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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 10:02:00 am
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At the risk of starting s similar post, but I can’t make light of half of that being written in there.
I just want to try and clarify a few things, not having a pop at anyone.
When Fergie left we were told he was given a bigger budget for this season but he wanted more, the players that have left that we were paying some/all the wages.
Williams, evina, etheridge, mandeville, baudry, houghton, alcock, there maybe some more I’m forgetting plus all the youngsters that have left.
We’ve replaced them so far with Anderson, Crawford, Wilks, watters.
There is no way that those 4 signings will accrue the same wages as the players that have left I imagine there’s a massive difference with players such as Williams, baudry and evina coming off the wage bill.
Yes the season hasn’t started yet but McCann has implied there will be nothing else happening, and we’re only 2 weeks away.
If this was the sort of thing being offered to Ferguson for this season then it’s obvious why he left, people can say well don’t you believe gavin etc but words don’t mean that much really when the opposite is happening in reality.
The main point is at this moment in time our wage bill will be dramatically less than it was in May, but we’ve been told our budget is bigger this season so I just want someone to explain how?
I love our board but I’m just over the last 6 months or so getting the impression we might be starting a steady decline on the amount of money we spend on players, which of course is worrying
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If it's any consolation it is the same at Spurs, and look where they are.
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If it's any consolation it is the same at Spurs, and look where they are.
Spurs paying players more than they ever have and never looked like winning anything for years.
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I’m not sure spurs have got rid of some of their biggest earners though and only signed mainly youngsters on loan to replace them with
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Fascinating season coming up. A lot of questions will be answered I think.
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Paid nowt for Harry Kane.
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Fascinating season coming up. A lot of questions will be answered I think.
At Spurs, Rovers or both?
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Paid nowt for Harry Kane.
Aye but they’ve not got rid of him and replaced him with Curtis main
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Fascinating season coming up. A lot of questions will be answered I think.
At Spurs, Rovers or both?
Us. I hope I’m wrong but I think we will really struggle.
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Answered positively or negatively, Gazlaz?
Notice Lee Glover is now part of backroom staff, replacing Wilcox.
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Back to topic though, can anyone explain to me how our budget is bigger than last season at this moment in time? Or are we just hoping more money will be spent over the next two weeks?
Surely if we start the season as we are now it would give credence to why Ferguson left.
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It's not looking good at the moment, Dickos, I have to admit. A few words from the AGM does not do it for me, I think we are still 2 or 3 quality players away from being a good league 1 side.
I've got everything crossed that things will change in the next couple of weeks, but we are leaving it very late.
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I think that the fans have every right to be a bit apprehensive at the moment.
The problem is that if we were to start the season with the current number of players and struggled the manager and board would lose a deal of credibility.
I could take it if we were told we had to reign back for financial reasons but let's have some honesty. I still can't believe that the manager and board will go just with what we have now though.
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
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I think that the fans have every right to be a bit apprehensive at the moment.
The problem is that if we were to start the season with the current number of players and struggled the manager and board would lose a deal of credibility.
I could take it if we were told we had to reign back for financial reasons but let's have some honesty. I still can't believe that the manager and board will go just with what we have now though.
They are very unlikely to come out and say that though. They have to keep making things sound positive for season ticket sales etc.
The thing I always say about football is that it hard enough being successful when you are moving forward, if you stand still or even move backwards you have no chance.
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
I agree but the manager has implied nothing else will be done. And he’s happy.
I understand the board didn’t want us to know Ferguson left because his budget has been slashed but if we started the season tomorrow then that would be the only conclusion available
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The nothing else will be done thing came from a mis quoute in an interview Hoden did. All that's been published since has suggested were looking for another forward/striker at the very least.
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
Well that's just it. Just cos the manager hasn't used it doesn't mean it isn't there. No doubt I'll get slated for this. :laugh:
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I've got to admit I'm in two minds on this one and it's rare I have a pop at the board (catering aside)..
But In the end I couldn't work out whether are players weren't as good as people thought or whether DF just wasn't getting the best of them with the systems he played,i lean towards the latter now..So that question can only be answered by GM and I think he will do well given support
That said like many others on this board have said, the summer recruitment hasn't been good enough..Gavin and SM have continually said the budget is higher yet for us the humble fan, that is more than hard to believe judging by what we have brought in so far and the apparent keenness to let us know apart from a striker there will be little else...
Their were times last year we couldn't fill a bench and we have a smaller squad and a few of them have pretty poor recent injury records..Yes there will be some of the budget left for loans later but by then we might be firefighting our league position..
I have a lot of respect for Gavin,the board and SM but they need to realise that people can only go on what they see and make there conclusions, and they can deny all day long that the budget was not why DF left and it's bigger but were we are sat right now...There is no evidence for us as fans to support that view I'm afraid...
Dickos has made a excellent post here..These are the questions that us the fans want the answers too,nobody cares on who approached who for the Posh lad,it doesn't matter one jot to me..
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
Well that's just it. Just cos the manager hasn't used it doesn't mean it isn't there. No doubt I'll get slated for this. :laugh:
No I agree with this, but the season starts in two weeks, it’s been reported in the press that McCann is happy with he squad.
But in reality we will have to sign at least 4 more players for the wage bill to be increased on last year. And I’m not sure at all that this is going to happen
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We could save thousands playing players in their right position. The spine of the team is good, a good keeper at this level, the central defenders are good , our goals against last season OK. Marquis one of the best in this division.
