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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyOsmond on June 05, 2018, 10:41:44 am
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Andy Giddings
To dispell the rumours, club sources at #drfc tell me that "categorically the budget has not been cut, it's gone up a bit."
However, it seems that Darren Ferguson felt it hadn't gone up enough to create a team capable of a top 6 push.
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
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So an extra 50p then ;)
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
Probably in the same place that says it's one of the highest in the division.
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
There's no proof in it being a mid table budget,
However there is plenty of evidence suggesting it is not a good budget
Certainly not good enough for promotion
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
Probably in the same place that says it's one of the highest in the division.
I was going from what SM has alluded to.
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
There's no proof in it being a mid table budget,
However there is plenty of evidence suggesting it is not a good budget
Certainly not good enough for promotion
Tell Accrington.
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Out of interest, why would people think we deserve one of the highest budgets in League One? Shouldn't we be content with a "mid-table" budget, seeing as we finished as a mid-table team last season? Discuss...
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It’s about £3m. There will be plenty with bigger budgets this season then a big group that are working with a fund similar to ours. It is what it is though.
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Out of interest, why would people think we deserve one of the highest budgets in League One? Shouldn't we be content with a "mid-table" budget, seeing as we finished as a mid-table team last season? Discuss...
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The budget tends to reflect your league position as opposed to vice versa.
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The way I understand it is:
All clubs submit their budget to the FL.
You can then ask where you are in the league and they tell you. But they don't reveal where anybody else is to you. Hence that's how you know your position on the budget league. Simples!
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As long as we show progression on the field and results getting into the top six the budget is irrelevant. The CEO who assume speaks for the board said we want to be higher and so let’s see. We will tell what we have at the end of the transfer window.
We will know then if we have a chance of progressing and the ambition level of the club.
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I love this. Categorically stated that it’s gone up a bit.
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
There's no proof in it being a mid table budget,
However there is plenty of evidence suggesting it is not a good budget
Certainly not good enough for promotion
Surely it's about how you use the budget and not the size of it. Spunking it on shite like Kongolo and extending Evina's deal in past seasons will not have gone down well.
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Out of interest, why would people think we deserve one of the highest budgets in League One? Shouldn't we be content with a "mid-table" budget, seeing as we finished as a mid-table team last season? Discuss...
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So does that mean if we are content with a "mid table budget" we should be content with a mid table finish next season?
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
There's no proof in it being a mid table budget,
However there is plenty of evidence suggesting it is not a good budget
Certainly not good enough for promotion
Surely it's about how you use the budget and not the size of it. Spunking it on shite like Kongolo and extending Evina's deal in past seasons will not have gone down well.
Show me a manager anywhere who has had a 100% success rate with all his signings?
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What did we pay Man City to have Kongolo it could have been nothing.
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“A bit” maybe 2% same as inflation prediction. Anything between 60 to 80 thousand.
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“A bit” maybe 2% same as inflation prediction. Anything between 60 to 80 thousand.
Thats an interpretation to suit your views Steve
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“A bit” maybe 2% same as inflation prediction. Anything between 60 to 80 thousand.
Thats an interpretation to suit your views Steve
I did say maybe we won’t know ( it was a tongue in cheek remark) as say I’m not bothered about the budget it’s about progressing. If the owners and CEO set out plans it’s how we progress to those plans. They must supply the resources to match the plans, some will be critical.
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I think it's clear enough our budget is enough to compete and after that it's not about the money, it's about the management and performances. Look at Shrewsbury and Accrington this season. Likewise look at Bury. Yes a playing budget makes a difference but this is a game played out on grass not on balance sheets. It only takes anyone so far.
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I think it's clear enough our budget is enough to compete and after that it's not about the money, it's about the management and performances. Look at Shrewsbury and Accrington this season. Likewise look at Bury. Yes a playing budget makes a difference but this is a game played out on grass not on balance sheets. It only takes anyone so far.
It’s possible to be competitive on a smaller budget but it’s about how much chance you have of doing so. The more you spend the better players you can attract. That’s why the teams that spend the most every season win the Prem. Leicester proved that every team still has a certain % chance but that % varies significantly.
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So, we've established the budget wasn't cut. So is it reasonable to think he could still have recruited to replace those who have left and we're not playing at least?
If he thinks not receiving a bigger budget means he couldn't mount a challenge for promotion then he's made a choice. That's his prerogative.
I don't see why he would have expected an increased budget anyway (although realistically, he probably had more funds at his disposal) I don't think he's made the best use of what he had anyway and there's plenty who see it that way too.
Now the quest to find someone who does believe they can manage the team towards a promotion challenge.
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‘Smoke and mirrors ‘ he was encouraged to go . The next man will get the same support without having to overhoal the present squad . Deficiencies up front are well known so no doubt the manager will have ideas of his own . So he’s got not a lot to push up hill only guide it’s direction .
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Fergie thinks he's guardiola and can have what ever he wants.
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Were you in the meeting then?
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Fergie thinks he's guardiola and can have what ever he wants.
Yes he resigned because he wasn’t allowed to sign Mahrez.
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I have never been DF's greatest fan but I believe he has behaved in a gentlemanly way and refrained from exposing detail that would counter the DRFC propagandists who talk about a five year plan, destination championship, increased budget etc. It's fairly bleedin obvious that the owners have made the decision to cap their spending on their club to what they consider to be acceptable and sustainable levels as is their right to do, it's their money after all. we should not forget that the current owners were brought in by JR in the hope that their mega wealth would flow into the club but something less than that has happened and in fact they appear to be somewhat reluctant proprietors and not the RTID type that JR was. As usual the fans are starved of genuine information but in my opinion the stated intention to be a Championship club is not genuinely supported by the owners. We do appear to have a well run and competent organisational structure and maybe us fans should just be thankful for that.
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I have never been DF's greatest fan but I believe he has behaved in a gentlemanly way and refrained from exposing detail that would counter the DRFC propagandists who talk about a five year plan, destination championship, increased budget etc. It's fairly bleedin obvious that the owners have made the decision to cap their spending on their club to what they consider to be acceptable and sustainable levels as is their right to do, it's their money after all. we should not forget that the current owners were brought in by JR in the hope that their mega wealth would flow into the club but something less than that has happened and in fact they appear to be somewhat reluctant proprietors and not the RTID type that JR was. As usual the fans are starved of genuine information but in my opinion the stated intention to be a Championship club is not genuinely supported by the owners. We do appear to have a well run and competent organisational structure and maybe us fans should just be thankful for that.
Behaved in a gentlemanly way?
Have you stopped to consider the potential reasons why he chose to release his resignation statement at 9pm at night through the LMA catching the club totally unaware and before his resignation had been accepted? In my opinion there are underlying reasons why DF decided to do that at that time of night and go public straight away
A gentlemanly way would have been to speak to your employers regarding your decision, get a response and then agree a statement to go public at the same time
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I may have missed it but I haven’t seen anything that sates he issued the statement before his resignation was accepted.
Although i think it’s onvious they didn’t part on good terms, the usual statement from the club thanking the manager and wishing him good luck in the future hasn’t appeared either.
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I may have missed it but I haven’t seen anything that sates he issued the statement before his resignation was accepted.
Although i think it’s onvious they didn’t part on good terms, the usual statement from the club thanking the manager and wishing him good luck in the future hasn’t appeared either.
Come on mate, you must have seen statements saying the club was caught unaware, do you think they had a meeting at that time of night straight away to discuss it?
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I’ve seen Liam Holden say they werent expecting it but I’ve not seen anything about him releasing a statement before the club even accepted his resignation.
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I’ve seen Liam Holden say they werent expecting it but I’ve not seen anything about him releasing a statement before the club even accepted his resignation.
So do you think the club had a meeting straight away to discuss his resignation?
Instead of being argumentative, start being realistic, it's obvious DF got the first punch in while backs were turned
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And if we already had one of the highest budgets....
Depend what you class as one of the highest. It’s a mid table budget.
Where’s your proof that it was a mid table budget
There's no proof in it being a mid table budget,
However there is plenty of evidence suggesting it is not a good budget
Certainly not good enough for promotion
Really? Where's this 'plenty of evidence', apart from 'it's my opinion'?
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I’ve seen Liam Holden say they werent expecting it but I’ve not seen anything about him releasing a statement before the club even accepted his resignation.
