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Title: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Paul Simpson on July 11, 2018, 09:51:50 pm
Is it just me or is the reason fergie left becoming justified with the budget ?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: keith79 on July 11, 2018, 09:57:20 pm
You saying these new players are w**k?.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 09:58:44 pm
Is it just me or is the reason fergie left becoming justified with the budget ?


No, how much longer is the transfer window open?

Let’s wait a bit longer to judge, perhaps??
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 11, 2018, 10:01:08 pm
We've signed a quality player from Scotland and a pacey young striker, who doesn't have loads of experience but we'll see how he does. After signing just 2 players isn't it a bit too early to judge?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: drfchound on July 11, 2018, 10:05:39 pm
Let’s look again after the first week in August.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Paul Simpson on July 11, 2018, 10:06:43 pm
I’m not convinced. I’m sure fergie had much better players in mind . All cheap options imo . I thought we would be looking for a decent striker ? But no clearly the new manager has agreed cheap options are the way to go !  We’ve lost a decent manager imo and replaced him with a bloke who agrees with the clubs cheap way of achieving very little.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 11, 2018, 10:10:15 pm
I’m not convinced. I’m sure fergie had much better players in mind . All cheap options imo . I thought we would be looking for a decent striker ? But no clearly the new manager has agreed cheap options are the way to go !  We’ve lost a decent manager imo and replaced him with a bloke who agrees with the clubs cheap way of achieving very little.

We've signed 2 players! Who says we aren't looking for a decent striker?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 10:10:35 pm
I’m not convinced. I’m sure fergie had much better players in mind . All cheap options imo . I thought we would be looking for a decent striker ? But no clearly the new manager has agreed cheap options are the way to go !  We’ve lost a decent manager imo and replaced him with a bloke who agrees with the clubs cheap way of achieving very little.

Can you give me Saturdays lottery numbers please?

How do you know Fergie had better players in mind, how do you know the new man is only going for cheap options??

Let’s see what the next 4 weeks bring, never mind the actual games.!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 11, 2018, 10:11:14 pm
I’m not convinced. I’m sure fergie had much better players in mind . All cheap options imo . I thought we would be looking for a decent striker ? But no clearly the new manager has agreed cheap options are the way to go !  We’ve lost a decent manager imo and replaced him with a bloke who agrees with the clubs cheap way of achieving very little.

Is it really only twelve days since you posted this..?

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All doom and gloom. How about getting behind our club , manager and the boys!!! ⚽️ Rtid
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: drfchound on July 11, 2018, 10:11:50 pm
I’m not convinced. I’m sure fergie had much better players in mind . All cheap options imo . I thought we would be looking for a decent striker ? But no clearly the new manager has agreed cheap options are the way to go !  We’ve lost a decent manager imo and replaced him with a bloke who agrees with the clubs cheap way of achieving very little.






Why have we achieved very little.
The season hasn’t even started yet.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Paul Simpson on July 11, 2018, 10:13:29 pm
Oh and what happened to this manager working with the existing back room staff? Complete garbage! Strachan gone and russ Wilcox too! Let’s have some honesty Drfc!!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 10:15:26 pm
Oh and what happened to this manager working with the existing back room staff? Complete garbage! Strachan gone and russ Wilcox too! Let’s have some honesty Drfc!!!

If you fell into a barrel of tits, would you come out sucking your thumb?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 11, 2018, 10:18:30 pm
Oh and what happened to this manager working with the existing back room staff? Complete garbage! Strachan gone and russ Wilcox too! Let’s have some honesty Drfc!!!


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All doom and gloom. How about getting behind our club , manager and the boys!!! ⚽️ Rtid
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 11, 2018, 10:25:11 pm
Russ Wilcox was at the match last night in his Rovers Kit so when did he leave?

GM has signed two players their quality can only be judged when we see them play.

Now he must sign at least two quality players for the central three as said before today we do not have enough of top league 1 quality for those positions.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 11, 2018, 10:40:14 pm
Thoughts on McCann's new players was the question, not let's rip into someone else's opinion rather than give your own.

Me? Verdict is out. I haven't a scooby about either player, but what I do know is we are woefully short of quality in midfield and I thought that would have been the new manager's first signing and where we could have made a statement of our intent this coming season. Still time but the clock is ticking down.

If we don't get what we need, you had better put the crash helmets on, as what conclusions is everyone supposed to come to?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: karlos on July 11, 2018, 10:45:27 pm
Two quality players, one of them from Scotland not saying he isn't going to be good but just remember Curtis main looks good in Scotland the top division in Scotland is poor compared to English football.
Next the striker sorry forgot his name who played for Bradford last year injury prone and a liability is this the kind of player to bring on the younger ones?? And then last but not least a unproven striker from Leeds why not give one of our own unproven youth players a chance. Hope I'm wrong but not much to impress me here.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 10:49:58 pm
Alan, how do you know the manager isn’t looking for quality on midfield as a priority?  Maybe some deals conclude quicker than others?

My only gripe is with fans jumping to conclusions when there are weeks left to sign more players..

I don’t mind different opinions on the individual players, but for the squad as a whole, let’s wait and see?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 11, 2018, 10:56:41 pm
IDM, how do you know he is?

Answer the op's question. I've given my opinion.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 11, 2018, 10:57:57 pm
IDM the manager said today

"I’ve already spoken to the right people and am excited to have signed Ali Crawford and Mallik Wilks, and may have more additions before the start of the season."

I, like you, hope that may is will.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: scawsby steve on July 11, 2018, 11:00:54 pm
IDM, how do you know he is?

Answer the op's question. I've given my opinion.

Careful Alan, you'll get ripped to pieces on here if your opinion is different to the general consensus.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: karlos on July 11, 2018, 11:01:14 pm
If this is the only signings to come then I hope I'm wrong but we have a long season ahead!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 11:01:40 pm
Alan you gave an opinion on what the manager’s priorities should be.. that’s fair enough, but all I was saying is no one knows that he is or isn’t trying to sign such players..

As for the OP, no one on here knows the budget so anything about that is only speculation.. don’t you think it is better to wait until the window closes to make considered conclusions on the squad and the manager’s progress??
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: pib on July 11, 2018, 11:03:22 pm
The bloke's only been in the job two weeks. Let's see where we are in a month.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 11:05:39 pm
IDM, how do you know he is?

Answer the op's question. I've given my opinion.

Careful Alan, you'll get ripped to pieces on here if your opinion is different to the general consensus.

Questioning someone’s opinion or disagreeing with their point of view - with reasons - isn’t ripping them to pieces.

At the moment some posters are criticising the signings to date, as if there are to be no more.. my thought is let’s wait and see what we end up with, before making such conclusions?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: karlos on July 11, 2018, 11:06:58 pm
Ok so if there were no more signings and I hope there is  what would people's thoughts be who are saying wait till the transfer window closes?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 11:09:53 pm
If there are no more signings at all, it would be a worry that the squad isn’t good enough..

That in itself proves nothing about the budget, potentially players may decide not to sign for other reasons.

I would be very surprised and concerned if the manager thought the squad was complete now..
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 11, 2018, 11:10:39 pm
I gave an opinion about his, so far, two signings! Do you only read what you want to read so you can snipe back?

My thoughts stand on where we are, presently. Who knows what will happen next, but nothing I've read today has given me much confidence that the manager's quoted 'very very competitive budget' is going to bear fruit.

Patience is a great attribute to have, I am well aware of that, and I am prepared to wait a little longer to see if and when we are going to sign the quality we seriously need, if we are to get anywhere near our stated aims.

Currently, we are 2 quality midfield players down and still over reliant on JM.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 11, 2018, 11:11:06 pm
At this stage I will throw my hat in with you karlos.

But then you should know how this site always works. If you say you are disappointed now they will say wait until the window is closed to see who we get. If you wait until the window is closed they will say give the team a chance until the Xmas window. If we are in a relegation battle all season they will say wait until the very last game, and then when we get relegated they will say it is all history now and we should be looking to next season.......
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 11, 2018, 11:13:48 pm
Alan, I agree and I think we have been very patient in the hope that something great might happen. But we are still waiting. Maybe what we are seeing now id what Fergie saw would happen.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: karlos on July 11, 2018, 11:17:52 pm
Micheal Shaw couldn't agree with you more and that's why I hope I'm wrong in thinking this may be all we have to come.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: IDM on July 11, 2018, 11:18:03 pm
Alan I agree with you on where we are lacking, but neither you nor I know what is in the pipeline..

Michael that is not how I see things, we do need more players..

It is once those extra players come in that the argument of giving them time to settle applies..

Let’s get this clear, the squad is incomplete, the disagreement here is whether we think it will be, or not..

Who knows? That’s why I say wait and see..
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 11, 2018, 11:21:18 pm
Lund has been taken off the transfer so that one less incoming player we will get. As good as he is I don't think he promotion material.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 11, 2018, 11:25:56 pm
There's one thing we all have in common or we wouldn't be on here at all, and that is we are all passionate about seeing Rovers have a successful season. Which is why I try to show respect for other posters - even if we don't share the same views, we all have Rovers best interests at heart.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on July 12, 2018, 01:36:25 am
Far too early to come to any conclusions. The only thing you can see is that GM is his own man and wants to do it his way and bring in players/staff that will do a job the way he wants it done.

Cannot believe folk are regretting Fergie moving on given the underperformance and weakness when it mattered, and the same mistakes repeating.

You can't pretend to know much about the players he's brought in so far as we don't know them well enough to judge. He clearly knows them better than we do. Most managers will take a gamble on a couple of players and Taylor seems to be one in that category.

Once again, it's complete folly bringing the budget into this as none of us have a Scooby doo how to manage it, even if we knew what it was.

He says there's more signings to come and most of us think there are some positions to be filled so, if he's singing from the same hymn sheet, what's the problem?

Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: phil old leake on July 12, 2018, 07:49:01 am
Give me a fxxxing rope to hang myself. Don’t think I’ll bother going next year. According to some the seasons over already. 

Doom and gloom merchants ride again

Let’s give the man a chance and see what happens. 

Some people are anti everything and everyone we sign

Get over yourselves and hopefully enjoy the ride
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 12, 2018, 07:53:16 am
I think the main scepticism is yet again about a decent budget but to see how much we have trimmed off the wage bill this summer with some of our higher earners gone , the players brought in is hardly encouraging and it seems like we need to shift mandeville and Garrett to bring more in and the last thing the manager needs is to get off to a bad start we need competition throughout the team you have seen two goalkeepers fight it out for the jersey and seen the benefit to the team it brings the best out of them.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 12, 2018, 01:05:17 pm
IDM, how do you know he is?

Answer the op's question. I've given my opinion.

How can anybody answer the OP's question when apparently he knows all about the budget and we don't?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 02:54:38 pm
What has the budget got to do with the op's question?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on July 12, 2018, 03:30:38 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 12, 2018, 03:37:00 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Retdon1 on July 12, 2018, 03:51:16 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.

Where has McCann said he’s not bringing anyone else in.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 12, 2018, 04:07:16 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.

Where has McCann said he’s not bringing anyone else in.

I suppose it depends on how you interpret what is quoted in the paper. To me "Along with the potential signing of trialist Paul Taylor - who featured in Tuesday's friendly win at Frickley Athletic - McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market. "I think if we got that attacking player in then I'd be quite pleased" he told the Free Press.
would indicate he is not looking to bring anyone else in.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Retdon1 on July 12, 2018, 04:13:27 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.

Where has McCann said he’s not bringing anyone else in.

I suppose it depends on how you interpret what is quoted in the paper. To me "Along with the potential signing of trialist Paul Taylor - who featured in Tuesday's friendly win at Frickley Athletic - McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market. "I think if we got that attacking player in then I'd be quite pleased" he told the Free Press.
would indicate he is not looking to bring anyone else in.

Well let’s hope he’s just trying to not give anything away. Signing 1 more striker plus Taylor is not enough... we still need 2 more midfielders plus at least 1 defender. What happens if we get an injury to a defender early on like we did with Andrews last season. Still light in that department for me
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 12, 2018, 04:16:17 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.

Where has McCann said he’s not bringing anyone else in.

I suppose it depends on how you interpret what is quoted in the paper. To me "Along with the potential signing of trialist Paul Taylor - who featured in Tuesday's friendly win at Frickley Athletic - McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market. "I think if we got that attacking player in then I'd be quite pleased" he told the Free Press.
would indicate he is not looking to bring anyone else in.

Well let’s hope he’s just trying to not give anything away. Signing 1 more striker plus Taylor is not enough... we still need 2 more midfielders plus at least 1 defender. What happens if we get an injury to a defender early on like we did with Andrews last season. Still light in that department for me

I agree totally.  If it is correct though it certainly would open a few questions regarding "The budget"
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RugbyRover on July 12, 2018, 04:20:25 pm
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/breaking-news-peterborough-united-have-a-million-pound-bid-for-a-striker-rejected-and-two-players-turn-down-the-chance-to-leave-the-abax-stadium-1-8563882

seems we don't have any cash to spend when shrewsbury can pay more than us
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 04:30:29 pm
We are still 3 players off having a decent L1 side, never mind top 6. I hope McCann is 'playing the market'!

But Barry Fry's comments re us and the Shrews are worrying.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 12, 2018, 04:34:53 pm
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/posh/breaking-news-peterborough-united-have-a-million-pound-bid-for-a-striker-rejected-and-two-players-turn-down-the-chance-to-leave-the-abax-stadium-1-8563882

seems we don't have any cash to spend when shrewsbury can pay more than us

It doesn’t mean we don’t have any cash. It means we don’t want to pay too much for a 31 year old. Understandable.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Iberian Red on July 12, 2018, 04:59:06 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.

