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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on February 14, 2018, 08:32:06 pm
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We seem to be running De ja vu of 2 years ago - question is stick or twist
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I reckon it will come out 52/48. Not sure which way though.
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I'll answer after the next two home games v Fleetwood & Bury
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b*llocks I voted the one I voted last time :laugh: can you change your vote?
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What purpose will this poll serve?
This forum is a small percentage of our support and maybe not representative.
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I'll answer after the next two home games v Fleetwood & Bury
Do you think he will last that long.
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What purpose will this poll serve?
This forum is a small percentage of our support and maybe not representative.
How else to you gauge opinion? Take a smaller number of the population and get an idea from that.
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When we win on Saturday it will give him another 5 games.
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What purpose will this poll serve?
This forum is a small percentage of our support and maybe not representative.
That's the thing though if you poll 100 people you'll probably get a very close result to polling 10000.
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I'm stay for now though. But the next two games will answer many questions.
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Can we have a 3rd voting option please?
3. This is a futile and unhelpful poll and I disagree with it.
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It’s harmless. It will just give a guide to how this forum’s members are thinking. It will not be an accurate representation of all Rovers supporters though.
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I am not sure much would be gained by sacking him now to be honest. The more relevant question is as TRB has posed, is that when we stay up this season (as I believe is more likely outcome, just) is he the man to take us forward through that five year plan?
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I clicked leave by accident. I had one job! Must be habit voting leave
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If we don’t beat Fleetwood and get well beaten at Rotherham which obviously I hope doesn’t happen then the clamour for his dismissal will be I believe overwhelming. Compared to most clubs I think Rovers fans are very tolerant. But we are not going to accept a repeat of 2016 none of us are wanting to go to Newport or Yeovil next season.
( no disrespect to those 2 clubs )
Enough is enough and I think even this board will run out of patience.
Relegation again would be an unmitigating disaster. It cannot be allowed to happen.
If we beat Fleetwood and put up a good display against Rotherham and then beat Bury, well he will have earned a reprieve.
I still think he must get a grip though on the way he wants to play and stick to it weak in week out otherwise this situation is going to become a recurring theme.
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I think it's only heading one way, you get the sense of a manager after 2 years if he has a vision, a plan, and a style of play. I don't think watching the Rovers this season that I see any of that. The last two games have been abject. It's basically poor viewing compared to most of what we've seen the last 12 years or so. It's just a bit uninspiring. And the trend line under Ferguson is not upward.
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It's difficult for a Manager when he's had three wins on the bounce over Christmas with no goals conceded and then three creditable draws against top teams, to then lose his three central defenders in the space of a week - it's not easy to cope with that and bring in similar replacements when the budget is tight. Give the man a break and get behind the team, we'd all like to see more attacking play, with Blair and Rowe in more advanced positions, but we just don't have the personnel to fill the gaps and allow this at the moment. The season is now about avoiding relegation and achieving a mid table position if possible and going again next season. Other teams like Leeds and Wednesday change their manager at the drop of hat - I'd like to think that we are better than that!
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As with the Brexit vote, it's "Remain" for me.
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As with the Brexit vote, it's "Remain" for me.
Its go for me, but I don't think it will happen. The board would have to pay Ferguson's contract out, then start again.
There probably isn't enough money in the coffers for new manager/players etc
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It's difficult for a Manager when he's had three wins on the bounce over Christmas with no goals conceded and then three creditable draws against top teams, to then lose his three central defenders in the space of a week - it's not easy to cope with that and bring in similar replacements when the budget is tight. Give the man a break and get behind the team, we'd all like to see more attacking play, with Blair and Rowe in more advanced positions, but we just don't have the personnel to fill the gaps and allow this at the moment. The season is now about avoiding relegation and achieving a mid table position if possible and going again next season. Other teams like Leeds and Wednesday change their manager at the drop of hat - I'd like to think that we are better than that!
We are better than that though aren’t we. He survived one relegation how many relegations are acceptable? Yes I know we are not down or even in the bottom 4 but based on the last 2 matches we WILL GO DOWN. We won’t score goals if we dont create chances and we aren’t going to create many, if any when your two most creative players ( Copps excepted ) are playing at full back or wing backs.
Before someone says we scored 2 at Walsall, well that’s a fat lot of good when your 4-0 down.
DF has a massive motivational job to do this week because if we do not win on Saturday I fear really fear the worst.