And I posted this;
Quote from: the vicar on June 05, 2018, 05:50:16 PM
im not having a pop at anyone am i, its just that we are left to argue with each other and speculate
The problem though Dave was the timing of the announcement by DF. Nobody knew that it was coming quite late on a Monday evening, the staff would have been at home and not prepared. As it happens the club put out a holding statement last night with plans for a more detailed response today, which they've now done.
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I’ve seen Liam Holden say they werent expecting it but I’ve not seen anything about him releasing a statement before the club even accepted his resignation.
So do you think the club had a meeting straight away to discuss his resignation?
Instead of being argumentative, start being realistic, it's obvious DF got the first punch in while backs were turned
I’m not being argumentative I just don’t think he announced it before it was accepted.
Yes I know Martin and that’s a good enough reason as to why they didn’t respond initially, but it doesn’t suggest Ferguson had announced it before Gavin had accepted it.
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Am I the only one who's thinking:
If, as SM and Andy Giddings are saying the budget for next season has gone up, and this whole thing really is all about the budget, why didn't DF walk this time last season when it was less?
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Out of interest, why would people think we deserve one of the highest budgets in League One? Shouldn't we be content with a "mid-table" budget, seeing as we finished as a mid-table team last season? Discuss...
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So does that mean if we are content with a "mid table budget" we should be content with a mid table finish next season?
I reckon thats what we can expect AND we have now got to try and sell this to a new manager who is going to be expected to mount a championship push. Not going to be easy, might be a case of who’s prepared to take it rather than who we would really want.
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As we understand last season was about consolidation yet it has been said we should have finished higher with the budget we had.
Now it’s been said that this season the objective will be to get in the top six.
Having worked with last seasons budget one can assume that DF believed that to achieve that goal the new budget was not big enough, after discussions with the CEO and Chairman decided to resign.
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They will want the Championship as we'll be getting more money from being there, however they probably don't want to do what Villa have done this season which potentially could lead to them going into administration. Going 2ith younger players and building over time is sensible to me.
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How many of those clubs whose finances went tits up through overspending still hold a higher league position than us though? Put it another way, how many of them are lower than us?
On the other hand, consider Crewe Alexander, a club who we seem to want to emulate. Where has the policy of youth development left them?
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Am I the only one who's thinking:
If, as SM and Andy Giddings are saying the budget for next season has gone up, and this whole thing really is all about the budget, why didn't DF walk this time last season when it was less?
One can only assume, its easier to throw more money at it than work harder at polishing some of the raw talent that we have. The conundrum is whether he felt he would have enough to fill the 3 or 4 quality signings we need to push on.(That doesn't necessarily have to include players like Taylor who was over priced in my book) It's just plausible he grew weary of working prudently
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How many of those clubs whose finances went tits up through overspending still hold a higher league position than us though? Put it another way, how many of them are lower than us?
On the other hand, consider Crewe Alexander, a club who we seem to want to emulate. Where has the policy of youth development left them?
That's OK BB if someone else sweeps up the mess left by those who took the risk. I don't think a club of our stature would appeal to someone to do that, which means an administration route which is far more painful.
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We are of the stature we are through choice.
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We are of the stature we are through choice.
I'd say it's lack of size. We're a fairly average sized club with decent infrastructure but big losses, not a huge fan base and minimal assets. You run clubs like ours for fun not to make money. Nobody would come in and save us easily. I wish we had billions to play with but reality says not.
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If we'd invested more in the Championship squad we'd have attained a bigger fanbase, and reaped the benefits of Championship status. Our 'lack of size' would have been rectified.
A prime example is Wigan Athletic, who just 40 years ago were a non-league club. Why have they overtaken us?
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Behaved in a gentlemanly way?
Have you stopped to consider the potential reasons why he chose to release his resignation statement at 9pm at night through the LMA catching the club totally unaware and before his resignation had been accepted? In my opinion there are underlying reasons why DF decided to do that at that time of night and go public straight away
A gentlemanly way would have been to speak to your employers regarding your decision, get a response and then agree a statement to go public at the same time
Mr. Filo, in answer to your question no I had not considered his timing. I mean that he behaved in a Gentlemanly way by refraining from gobbing off in detail about his reasons for resigning. I suspect it would not have been pretty if he had done so.
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I would expect the possibility of legal action against him will have had something to do with what he did or did not say.
Some things that are true and detailed will be protected by law
Some things that are false will also have the law's protection for those that are defamed.
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At the risk of a volley of abuse,the thing that has annoyed me about all of this is us the fans..Some of the comments I've read on here and facebook begger belief in the attitude shown to our board..
Lets gets one thing straight,there isn't a queue of people with endless amounts of money stood at the keepmoat ready to walk in.Football at clubs like our isn't a investment, it's a sure fire way of losing money..Reality is we are not a sleeping giant..We are a league 1 club in a unfashionable town who struggle to get gates over 8000 even when things are going well...
The current board are being criticised about the budget by so many people even when they continuously have to plough money in every month to provide it at the level it is now,i know the vast majority of supporters these days cant remember the times when administration was always ever only days away,and not just under the Richardson era either...But we really have a lot to be thankfull for..
There are 6k-10k of us who go to watch Rovers in a town the size of Doncaster and people expect everything on a plate who moan like mad when season ticket prices go up ten quid.Yet expect other people to just throw huge amounts of money in for there entertainment...
As far as I'm concerned Doncaster Rovers has never been better run than it is today and even if Fergy did walk out because he wanted to chase rainbows, then I for one fully agree with the fact they didn't give it him...Our budget is our budget,and as long as that's at the maximum level the club can afford whatever the circumstance then that's good enough for me....
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Am I the only one who's thinking:
If, as SM and Andy Giddings are saying the budget for next season has gone up, and this whole thing really is all about the budget, why didn't DF walk this time last season when it was less?
Probably because everyone was on the same page with regards to the season just gone being a "consolidation" season. Ferguson probably felt the budget was adequate for that.
This time he wanted to push for the top 6 and felt he was given a budget not suited to that. Not saying I concur with Ferguson on that but that's probably the way he saw it. I don't personally think he ever got the most out of the resources he did have so I wouldn't have been slinging a massive budget his way either.
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As far as I'm concerned Doncaster Rovers has never been better run than it is today and even if Fergy did walk out because he wanted to chase rainbows, then I for one fully agree with the fact they didn't give it him...Our budget is our budget,and as long as that's at the maximum level the club can afford whatever the circumstance then that's good enough for me....
I also believe the club is well run, but I don’t think DF was chasing rainbows. He was the one that had to work with the funds he was given. Yes some of the funds he spent can be said was on the wrong resource. But when you are trying to get the best out of a budget sometimes by saving money the player may not be up to it in hindsight.
The club have set the goal of top six next season and they have set a budget to get their. DF knowing what players are required to achieve that, having said in last seasons pre season he was shocked at the level of wages players in league 1 want, then it appeared he felt it needed more funds.
We will never know the level of budget set but it’s not our place to get the best out of it to achieve goal set.
The three clubs promoted last season came from the Championship and all could have had bigger budgets. Rotherham’s crowd on average was only just above ours yet was their budget bigger we will know theirs in 18 months time. This season coming will be just as hard if not harder to achieve top six.
Supporters keep quoting Shrewsbury but they did not get promoted, they did sign 15 players throughout the season. The last three in January were just to sit on their bench but bolster the squad for the playoff push.
So know we wait to see the next step in the clubs progression we wait to see who will be the manager, what quality players we sign and worst of all if we lose our quality players.
What we do know there will be differing opinions in the fan base what’s best for the club, and we will be able to use hindsight to decide whether the level of resources acquired have been good enough.
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All of the above is based on very little actual fact lol.
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All of the above is based on very little actual fact lol.
I havent quoted anything but you like your dig.
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WC above nails it for me. I'll add that DF's aim is to be managing in the Championship sooner rather than later, and his view was that he needed more funds to do that with certainty within the next two seasons.
Here I'm guessing a little, but the man lives in the shaddow of hs dad, he almost certainly always will, though he will be spurred on to shine as much as possible. He probs has his own 5 or 10 year plan, with the ultimate aim of being a Prem manager. Taking Donny up a level would no doubt have sat well with that plan but he has increasingly wanted more certainty to make that step up. I think the deterioration of his dad's health may have been the straw that broke the camel's back in his decision to go now (a couple of obvious reasons in that), otherwise he may have given it another season.
My suggestion here is that DF leaving was less to do with our club's progression/plan/budget and more to do with his increased urgency in his aims to progress as a manager.