Where has McCann said he’s not bringing anyone else in.

I suppose it depends on how you interpret what is quoted in the paper. To me "Along with the potential signing of trialist Paul Taylor - who featured in Tuesday's friendly win at Frickley Athletic - McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market. "I think if we got that attacking player in then I'd be quite pleased" he told the Free Press.
would indicate he is not looking to bring anyone else in.

Well let’s hope he’s just trying to not give anything away. Signing 1 more striker plus Taylor is not enough... we still need 2 more midfielders plus at least 1 defender. What happens if we get an injury to a defender early on like we did with Andrews last season. Still light in that department for me

I agree totally.  If it is correct though it certainly would open a few questions regarding "The budget"

 You totally agree with your own opinion. Purple helmet
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 12, 2018, 05:15:08 pm
The player not mentioned here is also going to be a cheap option, but could be a star, excellent choice IMO.

And then there will be others. As for there not being much time for players to bed in, we have a fairly established squad so it's not the same as it is for some clubs who have made more major changes. I'm so far happy with what we are seeing with the input of freshness with a few players plus the new manager's style and enthusiasm. The quality will show, or not, there's no way of telling so soon.

Unfortunately if what GM has supposedly said to the DFP there will be no more new faces coming in. I don't know if that includes the lad from Bristol City.

Where has McCann said he’s not bringing anyone else in.

I suppose it depends on how you interpret what is quoted in the paper. To me "Along with the potential signing of trialist Paul Taylor - who featured in Tuesday's friendly win at Frickley Athletic - McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market. "I think if we got that attacking player in then I'd be quite pleased" he told the Free Press.
would indicate he is not looking to bring anyone else in.

Well let’s hope he’s just trying to not give anything away. Signing 1 more striker plus Taylor is not enough... we still need 2 more midfielders plus at least 1 defender. What happens if we get an injury to a defender early on like we did with Andrews last season. Still light in that department for me

I agree totally.  If it is correct though it certainly would open a few questions regarding "The budget"

 You totally agree with your own opinion. Purple helmet


 :kiss: :kiss:
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 12, 2018, 05:20:13 pm
First Shrewsbury have sold 2/3 of their first team players so they will have the funds.
Peterborough want a striker, the price they are asking for Grant maybe as Gaz says mor than we want to pay for a 31 year old player. So it’s down to who blinks first. GM says he’s nearly finished in the market but we still need centre midfield players to be anywhere near top 10 but our aim is top six. So this is now down to what we do before Aug 4th then Aug 9th.

If the Club want top six they should know what we need but maybe playing hard ball in this time.

Reiterate the message that came from the club JM is NOT FOR SALE.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RoversAlias on July 12, 2018, 06:05:41 pm
Grant has just turned 31, I imagine Peterborough may want more for him than we are willing to spend. It doesn't mean that we don't have the money necessarily.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 12, 2018, 06:16:53 pm
  That offer of a million for a lower division  striker must take the value of Marquis  a lot higher than that.
  If the lad from Bristol City joins us, with the lad from Leeds, I can see the two Alfies getting a lot of bench time this season, and one eventualy going on loan.
  Probably Blair or Kiwomya as well unless we play wide men.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 12, 2018, 06:57:13 pm
  That offer of a million for a lower division  striker must take the value of Marquis  a lot higher than that.
  If the lad from Bristol City joins us, with the lad from Leeds, I can see the two Alfies getting a lot of bench time this season, and one eventualy going on loan.
  Probably Blair or Kiwomya as well unless we play wide men.

Did you not go to Frickley.

We played 4 3 3 therefore we will need six players at least to play in the front 3.

So for the front three we have Marquis, Malik, May, Beestin, Kiwomya maybe Taylor? So will need players that can play in and out.

He might decide to play Crawford, Blair, Coppinger and Rowe there, but we haven’t got two out of the middle three yet so those might be in there,

Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 07:07:42 pm
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Probably Blair or Kiwomya as well unless we play wide men.

Don't forget, Selby, Mansfield were after Kiwomya! Maybe, there's something in him going, also.

Also, we've now lost another wage, with Mandeville departing on loan to Morecambe (bit of a round trip for you, Selby  ;))

I sincerely hope we have 'irons in the fire'.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 12, 2018, 07:09:08 pm
Mansfield were never after Kiwomya.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 07:19:49 pm
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After the excitement of Mansfield Town’s triple signing on Friday, the club are rumoured to be set to pounce for Doncaster Rovers winger Alex Kiwomya. The 22-year-old, who came through Chelsea’s youth academy, signed a three-year deal at Rovers last summer after enjoying loan spells at Barnsley, Fleetwood Town and Crewe Alexandra. He played 12 games for Rovers last season, scoring once.

Read more at: https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/mansfield-town/are-stags-set-to-pounce-for-kiwomya-1-9230454

This, from 2nd July.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 12, 2018, 07:21:34 pm
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After the excitement of Mansfield Town’s triple signing on Friday, the club are rumoured to be set to pounce for Doncaster Rovers winger Alex Kiwomya. The 22-year-old, who came through Chelsea’s youth academy, signed a three-year deal at Rovers last summer after enjoying loan spells at Barnsley, Fleetwood Town and Crewe Alexandra. He played 12 games for Rovers last season, scoring once.

Read more at: https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/mansfield-town/are-stags-set-to-pounce-for-kiwomya-1-9230454

This, from 2nd July.

This, from the article;

After the excitement of Mansfield Town’s triple signing on Friday, the club are rumoured to be set to pounce for Doncaster Rovers winger Alex Kiwomya.

Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 12, 2018, 07:28:04 pm
The rumour came from a Twitter account that makes up crap.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 12, 2018, 07:32:52 pm
Amazes me how some people will take a rumour from social media from a random bloke as gospel yet if it comes from the club it's b*llocks and there's a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 07:51:13 pm
Hang on a minute, when has anyone from the Club rubbished the 'rumours' from Mansfield. There may well have been an offer made, as far as anyone knows on here (unless, of course, someone has inside knowledge).

The Club have seen fit, all too readily, to distance themselves from the Bristol report, but yet I have seen nothing re Kiwomya.

Give people a break.

Next, you'll be telling us that no-one has shown any interest in Marquis.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 12, 2018, 07:54:06 pm
Do they really need to come out and rubbish every rumour on the internet for you to be happy?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: vaya on July 12, 2018, 07:55:33 pm
Hang on a minute, when has anyone from the Club rubbished the 'rumours' from Mansfield. There may well have been an offer made, as far as anyone knows on here (unless, of course, someone has inside knowledge).

The Club have seen fit, all too readily, to distance themselves from the Bristol report, but yet I have seen nothing re Kiwomya.

Give people a break.

Next, you'll be telling us that no-one has shown any interest in Marquis.

Fair points Alan. I see the club has failed to distance itself from rumours surrounding the likelihood of an imminent attack by Godzilla.
Obvious its going to happen on that basis.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2018, 07:59:36 pm
Centre midfield still way too weak for me. Needs major work. Two maybe three players.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 08:16:18 pm
Thanks for the common sense, Chris.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 12, 2018, 08:39:42 pm
What has the budget got to do with the op's question?

Didn't you read his very first post in this thread and the question in it he wants us to answer?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 12, 2018, 09:04:30 pm
I think there is a lot more that needs doing.

Happy with Anderson and Crawford to add to the first team and Watters as one for the future. I’m not enthused by the prospect of loaning fairly unproven strikers from other clubs when;

1. We need to replace Williams with someone of better quality so as to take some of the burden off Marquis.
2. I’d rather we developed our own young players than those that belong to other clubs.

We need to replace Houghton, who has been a big player for us over two seasons. But, as is the risk of playing the loan market, MK Dons will now benefit from his future resale potential. While we need to replace him.

Any indication that our transfer activity is almost over is worrying to say the least.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: scawsby steve on July 12, 2018, 09:24:38 pm
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Probably Blair or Kiwomya as well unless we play wide men.

Don't forget, Selby, Mansfield were after Kiwomya! Maybe, there's something in him going, also.

Also, we've now lost another wage, with Mandeville departing on loan to Morecambe (bit of a round trip for you, Selby  ;))

I sincerely hope we have 'irons in the fire'.

I may be wrong Alan, but I think we'll still be paying some of Mandeville's wages.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 12, 2018, 09:28:26 pm
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Probably Blair or Kiwomya as well unless we play wide men.

Don't forget, Selby, Mansfield were after Kiwomya! Maybe, there's something in him going, also.

Also, we've now lost another wage, with Mandeville departing on loan to Morecambe (bit of a round trip for you, Selby  ;))

I sincerely hope we have 'irons in the fire'.

I may be wrong Alan, but I think we'll still be paying some of Mandeville's wages.

I believe like Evina last year we will be paying some wages as you say that’s he’s gone on loan and not a straight move.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 09:31:21 pm
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Didn't you read his very first post in this thread and the question in it he wants us to answer?

But that is not the first question he asked and it's the title of the thread in question! You answered the 2nd question, which was more about the op's own personal query based on his feelings about things!

Now, what's your answer to q1?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 12, 2018, 09:34:15 pm
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I may be wrong Alan, but I think we'll still be paying some of Mandeville's wages.

You may well be right, Scawsby, we will never know. It will still relieve some load off whatever resources the manager has left at his disposal.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 12, 2018, 09:47:23 pm
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Didn't you read his very first post in this thread and the question in it he wants us to answer?

But that is not the first question he asked and it's the title of the thread in question! You answered the 2nd question, which was more about the op's own personal query based on his feelings about things!

Now, what's your answer to q1?

I don't know anything about them or how the manager sees them fitting into his vision so I can't answer that question either.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2018, 09:49:54 pm
Can't believe he'll be happy with this squad and actually I haven't seen him saying it anywhere?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 12, 2018, 09:52:06 pm
Can't believe he'll be happy with this squad and actually I haven't seen him saying it anywhere?

I've searched for that statement and can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on July 12, 2018, 10:04:24 pm
If there isn't to be many more incomings then yeah GM will have to do some brilliant work to get us challenging for top 6. But it is possible. And we still have a decent amount of time to make signings so really its best not to make prejudgements.

Express concern sure but some of the talk on here is crazy. I don't get how people manage to function in the world if this is how they react to a few transfers   
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on July 12, 2018, 10:48:05 pm
Is it just me or do we have these “we’ve no money”, “our signings are shit”, “the board aren’t ambitious” debates every pre season?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Boomstick on July 12, 2018, 11:46:55 pm
Is it just me or do we have these “we’ve no money”, “our signings are shit”, “the board aren’t ambitious” debates every pre season?
It's you, we don't
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: godlike1 on July 13, 2018, 04:14:08 am
Have to say that the incomings have been less than inspiring so far and does not give the impression of a club wanting to chase for a play off place
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 06:23:15 am
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Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
Can't believe he'll be happy with this squad and actually I haven't seen him saying it anywhere?

I've searched for that statement and can't find it anywhere.

It's on page 2 of this very thread........see Cantley Rover's post.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 13, 2018, 07:16:54 am
Hopefully we get off to a good start the last thing the manager needs is a bad start and under pressure from board expectation of mounting a promotion challenge is way off the mark next season with a squad lacking in depth
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 13, 2018, 07:49:00 am
The thing is, us fans have seen what signings it takes to be successful in this league and what it takes to be unsuccessful. We can’t have the wool pulled over our eyes. People just aren’t going to buy it when the signings don’t match the supposed ambition of the board. It’s easy to say we want to finish top 6, that’s empty rhetoric. To fulfill the ambition you need to bring in at least some players that have proven previously they can achieve that goal, otherwise you are just taking a punt.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 13, 2018, 07:54:52 am
When applications were invited for the job, the criteria for applicants were to come in and work with the current backroom team, so far Strachen and Wilcox have left, with GM stating he wanted his own people in, thats one of the criteria broken. The applicant must demonstrate the ability to work at Championship level or it's equivalent , I can't see where that criteria is being met either. And now we see the beginings of the recruitment process and things don't look too inspiring at the moment. Things definitely  don't look rosey behind the scenes from the outside looking in
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 13, 2018, 07:59:32 am
When applications were invited for the job, the criteria for applicants were to come in and work with the current backroom team, so far Strachen and Wilcox have left, with GM stating he wanted his own people in, thats one of the criteria broken. The applicant must demonstrate the ability to work at Championship level or it's equivalent , I can't see where that criteria is being met either. And now we see the beginings of the recruitment process and things don't look too inspiring at the moment. Things definitely  don't look rosey behind the scenes from the outside looking in

The fact out previous manager walked out was the most worrying thing of all Filo. 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:04:56 am
Is it just me or do we have these “we’ve no money”, “our signings are shit”, “the board aren’t ambitious” debates every pre season?
It's you, we don't


Yes we do. And during the rest of the year too.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2018, 08:19:04 am
I will reserve final judgement until the transfer window shuts and we can evaluate what we have. There is still plenty of time to get some more players in and hopefully that will happen.

It’s not my place to comment on the budget and I’ll trust what we’ve been told - that it has not reduced. But the simple fact at this point in time is that the squad is weaker than the one that finished last season.

Williams’ departure should in theory provide an opportunity to bring in a quality striker. Mandeville’s departure compounds this. We have not addressed this yet.

Houghton’s departure highlights the need to bring in a quality central midfield player. We have not done this yet. (Crawford is more of a number 10 and hopefully adds something there).

Anderson was secured on a permanent so that one is sorted. But there’s an argument to say we need to replace Baudry if we are to maintain the status quo let alone strengthen. Especially with Alcock having gone and Garratt now leaving.

