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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Alickismyhero on August 27, 2018, 07:22:08 pm
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Just been chatting on the Morecambe forum and asked for their opinions on Mandy so far.
with comments like:
"Looked a bit lazy first couple of games, but has dug in and is now looking fitter. He's been playing most of the time and for me, is putting a real shift in.
Jim Bentley is good at handling these type of lads and he seems to be enjoying it and behaving himself"
"He is beginning to look a quality player and his fitness seems to improve with each game"
No bad comments so far........Mandy is doing OK...........I intend to watch him play in Sept
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That’s good to hear. I do think with the right attitude and the right manager pushing him he will be a very good player. Ability is not in question imo
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Camps,
I totally agree.
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Well, when we sent him out, we got rid of the best finisher at the club ( Fergies words not mine by the way ) and we could have done with a good finisher last weekend.
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Yes, he's scored 1 goal in 6 appearances. How shit must McCann be to miss out on such a prolific scorer, despite it being in a lower league.
f**king rubbish Bramhall!
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If Mandy is losing a bit of his excess weight, getting sharper, getting his head together, he could come good. It was the best move for him to go on a season loan where he could get that regular game time. He's a fair bit to go before he'd be in contention for a contract extension, assuming he wanted it.
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Reel em in, Don't bother with the bait.
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In all seriousness, I don't think Mandeville is dedicated to the cause of professional football. I don't even think it was his main ambition to be a professional footballer. Isn't he more into law or something?
I get the impression he's just going through the motions of an easy life in professional football and when he's too old for that he'll go into his main ambition.
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You could be right BB, i was told he had a law degree qualification, but don't really know.
Probably why him and Fergie didn't understand each other.
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Maybe he is a law unto himself
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He obviously has ability but in all honesty, he never did enough consistently at DRFC to impress me.
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That goal he scored for them in the cup game at Preston was class though, very well taken.
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That goal he scored for them in the cup game at Preston was class though, very well taken.
Yes it was.
That turn and shot at the Emirates was as good as anything you are likely to see too.
But as I said, he didn’t show any consistency.
Harry Forrester used to do brilliant stuff now and again but he got moved on too.
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You could be right BB, i was told he had a law degree qualification, but don't really know.
Probably why him and Fergie didn't understand each other.
Or why Fergus felt threatened by him?
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You may have a point hound, but when they have that class in them, do you just blank them, make life difficult, give up on them, or man manage them and try and get the best out of them?
I don't have much admiration of Fergie's treatment of some of the younger players who were coming through while he was here, it did not only affect their play, it affected them off the field as well, and not just the youngsters, older players like Williams were treated badly, and to the cost of the club.
Grant cannot be held responsible for anything with regard to what he inherited on this matter.
Having said that, Mandeville for an intelligent lad should have had more about him as to get into the situation in the first place. He had it all in front of him and has let us the supporters down.
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There is something wrong with Mandy is it lack of maturity? could it be he is an intelligent boy who is difficult to cope with in debate? who knows.
When it comes to lack of consistency in the clips of games I have seen he looks fine to me but I will get a better picture when I hope to watch him play on the 8th September. If you read the comments made by Morecombe supporters they don't mention lack of
consistency they say...
….."Puts a shift in"
"Looks a quality player"
"Fitness improving"
The kid has got his head down and my fingers are crossed that he stays clear of injury because I think he can prove a lot of doubters on this forum wrong.
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Player playing regularly improves fitness and consistency shocker.
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You could be right BB, i was told he had a law degree qualification, but don't really know.
Probably why him and Fergie didn't understand each other.
I don’t think he’s actually got any sort of qualification, more that he was just quite academic at school and didn’t expect to have a possible career in football until late on:
“I actually wanted to be a lawyer or an investment banker. I did all right at school and I thought I'd go down that route”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38307096
What strikes me most looking back at that article is the mutual respect that DF and Mandeville seemed to have at one point - Ferguson praises Mandeville’s attitude, work rate and mentality, all of which have been questioned on here since, even in this thread. That respect seemingly went sideways pretty quickly.
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Maybe that award went to his head.
"I've made it" mentality.
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Will be very interesting to hear his take on what's happened. One day...
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I feel a bit sorry for Mandy. He came and he gave without taking, and then they sent him away.
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To think we let him go and kept that waste of space Kiwomya!
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
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I feel a bit sorry for Mandy. He came and he gave without taking, and then they sent him away.
Genius.
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
He’s certainly not the same player I saw on videos before his illness. Whether it’s all about confidence or ability or he’s still not physically right I’m not sure but it appears the decision DF made to sign him was dubious.
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
Similar to...
Mason, Andrew, marquis, whiteman, Blair, wright, Rowe,
Bloody rubbish signings fergie
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
The lad is nesh in the highest degree, pulls out of 50/50 challenges all the time and appears to be lazy too.
None of these traits can be put down to his illness of last season.
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More comments on Mandy from Morecombe. I have noticed there has not been one bad comment about him, the kids doing great, as the saying goes.
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Improving in fitness with every game. Looks dejected when we don't deserve to be defeated ie v Oldham.
Get the impression that he's the type of player who needs a managerial cuddle every now and then. Seem low on confidence at the start but is now gaining more in every game knowing that he will be in the starting 11 for every game.
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Not had a player like Manderville for years, very comfortable on the ball, controlling the ball, reminds me a little of Carl Baker , and has a couple of his “moves”,
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All of these comments from the Morecombe fans just confirm what we already knew. He needs to put in some consistent performances and show a consistent improvement in attitude.
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We could of done with him last night, would have given us a different option upfront
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All of these comments from the Morecombe fans just confirm what we already knew. He needs to put in some consistent performances and show a consistent improvement in attitude.
Copps,
I think we all know that but the question is what is their manager doing now that we dropped off doing? or is it Mandy realisers that his chances are running out, I don't know but I hope for his sake he keeps up the improvement. I can't see him coming back and he seems to be in a team that is struggling but that's football and he seems to be enjoying the experience this time on loan.
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You'd imagine we'll be able to bring him back in January if he's doing well.
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We could of done with him last night, would have given us a different option upfront
The trouble is that he wasn’t consistent when he was here.
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We could of done with him last night, would have given us a different option upfront
The trouble is that he wasn’t consistent when he was here.
He needs a consistent run in the team and the goals will come. It's happened before with Paul heffernan, and could happen with Mandy.
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It's a shame he couldn't of got a better loan than Morecambe they look set to struggle so service into Liam could be non existent which won't help him get back in the frame
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
The lad is nesh in the highest degree, pulls out of 50/50 challenges all the time and appears to be lazy too.
None of these traits can be put down to his illness of last season.
He is very slight. Genuinely one of weakest looking players we have ever signed. Again, could be down to his serious illness but if not, he must wear kids’ kit. Literally nowt on him.
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
The lad is nesh in the highest degree, pulls out of 50/50 challenges all the time and appears to be lazy too.
None of these traits can be put down to his illness of last season.
He is very slight. Genuinely one of weakest looking players we have ever signed. Again, could be down to his serious illness but if not, he must wear kids’ kit. Literally nowt on him.
I think he was summed up late in the game when, after he had tried to get to the byeline, the defender nudged him and he fell over as the ball went behind for a goalkick.
He looked lost, a boy in a mans game.
I am not trying to pick on him by the way, just giving my honest opinion of him as a player.
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Have yet to see anything in Kiwomya - granted he had that very serious illness - but this looks like another questionable legacy from our former manager.
The lad is nesh in the highest degree, pulls out of 50/50 challenges all the time and appears to be lazy too.
None of these traits can be put down to his illness of last season.
He is very slight. Genuinely one of weakest looking players we have ever signed. Again, could be down to his serious illness but if not, he must wear kids’ kit. Literally nowt on him.
I think he was summed up late in the game when, after he had tried to get to the byeline, the defender nudged him and he fell over as the ball went behind for a goalkick.
He looked lost, a boy in a mans game.
I am not trying to pick on him by the way, just giving my honest opinion of him as a player.
He’s awful... needs dropping to the under 23s intill he shows that he wants to be a professional footballer.... has shown zero effort, commitment or ability so far in his rovers career
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Must have knocked confidence of the lad, having serious illness for so long. He just doesn’t look like a footballer though and am not sure the illness has owt to do with that. Maybe once he gets a few pounds on he might start to stand up to people a bit more. At present he is too easy to dismiss.
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Kiwomya looked good against us for Crewe, but it was League 2; I've always maintained that the gulf in quality between League 1 and League 2 is more than some people realise.
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Kiwomya looked good against us for Crewe, but it was League 2; I've always maintained that the gulf in quality between League 1 and League 2 is more than some people realise.
Agree with this massively, Houghton looked like Iniesta in League 2... Struggled in some games last season
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Mandy scores again! A shot from outside the box, but Morecambe still lose.