He has to abondon the 3 centre back 2 wing backs system, confine it to the dustbin and play 2 proper full backs in Mason and Garrett. McCullough into midfield. With Blair or Copps & Houghton or Whiteman one of those 2 need resting and Rowe. Play Kiwoyma up front with Marquis as Beestin needs a rest also.
If the light hasn’t switched on after that debacle on Tuesday then it never will and we will forever be a team without a plan/system/formation call it what you will.
DF NOW IS THE TIME TO PROVE YOU ARE A MANAGER OF SUBSTANCE. 3 MORE GAMES 6 POINTS or
ON YOUR BIKE. I Can accept draws against FLeetwood and Bury if there are mitigating circumstances,
Such as desperate bad luck or a Ref again who is incompetent and turns down 3 clear cut penalties.
BUT the level of performance has to be there we must see BOTTLE, FIGHT and a team with a playing style and method. :that: :rtid:
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Do we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.
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Some would argue too comfortably we lost the last 4 costing the title
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Yet again it’s all about the manager who does have his faults yet if anybody dares to criticise the board and budget they are jumped upon.
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Can we have a 3rd voting option please?
3. This is a futile and unhelpful poll and I disagree with it.
What do you disagree with entirely?
It's a open forum for people to post there opinion and views on all things DRFC related.
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Do we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.
You were not there on Tuesday quite clearly. If you were I would be flabbergasted at that comment!!!
It’s not the defeat or a draw, I can always accept them as they will happen.
It’s the tacticts, formation and the level of performance we are concerned about.
In all my years of being a fan I have never had a rant like this before. There is a reason for it.
I am a very positive person always a glass half full person. I am only commenting on what I can see out on the field of play.
We have good players Yes we are short of 3 /4 quality players that would turn us into a promotion challenging team but no way should we be getting into a relegation scrap, it’s the manager and coach that’s the problem.
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Can we have a 3rd voting option please?
3. This is a futile and unhelpful poll and I disagree with it.
What do you disagree with entirely?
It's a open forum for people to post there opinion and views on all things DRFC related.
That's probably why he's expressing his opinion that he disagrees.
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The strong differing opinions are remarkable on here some strongly blaming the manager and defending the board others strongly blaming the board and defending the manager, some strongly blaming the players,
Surely it is a bit of all these elements it's a bit weird to blame just one
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The strong differing opinions are remarkable on here some strongly blaming the manager and defending the board others strongly blaming the board and defending the manager, some strongly blaming the players,
Surely it is a bit of all these elements it's a bit weird to blame just one
Yet again it’s all about the manager who does have his faults yet if anybody dares to criticise the board and budget they are jumped upon.
Because your criticisms of the board and budget are based on guesswork and prejudice. Despite the bare facts staring you in the face, and the amount of times I've offered information contrary to your position, you still choose to blame the board and budget for our seeming demise.
Last season the current owners wrote off outstanding loans of £14m. This club is currently in the best financial health during the 50 years that I've been supporting them, yet for some reason known only to yourself it seems that that isn't good enough.
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Do we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.
He also comfortably took us down the year before.
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As did Saunders but the same people are saying he is a hero
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The strong differing opinions are remarkable on here some strongly blaming the manager and defending the board others strongly blaming the board and defending the manager, some strongly blaming the players,
Surely it is a bit of all these elements it's a bit weird to blame just one
Yet again it’s all about the manager who does have his faults yet if anybody dares to criticise the board and budget they are jumped upon.
Because your criticisms of the board and budget are based on guesswork and prejudice. Despite the bare facts staring you in the face, and the amount of times I've offered information contrary to your position, you still choose to blame the board and budget for our seeming demise.
Last season the current owners wrote off outstanding loans of £14m. This club is currently in the best financial health during the 50 years that I've been supporting them, yet for some reason known only to yourself it seems that that isn't good enough.
Martin I am not prejudiced again the board. I want to see more progress with better players at the club, to get them it is not just down to manager. You say the bare facts are staring me in the face. Could you please show me where I can read those facts.
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
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Up until the recent injuries people were happy with results and performances. Since then everyone is going wild.
They can't seem to link the two
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
Kiwomya, Andrews, Mason, Whiteman, extended the contract of Marquis (which you said the board wouldn't do as they'd have to pay £8k a week for) extended Butler's contract. All loaded onto the wage bill. Irrespective of whether you think signing Whiteman or the centre backs was a necessity Steve, they still cost money.
