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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on April 17, 2018, 09:47:45 pm
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Bury were shit, who put the ryphonol in the half time tea?
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Don’t know but Kiwomya must have had his and all dregs that others left
Bury were never in that game
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2 nil and we f**ked it up..... cruising at 2 nil, after Masons OG there was only one team in it!
COYR
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Simple 1 penalty from a tackle that should of never been made 2 a stupid own goal and 3 a terrible officials not giving a blatant off side
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As well as that Tommy Rowe missed 5 chances straight at the keeper. Without two defenders headers and John Marquis we had nothing in front of goal. The attacking midfield players of Coppinger, Beestin, Rowe and Kiwomya have no idea how to score.
Matty Blair had the worse game I’ve seen him play and should not have got on the wrong side of the player.
The players apart from John Marquis and thre defenders showed no killer instinct either going forward or tackling back.
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The problem was we had so much dominance in the first 35mins they players were starting to think they were Barcelona
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Was their third goal offside?
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I know it sounds ridiculous but the first half was too easy until the own goal. We were never in danger.
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I know it sounds ridiculous but the first half was too easy until the own goal. We were never in danger.
It was 2-2 and they hadn't even had a shot at goal.
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Was their third goal offside?
Yes, without a doubt
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Well offside!
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I could see that he was a f**king mile offside from the top of the South Stand so how the f**k that cretinous bas**rd running the line missed it is well above my head.
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I could see that he was a f**king mile offside from the top of the South Stand so how the f**k that cretinous bas**rd running the line missed it is well above my head.
Look at the picture above. If the linesman was in line with play he'd be in the shot, and would see it was offside - he isn't, he was so far behind play it was criminal!
How do these pathetic officials justify being in a job they clearly can't do?
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I could see that he was a f**king mile offside from the top of the South Stand so how the f**k that cretinous bas**rd running the line missed it is well above my head.
Look at the picture above. If the linesman was in line with play he'd be in the shot, and would see it was offside - he isn't, he was so far behind play it was criminal!
How do these pathetic officials justify being in a job they clearly can't do?
He must have been taken by surprise, Bury being in the opposition half, a bit like their fans with the first goal, it took em 20 seconds to realise they had scored
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Because we do not control the midfield ,midfield are dropping back to defend then we get over run and the distants is to much to link with the forwards
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Without doubt. Our defenders are not at fault it all stems from midfield and a winger who's being asked to defend when it's not his speciality.
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I have to agree with some of the comments here. Apart from the three goals and hitting the post and having a header tipped over the bar and the 5 shots from 12 yards out that went straight at the keeper who would have had no chance if they’d been a yard either side of him, we never looked like creating a chance.
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Because we do not control the midfield ,midfield are dropping back to defend then we get over run and the distants is to much to link with the forwards
You are right, but when we do link with attacking midfielders they think they can walk it past the opposition and when they do, they have got no idea how to score. Yes we conceeded 3 goals, 1 was offside, 1 Matty got the wrong side of the left midfield player and brought him down.
We should yet again have scored more goals. It’s not all down to John Marquis to drive this team forward. The two most experienced players were not good enough today in front of goal. How are the two young players suppose to learn, we need better next season if we are to progress.
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Looked like some complacency crept in to me. We were cruising and then the OG buoyed them. Very sloppy from then onwards.
Might have missed it but where was Baudry tonight? Seems to be quite a strong connection to him playing and Rovers doing well.
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I'm sorry but despite all the chances we created, this result doesn't fall into the bad luck category. There's something more fundamental than that as when our wheels fall off, they fall off big time. We play some good football at times but as soon as there's a set back, we don't seem to be able to recover sufficiently and resume doing the good things. This has cost us a lot points this season. You can accept it, if it's part of the learning curve but there's little sign that much has been done to resolve it.
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plenty of times this season we’ve fell behind and come back to gain a point or win the game only 3 days ago we did, plenty of times we’ve been poor in the first half and very good in the 2nd.
So not sure what you want them to do to show signs they’re resolving an issue that I don’t even see exists
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This game was typical of others through out the season where lack of discipline and concentration were to blame for poor results . Like the end of last season where good results could have brought a bonus , we find another way to fail and disappoint. Either DF installs the much needed Professionalism for next season or we will continue to disappoint the fans and fail again.