So all in all we are unquestionably weaker at this point. Plenty still to do if we are to challenge for the top 6. 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Lesonthewest on July 13, 2018, 09:18:48 am
Well I really hope we are not nearly done in the transfer market, there is time yet of course, but if we are we are well short of a squad to compete with the bottom half let alone top six as it stands. The next few weeks will reveal all.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 09:44:45 am
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Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
Can't believe he'll be happy with this squad and actually I haven't seen him saying it anywhere?

I've searched for that statement and can't find it anywhere.

It's on page 2 of this very thread........see Cantley Rover's post.

The only thing McCann says is "I think if we got that attacking player in then I'd be quite pleased".
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 13, 2018, 09:48:00 am
When applications were invited for the job, the criteria for applicants were to come in and work with the current backroom team, so far Strachen and Wilcox have left, with GM stating he wanted his own people in, thats one of the criteria broken. The applicant must demonstrate the ability to work at Championship level or it's equivalent , I can't see where that criteria is being met either. And now we see the beginings of the recruitment process and things don't look too inspiring at the moment. Things definitely  don't look rosey behind the scenes from the outside looking in

The fact out previous manager walked out was the most worrying thing of all Filo. 

Not for some!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 13, 2018, 09:50:05 am
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Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
Can't believe he'll be happy with this squad and actually I haven't seen him saying it anywhere?

I've searched for that statement and can't find it anywhere.

It's on page 2 of this very thread........see Cantley Rover's post.

I'm talking about the source of it, not somebody's reprint.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 13, 2018, 10:08:51 am
Next thing, if we struggle at the start of the season it'll be down to players not having a full pre-season, and THAT will be Darren Ferguson's fault for resigning unexpectedly! Just like it was Paul Dickov's fault for Darren Ferguson's initial failings!


Mark my words!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ZiggerZagger on July 13, 2018, 10:28:32 am
Spoke to several of the players the other day. Looking forward to the new season with their shackles off, being able to play with width and attack teams. They all seem to think a lot of they way McCann wants them to play with the lets play in their half mentality and the don't be afraid to shoot, you dont get an extra goal for trying to walk it in went down well too. 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 13, 2018, 10:36:11 am
Let's hope this new best thing since sliced bread is better than the old best thing since sliced bread.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Copps is Magic on July 13, 2018, 12:19:00 pm
This Ali Crawford looks half decent, and this Shawn McCoulsky looks half decent. And this Wilks looks like a promising youngster.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ravenrover on July 13, 2018, 01:20:12 pm
I will reserve final judgement until the transfer window shuts and we can evaluate what we have. There is still plenty of time to get some more players in and hopefully that will happen.

It’s not my place to comment on the budget and I’ll trust what we’ve been told - that it has not reduced. But the simple fact at this point in time is that the squad is weaker than the one that finished last season.

Williams’ departure should in theory provide an opportunity to bring in a quality striker. Mandeville’s departure compounds this. We have not addressed this yet.

Houghton’s departure highlights the need to bring in a quality central midfield player. We have not done this yet. (Crawford is more of a number 10 and hopefully adds something there).

Anderson was secured on a permanent so that one is sorted. But there’s an argument to say we need to replace Baudry if we are to maintain the status quo let alone strengthen. Especially with Alcock having gone and Garratt now leaving.

So all in all we are unquestionably weaker at this point. Plenty still to do if we are to challenge for the top 6. 
Fully agree about needing a strong def mid-fielder but again Houghton was a loan not one of ours. As for replacing Baudry surely Anderson IS the replacement
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RoversAlias on July 13, 2018, 01:39:37 pm
I will reserve final judgement until the transfer window shuts and we can evaluate what we have. There is still plenty of time to get some more players in and hopefully that will happen.

It’s not my place to comment on the budget and I’ll trust what we’ve been told - that it has not reduced. But the simple fact at this point in time is that the squad is weaker than the one that finished last season.

Williams’ departure should in theory provide an opportunity to bring in a quality striker. Mandeville’s departure compounds this. We have not addressed this yet.

Houghton’s departure highlights the need to bring in a quality central midfield player. We have not done this yet. (Crawford is more of a number 10 and hopefully adds something there).

Anderson was secured on a permanent so that one is sorted. But there’s an argument to say we need to replace Baudry if we are to maintain the status quo let alone strengthen. Especially with Alcock having gone and Garratt now leaving.

So all in all we are unquestionably weaker at this point. Plenty still to do if we are to challenge for the top 6. 
Fully agree about needing a strong def mid-fielder but again Houghton was a loan not one of ours. As for replacing Baudry surely Anderson IS the replacement

Whether they were ours or not, their position needs filling in the squad. So Houghton definitely needs replacing.

And I wouldn't class Anderson as Baudry's replacement, no. We were short at CB for the first half of last season and added two defenders due to injury in January. For me, one of them was a redundant squad position (filled by Boyle) so Anderson fills that gap, but now Baudry is gone we can't possibly expect to be okay with only Wright, Butler and Anderson to play at CB.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 13, 2018, 01:39:57 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2018, 01:44:39 pm
As above, I think Anderson replaces Anderson (following his brief return to Burnley). Don’t get me wrong I think he’s an excellent addition, but we are still short in central defence given that numbers wise we will be missing Baudry, Alcock, Boyle and Garratt.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 01:45:34 pm
No Wilks?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 01:45:50 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May

Where would you have Malik Wilks and Taylor(if we sign him)
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2018, 01:48:29 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May

Where would you have Malik Wilks and Taylor(if we sign him)

I know the question isn’t directed at me, but I simply wouldn’t sign him. There are surely other priorities. A striker, at least one central midfield player and cover in central defence.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 01:51:14 pm
As above, I think Anderson replaces Anderson (following his brief return to Burnley). Don’t get me wrong I think he’s an excellent addition, but we are still short in central defence given that numbers wise we will be missing Baudry, Alcock, Boyle and Garratt.

Agree but Lund in place of Garrett and I think Boyle was an extra but we have not got a replacements yet for Baudry and Alcock.

The centre midfield is the concerning area the players we are linked with apart from AG are in tha attacking three it appears.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Metalmicky on July 13, 2018, 01:55:32 pm
McCann says business done....
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 01:57:56 pm
McCann says business done....

Where is this been put into the public domain please?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 13, 2018, 01:58:48 pm
You could say Blaney replaces Baudry. Also, we won't be playing 3 a the back.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RoversAlias on July 13, 2018, 02:06:01 pm
Okay, so consensus seems to be forming that, positions-wise, we need to replace Alcock, Baudry, Houghton and Williams. I'd agree with that.

In the line-up DonnyOsmond has posted, I'd actually be reasonably confident in that line-up providing we sign another central midfielder. That's before factoring in injuries throughout the season of course.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 02:07:00 pm
You could say Blaney replaces Baudry. Also, we won't be playing 3 a the back.

You can say that but he is learning his trade will be playing in the development squad. We lost three centre halves in two weeks and we were lucky it was in the transfer window, we had to bring in two centre halves. Therefore 4 centre halves doesn’t mean have to play a three.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Retdon1 on July 13, 2018, 02:10:45 pm
McCann says business done....

Where is this been put into the public domain please?

It’s a story just been released on the free press website that McCann has pretty much said 1 more attacking player and we’re about done...
so we have lost baudry, Williams, evina, Alcock, plus the loans of houghton, kongolo and Boyle and only brought in Anderson, Crawford and the young lad on loan from Leeds... the board says the budget has gone up but where the hell has it been spent. We’re still 4 players short of having a competitive squad. Not looking good.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 02:19:57 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 02:20:36 pm
And we've moved out Mandeville and will be trying to find Garrett a Club!

Please tell me this is either a joke or McCann is playing poker with Peterborough.

We are nowhere near ready yet!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2018, 02:21:14 pm
A note of pedantry. The budget may well have gone up so it’s not right to cast doubt on that at this stage. But if we start the season anything like we are right now then actual (and projected) expenditure on wages and transfers will surely reduce significantly. There is still time to use more of the increased budget.

And presumably the club will continue to operate in the same way, whereby if a special opportunity arises (I don’t mean Taylor) then we could make a move outside the budget.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: bedale rover on July 13, 2018, 02:22:03 pm
McCann says business done....

Where is this been put into the public domain please?

It’s a story just been released on the free press website that McCann has pretty much said 1 more attacking player and we’re about done...
so we have lost baudry, Williams, evina, Alcock, plus the loans of houghton, kongolo and Boyle and only brought in Anderson, Crawford and the young lad on loan from Leeds... the board says the budget has gone up but where the hell has it been spent. We’re still 4 players short of having a competitive squad. Not looking good.

But we have Amos who is also a CB/lb
We also have some of the graduates from the youth system longbottom for example
So

Are we getting obsessed with signing players just for the sake of signing them?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 02:26:16 pm
McCann says business done....

Where is this been put into the public domain please?

It’s a story just been released on the free press website that McCann has pretty much said 1 more attacking player and we’re about done...
so we have lost baudry, Williams, evina, Alcock, plus the loans of houghton, kongolo and Boyle and only brought in Anderson, Crawford and the young lad on loan from Leeds... the board says the budget has gone up but where the hell has it been spent. We’re still 4 players short of having a competitive squad. Not looking good.

But we have Amos who is also a CB/lb
We also have some of the graduates from the youth system longbottom for example
So

Are we getting obsessed with signing players just for the sake of signing them?

Do you believe the squad we have will achieve a top six finish the club’s goal
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 02:26:49 pm
Be dale - are you serious?

The Board's stated aim this season is top 6, not bottom 6! We are nowhere near a strong enough squad to challenge the upper reaches of this division......yet. It is to be hoped that there are a couple of rabbits yet to be pulled out of the proverbial hat.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 13, 2018, 02:31:42 pm
Amos - Garratt
Lund - Alcock
Anderson - Anderson
Blaney - Baudry
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 13, 2018, 02:32:08 pm
We need more depth but at the moment we've got a decent first XI.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on July 13, 2018, 02:33:56 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May

that 11 isn't bad and there's Besestin/Kiwomya/Wilks who can come in for copps or Crawford (who may be in the midfield 3 we don't know yet) so there is depth in attack. But i'd like us to focus on getting another proper number 9 to compete with Marquis (or if he gets sold very late on) and another proper midfielder to replace McCullough. Grant from Posh fits the midfield description and the striker from Bristol City could be the 9. A club our size can't operate with 3 players for every position we're always going to need players like Mason or Blair to come in and do a job.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 02:35:14 pm
Like last season we can wait and see with Hindsight how GM has used the resources he’s been given.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 02:36:49 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May

that 11 isn't bad and there's Besestin/Kiwomya/Wilks who can come in for copps or Crawford (who may be in the midfield 3 we don't know yet) so there is depth in attack. But i'd like us to focus on getting another proper number 9 to compete with Marquis (or if he gets sold very late on) and another proper midfielder to replace McCullough. Grant from Posh fits the midfield description and the striker from Bristol City could be the 9. A club our size can't operate with 3 players for every position we're always going to need players like Mason or Blair to come in and do a job.

What square pegs in round holes never?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 02:37:05 pm
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We need more depth but at the moment we've got a decent first XI.

I disagree, as the midfield is nowhere near strong enough for this division, let alone top 6.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on July 13, 2018, 02:39:22 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May

that 11 isn't bad and there's Besestin/Kiwomya/Wilks who can come in for copps or Crawford (who may be in the midfield 3 we don't know yet) so there is depth in attack. But i'd like us to focus on getting another proper number 9 to compete with Marquis (or if he gets sold very late on) and another proper midfielder to replace McCullough. Grant from Posh fits the midfield description and the striker from Bristol City could be the 9. A club our size can't operate with 3 players for every position we're always going to need players like Mason or Blair to come in and do a job.

What square pegs in round holes never?

Yes if you've a right back (Mason) and then he gets injured and then the reserve gets injured you may have to play a square peg in a round hole. We will have a squad of 25 in a case like that we will have no choice just like all the other teams in the league
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: godlike1 on July 13, 2018, 03:11:53 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion

I’d agree with that, there are no signs off a push for promotion with this team at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dknward2 on July 13, 2018, 03:17:35 pm
Really hope this is just him trying to use his poker face cause if he believes the whole squad is good enough then he's wrong 1st 11 is fine and bench is good enough but outside of that sorry we are gonna struggle to get top half
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 13, 2018, 03:24:46 pm
For me we need a bit more depth mainly at center mid but I'd take this team for first game of the season.

Crawford Marquis Coppinger
Rowe McCullough Whiteman
Andrew Butler Wright Mason
Lawlor

Marosi
Amos
Anderson
Blair
Beestin
Kiwomya
May

Where would you have Malik Wilks and Taylor(if we sign him)

Obviously you can swap out Wilks and May, as I've not seen Wilks yet I chose May. Apparently he's left footed so you could have him on the left or center of the front three.

Taylor will be one of the front three and his signing for me will give us loads of competition for those two wide positions and about 4 or so for the central striker. You do worry about the goals if Marquis was to get injured and you have May, Taylor and an unproven Wilks available. If we can afford it we should bring in one more with a decent record at this level who could potentially play in other positions.

We need someone to compete with McCullough as you don't want to have Whiteman limited in a defensive position when he's a massive goal threat.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: bedale rover on July 13, 2018, 03:46:13 pm
Be dale - are you serious?

The Board's stated aim this season is top 6, not bottom 6! We are nowhere near a strong enough squad to challenge the upper reaches of this division......yet. It is to be hoped that there are a couple of rabbits yet to be pulled out of the proverbial hat.

Do you think that Shrewsbury players and fans thought they would be top six?

Do you think Leicester thought they would win the premier league?
What we think and what happens are two different things
It is all about the team and how the gel and how well they perform  collectively 
Games are won on grass not on paper
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 13, 2018, 03:51:41 pm
Be dale - are you serious?