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If we'd invested more in the Championship squad we'd have attained a bigger fanbase, and reaped the benefits of Championship status. Our 'lack of size' would have been rectified.
A prime example is Wigan Athletic, who just 40 years ago were a non-league club. Why have they overtaken us?
I think we can relate back that time which was perhaps a turning point. Wigan was backed solely by Dave Whelan , one decision maker.
We had 3 amigos who agreed to put equal sums in to support the club but there came a time when that became more difficult for one who still wanted to be the decision maker. That's by the by, but when it came to that critical time there wasn't that collective unity to increase their financial commitment. The funding of Billy Sharp's purchase was probably the last big financial risk they took and, who knows, with a bit of luck it may have paid off. However, we know eventually it didn't.
How we would have grown if we'd have stayed in the Championship for longer, who knows but in the 4 seasons we were there the attendances dropped. Now if I was an investor/owner etc, I would also be cautious about chucking more money in.
It is no different today. If our attendances were bringing in more revenue then you might spend proportionately more.
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Of course attendances dropped. The initial novelty of the new ground increased crowds. That was bound to be temporary. Then, attendances dropped further as the team struggled to win games!
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
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It is no different today. If our attendances were bringing in more revenue then you might spend proportionately more.
We were told we needed 7000 crowds to assist the budget. We had on average just over 8000. People don’t just come to home games now because it’s Doncaster Rovers. When we were at Belle Vue with good mining and engineering companies in and around crowds would come. It started to tail off in the mid 80s.
The club according to reports want to get into the top six this season coming. Aiming for the Championship is where to be, not throwing money at it, but the funds provided must be realistic to get the 4/5 quality players we need. These players must able to go in to the Championship and compete.
It will be great to see attendances grow this season, but if and when we get in the Championship the attendance will grow faster if we can consolidate, which is part of the long term plan.
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The 'stated' aim of the Club is to become a sustainable Championship Club - not division 1. Fact.
What DF wanted was the same thing - hardly 'chasing rainbows'. DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.
Some other guy is now going to have to try and achieve what DF thought he couldn't with the same resources provided. Wait for, 'they're not my players', etc, etc at the end of next season!
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The 'stated' aim of the Club is to become a sustainable Championship Club - not division 1. Fact.
What DF wanted was the same thing - hardly 'chasing rainbows'. DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.
Some other guy is now going to have to try and achieve what DF thought he couldn't with the same resources provided. Wait for, 'they're not my players', etc, etc at the end of next season!
To be a sustainable club in the championship without spending any more money is a pipe dream.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
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Our attendances are better now at this level than in previous seasons in recent history.
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The 'stated' aim of the Club is to become a sustainable Championship Club - not division 1. Fact.
What DF wanted was the same thing - hardly 'chasing rainbows'. DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.
Some other guy is now going to have to try and achieve what DF thought he couldn't with the same resources provided. Wait for, 'they're not my players', etc, etc at the end of next season!
A straight question Alan. If a manager is given the resources that match any other clubs in the top 10 of that division where do you think he should finish?
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The 'stated' aim of the Club is to become a sustainable Championship Club - not division 1. Fact.
What DF wanted was the same thing - hardly 'chasing rainbows'. DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.
Some other guy is now going to have to try and achieve what DF thought he couldn't with the same resources provided. Wait for, 'they're not my players', etc, etc at the end of next season!
A straight question Alan. If a manager is given the resources that match any other clubs in the top 10 of that division where do you think he should finish?
Only one club has resources that matches every team in the top 10 and that’s the team with the best resources. If you have the 10th best resources they don’t match any in the top 10.
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Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
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To be a sustainable club in the premiership without spending any more money is a pipe dream.
Who mentioned Premiership?
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Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
Technically no, he just asked a question.
Like me asking "If a manager is paid £1bn a season to manage Rovers, should it be reasonable to expect success?"
I'm not actually stating that DF was paid that.
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To be a sustainable club in the premiership without spending any more money is a pipe dream.
Who mentioned Premiership?
Sorry championship
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So now who am I answering?
DR - if that is your interpretation of the question posed by SM, then the question is hyperthetical. This could go on forever!
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
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Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry.
The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?
And a secondary question as well.
Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?
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All of the above is based on very little actual fact lol.
I havent quoted anything but you like your dig.
Actually that was meant for avsuptem's post but I didn't realise there was more after it. Don't flatter yourself pal.
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Martin I believe your saying we should have finished in nineth or tenth to match the funding he had.
We all wanted that.
But there were circumstances that used that funding that did not help our season.
Williams did not leave the club even though he was transfer listed, his wages plus he didn’t want to leave didn’t help. So we could not get another striker with the funds we had.
Evina who should not been given a three year contract only left the club on loan and we had to pay some of his wages.
Etheridge was injured so could not leave the club. We had to pay his wages.
Andrew best player we signed received a bad tackle and was out for the season.
Therefore we had use funds to bring in Toffolo.
Kiwomya contracted a bad illness and he was out for the season, he did come back but anyone could see psychological he was not ready.
McCullough injury dragged on so we got Houghton early was not planned for the summer as you pointed out to me months ago.
Then January we had to bring in 2 loan centre halves because unfortunately we lost our three in two games.
We had to sign Whiteman, not planned, because his loan was terminated and looked to be going elsewhere. Hence overspending of funds for that season.
I believe if Andrew had remained fit we could have signed another striker in Williams place. We would have finished there. But that’s my opinion doesn’t really count.
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Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry.
The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?
And a secondary question as well.
Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?
How would you define a Top Manager or a Modest Manager?
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Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry.
The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?
And a secondary question as well.
Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?
It completely depends on what the difference between you and the sides around you is. It’s probably the case where the difference between 8th and 16th is very minimal.
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SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?
Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off.
Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something?
My question to you is:
Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
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But it was Fergie who resigned so the board can’t have been unhappy with where we finished last year in fact Gavin has described last season of one to look back on with pride and optimism.
If they were so unhappy with last season surely they would’ve sacked him or at least not let him start signing players.
So I don’t think where we finished last season has any relevance at all with regards Ferguson leaving
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SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?
Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off.
Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something?
My question to you is:
Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
I thought we wanted to get promoted this season, surely that’s a top 2 aim?
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SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?
Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off.
Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something?
My question to you is:
Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
I thought we wanted to get promoted this season, surely that’s a top 2 aim?
Does it not count if you win the playoffs then? I suppose they must be the penalties of promotion methods...
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Let’s not get beyond ourselves it as been recorded rightly or not that the clubs aim is top six it will be hard to achieve that. The budget to achieve and consolidate in that position should be between third to sixth in the league
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SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?
Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off.
Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something?
My question to you is:
Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
I thought we wanted to get promoted this season, surely that’s a top 2 aim?
Does it not count if you win the playoffs then? I suppose they must be the penalties of promotion methods...
Surely the aim, if you are being realistic about promotion, should be top two and the playoffs a lifeline if things don’t go to plan??
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Silent majority, you posted a reply on the 6th June suggesting we had a top 8 budget and now you seem to be suggesting we had a top 10 budget last season. Might seem like splitting hairs but which one is true?
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The thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.
That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain.
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The thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.
That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain.
This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack.
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The thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.
That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain.
This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack.
Why on earth would Peterborough and Lutons budgets be higher ?
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The thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.
That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain.
This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack.
Why on earth would Peterborough and Lutons budgets be higher ?
Peterborough have paid big wages for a while now and receiving millions for their best two players this summer won’t slow down that spending. Luton’s budget last season was huge and they are planning to push on again. Just about to sign Sonny Bradley on massive money which shows their intent. Blew Plymouth’s contract offer out of the water.
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Top 8 or top 10 budget, take either really as last season we were I think in neither position at pretty much any point throughout the entire season, let alone at the end.
We undershot our resources significantly and being safe from relegation a few games shy of the end of the season was celebrated as a major success, while clubs with budgets far less than our own were streets ahead.
As a manager you need to make use of your resources and then some. We managed to undershoot and seemingly piss away our financial strength.
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The thing about budgets in this league is there are usually 4/5/6 teams with significantly higher budgets than the rest. Once you get down to about the 6th highest budgeted team, it just tends to go down very incrementally. As such, having somewhere in the region the 8th-10th biggest budget in the league is not really that much of a significant thing, it puts you a long way behind the big boys and marginally above the small boys.
That's based on having the odd look at other clubs accounts. Regularly looking at our accounts its clear the owners pump in a lot of money so I can't personally find any reason to complain.