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Was their third goal offside?
Blatantly so. The lino was well behind play and seemed not to take into account that Marosi was in front of the player who put the ball into the net.
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This game was typical of others through out the season where lack of discipline and concentration were to blame for poor results . Like the end of last season where good results could have brought a bonus , we find another way to fail and disappoint. Either DF installs the much needed Professionalism for next season or we will continue to disappoint the fans and fail again.
Look at the form we’re in you shouldn’t be disappointed and they aren’t failing
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its ok weve still got blackburn and wigan to play so easy 6 points there :thumbsup:
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Their third goal came from us giving away possession too easily in the middle of the park.
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Simple 1 penalty from a tackle that should of never been made 2 a stupid own goal and 3 a terrible officials not giving a
wasnt offside
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Was their third goal offside?
no
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Miles off! I was in line behind the linno
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Simple 1 penalty from a tackle that should of never been made 2 a stupid own goal and 3 a terrible officials not giving a
wasnt offside
Were you the lino by any chance?
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No seen reply though
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It was 2 yards offside.
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In that still shot the goalscorer is in front of the player with the ball, and at best level with Marosi, to be onside another Rovers player needed to be at least level with Marosi. The nearest defender to that is slightly behind the player with the ball, it's offside by about 3 yards, it's as clear as day
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Miles off! I was in line behind the linno
I was in the same part of the stadium, he was at least 3 yards offside.
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Anyone who thinks that the scored of the third goal wasn’t offside doesn’t know the offside rule.
From my seat in the South Stand my first reaction was offside.
Even the player who scored had two looks across to the linesman to see if he had got away with it.
However, even taking that into consideration, we should not have dropped points last night.
Bury are a very poor team and we were saying that the only way they would get anything from the game would be if we gave them something.
Mason was unlucky, if he hadn’t headed the ball then their 19 would have scored.
Blair seemed unaware that the player he eventually tripped was making the run behind him, maybe because he isn’t a natural RB.
Still, another game and another point.
Nine draws now in the last eighteen league games.
Are we in form?
Results are mediocre really
Yes only three defeats in 18 but also only 6 wins.
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Anyone who thinks that the scored of the third goal wasn’t offside doesn’t know the offside rule.
From my seat in the South Stand my first reaction was offside.
Even the player who scored had two looks across to the linesman to see if he had got away with it.
However, even taking that into consideration, we should not have dropped points last night.
Bury are a very poor team and we were saying that the only way they would get anything from the game would be if we gave them something.
Mason was unlucky, if he hadn’t headed the ball then their 19 would have scored.
Blair seemed unaware that the player he eventually tripped was making the run behind him, maybe because he isn’t a natural RB.
Still, another game and another point.
Nine draws now in the last eighteen league games.
Are we in form?
Results are mediocre really
Yes only three defeats in 18 but also only 6 wins.
Watch the highlights, Blair knew he was there, he had a look just before the ball was played
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I haven’t had the chance to see the highlights yet mate but if that is the case he should have done better IMO.
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come off it Hound, you were sat in the South and thought he was offside in front of the North? I sit in the West and was in 2 minds but my gut instinct was offside, I even watched the highlights in slow mo and to me it confirmed he was offside but not by as much as some including DF seem to think.
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come off it Hound, you were sat in the South and thought he was offside in front of the North? I sit in the West and was in 2 minds but my gut instinct was offside, I even watched the highlights in slow mo and to me it confirmed he was offside but not by as much as some including DF seem to think.
he was 2-3 yards offside, theres only Marosi in front of him and he was in front of the ball when it was played, to be onside he had to be a) behind the ball when played or b) another defender had to be in front of him
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are you basing that on your view last night or after watching the highlights, try watching the highlights in slow mo he was probably a yard off when the ball was played
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are you basing that on your view last night or after watching the highlights, try watching the highlights in slow mo he was probably a yard off when the ball was played
I'm basing that on a still picture of the highlights posted on here, I was in no postition in the ground to tell for sure, but my immediate reaction was it was offside, confirmed by the replay of the goal on the big screen, whic I was surprised they showed given that they don't normally replay contentious decisions
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come off it Hound, you were sat in the South and thought he was offside in front of the North? I sit in the West and was in 2 minds but my gut instinct was offside, I even watched the highlights in slow mo and to me it confirmed he was offside but not by as much as some including DF seem to think.