The Board's stated aim this season is top 6, not bottom 6! We are nowhere near a strong enough squad to challenge the upper reaches of this division......yet. It is to be hoped that there are a couple of rabbits yet to be pulled out of the proverbial hat.

Do you think that Shrewsbury players and fans thought they would be top six?

Do you think Leicester thought they would win the premier league?
What we think and what happens are two different things
It is all about the team and how the gel and how well they perform  collectively 
Games are won on grass not on paper

Every team in the division has a chance of winning it, it’s just the percentage chance of doing so that changes. The idea is to give yourself the best possible chance to achieve your goal not just living on the hope that it’s your season to defy big odds.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: bedale rover on July 13, 2018, 03:53:41 pm
Be dale - are you serious?

The Board's stated aim this season is top 6, not bottom 6! We are nowhere near a strong enough squad to challenge the upper reaches of this division......yet. It is to be hoped that there are a couple of rabbits yet to be pulled out of the proverbial hat.

Do you think that Shrewsbury players and fans thought they would be top six?

Do you think Leicester thought they would win the premier league?
What we think and what happens are two different things
It is all about the team and how the gel and how well they perform  collectively 
Games are won on grass not on paper
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion

I’d agree with that, there are no signs off a push for promotion with this team at this moment in time.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion

I’d agree with that, there are no signs off a push for promotion with this team at this moment in time.

Has the season started then?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ravenrover on July 13, 2018, 04:11:06 pm
I was and still am fairly useless when it comes to maths but humour me on thus one
We start a season with 3 recognised centre backs
2 are injured so we bring in 2 on loan
When all are fit we have 3 + 2 on loan
At the end of the season 2 on loan return to their clubs leaving us with the original 3
1 departs the club leaving 2 but we then sign permanently a 3rd so we have now replaced the 1 who left
Baudry leaves Anderson is signed as a replacement, where have I gone wrong :huh:
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on July 13, 2018, 04:16:17 pm
Exactly right. Although people would say 3 centre half's isn't enough i think its ok if you've players like McCullough and Mason who can fill in if needed
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ravenrover on July 13, 2018, 04:22:33 pm
So why are people arguing that Anderson is not a replacement for Baudry?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 13, 2018, 04:23:24 pm
So why are people arguing that Anderson is not a replacement for Baudry?

Because they want replacements for the loan players too.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2018, 04:30:49 pm
Of course we need to think about replacing the loan players given their significant contribution to our first choice team. It would be utterly stupid not to think about that unless we want to accept our squad will be weaker rather than stronger.

Oh, hang on, isn’t that the very point of this whole debate...
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: roversdude on July 13, 2018, 04:33:13 pm
Do a lot of loan signings not happen after premiership sides finalise their squad ?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 04:42:30 pm
Bedale, did you actually watch us last season? Where did we finish in the league? Who did we have available in midfield? What have we got available this coming season? Where are the improvements? How do you think we will do with the current squad?

Most people that can be even arsed to write something on here will tell you the same thing, we are, at the very least, one good quality player short in midfield (at least). And I don't mean short in the vertically challenged sense. If you think our squad, as it stands today, is good enough to challenge the top 6 of this league then the Earth must indeed be flat!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 04:46:08 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion

There is absolutely nothing in what McCann is quoted as saying that justifies that headline whatsoever. If McCann did say it, why hasn't it been quoted alongside all the other stuff he's been quoted as saying? That articles stinks of fish.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RoversAlias on July 13, 2018, 04:59:21 pm
I was and still am fairly useless when it comes to maths but humour me on thus one
We start a season with 3 recognised centre backs
2 are injured so we bring in 2 on loan
When all are fit we have 3 + 2 on loan
At the end of the season 2 on loan return to their clubs leaving us with the original 3
1 departs the club leaving 2 but we then sign permanently a 3rd so we have now replaced the 1 who left
Baudry leaves Anderson is signed as a replacement, where have I gone wrong :huh:

One flaw to all of this, and it's not mathematical (kudos for that aspect, spot on).

Last summer THE big debate about our squad was that we were a centre half short. It turned out that Butler and Wright stepped up to the plate big time and proved excellent together, but with Baudry injured we were lucky that neither of them got injured until we could do something about it in January. We should not suddenly now decide that three CBs is enough because it isn't for any side, we need 4. We did also have Alcock for cover during that period and he has now gone.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on July 13, 2018, 05:03:45 pm
Of course we need to think about replacing the loan players given their significant contribution to our first choice team. It would be utterly stupid not to think about that unless we want to accept our squad will be weaker rather than stronger.

Oh, hang on, isn’t that the very point of this whole debate...

The loan signings were brought in for specific players when they were injured. Unluckily last season all those injuries hit at once which is why two loan players were needed. They weren't really in the same category of Houghton, Kongolo and Whiteman who were signed for the 1st team squad at the season's start so i wouldn't count them as players missing from this years squad.

I'd be glad if we signed another centre half don't get me wrong it's just i'd rather sign players for other positions at the moment if i'm given a choice. and i tend to be realistic that if we are going to do that then we can't have 3 senior players for every position (have we ever done that?)   
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: darren61 on July 13, 2018, 05:09:25 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195
There is absolutely nothing in what McCann is quoted as saying that justifies that headline whatsoever. If McCann did say it, why hasn't it been quoted alongside all the other stuff he's been quoted as saying? That articles stinks of fish

Just the DFP with their usual click bait headline.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 05:14:54 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195
There is absolutely nothing in what McCann is quoted as saying that justifies that headline whatsoever. If McCann did say it, why hasn't it been quoted alongside all the other stuff he's been quoted as saying? That articles stinks of fish

Just the DFP with their usual click bait headline.

That's what I think too. Unfortunately the decline of the newspapers makes fake headlines more likely as they try to get income from clickbait.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 05:52:07 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195
There is absolutely nothing in what McCann is quoted as saying that justifies that headline whatsoever. If McCann did say it, why hasn't it been quoted alongside all the other stuff he's been quoted as saying? That articles stinks of fish

Just the DFP with their usual click bait headline.

That's what I think too. Unfortunately the decline of the newspapers makes fake headlines more likely as they try to get income from clickbait.

If is a fake headline like you and others suggest it’s easy for GM or the club to deny it and give the version that is true.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 05:58:17 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195
There is absolutely nothing in what McCann is quoted as saying that justifies that headline whatsoever. If McCann did say it, why hasn't it been quoted alongside all the other stuff he's been quoted as saying? That articles stinks of fish

Just the DFP with their usual click bait headline.

That's what I think too. Unfortunately the decline of the newspapers makes fake headlines more likely as they try to get income from clickbait.

If is a fake headline like you and others suggest it’s easy for GM or the club to deny it and give the version that is true.

'If it's a fake headline'? What in the article itself makes it not a fake headline?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 06:24:54 pm
Glyn I’m not bothered how one line in the article is interpreted.
Come Aug 9th he will not hope have a squad to achieve the clubs goal of top six finish. It’s not about hope I was told it will happen.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 06:28:12 pm
Glyn I’m not bothered how one line in the article is interpreted.
Come Aug 9th he will not hope have a squad to achieve the clubs goal of top six finish. It’s not about hope I was told it will happen.

Which line are you on about being interpreted? It is something of what McCann has been quoted being interpreted incorrectly, or just Hoden's version of events?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 06:31:22 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: drfc1951 on July 13, 2018, 06:34:00 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder the same about Terry Bramall and the rest of the board
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 06:39:18 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 06:47:24 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder the same about Terry Bramall and the rest of the board

I would love to hear the answer to that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 06:53:19 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.

I'm not sure which part of what Hoden says is unsubstantiated? Are you suggesting Grant McCann didn't say these things to Hoden or are you insinuating Hoden is lying?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 07:14:19 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.

I'm not sure which part of what Hoden says is unsubstantiated? Are you suggesting Grant McCann didn't say these things to Hoden or are you insinuating Hoden is lying?

I'm saying that Hoden has reported an interview, and quoted McCann heavily from it, then written a headline that the interview itself doesn't mention. It is that headline that is unsubstantiated - unless perhaps I've missed it and you can point me to where McCann says in the interview what his future transfer plans are?

I'm not saying Hoden is lying. McCann may very well have said what Hoden says he did. It's just extremely odd for Hoden not to then include it in the reported interview...which is bloody awful journalism!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: CottyRover on July 13, 2018, 07:37:58 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.

I'm not sure which part of what Hoden says is unsubstantiated? Are you suggesting Grant McCann didn't say these things to Hoden or are you insinuating Hoden is lying?

I'm saying that Hoden has reported an interview, and quoted McCann heavily from it, then written a headline that the interview itself doesn't mention. It is that headline that is unsubstantiated - unless perhaps I've missed it and you can point me to where McCann says in the interview what his future transfer plans are?

I'm not saying Hoden is lying. McCann may very well have said what Hoden says he did. It's just extremely odd for Hoden not to then include it in the reported interview...which is bloody awful journalism!

To be fair to Liam Hoden, does he actually get to write the headline or does that fall to some sub editor?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 07:48:52 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.

I'm not sure which part of what Hoden says is unsubstantiated? Are you suggesting Grant McCann didn't say these things to Hoden or are you insinuating Hoden is lying?

I'm saying that Hoden has reported an interview, and quoted McCann heavily from it, then written a headline that the interview itself doesn't mention. It is that headline that is unsubstantiated - unless perhaps I've missed it and you can point me to where McCann says in the interview what his future transfer plans are?

I'm not saying Hoden is lying. McCann may very well have said what Hoden says he did. It's just extremely odd for Hoden not to then include it in the reported interview...which is bloody awful journalism!

To be fair to Liam Hoden, does he actually get to write the headline or does that fall to some sub editor?

Whoever it is, it's them to blame for all this because people are reading the headline and believing it without reading the article and realising it's crap. And then it's getting posted all over there as true.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 13, 2018, 07:59:16 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 08:02:31 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.

I'm not sure which part of what Hoden says is unsubstantiated? Are you suggesting Grant McCann didn't say these things to Hoden or are you insinuating Hoden is lying?

I'm saying that Hoden has reported an interview, and quoted McCann heavily from it, then written a headline that the interview itself doesn't mention. It is that headline that is unsubstantiated - unless perhaps I've missed it and you can point me to where McCann says in the interview what his future transfer plans are?

I'm not saying Hoden is lying. McCann may very well have said what Hoden says he did. It's just extremely odd for Hoden not to then include it in the reported interview...which is bloody awful journalism!

To be fair to Liam Hoden, does he actually get to write the headline or does that fall to some sub editor?

Whoever it is, it's them to blame for all this because people are reading the headline and believing it without reading the article and realising it's crap. And then it's getting posted all over there as true.

I'm sorry but I have read the headline and the article and cannot see how you come to the conclusion it's crap. Perhaps you could explain.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 13, 2018, 08:14:05 pm
No matter how much the VSC try to defend the current situation there is an awful lot of dissatisfied fans out there unhappy with the the way things currently are.
I would like to see the club offer refunds to unhappy fans that don't see their ticket money spent wisely.
I have read little that is positive (other than from the VSC) about where we are going.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/doncaster-rovers-hoping-youth-paves-the-way-to-fame-and-fortune/

We have now sunk to 19th on the bookies site     https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-1/winner
Hardly what I would expect for what we are being told will be a top 6 position at the end of the season. 

 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:14:48 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:16:00 pm
I wonder if Liam Hoden ever thinks to himself. "Why do I bother?"

I wonder why he bothers writing a headline that isn't substantiated by what he then writes in the article underneath it. If it isn't deliberate clickbait, at best it's bloody awful journalism.

I'm not sure which part of what Hoden says is unsubstantiated? Are you suggesting Grant McCann didn't say these things to Hoden or are you insinuating Hoden is lying?

I'm saying that Hoden has reported an interview, and quoted McCann heavily from it, then written a headline that the interview itself doesn't mention. It is that headline that is unsubstantiated - unless perhaps I've missed it and you can point me to where McCann says in the interview what his future transfer plans are?

I'm not saying Hoden is lying. McCann may very well have said what Hoden says he did. It's just extremely odd for Hoden not to then include it in the reported interview...which is bloody awful journalism!

To be fair to Liam Hoden, does he actually get to write the headline or does that fall to some sub editor?

Whoever it is, it's them to blame for all this because people are reading the headline and believing it without reading the article and realising it's crap. And then it's getting posted all over there as true.

I'm sorry but I have read the headline and the article and cannot see how you come to the conclusion it's crap. Perhaps you could explain.

I'm not in the slightest bit surprised you can't. And I've explained more than once, but no doubt you can't see that either.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: godlike1 on July 13, 2018, 08:17:37 pm
Be dale - are you serious?

The Board's stated aim this season is top 6, not bottom 6! We are nowhere near a strong enough squad to challenge the upper reaches of this division......yet. It is to be hoped that there are a couple of rabbits yet to be pulled out of the proverbial hat.

Do you think that Shrewsbury players and fans thought they would be top six?

Do you think Leicester thought they would win the premier league?
What we think and what happens are two different things
It is all about the team and how the gel and how well they perform  collectively 
Games are won on grass not on paper
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion

I’d agree with that, there are no signs off a push for promotion with this team at this moment in time.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-not-planning-much-more-business-in-transfer-market-1-9250195

If he believes that then let’s hope it’s just talk because if it’s actually the case we won’t be good enough for top 10 in my opinion

I’d agree with that, there are no signs off a push for promotion with this team at this moment in time.

Has the season started then?

No
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:18:05 pm
No matter how much the VSC try to defend the current situation there is an awful lot of dissatisfied fans out there unhappy with the the way things currently are.
I would like to see the club offer refunds to unhappy fans that don't see their ticket money spent wisely.
I have read little that is positive (other than from the VSC) about where we are going.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/doncaster-rovers-hoping-youth-paves-the-way-to-fame-and-fortune/

We have now sunk to 19th on the bookies site     https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-1/winner
Hardly what I would expect for what we are being told will be a top 6 position at the end of the season. 

