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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DevilMayCry on June 18, 2018, 06:55:20 pm
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Tunisia (4-3-3): 22 Hassen - 4 Meriah, 2. S. Ben Youssef, 11 Bronn, 12 Maaloul - 17 Skhiri, 9 Badri, 13 Sassi - 8 F. Ben Youssef, 10 Khazri, 23 Sliti
England (3-5-2): 1 Pickford - 2 Walker, 5 Stones, 6 Maguire - 12 Trippier, 20 Dele Alli, 8 Henderson, 7 Lingard, 18 Young - 10 Sterling, 9 Kane
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Wow, 2 big missed chances by England in the first 5 minutes :blink:
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1-0 for England, goal scorred by Kane
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Looking OK so far
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Great start by England, fantastic header by Stones and Kane doesn’t miss those.
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It’s coming home.
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Good performance so far. "Only" Tunisia but this tournament has shown so far that even smaller nations can cause problems for perceived bigger ones.
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Winning is what matters.
It would be great to play really well and win of course but any win is good enough.
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b*llocks.
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A bit like that t**t Chris Morgan on Hayter except that we didn’t get the pen.
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No complaints.
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1-1 😂
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Definitely penalty against Kane but strangely not given, had plenty enough chances to have won this game twice now.
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Harry Kane blatantly thrown to the ground in the penalty area. What is the point of VAR?
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I just don't get it....
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Was just going to write the same DVR.
Cast iron foul on Kane.
We need to put one of these chances away.
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Lingard :blink:
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Ironic that Tunisia got back into the game through a penalty when they seem to be fouling more!
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Ref bought the dramatics from the Tunisia player, never a pen, we see them week in week out not given. Macquire is shitting himself, bring him off and put Cahill on
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Rugby tackle on Kane, nothing. Walker not even looking at the man, does something daft - I do think both were penalties by the way - and ref blows without a second thought. Where's the consistency?
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Carrying passengers, Ali , Sterling not effective .
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England just aren't clinical.
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Carrying passengers, Ali , Sterling not effective .
Sterling has been very good. Great first half. Should be three up.
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Kane again manhandled to the ground.
You can see it coming, Tunisia to get another pen for an England player doing what they are doing to us.
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The VAR studio are watching emmerdale
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I really don't see what Ali and Sterling offer us.
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Alli should of come off when he was injured first half.
Glimpses of Euro 2016 performances. Keeping the ball and not doing enough with it.
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Alli should of come off when he was injured first half.
Glimpses of Euro 2016 performances. Keeping the ball and not doing enough with it.
We had the highest first half expected goals of any team that’s played so far. That shows we’ve done plants but been a bit wasteful.
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Tunisia look comfortable to me.
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This is shite
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Carrying passengers, Ali , Sterling not effective .
Sterling has been very good. Great first half. Should be three up.
[/quote really.. non existent for me..
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Henderson has made some excellent runs back towards his own goal.
Young fouls the opposition player every time he loses the ball. Which is every time he has the ball.
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Same old England I'm afraid.
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Goal Kane in 91th minute :boxing:
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Carrying passengers, Ali , Sterling not effective .
Sterling has been very good. Great first half. Should be three up.
He’s Shite 1 goal in 30
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Sterling has either lost the ball or fallen over.
Loftus-Cheek was decent.
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Who says the Russian's don't have a sense of humour! Football's coming home playing in the stadium :laugh:
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Same old England I'm afraid.
Not really, we found a way to win.
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All you can say about that is job done, we were also blessed with the worst referee and worst VAR team of the World Cup so far
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McGuire had a solid second half.
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Alli and Sterling were rubbish. Their places must be under threat for the next game.
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McGuire had a solid second half.
He did, but first half was shocking
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All you can say about that is job done, we were also blessed with the worst referee and worst VAR team of the World Cup so far
Yes on both points.
Brazil and a Germany didn’t get the job done.
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Alli and Sterling were rubbish. Their places must be under threat for the next game.
The attack barring Kane is not the requisite class, let's be honest. Let's see how far he can take us.
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Plenty of the usual negativity about England on here but that should have been four or five one.
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Well deserved win. Save for one moment of switching off to concede a penalty we were much the better side. Should have had two penalties and the subs made an impact (could’ve happened earlier). Wasteful in front of goal. 3-0 at HT on another day and no teeth grinding.
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Henderson has made some excellent runs back towards his own goal.
Young fouls the opposition player every time he loses the ball. Which is every time he has the ball.
Henderson also made lots of good forward runs and passes.
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Alli and Sterling were rubbish. Their places must be under threat for the next game.
thought Alli should have been pulled on the early injury. Really good impact from the subs though, both very direct and fearless players. Hopefully RLC finds a role at Chelsea next year.
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McGuire had a solid second half.
He did, but first half was shocking
good interview from him on that though. As a young ball playing centre half he’ll make those errors til his decision making becomes top drawer. Massive future ahead of him and a much more cultured CB than his physique suggests.
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McGuire had a solid second half.
He did, but first half was shocking
good interview from him on that though. As a young ball playing centre half he’ll make those errors til his decision making becomes top drawer. Massive future ahead of him and a much more cultured CB than his physique suggests.
Yes, and as Linekar pointed out, an honest assessment of his own performance.
I don’t think Cahill could have contributed as much to England’s game plan in the second half and in reality, Tunisia didn’t threaten us in the second half.
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I thought we were good the longer a team like tunisia stay in the game it just gets harder and harder, if we got what we deserved in the 1st half it would have been so easy
For me Rashford starts over Sterling and Rose over Young, i'd swap Alli with RLC if Alli is still feeling the knock which clearly affected him after the 1st 20min
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Same old rubbish for me
Can’t kick a ball in front of goal
Professionals?