As god is my witness, I called it as offside.
It was so blatant.
No even, was it or wasn’t it.
It should have been the easiest decision of the night for the officials.
The scorer even looked across to the Lino twice to see whether he had got away with it.
I have now looked at the highlights and it is probably two yards offside.
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come off it Hound, you were sat in the South and thought he was offside in front of the North? I sit in the West and was in 2 minds but my gut instinct was offside, I even watched the highlights in slow mo and to me it confirmed he was offside but not by as much as some including DF seem to think.
As god is my witness, I called it as offside.
It was so blatant.
No even, was it or wasn’t it.
It should have been the easiest decision of the night for the officials.
The scorer even looked across to the Lino twice to see whether he had got away with it.
I have now looked at the highlights and it is probably two yards offside.
Did you notice Blair look to see where his man was?
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In that still shot the goalscorer is in front of the player with the ball, and at best level with Marosi, to be onside another Rovers player needed to be at least level with Marosi. The nearest defender to that is slightly behind the player with the ball, it's offside by about 3 yards, it's as clear as day
well to me the goal scorer looks to be behind or at worst level with the one who had the ball
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You and the assistant referee are the only people who think so.
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The ball was definitely played forward and Miller was ahead of Ismail when it was played, that's not even in doubt to me. Seems a clear offside that the linesman has missed due to his failure to keep up with play.
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There's no doubt it was offside but it was more marginal than it seemed at the time and if the assistant is behind play then he wouldn't have got the same angle. That said, I was more upset about the build up which allowed them a free run on goal.
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So here's a clearer picture of the exact moment the ball was played (screenshotted youtube at 0.25 speed).
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/2/AADL9BQ60ozr_jbK8FMbFUkdieb2Dmsrii-gAkLQXEZGWw/12/85565694/png/32x32/3/1524088800/0/2/offside.png/EM_8zkIYvAQgBygH/_0GozvivFM_pbV8OLTwGFp-ghTFTqTN0QveE0W5ZhCE?dl=0&preserve_transparency=1&size=2048x1536&size_mode=3)
We're fortunate with this view that one of the Rugby (American Football?) lines runs straight across the 12 yard mark and you can clearly see the following:
- The original shooter is on the line
- Butler is about a yard behind the line
- The scorer is about a yard in front of the line
Offside all day long.
For what it's worth, I also think the penalty was a dive having viewed the video in slow-mo a couple of times, but Blair was naive to stick his foot out in the first place. Made it easy for their guy to fall over.
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Absolutely totally irrevocably OFF-SIDE
No question - should have been disallowed.
Perhaps our Players should have done a mass protest as other Teams seem to do thus making the (alleged) Ref at least question the (alleged) Lino and they may have decided something different
One of our Players did show or try to show the Ref the replay but he cose to bottle that as well. He is a Muppet and when you look back on Rate the Ref at his performances they are always questionable in quality but I have to accept it was the Lino (or alleged Lino) that chose not to Flag in the first place
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Even if the ref did look at the replay he isn't allowed to use that as proof even if it does prove it. Roy Carroll did that to us for Notts County and it was wrong then too.
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So here's a clearer picture of the exact moment the ball was played (screenshotted youtube at 0.25 speed).
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/2/AADL9BQ60ozr_jbK8FMbFUkdieb2Dmsrii-gAkLQXEZGWw/12/85565694/png/32x32/3/1524088800/0/2/offside.png/EM_8zkIYvAQgBygH/_0GozvivFM_pbV8OLTwGFp-ghTFTqTN0QveE0W5ZhCE?dl=0&preserve_transparency=1&size=2048x1536&size_mode=3)
We're fortunate with this view that one of the Rugby (American Football?) lines runs straight across the 12 yard mark and you can clearly see the following:
- The original shooter is on the line
- Butler is about a yard behind the line
- The scorer is about a yard in front of the line
Offside all day long.