 

If you write to the club I'm sure they'll refund you for whatever reason you want to have, depending on how many matches are still left on the season ticket. Knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 13, 2018, 08:19:26 pm
The VSC and posters in the pockets of the club can say what they want but the wider world knows better. Of course the VSC will say "everyone everywhere is talking b*llocks and got it wrong".
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 08:22:08 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.

OK so you are saying Hoden is lying then fair enough.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 13, 2018, 08:22:39 pm
Glyn do you ever get tired of constantly arguing? You feel you have to respond to every post on here. As WUMs go you are a master.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:22:50 pm
The VSC and posters in the pockets of the club can say what they want but the wider world knows better. Of course the VSC will say "everyone everywhere is talking b*llocks and got it wrong".

You can say what you want as well.

And we're just as entitled to laugh at it if we want to.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 13, 2018, 08:24:03 pm
Cantley, you should know that everyone, everywhere is a liar except the VSC and DROS. So say the VSC.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:25:04 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.

OK so you are saying Hoden is lying then fair enough.

Putting words in my mouth isn't fair enough but it's obviously your stock in trade to justify what you say.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:25:50 pm
Cantley, you should know that everyone, everywhere is a liar except the VSC and DROS. So say the VSC.

No-one's forcing you to stay. You must enjoy being a WUM too much.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 13, 2018, 08:27:17 pm
This ought to be the Glyn_Wigley site not a Doncaster Rovers fan site.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:28:28 pm
Fame at last
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 08:30:20 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.

OK so you are saying Hoden is lying then fair enough.

Putting words in my mouth isn't fair enough but it's obviously your stock in trade to justify what you say.

But if you are disputing that Grant McCann said what Liam Hoden printed then obviously the only conclusion to come to is that you think he is not telling the truth ie lying.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:31:27 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.

OK so you are saying Hoden is lying then fair enough.

Putting words in my mouth isn't fair enough but it's obviously your stock in trade to justify what you say.

But if you are disputing that Grant McCann said what Liam Hoden printed then obviously the only conclusion to come to is that you think he is not telling the truth ie lying.

So he couldn't be mistaken at all then?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 13, 2018, 08:34:34 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.

OK so you are saying Hoden is lying then fair enough.

Putting words in my mouth isn't fair enough but it's obviously your stock in trade to justify what you say.

But if you are disputing that Grant McCann said what Liam Hoden printed then obviously the only conclusion to come to is that you think he is not telling the truth ie lying.

So he couldn't be mistaken at all then?

Come on you can do better than that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2018, 08:35:24 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

My interpretation is that he must have been on drugs if he’d be satisfied with that!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 13, 2018, 08:36:49 pm
McCann admits he would be satisfied with his lot in the transfer market.

Which comes after the first three paragraphs which talks about the signing of Crawford and Wilks and maybe Taylor.

Interpretation?

And where does McCann admit it in the interview? It's Hoden's words again, not McCann's.

OK so you are saying Hoden is lying then fair enough.

Putting words in my mouth isn't fair enough but it's obviously your stock in trade to justify what you say.

But if you are disputing that Grant McCann said what Liam Hoden printed then obviously the only conclusion to come to is that you think he is not telling the truth ie lying.

So he couldn't be mistaken at all then?

Come on you can do better than that.

I don't need to, Hoden does. It's his article that's caused this. Apparently he uses twitter a lot, why don't you go and ask him yourself?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Barmby Rover on July 13, 2018, 08:40:28 pm
Apparently McCann is now finished in the transfer market, so we have a youth team player from Leeds and a Scottish midfielder to add to the squad that finished a relatively comfortable lower mid-table last season. So where is the vast improvement going to come from to "push for the top 6"? I can't see it myself. I wish I could be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: vaya on July 13, 2018, 09:00:25 pm
The VSC and posters in the pockets of the club can say what they want but the wider world knows better. Of course the VSC will say "everyone everywhere is talking b*llocks and got it wrong".

Ahh. We got there finally.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Retdon1 on July 13, 2018, 10:48:05 pm
Apparently McCann is now finished in the transfer market, so we have a youth team player from Leeds and a Scottish midfielder to add to the squad that finished a relatively comfortable lower mid-table last season. So where is the vast improvement going to come from to "push for the top 6"? I can't see it myself. I wish I could be proved wrong.

This
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on July 13, 2018, 10:55:34 pm
Apparently McCann is now finished in the transfer market, so we have a youth team player from Leeds and a Scottish midfielder to add to the squad that finished a relatively comfortable lower mid-table last season. So where is the vast improvement going to come from to "push for the top 6"? I can't see it myself. I wish I could be proved wrong.

I like to think we could improve from last season without any new players i think fergie ever got the best out of the lads but top 6 will be too much for sure. Kind of feel like we shot ourselves in the foot by going public with that.

I don't really believe we're all done in transfers wouldn't be surprised if we hold out till deadline day to get better value if its out there 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 13, 2018, 11:04:01 pm
Unless, of course, by then they've all signed for other teams.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 13, 2018, 11:27:31 pm
At this moment we have no idea whether McCann is better or worse than Ferguson only time will tell, but we shouldn't assume he is better. Ferguson was not sacked he resigned out of despair with where the club is going and we can all see why. I don't understand why there is not more money in the coffers this year. Have we massively undersold season tickets or what? I don't remember having such severe issues in the last several years. We normally make what we can consider reasonable signings most summers.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 13, 2018, 11:31:22 pm
A serious lack of ambition and More interested in club Doncaster that’s the problem
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 14, 2018, 09:59:16 am
A serious lack of ambition and More interested in club Doncaster that’s the problem

Good if they're interested in something (Club Doncaster) that'll increase our transfer budget.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Rovers Return on July 14, 2018, 10:30:41 am
At this moment we have no idea whether McCann is better or worse than Ferguson only time will tell, but we shouldn't assume he is better. Ferguson was not sacked he resigned out of despair with where the club is going and we can all see why. I don't understand why there is not more money in the coffers this year. Have we massively undersold season tickets or what? I don't remember having such severe issues in the last several years. We normally make what we can consider reasonable signings most summers.

He should of been sacked from despair! My frigging despair and thousands of others having watched months of shite, clueless football. I was at my lowest ebb for years with what was served up from Ferguson. Clueless! More than one way to skin a cat and I for one thank the board for that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Boomstick on July 14, 2018, 10:35:55 am
A serious lack of ambition and More interested in club Doncaster that’s the problem

Good if they're interested in something (Club Doncaster) that'll increase our transfer budget.
how ?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Michael Shaw on July 14, 2018, 10:39:23 am
I did say we have no idea whether McCann is better. That's a fact as we haven't even had one real game yet.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 14, 2018, 10:43:24 am
A serious lack of ambition and More interested in club Doncaster that’s the problem

Good if they're interested in something (Club Doncaster) that'll increase our transfer budget.
how ?

Have a look at what SCMP is. Then have a think about how an umbrella business helps us with SCMP x.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Rovers Return on July 14, 2018, 10:55:59 am
A serious lack of ambition and More interested in club Doncaster that’s the problem

Good if they're interested in something (Club Doncaster) that'll increase our transfer budget.
how ?

Because ClubDoncaster actually makes money
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: raggytash on July 14, 2018, 12:01:03 pm
If club Doncaster is doing that well why are we signing kids, people who’ve played 14 games in 18 month and giving trials to overweight players who like a drink with suspendedprison sentences???? I’ve heard a solid rumour but I won’t put it on here, if it’s right then there’s a cash flow issue, might be temporary or permanent, but until the powers that be say something I can’t comment and I won’t...
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Boomstick on July 14, 2018, 12:02:29 pm
A serious lack of ambition and More interested in club Doncaster that’s the problem

Good if they're interested in something (Club Doncaster) that'll increase our transfer budget.
how ?

Because ClubDoncaster actually makes money
like I said, how ?
genuine question
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: raggytash on July 14, 2018, 12:16:23 pm
Lol, I agree mate, there’s something amiss I think I know the answer and SM will definitely know.... but I’m not putting it on, it’s upto the board and Baldwin to make a statement,
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 14, 2018, 12:20:13 pm
If club Doncaster is doing that well why are we signing kids, people who’ve played 14 games in 18 month and giving trials to overweight players who like a drink with suspendedprison sentences???? I’ve heard a solid rumour but I won’t put it on here, if it’s right then there’s a cash flow issue, might be temporary or permanent, but until the powers that be say something I can’t comment and I won’t...

There's definitely no cash flow issue. I'd send that rumour back to where you got it from.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 14, 2018, 12:54:16 pm
Lol, I agree mate, there’s something amiss I think I know the answer and SM will definitely know.... but I’m not putting it on, it’s upto the board and Baldwin to make a statement,

Why on earth do you feel we as fans are entitled to know the intimate financial details of the club? Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: bpoolrover on July 14, 2018, 01:51:52 pm
We're a small club yes we averaged around 8k but at a guess a lot were the cheaper kids tickets which is good for the future, while everyone would love the owners to put 5 million of there own money in each year it's just not going to happen,the seasons not started yet and people are already being defeatist
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 14, 2018, 02:41:39 pm
Lol, I agree mate, there’s something amiss I think I know the answer and SM will definitely know.... but I’m not putting it on, it’s upto the board and Baldwin to make a statement,

A statement about what?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 14, 2018, 02:57:03 pm
 I am not defeatist in any way, we have the basis of a good young side, the kid from Scotland looks a good acquisition, some good players have come down from there, especially midfielders,  Talking to the guy who coaches at Leeds in the pub ,he says they have high hopes for Wilkes.
  I hope we get a couple more in like everyone else, but the main thing I hope is that the ones we retained step up to the plate, a 10% improvement in fitness and competitiveness should  be their aim.
  We were lightweight and bullied physically in the first half of last season, being a young side, but got markedly more savvy in the second half of the season, we need to carry on improving in that side of the game.
   The goals for are the problem, and we may have to rely on players on loan, or new to the club to improve in that area.
   There is no reason why we cannot be the fittest  team in the division, and as supporters we should be demanding it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: PDX_Rover on July 14, 2018, 03:21:22 pm
If club Doncaster is doing that well why are we signing kids, people who’ve played 14 games in 18 month and giving trials to overweight players who like a drink with suspendedprison sentences???? I’ve heard a solid rumour but I won’t put it on here, if it’s right then there’s a cash flow issue, might be temporary or permanent, but until the powers that be say something I can’t comment and I won’t...

How can you have a solid rumour?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 14, 2018, 03:52:53 pm
If club Doncaster is doing that well why are we signing kids, people who’ve played 14 games in 18 month and giving trials to overweight players who like a drink with suspendedprison sentences???? I’ve heard a solid rumour but I won’t put it on here, if it’s right then there’s a cash flow issue, might be temporary or permanent, but until the powers that be say something I can’t comment and I won’t...

How can you have a solid rumour?
well you can have solid shits or runny shits, but at the end of the day they're still shits 😀😀😀
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 14, 2018, 04:08:35 pm
If club Doncaster is doing that well why are we signing kids, people who’ve played 14 games in 18 month and giving trials to overweight players who like a drink with suspendedprison sentences???? I’ve heard a solid rumour but I won’t put it on here, if it’s right then there’s a cash flow issue, might be temporary or permanent, but until the powers that be say something I can’t comment and I won’t...


How can you have a solid rumour?

Between his ears.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: scawsby steve on July 14, 2018, 05:12:49 pm
If club Doncaster is doing that well why are we signing kids, people who’ve played 14 games in 18 month and giving trials to overweight players who like a drink with suspendedprison sentences???? I’ve heard a solid rumour but I won’t put it on here, if it’s right then there’s a cash flow issue, might be temporary or permanent, but until the powers that be say something I can’t comment and I won’t...

How can you have a solid rumour?
well you can have solid shits or runny shits, but at the end of the day they're still shits 😀😀😀

The runny shits are the worse; and you don't even know until you take your bike clips off.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 14, 2018, 05:44:24 pm
There is little to argue about here really.

Even at our current rate of spending we make a loss each season of well over a million quid. Up to two million I recall.

Someone has to foot that bill otherwise we have to either reduce expenditure or find new miraculous income. Note also that even at height of Championship success we rarely filled the stadium. If ever.

So we need a plan that involves either the owners continuining to give away millions of their money with no hope of ever seeing this (note that this is millions, not thousands or even tens or hundreds of thousands but millions) or try over a period to get the club on a footing where it can more or less pay for itself.

To do this we either find more supporters willing to pay lots more money, or we cut expenditure massively (we would basically be cutting wage bill in half to recoup that million or so quid) or do what owners are doing and trying to find some contribution from commercial income and a ‘develop and sell’ model.

So what we are talking about here is how we make the best use of the budget we have - there is no question of talking about a bigger budget from the pockets of our owners. It ain’t going to happen and nor should it!

The manager needs to identify players that can take us forward and then like Marquis no doubt, be sold for a load of money.

Just so long as we don’t get treated to some of the utter dross of last season under Ferguson.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 14, 2018, 06:04:18 pm
There is little to argue about here really.

Even at our current rate of spending we make a loss each season of well over a million quid. Up to two million I recall.

Someone has to foot that bill otherwise we have to either reduce expenditure or find new miraculous income. Note also that even at height of Championship success we rarely filled the stadium. If ever.

So we need a plan that involves either the owners continuining to give away millions of their money with no hope of ever seeing this (note that this is millions, not thousands or even tens or hundreds of thousands but millions) or try over a period to get the club on a footing where it can more or less pay for itself.

