wanting to get a touch of the ball.
No. Never had that one.
Do you want to talk about stuff from your childhood?
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Well chaps, reading through the majority of those posts Macca could well be creeping up to legend status (as a player).
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Will always be a legend in my eyes, he’s my all time favourite rovers player by a long shot, every time he got the ball at his feet it made the hairs on the back of your neck rise because you didn’t know what he would do next with it, Mansfield away was one of the best Rovers games I’ve ever witnessed, like people have mentioned previously.. Macca & Gregg absolutely tore Mansfield apart. Hope the wife has bought me his autobiography for Christmas like I asked haha 😂
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BST - I agree that he must have had that obsessive personality. I remember the club doctor at the time that he had never seen a player so obsessed by getting their body fat %age down. No doubt he worked his nuts off for the side as well as being obviously, and significantly, more talented than the rest of them.
Although I think the term legend is thrown about far too loosely these days, for me a legend is someone who makes a massive impact. Macca was our best player in the first season with his goals, assists, skill and drive inspiring an unexpected title win, and I'm pretty sure he was the division's player of the year. He excelled in the (almost) two seasons he had in League One and was brilliant in the cup run. I know he left under a cloud, and has hardly done himself any favours since, but in just under 3 seasons I could count on one hand the number of games where he was found wanting for either ability or effort.
Definite Rovers legend in my eyes.
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I can still remember the buzz when we signed him. Home and our kid were in New York, in an Internet cafe in Times Square when the news came out. In a second, I’d gone from “Going to be tough surviving next season” to “we could be contenders here.” He made that much difference to that squad. And he was a perfect fit. We had players in Green, Blundell, Leo, Ryan, Ravenhill, Sarge who could physically overwhelm opponents. Imagine trying to match them then seeing McIndoe coming bombing down the wing at you.
No wonder we steamrollered so many sides.
Looking back at it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a side so dominant in their division as we were in that period between mid-Sept and Xmas 2003.
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I can still remember the buzz when we signed him. Home and our kid were in New York, in an Internet cafe in Times Square when the news came out. In a second, I’d gone from “Going to be tough surviving next season” to “we could be contenders here.” He made that much difference to that squad. And he was a perfect fit. We had players in Green, Blundell, Leo, Ryan, Ravenhill, Sarge who could physically overwhelm opponents. Imagine trying to match them then seeing McIndoe coming bombing down the wing at you.
No wonder we steamrollered so many sides.
Looking back at it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a side so dominant in their division as we were in that period between mid-Sept and Xmas 2003.
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I remember finding out as well - was coming back from a family holiday and glanced at a paper in the airport. Tiny article about 6 pages from the back saying we'd signed McIndoe for a fee in the region of £50k. I was convinced it was a typo and we'd signed some Yeovil reserve winger, memories of him terrorising us in that 4-0 home defeat still fresh in my mind!
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I can still remember the buzz when we signed him. Home and our kid were in New York, in an Internet cafe in Times Square when the news came out. In a second, I’d gone from “Going to be tough surviving next season” to “we could be contenders here.” He made that much difference to that squad. And he was a perfect fit. We had players in Green, Blundell, Leo, Ryan, Ravenhill, Sarge who could physically overwhelm opponents. Imagine trying to match them then seeing McIndoe coming bombing down the wing at you.
No wonder we steamrollered so many sides.
Looking back at it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a side so dominant in their division as we were in that period between mid-Sept and Xmas 2003.
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I remember finding out as well - was coming back from a family holiday and glanced at a paper in the airport. Tiny article about 6 pages from the back saying we'd signed McIndoe for a fee in the region of £50k. I was convinced it was a typo and we'd signed some Yeovil reserve winger, memories of him terrorising us in that 4-0 home defeat still fresh in my mind!
It was before Social Media and I was only 13 at the time so didnt really have the internet/social circle I have now. I remember turning up to a pre-season friendly excited to see Leo Fortune-West. Out comes McIndoe and a table, I couldnt believe it!
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Away at Yeovil was an amazing game and buzz, think Ricky Ravenhill got the winner but Macca ran his socks off
BTW still think him leaving was the making of Copps
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Not his goals, but his troubles are behind him...
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-07/former-wolves-and-bristol-city-footballer-michael-mcindoe-to-face-no-action-over-fraud-allegations/
COYR
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I saw that he tweeted announcing that and tagged all the papers in it...and Pop Stand. Then when Glen questioned their inclusion he put:
"Go back to Issue77 published 8 Aug 2015 pg30-31 and reread what was written about me? As an ex-rover who gave his all for your club and loved playing there - are you now going to publish a factual article? Maybe you should read my book #Wildling and take some content from that!"
Talk about chip on his shoulder! And can't resist attempting to shill his book, again. To Glen & James's credit they replied with honest, fair replies and invited him to tell his own side of the story in a future issue. It's clear who the class act(s) is in this one...
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What a player he was, shame we don't have anyone that takes a penalty like him as well.
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Worth a punt?