Mason and Danny Andrew ( who should give us the ballance missing last season) with Lund and Amos as back up are solid.
Rowe should be released to play in a more attacking position,And although I have not seen him the Scots lad I would expect to give us more creativity with Coppinger.
With McCullough and Whiteman that's not a bad setup, if the Lads from Leeds and hopefully Bristol City can provide support for Marquis, and Blair is allowed to play more advanced on the right, I think we could do something.
The back up is the question, whether some of the youngsters and fringe players can step up when needed, and score more goals than they did last season when they play.
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Point of information - we only once failed to fill the bench in a League game last season. That was when Alcock was injured in the warm up before the Southend game.
Yes, sometimes we had youngsters on the bench, but that can assist their development, so shouldn't be seen as a negative.
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I've got to admit I'm in two minds on this one and it's rare I have a pop at the board (catering aside)..
But In the end I couldn't work out whether are players weren't as good as people thought or whether DF just wasn't getting the best of them with the systems he played,i lean towards the latter now..So that question can only be answered by GM and I think he will do well given support
That said like many others on this board have said, the summer recruitment hasn't been good enough..Gavin and SM have continually said the budget is higher yet for us the humble fan, that is more than hard to believe judging by what we have brought in so far and the apparent keenness to let us know apart from a striker there will be little else...
Their were times last year we couldn't fill a bench and we have a smaller squad and a few of them have pretty poor recent injury records..Yes there will be some of the budget left for loans later but by then we might be firefighting our league position..
I have a lot of respect for Gavin,the board and SM but they need to realise that people can only go on what they see and make there conclusions, and they can deny all day long that the budget was not why DF left and it's bigger but were we are sat right now...There is no evidence for us as fans to support that view I'm afraid...
Dickos has made a excellent post here..These are the questions that us the fans want the answers too,nobody cares on who approached who for the Posh lad,it doesn't matter one jot to me..
Fergie is naturally a very attacking manager. I think he was being pragmatic last season because he didn’t have the quality of player needed to really be competitive in this division. Time will tell.
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
Well that's just it. Just cos the manager hasn't used it doesn't mean it isn't there. No doubt I'll get slated for this. :laugh:
No I agree with this, but the season starts in two weeks, it’s been reported in the press that McCann is happy with he squad.
But in reality we will have to sign at least 4 more players for the wage bill to be increased on last year. And I’m not sure at all that this is going to happen
We could sign one player and have the same wage bill as last season it depends on their wage. Personally I feel we are two players short to be competitive. A bruising centre mid (the one in the rumour mill would definitely fill that role) and another striker, I feel there is enough talent within the squad if played in the correct positions and allowed to express themselves to more than compete if we get those two extra in.
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So long as he plays folk in their actual positions and improves on that risible 8pc shot rate, the. I will be happy with top half next season. Just please no more of tombola style team sheets and ‘breakaways’ at speed of arthritic slug.
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This is not really a discussion about if a manager could do better with the same players or whether we think the manager should be doing better with these players. It’s the fact we were told the budget was bigger for this season. Quite simply if the season started tomorrow the wage bill is significantly less than last season.
If we make a couple of big signings next week then yes we can see that the budget is similar but as it is now we’re quite a long way short of what we were spending in May
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We have spent big in the past, and it has been an unmitigated disaster, Alford , Jackson anyone.
And while people seem to want us to pay the same money out in wages as we did on Williams last season, half the supporters on here did not rate him, and we had a manager who had to have thumb screws on before he picked him, in spite of how much we paid him.
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Point of information - we only once failed to fill the bench in a League game last season. That was when Alcock was injured in the warm up before the Southend game.
Yes, sometimes we had youngsters on the bench, but that can assist their development, so shouldn't be seen as a negative.
I half get your point Baron..And you are right when you say that it aids their development..However lets not forget what the main priority is and that's first team league results and position, so that has to be balanced..And their were far to many times last season when we were struggling a bit and you looked at our bench on who could change the game and there wasn't anybody..With a even smaller squad this year any type of injury issues and lets be honest for us they happen every year,we are going to be in trouble..
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We have spent big in the past, and it has been an unmitigated disaster, Alford , Jackson anyone.
And while people seem to want us to pay the same money out in wages as we did on Williams last season, half the supporters on here did not rate him, and we had a manager who had to have thumb screws on before he picked him, in spite of how much we paid him.
Maybe so but you’re missing the point. If we were told yes we’re pulling the strings in this year and Ferguson didn’t want to be a part of that then so be it
But we were told the budget is bigger this season, which lead to confusion on here why Ferguson left.
I’d have no qualms if we were cutting back on spending it’s the owners prerogative I just don’t think as fans we should be told one thing but then in reality it’s not the truth
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I'm holding out to see how it will pan out.
I think it's sensible for a manager to say publicly that they haven't got much to spend. If he said we were splashing the cash it only increases clubs' transfer fee demands and players' salary demands.
That said, if we go into the season with the squad we've got now (or even with +1 more player) I don't think it'll look stronger than last season. To get anywhere near a top half finish we'd have to pin our hopes on the manager being able to squeeze the very best out of his squad, which can't necessarily be said for the previous manager.
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If it's any consolation it is the same at Spurs, and look where they are.
How so ? What is the turn over of the two clubs £100s millions Spurs against £4/5 Millions ! Rovers .
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On evidence so far like others I am sceptical that the budget, resources are big enough or have grown from last year.
Both GB and GM when asked said the budget/ resources were atop six budget for league 1.