To do this we either find more supporters willing to pay lots more money, or we cut expenditure massively (we would basically be cutting wage bill in half to recoup that million or so quid) or do what owners are doing and trying to find some contribution from commercial income and a ‘develop and sell’ model.

So what we are talking about here is how we make the best use of the budget we have - there is no question of talking about a bigger budget from the pockets of our owners. It ain’t going to happen and nor should it!

The manager needs to identify players that can take us forward and then like Marquis no doubt, be sold for a load of money.

Just so long as we don’t get treated to some of the utter dross of last season under Ferguson.

Didn't I read on here that we are now in a position where we can stand on our own feet and not need the £2m input from the owners?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 14, 2018, 06:40:05 pm
Quote
There's definitely no cash flow issue.
SM, is there some sort of issue, then, as there just appears to be something not quite right. Are we hanging back with our quality signings for a reason?

Don't ask me what I'm getting at, because I have no specific idea, it's just a gut feeling I have. We don't appear to be as proactive in the market as I would have expected for a team aiming for a top 6 place this season.

Genuinely concerned as things stand.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: donyderek on July 17, 2018, 03:11:58 pm
Hasn't McCann said he's finished with the transfer market. He did. We have a team no better than last year
         Fergie new how to get out of this division, McCann doesn't. Why change, McCann is cheaper, he has a desire and willingness to play the kids, cheaper than Fergies quality players, All McCann has done is switch to 433 and we've only one strìker. He's not spent any money at all one in one out, if you look Dosnt look good to me. Personally can we really afford a championship budget. Or is it just marketing by the board,
     The board know the costs and the answer to that one.
    We need investment a take over.
               Until then we are just a football team   Too good for div2 not good enough for a top 6 div 1
 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 17, 2018, 04:39:37 pm
Hasn't McCann said he's finished with the transfer market. He did. We have a team no better than last year
         Fergie new how to get out of this division, McCann doesn't. Why change, McCann is cheaper, he has a desire and willingness to play the kids, cheaper than Fergies quality players, All McCann has done is switch to 433 and we've only one strìker. He's not spent any money at all one in one out, if you look Dosnt look good to me. Personally can we really afford a championship budget. Or is it just marketing by the board,
     The board know the costs and the answer to that one.
    We need investment a take over.
               Until then we are just a football team   Too good for div2 not good enough for a top 6 div 1
 

Yes, Fergie got us out of this league at the first time of asking.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Retdon1 on July 17, 2018, 04:55:44 pm
With Liam Hoden tweeting that having spoke to McCann were looking at adding one more striker and that’s us done... we are lacking in midfield. You can’t rely on McCullough fitness wise. We haven’t replaced houghton and to a lesser extent kongolo. We have no depth at all defensively. Where has this larger budget been spent. We have only brought in Crawford, Anderson and the lad on loan and released 5 and sent 4 loans back... that’s 3 In 9 out and we were lacking in depth last season.... makes you wonder if that’s why we kept Lund because he won’t be on much.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: mushRTID on July 17, 2018, 05:06:28 pm
With Liam Hoden tweeting that having spoke to McCann were looking at adding one more striker and that’s us done... we are lacking in midfield. You can’t rely on McCullough fitness wise. We haven’t replaced houghton and to a lesser extent kongolo. We have no depth at all defensively. Where has this larger budget been spent. We have only brought in Crawford, Anderson and the lad on loan and released 5 and sent 4 loans back... that’s 3 In 9 out and we were lacking in depth last season.... makes you wonder if that’s why we kept Lund because he won’t be on much.

If we’ve got a larger budget, and considering Williams will have been on a fair whack it surely cannot all be spent.

Maybe McCann is saving some until January when he will have had a proper look at his squad?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 17, 2018, 05:09:53 pm
All I can say is McCann better get off to a good start, or things will get hostile pretty quick, the signs don't look good at all
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Retdon1 on July 17, 2018, 05:13:05 pm
With Liam Hoden tweeting that having spoke to McCann were looking at adding one more striker and that’s us done... we are lacking in midfield. You can’t rely on McCullough fitness wise. We haven’t replaced houghton and to a lesser extent kongolo. We have no depth at all defensively. Where has this larger budget been spent. We have only brought in Crawford, Anderson and the lad on loan and released 5 and sent 4 loans back... that’s 3 In 9 out and we were lacking in depth last season.... makes you wonder if that’s why we kept Lund because he won’t be on much.

If we’ve got a larger budget, and considering Williams will have been on a fair whack it surely cannot all be spent.

Maybe McCann is saving some until January when he will have had a proper look at his squad?

I get saving some back for January but he’s not spent anything yet and we are 3-4 players short from having a decent squad and that’s before injury’s. When you consider McCullough, Andrews and Crawfords injury records the last few years I don’t understand not strengthening further.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: The Red Baron on July 17, 2018, 05:14:11 pm
There's a great opportunity to ask Grant McCann about his plans at the AGM tonight.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 17, 2018, 05:21:31 pm
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I get saving some back for January but he’s not spent anything yet and we are 3-4 players short from having a decent squad and that’s before injury’s. When you consider McCullough, Andrews and Crawfords injury records the last few years I don’t understand not strengthening further.

You can add Rowey's recent operation to that as well.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 17, 2018, 05:46:44 pm
Copps can't do 46 a season either.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 17, 2018, 06:15:23 pm
There's a great opportunity to ask Grant McCann about his plans at the AGM tonight.

Guaranteed none of the people that demand answers will bother showing up to ask.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Boomstick on July 17, 2018, 06:16:39 pm
All I can say is McCann better get off to a good start, or things will get hostile pretty quick, the signs don't look good at all
it is really concerning, i agree things will get hostile at the keepmoat if we get off to a poor start.
 just hope it won't be directed at Mcann.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 17, 2018, 06:57:04 pm
Plenty of folk will be suspicious about his Dingle ways but everyone deserves a second chance.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Rovers91 on July 17, 2018, 09:03:54 pm
I hope he's not serious about only looking to bring a striker in, we are crying out for strengthening in defence and midfield.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Not Now Kato on July 17, 2018, 09:14:37 pm
Hasn't McCann said he's finished with the transfer market. He did. We have a team no better than last year
         Fergie new how to get out of this division, McCann doesn't. Why change, McCann is cheaper, he has a desire and willingness to play the kids, cheaper than Fergies quality players, All McCann has done is switch to 433 and we've only one strìker. He's not spent any money at all one in one out, if you look Dosnt look good to me. Personally can we really afford a championship budget. Or is it just marketing by the board,
     The board know the costs and the answer to that one.
    We need investment a take over.
               Until then we are just a football team   Too good for div2 not good enough for a top 6 div 1
 


 

Yes, Fergie got us out of this league at the first time of asking.

Cruel, but fair....
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 17, 2018, 09:27:49 pm
I find the suggestion that we’re not looking to bring in any more players really really disappointing. I’ll never be one of the people that gets on the owners’ backs as I’m grateful to them for so much. But as a fan I really wanted us to have a good go this season. Personally I was disappointed that we didn’t bring Houghton in on a permanent. But to not even replace him is baffling.

I understand why McCann wouldn’t want to spend all his budget in one go. But he can hardly have touched it. We are weaker than last season and it’s so disappointing that it sounds like that won’t change.

I suppose there’s the faint hope that someone is bluffing.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 17, 2018, 09:29:49 pm
Need more central midfielders. We are in age now where ‘two up top’ doesn’t exist so can accept what we have there, but we are virtually non-existent in central midfield.

Needs more work McCann C+.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Paul Simpson on July 17, 2018, 09:37:28 pm
In all fairness to the owners it’s their money that’s being spent but personally I would have liked to have seen at least 1 proven goal scoring striker to help out Marquis who has been fantastic by the way. I realise they don’t come cheap but surely they have budgeted for willo’s spot?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 09:40:00 pm
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on July 17, 2018, 09:43:22 pm
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.

Guessing that's a few snippets from tonight's AGM. Seems reasonable. What was your impression?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 09:47:41 pm
He came across has confident manager who totally believes he the way he wants to play.
Expansive, high pressing game wants to out score other teams.
GB gave him his full backing.
Both answered the questions well even the ones I asked although I have reservations GM comes across that he hasn’t, he’s the manager.

He likes the attitude of the first year professionals who have shown up well in training.
He has  seen 13 / 14 years old training and believes the infrastructure is there and been started by DF.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Copps is Magic on July 17, 2018, 09:50:53 pm
@liamhoden
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Stand out points of note:
McCann wants a cup run and will urge Rovers to go to win the Checkatrade Trophy. “I won’t be playing a U18 side on those Tuesday nights.”
Also believes both Luke McCullough and Ben Whiteman are better than Jordan Houghton #drfc

That answers some of the points raised on here. He has put his faith in Whiteman/McCullough as the holding midfielder. Not saying he's right but he's nailed his colour to the mast.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on July 17, 2018, 09:56:13 pm
I thought Whiteman played that position really well a couple of times last season in Houghton's absence. He was one of a number of players who were asked to play different positions last season and as we all thought, it's more difficult to excel if you are being moved about.

 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 17, 2018, 09:58:07 pm
Let us see what happens and a lot can change but we cannot seriously go through a season with Luke and Whiteman as our only central midfielders.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 09:59:29 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: mushRTID on July 17, 2018, 10:02:04 pm
Didnt rate Whiteman defensively, too slow to close people down and it led to a fair few goals from memory.

He’s also our best finisher from outside the box. These comments concern me.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 17, 2018, 10:02:44 pm
Christ. Whiteman is best used when he's allowed to push on. He's not a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 17, 2018, 10:03:13 pm
Number, variety and capability all low I am afraid. Was our weakness last season and unaddressed this close season thus far - lot can change mind.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Copps is Magic on July 17, 2018, 10:04:37 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.

Aye, yeah, that's the ideal isn't it? But in reality no team plays like that.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 10:06:22 pm
Number, variety and capability all low I am afraid. Was our weakness last season and unaddressed this close season thus far - lot can change mind.

Nothing said tonight like that but I wouldn’t be surprised if things changed we will have wait and see before Aug 4th or even 9th.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 17, 2018, 10:11:25 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.

Aye, yeah, that's the ideal isn't it? But in reality no team plays like that.

At least we'll know Marquis has been TOLD to drop as deep as the centre halfs (halves?) next season... :laugh:
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 17, 2018, 10:15:56 pm
I guess in a 433 he has options but is there depth given he has.just one brought in and two going out?I can see why he's after a forward first. Lose Marquis and we are stuffed.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 10:17:11 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.

Aye, yeah, that's the ideal isn't it? But in reality no team plays like that.

At least we'll know Marquis has been TOLD to drop as deep as the centre halfs (halves?) next season... :laugh:

See we’re joking but what was said he expects 4/5 players in the opposition box  when we are attacking even one full back.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 17, 2018, 10:19:01 pm
I’m hoping for big things from Whiteman this season. He’s a good player and if he’s allowed to express himself a bit more and break forward then I think he’ll get goals from midfield. But we need more strength in there alongside him. There’s only McCullough and that just isn’t enough.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 10:19:46 pm
I guess in a 433 he has options but is there depth given he has.just one brought in and two going out?I can see why he's after a forward first. Lose Marquis and we are stuffed.
According to GB that will not happen. We will not be left in the lurch.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 17, 2018, 10:21:28 pm
Not impressed so far.

For an ex midfield player, of some repute, to say he's not looking for midfield players is either a) bluffing, or b) deluded, or c) a mixture of a and b.

Not long left to ensure the answer is a.

Here's hoping, with a capital H.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 17, 2018, 10:23:58 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.

Aye, yeah, that's the ideal isn't it? But in reality no team plays like that.

At least we'll know Marquis has been TOLD to drop as deep as the centre halfs (halves?) next season... :laugh:

See we’re joking but what was said he expects 4/5 players in the opposition box  when we are attacking even one full back.

That sounds terrifying. It'll either be thrilling or an absolute, unmitigated disaster.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Rovers91 on July 17, 2018, 10:25:37 pm
Christ. Whiteman is best used when he's allowed to push on. He's not a defensive midfielder.

Hope I'm wrong but sounds like it might be another Fergie with names into a hat for who's playing where.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 17, 2018, 10:28:37 pm
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That sounds terrifying. It'll either be thrilling or an absolute, unmitigated disaster.

Did he miss the Walsall game when he said he'd watched all our games. We'll be counter-attacked to death!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 10:32:19 pm
Christ. Whiteman is best used when he's allowed to push on. He's not a defensive midfielder.

Hope I'm wrong but sounds like it might be another Fergie with names into a hat for who's playing where.

You are wrong he knows who going to be playing where and the players know that to and their roles in the team.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 10:33:27 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.

Aye, yeah, that's the ideal isn't it? But in reality no team plays like that.

At least we'll know Marquis has been TOLD to drop as deep as the centre halfs (halves?) next season... :laugh:

See we’re joking but what was said he expects 4/5 players in the opposition box  when we are attacking even one full back.

That sounds terrifying. It'll either be thrilling or an absolute, unmitigated disaster.
He intends out score the opposition.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 17, 2018, 10:34:42 pm
Not impressed so far.

For an ex midfield player, of some repute, to say he's not looking for midfield players is either a) bluffing, or b) deluded, or c) a mixture of a and b.

Not long left to ensure the answer is a.

Here's hoping, with a capital H.

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RoversAlias on July 17, 2018, 10:42:05 pm
Don’t think it will be one or the other and I don’t believe what I heard that it will strictly be a holding player role. They will attack together and all will defend together, his words.

Aye, yeah, that's the ideal isn't it? But in reality no team plays like that.