This year we will be competing with Sunderland who’s budget will be ten times ours. Barnsley, Charlton, Luton, Peterborough and Pompeys will all be at least double you would think. It’s a tough division. I think Fergie wanted to be in that bracket of clubs as opposed to the mid table pack.
Why on earth would Peterborough and Lutons budgets be higher ?
Peterborough have paid big wages for a while now and receiving millions for their best two players this summer won’t slow down that spending. Luton’s budget last season was huge and they are planning to push on again. Just about to sign Sonny Bradley on massive money which shows their intent. Blew Plymouth’s contract offer out of the water.
Maybe none of them want to be a sustainable club? :chair: :chair:
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Top 8 or top 10 budget, take either really as last season we were I think in neither position at pretty much any point throughout the entire season, let alone at the end.
We undershot our resources significantly and being safe from relegation a few games shy of the end of the season was celebrated as a major success, while clubs with budgets far less than our own were streets ahead.
As a manager you need to make use of your resources and then some. We managed to undershoot and seemingly piss away our financial strength.
As Gaz said earlier the top 7 or 8 budgets in league one will be a lot higher than the others, there will then be a host of clubs all very similar and then 4 or 5 clubs with much smaller budgets.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
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Ah the old "I'll make up a statement and then make you prove me wrong".
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Ah the old "I'll make up a statement and then make you prove me wrong".
Your pal said That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
I stand by what I said. Maybe you want to answer for him?
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You made the initial statement, surely you're the one to back up what you've said? :)
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You made the initial statement, surely you're the one to back up what you've said? :)
What a surprise. So tell me then why am I wrong. I made a statement. If it is incorrect please tell me which part is incorrect.
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So what you're saying is you can't back up what you've said. Thought so. Not responding anymore.
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So what you're saying is you can't back up what you've said. Thought so. Not responding anymore.
Why do I need to back it up? Everything I have said is true. If it isn't then tell me which part isn't. Simple really I would have thought.
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Nah RedJ is bang on. Textbook "prove me wrong on my unfounded statement". A pretty poor attempt at that!
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The owners are putting in £2 million a year to fill gaps and they're not complaining. There's clubs in our league on half the budget we are on living healthy, the owners could just do that.
Stop with this shitty notion we've got tight owners who don't want to spend when they've put in over £20 million pounds in 10 years and the notion that the only way to have success is to hemorrhage a shit ton of money.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
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Were there not 3 directors keeping us in the Championship for 4 years?
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Were there not 3 directors keeping us in the Championship for 4 years?
Yes, but only 2 of them were providing most of the finance.
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Of course attendances dropped. The initial novelty of the new ground increased crowds. That was bound to be temporary. Then, attendances dropped further as the team struggled to win games!
I said, if we"d had stayed in the Championship for longer then maybe the fan base may have grown. But, I was just suggesting a reason why that bit more investment didn't happen.
In my view it takes a generation to really change things, certainly more than 5 years to reduce the risk of the young uns being lured by Leeds, Sheff Utd,, Sheff Wed etc, consistently competing with or above them. But that's another debate.
I' ll stick by the premise that if higher income from higher attendances would more likely encourage more financial input from the owners. Catch 22 maybe.
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Of course attendances dropped. The initial novelty of the new ground increased crowds. That was bound to be temporary. Then, attendances dropped further as the team struggled to win games!
I said, if we"d had stayed in the Championship for longer then maybe the fan base may have grown. But, I was just suggesting a reason why that bit more investment didn't happen.
In my view it takes a generation to really change things, certainly more than 5 years to reduce the risk of the young uns being lured by Leeds, Sheff Utd,, Sheff Wed etc, consistently competing with or above them. But that's another debate.
I' ll stick by the premise that if higher income from higher attendances would more likely encourage more financial input from the owners. Catch 22 maybe.
I can agree with that but the owners have set the target of a top six finish, they are the ones who want by their 5 year plan to consolidate in the Championship by 2022. So to get there they must provides the funds which will achieve their goal.
Then the attendances will grow if we can consolidate in the Championship.
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Yes, but only 2 of them were providing most of the finance.
That makes perfect sense, as 2/3 is greater than 1/3!
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Yes, but only 2 of them were providing most of the finance.
That makes perfect sense, as 2/3 is greater than 1/3!
You missed the use of the word 'only'.
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Silent majority, you posted a reply on the 6th June suggesting we had a top 8 budget and now you seem to be suggesting we had a top 10 budget last season. Might seem like splitting hairs but which one is true?
You might need to read my question again CiM. It was a general question and wasn't specific to DRFC, therefore I'm not suggesting anything.
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SM, first of all, why are you asking me these questions? Have I suddenly become the font of all knowledge?
Anyway, let's skip that one. Just for fun, in answer to question 1, IF we hadn't had the level of injuries that we sustained last season, I believe we would have made top 10 comfortably, that is to say 10th. Check out the league table and the points spread yourself - we were not that far off.
Question 2? We already had a decent manager for the level we were at and the one above, as he met all the criteria that the Club have set out for the new manager. It goes without saying, surely, that to achieve the Club's stated aim, we are going to need a decent squad, or am I missing something?
My question to you is:
Do you believe we have a budget that will meet the Club's stated aim of a top 6 finish this coming season?
I was responding to your post Alan, which is why I asked you the question. Isn't that what we do on here?
In particular I was responding to this comment you made ;
DF believed the funds being provided were insufficient to achieve the stated aim - he did as much as he thought he could with the resources provided. If last season showed anything, it is that we needed much more than we had, to progress under DF's guidance.
My question was a general one, in fact both questions were, but you answered from a DRFC point of view. I was much more interested in the relationship between resources, position in the table and the ability of a manager to manage those resources.
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Hang on, so you are saying our budget matched Wigan, Blackburn and Rotherham's?
No. Just wrote that whilst on the move, sorry.
The question is, if you have resources that put you in the top 10 where do you expect to finish?
And a secondary question as well.
Do you think you should pay for a top manager and a modest squad or a top squad and a modest manager?
It completely depends on what the difference between you and the sides around you is. It’s probably the case where the difference between 8th and 16th is very minimal.
Isn't the difference around you the manager?
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Genuine question and not specific to us but
What if you have a decent budget but a good portion of that is made up of players that you didn’t sign and don’t rate? Should you still then be judged on the budget?
People seem to be thinking the budget is the be all and end all of where sides should finish.
I think there’s has to be more than just that to be considered otherwise you wouldn’t get scenarios such as bury, Burnley, Cardiff, Sunderland, Shrewsbury, Accrington Stanley etc etc etc
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The point is failure is easy. To fail you merely have to have cultivated bad habits.
We can all do that.
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A Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cash
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A Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cash
Aston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?
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What the boards next job is, is to get a better manager than we had last season.
Not easy, but not impossible either.
How many times have people on here heard at work, "I don't know what we will do when he/she leaves who can do their job?" a fortnight later they have been forgotten.
If we had a couple of games this week, and won both with Strachan in charge, most would be more than happy for him to carry on in charge.
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A Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cash
Aston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?
If they had gone up this season they would have far more money at their disposal and wouldn't be needing to worry about winding up orders or what appears to be some big cost-cutting this summer. So you can say it is down to the manager that he hasn't gotten a squad worth more than any other in the division near enough promoted.
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A Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cash
Aston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?
Do you realise how hypocritical you sound? You constantly berate our owners for not overspending to suit your wishes and yet seem ambivalent about another club that has done precisely that.
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A Budget is a Budget weather high or low you work with in that Budget or perish, Look at Aston Villa £51m on five players no promotion in trouble now, winding up orders we do not want that.If you can not work to the budget you have to go the Trouble is so call Managers can only work if they can splash the cash
Aston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?
Do you realise how hypocritical you sound? You constantly berate our owners for not overspending to suit your wishes and yet seem ambivalent about another club that has done precisely that.
I simply pointed out that the winding up order that Nortikorner referred to was due to HMRC not being paid. I will bow to your superior knowledge if that is incorrect.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
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We didn’t fail last season though,
Failure would have been relegation and we never looked like being relegated.
I think if this was Ferguson’s decision as were being led to believe them him leaving has nothing to do with where we finished last season
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
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Would you be happy with spending what Bury did last season then? With the same result?
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But nothing about the bit in bold I was addressing? Any facts to back that up at all?
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OK so maybe the use of the word facts wasn't 100% accurate but the sentiment is true.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But nothing about the bit in bold I was addressing? Any facts to back that up at all?