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A comment from one of their supporters suggested he had a quiet game today but his goal was majestic.
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Mandy's goal today:
http://www.skysports.com/football/bury-vs-morecambe/393707
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Great goal that
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More positive comments from Morecambe supporters on Mandy.
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You can tell he is quality and you can tell the opposition know he is quality. As soon as he gets the ball they have 2 men covering him but not diving in , just jockeying him like you do against good players.
As you say his best position is just behind the strikers.
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He seems very quiet as well. He walks away muttering to himself rather than bollocking team mates or demanding the ball. He is class, just wasted doing what he is doing.
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Do we have a recall clause as part of the loan in-case we got multiple striker injuries? and is he out of contract next year?
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Do we have a recall clause as part of the loan in-case we got multiple striker injuries? and is he out of contract next year?
I think the club learnt from Curtis Main when he refused to return from his loan. I rate the kid and he has done well so far at Morecambe. I don't see him coming back, in fact, I would recommend that he doesn't come back and enjoy his time there playing regularly.
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He's showing what we all know he's capable of when he can be arsed. Nobody's denying that there's something there, he just needs to show it if he's going to make it.
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He's showing what we all know he's capable of when he can be arsed. Nobody's denying that there's something there, he just needs to show it if he's going to make it.
I don't accept "He can't be arsed" I think he has been mismanaged. He has now played 5/6 games at Morecambe and I have not read any negative comments about his performances, in fact, they wax lyrical about his last goal on Saturday.
He is young, a little immature, intelligent(not always an advantage in football), he will have poor performances, its the managers job to get the best out of him, Fergie never, Gillingham never but Morecambe's manager seems to have done it so far.
I am in the Morecambe area on Saturday and I hope to make the game.
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He can probably be arsed now because he has someone who is capable of managing him properly.
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More positive comments from Morecambe supporters on Mandy.
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You can tell he is quality and you can tell the opposition know he is quality. As soon as he gets the ball they have 2 men covering him but not diving in , just jockeying him like you do against good players.
As you say his best position is just behind the strikers.
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He seems very quiet as well. He walks away muttering to himself rather than bollocking team mates or demanding the ball. He is class, just wasted doing what he is doing.
That last comment is telling and probably summed up why Ferguson didn't fancy him. He wanted him to react in the same way as Marquis does.
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.....which is why to be a good manager you need to be able to distinguish what players need to get the best from them. It's never a one style fits all approach.
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I am on holiday in the Lake District so I popped down to Morecambe to watch Mandy. I did my usual market research before the game " What do you think of Mandy"? Without exception "A touch of class" back came the answers. The supporters seemed to have really taken to him. He was MOM in the first half for me with some fantastic passing around the box. I recall a long cross field pass which was superb. When Morecambe kept Mandy in the game they played very well as a team but when he was away from play MFC were very poor. MFC were playing against 10 men for most of the game and should have won but just could not score. Mandy is a fantastic play maker but poor at tackling there is no doubt in my mind they are playing Mandy out of position on the right wing but that's football, we all have an opinion.
Mandy passed us as he walked off the field and he looked very down, quite upset, doesn't like losing, thats a good sign.
Mandy is too good for the second division, if things don't improve MFC could be going out of the league but Mandy would be picked up by a 1st or 2nd division club.
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I’d love to see him have another chance here in this team. So far this season we’ve actually played football with some movement and attacking intent which would help someone with his talents. Mandy would look good in our front 3 imo
Going to be hard for him to grab headlines in a really poor side so hope we’re watching and seeing what Alicks seeing!
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I never really bought into the Mandeville hype.
He did occasionally do something a bit special but never was consistent over a decent period of time.
Very poor off the ball as well.
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Always new he was quality. Just needs man managing something DF was not capable of it would seem.
I hope there ie a recall clause in his loan agreement as he would be a very valuable member of our squad later in the season.
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I just feel like when he got a proper run in the team a while back he was quality the kind that we’d struggle to hold onto. He was then unlucky with injury and imo poorly managed by DF (shades of Jose and Man Utd) last year. I believe in giving younger players a few decent chances before binning them especially if they’ve got such talent. Maybe his next chance should be his last if he can’t reach the required level though
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Always new he was quality. Just needs man managing something DF was not capable of it would seem.
I hope there ie a recall clause in his loan agreement as he would be a very valuable member of our squad later in the season.
Scouts watch their Teams Loan Players routinely. Mallik Wilks WILL be being watched by Leeds as will Herbie K by LFC etc etc
We will be watching all our Players too looking for suitable progress - attitude - committment - desire and other criteria asked for by the Manager and so Manders has the opportunity to impress on these occassions and "force" a way back into GMs reckoning
I hope he takes it as I would really love to see him taking it to the opposition for us rather than Morecambe
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Just two comments from the Shrimps forum on Mandy:
Worked his socks off again, shows passion when things go wrong but he must do half as much running again as some others, hope his enthusiasm continues.
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My Man of the Match today.
he did say in an interview this week he's happy playing out wide, so aslong as he's happy i say, also said we have some good players but just lack self belief.
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For us many would say he did half the amount of running and leave it at that. Those less glamorous parts of the game are where he needed to improve
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Mandy's strength is his play making but managers today demand the tracking back defending and he is not up to that for 90mins. I think he is pathetic at tackling His skill is to unlock defences and make his team play good football and score goals but that is not happening if you look at the stats. In the first half MFC were the best side and Mandy set up several good chances but the striker(s) were just not up to it and I fear that is the case most games.
Someone on this forum said "its difficult for Mandy to stand out in a bad side", not really, Mandy is head and shoulders above his team mates just play him to his strengths!!!
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I got the impression from the supporters I talked to in the pub before the game and in the ground the majority of Morecambe supporters are of the opinion that Mandy should be played in the centre of the pitch and not isolated on the wing. Personally I agree with them but alas the man who counts, the manager, disagrees.
Morecambe are a better team than their league position suggests and they need Mandy to have this roving central position to unlock defences, having watched him I am more convinced than ever he can do it.
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A few more comments from Morecambe:
A bit guilty of doing too much yesterday but to be fair, only AJ is on his wave length. Looks a bit too good for us and is turning in to the best player in the playground. Would love to see him and AJ up front as a pair.
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Thats what i was saying, its just Mandy is supposedly a moody player, and he did say he's happy playing where he is, being allowed to run at people with the ball.
But i bet them 2 upfront in a partnership would be an absolute nightmare for L2 defences!
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He is in the last chance saloon though so I can't see him trying to rock the boat. Rumours of bad habits, a poor loan last season and ended up at the smallest club in L2 so I can't see him complaining publicly. If it doesn't work out here for him, where does he go next? The lad has bags of talent and I hope he continues to shine but I also hope he doesn't lose team ethics and start doing it all himself. He could become another Richard Brodie if he doesn't get it right here.
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For me a player with outstanding talent that we are to date not using him in a creative central role just behind the strikers that his skill warrants. Too often he was having to track back to get the ball rather than it being played to him from defence. Second half being stuck out wide he was a shadow of the player in the first 45. Play in the central areas where he can use his skill and dictate play and the strikers could benefit.
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Alickismyhero - how much time, energy and effort do you think you spend on reading and writing about Mandeville as opposed to players who are currently in the Rovers squad? 16 of your last 20 posts going back a fortnight are about Mandeville - I'm interested in the fortunes of our players out on loan, but a lot more interested on those currently in the hoops - is he a family member or something?
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No connection at all.
Obviously my posts are of no use to you but they may be of interest to other supporters who are interested in how Mandy is doing at Morecambe after all he is still one of our players.
Due to family commitments I am unable to go to home games but I was able to arrange a holiday in the Lake District at the same time as Morecambe's home game with Swindon and it seemed a good idea to find out for myself how Mandy was doing. I even wanted to find out what Morecambe supporters thought of him.
Please feel free to ignore my postings about him, you don't have to read them.
The topic has been hit over 3800 times, I think that would indicate there is a slight interest in how Mandy is doing.
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Nick, as Alick has posted just ignore the thread about him, and keep watching some of they players that are still here.
You will watch for quite a while though, to see some of them score goals like he has scored for Morecambe this season.
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I'm appreciative of your efforts, Alick.
I'd like to think Mandy still has a future here.
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Nick, as Alick has posted just ignore the thread about him, and keep watching some of they players that are still here.
You will watch for quite a while though, to see some of them score goals like he has scored for Morecambe this season.
Come on Bri, a bit OTT there.
The one that Blair got on Saturday was superb and even Alfie Mays’ against Blackpool was a cracker.
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Hound. I am not comparing, watch the one against Preston, and I think at Stevenage, do you think we have anyone who can score them sort of goals?
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Couldn't give a f**k how they're scored as long as they go in to be honest.
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That I agree with Red,but it is nice to have a bit of class in your locker as well.