It was also said by GB they don’t have to sell anybody to bring new players in.
The board are there to help the manager is what was said. If the manager made a decision to bring in a player then it could happen if the player was better than what we have got and at the right price.
So we can all be sceptical but GM makes the decisions according to GB and he at the moment is looking for a forward player and nothing else is in the pipeline.
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I cant believe people are still debating the budget based on the report that GM is done, it's so old news that it was taken out of context. There is still budget left of GM decided he wants more players.
I personally believe we probably need a CM at least but currently it looks like GM doesn't think that, but has anyone really asked that question directly, the answer would be no.
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I cant believe people are still debating the budget based on the report that GM is done, it's so old news that it was taken out of context. There is still budget left of GM decided he wants more players.
I personally believe we probably need a CM at least but currently it looks like GM doesn't think that, but has anyone really asked that question directly, the answer would be no.
His answer last night was he has six players for the three in midfield and there are no plans for any more. So he did answer directly last night.
This decision has come from seeing players in training and pre season so far and after the AG scenario.
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Great thanks, well he knows more than me so I'm happy with that
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I cant believe people are still debating the budget based on the report that GM is done, it's so old news that it was taken out of context. There is still budget left of GM decided he wants more players.
I personally believe we probably need a CM at least but currently it looks like GM doesn't think that, but has anyone really asked that question directly, the answer would be no.
It’s pretty irrelevant what people say. It’s what actually happens. If McCann thinks that the squad is good enough now to challenge then he’s going to get a pretty big shock
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He watched all the games from last season, so hes based his stance on the same level of understanding as me or you.
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Well maybe he has and football is all about opinions but in my opinion with the players we currently have and the size of the squad as it is now we will struggle
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My opinion is we will improve, defensively we were ok last season, we now have Andrews back which will improve that. Going forward we weren't great.The formation change and the new players bought in with speed will also improve that.
How much improvement is yet to be seen.
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We will see won't we Dickos. Last summer we all said our defence was nowhere near good enough to cope in this league. Yet without signing a soul (since Andrew missed the whole year) we had an excellent defensive record and players we already had stepped up beyond what we thought they would. The same could happen again.
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
I agree but the manager has implied nothing else will be done. And he’s happy.
I understand the board didn’t want us to know Ferguson left because his budget has been slashed but if we started the season tomorrow then that would be the only conclusion available
You're still desperately trying to make the facts and your opinion to merge somehow.
We had this discussion when DF left about the budget, and despite what everybody from the top of the club downwards has said you still choose not to believe them. Why is your opinion the only conclusion available?
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Yes we could
But this post wasn’t really about whether our squad is good enough or not it was more about us being told the budget would be bigger this season and Ferguson hasn’t been informed the budget would be smaller which left confusion as to why he left.
Maybe they’ve changed their Stance, maybe we’re signing two players next week on decent wages but all I’m suggesting is if the season started tomorrow our wage bill would be distinctly smaller than last season
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
I agree but the manager has implied nothing else will be done. And he’s happy.
I understand the board didn’t want us to know Ferguson left because his budget has been slashed but if we started the season tomorrow then that would be the only conclusion available
You're still desperately trying to make the facts and your opinion to merge somehow.
We had this discussion when DF left about the budget, and despite what everybody from the top of the club downwards has said you still choose not to believe them. Why is your opinion the only conclusion available?
All due respect Martin but what we get told doesn’t mean that much if the opposite is what is happening.
Nobody can suggest our wage bill now is greater than it was in May.
But yes there is still time, all I’m suggesting is if we get no more signings then there is no way on earth we’ve spent the money this season that we did last.
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If we have a bigger budget than previously (which I have no reason to doubt) and we haven’t used it all yet it just means there’s plenty left in the pot.
Maybe we need to keep some back to pay a decent contribution to some good quality PL loanees once they announce their squads?
I agree but the manager has implied nothing else will be done. And he’s happy.
I understand the board didn’t want us to know Ferguson left because his budget has been slashed but if we started the season tomorrow then that would be the only conclusion available
You're still desperately trying to make the facts and your opinion to merge somehow.
We had this discussion when DF left about the budget, and despite what everybody from the top of the club downwards has said you still choose not to believe them. Why is your opinion the only conclusion available?
All due respect Martin but what we get told doesn’t mean that much if the opposite is what is happening.
Nobody can suggest our wage bill now is greater than it was in May.
But yes there is still time, all I’m suggesting is if we get no more signings then there is no way on earth we’ve spent the money this season that we did last.
But that's a different argument to the one you've just made. You've made two points;
1) The board have slashed the budget which is why DF left.
2) The wage bill (going on your estimates) proves that is the only conclusion.
Neither of the above is correct. GB and GM both stated that the budget was OK last night. Why would they try to spin anything? This club has a habit of trying to put as much into the public domain as possible and to encourage engagement with supporters by doing so.
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
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But if you still have loads left of the budget and the manager chooses not to use it all yet and possibly save the remaining until Jan, what can you do.
He is not going to spend it just to convince supporters, who feel the need to ask the question, that we actually have a bigger budget.
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.
Nothing is cut and dried.
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I'd have thought the answer to 'spin' is obvious, Martin, and has been answered - season tickets!
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I did say et al.
So even if those three players were on the same as the three that have come in they definitely aren’t by the way. Then even purely on numbers we’ve had more players leave us since May than what have joined us. And that’s irrespective of the fact that the ones leaving were on bigger wages
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I'd have thought the answer to 'spin' is obvious, Martin, and has been answered - season tickets!