OK so maybe the use of the word facts wasn't 100% accurate but the sentiment is true.
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'Alternative facts'
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If you ran football clubs on sentiment everybody would get promoted and nobody would be relegated.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
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If you ran football clubs on sentiment everybody would get promoted and nobody would be relegated.
Ha ha a comedian as well. You know exactly what I meant by the use of the word sentiment.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
What do you base that belief on, more sentiment?
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If you ran football clubs on sentiment everybody would get promoted and nobody would be relegated.
Ha ha a comedian as well. You know exactly what I meant by the use of the word sentiment.
I thought you meant it in the emotional sense.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
Would you be happy with spending what Bury did last season then? With the same result?
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I would be happy with spending what Rotherham did last season with the same result!!
Wouldn't you?
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
What do you base that belief on, more sentiment?
So he didn't say that then?
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Aston Villa have been served a winding up order by HMRC for non payment of tax. Is that the Managers fault?
Could well be for asking for more than the budget allows Like some on here
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
What do you base that belief on, more sentiment?
So he didn't say that then?
Why are you trying to turn it to about what TB said when I'm questioning your belief that 'we have achieved that level' of sustainability? Unless TB has said that we've achieved that level of sustainability and I'm not aware of it...which is unlikely given that DRFC are still dependent on somebody (anybody, niot just the current board) chucking £2m at year at them to break even.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
What do you base that belief on, more sentiment?
So he didn't say that then?
Why are you trying to turn it to about what TB said when I'm questioning your belief that 'we have achieved that level' of sustainability? Unless TB has said that we've achieved that level of sustainability and I'm not aware of it...which is unlikely given that DRFC are still dependent on somebody (anybody, niot just the current board) chucking £2m at year at them to break even.
I give in you have won. After a while of banging your head against a brick wall it begins to hurt.
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Gentlemen we all know the facts on the budget are not in the public domain.
We can see from companies house tha Doncaster Rovers Ltd and Club Doncaster ( the major Share holder) have very little Debt. We can see on average that Club Doncaster cover the shortfall hence the owners putting money in to ensure DRFC is a well run club.
But we will never know what wages are hence budget because they are not published. There are a few who do see these figures on behalf of the VSC so they have more knowledge hence perceived more Power in the debate.
What we do know is that next season the manager who ever it may be will be tasked with a top six finish. He will need more quality players to achieve that goal. So funds available will hopefully allow the manager to achieve that goal. Only in hindsight will we know whether the funds will be spent wisely. If we finish in the top six then it can be said the manager as achieve his goal. But things happen in football is not played on a spread sheet. Injuries bad ones can decimate a small squad. Then second string players will have to play more. So we all hope the club can progress but debates will continue. Last season is behind us.
We consolidated in the league, we moved the club forward the CEO publicly in the press said we had a good season. Wanted to progress to an higher postion this season. We achieved 8000+ crowds on average higher than the 7000 base set. We all wanted to finish higher I have give my reason and opinions early in the thread why this was not achieved.
So we all must hope the right manager is selected he can sign the quality players we require, although the biggest part of the squad won’t be his players. But he must try and knit the squad together and the funds available are sufficient to achieve the goal of the directors, board members to progress the club to hopefully a play off place.
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Gentlemen we all know the facts on the budget are not in the public domain.
We can see from companies house tha Doncaster Rovers Ltd and Club Doncaster ( the major Share holder) have very little Debt. We can see on average that Club Doncaster cover the shortfall hence the owners putting money in to ensure DRFC is a well run club.
But we will never know what wages are hence budget because they are not published. There are a few who do see these figures on behalf of the VSC so they have more knowledge hence perceived more Power in the debate.
What we do know is that next season the manager who ever it may be will be tasked with a top six finish. He will need more quality players to achieve that goal. So funds available will hopefully allow the manager to achieve that goal. Only in hindsight will we know whether the funds will be spent wisely. If we finish in the top six then it can be said the manager as achieve his goal. But things happen in football is not played on a spread sheet. Injuries bad ones can decimate a small squad. Then second string players will have to play more. So we all hope the club can progress but debates will continue. Last season is behind us.
We consolidated in the league, we moved the club forward the CEO publicly in the press said we had a good season. Wanted to progress to an higher postion this season. We achieved 8000+ crowds on average higher than the 7000 base set. We all wanted to finish higher I have give my reason and opinions early in the thread why this was not achieved.
So we all must hope the right manager is selected he can sign the quality players we require, although the biggest part of the squad won’t be his players. But he must try and knit the squad together and the funds available are sufficient to achieve the goal of the directors, board members to progress the club to hopefully a play off place.
Fair assessment Steve.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
What do you base that belief on, more sentiment?
So he didn't say that then?
Why are you trying to turn it to about what TB said when I'm questioning your belief that 'we have achieved that level' of sustainability? Unless TB has said that we've achieved that level of sustainability and I'm not aware of it...which is unlikely given that DRFC are still dependent on somebody (anybody, niot just the current board) chucking £2m at year at them to break even.
I give in you have won. After a while of banging your head against a brick wall it begins to hurt.
Thank goodness for that.
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Gentlemen we all know the facts on the budget are not in the public domain.
We can see from companies house tha Doncaster Rovers Ltd and Club Doncaster ( the major Share holder) have very little Debt. We can see on average that Club Doncaster cover the shortfall hence the owners putting money in to ensure DRFC is a well run club.
But we will never know what wages are hence budget because they are not published. There are a few who do see these figures on behalf of the VSC so they have more knowledge hence perceived more Power in the debate.
What we do know is that next season the manager who ever it may be will be tasked with a top six finish. He will need more quality players to achieve that goal. So funds available will hopefully allow the manager to achieve that goal. Only in hindsight will we know whether the funds will be spent wisely. If we finish in the top six then it can be said the manager as achieve his goal. But things happen in football is not played on a spread sheet. Injuries bad ones can decimate a small squad. Then second string players will have to play more. So we all hope the club can progress but debates will continue. Last season is behind us.
We consolidated in the league, we moved the club forward the CEO publicly in the press said we had a good season. Wanted to progress to an higher postion this season. We achieved 8000+ crowds on average higher than the 7000 base set. We all wanted to finish higher I have give my reason and opinions early in the thread why this was not achieved.
So we all must hope the right manager is selected he can sign the quality players we require, although the biggest part of the squad won’t be his players. But he must try and knit the squad together and the funds available are sufficient to achieve the goal of the directors, board members to progress the club to hopefully a play off place.
A well run club where the Director has to put in £2 million to balance the books every season?
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How can it be well run if he has to put 2 million quid in to balance the books? With the knowledge of what money can be made by investing enough to reap the benefits of Championship (as promised), and, God forbid Premiership football, why not go the extra mile to attain it?
One season in the Premiership he can then get his money back and bugger off.
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Surely we all recognise there's no guarantee that chucking X million at the club there no guarantee of promotion, even to the Championship nevermind the Premier League?
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You're right, there are no guarantees.
But if that X is intended as a Roman numeral it would help.
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So do we see last season as a failure or a success?
The current squad needs additions but not a major overhaul to be somewhere near the play-offs next season. It's about making the right signings and playing players where they are most effective, not the amount of money thrown at the squad. IMHO, there is enough talent and experience to be competitive with the right man in charge.
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At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
At the end of the day let's all accept the facts. We are a league 1 club with directors whose personal wealth is probably in the region of half a billion pounds.
They are prepared to keep the club going with the least amount of finance that will enable us to remain in this division but not risk trying to get any higher.
So the result is we are a sustainable league 1 club. Let just accept that and get on with it. Forget championship football unless we acheive a fluke it aint going to happen.
That is completely unfounded, not a fact at all.
That is your opinion. I think otherwise.
You might have to look up what a fact actually is in that case.
Do you want to point out where I am wrong then and back it up with facts?
The bit in bold. Facts? The fact they've already financed us into the Championship once already and paid to keep us there for four seasons.
Now then, where are your facts?
Still waiting for Cantley's 'facts'.
Is it not a fact that our directors Net worth is approx half a billion pounds?
By donating £1m each season the directors are keeping us in league 1 or 2?
Are the directors prepared to risk going above that £1m per person per season to give the Manager more funds to try and achieve promotion?
But they do? You might wanna read the accounts x
I guess we're still waiting on facts from Cantley.
Do you remember the question being put to TB at the first meet the owners meeting after JR left?
From memory It was along the lines of "Will you be putting more money in?"