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Hound. I am not comparing, watch the one against Preston, and I think at Stevenage, do you think we have anyone who can score them sort of goals?
I hadn’t seen any of his goals so just looked up the one versus Preston - a half volley from just inside the area that went straight through the keeper. Marquis’ finish last weekend and Blair’s yesterday were both more impressive goals for me, so I’d say yes, we do have the kind of player who can score those goals. Couldn’t find a goal against Stevenage but did find one against Bury that was a really good finish from outside the box, but again I wouldn’t say that’s beyond the capabilities of anyone we have at the moment.
Alickismyhero - as I stated in my post, I am interested in how our loan players are getting on, so please don’t say “obviously my posts are of no use to you”. I was just interested because you have written a lot about him recently. The fact that there doesn’t seem to be any interest in how McCullough is getting on made me think that you might have a connection to Mandy.
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Nick, I would like to spend the time researching players out on loan like McC but due to a few problems I have to deal with domestically I just don't have the time.
To actually make a game I have to plan well ahead and then probably cancel at the last minute. This was my first game of the season and on the whole I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Why Mandy? He's a local lad and I happen to think if he is handled correctly should have made it in our first team. Personally I don't see him coming back but I would like our supporters to know how he is doing and what the Morecambe supporters think of him.
I am one of those supporters who like to talk and pass an opinion to the unfortunately supporters around me and get a banter going. I did not get one bad comment about Mandy but in football that can change over night.
Mandy strikes me as a young boy growing up in a mans game, pathetic at tackling but very able to open up defences, personally I rate him very highly. I wish him well for the future but I don't see it at Donny.
Well done Nick if you got this far. I perfecly understand you not reading this as there are some posters I avoid.
All the best Terry
Now back to the holiday! Football comments over?
Or is it? I move up to Edinburgh on Wednesday so I will be trying to make it to Motherwell to watch Curtis Main on Saturday, now that would get a few complaints.
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I think you missed the point with both goals Nick, they beat the goalkeeper because he hit the shot early, on the run,instant control,and you have seen him do that for us, the one against Scunthorpe last season first time on the run across the defender.
Yes some of our players have scored spectacular goals, but apart from Marquise and Wilks only occasionally, we have waited the best part of the season for one from May and Blair, hopefully they do it more often now the system gets players going beyond the strikers into the box.
We need more goals from other players than the strikers, if we do, they will not attract the attention of defenders so much, and their job will be easier.
Sop Marquis and in most games you stopped our goals for the last eighteen months.
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I'm happy to read about how Mandeville is doing and I hope he comes good. I like him and think he just lost his way a bit last year. I fear it may be too late for him at DRFC although I hope not.
The goal he scored in their defeat last weekend was a brilliant curling effort from outside the box. He's capable of that as we saw in his L2 performances here.
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Thanks for the write up about Mandy, always liked the way those type of players play. Could he be called back in January? Not sure how it works, but, he scored the goal of the week last week and has been in the team of the week. To me that says a lot about him, playing in a team just above the relegation zone. It won't have gone unnoticed by certain clubs either. I'd love to have him back here as I don't think we've got anyone who could unlock the opposition teams like he could.
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Comments taken from Morecambe Forum:
Mandy, a different class again. I don't like Mandy out wide but enjoy it when he cuts inside and curls one. Beats men with ease and has a great touch. Played a big role in the goal.
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He is a quality player and he seems to be enjoying being a regular starter.
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If they like a man who can curl one out they'd love me.
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I believe he’d do a better job than Taylor but the manager sees it differently. Again Taylor came on yesterday ok late on but he still looks unfit he did the run down the right side near end and he was knackered.
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For a start Steve I don't see Mandy coming back to Donny but when you compare Taylor with Mandy, Taylor is coming to the end of his playing days and Mandy is at the start, hopefully.
The danger for me is that Morecambe drop out of the league and take Mandy down as well. He is too good to fall out of football altogether but with his current form I am sure a 1st/2nd division team will take him on. I fear he has bad a bad experience at Donny and may follow Curtis Mains example and say "no" to coming back, but who knows? football is a funny old game.
I am pleased that Morecambe got a win yesterday because when I watched the Swindon game at Morecambe, when they lost 1-0, Mandy looked the most dejected player for Morecambe but a win changes everything and will, I feel sure, put a smile on his face.
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Who cares mandy or Wilkes only one for me and that's wilkes
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More comments:
Just seen the extended highlights, I'm quite impressed! Some of the interplay between Oates, Mandeville and Wildig is lovely, and it was great to see Fleming making some good runs into forward positions all game, which obviously led to his goal.
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I'm confident in all our forward player's, especially Mandeville, abilities to find little pockets of space and Tutte looks like a player who can pick them out.
Don't takle offence but I think you have missed the point of this topic Elmsall.
I was not attempting to compare any player suggesting that Mandy should return and replace say Wilks. My post was to let those supporters that were interested know how Mandy was doing that's all. By all means do a separate topic to cover your opinion and I probably would not challenge your opinion.
https://www.mtfc.co.uk/news/2018/september/23.09.18-match-highlights-morecambe/
Worth a watch to interested parties
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Alick, don't pay attention. I appreciate the updates. In the same way Leeds fans are monitoring Wilks closely we should be doing the same with Mandy. Some appear to think once a player is gone, they're gone. As if nothing can change in a players development, despite us having the likes of Marquis who has vastly improved with us. Hope Mandeville continues playing well.
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Morcambe won yesterday, and in the football league paper report star man of the game is Liam Mandeville, given 8 out of 10. and was selected in the league 2 team of the week.
It was backed up by the comments of some of their supporters on their forum who also said he had played well and was their outstanding player in the game.
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The sad thing is Copps I cant see him coming back. I have watched him and I think he has improved even though he has been played out of his best position. If you look at two things on those highlights,
1. The curling shot from the left of the box which nearly beats the keeper on his left, I think it was.
2. Mandy's very close play to set up the winner in the second half.
To get the best out of him he must be involved in more play which means he should be played centrally behind a front two with a free roving role.
I will stick by what I have said in the past "Mandy is a gem"
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Who cares mandy or Wilkes only one for me and that's wilkes
Wilkes isn't our player, Mandeville is.
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I don’t think he will be for much longer though.(Mandeville).
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I don’t think he will be for much longer though.(Mandeville).
Unfortunately I think you are right I can't see him coming back, in fact, I would recommend that he doesn't. Things are looking up for him now, he has a few people to prove wrong and I hope he succeeds in doing just that.
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Hound, if he keeps playing like he is the rest of the season, we need to offer him another contract, because of his age we would be due a fee if he signed for someone else next season if we do.
Likewise if he gets a transfer in January, someone like Hill at Rochdale will be savvy enough to make us look mugs if we don't, and if he plays regularly he may just kick on further and be worth quite a bit of money, and we would be kicking ourselves again if we lose out on a sell on clause.
We have been pillocks before, losing out on players we the club, and some supporters didn't rate.
It is down to the lad himself to keep playing well, improve and kick on, he starts with an advantage on a lot of others, he has the talent to do it, the question is does if he want it enough?
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I have nothing against Mandeville and I also hope he does well in the future.
However, when he played for us it seemed to me the he was very average, then he would have three or four games where he looked like he could play a bit, then go back to being very average again.
He has to show that he can be good over a long spell.
He may find it easier to do that at L2 level.
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Hound, we have players here struggling with Newcastle U21's and Mansfield development sides.
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Hound, we have players here struggling with Newcastle U21's and Mansfield development sides.
The Mansfield side was not far off a first team and we finished the last half hour of that game with a very young set of players on the pitch.
Also, who says that Mandeville would not have struggled against those sides?
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The Mansfield side was not far off a first team and we finished the last half hour of that game with a very young set of players on the pitch.
Hound, the team that finished the game against Mansfield wasn't a great deal different to what started! Furthermore, for Selby's sake, it wasn't just the attacking players who found it difficult, far from it!
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/september/rovers-development-1-mansfield-town-reserves-5/
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Hound, we have players here struggling with Newcastle U21's and Mansfield development sides.
The Mansfield side was not far off a first team and we finished the last half hour of that game with a very young set of players on the pitch.
Also, who says that Mandeville would not have struggled against those sides?
I do!
I even went to Morecambe so I could form an accurate opinion of Mandy.
I don't have a bad eye for a player and as an example I did spot a good lad locally who I supported and encouraged from the age of 19 although I was accused of changing his style of play which earned him a lot of yellow cards and even reds. His mother holds me responsible for the cards.
He went on to play for England U19, Crystal Palace, Leyton Orient, Northampton, Brentford and Saunders wanted to sign him for Crawley to which he turned him down. His career is over and is now involved in pyramid selling, very sad.
I honestly beleive that Mandy is in the same boat.