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Yaya forgot about Mason. But in the debate about Marquis I was asked by Martin what I thought we would pay per week I said I thought it would have to be about 8k?
Don’t think I ever said the board wouldn’t pay for his extension. We may have lost him therefore we would had to replace him. Which would have been more expensive for a league 1 proven striker.
I appreciate they cost money but we had to sign players otherwise we would be worse off. We have 19 fit players of so called league standard if we hadn’t signed those three we were in dire street. So they were a necessity.
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Some would argue too comfortably we lost the last 4 costing the title
Some may argue we did well over the course of the 42 previous games prior to them 4
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Do we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.
You were not there on Tuesday quite clearly. If you were I would be flabbergasted at that comment!!!
It’s not the defeat or a draw, I can always accept them as they will happen.
It’s the tacticts, formation and the level of performance we are concerned about.
In all my years of being a fan I have never had a rant like this before. There is a reason for it.
I am a very positive person always a glass half full person. I am only commenting on what I can see out on the field of play.
We have good players Yes we are short of 3 /4 quality players that would turn us into a promotion challenging team but no way should we be getting into a relegation scrap, it’s the manager and coach that’s the problem.
Be flabbergasted if you want, regardless of the result, formation or how we play I think the short term Thinking and “I want it now” culture of supporters and boards alike are part of what is killing the game for me.
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Do we really have to suffer this type of post every time there is a defeat. He bloke took us up comfortably last year.
He also comfortably took us down the year before.
So surely if you were going to sack him it would have been at the end of that season? You sound like my misses when she throws something at me that I did 10 years ago just to win an argument.
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Yaya forgot about Mason. But in the debate about Marquis I was asked by Martin what I thought we would pay per week I said I thought it would have to be about 8k?
Don’t think I ever said the board wouldn’t pay for his extension. We may have lost him therefore we would had to replace him. Which would have been more expensive for a league 1 proven striker.
I appreciate they cost money but we had to sign players otherwise we would be worse off. We have 19 fit players of so called league standard if we hadn’t signed those three we were in dire street. So they were a necessity.
Well if we've extended Marquis' contract it must be for around £8k a week Steve, otherwise it calls into question judgements you've made about the worth of other players, and subsequently the rest of the arguments you've made.
Undoubtedly the other three were a necessity Steve, but they still cost money irrespective of the motivation behind it.
What possibly wasn't a necessity with the loan market open though was to permanently sign one of them for a six-figure sum and load several year's worth of wages onto the playing budget.
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If Marquis is on half that I’d be quite surprised.
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If Marquis is on half that I’d be quite surprised.
I honestly don't know Gaz, I'm just going on what Steve believes are the requirements at this level are.
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All this about budgets and Marquis's salary are nonsense since only the owners and senior management will know exactly what the quantitive element of the budget is and the same with Marquis's salary. Of course the club are going to say the budget is competitive as anything else would be counter productive but in any event what does competitive mean unless it is quantified.
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Again I was a question my opinion that’s where the figure came from now he may not be on that. But the budgets of teams that where in the top six and hence promoted last season were at least twice our league 1 budget, the last time we were in the league. It may be not this year. But I am not privy to that information and facts. Strikers are an expensive commodity and will cost more especially if they had scored 26 goals the previous season.
As for Whiteman only time will tell if it was worth spending but we ought to able to buy are own players. Not just to rely on loans
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
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We signed kiwomya in the summer, we didn't need another centre half, or a left sided midfield player
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?
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Again I was a question my opinion that’s where the figure came from now he may not be on that. But the budgets of teams that where in the top six and hence promoted last season were at least twice our league 1 budget, the last time we were in the league. It may be not this year. But I am not privy to that information and facts. Strikers are an expensive commodity and will cost more especially if they had scored 26 goals the previous season.
As for Whiteman only time will tell if it was worth spending but we ought to able to buy are own players. Not just to rely on loans
Steve, most teams in League One have loan players. The last time we were promoted out of this League, we had loans.
Irrespective of if you or I think Whiteman is/will be worth it, the club has still made the financial commitment and bought him.
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?
Steve if you don't know where we stand this season, then you're not really in a position to question the relative size of the budget.
With all due respect, you're effectively admitting you've no idea what you're talking about.
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Currently I think DF should stay in charge, should he fail at end of season it should be "goodbye" IF suitable replacement can be sourced. I personally think only 1 candidate is approachable ( he is currently employed ) Michael Appleton.