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Bah humbug
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Most important game to win in the group. Not an easy game like a lot of people thought. Onto Panama, should be a winnable game and than rest a few players ready for the 2nd round.
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Go to think we how barely winning the 1st group game must effect us. Imagine been in a hotel for a week festering on a poor performance while you get slated by everyone, no wonder it always seems to end up getting so desperate
Hopefully this gives us confidence to go and attack thats all we want from them really
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I thought we were good the longer a team like tunisia stay in the game it just gets harder and harder, if we got what we deserved in the 1st half it would have been so easy
For me Rashford starts over Sterling and Rose over Young, i'd swap Alli with RLC if Alli is still feeling the knock which clearly affected him after the 1st 20min
Bang on the money with those changes
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Poor from Southgate he should have taken Ali and Sterling off at halftime, very poor ref fell for Tunisian histrionics every time but part of me can’t feel that everyone hates us enough to make it ok. We need a Millwall mentality. A deserved if laboured win.
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Rose tinkered spectacles spring to mind
I wish them luck but what happens when Kane gets injured
Hopefully not
He could yet be the hero. :thumbdown:
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Rose tinkered spectacles spring to mind
I wish them luck but what happens when Kane gets injured
Hopefully not
He could yet be the hero. :thumbdown:
What happens to Portugal if Ronaldo gets injured?
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Happy enough with that. It's all about the result especially in the first game.
Didn't expect England to be the finished article today although it was a shame they couldn't keep their lightning start going for a little bit longer.
Hopefully this will create some confidence and optimism and they can put on a more complete performance in the next couple of games.
For me, Sterling really faded and struggled to offer much after the opening 20 mins. Is it that he's tasked with being a creative spark moreso than he is at Man City where he largely feeds off the service from others? On that showing, Rashford and Loftus-Cheek have to come into consideration as they both looked more like making something happen.
Stones and Maguire were fine but Walker is the other big question mark. Not sure he's defensively good enough for that position although his pace does come in handy.
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Rose tinkered spectacles spring to mind
I wish them luck but what happens when Kane gets injured
Hopefully not
He could yet be the hero. :thumbdown:
Honestly in all the time you've been on here I don't remember any one of your posts being anything but a massive over the top whinge.
"What if we have this baby and some day it dies?"
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Could turn out to be a really good game to get under our belt. The team and the manager will have learned a lot from that.
I've always maintained you should play the best possible team in every game (unless you're already through)
Sterling for me isn't as effective as Rashford. Other than that, if we can polish some of our rough edges and not be as wasteful, we can be a force to be reckoned with.
Game on!
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Rose tinkered spectacles spring to mind
*clears a space in next fanzine for 'Forum Phrase of the Month' feature*
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Alli and Sterling were rubbish. Their places must be under threat for the next game.
Rashford has the shirt now for me.. sterling can only score tap ins from 2 yds out...
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First half hour was the best performance of this World Cup. Should have been 5 up
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Yep, and if VAR had have been in use four our game, it would have been comfortable.
Some serious questions need to be asked about why VAR did not intervene and why the on pitch officials didn't spot the fouls.
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Some nervy performances but with that win and the oh so easy win against Panama next up, we'll be flying.
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The commentators mentioned the heat which i know is a poor excuse but it does make it hard to keep up that kind of intensity and fair play tunisia they wouldn't let the game flow after that because they knew they'd get blown away.
The bugs over there were unreal too not easy to concentrate with all that for both sets of players and as for the fans there that must of been annoying to say the least
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I can understand why Sterling had a problem with the flies, he's shit
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Sterling should be charged entrance fee. Never an England player and Rashford did more in 5 mins than what Sterling offered in 70. Absolute garbage.
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I can understand why Sterling had a problem with the flies, he's shit
lol
I didn't think he played too bad, good performance overall but the game should have been over by 20 mins
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Decent performance. Hard to tell how limited Tunisia were but that’s the sort of opponent that England have struggled to break down for a decade so a win is a fair outcome.
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Biggest cheer in pub when Sterland went off, will probably wash car or cut grass on Sunday.
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Biggest cheer in pub when Sterland went off, will probably wash car or cut grass on Sunday.
f**king hell is Mel still playing, he must be in his 70's now 😀
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Just like Rovers only the centre forward can score all the other attacking players fluff their lines.
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Lingard should be the one to go, very poor in front of goal tonight, and does not pick the ball up in midfield and run past defenders like Sterling. Rashford for Lingard, and Rose for Young if McGuire plays we have two right footed players on the left.
Rose would give us balance, deliver the ball Quicker and would not have to turn back to make room for a cross.
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Selby, are you having a laugh? Sterling was absolutely, head and shoulders the worst player on the pitch tonight. The only surprise is he survived until 69 mins.
Lingard, on the other hand was our biggest threat out of him and Ali.
If Rashford hasn't now confirmed his position as our 2nd striker, then he never will. I'd have Wellbeck and Vardy over Sterling every time.
There is one thing you can say about Sterling, playing for England, he is consistent - consistently crap!
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Selby is Sterling your Mandeville. He was and has been poor for an attacking midfielder/ striker in all his England games.
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Sterling has great pace but, he's too careless with the ball at times and is more likely to fluff chances than Lingard. OK Lingard had an off night in front of goal but I trust him more than Sterling in those situations. Rashford is way ahead of Sterling to provide that twin threat up front. Having said that, Kane, Lingard, Alli, Rashford can all interchange right across the pitch.
Just heard from Clattenberg about the VAR, saying they don't have the time to review. If Kane had have made more of a meal of the situations, it would buy more time for VAR. You get bet your bottom dollar, the other cynical teams would.