Really? It' would be an underhand way of doing it, and I doubt that there's anybody currently employed by the club that would be happy to mislead the supporters in order to achieve that. I seriously think that's a shocking thing to say.
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I did say et al.
So even if those three players were on the same as the three that have come in they definitely aren’t by the way. Then even purely on numbers we’ve had more players leave us since May than what have joined us. And that’s irrespective of the fact that the ones leaving were on bigger wages
Don't doubt that. But you're comparing two different time periods, one was the end of a season and one is nearly the start of another. The budget will last for the next nine months, it has to, so it's premature to judge it right now.
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I agree it’s early
I just feel currently the wage bill is significantly less than it was last season.
And going into this season as we are wouldn’t be fair on McCann, he’d be getting slagged off almost immediately and not fair on the fans who’ve been told our budget will be greater this season.
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I agree it’s early
I just feel currently the wage bill is significantly less than it was last season.
And going into this season as we are wouldn’t be fair on McCann, he’d be getting slagged off almost immediately and not fair on the fans who’ve been told our budget will be greater this season.
But he's the one choosing where and how to spend it. When it comes to 'footballing' issues the board try not to influence him.
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It seems to have been clarified last night by Baldwin and McCann that the budget is bigger but they just haven't chosen to spend all of the available money. That's pretty simple, having a bigger budget doesn't necessarily mean spending all the money in it for the sake of it. If the manager doesn't believe he needs to spend it all right now then that's down to him.
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It seems to have been clarified last night by Baldwin and McCann that the budget is bigger but they just haven't chosen to spend all of the available money. That's pretty simple, having a bigger budget doesn't necessarily mean spending all the money in it for the sake of it. If the manager doesn't believe he needs to spend it all right now then that's down to him.
Agreed, which is what I said last week.
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To be honest, I’m sure McCann is happy to be in work and he’s certainly not going to bemoan a lack of funds within weeks of taking the job.
Everyone within football knows you need to have your squad right in august January is there if you’re panicking or if another manager is now in charge.
Williams was one of our biggest earners and we’ve replaced him with a kid on loan and a kid from non league.
We’re just not equipped at all for any injuries and there’s no loan market available once the season starts.
As you know I’m usually more positive than most and am constantly accused of having rose tinted specs with all thing rovers.
But right now I’m as worried as I’ve been for a long time
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That's your opinion I don't agree, a william style wouldn't fit in 4 3 3, just because we have bought in different types doesn't mean they wont ne alot more effective than William's, which wouldn't be hard to be honest
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Never said they would be any less effective, but they’re cheaper, much cheaper.
So if that’s the route we’re going down then tell us
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Point of information - we only once failed to fill the bench in a League game last season. That was when Alcock was injured in the warm up before the Southend game.
Yes, sometimes we had youngsters on the bench, but that can assist their development, so shouldn't be seen as a negative.
I half get your point Baron..And you are right when you say that it aids their development..However lets not forget what the main priority is and that's first team league results and position, so that has to be balanced..And their were far to many times last season when we were struggling a bit and you looked at our bench on who could change the game and there wasn't anybody..With a even smaller squad this year any type of injury issues and lets be honest for us they happen every year,we are going to be in trouble..
We had very few game-changers, period. Those that could change a game tended to be on the pitch from the start if available. However, I did think the constant focus on formations inhibited us last season. Time will tell if the players are more comfortable with the way McCann plays.
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The ones that left may have been big earners but Anderson hasn’t come for minimum wage
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What do you expect them to say. We are going to get these 2 and they are much cheaper than William's and will enhance us. Do you really need to know that much all the time. If they enhance us and are cheaper bonus. More money to spend the rest of the year.
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The ones that left may have been big earners but Anderson hasn’t come for minimum wage
No, but he won’t be on what Williams was on and there’s a lot more left than joined. So whatever way you look it it we’re currently spending less on wages than we were at the end of last season
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What do you expect them to say. We are going to get these 2 and they are much cheaper than William's and will enhance us. Do you really need to know that much all the time. If they enhance us and are cheaper bonus. More money to spend the rest of the year.
You’re changing the topic of the post.
If we’re paying less then there’s a decent chance that’s why Ferguson decided to leave.
We were told the budget was higher which led to confusion why he left.
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.
Nothing is cut and dried.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173)
Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"
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I have been trying for 50 yrs to get to know how much and on what my wife spends money on.
And I know it is nothing to do with me, and it is the same with the owners money, we don't have to know, or need to know what the club are up to until the end of the transfer window.
Then and only then will we have the full picture of any team building moves the management have made, and the full make up of our team.
And that includes any moves for our players, of which a couple could attract bids from other clubs.
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What do you expect them to say. We are going to get these 2 and they are much cheaper than William's and will enhance us. Do you really need to know that much all the time. If they enhance us and are cheaper bonus. More money to spend the rest of the year.
You’re changing the topic of the post.
If we’re paying less then there’s a decent chance that’s why Ferguson decided to leave.
We were told the budget was higher which led to confusion why he left.
But if you get people you think are better but it just so happens they cost less.
What do you want to do pay them twice as much just to say I told you our budget was bigger. It's called good business.
Really the value we got from William's he was also worth far less, even though he cost us a small fortune apparently. I would be more worried if we was over paying for what the manager thought would enhance the team
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You can look at it like that, but we’ve been saying for a few years now we need more experience and we’re getting less by the looks of it.