TB stated that the intention was to aim for a sustainable club operating at a level we are comfortable with. I believe that we have achieved that level.
What do you base that belief on, more sentiment?
So he didn't say that then?
Why are you trying to turn it to about what TB said when I'm questioning your belief that 'we have achieved that level' of sustainability? Unless TB has said that we've achieved that level of sustainability and I'm not aware of it...which is unlikely given that DRFC are still dependent on somebody (anybody, niot just the current board) chucking £2m at year at them to break even.
I give in you have won. After a while of banging your head against a brick wall it begins to hurt.
Thank goodness for that.
Nobody quote this please.
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How can it be well run if he has to put 2 million quid in to balance the books? With the knowledge of what money can be made by investing enough to reap the benefits of Championship (as promised), and, God forbid Premiership football, why not go the extra mile to attain it?
One season in the Premiership he can then get his money back and bugger off.
Because if we invest and don't get the success then it's a waste of money. Look at Villas attempt at chucking money at the problem.
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How can it be well run if he has to put 2 million quid in to balance the books? With the knowledge of what money can be made by investing enough to reap the benefits of Championship (as promised), and, God forbid Premiership football, why not go the extra mile to attain it?
One season in the Premiership he can then get his money back and bugger off.
Because if we invest and don't get the success then it's a waste of money. Look at Villas attempt at chucking money at the problem.
......And they're still a league higher than us.
Look at Bournemouth's attempt at chucking money at the problem.
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How can it be well run if he has to put 2 million quid in to balance the books? With the knowledge of what money can be made by investing enough to reap the benefits of Championship (as promised), and, God forbid Premiership football, why not go the extra mile to attain it?
One season in the Premiership he can then get his money back and bugger off.
Because if we invest and don't get the success then it's a waste of money. Look at Villas attempt at chucking money at the problem.
......And they're still a league higher than us.
Look at Bournemouth's attempt at chucking money at the problem.
And there will always be times where it's failed and left clubs in financial difficulty, despite some succeeding.
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
This is what makes me laugh with some of the sustainable club comments on this forum. So the directors put in £2m a year to make the club sustainable. Wouldn't the club be even more sustainable if they put in £5m for example.
I will now sit back and wait for all the "Well you put the extra money in" comments.
Ambition? Huh.
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
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I suspect however you beat the drum about what you perceive to be under funding, it ain't going to change anytime soon.
If you feel your approach would be so much more beneficial for all concerned why not e-mail the club or save it for the 'Meet the Owners' event and challenge TB directly?
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
How are we in financial difficulty? We have no debt, at all. We pay our bills on time and honour our commitments.
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
This is what makes me laugh with some of the sustainable club comments on this forum. So the directors put in £2m a year to make the club sustainable. Wouldn't the club be even more sustainable if they put in £5m for example.
I will now sit back and wait for all the "Well you put the extra money in" comments.
Ambition? Huh.
Depends how much risk the owners want to take.
One form of potential longer-term sustainability would be "pump priming" the club with a few extra million a year for a while, hoping the club gets into the Championship, hope it stays there and does reasonably well, attracts the next generation of fans with a successful team and cheap(er) tickets/season tickets and an amazing matchday experience, and hoping that will boost the club to the next level by the time they come to sell it.
Obviously that would increase the short-to-medium term risks and potentially threaten future sustainability so it's a tightrope.
They are taking the slower and more cautious approach, which is laudable and of course completely up to them.
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
Well he must be really niaive then to have loaned his club £30m over 6 years with very little hope of getting it back.
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You said it.
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You said it.
What a surprise. I just knew who would be the first to react.
I guess the difference is though he is a Rotherham fan.
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
This is what makes me laugh with some of the sustainable club comments on this forum. So the directors put in £2m a year to make the club sustainable. Wouldn't the club be even more sustainable if they put in £5m for example.
I will now sit back and wait for all the "Well you put the extra money in" comments.
Ambition? Huh.
No they don't. They put £2 million in because the club isn't sustainable. Sustainable means the club generating all its own revenue and not having to rely on very generous people bailing them out year after year. The current board are trying to get DRFC sustainable to safeguard they future when they aren't there to plug the gap any more.
What makes me laugh are comments about being a sustainable club by people who don't understand what 'sustainable' means.
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
Well he must be really niaive then to have loaned his club £30m over 6 years with very little hope of getting it back.
It still means RUFC have debts of £30m on their books.
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
This is what makes me laugh with some of the sustainable club comments on this forum. So the directors put in £2m a year to make the club sustainable. Wouldn't the club be even more sustainable if they put in £5m for example.
I will now sit back and wait for all the "Well you put the extra money in" comments.
Ambition? Huh.
No they don't. They put £2 million in because the club isn't sustainable. Sustainable means the club generating all its own revenue and not having to rely on very generous people bailing them out year after year. The current board are trying to get DRFC sustainable to safeguard they future when they aren't there to plug the gap any more.
What makes me laugh iare comments about being a sustainable club by people who don't understand what 'sustainable' means.
I know exactly what sustainable means.
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
Well he must be really niaive then to have loaned his club £30m over 6 years with very little hope of getting it back.
It still means RUFC have debts of £30m on their books.
And guess who the club is in debt to? Tony Stewart. just in case you didn't know. He is the bloke who lent them £30 duh
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So how does putting £2m in make the club sustainable then? If the club were sustainable no-one would need to put any money in at all!
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
Well he must be really niaive then to have loaned his club £30m over 6 years with very little hope of getting it back.
It still means RUFC have debts of £30m on their books.
And guess who the club is in debt to? Tony Stewart. just in case you didn't know. He is the bloke who lent them £30 duh
I know that. And when he sells the club does £30m of debt disappear from RUFC's acounts? Duh.
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Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
Well he must be really niaive then to have loaned his club £30m over 6 years with very little hope of getting it back.
It still means RUFC have debts of £30m on their books.
And guess who the club is in debt to? Tony Stewart. just in case you didn't know. He is the bloke who lent them £30 duh
Here's this fella from early Feb 17
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385 (https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/rotherham-united-big-promotion-budget-if-millers-go-down-says-stewart-1-8378385)
"The budget next season in League One would be one of the top four again".
Guess where they finished
And look how much of his own money he has put into the club.
Don't you mean how much of his money has he loaned RUFC? A significant difference.
Well he must be really niaive then to have loaned his club £30m over 6 years with very little hope of getting it back.
It still means RUFC have debts of £30m on their books.
And guess who the club is in debt to? Tony Stewart. just in case you didn't know. He is the bloke who lent them £30 duh
I know that. And when he sells the club does £30m of debt disappear from RUFC's acounts? Duh.
Do you really think he would be able to sell the club for £30m and get his money back?
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When you've got £30m of debts on your books it makes it much easier to end up in administration. And I believe they count against the club under FFP rules.
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When you've got £30m of debts on your books it makes it much easier to end up in administration. And I believe they count against the club under FFP rules.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
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Go on then, answer this one - if he really doesn't care about the money, why doesn't he do what our board do instead of leaving it as debt on the club's books?
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Go on then, answer this one - if he really doesn't care about the money, why doesn't he do what our board do instead of leaving it as debt on the club's books?
I can no more answer for him than answer for our board.
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Go on then, answer this one - if he really doesn't care about the money, why doesn't he do what our board do instead of leaving it as debt on the club's books?
I can no more answer for him than answer for our board.
I wasn't asking you to answer for him. I was asking what you think.
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
How are we in financial difficulty? We have no debt, at all. We pay our bills on time and honour our commitments.
SM, surely the owners wouldn't have to subsidize the club to the tune of 2 million quid if it wasn't in financial difficulty. It certainly doesn't seem to run in a self-sustaining manner if it's being topped-up to pay the debts.
My suggestion is that the sooner the club reaches a sustainable Championship level the better off financially it will be, and perhaps more financially self- sustaining. Of course, this will need more financial investment initially before it bears fruit.
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Go on then, answer this one - if he really doesn't care about the money, why doesn't he do what our board do instead of leaving it as debt on the club's books?
I can no more answer for him than answer for our board.
I wasn't asking you to answer for him. I was asking what you think.
Read what you posted. What I think is irrelevant. What the Rotherham chairman does is his concern. As it is with the DRFC directors.
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Glyn - he might well convert his debt to equity. For several years we owed Bramall and Watson a large amount before they converted it.
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Go on then, answer this one - if he really doesn't care about the money, why doesn't he do what our board do instead of leaving it as debt on the club's books?