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Delighted with the win, Southgate is right when he says good teams find a way to win late, how often do we say on here that successful sides find a way even when they don't play well?
We did play well tonight mind, got a bit laboured in the second half but the subs renewed us and we found the winner. Tunisia were very organised but poor on the ball and at set pieces. Kane is fouled blatantly twice yet no flinch from the many officials, daft.
Sterling was not terrible tonight but a player of his position and now his standing within the game needs to contribute more. I'm a big fan of Rashford and if Sterling can't find his shooting boots against Panama I'd be dropping him. Maguire started nervously too but he came on stronger after the break, was good going forward and contributed to the winning goal. An honest assessment of himself afterwards too.
Lingard was unlucky not to score twice, their goalie makes a wonderful save from him early and I felt sorry for him getting injured. Henderson did well too, he was our best player for me apart from Trippier as he always played the right ball either forward or back and is the only one in our team who can spray passes around with precision.
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I can understand why Sterling had a problem with the flies, he's shit
Quote of the week Filo interesting debate going on about the effectiveness of Lingard too . Personally there were times when he could have maybe done better but nevertheless a satisfying performance from him
Imo Rashford is a must , he terrifies defences.
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For me, Lingard was as good, or bad, as Sterling.
That early chance that the keeper saved with his legs was scuffed by Lingard and the far post just that he hopelessly miskicked was a shocking effort by a player of his quality.
The Sterling haters are conveniently not mentioning that.
Martin Keown consistently praised Sterling’s contributions in the first half, but then again I suppose he knows a lot less than forum posters.
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Don’t think you can drop lingard, he runs past Kane from midfield which is a main reason of why we started so well.
Tunisia are a far better side than panama, I’d be tempted to play rashford and Stirling against them. Give Ali a rest
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Lingard was desperately unlucky not to score. The one that flicked of the keeper and the one that hit the post. People have got to remember that this is a very young side with little or no experience of the world stage. Hopefully the win will be a confidence booster and they will put 4 or 5 past Panama. If they perform to a similar level to last night they will.
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Don’t think you can drop lingard, he runs past Kane from midfield which is a main reason of why we started so well.
Tunisia are a far better side than panama, I’d be tempted to play rashford and Stirling against them. Give Ali a rest
Alli is lame. RLC will come in for him I think.
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Decent performance. Hard to tell how limited Tunisia were but that’s the sort of opponent that England have struggled to break down for a decade so a win is a fair outcome.
This. Yes we missed chances, but at least we were creating them instead of the usual sterile impotence we get when we come up against teams determined to defend in numbers.
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Can understand Sterling getting a chance after his season for City but I don't think the suits a role behind the lone striker where it gets too congested. Should we go for more attacking width he'll be a valuable asset. Rashford must get a chance now surely.
RLC for Alli another good shout.
Also impressed that we didn't just throw an extra striker on aimlessly on 85 minutes.
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Tunisia are a dirty team so beating them is even sweeter. We can do well in this tournament as we can beat all teams in group G and H. After that it will be much tougher. Seeing Germany and Braziil slip a little has to be good news. Let's hope the team don't lose confidence going forward.
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Amazed that anyone is moaning about England. We deservedly won a game that should have been out of sight. Tunisia only had one shot on goal courtesy of the softest penalty you’ll ever see. We created countless chances - more than I remember seeing us create at any tournament game. Supposedly people had no expectations going into the tournament, yet still there’s all this complaining that we only won 2-1. Unbelievable.
Just enjoy the tournament or turn over and watch love island.
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England should have been out of sight with that performance but as far too often happens the officials made sure the outcome would be a bit of a lottery.
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I thought the referee was as poor as anything we saw in League One last season. He should be on the next flight home.
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Amazed that anyone is moaning about England. We deservedly won a game that should have been out of sight. Tunisia only had one shot on goal courtesy of the softest penalty you’ll ever see. We created countless chances - more than I remember seeing us create at any tournament game. Supposedly people had no expectations going into the tournament, yet still there’s all this complaining that we only won 2-1. Unbelievable.
Just enjoy the tournament or turn over and watch love island.
Can't we do both?
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Alan and Steve, Lingard reminded me of Alfie May in front of goal, not very good.
What do you think of Welbeck playing instead of him, he averages about a goal every two games for England, a terrific scoring rate, but I suppose you don't like him either.
Tunisia did not even try to win that game, were helped by poor finishing, and the poorest referee up to press in the competition.
They were the most negative side in the competition, and we will now see if they are any good, and deserve their rating in the top twenty when they play Belgium and have to change their game.
It was a good result as Panama have to attack and be more open in play which should give us opportunities up front, and any of Vardy,Rashford, and Welbeck could come into it.
As the competition evolves, and if we progress, the makeup of the team will change, playing brilliant football is not the requirement, winning games is.
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England just aren't clinical.
Henderson has made some excellent runs back towards his own goal.
Young fouls the opposition player every time he loses the ball. Which is every time he has the ball.
Alli and Sterling were rubbish. Their places must be under threat for the next game.
The attack barring Kane is not the requisite class, let's be honest. Let's see how far he can take us.
Copps is Magic, this thread's equivalent of a bucket of cold water.
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I thought the referee was as poor as anything we saw in League One last season. He should be on the next flight home.
The VAR team should be on the plane with him, multiple screens, multiple angles and they fail to tell the ref the Tunisia player conned him, and miss two rugby tackles that the All Blacks would have been proud of
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Alan and Steve, Lingard reminded me of Alfie May in front of goal, not very good.
What do you think of Welbeck playing instead of him, he averages about a goal every two games for England, a terrific scoring rate, but I suppose you don't like him either.
Tunisia did not even try to win that game, were helped by poor finishing, and the poorest referee up to press in the competition.