At least we'll know Marquis has been TOLD to drop as deep as the centre halfs (halves?) next season... :laugh:

See we’re joking but what was said he expects 4/5 players in the opposition box  when we are attacking even one full back.

That sounds terrifying. It'll either be thrilling or an absolute, unmitigated disaster.
He intends out score the opposition.

I mean, that right there is the whole point of football so I should hope that is his first aim.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 17, 2018, 10:51:40 pm
Something is not adding up and it's only just dawned on me, let me explain:

Steve@dcfd wrote -
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Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.

but then he also wrote -

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He is happy with the midfield players he has.

So, in summary, yes, he's happy with the midfield players he has (he's hardly likely to say he's unhappy) but if he could get Grant (or someone similar) he'd go and get him. That says to me, we haven't quite finished, yet!

Small crumb, I know, but that gives me hope that we are not done in the market for a midfielder - anyone care to correct or agree with me?

Also, good news (sort of) that the Bristol lad is not over by any means and it looks like it's a health issue (understandable) that's holding things up. Can't be too careful, as we know with Kiwomya last season.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 17, 2018, 10:54:50 pm
Well, you can be happy with what you've got but still want to improve. Like, I'm happy with the way I've got all my shite set up in my house, but if something else came along that I liked the look of, I'd be looking into it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dknward2 on July 17, 2018, 11:27:08 pm
Think that's a perfect summary happy with how we are but if a player comes up that's right for us and return on investment is right then he will go for it
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Akinfenwa on July 18, 2018, 12:31:44 am
Capable of finishing in the top 6, really? Based on what exactly? Saying it enough times and believing it hard enough?

The team struggled last season and finished 15th. In terms of what the club seem to think is possible this year, we were way off the pace in both depth and quality.

Have we strengthened the team significantly since? No. Actually there's a fair case that we've not even replaced what we had.

Does the manager's record suggest that he's any more capable than the last one? No, not yet anyway.

These people must be on a different planet to everyone else if they think we have the tools to challenge for the top 6! It just doesn't add up at all.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 18, 2018, 02:33:07 am
Look at the money saved this summer on wages and tell me the budget has gone up how can it of gone up with what we’ve shipped out and brought in so far
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Jonathan on July 18, 2018, 06:21:51 am
Look at the money saved this summer on wages and tell me the budget has gone up how can it of gone up with what we’ve shipped out and brought in so far

The budget can have increased. It may have gone up significantly for all we know. But I would expect that actual expenditure is currently projected to decrease based on the squad we have in place at this point in time.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: NickDRFC on July 18, 2018, 07:07:36 am
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.

So we WERE in for Anthony Grant? What happened to the previous denials by the board that the Peterborough lot were making it up?

This isn’t a dig at the board, by the way, it’s a genuine question as to why there was such a strong denial on here on behalf of the board when evidently we had been interested.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 18, 2018, 07:24:23 am
What the hell does gavin Baldwin know about a budget for a top 6 finish im amazed at the garbage this man talks on a repeated basis
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 18, 2018, 07:36:36 am
What the hell does gavin Baldwin know about a budget for a top 6 finish im amazed at the garbage this man talks on a repeated basis

Well you know all about talking rubbish x
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: mpc123 on July 18, 2018, 07:43:25 am
Capable of finishing in the top 6, really? Based on what exactly? Saying it enough times and believing it hard enough?

The team struggled last season and finished 15th. In terms of what the club seem to think is possible this year, we were way off the pace in both depth and quality.

Have we strengthened the team significantly since? No. Actually there's a fair case that we've not even replaced what we had.

Does the manager's record suggest that he's any more capable than the last one? No, not yet anyway.

These people must be on a different planet to everyone else if they think we have the tools to challenge for the top 6! It just doesn't add up at all.

A change from 3 5 2 to 4 3 3 for this set of players could make a massive difference. The new players bring pace in forward position, what we didn't have last year.

Like most people I think we need a strong CM to complete what we have in midfield for the formation.

What the hell does gavin Baldwin know about a budget for a top 6 finish im amazed at the garbage this man talks on a repeated basis

GM has already said the budget is high for this league, so what's the problem with believing it and why wouldn't you believe apart from just not wanting to
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alickismyhero on July 18, 2018, 07:47:29 am
Selby,
I am pleased that the club will receive a payment if Mandy progresses on because I think he will with the right manager. I think these highlights of Morecambe v Bolton shows he has still got what it takes and will in the near future add money to our budget for players its a pity he still not here.

https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2018/july/highlights-bolton-wanderers-0-0-morecambe/
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 18, 2018, 08:13:35 am
Selby,
I am pleased that the club will receive a payment if Mandy progresses on because I think he will with the right manager. I think these highlights of Morecambe v Bolton shows he has still got what it takes and will in the near future add money to our budget for players its a pity he still not here.

https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2018/july/highlights-bolton-wanderers-0-0-morecambe/

He looks bulkier.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 08:30:43 am
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.

So we WERE in for Anthony Grant? What happened to the previous denials by the board that the Peterborough lot were making it up?

This isn’t a dig at the board, by the way, it’s a genuine question as to why there was such a strong denial on here on behalf of the board when evidently we had been interested.

I think there's a misunderstanding here.

As I've said before Peterborough approached somebody in the club enquiring about Marquis and  wanted to offload Grant as part of that package. The club let Peterborough know that Marquis was not for sale. At no time did the club receive a bid for Marquis and we didn't enquire about Grant, officially.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 18, 2018, 08:36:23 am
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.

So we WERE in for Anthony Grant? What happened to the previous denials by the board that the Peterborough lot were making it up?

This isn’t a dig at the board, by the way, it’s a genuine question as to why there was such a strong denial on here on behalf of the board when evidently we had been interested.

I think there's a misunderstanding here.

As I've said before Peterborough approached somebody in the club enquiring about Marquis and  wanted to offload Grant as part of that package. The club let Peterborough know that Marquis was not for sale. At no time did the club receive a bid for Marquis and we didn't enquire about Grant, officially.


Unofficially then as I stated it will have been the other day. You initially said we weren’t interested and they tried to force him on to us then declared their owner was making things up when he made a statement about the matter. 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 18, 2018, 08:40:08 am
What the hell does gavin Baldwin know about a budget for a top 6 finish im amazed at the garbage this man talks on a repeated basis

I trust you went  last night to put your opinion of him to him?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: since-1969 on July 18, 2018, 08:45:34 am
Capable of finishing in the top 6, really? Based on what exactly? Saying it enough times and believing it hard enough?

The team struggled last season and finished 15th. In terms of what the club seem to think is possible this year, we were way off the pace in both depth and quality.

Have we strengthened the team significantly since? No. Actually there's a fair case that we've not even replaced what we had.

Does the manager's record suggest that he's any more capable than the last one? No, not yet anyway.

These people must be on a different planet to everyone else if they think we have the tools to challenge for the top 6! It just doesn't add up at all.
Your correct it’s mainly the same team who threw away a L2 Champions position lost too many games from winning positions also and when you add in the possible transfer of Marquis our ONLY decent striker we’ve had for years . The ambition for the future is being done on the ‘Pay as you Go ‘ basis and i believe  illustrates lack of REAL investment in the new regime.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 08:54:33 am
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.

So we WERE in for Anthony Grant? What happened to the previous denials by the board that the Peterborough lot were making it up?

This isn’t a dig at the board, by the way, it’s a genuine question as to why there was such a strong denial on here on behalf of the board when evidently we had been interested.

I think there's a misunderstanding here.

As I've said before Peterborough approached somebody in the club enquiring about Marquis and  wanted to offload Grant as part of that package. The club let Peterborough know that Marquis was not for sale. At no time did the club receive a bid for Marquis and we didn't enquire about Grant, officially.


Unofficially then as I stated it will have been the other day. You initially said we weren’t interested and they tried to force him on to us then declared their owner was making things up when he made a statement about the matter. 

And that still remains the same. We never enquired about Grant. They wanted to include him in a deal for Marquis who isn't for sale. No official bids or enquiries were made. So, how can we have not been able to match their asking price, which was the original quote from Peterborough, if we didn't want him as part of a deal?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: steve@dcfd on July 18, 2018, 09:00:42 am
GM is looking for a forward player.
He is happy with the midfield players he has.
Wanted AG but Peterborough want to much money.
Resources are their if GM feels he needs to bring in player that are better than what he has.
Both GM and GB believe they have the resources for atop six finish.
GM believes he has the players for top six finish.
Players committed to the way he wants to play.
JM not for sale don’t need or want to sell him.
ML kept because he will challenge NM.

So we WERE in for Anthony Grant? What happened to the previous denials by the board that the Peterborough lot were making it up?

This isn’t a dig at the board, by the way, it’s a genuine question as to why there was such a strong denial on here on behalf of the board when evidently we had been interested.

I think there's a misunderstanding here.

As I've said before Peterborough approached somebody in the club enquiring about Marquis and  wanted to offload Grant as part of that package. The club let Peterborough know that Marquis was not for sale. At no time did the club receive a bid for Marquis and we didn't enquire about Grant, officially.


Unofficially then as I stated it will have been the other day. You initially said we weren’t interested and they tried to force him on to us then declared their owner was making things up when he made a statement about the matter. 

And that still remains the same. We never enquired about Grant. They wanted to include him in a deal for Marquis who isn't for sale. No official bids or enquiries were made. So, how can we have not been able to match their asking price, which was the original quote from Peterborough, if we didn't want him as part of a deal?

SM I have PM you on what was said last night by GM and GB.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 09:08:00 am
What was said?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 18, 2018, 09:20:48 am
What was said?

The information must be too compromising to put in the public domain!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 18, 2018, 09:25:35 am
What was said?

The information must be too compromising to put in the public domain!

It was said in a public meeting was n't it?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 09:40:40 am
What was said?

The information must be too compromising to put in the public domain!

It was said in a public meeting was n't it?

Seems a bit strange that it’s being discussed via private messages rather than on the forum though doesn’t it?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 18, 2018, 10:15:36 am
  Grant was specific on this matter, he said that the price Peterborough was asking was above HIS valuation for a player they do not want, and at his age.
   Yes he likes him and considers him a good player, he hinted that, yes he would be interested in the player at the right price, but not at the price being asked.
   He also said he was happy with his options with Whiteman and McCullough in that area, and mentioned Houghton from last season, but considers McCullough a better player than Houghton.
  I think some of the keyboard warriors would be better served getting to a meeting ( there is another on Thursday evening), and instead of drawing conclusions that do not exist, and commenting on half truths on here, or even making things up, they will be able to listen to the answers, ask their own questions, as at the meetings I have attended every question asked has received  a comprehensive answer.   
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 18, 2018, 10:30:39 am
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 01:11:39 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on July 18, 2018, 01:17:12 pm
McCann said at last night's meeting that if Grant was available at the right price he would drive there to pick him up himself.
He also said he had received two bids for Marquis and Baldwin also said he had received an offer from a Scottish club for him.
As Filo said it was a public meeting so why shouldn't people know?
 
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Lifelong supporter on July 18, 2018, 01:19:43 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

Yes, he really underperformed when we won promotion didn't he?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: GazLaz on July 18, 2018, 01:20:49 pm
McCann said at last night's meeting that if Grant was available at the right price he would drive there to pick him up himself.
He also said he had received two bids for Marquis and Baldwin also said he had received an offer from a Scottish club for him.
As Filo said it was a public meeting so why shouldn't people know?
 

It doesn’t matter what McCann says it’s what SM says that matters!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 01:22:10 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

Yes, he really underperformed when we won promotion didn't he?

Towards the end of the season most definitely.

Last season, (all of it) most definitely.


Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 01:23:41 pm
McCann said at last night's meeting that if Grant was available at the right price he would drive there to pick him up himself.
He also said he had received two bids for Marquis and Baldwin also said he had received an offer from a Scottish club for him.
As Filo said it was a public meeting so why shouldn't people know?
 

It doesn’t matter what McCann says it’s what SM says that matters!

What is your point Gaz? I report back what the club tell me, is that not OK for you?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Akinfenwa on July 18, 2018, 01:34:48 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

If DF was that bad then why did the board plan for him to remain in his position?

And what about McCann's track record suggests he's going to be any better?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 01:36:05 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

If DF was that bad then why did the board plan for him to remain in his position?

And what about McCann's track record suggests he's going to be any better?

Its a personal opinion.

A typical example of why I'm not allowed to express myself, and try hard not to, on this message board.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 02:15:34 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

Yes, he really underperformed when we won promotion didn't he?

Towards the end of the season most definitely.

Last season, (all of it) most definitely.




Yet Gavin came out and said how pleased they were with last season and the progress we’ve made.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 02:24:19 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

Yes, he really underperformed when we won promotion didn't he?

Towards the end of the season most definitely.

Last season, (all of it) most definitely.




Yet Gavin came out and said how pleased they were with last season and the progress we’ve made.

It was a personal opinion, as I've already pointed out on this thread. It has nothing to do with GB.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Akinfenwa on July 18, 2018, 02:25:18 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

If DF was that bad then why did the board plan for him to remain in his position?

And what about McCann's track record suggests he's going to be any better?

Its a personal opinion.

A typical example of why I'm not allowed to express myself, and try hard not to, on this message board.


No. They are questions to you.

(Or to anyone else who holds the view that the club's top 6 ambitions are now credible because we've changed manager)
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Pancho Regan on July 18, 2018, 02:42:22 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

If DF was that bad then why did the board plan for him to remain in his position?

And what about McCann's track record suggests he's going to be any better?

Its a personal opinion.

A typical example of why I'm not allowed to express myself, and try hard not to, on this message board.

Well said SM.

I sympathise with you - you're in an impossible position on here.
We can all throw opinions around, some of which are complete b******s (in my opinion!) but every word you utter is taken to be an official statement by the Club and is jumped upon and picked apart.