For what it's worth, I also think the penalty was a dive having viewed the video in slow-mo a couple of times, but Blair was naive to stick his foot out in the first place. Made it easy for their guy to fall over.
see to me both there players look level ahead of the so called line or the scorer and the ball and butler on it
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Mate you need your eyes looking at. And "so called" line? the line clearly exists, so I'm not sure why it's only a "so called" line.
Christ alone knows how you can possibly think he's level there.
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So here's a clearer picture of the exact moment the ball was played (screenshotted youtube at 0.25 speed).
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/2/AADL9BQ60ozr_jbK8FMbFUkdieb2Dmsrii-gAkLQXEZGWw/12/85565694/png/32x32/3/1524088800/0/2/offside.png/EM_8zkIYvAQgBygH/_0GozvivFM_pbV8OLTwGFp-ghTFTqTN0QveE0W5ZhCE?dl=0&preserve_transparency=1&size=2048x1536&size_mode=3)
We're fortunate with this view that one of the Rugby (American Football?) lines runs straight across the 12 yard mark and you can clearly see the following:
- The original shooter is on the line
- Butler is about a yard behind the line
- The scorer is about a yard in front of the line
Offside all day long.
For what it's worth, I also think the penalty was a dive having viewed the video in slow-mo a couple of times, but Blair was naive to stick his foot out in the first place. Made it easy for their guy to fall over.
see to me both there players look level ahead of the so called line or the scorer and the ball and butler on it
You need to make an appointment at the opticians mate
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Anyone who thinks that the scored of the third goal wasn’t offside doesn’t know the offside rule.
From my seat in the South Stand my first reaction was offside.
Even the player who scored had two looks across to the linesman to see if he had got away with it.
However, even taking that into consideration, we should not have dropped points last night.
Bury are a very poor team and we were saying that the only way they would get anything from the game would be if we gave them something.
Mason was unlucky, if he hadn’t headed the ball then their 19 would have scored.
Blair seemed unaware that the player he eventually tripped was making the run behind him, maybe because he isn’t a natural RB.
Still, another game and another point.
Nine draws now in the last eighteen league games.
Are we in form?
Results are mediocre really
Yes only three defeats in 18 but also only 6 wins.
We are 3rd in the form table only behind Blackburn and Wigan, so yes of course we’re in form!
The figures you’ve pointed out show 27 points from 18 games but you’re using them to show we’re not in form??
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Lord above donnievic, I can't really say more than the last couple of guys have, but here's the video for yourself. It's been set to play from the right point, all you have to do is hit the cog in the bottom right and slow the speed down to 0.25. It's plain as day that Butler is a good yard short of the "so called" (what?) line when the ball is first played.
https://youtu.be/snDVrOYWvZ0?t=87
Just to highlight dickos point even further. Those 27 from 18 over a season work out at 69 points if my calculator is working properly....how good do we have to be to be classed as in form?!
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Very interesting to see if we can beat Dickov this season.
His last full season with us was 14/15 in League One.
He finished 46 games with 61 points.
We are currently 41 games and 54 points.
Seven points to equal Dickov and eight to beat him. Game on!
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Not really a game as dickovs side had just come from the championship and this one has just come from league 2.
It would be interesting to know how we finished after our last promotion from league 2 though under Penney.
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We did very well that season, finishing 10th on 66 points with 16 wins, 18 draws and only 12 defeats. Directly below two sides now in the top flight - Bournemouth and Huddersfield - and only 5 points shy of the last play off place occupied by Hartlepool who, from what I remember, came agonisingly close to winning the final against Wednesday.
Interestingly the Top 10 scorers included three future Rovers. Stuart Elliott came joint 1st for Hull alongside Dean Windass, Steve Brooker was 7th and James Hayter was joint 9th along with Steve MacLean and the not-quite-ever-a-Rover Luke Beckett.
So we'll do very well to match that points tally but it looks like a similar season from position to our W-D-L record.
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Lord above donnievic, I can't really say more than the last couple of guys have, but here's the video for yourself. It's been set to play from the right point, all you have to do is hit the cog in the bottom right and slow the speed down to 0.25. It's plain as day that Butler is a good yard short of the "so called" (what?) line when the ball is first played.
https://youtu.be/snDVrOYWvZ0?t=87
where butler is doesn’t even come into it as I just think the scorer is not in front of the ball when it’s played,if you think he is that’s fine it’s all about opinions but as for other who say he is yards offside are way out.