Or you can look at it that we’re signing these kind of players cause we can’t afford the experienced ones.
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.
Nothing is cut and dried.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173)
Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"
This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.
Nothing is cut and dried.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173)
Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"
This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear
Or possibly in negotiations the agent tried to get the offer upped from Crawley and exaggerated what we had offered. Or we just pay more than them and it was low compared to the rest of our players average.
It seems people want an eastenders saga
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You can look at it like that, but we’ve been saying for a few years now we need more experience and we’re getting less by the looks of it.
Or you can look at it that we’re signing these kind of players cause we can’t afford the experienced ones.
Maybe we cant but if the budget is top 6 and you cant afford a player it doesn't mean it hasn't been upped and it's still top 6. Some top prem teams cant afford some players.
Also don't forget we could offer a player a buster deal and they don't want to come
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Maybe McCann is a better manager than Ferguson and can get better value for money.
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What do you expect them to say. We are going to get these 2 and they are much cheaper than William's and will enhance us. Do you really need to know that much all the time. If they enhance us and are cheaper bonus. More money to spend the rest of the year.
You’re changing the topic of the post.
If we’re paying less then there’s a decent chance that’s why Ferguson decided to leave.
We were told the budget was higher which led to confusion why he left.
Why are you so desperate to know why Fergie left? It's becoming an obsession with you!
He's gone, and I for one don't give a Donald Duck why. Life moves on, we have a new manager and a new season to look forward to. The team will be what the new manager deems the team to be, neither more nor less than that; in spite of any moaning's by our fans. The budget doesn't have to be all spent to satisfy you, me or anyone else that it is higher than last year. It is what it is and if the manger is happy to utilise it the way he thinks fit then that's fine and dandy with me, that's part of what he's paid for.
Of course, how we play and where we finish at the end of the season will be the sole arbiter of his and the teams ability; que sera sera....
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I know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently.
You’ll be amongst the ones slagging off McCann when we’re 16th at xmas when in reality he’s doing a great job with what he’s been given.
How anyone can suggest getting rid of 3/4 good league one players with players who’ve never played at this level is moving forward is beyond me.
And it will be all the ones defending the budget that are wanting McCann sacked come November
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As with any new regime, and with the start of any new season, there's always uncertainty and anticipation. That's normal, but the same principles apply. The manager is employed to manage as he sees fit, not how he thinks the fans perceive how he should manage.
Transfer negotiations should not be in the public domain and what 'news' makes it into the public domain should be taken with a little pinch of salt, even if that includes tactical denials. It wouldn't take much to compromise potential deals if some busy body takes it upon themselves to go on social media and alerts the wrong people.
Every club, particularly of our standing, should play their financial cards very close to their chest.
As fans, we can only judge based on results and performances on the pitch. The general concensus is we underperformed under Fergie even taking into account the promotion. McCann clearly believes he can improve on that. I would have thought his desire to play 433 would be music to plenty of ears, releasing players like Blair and Rowe from their defensive duties etc.
Let's put all the nonsense about the budget to one side, and let's allow the manager to do what he's paid to do.
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He’s not gonna come out and say, actually I don’t think I can improve on last season though is he
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Do you want him to?
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I know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently.
Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.
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Why would I?
He’s got a new job he is going to do his best but I know for a fact that if we’re in the bottom half of the table at xmas people on here will be after him.
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I know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently.
Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.
What I think I know 🙄
Ok Glyn.
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Why would I?
He’s got a new job he is going to do his best but I know for a fact that if we’re in the bottom half of the table at xmas people on here will be after him.
So can we just clarify what you're saying here as you're privy to information we're not.
Is it your belief we will be in the bottom 6 at Christmas?
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Why would I?
He’s got a new job he is going to do his best but I know for a fact that if we’re in the bottom half of the table at xmas people on here will be after him.
That's the same for any manager any club and any budget.
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Why would I?
He’s got a new job he is going to do his best but I know for a fact that if we’re in the bottom half of the table at xmas people on here will be after him.
So can we just clarify what you're saying here as you're privy to information we're not.
Is it your belief we will be in the bottom 6 at Christmas?
He didn't say bottom 6 Baz, he said bottom half; if we don't hit the ground running, that's quite a possible scenario.
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Why would I?
He’s got a new job he is going to do his best but I know for a fact that if we’re in the bottom half of the table at xmas people on here will be after him.
So can we just clarify what you're saying here as you're privy to information we're not.
Is it your belief we will be in the bottom 6 at Christmas?
He didn't say bottom 6 Baz, he said bottom half; if we don't hit the ground running, that's quite a possible scenario.
Of course it's a possibility. I'm just trying to understand if he's predicting abject failure or whether he's hedging his bets?
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If we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas.
Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉
But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry
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Can I just introduce to the debate the fact that our last manager had one of our very highest earners in Williams sat on his arse for most of season and Baudry even when fit was not a regular selection of our manager. Evina paid peanuts or not was given contract extension by the last guy and then almost immediately told he would never play for the club again. Likewise Etheridge who was signed and then dumped.
These are not inconsiderable parts of the wage bill that was effectively being pissed away by the last guy who through poor decision-making.
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How by not playing a player who he didn’t rate who was probably our highest earner is he pissing away the budget.
Williams wasn’t good enough it wasn’t poor decision making.
Anyway that’s a seperate argument, the point is we’ve recouped a lot of this money now but we haven’t/aren’t spending it
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If we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas.
Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉
But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry
That’s your opinion dickos but your like a dog with a bone, anyone who has a differing opinion you attack it and reiterate yours again and you do it in every thread you post in.
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If we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas.
Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉
But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry
Well as long as the team can rely on your support then that's good. But don't worry, life's too short!
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I vote for a big brawl in car park 1 to put an end to the repetitive debates.
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I know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently.
Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.
What I think I know 🙄
Ok Glyn.
Ah, so he told you in person and that it was a secret, eh?
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I vote for a big brawl in car park 1 to put an end to the repetitive debates.
We'll have to be quick or there might not be enough people to have one soon!
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I know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently.
Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.
What I think I know 🙄
Ok Glyn.
Ah, so he told you in person and that it was a secret, eh?
I said I know, I’m not really interested in who believes me or not. I stated at the time why he left and what had been happening from December onwards.
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If we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas.
Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉
But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry
That’s your opinion dickos but your like a dog with a bone, anyone who has a differing opinion you attack it and reiterate yours again and you do it in every thread you post in.
Not really no, the original post simply asked if the budget is bigger than last year then why isn’t it being used.
Maybe it will be, but if we don’t sign any more experienced players then the conclusion is the budget isn’t as big.
Nobody can suggest to me that McCann wouldn’t want to sign better players if he had the money to do so
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.
Nothing is cut and dried.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173)
Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"
This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear
Or possibly in negotiations the agent tried to get the offer upped from Crawley and exaggerated what we had offered. Or we just pay more than them and it was low compared to the rest of our players average.
It seems people want an eastenders saga
We then renegotiated his contract to hold onto him for a longer period of time. Now I'm not one to call something smelling off, but Evina wasn't on peanuts. It isn't the a lack of spending that irks me it's the deceit.
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If we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas.
Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉
But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry
That’s your opinion dickos but your like a dog with a bone, anyone who has a differing opinion you attack it and reiterate yours again and you do it in every thread you post in.
Not really no, the original post simply asked if the budget is bigger than last year then why isn’t it being used.
Maybe it will be, but if we don’t sign any more experienced players then the conclusion is the budget isn’t as big.
Nobody can suggest to me that McCann wouldn’t want to sign better players if he had the money to do so
Yes really because when someone gives a differing opinion you attack it
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Where have I attacked anybody?
Dear me
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Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.
I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.
My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in.
Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.
Nothing is cut and dried.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173)
Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"
This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear
Or possibly in negotiations the agent tried to get the offer upped from Crawley and exaggerated what we had offered. Or we just pay more than them and it was low compared to the rest of our players average.
It seems people want an eastenders saga
We then renegotiated his contract to hold onto him for a longer period of time. Now I'm not one to call something smelling off, but Evina wasn't on peanuts. It isn't the a lack of spending that irks me it's the deceit.
Deceit lol, really. I give up it makes no difference what he was on why do you NEED to know. Your version of peanuts could be far different to mine or anybody else's.
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I struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.
Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.
We finished 15th.
This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that.
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I struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.
Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.
We finished 15th.
This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that.
I think that says it all SM
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I struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.
Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.
We finished 15th.
This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that.
As Ive said all throughout, if we do spend some money these next two weeks then that’s great my concern was if we started tomorrow we would be in for a difficult season as we’ve not really strengthened at all
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Has someone hacked Dickos account?
Under Fergie he was Uber positive and optimistic but now Fergie has gone he’s the opposite.
Last year he would have defended far worse than this.
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Not just under Fergie, I’ve been Uber positive and defiantly defended every manager we’ve had over the last 10 or so years on here against severe negativity as now doubt I will find myself doing in a few months.
That’s my main concern, McCann isn’t going to get a fair crack of the job and in a month or so everyone is going to be on his back
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But we have strengthened, albeit with maybe not as many players as some might wish for. Even without anyone else, the return of Danny Andrew should be a boost. The new lad from Hamilton sounds a good addition and the loan lad from Leeds also could be a shrewd acquisition.
Sounds to me like we'll be more organised, direct in terms of moving the ball quicker and have more players getting in positions to have a pop at goal. Keep it simples.
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More players in the opposition box when attacking sounds good.
Too often last season we invariably only had one player getting in there to try to get on the end of a cross.
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We all want to see players playing without fear and at times last season and before, we capitulated. That's the mental approach and DF was responsible for that. If McCann does nothing else, other than deal with that alone, we will be play off contenders.
Now I'm not naive enough to think it's that simple but as many eluded to over DFs reign, square pegs in square holes is a start.
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As a point of order, Dickos did call for Ferguson to be sacked, so it is unfair to portray him as a blind happy clapper.
The last guy was cack basically. He undershot expectations and budget in both seasons in League One. Being a flat track bully in League Two was not in the job description. Getting us competitive and out of League One certainly was. At no stage we were remotely this.
The new guy may or may not be better. We shall wait and see.
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So so many conspiracy theorists on here it gives me a headache. Mid June we have already made a number of signings.
We haven’t made anymore because we have a new manager assessing what he already has to work with. Quite sensible.
CEO notes we have money to spend. Doesn’t give how much away as that would be stupid. Sensible to me.
Alit of people here worrying, fretting and pr Biding opinion is fact. It’s kike we’ve turned into a conspiracist theory organisation rather than a fan group☺️
Let’s just deal with the facts eh and give this football club of ours a chance. Our job is to get behind the club, the team and the manager. Can we try doing that for the once
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I struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.
Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.
We finished 15th.
This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that.