They were the most negative side in the competition, and we will now see if they are any good, and deserve their rating in the top twenty when they play Belgium and have to change their game.
It was a good result as Panama have to attack and be more open in play which should give us opportunities up front, and any of Vardy,Rashford, and Welbeck could come into it.
As the competition evolves, and if we progress, the makeup of the team will change, playing brilliant football is not the requirement, winning games is.
Tunisia aren't in the top 20 are they? I'm sure they're 21st. But definitely the most negative side I've seen so far. Even Panama had a go.
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Amazed that anyone is moaning about England. We deservedly won a game that should have been out of sight. Tunisia only had one shot on goal courtesy of the softest penalty you’ll ever see. We created countless chances - more than I remember seeing us create at any tournament game. Supposedly people had no expectations going into the tournament, yet still there’s all this complaining that we only won 2-1. Unbelievable.
Just enjoy the tournament or turn over and watch love island.
Sense at last. If the first half performance was in the second half and vice versa people would be lauding the performance. Completely dominated the game against a side that aren’t bad at all.
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Rj, if they were they aren't now.
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Agreed with Gaz and Jonathan. I think people just love to complain and England-bash.
Don't think you can ask for much more. They've got a young manager (yes, unproven, but would we rather have a merry-go-round Hodgson/Allardyce-esque manager in charge?), Southgate has picked the right players largely based on form and hasn't been afraid to make big decisions, they've played at times last night some of the most exciting football you'll have seen from an England side at a tournament in decades, they've got a spirit that looks better than it has in years, AND they've got one of the most potent strikers at the tournament who can win games for us.
Oh and they got 3 points!
It wasn't the complete performance but it showed very good glimpses, and but for a moment of madness from Walker probably would've ended in a 2-0 or 3-0 victory. From a young side that has never played together the result should hopefully instil some confidence and drive the team on.
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I thought we played well - out of the blocks superbly in the first 20 minutes, bit of a stutter and a bit flat second half but we kept plugging away and got what we deserved. Certainly plenty to be optimistic about. Trippier looked fantastic at RWB and was MOTM for me, wouldn't surprise me to see Alli out for RLC in the next game if he's not quite fit but I'd expect Sterling to start. I'd have Rashford in in a heartbeat but I get the impression Southgate likes him as an impact sub.
On thing that concerns me is the defence and how casual they are. It's like watching a back 3 of Dave Morleys at times, and against a better team we could have come a cropper with some of the balls given away at the back last night. I like the fact they want to play it out from the back but their decision making leaves a bit to be desired.
Oh and you can tell that Kyle Walker was schooled at Sheff Utd. That forearm smash had Chris Morgan written all over it.
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Alan and Steve, Lingard reminded me of Alfie May in front of goal, not very good.
What do you think of Welbeck playing instead of him, he averages about a goal every two games for England, a terrific scoring rate, but I suppose you don't like him either.
Tunisia did not even try to win that game, were helped by poor finishing, and the poorest referee up to press in the competition.
They were the most negative side in the competition, and we will now see if they are any good, and deserve their rating in the top twenty when they play Belgium and have to change their game.
It was a good result as Panama have to attack and be more open in play which should give us opportunities up front, and any of Vardy,Rashford, and Welbeck could come into it.
As the competition evolves, and if we progress, the makeup of the team will change, playing brilliant football is not the requirement, winning games is.
Crikey Selby, season hasn’t even started and you’ve got your 1st dig about Alfie😲
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Don't understand the negativity about that performance. Granted our standards have been set at basement level as far as England tournaments go, but when was the last time England played with that style, had ideas, or created chances? Tunisia are a very well-organised but very cynical side who set up to be difficult to break down. I wouldn't be surprised to see Belgium struggle for spells in the same way that we did.
Trippier looked outstanding. Every delivery was a threat. That was one of the best team performances of the tournament so far in my book. Spain looked more impressive and Mexico looked good, but I'm struggling to think of another team that looked better than we did last night. Not that I'm saying we'll win the thing, but there are reasons to be cheerful at least.
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One thing I will add is that you have to go back to 1990 to find an England team that could win a game in the last minutes, room for improvement, yes but it’s game 1. I’m happy with the win!
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So we didn't play well for 90 minutes but how many teams do? With a decent referee and half competent VAR officials it would have been a totally different game.
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Lingard can’t be dropped for wellbeck,
His runs from midfield past Kane are massively important to the way we want to play.
He was good last night just didn’t finish the chances his movement created
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Just like Rovers only the centre forward can score all the other attacking players fluff their lines.
Funny you should say that. I thought a lot of that game was like watching Rovers....
Missing clear cut chances, passing to the opposition, free kicks in attacking positions then three passes and it's back with our keeper, clear cut penalty decisions going against us; oh, and shit refs.
Great result though.
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Just like Rovers only the centre forward can score all the other attacking players fluff their lines.
Funny you should say that. I thought a lot of that game was like watching Rovers....
Missing clear cut chances, passing to the opposition, free kicks in attacking positions then three passes and it's back with our keeper, clear cut penalty decisions going against us; oh, and shit refs.
Great result though.
What about the quick, incisive attacks we saw last night? Polar opposite to Rovers' approach play for most of last season!
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It was as good as we’ve played in a major tournament for a long time.
Don’t understand the negativity that’s knocking about at all
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I thought Lingard did ok can't just drop a player because they miss a chance! Marquis would never get a game for us that way
He does a lot of work off the ball and its easy not to see on TV how much space that makes for others
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Danny Rose HAS to replace Young who us shocking. Sterling needs to be used as an impact player off the bench, how he and dele ali stayed on so long is a mystery to me. Why are england managers always slow to sub players who are playing shit?