I am convinced with an element of luck Mandy can play at a higher level but what he can't deal with is when a critical crowd get on his back which is likely at Donny. Thats why I would recommend that it is time for him to move on.
Mandy has a lot of good support at Morecambe and even though they play him out of position, lose most games, I never heard any bad comments about him.
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If he can't deal with a crowd getting on his back then, while I don't agree with getting on a player's back in the stadium, he isn't going to make it at a very high level is he.
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I accept giving a player stick is part of the game for some supporters and you only have to read some of the comments on here were morons go a little too far out of pure ignorance.
Although Morecambe have had a very poor start to their season supporters don't aim their disappointment at Mandy and that's why I think he is flourishing even though they play him in the wrong position.
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Maybe it is worth someone from the press asking GM whether he has been tracking his progress and whether his Rovers career is over perhaps?
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Maybe it is worth someone from the press asking GM whether he has been tracking his progress and whether his Rovers career is over perhaps?
If he hasn’t watched every game he’s played he should get the sack.
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Maybe it is worth someone from the press asking GM whether he has been tracking his progress and whether his Rovers career is over perhaps?
I think it was at the "Ask the owners" night, GM said that he keeps an eye on Mandy and gets feed back.
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Always wanted Mandy to push on and take Copps place, as our main supplier, once he hangs his boots up. He had natural talent, can't see it happening now as to be honest.
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Always wanted Mandy to push on and take Copps place, as our main supplier, once he hangs his boots up. He had natural talent, can't see it happening now as to be honest.
Now you mention it Mandy reminds me of Copps where Copps fakes to centre but goes left, then goes in the opposite direction and its at this point the defender is screwing himself in to the pitch trying to block the centre. Well Mandy does exactly the same move. Obviously got it from the master.
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Again, no disrespect to Mandeville, but is is not even close to being as good as Copps.
Also if he can’t take stick from a crowd then he is not likely to make it in the game is he.
I have said before that he has some of the attributes to become a decent enough player but he appears to lack mental strength as well as physical strength.
These are things that modern day successful footballers need to have.
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Rj don't give me that B******S it was Mansfield's first team,we had our fair share of want to be first team players on the park, our goalkeeper probably cost more than their team put together, and a player who cost over a million pounds at one time, so they say.
It may have missed some peoples notice that Mansfield's first team play at the same level that Mandeville is getting picked for the team of the week, and good reviews most games in a poor team at that.
They have to win their next Chekatrade game or we are out of that in the group stages for the first time, something Mandeville with youngsters never achieved, because he usually scored in the games, or set someone else up.
The only good result our development side has had is against a young Grimsby team whose first team are nearly as poor as Morecambe.
And where has this he can't take stick come from, last seasons reasons were he ran and looked funny.
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What are you on about? why are you randomly mentioning me again? :laugh:
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Selby, it was Alickismyhero who suggested that Mandeville can’t handle stick from the crowd.
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Because I have just had a five hour operation in York hospital and I want to, someone has to get it sorry.
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Selby, just sent you a PM mate.
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This maybe the kick up the bum Mandy needs
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Again, no disrespect to Mandeville, but is is not even close to being as good as Copps.
Also if he can’t take stick from a crowd then he is not likely to make it in the game is he.
I have said before that he has some of the attributes to become a decent enough player but he appears to lack mental strength as well as physical strength.
These are things that modern day successful footballers need to have.
Hound, I seem to recall you making comments about how you never liked supporters in the South Stand shouting abuse and booing players suggesting that it never improves performance! I totally agree with you.
Yes, Mandy is not the perfect player but who is? When did you last see Mandy play? He now takes all corners, free kicks and is up and down the wing like he is on elastic.
He is a very young player who needs plenty of encouragement to develop. His biggest failing for me is his ability to tackle and I have not seen any improvement in that area but if he was played in the right positioin it wouldn't be that important.
I don't think anyone said Mandy was a better player than Copps just a suggestion that when Copps hangs up his boots, by ZZ, that he would have liked Mandy to take over, thats fair comment from what I have seen.
Time will tell who is right and I maintain that with luck and encouragement Mandy will be successful. Mind you I did say Maine would make it and look what happened to him. I did plan to watch Maine last week when I was in Edinburgh but had to call it off at the last minute, thats life.
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Alick, by his own admission, Bobby Charlton couldn’t tackle but that didn’t stop him being a great player.
If Mandeville goes a tenth of the way that Charlton did he will have done well.
You are correct about my earlier comment, it does brass me off when supporters do that and they certainly destroyed Curtis Main and also ATS when they played for us.
As I said though, players have to be mentally strong and deal with that.
I was speaking with someone today who was telling me that even when DF was watching some of our younger sides play he was prone to screaming out at them, much like he did to our first team players.
As we know, some players can take it and some can’t.
Mandeville may be one that can’t handle that either ( as well as from supporters).
Perhaps he needs the old arm around the shoulder cajoling and is getting that at Morecambe.
However, to repeat, I wish him well for the future but in the hard nosed world of football I think he will have to mentally toughen up to make a good career in it.
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Hound,
I wouldn't argue with that! I am sure we all wish the kid well, its a tough and short career.
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We all desperately want young players to succeed, especially when they've had some exposure in the first team and shown they have talent and, been able to score some goals. In Mandy's case some crackers in that.
We all know, as said above, there are some aspects of his game that is lacking. He's not the more complete player in relative terms, compared to say Kane and Wilks, who are on loan with us for a reason.
We have moved on to League One whilst Maindy isn't ready for the week in week out rigours at this level. The loan is probably the best thing for him and we all hope he becomes a better player for it and better physically and maybe mentally. Sooner, rather than later he has to convert that potential and find his level.
Alas, his time with us maybe limited as we maybe progressing faster than he can keep up. This is also the case for other players on our books at the moment.
However DF handled it, was the loans the right move? I'd have to say yes. Will we see him in a Rovers shirt again? Doubtful I would say.
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If he does come back to Rovers then it just might be that GM will man manage him in such a way that he turns out to be a gem.
Something that DF obviously had a problem doing.
At age 18/19 he was considered to be one of the best players to come out of the youth team for a considerable time.
Ability is permanent, its his head that needs sorting. That’s all about his own personal desire and having the man management to help him be as good as he possibly can be.
Only time will tell of course but I hope he can fulfill his potential, preferably with Rovers.
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We all desperately want young players to succeed, especially when they've had some exposure in the first team and shown they have talent and, been able to score some goals. In Mandy's case some crackers in that.
We all know, as said above, there are some aspects of his game that is lacking. He's not the more complete player in relative terms, compared to say Kane and Wilks, who are on loan with us for a reason.
We have moved on to League One whilst Maindy isn't ready for the week in week out rigours at this level. The loan is probably the best thing for him and we all hope he becomes a better player for it and better physically and maybe mentally. Sooner, rather than later he has to convert that potential and find his level.
Alas, his time with us maybe limited as we maybe progressing faster than he can keep up. This is also the case for other players on our books at the moment.
However DF handled it, was the loans the right move? I'd have to say yes. Will we see him in a Rovers shirt again? Doubtful I would say.
I have watched Mandy recently, which I see as important in assessing him accurately, and he is playing better than I have seen in the past even though they play him out of his best position. Will he be coming back? I don't think so in fact I would recommend that he doesn't but you never know in football.
Morecambe are in a relegation fight and I think it could be in Mandy's favour because he stands out head and shoulders above his team mates somebody higher in status will acquire him.
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There was a period when we were in league 2 where he looked a class above and if he's finding those levels of performance again he's worth another contract and another chance here. Trouble is we have a good squad playing well at the moment and if he comes back in theres a good chance he'll join Beestin on the bench and struggle to get in
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More comments from Morecambe supporters:
Mandy is a cracking player who many seem to agree should be playing down the middle and opening teams up. As we’ve got few wide players though this is forcing him out there.
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Having said that he really needs to stay off the drink. A few mentions at the game on Saturday of his previous antics. It is only going to destroy his potential - as well as his liver.
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My only criticism of Mandy is that he doesn't shoot often enough , he gets past two or three players and will then pass rather than shoot , but he's not alone in that department .
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Mande is definitely going to be a big player for us this year, quality and with bags of potential.
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Hopefully he’ll soon get a goal and that will really build his confidence. Looks great on the ball but occasionally ‘fluffy’ as in not always playing a killer pass, or as said, taking a shot. I think the potential is there once he builds more understanding with his teammates.
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He should be unleashed from his defensive shackles and allowed to do more sustained damage to the opposing team.
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For that to happen he'd have to be the 10 in two up front, in my opinion!!
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He got a goal the other week. Good goal from outside the area proving that if you shoot it might go in!!
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He's got two, he scored at PNE also!!
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I posed the question on Morecambe's forum "Whats your opinion of Mandy"
Their forum is not as populated as our forum but the topic is probably the most popular on there.