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?
Steve if you don't know where we stand this season, then you're not really in a position to question the relative size of the budget.
With all due respect, you're effectively admitting you've no idea what you're talking about.
Yaya where are the facts that show me where we stand, I can only go on what has been said that we have a competitive budget some have said a top 8 budget.
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Steve,
I'm not sure what list you have had sight of but the figures you are quoting for budgets in LG1 are miles out. Any idea who put that list together?
As for the budget for this season it was stated by David Blunt at the last Meet the Owners that we had a 'competitive budget'. That has since been confirmed at a Supporters Board meeting and was also confirmed to myself by representatives of the EFL when we discussed the topic. Budgets, and the changes to them throughout the season, are communicated to all clubs anonymously at regular periods throughout the season. If you know enough people in football you can soon work out who is where on that list. The only definitive way to confirm that is to wait for each club to produce their annual accounts and see it in black and white, which is something we have done with DRFC for a number of years now.
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There's a lot of nonsense talked about budgets IMO. Accrington Stanley have (I believe) the second smallest playing budget in League Two. They are currently second in the table.
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This manager has been given a competitive budget for this league.
It is up to him to spend it wisely. Has he? That’s up for debate.
Blaming the board is total nonesense. How many owners outside the Premiership have put their hands in their pockets to the level ours have using their own personal money. Not many I can tell you.
Most championship clubs are using parachute payments and or TV money.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. We are one of the best run clubs in the football league.
Where are the facts that show what our budget is. Is it competitive but we couldn’t sign a striker in the summer, we couldn’t sign a left sided centre half we haven’t signed a left sided midfield player.
The last time we were in League 1 it was 4m and that was below mid spending then. Is it more than that?
It was never planned to sign Houghton this season, we signed a loan player Whiteman which was not planned, but if we had not we would have had to bring in another player. It was a necessity.
We had to loan two centre halves but if we had not our predicament would have been worst than it is now. It was a necessity.
The budget we have also include players that we could not get rid of in the summer. You can’t tell me that the young players we have signed have cost the club money. So this season we signed Kiwomya and Andrews. The rest were loans. Hardly spending the money un wisely.
That 4 million was 12th highest which is either mid or top half. It isn't below mid, unless you're shit maths.
Having double checked the charts I saw you are right it was 12th, where do we stand this season?
Steve if you don't know where we stand this season, then you're not really in a position to question the relative size of the budget.
With all due respect, you're effectively admitting you've no idea what you're talking about.
Yaya where are the facts that show me where we stand, I can only go on what has been said that we have a competitive budget some have said a top 8 budget.
Steve, all I've done is outline what the club's done. I've no idea what the budget is, then again as you've just admitted, neither do you which means you can't really critisise the size of it.
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There's a lot of nonsense talked about budgets IMO. Accrington Stanley have (I believe) the second smallest playing budget in League Two. They are currently second in the table.
Don't be saying that to "chris black come back"
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Martin there was bar charts I have seen last week on Twitter they football league endorsed.
On those lists it was 2015/16 for league 1 and 2016/17
On that list
Sheff United had a budget of 11m
Millwall 9m
In 2015 / 2016
We had 4m in about 12th place although there were other teams with the same.
Wigan and Sheff United were top with 10m.
I should have saved it then I could have sent it to you.
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Is this the work of Kieran, otherwise known as Swiss Ramble?
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I think the squad we have should comfortably stay up in this league. Therefore the fact that we are struggling a bit focuses attention on the manager, the style of play,formations etc & on that basis Fergie is failing.
When Dickov got sacked we were 17th, therefore we are only one place better off after all this time (there was also an interim manager of course in between Dickov & Fergie).Let's not forget he wanted to be judged when he had HIS team. Well he has now. So he's failing,sadly.
Losing three centre backs all at once is a bit of a disaster which nobody could predict & it would be a set back for anybody, but that aside I'm not happy that he's our manager, but I don't like changing unless absolutely essential.
I think go at the end of this season, regardless of whether we stay up or not.
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up, all this doom mongering is all about what could happen.
I'll say it again, people were saying they'd be delighted at a midtable finish but they can't handle the journey in achieving it
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I think the squad we have should comfortably stay up in this league. Therefore the fact that we are struggling a bit focuses attention on the manager, the style of play,formations etc & on that basis Fergie is failing.