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I agree on Rose we lost a lot going forward with Young having to come inside on his right foot. Rose gives more balance.
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Sterling needs to be used as a ball boy!
Selby - I wonder if you actually understand the concept of who plays where! Check out the BBC supporters ratings for all the players last (a record number of people gave their ratings, apparently) and Sterling came bottom, just managing to score 4. A fair reflection. Still, no doubt you are still sticking to your view over 2 million other supporters! The point I am making is most people seem to concur with my thoughts on who was our worst player last night.
And, as for your Alfie May comment - well, I'm not going to lower myself to reply.
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Actually Alan, both points were the views of three professional footballers I listened to on Talksport while walking the dog after the game last night.
A bit naughty of me I know, but I wondered which touch line international ( I had an idea though) would take the bait. I think I will go along with the two Chelsea players and the West Ham players knowing just a little bit more about the game than yourself mate and your two million mates.
If you want to take it up with them phone in after 10pm tonight, they might give you a couple of minutes.
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I can just imagine the Belgian managers team talk before they play us.
Our scout Alan Southstand says England have a poor player in midfield called Sterling, when De Bruine says " hey just hold it there" who's he?
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Actually Alan, both points were the views of three professional footballers I listened to on Talksport while walking the dog after the game last night.
A bit naughty of me I know, but I wondered which touch line international ( I had an idea though) would take the bait. I think I will go along with the two Chelsea players and the West Ham players knowing just a little bit more about the game than yourself mate and your two million mates.
If you want to take it up with them phone in after 10pm tonight, they might give you a couple of minutes.
Which points?
If anybody suggested wellbeck should replace lingard then I don’t care who they are, they’re talking shite
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They'll also be saying " hey, keep an eye out for Lingard, that Selby bloke says he reminds him of Alfie May".
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Dickos, don't jump in, in my original post I said they suggested that Rashford should be in for Lingard. and rose for young.
And that shite you are talking about has scored 17 goals at very nearly one every two games at international level.
I would suggest you don't give your day job up and go scouting for players.
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Dickos, don't jump in, in my original post I said they suggested that Rashford should be in for Lingard. and rose for young.
And that shite you are talking about has scored 17 goals at very nearly one every two games at international level.
I would suggest you don't give your day job up and go scouting for players.
Selby, don't be silly, he's not calling Welbeck shite, he's saying that putting him in for Lingard would be a shite decision. And he's right. The way England are set up at the moment Lingard is a key player with his movement and runs. Welbeck is a trier but he's not as good a footballer and best suited to playing on the wing, which isn't needed in the team right now. He's a good player, has a role to play this world cup and has a great record at international level, particularly given his mediocre record at club level, but it would be daft to bring him in for Lingard.
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Thanks nick,
That was exactly my point, lingard is an attacking midfielder that interchanges and gets about the pitch, wellbeck is a striker and a completely different player to lingard. He’s probably in the squad in case Kane gets injured he wouldn’t be replacing lingard.
He may have a record of one in two, but how long do you want to go back? Crouch has a great international record maybe he should be playing
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I think you are mistaken about me saying Wellbeck should be playing.
I agree with the professionals that Rashford for Lingard, and Rose for Young, which was in my first post.
I asked a question about Wellbeck, and pointed out that he has one of the best scoring records, and he is noted for putting a shift in, drops back into midfield and helps out, a far better player than given credit for.
The big change may come if Ali is injured for the next game.
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Amazed that anyone is moaning about England. We deservedly won a game that should have been out of sight. Tunisia only had one shot on goal courtesy of the softest penalty you’ll ever see. We created countless chances - more than I remember seeing us create at any tournament game. Supposedly people had no expectations going into the tournament, yet still there’s all this complaining that we only won 2-1. Unbelievable.
Just enjoy the tournament or turn over and watch love island.
Sense at last. If the first half performance was in the second half and vice versa people would be lauding the performance. Completely dominated the game against a side that aren’t bad at all.
My view is this. England last night did exactly what you want a team who can challenge at a tournament to do.
Potential tricky opening game and started very well. Got in front. Bizarre penalty for them to score as they were never going to be anywhere near scoring any other way. Then kept going in a tough second half and won it.
It’s easy to slate England for that second half using the “slow and boring” excuse but if that was Germany or France last night everyone would be saying “But they get it done and know how to win.”
Germany, Argentina and Brazil have all fallen short. Only France, England and Belgium really have set a marker down so far from the so called ‘top teams’.
In 2016 we went in front vs Iceland, threw it away and we’re void of ideas and gave up with 10 mins to go really and accepted that we’re werent going to score. Last night, yes the intensity dropped, but they kept going and got the win.
The only thing I could criticise really was not playing Rose for a left footer on the left and not making changes a litter earlier to freshen it up. The performance was fine and a good opener
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Amazed that anyone is moaning about England. We deservedly won a game that should have been out of sight. Tunisia only had one shot on goal courtesy of the softest penalty you’ll ever see. We created countless chances - more than I remember seeing us create at any tournament game. Supposedly people had no expectations going into the tournament, yet still there’s all this complaining that we only won 2-1. Unbelievable.
Just enjoy the tournament or turn over and watch love island.
Sense at last. If the first half performance was in the second half and vice versa people would be lauding the performance. Completely dominated the game against a side that aren’t bad at all.
My view is this. England last night did exactly what you want a team who can challenge at a tournament to do.
Potential tricky opening game and started very well. Got in front. Bizarre penalty for them to score as they were never going to be anywhere near scoring any other way. Then kept going in a tough second half and won it.
It’s easy to slate England for that second half using the “slow and boring” excuse but if that was Germany or France last night everyone would be saying “But they get it done and know how to win.”