Maybe you'll have to put IMHO after every post which expresses your personal view!

Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 18, 2018, 11:15:36 pm
If we have a budget (as has been pointed out this has been factually confirmed in EFL filings) that is in top 7 then damn right we should be expecting whoever is manager to be pushing for playoffs!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 11:26:05 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

There won’t be many clubs that have supporters who believe they underachieved while gaining the most comfortable promotion probably in their history
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 18, 2018, 11:26:57 pm
  Since 1969, have you considered that it  was our manager that underperformed with the players at his disposal.
  I think he did in three consecutive seasons.

Nail. On. Head.

If DF was that bad then why did the board plan for him to remain in his position?

And what about McCann's track record suggests he's going to be any better?

Its a personal opinion.

A typical example of why I'm not allowed to express myself, and try hard not to, on this message board.

Well said SM.

I sympathise with you - you're in an impossible position on here.
We can all throw opinions around, some of which are complete b******s (in my opinion!) but every word you utter is taken to be an official statement by the Club and is jumped upon and picked apart.

Maybe you'll have to put IMHO after every post which expresses your personal view!



I respect SM and realise the difficulty he faces doing an almost impossible job trying to appease people on this forum. It's a pity we haven't got a Chairman who could take a bit of the pressure off him.

Who is our Chairman, by the way?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: northern soul on July 19, 2018, 12:29:14 am
Do you know what.

Is take finishing in exactly the same league position next year, IF we have more entertainment on the pitch. The football played over the last few years has been largely dreadful with only brief spells of enjoyable football, and yes that does include the promotion season.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 19, 2018, 12:44:04 am
I agree. Our football has been generally shite since we relinquished the 'Arsenal of the North' tag several years ago when we were spoilt watching SOD's style of play. Mind you, we scored the greatest televised Rovers goal ever when Billy Sharp scored at Bellend road when Dickov was manager.

since then, our style of football has basically declined.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on July 19, 2018, 09:07:57 am
The ingredients for good football remain the same. Moving the ball from back to front with purpose, good movement, creation of space to make openings and the ability to score goals. We don't have to pass the ball 25 times to get from a to b. We all know the pet hates of hit and hope hoofball.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 19, 2018, 10:01:10 am
 The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: hoolahoop on July 19, 2018, 10:26:15 am
If we have a budget (as has been pointed out this has been factually confirmed in EFL filings) that is in top 7 then damn right we should be expecting whoever is manager to be pushing for playoffs!
The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?

Wow that is harsh Selby. Fairly accurate however did he shag your wife / girlfriend etc. ? Good job he didnt need a reference from you . Lol
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 19, 2018, 11:19:40 am
Hoola, I say what I think, whether I am right or wrong I have an opinion, and I respect other people who do not agree with me, and know that many will not, and fair does.
  But the constant harping on about budgets, having a go at a manager before even a ball is kicked in anger is getting tiresome, and most make a statement without explaining why they make it, or how we could do something to put it right.
  Some seem to think having the last post on a thread makes them right and will carry on arguing without substance time after time just stating the same point.
   Just saying a player or other subject is s**t is not a debate even if they are right, if people say why, I am interested, and may even agree, or god forbid even change my mind, but a couple reposting each others posts in long lists turns me off sorry.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: selby on July 19, 2018, 11:24:59 am
Hoola in answer to your question, my wife has had the best for 50 years why change now. She is far too good for him anyway.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: idler on July 19, 2018, 11:39:00 am
 quote author=selby link=topic=266636.msg790978#msg790978 date=1531995899]
Hoola in answer to your question, my wife has had the best for 50 years why change now. She is far too good for him anyway.
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But I've only known her 20 years Selby. ;)
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: CottyRover on July 19, 2018, 11:44:49 am
Selby, thank you for your assessment of the Ferguson years. This is what an exile like me comes on this site for. I have heard others criticise his man management skills but this is the first time I've seen anything to back it up. I appreciate it is your opinion but it seems a fair assessment to me.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Barmby Rover on July 19, 2018, 01:13:32 pm
I have grave suspicions of any manager that takes one of his old mates on when it is obvious he is not fit and has massive personal problems. Very laudable as a way of helping another human being, but this is not a business that can support that sort of expenditure, or so we are lead to believe by the board. We are to put up with youngsters and mates for our new signings? A familiar story at Rovers.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on July 19, 2018, 01:23:54 pm
Well given the geezer was on trial, then there's no expenditure to worry about. McCann has obviously weighed up the risk and thinks it's worth a try. Even then, if he does earn a contract, I doubt he'll be a top earner. Plus, from what we understand, there are other irons in the fire on the forward front, so I don't think we're relying on Taylor getting fit.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ravenrover on July 19, 2018, 01:26:59 pm
The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?
You won't believe this Selby we agree, all though we will probably disagree about the identity of some he chose to ignore😊
Only this morning my wife and I were talking about this in the car, yes she has followed Rovers longer than me from way back in the 60's, and we came to the same conclusion . Good organiser, poor man manager and not the greatest team manager on the pitch. In addition to his bad early habit of blaming the players if things hadn't gone well what did it for me was the home game, can't remember who it was, when he sat and sulked in the dugout for the last 10-15mins of a game after it had all gone belly up.
You are correct petulant is probably the right word because he is after all  the son of a successful Premier manager, but that didn't make him equally sucessfull and yes we managed an easy promotion in the end but blew the title totally in a 1 horse race
Good luck to GM just hope he comes up with the goods on the field.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: The Red Baron on July 19, 2018, 01:46:55 pm
I think the game where he had the sulk was the Walsall (home) fiasco. I felt much the same as he did, although of course I am not the manager!

Interestingly enough we fell apart after he made tactical changes and took Baudry off.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 19, 2018, 01:47:11 pm
The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?

He oversaw two massive changes in fortune in his first season, as he took a side in the relegation zone upto the top 10 and then he took them from the top 10 back to the relegation zone.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: wing commander on July 19, 2018, 02:00:49 pm
    I've no reason to disbelieve the board or Gavin and accept when SM imply's the budget is bigger and that it's GM decision that barring another striker he's got enough for a challenge and happy to go with what he's got..

    Judging by what we saw last season not many of us are going to agree with him though that's for sure.Still he's the manager and the playing budget is his to control and that's fair enough

    However I certainly don't want to hear him using injuries as a excuse next season or moaning about his options because it was his decision to go this way..Time will tell and I hope he proves us all wrong..
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Alan Southstand on July 19, 2018, 02:12:33 pm
10 pages on what we think of McCann's new players and all he's signed is 1 on loan and 1 permanent, with 1 on an extended trial. To say this thread has gone completely off track is an understatement!

We could have covered the topic in question on 1 page, because, as we are presently, there's nothing much to discuss. God help us if we actually do sign a quality player or two (here's hoping).
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 19, 2018, 03:11:27 pm
The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?

He oversaw two massive changes in fortune in his first season, as he took a side in the relegation zone upto the top 10 and then he took them from the top 10 back to the relegation zone.

Aye, he took them back into the relegation zone after taking them well out of it. And if you recall you called for him to be sacked, as well.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ravenrover on July 19, 2018, 05:43:02 pm
10 pages on what we think of McCann's new players and all he's signed is 1 on loan and 1 permanent, with 1 on an extended trial. To say this thread has gone completely off track is an understatement!

We could have covered the topic in question on 1 page, because, as we are presently, there's nothing much to discuss. God help us if we actually do sign a quality player or two (here's hoping).
And you’ve just extended it😁
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 19, 2018, 06:41:03 pm
One things for sure if marquis does get sold they won’t free much up for McCann to spend on the squad
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: drfc1951 on July 19, 2018, 06:55:12 pm
One things for sure if marquis does get sold they won’t free much up for McCann to spend on the squad

You know that for a fact do you
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 19, 2018, 07:03:56 pm
So you honestly think if we got 1.5 million + that we would spend the majority on players get a grip
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 19, 2018, 07:04:42 pm
So in answer to the question no you don't know that for a fact you've just decided.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 19, 2018, 07:37:18 pm
The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?

He oversaw two massive changes in fortune in his first season, as he took a side in the relegation zone upto the top 10 and then he took them from the top 10 back to the relegation zone.

Aye, he took them back into the relegation zone after taking them well out of it. And if you recall you called for him to be sacked, as well.

I’ve just said that 🙄

And don’t just follow everything your mate says, I never called for him to be sacked at all.
I was asked if we didn’t get any points from the Easter games should he be sacked and I said yes.

Not really calling for him to be sacked is it
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 19, 2018, 07:38:09 pm
So you honestly think if we got 1.5 million + that we would spend the majority on players get a grip

Yes. Because nobody - including you - knows anything to the contrary.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Danmckay456 on July 19, 2018, 07:56:02 pm
I’d be delighted if we did invest in some players don’t get me wrong we’ve had more better players come in than bad ones over the last few seasons but the higher up you go you need some investment on players rather than untried and players who can’t perform week in week out
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: RedJ on July 19, 2018, 07:57:13 pm
The first season  he oversaw the worst change in fortune I have seen at this club. his change of tactics, his change of our attacking personal and his continual ignoring  of certain players at his disposal cost us relegation.
  In his second season he blew a championship season in the last seven games, when persisting with picking the player on loan from Everton, Mason, and Alcock who were all completely out of form, and in Alcock's case not even match fit, and his substitutions at Hartlepool when all we needed a result, not only changed 3 players, but went through a load of positional changes completely losing our shape. And again had it in publicly with certain players who were ignored.
  Last season leaving players out again, being reluctant to play Baudry when available, playing players in positions they struggle with, man management, persisting with a goalkeeper 6 ft  4ins who did not come off his line, costing us points.
  He was a great club organiser, shook the system up on the playing side from top to bottom, made many improvements at the club behind the scenes, as a team manager it is my opinion only of course, but I think he was pretty average, as a man manager again average. Of course some would respond to him, but having talked to a couple of parents of some of our younger players, he could be soul destroying, and not the person he portrayed publicly lets say.
  He had had his time here, I thank him for a promotion, for his determination to shake the club up in the background, but we should not have had to come back from relegation, and his resignation came when for the first time in three seasons he felt slighted by the board with regard to finance, the tail cannot be seen to shake the dog, so time to go.
   The question that  should be asked about the budget is, did we give him too much money for the return from his efforts compared to managers at say Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Exeter, Accrington in the time he was here? and was it a sign of petulance or even resignation he could not work without being able to splash the cash?

He oversaw two massive changes in fortune in his first season, as he took a side in the relegation zone upto the top 10 and then he took them from the top 10 back to the relegation zone.

Aye, he took them back into the relegation zone after taking them well out of it. And if you recall you called for him to be sacked, as well.

I’ve just said that 🙄

And don’t just follow everything your mate says, I never called for him to be sacked at all.
I was asked if we didn’t get any points from the Easter games should he be sacked and I said yes.

Not really calling for him to be sacked is it

Literally the same thing, considering we did get no points from Easter...
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 19, 2018, 11:34:19 pm
Answering a question is not calling for him to be sacked is it?
At the end of the season I was one of the minority that wanted him to stay and we were proven right.
The problem was people didn’t want Ferguson from day one and they couldn’t get over this throughout his tenure even when he was doing well.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Chris Black come back on July 19, 2018, 11:46:04 pm
Let’s call a spade a spade. You wanted him gone and then (which many would see as honourable) you changed your mind and then defended him to the absolute hilt.

That he was effectively sacked for underperforming budget and expectations, should not diminish your previous Damascene conversion from wanting him to go, to wanting him to stay.

Have the courage of your (first set) of convictions!
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: dickos1 on July 20, 2018, 06:37:13 am
Never wanted him gone I’m afraid.
No matter how many times you say it comrade, it doesn’t make it true.
You didn’t want him from day one and struggled to come to terms with it, hence the reason why you’ve never been able to support him for 3 years even when we were doing well.
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 20, 2018, 07:52:16 am
One things for sure if marquis does get sold they won’t free much up for McCann to spend on the squad

Are you the new Director of Finance?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 20, 2018, 08:14:11 am
One things for sure if marquis does get sold they won’t free much up for McCann to spend on the squad

Are you the new Director of Finance?

Are you the new Public Relations Director 😏
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Filo on July 20, 2018, 11:20:50 am
One things for sure if marquis does get sold they won’t free much up for McCann to spend on the squad

Are you the new Director of Finance?

Are you the new Public Relations Director 😏

No, I thought I'd made that clear the other day when you thought I was 😜
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: ravenrover on July 22, 2018, 09:25:29 pm
And now it looks like he might be looking for def mid, according to Liam Holden, but won't be held to ransome
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on July 23, 2018, 11:30:45 am
And now it looks like he might be looking for def mid, according to Liam Holden, but won't be held to ransome

Is this the same Liam Hoden whose article people held up as proving there was going to be no more transfer activity?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 23, 2018, 11:32:12 am
And now it looks like he might be looking for def mid, according to Liam Holden, but won't be held to ransome

Is this the same Liam Hoden whose article people held up as proving there was going to be no more transfer activity?

He can only report what he's told...
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 23, 2018, 11:33:58 am
And now it looks like he might be looking for def mid, according to Liam Holden, but won't be held to ransome

Is this the same Liam Hoden whose article people held up as proving there was going to be no more transfer activity?

You do know he doesn't make the news but reports what he's given?
Title: Re: Thoughts on McCann’s new players?
Post by: Cantley Rover on July 23, 2018, 11:35:29 am
And now it looks like he might be looking for def mid, according to Liam Holden, but won't be held to ransome

Is this the same Liam Hoden whose article people held up as proving there was going to be no more transfer activity?

He can only report what he's told...

Or more that some people are selective in what they want to believe.