It has totalled 60 replies and nearly 3000 views.
What concerned me the most is the one where a supporter talks of the demon drink in relation to Mandy. The supporter's comment seems only to be formed on hearsay and pointing to his time at Donny. I seem to recall hearing something like this before but if that is his problem he seems to have turned the corner with the good reports of his Morecambe supporters.
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The moment may have passed for him but would have been interesting to see how he would have played in this formation. I fear that his work ethic off the ball might not be what our current manager demands or expects. Certainly playing a little off centre in a three would suit him well.
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I posed the question on Morecambe's forum "Whats your opinion of Mandy"
Their forum is not as populated as our forum but the topic is probably the most popular on there.
It has totalled 60 replies and nearly 3000 views.
What concerned me the most is the one where a supporter talks of the demon drink in relation to Mandy. The supporter's comment seems only to be formed on hearsay and pointing to his time at Donny. I seem to recall hearing something like this before but if that is his problem he seems to have turned the corner with the good reports of his Morecambe supporters.
Seems like he's doing well but based on what I've seen on Twitter and heard he does like a night out and was in to laughing gas as well. Bit of a w**ker like the stories of Grealish, who seems to have grown up, hopefully Mandy can too.
I'd love to see him play to his potential in our front 3.
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Mandy scores to put Morecambe ahead
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Wow! Is that 2 or 3 now this season? :ohmy:
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Wow! Is that 2 or 3 now this season? :ohmy:
Not bad from right midfield.
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Its now 3 goals and if they put him in the right position he would score more.
I can only think that the reason they sent him out on loan has something to do with "being a party animal" and to teach him a lesson but I can't confirm that.
If I could get a message to him "Grow up Mandy" things are now going your way, work hard and keep your nose clean.
I will put the Morecambe supporters comments on his game today later.
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It saddens me almost as much as when Rovers let Laurie Sheffield go, apart from he scored a hat-trick on his debut for his new club Norwich, and they were a league higher!
Now that WAS something to really be upset about!
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Yeah - in the days of no Social Media etc Eddie Beaglehole who was my PE Teacher at the time told us as we lined up to go in the Gym " Rovers have sold Laurie Sheffield to Norwich " GUTTED !
Manders bagged me the £50 Charity Penalty for TIA Greyhound Rescue so I was and always will be indebted to him - and then I found out we have the same Birthday - although mine is a little different in the Year of course
Hope he comes back !
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I doubt he'd come back now, Wolfie, Laurie's in his 70's and getting on a bit in football terms.
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Still more mobile than some so called forwards we have had.😉
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Mandy gets a fluke!
https://www.skysports.com/football/grimsby-vs-morecambe/393759
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Not a fluke at all
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Is it a fluke? looks like a teasing ball right into the area where you should be looking to attack, and crept in at the far post.
Just the sort of ball into the area good strikers thrive on.
Question, if we get in the playoffs, would he be eligible to play after his loan at Morecambe? which would be ended, just a thought.
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I personally would like to see Him return to a proper footballing club , under a manager that appreciates good skill and can not only motivate, but can get more out of him.......
Oh !!! That’ll be Rovers then...
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A few more comments on the Morecambe Forum:
Another in the bag today for Mandy.......permanent move to Morecambe, I hope so.
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Mandeville with a cross. I initially thought it was Oliver's touch, but re-watched it and Oliver didn't reach it, but that perhaps mis-footed the keeper and the ball rolled nicely in!
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Wooop woop get in, Mandy.
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Certainly a day of ups and downs, apart from the backing off and the lack of a tackle for their goal we were the better team. Great that our fans kept on supporting and singing and we got our reward. Oates goal a brilliant effort and Mandey celebrated like he had wasps in his shorts - hilarious , great to see everyone happy
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Is it a fluke? looks like a teasing ball right into the area where you should be looking to attack, and crept in at the far post.
Just the sort of ball into the area good strikers thrive on.
Question, if we get in the playoffs, would he be eligible to play after his loan at Morecambe? which would be ended, just a thought.
Why would he be? his loan is also a contract, in essence, and will expire when the transfer window reopens on 1st July. Or maybe 9th of June as that's when the transfer window opens for clubs in England. But I don't know why you'd think he'd be able to randomly come back before the season was over.
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I don't want to sound controversial here but why should we be so desperate to want him back then, considering that we'd have been successful enough to achieve a play-off place without him?
Reading this thread anyone would think McCann's made a massive mistake in loaning Mandy out, and as soon as the decision is reversed the better.
Perhaps we could make the thread long enough so as to gain the necessary support of his return in such massive proportions to have a referendum on it!
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Vote Remandeville?
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We weren't told of the full consequences of him leaving.
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This immediate recession is crippling the team's performance!
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As far as I'm aware Mandeville's loan runs for the whole season. However if we are involved in the play offs and Morecambe aren't he would be able to play for us. Same with Garratt.
It would be a bit unlikely that either player would figure for us, but stranger things have happened.
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I was not contemplating he would play, it was a question to something I didn't know the answer to, although when you think about it, Marquis could have been sold in January, and Wilks could be recalled to Leeds.
And you would be hard pushed to contemplate what we would be left with to qualify for any playoffs, they struggle to score against league 2 development sides don't they.
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Selby, like you say if Marquis was sold in January and Wilks returned to L**ds you would be hard pushed to contemplate what would be left to qualify for any playoffs so there'd be no playoffs for Mandy to play in!
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I was interested BB in a fictitious at the moment situation that could possibly arise, and if he could play, not start world war three.
For what it is worth, and I was him, had had a decent season and had scored a decent return of goals and was called back, but knew other clubs were interested to sign me for next season, which will be possible in the last six months of his present contract, I would not jeopardize my contract with the Rovers, but whether I would put myself out, risk injury etc. is another thing unless I knew there was something concrete for me and I wanted to stay here after the playoffs which is unlikely.
That's me though not Mandeville.
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BB when I was sat behind the goal at Plymouth and May was six yards out in the centre of the goalmouth the ball went to him on a plate and he missed another sitter, I did think,I wonder if?
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Ah, I knew I'd get to the heart of your problem eventually!
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BB when I was sat behind the goal at Plymouth and May was six yards out in the centre of the goalmouth the ball went to him on a plate and he missed another sitter, I did think,I wonder if?
The one following Wilks header? He had a small space to hit it in, between Wilks and their defender and cracked it very hard - brilliant save by the keeper. I think that's a very harsh perspective *expecting* better.
https://youtu.be/N8vjfFeze2U?t=1m25s (https://youtu.be/N8vjfFeze2U?t=1m25s)
There was a chance he had before that when he was around the edge of the box running to our right where he would have been better taking it a couple of steps earlier.
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BB when I was sat behind the goal at Plymouth and May was six yards out in the centre of the goalmouth the ball went to him on a plate and he missed another sitter, I did think,I wonder if?
Your obsession with this is laughable, it is beyond parody at this point.
For the record, do you think if we sold Marquis and lost Wilks in January we'd not bother replacing them!? We'd just soldier on with an entire strike force of May, Taylor and Myron Gibbons!? Insane notion.
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I agree with you, anyone would be insane if they did try to carry on with only that lot.
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RA, you forgot Kiwomya and Beestin.
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RA, you forgot Kiwomya and Beestin.
Also good examples yeah, just not played a big role yet this season like this others. I think Beestin is terrific so hope he can force his way in.
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Kywomya is easy to forget.
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Kywomya is easy to forget.
Even when he's playing he's easy to forget!
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Who?
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If you have a bad memory, you will be hard pushed to remember some of our player's last league goal it has been that long.
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a Morcambe supporter comment about a Mandy assist last night.
It was a lovely goal. Mandeville beat about three players having run from his own half, then slotted the ball through to Cranston. I thought his first touch was a bit heavy, but his second was a cracker!
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If you have a bad memory, you will be hard pushed to remember some of our player's last league goal it has been that long.
Go on then Selby name the player, sorry players you are referring to
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think i know who it is......
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A child could see through his thinly veiled digs.
It's almost as if he's actively wanting the player to not succeed just to be proven right...
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He must be referring to Copps?
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Only just braved this thread... it's hard to get through it without coming to one of the following conclusions.
- Alfie May lets his dog sh*t on selby's lawn
- selby is Liam Mandeville
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Viva , if it did it would be posted back to him. In league games since last Christmas as far as I can tell the following players including starts and cameos as substitutes have returned the following.
Beestin 20 games only one this season 2 goals the last one on 13th of February v Plymouth
Kiwomya 14 games 3 this season last goal 17th of February v Fleetwood.
Khemis 2 games none this season last goal 20th of January v Shrewsbury
May 17 games 8 this season last goal the 9th of January
Taylor 7 substitute appearances 0 goals
That is five goals between them and none this season when we have been quite open and expansive in our play, rather stark reading, and plainly not good enough in my opinion.