When Dickov got sacked we were 17th, therefore we are only one place better off after all this time (there was also an interim manager of course in between Dickov & Fergie).Let's not forget he wanted to be judged when he had HIS team. Well he has now. So he's failing,sadly.
Losing three centre backs all at once is a bit of a disaster which nobody could predict & it would be a set back for anybody, but that aside I'm not happy that he's our manager, but I don't like changing unless absolutely essential.
I think go at the end of this season, regardless of whether we stay up or not.
Agreed i don't trust that he is the man to get the most out of the players, i can't think of many (other that Wright) who've improved in the time he's managed us. And isn't that the whole point of what we're trying to do? which i think is the right plan by the board for our club by the way I just can't see a plan or logic behind the on the pitch performances we've had for a long time
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If the season had finished at this date in our previous two relegations we would have stayed up.
The only position that matters is the final one.
I think that the fans have a right to be a bit disappointed in how the players/team performances and results have turned out this year.
I'm not saying sack him but we look a long way from a reliable,solid and settled side. Play Mason and Garrett at full back but have a midfield that can offer them a degree of protection. Keeping a clean sheet garauntees a point and there will always be the odd chance to score and pinch three points. We need a regular system that our players can follow and work with.
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“If the season finished today” ..????
Well it doesn’t.
It is time that the manager understood what the players are capable of and played to their strengths.
He should be able to manage a point per game to keep us up, you would think.
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up, all this doom mongering is all about what could happen.
I'll say it again, people were saying they'd be delighted at a midtable finish but they can't handle the journey in achieving it
Unfortunately it doesn't end now. I've been watching Rovers since 1978 & have seen more ups 'n' downs than fans of most clubs & I'm quite happy to "handle the journey" to get to wherever we end up. I love the fact about watching Rovers that there's always some late season drama.
For me it's more about the way things are being done & how we're playing etc that gets me a bit down, not the final result.
Regardless of who is managing the team I'll still be cheering for a win on Saturday though, that won't change.
It's not doom mongering, I just think Fergies had more than a fair crack of the whip & I'd prefer someone else. Next season.
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up, all this doom mongering is all about what could happen.
I'll say it again, people were saying they'd be delighted at a midtable finish but they can't handle the journey in achieving it
Unfortunately it doesn't end now. I've been watching Rovers since 1978 & have seen more ups 'n' downs than fans of most clubs & I'm quite happy to "handle the journey" to get to wherever we end up. I love the fact about watching Rovers that there's always some late season drama.
For me it's more about the way things are being done & how we're playing etc that gets me a bit down, not the final result.
Regardless of who is managing the team I'll still be cheering for a win on Saturday though, that won't change.
It's not doom mongering, I just think Fergies had more than a fair crack of the whip & I'd prefer someone else. Next season.
Exactly, a very good post.
That sentiments of it will apply to all of the concerned posters on here.
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It doesn't end today no, but we've been nowhere near the relegation zone all season!
And we're closer to the top half than we are the relegation zone.
It's just really really negative
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We were nowhere near the bottom four two years ago at this stage either.
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Just had a look at the table, top half is 12th upwards and is five points away, exactly the same as the team in fourth from bottom.
FACT.
So we are not closer to the top half as you say.
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The fact you had to look tells me you hadn't even considered it and are fully consumed in what's below rather than what's above
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I think the reason everyone seems to be looking down worried rather than up is that we've history of end of season slumps and current form isn't doesn't exactly far away from a slump. Getting plenty of draws and staying unbeaten is great if you follow it up with a win but follow it up with a loss or two and it puts a massive downer on everything, particularly when the football isn't entertaining
The only way for us to stop looking over our shoulders and feel a bit more confident is to go an a really positive run and put the relegation risk to bed. i know its not that easy to just go on a winning run. But i think people have a right to be more worried than optimistic for now
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up
I can't even take you seriously when you make statements like this.
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That's because you never take it in context. I was replying to someone saying this season we should have stayed up comfortably.
My reply therefore said if we finished today then we would be comfortable and all this negativity is about what could happen.
You're all talking like we're either bottom of the league or we're down already.
We've as much chance of finishing top half as we have in the relegation zone, although strangely this isn't even being considered
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up, all this doom mongering is all about what could happen.
I'll say it again, people were saying they'd be delighted at a midtable finish but they can't handle the journey in achieving it
After what happened in 2016 can you seriously not understand people’s concern? We haven’t won in the last 9 matches inc FA cup v Rochdale.