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You can see from the line on the pitch though that he’s clearly in front of the ball
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Lord above donnievic, I can't really say more than the last couple of guys have, but here's the video for yourself. It's been set to play from the right point, all you have to do is hit the cog in the bottom right and slow the speed down to 0.25. It's plain as day that Butler is a good yard short of the "so called" (what?) line when the ball is first played.
https://youtu.be/snDVrOYWvZ0?t=87
where butler is doesn’t even come into it as I just think the scorer is not in front of the ball when it’s played,if you think he is that’s fine it’s all about opinions but as for other who say he is yards offside are way out.
He's in front of the ball, in that instance to be onside he has to be behind another Rovers player, so yes he is yards offside
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Miles off! I was in line behind the linno
If you were in line behind the linesman then you sit about 15 yards along from the half way line, as that's where the linno was when the pass was made ;-)
It was offside though.
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Miles off! I was in line behind the linno
If you were in line behind the linesman then you sit about 15 yards along from the half way line, as that's where the linno was when the pass was made ;-)
It was offside though.
In fact he came running past us like a bloke trying to catch a bus that had already left :-)
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Not really a game as dickovs side had just come from the championship and this one has just come from league 2.
It would be interesting to know how we finished after our last promotion from league 2 though under Penney.
Not sure you will get many takers for an argument that the squad that season under Dickov was better than this year - but good luck trying to sell the idea that Curtis Main and Theo Robinson as a strike force that season was unfair comparison to what we have now. Let us all know how you get on with that comrade.
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So your arguement is that Ferguson has signed better players than Dickov did?
Finally we agree on something
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Not really a game as dickovs side had just come from the championship and this one has just come from league 2.
It would be interesting to know how we finished after our last promotion from league 2 though under Penney.
Not sure you will get many takers for an argument that the squad that season under Dickov was better than this year - but good luck trying to sell the idea that Curtis Main and Theo Robinson as a strike force that season was unfair comparison to what we have now. Let us all know how you get on with that comrade.
You’re right of course CBCB. After 41 games in 2014/15, we’d got the same number of points as this season, but that shocking attack had scored a whole 1 goal fewer.
Funny old game.
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The only two players I mentioned scored 15 league goals between them in 78 league games.
Marquis alone has scored the same number (well, 14 leagues goals) in half the league games (well, 40 league games).
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Lord above donnievic, I can't really say more than the last couple of guys have, but here's the video for yourself. It's been set to play from the right point, all you have to do is hit the cog in the bottom right and slow the speed down to 0.25. It's plain as day that Butler is a good yard short of the "so called" (what?) line when the ball is first played.
https://youtu.be/snDVrOYWvZ0?t=87
where butler is doesn’t even come into it as I just think the scorer is not in front of the ball when it’s played,if you think he is that’s fine it’s all about opinions but as for other who say he is yards offside are way out.
You may well think that. Only one other person did and he was the one running the line. Your sight is on its way out if you think the goal scorer is onside. Ludicrous to claim otherwise.
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The only two players I mentioned scored 15 league goals between them in 78 league games.
Marquis alone has scored the same number (well, 14 leagues goals) in half the league games (well, 40 league games).
You actually stated “the squad”
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You are nebbing in to an exchange in which you were not involved - why, I have no idea.
“The attack” was highlighted by Billy, and the only two players I cited were Curtis and Theo.
Both are correct.
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I’m not nebbing into anything, you responded to my comment and stated “good luck trying to sell the idea that main and Robinson are an unfair comparison to what we have now”
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I wouldn’t dream of comparing Main and Robinson to Marquis. That’d be daft.
But the record does suggest that there was barely a fag paper between the performance of that squad and the performance of the current one.
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I’m not nebbing into anything, you responded to my comment and stated “good luck trying to sell the idea that main and Robinson are an unfair comparison to what we have now”
I hope you can get the help you clearly need. My heart goes out to you. Cannot be easy.
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Don’t you worry about me comrade.
I only hope you can get over the disappointment of Ferguson proving you wrong
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Oooh! all this testosteronal one-upmanship crap - think I'll go t' bed !
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Don’t you worry about me comrade.