Add to that most of those players have played in development games we have lost to league two sides, have lost to Newcastle U21's and when we were knocked out by Blackpool in the league cup.
All those players would be on the field next Tuesday v Grimsby and told prior to the game what is expected of them as far as a result against a team, if they play their first eleven sit at the bottom of league 2.
I have put it simply so that Viva, Rj, RR, and Steve can understand my child like thinking, and if any of them can explain their logic I will be interested to read it, but please keep it simple for my sake.
You can add to that, the only one I would think of keeping at the end of the season would be May, that may surprise a few.
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Point of order - Alfie May has not scored a league goal in 2018.
His last league goal was at home vs Rochdale on 29 December.
Also noteworthy that in the last 12 calendar months, May has scored two goals - the one against Rochdale and one this season in the League Cup vs Blackpool.
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Viva , if it did it would be posted back to him. In league games since last Christmas as far as I can tell the following players including starts and cameos as substitutes have returned the following.
Beestin 20 games only one this season 2 goals the last one on 13th of February v Plymouth
Kiwomya 14 games 3 this season last goal 17th of February v Fleetwood.
Khemis 2 games none this season last goal 20th of January v Shrewsbury
May 17 games 8 this season last goal the 9th of January
Taylor 7 substitute appearances 0 goals
That is five goals between them and none this season when we have been quite open and expansive in our play, rather stark reading, and plainly not good enough in my opinion.
Add to that most of those players have played in development games we have lost to league two sides, have lost to Newcastle U21's and when we were knocked out by Blackpool in the league cup.
All those players would be on the field next Tuesday v Grimsby and told prior to the game what is expected of them as far as a result against a team, if they play their first eleven sit at the bottom of league 2.
I have put it simply so that Viva, Rj, RR, and Steve can understand my child like thinking, and if any of them can explain their logic I will be interested to read it, but please keep it simple for my sake.
You can add to that, the only one I would think of keeping at the end of the season would be May, that may surprise a few.
Brian, please explain in simple detail why you think GM was wrong to let Mandeville and McCullough go out on loan.
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Viva , if it did it would be posted back to him. In league games since last Christmas as far as I can tell the following players including starts and cameos as substitutes have returned the following.
Beestin 20 games only one this season 2 goals the last one on 13th of February v Plymouth
Kiwomya 14 games 3 this season last goal 17th of February v Fleetwood.
Khemis 2 games none this season last goal 20th of January v Shrewsbury
May 17 games 8 this season last goal the 9th of January
Taylor 7 substitute appearances 0 goals
That is five goals between them and none this season when we have been quite open and expansive in our play, rather stark reading, and plainly not good enough in my opinion.
Add to that most of those players have played in development games we have lost to league two sides, have lost to Newcastle U21's and when we were knocked out by Blackpool in the league cup.
All those players would be on the field next Tuesday v Grimsby and told prior to the game what is expected of them as far as a result against a team, if they play their first eleven sit at the bottom of league 2.
I have put it simply so that Viva, Rj, RR, and Steve can understand my child like thinking, and if any of them can explain their logic I will be interested to read it, but please keep it simple for my sake.
You can add to that, the only one I would think of keeping at the end of the season would be May, that may surprise a few.
[remembers pitfalls of trying to post a nice light tongue in cheek comment on a forum]
I haven't actually made any point regarding any players on this thread, or indeed any case for any of them.
All I will say is fringe players are always likely to struggle to score goals regularly. And the way things are going so far I'm pretty happy to trust McCann's judgement about which players should be here and which should be out on loan more than my own. I think that's reasonably logical like, but there you go.
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If you have a bad memory, you will be hard pushed to remember some of our player's last league goal it has been that long.
In the first 11 games of this season Marquis 8, Wilks 4, Blair 3 and six others have 1 goal. This must improve especially from players who are starting a majority of games and are in a attacking role. We need Tommy fit he scored goals last season in fact he was the second highest.
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If you have a bad memory, you will be hard pushed to remember some of our player's last league goal it has been that long.
In the first 11 games of this season Marquis 8, Wilks 4, Blair 3 and six others have 1 goal. This must improve especially from players who are starting a majority of games and are in a attacking role. We need Tommy fit he scored goals last season in fact he was the second highest.
Those stats aren't correct for the first 11 league games Steve; Wilks has 3 goals, and 4 others have 1 goal.
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If you have a bad memory, you will be hard pushed to remember some of our player's last league goal it has been that long.
In the first 11 games of this season Marquis 8, Wilks 4, Blair 3 and six others have 1 goal. This must improve especially from players who are starting a majority of games and are in a attacking role. We need Tommy fit he scored goals last season in fact he was the second highest.
Those stats aren't correct for the first 11 league games Steve; Wilks has 3 goals, and 4 others have 1 goal.
Yes just checked BBC have counted the EFL Cup aswell has league games. But the point counts we need more players to score than relying on John.
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Obviously the fringe players who barely play (and mostly off the bench when they do) are not going to have scored many goals between them. Once you score regularly you tend to get in the team.
Last season for me is irrelevant due to the managerial change and playing style. May and Taylor are chief back up for Marquis but Marquis is the league's top scorer so we haven't needed goals from the bench. Wilks has scored a few and now Blair too. Kiwomya failed to impress and Beestin has barely had a kick.
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It's also important to remember that Mandeville is playing at a lower level...
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Steve, I don't know if I have ever said anything about Grant's judgement, although I do think he has been quick to get rid of those two in my opinion.
However I don't blame them two for wanting away as they will and are doing well away from here, and have backed themselves to do so, also other teams came in for them, which has not exactly been the case with other players.
McCullough first, ended last season as one of our better players as a defensive midfielder, and can also play central defender. If two of Wright, Anderson, and Butler end up injured at the same time we are in trouble, left with one of those three, a junior, or a make up such as Mason. Fair does to Whiteman this season, McCullough would have been hard pushed to do as well, but at Plymouth, when he was suspended we were lucky to be playing a poor team attacking wise, as we were short in front of the central defenders, and Wright and Butler did well on more than one occasion to step up and snuff out a problem. All this was foreseeable and if McCullough was not insisting on wanting away I would have tried to keep him.
Mandeville was here under Grant for four days, Friday he was appointed and did media work, Saturday we played Alfreton, where Mandeville looked the best attacker in the first half. Sunday a day off, Monday he and Garrett were told to train with the juniors, Tuesday he went to Morecambe. I think he was told by the past manager to get rid, or Mandeville has upset or said something to one of our higher echelons and has no place here. he definitely was not given a chance to prove his worth.
Now I will ask you a question, on Tuesday night a Morecambe fan wrote on their forum, Mandeville picked a ball up and went on a run beating three players before putting a great ball through for us to score( or words to that effect from memory).
You have watched those players the same as me over the last few seasons, forget the goals he scores when others don't, how many times have you seen any of them do what that guy reported Mandeville did in a game? and he did it for us at Cheltenham and Exeter to set up Marquis.
They are both better off away from here, and will do well.
And to answer RJ you can't get a much lower level than our development side, and some have not cut it or pulled trees up in that team.
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You can't compare development football to League football and if that's genuinely what you're doing then what you're trying to say has very little credibility.
It's like comparing what's become of the Football League Trophy to proper League and Cup matches. Then again...
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11515905/cheltenham-2-2-morecambe
Stand back assess Mandy fairly in this clip of film.
Mandy is instrumental in setting up both Morecambe goals.
He is going to prove a lot of people wrong.
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Keep looking for excuses for them RedJ, you will soon disappear up your own backside.
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Keep looking for excuses for them RedJ, you will soon disappear up your own backside.
Massively ironic statement, this.
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Keep looking for excuses for them RedJ, you will soon disappear up your own backside.
So you're telling me reserve level football is played at the same level of intensity as a proper match then? okay. Literally no point in responding to you if you genuinely think that the two are comparable.
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Keep looking for excuses for them RedJ, you will soon disappear up your own backside.
You disappeared up Mandeville’s a long time ago 😜
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When it comes to Mandy Selby is right.
I have been to watch Mandy play, I have watched all the games highlights he has played in and Mandy, although played out of position, has played extremely well.
AS I have said before I don't see him coming back but I think he will play at a higher level than 2nd division.
I don't know what went wrong at Donny for Mandy because GM never seemed to give Mandy time to prove himself.
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Selby, to be fair the May, in your player stats above you have shown Taylor as having made seven sub appearances but no goals scored.
You have shown May as having eight appearances, but forgot(?) to say how many were sub appearances for him.
Without looking, is it all eight?
Mandeville has been a regular starter for his now L2 team so is on the pitch for more minutes than players who come on as a sub so is likely to have more chance of scoring, especially at a lower level, when he is apparently a seriously good player.