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Like someone pointed out earlier, you're banging on about the past. Like your mrs does to start an arguement.
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Is this the work of Kieran, otherwise known as Swiss Ramble?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528 (https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528)
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The fact you had to look tells me you hadn't even considered it and are fully consumed in what's below rather than what's above
I am concerned about what is below because of what might befall us.
Relegation would be a disaster, yes it would.
It would also fook up the so called five year plan.
Above us is the promised land of mid table, which is, well, mid table.
Acceptable of course but nothing really exciting.
As I have said all season long, I would be very happy with that when the season ends, which isn’t today.
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You won't be happy with midtable, you'll never be happy. There'll always be a reason why or a but.
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All in all guys,I tend to agree with Dickos, Hound you have the chance to kick me next week.
I don't think we will go down, but wish Fergie should get his act together, and stop making the game more complicated than it is.
Tinkering with the line up, and formations should be put on hold, until we are safe, and players are properly fit.
If we are safe with two or three games to go, then play a couple of fringe/young players to see if they have a future at the club.
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All in all guys,I tend to agree with Dickos, Hound you have the chance to kick me next week.
I don't think we will go down, but wish Fergie should get his act together, and stop making the game more complicated than it is.
Tinkering with the line up, and formations should be put on hold, until we are safe, and players are properly fit.
If we are safe with two or three games to go, then play a couple of fringe/young players to see if they have a future at the club.
Have you just got back from the pub Brian. What have you been drinking???
Have you read all the posts on here today Brian. Better wait untill you have had a mug of black coffee.
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All in all guys,I tend to agree with Dickos, Hound you have the chance to kick me next week.
I don't think we will go down, but wish Fergie should get his act together, and stop making the game more complicated than it is.
Tinkering with the line up, and formations should be put on hold, until we are safe, and players are properly fit.
If we are safe with two or three games to go, then play a couple of fringe/young players to see if they have a future at the club.
Agree with this
He's said back to basics so think we will go with 4-4-2 I think he'll play McCullough and houghton together which worries me that they can't get about the pitch enough, so I'd play coppinger or whiteman just in front, Rowe on left, Blair on right, and marquis
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up, all this doom mongering is all about what could happen.
I'll say it again, people were saying they'd be delighted at a midtable finish but they can't handle the journey in achieving it
And what exactly is all of your rose tinted glasses all about Dickos?
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All in all guys,I tend to agree with Dickos, Hound you have the chance to kick me next week.
I don't think we will go down, but wish Fergie should get his act together, and stop making the game more complicated than it is.
Tinkering with the line up, and formations should be put on hold, until we are safe, and players are properly fit.
If we are safe with two or three games to go, then play a couple of fringe/young players to see if they have a future at the club.
Agree with this
He's said back to basics so think we will go with 4-4-2 I think he'll play McCullough and houghton together which worries me that they can't get about the pitch enough, so I'd play coppinger or whiteman just in front, Rowe on left, Blair on right, and marquis
Agree 100% with you. He needs to stick with it so the players build an understanding. Not keep changing personel (injuries permitting) and formations game after game.
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Keep with him for now, see where we are in a couple of weeks
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Keep with him for now, see where we are in a couple of weeks
3rd of March and then a decision. Stay or go. I hope we have done enough for him to stay.
When he was appointed I was one of the ones who were delighted.
He can be a good manager he just needs to learn from his continuous mistakes.
No body can keep making the same errors as many times as he does and keep his job indefinitely.
Now is MAKE or BREAK.
Come on DF get this sorted for the team, the supporters and your career.
:thumbsup:
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If the season finished today then we have comfortably stayed up, all this doom mongering is all about what could happen.
I'll say it again, people were saying they'd be delighted at a midtable finish but they can't handle the journey in achieving it
And what exactly is all of your rose tinted glasses all about Dickos?
Oh the old "rose tinted glasses" one!
It's called perspective, before Saturday there were no complaints on here, read the forum.
4 days later after two poor performances then it's the end of the world.
Win tomorrow and everyone will be happy again,
It's just daft.
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Is this the work of Kieran, otherwise known as Swiss Ramble?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528 (https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528)
Those graphs don't show budgets. They show wages, which is only part of a club's budget - and even then it only shows the amount of wages that have been spent and not the whole amount of what's available to be spent on wages.