Germany, Argentina and Brazil have all fallen short. Only France, England and Belgium really have set a marker down so far from the so called ‘top teams’.
In 2016 we went in front vs Iceland, threw it away and we’re void of ideas and gave up with 10 mins to go really and accepted that we’re werent going to score. Last night, yes the intensity dropped, but they kept going and got the win.
The only thing I could criticise really was not playing Rose for a left footer on the left and not making changes a litter earlier to freshen it up. The performance was fine and a good opener
That's a good summary. I think he saw Young as a safe pair of hands given his experience and with Rose perhaps not fully up to speed. He may bring Rose in for the next game and maybe Rashford from the start, but I wouldn't want him to tinker too much. and say bring in Dier for Henderson. Play as near to your best team as you can every game to get that continuity and confidence going.
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Panama won’t be anywhere near as tough to beat as Tunisia were so whoever comes in may well shine more than the player they replace.
Hopefully we can put in another good performance as we did in the first game but the primary objective is a win however we get it.
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Panama won’t be anywhere near as tough to beat as Tunisia were so whoever comes in may well shine more than the player they replace.
Hopefully we can put in another good performance as we did in the first game but the primary objective is a win however we get it.
Exactly. England look like they’re learning how to win. As I said above, for those moaning, if that had been Germany last night we’d have been jealous commenting how they just know how to win things and get the job done no matter what.
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I think you are mistaken about me saying Wellbeck should be playing.
I agree with the professionals that Rashford for Lingard, and Rose for Young, which was in my first post.
I asked a question about Wellbeck, and pointed out that he has one of the best scoring records, and he is noted for putting a shift in, drops back into midfield and helps out, a far better player than given credit for.
The big change may come if Ali is injured for the next game.
I did ask you which two points you meant but you didn’t answer and just started telling me how good wellbeck is.
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I think you are mistaken about me saying Wellbeck should be playing.
I agree with the professionals that Rashford for Lingard, and Rose for Young, which was in my first post.
I asked a question about Wellbeck, and pointed out that he has one of the best scoring records, and he is noted for putting a shift in, drops back into midfield and helps out, a far better player than given credit for.
The big change may come if Ali is injured for the next game.
Rashford for Lingered doesn't work either he's a striker, Lingard is playing midfield, that'd see us play 5:2:3! can put as many strikers as you want on the pitch but someone has to feed them and make space thats what Lingered does and criticism of him is way over the top
Missing a couple of chances is no reason to drop someone, playing and never looking like getting a chance to score is another thing
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The changes I would like to see in the next game are: Rose for Young, Jones for Walker, Loftus Cheek for Ali and Rashford for Sterling
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Jones for walker? f**king hope not
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Is that David Jones we’re talking about? Cos he’d do a better job than Phil.
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I think Alli maybe injured so, will he go for RLC. Probably. Rose for Young, hope so. Rashford for Sterling? Hope so.
I wouldn't make any further changes unless we go at least 2 up etc. Don't mess about until its certain we've qualified. Hopefully we can choose whether we want to relax v Belgium.
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Is that David Jones we’re talking about? Cos he’d do a better job than Phil.
Even Spike Jones would do better than Phil; then again, you're maybe not old enough to remember him, Billy.
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Yeah pure rubbish that Jones I mean he only made the World Cup squad didn’t he!
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I don’t think there’s any need to make sweeping changes. Maybe Rose in for Young to get some natural left sided balance. Other than that I’d keep it the same. If Alli is injured then bring in Loftus Cheek. Otherwise go with continuity. It was an encouraging all round display.
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OK, just for fun and to help Selby with his selection of the England team for the next game:
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer
"Jesse Lingard is usually assured in front of goal and can still be relied on, but there is no escaping the brutal truth that Raheem Sterling's England goal record is wretched and must improve soon.
As Kane's record of 15 goals in 25 games can be rightly lauded, Sterling has scored only twice in 39 internationals and has not scored in his past 21."
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-v-tunisia-ratings-world-cup-2018-kane-kyle-walker-sterling/
Jesse Lingard: Played his role perfectly as he constantly posed a threat to the Tunisia defence but was guilty of wasting three of England’s best chances and must be more clinical against higher quality opposition. 6/10
Raheem Sterling: On the peripheries throughout and lacking the confidence to take on defenders – could have no complaints at being the first man to be withdrawn. 5/10
Marcus Rashford: Direct and found good spaces on the flanks after his introduction – definitely will be considered for a starting spot against Panama. 7/10
Talk Sport:
The England shirt just doesn’t fit Sterling at the minute. He’s clearly gifted, an incredible season with Manchester City showed that beyond doubt, but he has failed to score for the Three Lions since 2015. Tonight was another night where he played within himself and failed to find that finishing touch. (5)
If Lingard finished like he did for Manchester United all season, England would’ve won comfortably. Four chances he wasted. At this level, you just can’t do that and the Three Lions were nearly punished. He was busy in England’s build-up and enjoyed plenty of clever touches, but that was overshadowed by his finishing. (5)
Joey Barton (Talk Sport)
Joey Barton has tipped Ruben Loftus-Cheek to play a big role for the rest of England’s World Cup campaign after an impressive cameo in Monday’s 2-1 win over Tunisia.
Loftus-Cheek may have only played for ten minutes in the last-gasp win in Volgograd, but he made a big impression with his energy and a number of tidy touches.
Replacing the flagging Dele Alli on 80 minutes, the 22-year-old Crystal Palace midfielder seemed to wake the rest of his team-mates up with his bustling attitude, which eventually produced a stoppage-time winner as Harry Kane’s brace got England off to a crucial winning start in Russia.
May I suggest that here is your replacement for Lingard, but only if Alli is fully fit.