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Hound, I honestly don't know, I think he has had one start, when we played three up front, but he has had a few quite lengthy sub appearances.
His general play has been OK, but he misses chances, one at Plymouth a bad miss from six yards, and a heavy first touch losing the chance in the box at Accrington.
He did well with a header at Accrington from six yards but the goalkeeper made a good save.
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To be fair selby, it was a very good save by the keeper.
We would have been praising Marco if he had made that save.
I agree that it looked to be an easy chance but we know that the hardest job in football is to put the ball in the net.
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Watch the video from the Plymouth lad and you'll see it wasn't that easy a chance and it somewhat came at him quickly. If anyone should have scored, it was Wilks!
If Mandy had put in in half the effort, that Alfie has put in whilst he's been here, I strongly believe he would still be here. It's seems it's everyone else's fault, bar the lad himself. He has been an absolute fool to himself, much like you are making yourself look, Selby, by this incessant fawning over a player, who was deemed surplus to requirements by the very manager that is being hailed as somewhat of a Messiah!
Get over it, man. If he does well away from here, then good for him. Perhaps the penny might have dropped at long last!
Jesus. Can we not just freeze this thread as I think the vast majority are sick to the back teeth of reading about it.
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Steve, who the hell do you think you are calling me an absolute fool. For every post I have made in Mandevilles defence you have taken the high ground and dished it out to him.
I have never made one personal comment about you, although I disagree with you about May and Mandy. As a paying customer of the Rovers and this being a forum I defend my right to say what I want on any subject, whether you agree or not.
So my friend, my answer to you involves sex and travel, I have made it easy for you to work out.
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Steve, who the hell do you think you are calling me an absolute fool. For every post I have made in Mandevilles defence you have taken the high ground and dished it out to him.
I have never made one personal comment about you, although I disagree with you about May and Mandy. As a paying customer of the Rovers and this being a forum I defend my right to say what I want on any subject, whether you agree or not.
So my friend, my answer to you involves sex and travel, I have made it easy for you to work out.
You want to go and have sex with Liam Mandeville? I knew it all along.
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Steve, who the hell do you think you are calling me an absolute fool. For every post I have made in Mandevilles defence you have taken the high ground and dished it out to him.
I have never made one personal comment about you, although I disagree with you about May and Mandy. As a paying customer of the Rovers and this being a forum I defend my right to say what I want on any subject, whether you agree or not.
So my friend, my answer to you involves sex and travel, I have made it easy for you to work out.
Do you mean me when you say Steve?; if so you owe me an apology, as I have never called you a fool. Go back and check again and then you'll see who it was who called you a fool.
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I would object most strongly if this topic was removed from the forum.
I started this topic not Selby. I rate Mandy and the point of me starting this topic is to keep everyone informed of his form at Morecambe otherwise he would be a forgotten entity.
OK things are getting a little heated,you can still disagree but can you try a little harder and do it intelligently and respectful?
In other words,
Grow up
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Another comment from Morecambe,
He would be a great signing for us next year. The problem is that the better he plays the more likely it is that a club with money will poach him.
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I have just been accused of being his agent!
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I have no connection with Mandy at all except I rate him very highly
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Steve, I apologize unreservedly my comment was in response to Alan Southstand, who if he takes umbrance at my postings does not have to read them.
Nick and Redj also. They were scathing at the start of last season when they wanted him out of the team, it looks as if they can dish it out on a computer, make remarks that insult, and do not debate,just try to be clever.
If that is what they want to do they can, it is not hard to drop down to their level.
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Steve, I apologize unreservedly my comment was in response to Alan Southstand, who if he takes umbrance at my postings does not have to read them.
Nick and Redj also. They were scathing at the start of last season when they wanted him out of the team, it looks as if they can dish it out on a computer, make remarks that insult, and do not debate,just try to be clever.
If that is what they want to do they can, it is not hard to drop down to their level.
Well first of all, I wanted him out of the team because he looked shite and lazy.
Secondly, it was a joke, but if you choose to take that as a personal insult, have at it.
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I rate Mandeville very highly, and am fully behind keeping a close eye on here on how he is progressing and like Selby says, if you don't want to read about it then don't..It's a forum for all not just for certain individuals to decide what is discussed..
As regards Liam,it's pretty obvious it's what's in his head thats the root of his problems rather than the talent he has..I chatted to him once when things were going really well for him here,and I got the impression he didn't even like playing football,he just didn't seem excited about it...it was almost like he had stumbled upon something he was good at but it was like going to work to him..
Of coure we never saw him in training or were privy to his chats with the old manager but GM certainly seemed to make his mind up on him early so he obviously took direction from the existing coaches..
Maybe it's not Football coaching he needs,but a mental coach,a bit like Ronnie has at snooker..
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Thank you moderator it is the right decision to leave this topic open.
More views on Mandy from Morecambe...………..
Our only hope of signing him is if Doncaster announce that he won't be getting a renewed contract, in January,* thus allowing us to offer him a contract from next summer. If they offer him a contract, even if he doesn't sign it, then Doncaster will get money for him. If they don't announce anything in January, then we'd not be able to offer him anything then either, unless we're prepared to pay compensation. If it goes until his contract runs out next summer and he's then released, he'll be touted around all over the place and we won't be able to afford him.
Our best hope is that Doncaster allow us to offer a contract in January on the basis that he'd be released by them, and he believes that coming to us is the best way to revive his career. If not, then we need to just enjoy having hime here until next summer.
*I'm assuming his Doncaster contract runs out next summer?
“We have far more in common than that which divides us".
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Not wanting to be pessimistic but I fear we may not get to enjoy him until the Summer. If he continues impressing for us you would think other clubs would be in for him in January when his loan deal expires.
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No question about signing him if at all possible. It's not every day that we get the chance to offer such a player a contract BUT I suspect that his agent will possibly get him a lucrative deal elsewhere BUT would Mandy be happy and guaranteed first team action week in week out as he will with our club? I heard that money has never been the driving force with Mandy and that he's a career in law if things ever went pear shape so maybe the assurance of regular action could be the deciding factor?
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I rate Mandeville very highly, and am fully behind keeping a close eye on here on how he is progressing and like Selby says, if you don't want to read about it then don't..It's a forum for all not just for certain individuals to decide what is discussed..
As regards Liam,it's pretty obvious it's what's in his head thats the root of his problems rather than the talent he has..I chatted to him once when things were going really well for him here,and I got the impression he didn't even like playing football,he just didn't seem excited about it...it was almost like he had stumbled upon something he was good at but it was like going to work to him..
Of coure we never saw him in training or were privy to his chats with the old manager but GM certainly seemed to make his mind up on him early so he obviously took direction from the existing coaches..
Maybe it's not Football coaching he needs,but a mental coach,a bit like Ronnie has at snooker..
WC, I think he just needs a manager who knows what buttons to press to get the best out of him. I was greatly impressed the last game I watched Mandy which just happened to be against Swindon. I never realised at the time it was Luke McCormick in goal I would have loved to have seen Mandy get the winner but he never, that's life.
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I thought he was on a season-long loan there, if it's just til January then I'd like to see him given a chance by McCann providing he continues to perform for Morecambe until then.
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Surprised we didn't make it a six month loan with the option to extend. If he keeps up good form then there's no reason why he could play in that front 3.
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I thought he was on a season-long loan there, if it's just til January then I'd like to see him given a chance by McCann providing he continues to perform for Morecambe until then.
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/july/mandeville-joins-morecambe-on-loan/ (https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/july/mandeville-joins-morecambe-on-loan/)
Season long loan
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I'd be surprised if the option to recall in January isn't there if needs be.
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I'd be surprised if the option to recall in January isn't there if needs be.
Two words - Curtis Main
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I'd be surprised if the option to recall in January isn't there if needs be.
We didn't have an option in Lund's loan to recall him last January. It is something Ferguson said he regretted as he played little football for them and we could have tried to find him another club for the second half of the season. If the lessons have been learned there will be some sort of break clause in January. Presumably the same with Garratt.
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Obviously there is a difference in opinion about mandeville. I personally got the impression that it all started to go wrong when DF got an arse on with him
I could well imagine that it wouldn’t have been too hard to fall out with Ferguson
Sometimes he came across very arrogant
I’ve seen LM play really well and hopefully that will continue. He’d be better off staying where he is this season at least he’s getting games. He’d come back here and be warming the bench. I couldn’t see him replacing Wilks unless he gets recalled
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Steve, I apologize unreservedly my comment was in response to Alan Southstand, who if he takes umbrance at my postings does not have to read them.
Nick and Redj also. They were scathing at the start of last season when they wanted him out of the team, it looks as if they can dish it out on a computer, make remarks that insult, and do not debate,just try to be clever.
If that is what they want to do they can, it is not hard to drop down to their level.