I think the question should be why are we paying our players so much? Last season we didn’t have a player that had played above league 2 level the season before and yet we had the 7th highest budget?! Something is wrong.
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Eh? Tommy Rowe has played for his whole career at Championship/League One, Copps obviously, Butler, Baudry have regularly played in League One, McCullough been with us in the Championship/League One...
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Eh? Tommy Rowe has played for his whole career at Championship/League One, Copps obviously, Butler, Baudry have regularly played in League One, McCullough been with us in the Championship/League One...
and how many of those players had played above league 2 level the season before last? None.
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Time (for me at least) to log off here until the new season I think.
There’s still around 3 weeks of the transfer window to go. The very last thing I expect the club to be saying publicly is “yeah we’ve got plenty still left to spend out of the budget and we are desperate for players in XYZ positions” because all that’s going to do is drive prices up.
I get some of the frustration because we do look a bit short of the club’s stated ambitions at this stage, but I don’t think now is the time for panic.
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I struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.
Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.
We finished 15th.
This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that.
I think the question should be why are we paying our players so much? Last season we didn’t have a player that had played above league 2 level the season before and yet we had the 7th highest budget?! Something is wrong.
Eh? We were in league 2, employing Championship and Lg1 players and buying ourselves out of Lg2. I don't see the relevance of your question. We were in Lg1 last season and therefore had to pay Lg1 wages.
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We were a team coming up from league 2. We didn’t add any players that had played above that level in the transfer window and we still had a budget that was the 7th best in league 1 behind teams like Wigan and Blackburn. I’m assuming some players had promotion bonuses but to go up to a league in which none of the squad were playing at or above that level and still have a budget that is the 7th highest is ridiculous.
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Hang on..... do we now have a new debate about our budget being too big?!
Well, a change is as good as a rest I suppose....
;)
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As a point of order, Dickos did call for Ferguson to be sacked, so it is unfair to portray him as a blind happy clapper.
The last guy was cack basically. He undershot expectations and budget in both seasons in League One. Being a flat track bully in League Two was not in the job description. Getting us competitive and out of League One certainly was. At no stage we were remotely this.
The new guy may or may not be better. We shall wait and see.
Did dickos really call for Ferguson to be sacked?
If so it must have been during that ridiculous L1 relegation season because I can only remember him defending DF.
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I was asked if he should be sacked if we lost to both Blackpool and Colchester over Easter.
I replied he probably should yes
Ever since then he’s been banging on about me calling for Ferguson to be sacked.
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Interesting reading some of this from the summer, there were people predicting how we’d struggle once the injuries kicked in.
Also people suggesting McCann still has plenty of the budget left to use in jan.
Let’s hope so
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Strengthen it in Jan and kick on for a top 6 finish
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We've just lost a mickey mouse trophy match playing a second string team with plenty of youngsters getting some game time and you chose to bring this up now?
Our form has dipped without doubt however confidence can be gained as well as lost. A sledgehammer to crack a nut may not be the right approach.
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We do need to stay in touch over the next six or seven weeks though.
We are far from out of the top six picture as things are right now.
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Strengthen it in Jan and kick on for a top 6 finish
Forget promotion... it’s nit happening. Too many plates spinning
1) Poor overall depth in squad .
2) Injuries and discipline taking hold .
3) too many players out of contract
4) WE DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY to do solve everything!!!!
Solution ride out rest of season with choice loans and start afresh in the summer!
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Strengthen it in Jan and kick on for a top 6 finish
Forget promotion... it’s nit happening. Too many plates spinning
1) Poor overall depth in squad .
2) Injuries and discipline taking hold .
3) too many players out of contract
4) WE DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY to do solve everything!!!!
Solution ride out rest of season with choice loans and start afresh in the summer!
1 strengthen in Jan
2. Strengthen in Jan
3. Strengthen in Jan
4. We do and strengthen in jan
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We've just lost a mickey mouse trophy match playing a second string team with plenty of youngsters getting some game time and you chose to bring this up now?
Our form has dipped without doubt however confidence can be gained as well as lost. A sledgehammer to crack a nut may not be the right approach.
Today’s game is irrelevant really I think the obvious point is, the squad isn’t strong enough
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I don't agree that this game is now irrelevant just because we lost it. Had we beaten Chorley and Notts County we would have all said we are getting back on target and team is regaining confidence. Anyone not disappointed with 6 games without a win has no ambition.
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Strengthen it in Jan and kick on for a top 6 finish
Forget promotion... it’s nit happening. Too many plates spinning
1) Poor overall depth in squad .
2) Injuries and discipline taking hold .
3) too many players out of contract
4) WE DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY to do solve everything!!!!
Solution ride out rest of season with choice loans and start afresh in the summer!
1 strengthen in Jan
2. Strengthen in Jan
3. Strengthen in Jan
4. We do and strengthen in jan
NO MONEY!!! Only too many poor players
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Strengthen it in Jan and kick on for a top 6 finish
Forget promotion... it’s nit happening. Too many plates spinning
1) Poor overall depth in squad .
2) Injuries and discipline taking hold .
3) too many players out of contract
4) WE DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY to do solve everything!!!!
Solution ride out rest of season with choice loans and start afresh in the summer!
1 strengthen in Jan
2. Strengthen in Jan
3. Strengthen in Jan
4. We do and strengthen in jan
NO MONEY!!! Only too many poor players
I'm starting to think you want us to have no money.