England Squad
1. Jordan Pickford 2. Kyle Walker 3. Danny Rose 4. Eric Dier 5. John Stones 6. Harry Maguire 7. Jesse Lingard 8. Jordan Henderson 9. Harry Kane 10. Raheem Sterling 11. Jamie Vardy Read more: How will England line-up against Tunisia? 12. Kieran Trippier 13. Jack Butland 14. Danny Welbeck 15. Gary Cahill 16. Phil Jones 17. Fabian Delph 18. Ashley Young 19. Marcus Rashford 20. Dele Alli 21. Ruben Loftus-Cheek 22. Trent Alexander-Arnold 23. Nick Pope
Keepers
Pickford
Butland
Pope
Defenders
Walker
Rose
Young
Stones
Trippier
Maguire
Cahill
Jones
Alexander-Arnold
Midfield
Dire
Henderson
Alli
Delph
Loftus-Cheek
Lingard
Forwards
Kane
Welbeck
Vardy
Rashford
Southgate's Preferred System: 3-5-2
V Tunisia we started:
1. Jordan Pickford 2. Kyle Walker 5. John Stones 6. Harry Maguire 7. Jesse Lingard 8. Jordan Henderson 9. Harry Kane 10. Raheem Sterling 12. Kieran Trippier 18. Ashley Young 20. Dele Alli
Rashford for Sterling
Loftus-Cheek for Alli
Dier for Lingard
Selby:
To Alan and Steve,
Lingard reminded me of Alfie May in front of goal, not very good.
So, you are comparing a Man Utd first teamer and International player with a lad who has not long since been promoted about 7 tiers up the football pyramid! Insane.
What do you think of Welbeck playing instead of him, he averages about a goal every two games for England, a terrific scoring rate, but I suppose you don't like him either.
I think it's an idiotic suggestion ( see squad details below - Welbeck is a striker and Lingard is an attacking midfielder. I do like Welbeck, but not as an attacking midfield player). If that is one of the points that your talk sport mates were suggesting, then may I suggest you listen to something else.
Tunisia did not even try to win that game, were helped by poor finishing, and the poorest referee up to press in the competition.
They were the most negative side in the competition, and we will now see if they are any good, and deserve their rating in the top twenty when they play Belgium and have to change their game.
Who mentioned anything negative about England. My belief is we are a decent side......with Rashford in instead of the clownshoes that is Sterling (in an England shirt).
It was a good result as Panama have to attack and be more open in play which should give us opportunities up front, and any of Vardy,Rashford, and Welbeck could come into it.
One statement I can agree with - but only at the expense of Sterling (is he your love-child? Or is he related to Mandeville?)
As the competition evolves, and if we progress, the makeup of the team will change, playing brilliant football is not the requirement, winning games is.
And again:
Actually Alan, both points were the views of three professional footballers I listened to on Talksport while walking the dog after the game last night.
A bit naughty of me I know, but I wondered which touch line international ( I had an idea though) would take the bait. I think I will go along with the two Chelsea players and the West Ham players knowing just a little bit more about the game than yourself mate and your two million mate.
See my comment above on your Chelsea and West Ham friends. As for 2 million 'mates', no mates of mine but at least they're on the same wavelength!
If you want to take it up with them phone in after 10pm tonight, they might give you a couple of minutes.
I'd rather spend the evening platting snot!
And, yet again:
I can just imagine the Belgian managers team talk before they play us.
Our scout Alan Southstand says England have a poor player in midfield called Sterling, when De Bruine says " hey just hold it there" who's he?
There you go again - Sterling played as the 2nd striker, alongside Kane and did not play in midfield. I couldn't possibly have said that, even in your weird imagination, because I understand where the players actually are supposed to be playing.
If this is your attempt at humour, then I suggest you try another avenue - try watching crown green bowling - but only the singles matches as the doubles may get a bit confusing for you!
As for taking the bait - you'll have to put a much bigger worm on the hook! I've spent the best part of 20 odd years in the Mining industry with the best piss takers in the World. Your woeful attempt at something approaching humour is bordering on insanity, obsession or maybe you have early onset of being a Barnsley supporter!
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Yeah pure rubbish that Jones I mean he only made the World Cup squad didn’t he!
He did, but no way should he be replacing walker.
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Dean Saunders has just been on talk sport saying he would play Stones at wing back and Kane, Rashford, Vardy and Sterling in the same team.... tactical genius.
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Good God and I didn't catch anything, Alan Tunisia started the game with a high line,and we looked world beaters, when they dropped back Lingard went out of the game and was no better than Sterling,and not as good out of the area and had missed chances.
Sterling in past games has pulled the ball back from the byline for assists on more than a few goals, and that is why England pick him. The poor effort he made in front of goal in this game would not have counted by the way, Lingard was offside in the build up.
I am not even bothered who plays as long as England win.
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Gaz, a bit of an exaggeration that, He did say he would play 4 4 2 in our next game, and did say that we COULD give other players a game against Panama the players you named.
He also said he did not think we would make many changes, and also said the way he thought was the reason he was sat talking on the Radio.
Alan Brazil is for Rashford coming in for Sterling, but expects Sterling to play if Ali is injured, it's talksport that's what they are paid for.
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Gaz, a bit of an exaggeration that, He did say he would play 4 4 2 in our next game, and did say that we COULD give other players a game against Panama the players you named.
He also said he did not think we would make many changes, and also said the way he thought was the reason he was sat talking on the Radio.
Alan Brazil is for Rashford coming in for Sterling, but expects Sterling to play if Ali is injured, it's talksport that's what they are paid for.
He did said he would play 442 and play the 4 players mentioned.
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Stones has previously played as a full back. What's wrong with that suggestion? I don't agree with it, but it's certainly not as ridiculous a thought as you seem to make it out to be.
