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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on June 13, 2018, 08:11:01 am
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Is more or less going to give all offside decisions. Does anyone think that this will be the return of the old Arsenal one arm in the air well drilled, let them run on game.
Done well it makes the field smaller, restricts a team from getting in your box, and is a very different tac tic to what modern forwards are used to, when defenders track runners towards their own goal.
A team adapting to it well in this competition could do well.
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Didn't Roma try to do that against Liverpool (if a high line is what your on about) ok a few of the goals may have been ruled out by video ref by it was still a blood bath
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They should stick var where the sun don’t shine and stop spoiling the game
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They should stick var where the sun don’t shine and stop spoiling the game
I'm sure Diego Maradonna would agree with you! ;)
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They should stick var where the sun don’t shine and stop spoiling the game
I'm sure Diego Maradonna would agree with you! ;)
Exactly - one of the most iconic, memorable and entertaining moments in World Cup history.
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And your still talking about it . Var will destroy the fun of talking about the game after the game and you will have no controversy to talk about . Yeah fun that hey 😳 1966 did the ball cross the line ?
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Yep, the man that mattered said so, that may change now, but it was all we had back then.
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I for one will not watch football with var
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And your still talking about it . Var will destroy the fun of talking about the game after the game and you will have no controversy to talk about . Yeah fun that hey 😳 1966 did the ball cross the line ?
German national football museum has a voting machine for this, funnily enough the Germans have a different outlook to what we do. The evil eye i got for pressing over the line was worth it!
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And your still talking about it . Var will destroy the fun of talking about the game after the game and you will have no controversy to talk about . Yeah fun that hey 😳 1966 did the ball cross the line ?
Yeah, this forum is going to be tumbleweed all through the World Cup.
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I for one will not watch football with var
Good thing you don't watch football anyway then eh Mick.
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Clear and obvious error isn't even in the official wording of how VAR is to be used is it? I'm fairly sure it's a phrase that's just crept into the narrative somehow, probably because the people moaning about it have had decisions go against them because of it.
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I saw the list of officials announced for the opening game. There are now NINE officials including the VAR crew. A referee, two assistants, fourth official, fifth official (in case one of the assistants is injured) and four on VAR (all in full referee kit).
Apparently there is a main VAR, who actually makes the decisions, plus three assistants. One assistant watches live play while the VAR is reviewing an incident, another watches offsides only and there is a reserve - presumably in case one of the others pulls a muscle watching the screen! Reminds me of one of those jokes about how many people it takes to change a light bulb.
I don't like to hold Rugby Union up as an example but they seem to manage fine with one TMO.
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You could see it as a positive. Jobs are being lost all over the place, these days. You can't get through a week without a major firm announcing redundancies. But not football, no, football is creating new positions!
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I suppose that is one way of looking at it. It will eventually become a good job for retired referees. As someone who hung up my whistle a few years ago, maybe I should apply?
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Maybe most of us have a poor opinion of VAR because of the poor way in which it has been handled in this country?
VAR has been consistently poorly used but then we have some of the poorest referees too so maybe we shouldn't be surprised.
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Not a fan of VAR at all, but linesmen keeping their flags down and letting technology make the decisions can only be a good thing.
As Collina's said in his interview yesterday, if a lino sticks his flag up and he gets it wrong, there's no way to rescind that. By keeping it down and allowing play to continue, you can review it after to correct something if there's been an error.
I'm not sure a tight offside call classes in the 'clear and obvious error' terminology, but there you go!
I'm inclined to agree...although I expect people will still complain as we're more likely to see more disallowed goals when offsides are picked up by VAR. I quite like that though...adds to the drama...and I expect it won't stop teams\fans celebrating as per usual until a goal is chalked off.
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I think the main problem is you've no idea what's being seen or said when there is a review if you're actually at the game. Compare that to rugby, and you get to see the review on the big screen and the official is microphoned - or at least the referee is, so you can hear what he's saying in relation to the decision and he then repeats the decision for the players on the pitch.
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I saw the list of officials announced for the opening game. There are now NINE officials including the VAR crew. A referee, two assistants, fourth official, fifth official (in case one of the assistants is injured) and four on VAR (all in full referee kit).
Apparently there is a main VAR, who actually makes the decisions, plus three assistants. One assistant watches live play while the VAR is reviewing an incident, another watches offsides only and there is a reserve - presumably in case one of the others pulls a muscle watching the screen! Reminds me of one of those jokes about how many people it takes to change a light bulb.
I don't like to hold Rugby Union up as an example but they seem to manage fine with one TMO.
“All in full referee kit”.
What difference would it make if they were just in, say, shorts, flip flops and tee shirts?
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“All in full referee kit”.
What difference would it make if they were just in, say, shorts, flip flops and tee shirts?
Discipline, focus, on the job. Proper workers - none of this cas, sofa sitting, chill out game of pinball, time out, new fangled sloppiness :police:
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“All in full referee kit”.
What difference would it make if they were just in, say, shorts, flip flops and tee shirts?
Discipline, focus, on the job. Proper workers - none of this cas, sofa sitting, chill out game of pinball, time out, new fangled sloppiness :police:
They shouldn’t be doing the job if they were not all of the above though.
Will they have to wear their boots as well to enable them to meet the criteria.
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Having the VAR crew wearing a uniform shirt or jacket makes sense. The rest seems over the top.
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They are apparently wearing full referee uniform whilst sat in a studio in Moscow - be like me wearing a full England kit whilst watching the game....... bonkers
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They are apparently wearing full referee uniform whilst sat in a studio in Moscow - be like me wearing a full England kit whilst watching the game....... bonkers
Which kit are you wearing then?