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I suspect when McCann arrived at the Keepmoat he told the board what they wanted to hear in that he could build a promotion winning squad largely using the existing team. He told the players that they were as good as any in this league, with no-one to fear, and psychologically boosted the squad. That’s all ok as long as we keep winning. But a few successive losses soon knocks the wheels off the wagon as players struggle to cope with losses after believing they are the best. Wins from the cups could have promoted confidence, that has all gone wrong. I think we need a major shake-up at Christmas or we will end up with another season with a top 6 or 7 budget and ending up in about 15th again. If that happens the board can’t consider they are getting value for money from the manager or players.
That’s just my opinion, but it is hard to feel optimistic based on the current form and I can’t see what McCann can do with the existing squad.
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Strengthen it in Jan and kick on for a top 6 finish
Forget promotion... it’s nit happening. Too many plates spinning
1) Poor overall depth in squad .
2) Injuries and discipline taking hold .
3) too many players out of contract
4) WE DON’T HAVE ANY MONEY to do solve everything!!!!
Solution ride out rest of season with choice loans and start afresh in the summer!
1 strengthen in Jan
2. Strengthen in Jan
3. Strengthen in Jan
4. We do and strengthen in jan
NO MONEY!!! Only too many poor players
The club said there will be monies available to invest in Jan, so I don't know what you are talking about or which club.
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I suspect when McCann arrived at the Keepmoat he told the board what they wanted to hear in that he could build a promotion winning squad largely using the existing team. He told the players that they were as good as any in this league, with no-one to fear, and psychologically boosted the squad. That’s all ok as long as we keep winning. But a few successive losses soon knocks the wheels off the wagon as players struggle to cope with losses after believing they are the best. Wins from the cups could have promoted confidence, that has all gone wrong. I think we need a major shake-up at Christmas or we will end up with another season with a top 6 or 7 budget and ending up in about 15th again. If that happens the board can’t consider they are getting value for money from the manager or players.
That’s just my opinion, but it is hard to feel optimistic based on the current form and I can’t see what McCann can do with the existing squad.
The form of every club has dips no matter which club you are.
Some fans panic just setting in and that panic at the ground from the fans the players will feel.
Get back to a win and we will be back on the promotion party.
Guaranteed that no team will have ever got promoted by constantly being negative about their chances and that will be fans included.
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I can’t fault McCann for trying to motivate the players. I like the 4-3-3 formation and he does not keep changing formations, or move players into the wrong positions, which were last year’s issues. I don’t feel any subs he brings on makes a lot of difference. I just feel he is short of options right now.
My views are calm and unemotional and far from panic setting in.
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Things will be ok in January or the summer or next January then the following summer. Same old story some people are just happy to go along with what ever the club is telling them!
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Some people just happy to assume the club has any reason to actually lie to them and create conspiracies.
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Every club lied to a extent!
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Have they though or did you make that up to try and add weight to your argument?
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Lol redj you really are brainwashed
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Brainwashed just because I don't believe there's a massive conspiracy to lie to the supporters from the club? f**k me where can I get one of your tinfoil hats from?
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Brainwashed just because I don't believe there's a massive conspiracy to lie to the supporters from the club? f**k me where can I get one of your tinfoil hats from?
Tinfoil? You're living in a fantasy world. The club will only pay out for cling film.
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It’s pointless arguing about it, we’re told We have money to spend in jan. So let’s see what McCann does with it
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Things will be ok in January or the summer or next January then the following summer. Same old story some people are just happy to go along with what ever the club is telling them!
If they tell us anything different we will be getting lied to so what do you want them to say lol.
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How much longer is this ‘5 year plan’ to go??? Not too long in my reckoning.. how much further are we????
1. Absolutely nowhere near a championship club, the board made the appointments and the transfer kitty across the board as been nothing like to get a championship club, same old story every year and nothing to back it up... the proof is there... theve spent peanuts on bringing people in.. ok there’s the odd decent freebie along with signing on fees etc, but even these get over looked my theory is the clubs reluctance to pay agents.
2 the dons were involved in the ‘5 year plan’ where are they??? In the worst league possible with worse crowds than when they entered the joint ownership with Club Doncaster and there certainly nowhere near a championship or was mentioned a super league club!!!
All in all the board are happy to carry on doing nothing, and until it’s put to them what’s happened??? Nothing will change...
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How much longer is this ‘5 year plan’ to go??? Not too long in my reckoning.. how much further are we????
1. Absolutely nowhere near a championship club, the board made the appointments and the transfer kitty across the board as been nothing like to get a championship club, same old story every year and nothing to back it up... the proof is there... theve spent peanuts on bringing people in.. ok there’s the odd decent freebie along with signing on fees etc, but even these get over looked my theory is the clubs reluctance to pay agents.
2 the dons were involved in the ‘5 year plan’ where are they??? In the worst league possible with worse crowds than when they entered the joint ownership with Club Doncaster and there certainly nowhere near a championship or was mentioned a super league club!!!
All in all the board are happy to carry on doing nothing, and until it’s put to them what’s happened??? Nothing will change...
Presumably you put all this to them at the Meet the Owners event, rather than just sit on your hands and keep quiet?
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Has St Caths opened the doors this week?
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Has St Caths opened the doors this week?
Doors? You're living in a fantasy world. The club will only pay out for flyscreens.
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why did you escape lol
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Worse thing is some of you can’t reply with a decent answer because I’m right..
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Worse thing is some of you can’t reply with a decent answer because I’m right..
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So did you mention all this at the Meet the Owners event?