I can no more answer for him than answer for our board.
I wasn't asking you to answer for him. I was asking what you think.
Read what you posted. What I think is irrelevant. What the Rotherham chairman does is his concern. As it is with the DRFC directors.
I'll bear that in mind in future.
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Glyn - he might well convert his debt to equity. For several years we owed Bramall and Watson a large amount before they converted it.
That's true, but from what I remember they couldn't do it whilst JR also owned a third of the club for some reason.
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Go on then, answer this one - if he really doesn't care about the money, why doesn't he do what our board do instead of leaving it as debt on the club's books?
I can no more answer for him than answer for our board.
I wasn't asking you to answer for him. I was asking what you think.
Read what you posted. What I think is irrelevant. What the Rotherham chairman does is his concern. As it is with the DRFC directors.
I'll bear that in mind in future.
I actually think BB sums it up pretty well. But that means putting extra money in which you seem to be totally against.
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I agree with the target of being a sustainable Championship club but I don't agree with being foolhardy with the club's future and not being certain of being sustainable once you get there - there's certainly no guarantee of it. The club are taking the time to try to make the club more self-sufficient along the way and not putting it further in to hock, which is a more sensible option to me. We've already lost one of the Keepmoat Two, what would happen if we suddenly lost the other one?
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If our owners have to put 2 million quid in the pot to keep us afloat don't you think we're in financial difficulty already?
How are we in financial difficulty? We have no debt, at all. We pay our bills on time and honour our commitments.
SM, surely the owners wouldn't have to subsidize the club to the tune of 2 million quid if it wasn't in financial difficulty. It certainly doesn't seem to run in a self-sustaining manner if it's being topped-up to pay the debts.
My suggestion is that the sooner the club reaches a sustainable Championship level the better off financially it will be, and perhaps more financially self- sustaining. Of course, this will need more financial investment initially before it bears fruit.
BB, let me emphasise, the club isn't in financial difficulty in any shape or form.
However the board of directors choose to operate at this level which means they are subsidising the club to the tune of £2m per season. But it's a choice, not a necessity.
One of the major reasons for doing so is because the off field activities and the commercial operating arm of Club Doncaster are doing exceptionally well. There will come a time shortly where their input will not be needed, and to be honest that could happen now if required, but it's not.
Terry has always insisted that he would hand the club over, debt free, to someone else if that person could do a better job than him. He doesn't want his money back, but until that person comes along he'll carry on doing what he's doing.
I don't see any downside to that, and believe me, in this game that's a rarity.
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Thanks, SM, I didn't know that.
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That's always been his stance, if someone comes along with a sensible offer and he can leave the club in their hands he'll do so until that happens he'll work on making the club sustain itself - and listen to possible suitors - how do you think the jr/lt thing even got considered - show me your plans and we'll listen - if it ain't gonna work we'll keep things going with our overall goal!
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If we ever do get back to the Championship, given that most weeks the away end would be much busier than it is in L1 and sometimes sold out and better, I think I am correct in saying that with ticket sales and add on that scenario alone is worth an extra £1m per season.
Obviously some of that income would have to go to wages for better players to keep us there but also, if we could stay up and rattle a few cages the home support could increase too.
On top of the hardcore fan base the floating fans will come and see a successful team.
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That's what I don't get about all the "they don't want us in the Championship" lark. Why would they actively not want us to gain more income?
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If we ever do get back to the Championship, given that most weeks the away end would be much busier than it is in L1 and sometimes sold out and better, I think I am correct in saying that with ticket sales and add on that scenario alone is worth an extra £1m per season.
Obviously some of that income would have to go to wages for better players to keep us there but also, if we could stay up and rattle a few cages the home support could increase too.
On top of the hardcore fan base the floating fans will come and see a successful team.
It's worth much more than that, the solidarity payments run to several millions more when in the Championship.
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If we ever do get back to the Championship, given that most weeks the away end would be much busier than it is in L1 and sometimes sold out and better, I think I am correct in saying that with ticket sales and add on that scenario alone is worth an extra £1m per season.
Obviously some of that income would have to go to wages for better players to keep us there but also, if we could stay up and rattle a few cages the home support could increase too.
On top of the hardcore fan base the floating fans will come and see a successful team.
It's worth much more than that, the solidarity payments run to several millions more when in the Championship.
Obviously I don’t know how much those payments add up to SM but clearly, if they are what you say then that £2m per season that some posters are on about would not be required.
As RedJ posted, why would anyone not want us to get into the Championship?
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If we ever do get back to the Championship, given that most weeks the away end would be much busier than it is in L1 and sometimes sold out and better, I think I am correct in saying that with ticket sales and add on that scenario alone is worth an extra £1m per season.
Obviously some of that income would have to go to wages for better players to keep us there but also, if we could stay up and rattle a few cages the home support could increase too.
On top of the hardcore fan base the floating fans will come and see a successful team.
It's worth much more than that, the solidarity payments run to several millions more when in the Championship.
Obviously I don’t know how much those payments add up to SM but clearly, if they are what you say then that £2m per season that some posters are on about would not be required.
As RedJ posted, why would anyone not want us to get into the Championship?
It's been said many a time, it's easier to balance the books in the Championship than it is in LG1, the extra revenue outweighs the costs.
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We're looking at somewhere over £6 million more than what we get now.
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That's what I don't get about all the "they don't want us in the Championship" lark. Why would they actively not want us to gain more income?
I think the point many of us are trying to make and you cannot see it is. "Why would they actively not want us to gain more income" I am sure they do but have you never heard the expression "Speculate to accumulate?" There doesn't seem to be much evidence of any real speculation.
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The financial bubble of the premiership essentially means relegated clubs need grotesque amounts of money just to not go bust. Which makes it essentially unpractical for smaller teams to compete without huge short-term financial speculation or a miracle.
Of course the odd one occasionally does go bust which gives the illusion of competitiveness.
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The financial bubble of the premiership essentially means relegated clubs need grotesque amounts of money just to not go bust. Which makes it essentially unpractical for smaller teams to compete without huge short-term financial speculation or a miracle.
Of course the odd one occasionally does go bust which gives the illusion of competitiveness.
The thing that no-one has mentioned yet is that every other club in the division gets that income too. So just getting to the Championship isn't the end of the ambition, it's staying there that's the real struggle.
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The financial bubble of the premiership essentially means relegated clubs need grotesque amounts of money just to not go bust. Which makes it essentially unpractical for smaller teams to compete without huge short-term financial speculation or a miracle.
Of course the odd one occasionally does go bust which gives the illusion of competitiveness.
The thing that no-one has mentioned yet is that every other club in the division gets that income too. So just getting to the Championship isn't the end of the ambition, it's staying there that's the real struggle.
I think that anyone with a brain would know that a small club like us would always have a problem just staying up in the Championship.
It has been evident for some years.
Irrespective of that, the point is that the extra money goes a long way to the sustainability that is being discussed.
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Would we be sustainable in the championship if we also aimed to sustain our league position, in the championship?
Because every league seems to have lots teams hell bent on promotion that and will throw everything they have at it. Doesn't this mean we'd just have to increase our wages, to compete, to a level that means outside investment (more like charity) will again be required?
If we can produce some sellable players that will make it easier to be sustainable but i just think football in this country is basically on financial steroids and no one can compete and be sustainable at the same time because then your the only one not on steroids at the olympics!
Not that i expect massive handouts from the owners i'm just lamenting how overinflated it all is
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That's what I don't get about all the "they don't want us in the Championship" lark. Why would they actively not want us to gain more income?
I think the point many of us are trying to make and you cannot see it is. "Why would they actively not want us to gain more income" I am sure they do but have you never heard the expression "Speculate to accumulate?" There doesn't seem to be much evidence of any real speculation.
I'd rather build the club up year on year than spunk a f**k ton of money for the sake of looking like we're "going for it" and hope it sticks.
I can see exactly the point you and others make, I just don't agree with it.
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Will be interesting comparison given that the budget is seemingly in the same region as last season, whether our new manager can best our frankly piss poor football last season and modest league performance.
I put last season in same bucket as the first season back in League One after we got relegated from the Championship under Dickov ie totally forgettable and a black hole of nothingness. Dull. Turgid. Bland.
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That's what I don't get about all the "they don't want us in the Championship" lark. Why would they actively not want us to gain more income?
I think the point many of us are trying to make and you cannot see it is. "Why would they actively not want us to gain more income" I am sure they do but have you never heard the expression "Speculate to accumulate?" There doesn't seem to be much evidence of any real speculation.