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They are apparently wearing full referee uniform whilst sat in a studio in Moscow - be like me wearing a full England kit whilst watching the game....... bonkers
Which kit are you wearing then?
Clown
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It would have been 2v2 at half time against Germany when Lampard scored. Please bring in VAR for crap decisions
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Controversial take here - if you are over 16 and wearing any part of a replica kit away from playing on a football pitch, questions need to be asked. Potentially by the police.
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Controversial take here - if you are over 16 and wearing any part of a replica kit away from playing on a football pitch, questions need to be asked. Potentially by the police.
Hard drives definitely need confiscating.
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Controversial take here - if you are over 16 and wearing any part of a replica kit away from playing on a football pitch, questions need to be asked. Potentially by the police.
Looks like I’m getting arrested for having the temerity to wear an England shirt into work at my Edinburgh office on Monday.
Either that or I’m getting beaten up.
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Totally agree, we were miles behind them. I think we'd have lost anyway but it certainly didn't help. It's also the thing that caused FIFA's about turn on video technology from "no chance we're doing that" to "okay we'll have to look at it".
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It would have been 2v2 at half time against Germany when Lampard scored. Please bring in VAR for crap decisions
I agree Padge, and don't forget the Maradonna handball. Slaven Bilic talked about VAR before the Russia game, and stated that nobody likes it, but it is essential for fairness.
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What is people’s opinion on the referees use of VAR in yesterday’s match?
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VAR is great in some cases. It's being far too overused. Wish the refs would book players making appeals.
Having said that, I wish VAR would be used for players diving, feigning fouls, and book them!
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Good use of VAR in the Sweden/S Korea game today (great pen too).
What was interesting was how the ref blew to stop play whilst the Koreans were in on goal. The rule is that if play is ongoing it should only stop if the ball goes out of play, the keeper is in possession of it, or if play is bobbling about in the middle of the field.
If a team scores, as could have happened, then that goal stands if the VAR decision is not to return to the VAR incident.
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Good use of VAR in the Sweden/S Korea game today (great pen too).
What was interesting was how the ref blew to stop play whilst the Koreans were in on goal. The rule is that if play is ongoing it should only stop if the ball goes out of play, the keeper is in possession of it, or if play is bobbling about in the middle of the field.
If a team scores, as could have happened, then that goal stands if the VAR decision is not to return to the VAR incident.
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I think he was probably told it was a definite penalty. Him looking on the monitor was just protocol.
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If he was told it was a definite penalty and he agreed with that, he'd not be looking at the monitor. Either way, the rule is that the play has to be in a neutral position.
https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final (https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final)
The guidelines for neutral zone/ are similar to those when there is an
injured player on the ground in the penalty area i.e. play can be stopped when
neither team has a clear attacking opportunity.
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If he was told it was a definite penalty and he agreed with that, he'd not be looking at the monitor. Either way, the rule is that the play has to be in a neutral position.
https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final (https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final)
The guidelines for neutral zone/ are similar to those when there is an
injured player on the ground in the penalty area i.e. play can be stopped when
neither team has a clear attacking opportunity.
Interesting curve ball, if South Korea went up the other end and had a Penalty claim reviewed by VAR and it was deemed to be a penalty, would the Sweden penalty also be reviewed and would they get to take a penalty first? It could get very convoluted if too many things are factored in
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Yep, the original VAR incident comes first. Then if rejected, the second incident is assessed. Simple ;)
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Great VAR decision just now for Oz against Denmark. Very slight handball, unintentional and would never have been given in real time.
Fairly brief disruption in play, ref waited for a neutral spell in play before going to the vid to look.
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Great VAR decision just now for Oz against Denmark. Very slight handball, unintentional and would never have been given in real time.
Fairly brief disruption in play, ref waited for a neutral spell in play before going to the vid to look.
If it was unintentional, surely it shouldn't have been given?
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Never an Oz penalty in a month of Sundays! I played centre-half for enough years to know you can't jump effectively with your arms down by your side.
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Yep, there are some greyish areas in that. Unintentional isn't essential, esp when it's heading towards the goal. As for the arm being in an "unnatural position", I think it was, just, a little high and "wavey".
Shouldn't have been a booking though.
Good to see VAR hasn't stopped arguing about decisions :laugh:
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........and then you can consider the ones that England didn’t get.
Just as much controversy as without VAR.
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I think the handball directive has been redefined and the players have been told if you arms are out, even naturally, it will be a penalty.
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On looking at the FIFA (1/6/18) rules https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/laws-of-the-game-2018-19.pdf?cloudid=khhloe2xoigyna8juxw3 (https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/laws-of-the-game-2018-19.pdf?cloudid=khhloe2xoigyna8juxw3):
Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
It seems I was wrong and it's clear that it shouldn't have been a pen as it wasn't deliberate or hand to ball and the distance was too close, AND interestingly that the position of the hand doesn't necessarily mean there is an offence. Booking him is a little strange as if it was purely unintentional then it shouldn't have even been a pen, and if it was intentional then he should have been sent off.
Maybe there is something in this rules doc that's missing?
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It was a penalty. The shot was going in.
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No penalty for me
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It was a penalty. The shot was going in.
Yep, I thought that it was going in was significant, but nothing in the rules re that as far as I can see.
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It was a penalty. The shot was going in.
Totally agree. The interpretation is usually held that such an incident is a penalty.
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Dare a ref over rule VAR in a potential penalty incident and stick to his guns by not awarding it in the 1st place if he didn’t think it was intentional?