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Is this the work of Kieran, otherwise known as Swiss Ramble?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528 (https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528)
Those graphs don't show budgets. They show wages, which is only part of a club's budget - and even then it only shows the amount of wages that have been spent and not the whole amount of what's available to be spent on wages.
It's as good an indication as you're likely to see, though - transfer fees are few and far between at this level, a couple of hundred k at most so not going to have any seismic impact. Plus there's not much use for including money held back that could have been spent when you're looking after the event (unless it goes into next year, and then it becomes relevant)
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Nick wigan and Blackburn have got a few in, Shrewsbury have used the loan system the best.
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Is this the work of Kieran, otherwise known as Swiss Ramble?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528 (https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/960801996247830528)
Those graphs don't show budgets. They show wages, which is only part of a club's budget - and even then it only shows the amount of wages that have been spent and not the whole amount of what's available to be spent on wages.
It's as good an indication as you're likely to see, though - transfer fees are few and far between at this level, a couple of hundred k at most so not going to have any seismic impact. Plus there's not much use for including money held back that could have been spent when you're looking after the event (unless it goes into next year, and then it becomes relevant)
So you don't think there's any contingency amount or anything set aside for the January transfer window or any loans that we might need to have during the season?
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I do. But those graphs show historic wage bills for the full season, so anything that was set aside was either spent, or it wasn't spent so it doesn't really matter. I also think other clubs will have a contingency set aside, so if you're comparing to other clubs then again it doesn't really matter.
I think the continuous talk about budgets on here is really, really tedious, but to me that graph shows pretty unambiguously that we underachieved by getting relegated that season given that there were 7 clubs with published lower wage bills, and of the 6 without figures I'd bet a lot of money that at least 4, probably 5 and possibly all 6 had lower wage bills that season.
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Most interesting was greater revenue than us, from the small clubs like Chesterfield, Gillingham and Walsall. Presume they must have sold some decent players as they all have smaller attendance and all largely in shit stadiums.
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Most interesting was greater revenue than us, from the small clubs like Chesterfield, Gillingham and Walsall. Presume they must have sold some decent players as they all have smaller attendance and all largely in shit stadiums.
I am amazed at Scunthorpe’s wage bill in 15/16 as they don’t have mega wealthy owners. Recipe for bankruptcy I think. Will be interesting to know what it was in 16/17 & this season.
Whatever happened to FFP is it policed at all. It would seem not.
Bury also with gates of 3000 their owners must be in cookoo land.
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All in all guys,I tend to agree with Dickos, Hound you have the chance to kick me next week.
I don't think we will go down, but wish Fergie should get his act together, and stop making the game more complicated than it is.
Tinkering with the line up, and formations should be put on hold, until we are safe, and players are properly fit.
If we are safe with two or three games to go, then play a couple of fringe/young players to see if they have a future at the club.
Brian, most of what you say in that post makes sense to me too.
I agree that we may have enough to stay up but as you say, the manager continues to stir up the mix and over complicate things.
The playing of a back three at Walsall with the two new lads who are clearly not as comfortable on the ball as our other three CB’s was beyond belief.
We all know that Rowe is better deployed further up the pitch but keeps getting shovelled into the LB or LWB role which doesn’t give him as much opportunity to hurt the opposition.
These are some of the things which are turning more fans against him.
Will he stop tinkering?
Who knows but if he says it is back to basics but what is his version of that?
I and numerous other supporters, are not confident that DF is taking the club in the right direction but do hope that he can do.
As for kicking you next week, maybe I will mate.
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Most interesting was greater revenue than us, from the small clubs like Chesterfield, Gillingham and Walsall. Presume they must have sold some decent players as they all have smaller attendance and all largely in shit stadiums.
I am amazed at Scunthorpe’s wage bill in 15/16 as they don’t have mega wealthy owners. Recipe for bankruptcy I think. Will be interesting to know what it was in 16/17 & this season.
Whatever happened to FFP is it policed at all. It would seem not.
Bury also with gates of 3000 their owners must be in cookoo land.
Scunthorpe do have rich owners though, the wife of the current Chairman happens to be the heir to the Wilkinson (retailers) fortunes. He's been spending money left right and centre but it appears now that the new stadium deal has fallen through he's after getting some of his money back. They've parted with a few players in the January transfer window without bringing in anything major. That's essentially why Scunthorpe over performed last season and are doing the same again, its all to do with money!