I'd rather build the club up year on year than spunk a f**k ton of money for the sake of looking like we're "going for it" and hope it sticks.
I can see exactly the point you and others make, I just don't agree with it.
I agree build up within our means and budget.
Can you imagine if the board said stuff it one last go instead of 2 million this year it will be 4 million but if we fail then you will get nothing next season oh and sorry but we can’t afford to write off that debt so it will stay with the club.
Now imagine if it fails the club now has 4 million quid of debt, can’t afford to buy any one has expensive players on big wages that most clubs may not want, the manager may have quit.
We drop out of league one relying on loans and youth and players who not want to be here. So called fans start calling for the board to go, so they think stuff it and quit too putting the club up for sale to the first person or group that comes along. We start in league 2 we get a no named manager and players we don’t recognise, by Xmas we are in the bottom 2 fans call for the manager to go so new owner does just that another no name manager from some under 23 side in Europe comes in brings in a few youngsters thinks start to look up a few wins great we will be ok then it happens the injury crisis. We slide down the league and get relegated in our final match against Grimsby.
Or that may not happen but it’s happened to so many other clubs you think people may have learnt their lessons by now.
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Once bitten, twice shy? The shenanigans over the fall out from the first spell in the Championship, the Experiment, the loss of JR's funding and the two takeover attempts may have taken their toll when trying to stabilise the club. The Club Doncaster concept, muted when JR was still around, was scoffed at but now we can see that the income to replace that shortfall post the Three Amigos was a sound business initiative.
Wages can easily spiral and before you know it, the annual commitment can double or triple.
As much as we would like to see additional quality players, I would not ask anyone to take gamble on my behalf. Call me a happy clapper if you like but I'm in the camp that thinks we can do better with the financial resources we have and the risks already being underwritten.
On the pitch, I didn't see a gulf between our near neighbours. What I did see could be resolved between the ears and that in my view was down to preparation, mental conditioning of the players and tactical changes. It was a theme that recurred. Let's face it, there's hundreds of threads throughout the season relating to our inability to see out games. That said, no one said it was going to be easy and it won't be easy for the new manager. Winning promotion is difficult. Even after the wheeling and dealing is done it has to be earned on the pitch.
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That's what I don't get about all the "they don't want us in the Championship" lark. Why would they actively not want us to gain more income?
I think the point many of us are trying to make and you cannot see it is. "Why would they actively not want us to gain more income" I am sure they do but have you never heard the expression "Speculate to accumulate?" There doesn't seem to be much evidence of any real speculation.
I'd rather build the club up year on year than spunk a f**k ton of money for the sake of looking like we're "going for it" and hope it sticks.
I can see exactly the point you and others make, I just don't agree with it.
I agree build up within our means and budget.
Can you imagine if the board said stuff it one last go instead of 2 million this year it will be 4 million but if we fail then you will get nothing next season oh and sorry but we can’t afford to write off that debt so it will stay with the club.
Now imagine if it fails the club now has 4 million quid of debt, can’t afford to buy any one has expensive players on big wages that most clubs may not want, the manager may have quit.
We drop out of league one relying on loans and youth and players who not want to be here. So called fans start calling for the board to go, so they think stuff it and quit too putting the club up for sale to the first person or group that comes along. We start in league 2 we get a no named manager and players we don’t recognise, by Xmas we are in the bottom 2 fans call for the manager to go so new owner does just that another no name manager from some under 23 side in Europe comes in brings in a few youngsters thinks start to look up a few wins great we will be ok then it happens the injury crisis. We slide down the league and get relegated in our final match against Grimsby.
Or that may not happen but it’s happened to so many other clubs you think people may have learnt their lessons by now.
What, many other clubs have been relegated after their final game against Grimsby?
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Look at what is happening at Villa! Threw money at it and now deep in the doo doo, Derby also having problems. These things aren’t going away and we will see more and more of these so called big clubs who have flaunted ffp start to have problems. The bubble is starting to burst, bt have announced they didn’t get back what they hoped from premier and champions league football, yes Amazon are going to show games but the amount the company’s bid will lower due to people cancelling subscriptions. Being run properly will pay dividends in the long run.
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And Villa still have two years of parachute payments!
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When we were relegated from the Championship last time the board stated that the days of big signings were over and from now on the club was going to produce homegrown talent from within. Bearing in mind that we had the second lowest budget in the Championship, I thought to say it was a lack of ambition was an understatement. From talking to other supporters I found I wasn't alone with that opinion. I believe many people are still of the same opinion now.
Since that relegation, there has been very little to cheer about, other than the rectification of another relegation with a promotion that put us back to square one. As well as on the pitch stagnation, there has been very little off the pitch progress reported. There seems to be a distinct lack of information from the club. The progress it has achieved is not being made common knowledge. An example of that is the 2 million quid the board pumps in to keep us afloat is not a necessity any more. Prior knowledge of this info would have been great publicity regarding the progress they have made off the pitch.
Now with this in mind, perhaps we might see the necessary improvement on the pitch. Our last promotion to the Championship was down to the size of the budget. Hopefully, some of the money saved from the improved running of the club can be used in the same way.
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And Villa still have two years of parachute payments!
They’ve already had one of the two owed. They got it paid early.
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You look at Villa's squad and you struggle to work out how they are in such a position it's hardly full of superstars yet the money they have spent on wages and transfers is eye watering..They bought a lot of average for top top buck..
They couldn't even afford to give the players new suits for the play off final..They really needed to win that and when they didn't they knew they were goosed..
Like at any level it's easy to say offload the players etc etc but like we had with Williams,even if clubs are interested if the players are getting paid more than anybody else will offer,they wont go anywhere..
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Maybe its me who cannot understand what I have just read on here but it seems we no longer need the £2m each season the owners currently put in and the club can stand on its own feet.
Surely if this is the case should the figures not show we are making £2m a year profit?
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No because we are spending an extra £2m on activities that are for the long term good of the club rather than immediate on the pitch activities, that's how i interpret it anyway.
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I'd love to see our club make a small profit every season without a couple of million each season from the board...and I wouldn't care if it was in league 2. I'm thankful our board has done what it has...but give me a Mitchell Lund from the youth team over a Cedric Evina any day.
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You look at Villa's squad and you struggle to work out how they are in such a position it's hardly full of superstars yet the money they have spent on wages and transfers is eye watering..They bought a lot of average for top top buck..
They couldn't even afford to give the players new suits for the play off final..They really needed to win that and when they didn't they knew they were goosed..
Like at any level it's easy to say offload the players etc etc but like we had with Williams,even if clubs are interested if the players are getting paid more than anybody else will offer,they wont go anywhere..
Villa is pretty full of players who once played in the prem (even though they aren't that good) which means contracts will be ridiculous.
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I'd love to see our club make a small profit every season without a couple of million each season from the board...and I wouldn't care if it was in league 2. I'm thankful our board has done what it has...but give me a Mitchell Lund from the youth team over a Cedric Evina any day.
Good job you are in Canada and don't have to watch it then.
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No because we are spending an extra £2m on activities that are for the long term good of the club rather than immediate on the pitch activities, that's how i interpret it anyway.
In addition, we need to remember the club have made significant concessions on ticket prices to try and cement the future growth with cheap as chips prices for kids and youth etc. I go back to 2009/10 ish and my St for the West stand was just short of £500! Whilst season memberships may be up, the income per head will have reduced significantly.
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I'm cynically waiting to see what actually happens to Villa before I take them as an example.
I'm not saying that nothing will happen, but there does seem to be an inconsistency around things like this.
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If you really want to see how lucky we are try reading this from Andy Holt at Accrington Stanley. It's on twitter;
https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/1005747335694114816
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We have got good owners but Accy target this season will be same as ours last. When you set out to consolidate in the top six then it’s a difference bal game. It’s not about hoping we will achieve it’s about being pro active to ensure we do.
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We have got good owners but Accy target this season will be same as ours last. When you set out to consolidate in the top six then it’s a difference bal game. It’s not about hoping we will achieve it’s about being pro active to ensure we do.
Who said anything about hoping to achieve? I think the club are well aware of what they have to do.
The point about Accy is that they had the lowest budget of the whole 92 clubs last season and yet they still managed a successful season.
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Who said anything about hoping to achieve? I think the club are well aware of what they have to do.
I am happy that the club has set its goals and believe it’s achievable and it appears you believe that we can do it this season.