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Stones has previously played as a full back. What's wrong with that suggestion? I don't agree with it, but it's certainly not as ridiculous a thought as you seem to make it out to be.
The fact Tripper was brilliant in the first game is a starting point. Full back and wing back are completely different as well. It’s a ridiculous suggestion.
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He surely can’t have said play 4-4-2 and play wingbacks?
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He surely can’t have said play 4-4-2 and play wingbacks?
No he didn’t really, he said he wanted 442. The Stones at WB comment came a bit out of the blue after Stuart Pearce said he’d think about playing Rose at left centre half.
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I certainly don’t think we will need to worry about which defenders we start with, Panama are going to sit back and defend with ten men.
We will need to think about how to break them down.
Not a game for Vardy though as he is better against teams who like to attack us, he needs room behind defenders to run into.
Those comments about wingbacks and 4-4-2 show how misleading some posts can be when trying to put over what a person has said.
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
Wait for it............
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100% agree. :woohoo:
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
Did you see Harry Maguires heat map against Tunisia? He was in front of Henderson a lot of the time. Walker and Maguire get plenty of licence to get forward. I’d keep the same shape solely to give the players more experience playing that way.
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
Did you see Harry Maguires heat map against Tunisia? He was in front of Henderson a lot of the time. Walker and Maguire get plenty of licence to get forward. I’d keep the same shape solely to give the players more experience playing that way.
Exactly.
Playing 3 centre backs is not necessarily a defensive formation. If your 2 wing backs play as de facto wingers and one of your centre halves pushes on, it can be a very offensive formation against weaker opponents.
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
Did you see Harry Maguires heat map against Tunisia? He was in front of Henderson a lot of the time. Walker and Maguire get plenty of licence to get forward. I’d keep the same shape solely to give the players more experience playing that way.
Exactly.
Playing 3 centre backs is not necessarily a defensive formation. If your 2 wing backs play as de facto wingers and one of your centre halves pushes on, it can be a very offensive formation against weaker opponents.
Definitely. Also if organised correctly it’s a harder formation to counter against, which when dominating teams, is the only usual danger.
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Yeah pure rubbish that Jones I mean he only made the World Cup squad didn’t he!
He did, but no way should he be replacing walker.
Given the size of the Panama forward Jones would do a better job than Walker defensively against him. I’m not suggesting dropping Walker for the pen or the rest of the tournament just the next game given the opposition.
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Agreed. With intelligent and talented players, the back three plus one holding midfielder becomes a fluid four with centre backs advancing into midfield knowing that there’s cover. So you have several potential points of attack without necessarily going gung-ho.
That said, I’m not convinced that England’s centre backs are good enough to do that against the very best. Maguire is touted as the best ball-player among England’s centre backs but his radar was well off vs Tunisia. England would have problems against a good side if he advanced past the half way line then gave away possession sloppily as he did 3-4 times on Monday.
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We shouldn't change the team shape and any suggestion of it by talksport is just filling the hours with nonsense speculation.
We've had a consistent build up in terms of shape and players for the 1st time in ages lets not abandon it after a good performance and only our 3rd win in the 1st game of a world cup. Southgate has said it won't change and he won't panic and that this is the way we will play and he showed that by not throwing all our strikers on in a desperate attempt to get the goal.
Looking at a far few of the suggestions coming up here i think there might be some truth in it been the impossible job
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England should have been out of sight with that performance but as far too often happens the officials made sure the outcome would be a bit of a lottery.
Absolutely. It’s not really fair is it? Every single time that we play against a foreign team, the ref and linesmen are foreigners as well.
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Dean Saunders sounds about as tactically aware as he was when he was here. Jesus.
Stones at wing back? Anyone listening to Talksport sounds like they're getting a rough listen. Rose at centre half!? He's small and never played there in his life. No wonder we got nowhere when Pearce was U21s manager compared to our recent success at youth level.
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
Did you see Harry Maguires heat map against Tunisia? He was in front of Henderson a lot of the time. Walker and Maguire get plenty of licence to get forward. I’d keep the same shape solely to give the players more experience playing that way.
I’d agree with the point that it’s good to get them used to playing like this. But I don’t think it’s more attacking having Maguire pushing into midfield rather than having Loftus-Cheek in there.
Also I think he will change the system against Belgium and play dier with Henderson in the middle and drop either lingard or alli
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I’d consider only playing 2 centre halves and pushing someone else into midfield
Say stones and Maguire at centre half, rose and trippier wingbacks and add Loftus-Cheek into middle of park
We won’t need 3 centre halves against Panama,
Just wasting a player
Did you see Harry Maguires heat map against Tunisia? He was in front of Henderson a lot of the time. Walker and Maguire get plenty of licence to get forward. I’d keep the same shape solely to give the players more experience playing that way.
I’d agree with the point that it’s good to get them used to playing like this. But I don’t think it’s more attacking having Maguire pushing into midfield rather than having Loftus-Cheek in there.
Also I think he will change the system against Belgium and play dier with Henderson in the middle and drop either lingard or alli
He won’t play Dier and Henderson together against Belgium. It unbalances the system I think.
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I’m not sure what I’d do, because we won’t dominate possession in that game. And lingard, alli won’t offer much defensively or in trying to win the ball back.
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Panama having to win changes the tactics we may employ, maybe not the team so much, if we are easily in front,then maybe change a few players to keep them match fit.
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I’m not sure we need to be worrying and changing tactics for the Panama game.
They’d struggle in league 1
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Think we've the players, if we sit in to defend well and deep, we can really catch Belgium out because they will have fullback's high up the pitch and leave lots of room to counter attack
might be one for Vardy with Kane that would freshen it up and give us a lot in the counter attack