I only hope you can get over the disappointment of Ferguson proving you wrong
I will end the night by pointing out that you called for him to be sacked when he got us relegated - so comrade it is you who was proved wrong.
The sinner repenteth!
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😂😂 Ok comrade
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I wouldn’t dream of comparing Main and Robinson to Marquis. That’d be daft.
But the record does suggest that there was barely a fag paper between the performance of that squad and the performance of the current one.
I agree BST, and one of my main frustrations with Ferguson is that we are no further forward than we were three years ago.
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And the fact that we took a completely unnecessary step back under his stewardship in the middle of that time frame...
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I wouldn’t dream of comparing Main and Robinson to Marquis. That’d be daft.
But the record does suggest that there was barely a fag paper between the performance of that squad and the performance of the current one.
I agree BST, and one of my main frustrations with Ferguson is that we are no further forward than we were three years ago.
Bang on TRB.
I will be surprised if we are any further forward this time next year too.
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It is fair to say that we have done well to inject some resilience this season and have (fingers crossed) been effectively safe from relegation for some time now. That should be welcomed.
What is also true is that we have indeed taken three years to get back to where we started, and it is a push to say we are an exciting team to watch with a positive and distinct style of football as was promised at our last change of management. It is certainly not Saunders football, but equally it is a bit, well, meh.
Will see what next season in League One brings. This season has it is fair to say not been an excellent one, but good enough.
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I wouldn’t dream of comparing Main and Robinson to Marquis. That’d be daft.
But the record does suggest that there was barely a fag paper between the performance of that squad and the performance of the current one.
I agree BST, and one of my main frustrations with Ferguson is that we are no further forward than we were three years ago.
That’s rather unfair TRB. Three years ago we were in the middle of a major decline. 2013/14 was a disaster. 2014/15 was a seriously disappointing underachievement after we’d been led to expect that we’d be contenders. The start of 2015/16 was a calamity. We’d signed a string of players who were either shite, or who had turned into worse than they were when we signed them (Evina, ATS, Stuckmann, Robinson, Main, Forrester, MacKenzie, Chaow, Calder) and two of the old stars on the books had faded fast (Jones and Wellens).
That squad was rotten and needed sweeping out and replacing. You can’t do that overnight.
Ferguson has done a moderately good job of that. The failings of the current squad more down to inexperience than the abject lack of ability, effort and balls from most of the squad that Ferguson inherited. The way I see it, three years ago we were going downhill. Now we’re at roughly the same level of performance, but going uphill. Seems to me that it’s unfair to say there’s been no progress.
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It is crackers BST to lay any blame on the squad that Ferguson inherited three years after he came here.
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Hound.
The point was s that the club was going backwards rapidly when he came in. And he did inherit some dross, some of which is still on the books.
You don’t turn that round overnight. As I said, that squad was full of players who were not going to get better. The squad he’s put together now IS getting better and will be better next year than they are now. So it seems daft to say that we’re in there’s bern no improvement in 3 years.
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BST
I'll wait and see what our signings are in the summer. Unless we bring in some better ones we'll struggle. We depend on Marquis, Coppinger and Butler far too much.
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The perennial mystery as well of where folk are meant to be playing. The midfield is the epitome of this. We have some nominally good players at this level (Rowe, Houghton, Whiteman, Copps) but we conspire to make that group of midfielders far less effective than their individual abilities. How many times has our midfield dominated a team? It really is a genuine mystery and adds to view that we are punching below our weight given resources available.
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The perennial mystery as well of where folk are meant to be playing. The midfield is the epitome of this. We have some nominally good players at this level (Rowe, Houghton, Whiteman, Copps) but we conspire to make that group of midfielders far less effective than their individual abilities. How many times has our midfield dominated a team? It really is a genuine mystery and adds to view that we are punching below our weight given resources available.
Because we deploy them in that god-awful diamond formation.
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The diamond occasionally works ok against certain opposition and when we have the personnel to play it.
However most of the time, as you say TRB, it is god awful, because DF insists on putting square pegs in round holes in there.
Kongolo then Blair on the left?!
Houghton on the right?!
I think some thought needs to go into playing a system that suits the players we've got. He always insists time and time again on crowbarring people into either a narrow diamond formation or a back three. Far too often it looks disjointed.