Apology accepted Brian. It's not so much your praise of Mandeville that ruffles feathers, it's your berating of May and Taylor; as someone said in another thread, why call individual players out for criticism, when the team is playing so well?.
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Obviously there is a difference in opinion about mandeville. I personally got the impression that it all started to go wrong when DF got an arse on with him
I could well imagine that it wouldn’t have been too hard to fall out with Ferguson
Sometimes he came across very arrogant
I’ve seen LM play really well and hopefully that will continue. He’d be better off staying where he is this season at least he’s getting games. He’d come back here and be warming the bench. I couldn’t see him replacing Wilks unless he gets recalled
Phil,
I don't see Mandy coming back but you cannot compare Wilks with Mandy. I have watched Mandy recently and he could have been a great asset to our team. Mandy is quite exceptional at unlocking defences and scoring the occasional goal. If you look at the last link I put up Mandy had a key role in both Morecambe's goals. In the previous game he also scored. If he was my son I would advise him to stay at Morecambe as he seems to be enjoying his time there even though the manager plays him in the wrong position.
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On a related matter - what is happening with Mitchell Lund at present?
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On a related matter - what is happening with Mitchell Lund at present?
He's cover for Mason. I guess he'll get a chance next Tuesday in the Chaka Khan.
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https://youtu.be/jKE_EM18zZY
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https://youtu.be/jKE_EM18zZY
I don't seem to able to pull it up!
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Mandy up date in todays game:
13MIN
Mandy Opened up the Tranmere defence and Oates SCORES!
Not sure that is right but Mandy gets another assist to his name.
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Mandy gets another assist to his name and it looks like Morecambe are turning the corner to their season, in great part due to Mandy's contribution.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11525422/carlisle-0-2-morecambe
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Mandy gets another assist to his name and it looks like Morecambe are turning the corner to their season, in great part due to Mandy's contribution.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11525422/carlisle-0-2-morecambe
I had them nailed on for relegation but they are doing well. Think maybe we should let Mandy stay with them for the rest of the season but offer him another contract. I still think he's the heir to Copps, but I'm not sure you can play both in the same team.
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Mandy gets another assist to his name and it looks like Morecambe are turning the corner to their season, in great part due to Mandy's contribution.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11525422/carlisle-0-2-morecambe
I had them nailed on for relegation but they are doing well. Think maybe we should let Mandy stay with them for the rest of the season but offer him another contract. I still think he's the heir to Copps, but I'm not sure you can play both in the same team.
Red,
I really would go along with that with exception of Mandy coming back, I just can't see it, stranger things do happen in football. As far as I am aware Mandy is there for the season so he will be a free agent then.
Actually you don't se Mandy's assist in that clip, he took the corner, in fact, he takes all the free kicks as well.
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What a great job Jim Bentley is doing with them
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Mandy gets another assist to his name and it looks like Morecambe are turning the corner to their season, in great part due to Mandy's contribution.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11525422/carlisle-0-2-morecambe
I had them nailed on for relegation but they are doing well. Think maybe we should let Mandy stay with them for the rest of the season but offer him another contract. I still think he's the heir to Copps, but I'm not sure you can play both in the same team.
Red,
I really would go along with that with exception of Mandy coming back, I just can't see it, stranger things do happen in football. As far as I am aware Mandy is there for the season so he will be a free agent then.
Actually you don't se Mandy's assist in that clip, he took the corner, in fact, he takes all the free kicks as well.
We should still offer him a contract, as long as it’s at least on the same terms that means we’d be due some compensation from wherever he ends up.
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It was a good corner for their goal. And Mandy did play neatly play the ball through to Leitch-Smith for their first. He's doing great, but would need to develop more to make the step up to a regular League 1 start - not too disimmilar to Alfie May.
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Carlisle v Morecambe report in the Football League paper STAR MAN Liam Mandeville.
Mr Bentley is proving a shrewd talent spotter,and capable of getting a tune out of players others try and bury.
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Carlisle v Morecambe report in the Football League paper STAR MAN Liam Mandeville.
Mr Bentley is proving a shrewd talent spotter,and capable of getting a tune out of players others try and bury.
First sentence equates to "well done Liam", and is thoroughly justified.
Second sentence - you just can't leave it alone can you Brian?.
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Carlisle v Morecambe report in the Football League paper STAR MAN Liam Mandeville.
Mr Bentley is proving a shrewd talent spotter,and capable of getting a tune out of players others try and bury.
Well there's a surprise! Bently is still playing Mandy in the wrong position on the wing rotating him from right to left as the game develops. Although I rate Mandy very highly when it comes to tackling he is pathetic but if Bently released him from his defensive role and just be creative behind the front two he would get more out of him something like the role Copps plays.
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"Mr Bentley is proving a shrewd talent spotter".
Thanks for the recognition guys!
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BB,you have always had it, and you have the photographs to prove it.
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Steve,nope.
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Wilks or Kane will not feature in the short term plans of their clubs and its more likely that they will be pleased with their progress and will content to leave them in Rovers hands . The form of Wilks has dampened a little and this may need addressing as Crawford and May are getting the attention of McCann and he just wants results . With only quarter of the season gone I doubt McCann is convinced what his best starting 11 are , particularly when you consider Tommy Rowe should be returning as well .
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Steve,nope.
So you continue to indirectly slag off GM; after all, it was him who sent Mandeville to Morecambe.
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Was the loan of Mandy a master stroke by GM? or was Mandy being off loaded for whatever reason we don't know about yet? Who knows? but what I do know is that from my research Mandy is proving to be a very good player, fully appreciated at Morecambe and we may well now lose out on.
Just like Selby I think Mandy wasn't given long enough to prove himself by GM. The object of my doing this topic on Mandy was to keep everyone informed of his development and with over 10,000 views on this site proves there is a lot of interest in Mandy's performances.
So I pose the questions...…….Did GM get it right?
Did GM get it wrong?
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We are 4th in the table and scoring plenty. If we were struggling and couldn’t buy a goal, and Mandy was banging them in I’d say it was a mistake. But since neither is the case then so far I’d say we don’t miss him.
The fact he’s getting game time and evidently playing well shows that so far it has been a good move for him - much better than staying and sitting on our bench or moving to a club, like Colchester last year, where he’s in and out of the team.
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Steve, don't jump to conclusions, I don't blame Grant McCann at all for the situation, in four days one doing media work, one 45 minute appearance, one a Sunday and a day off, the transfer agreed Monday and him training with the youth team with Garrett, I don't think he had anything or very little to do with it, Do you?
Our previous manager, or someone higher up in the club made the decision, helped by a manager at Colchester who couldn't have had a brain cell, and repeatedly didn't play him while his side failed to win a game score goals, and f****d getting in the playoffs up when in a good position.
Just three months later he is instrumental in pulling everyone's tip for relegation, and recognised as a poor side from the bottom two to a respectable position in league two.
It strikes me that some people in football cannot see things that are put in front of their nose, and others jump to conclusions.
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We are 4th in the table and scoring plenty. If we were struggling and couldn’t buy a goal, and Mandy was banging them in I’d say it was a mistake. But since neither is the case then so far I’d say we don’t miss him.
The fact he’s getting game time and evidently playing well shows that so far it has been a good move for him - much better than staying and sitting on our bench or moving to a club, like Colchester last year, where he’s in and out of the team.
Plus Charlie Adam looked a relative world beater for Blackpool, all I'm saying...
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I thought Grant McCann watched every Rovers game from last season as preparation for his interview for the job?
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AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
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To be honest, whilst I look for Mandeville's contribution each week when scrolling the results, and certainly want him to do well, this thread is starting to feel like it must be updated every time Mandeville sneezes. I'm glad he's doing well at Morecambe but do we need to see what every single comment about him from their fans says?
Hes probably not going to play for us again and if so, that's how it goes in football. We are 4th in League One and scoring plenty of goals, we aren't missing him even if he could do a job for us.
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I personally like seeing an update on our loan players, especially when they're doing well and showing potential.
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The Tranmere fans want to sign McCullough permanently in January he is playing so well, for an injury hit player he has played every game except the Cheka trade, Tranmere have conceded very few goals since his arrival there, and they are now in a playoff position.
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BB, he can't have, some of the non striking strikers we still have here. Is the clock still ticking?
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I'd have McCullough back like a shot and given a run in the team instead of Whiteman. But I doubt it will happen.
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T T, I would have him back, but Whiteman has done OK, Luke would give us cover in a couple of positions where we are thin on the ground with any injuries, and would have been handy in the last two league games especially.
Like Mandeville I don't expect him to play for us again though, and like Mandeville I expect us to give someone a really cheap bargain, something we have a record of falling for over the years.
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We're 4th in league 1 and banging in loads of goals, but wait a minute, it's not good enough, so let's bring back 2 players who are performing reasonably well with league 2 clubs.
God give me strength.
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AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
BB, that's a slight exaggeration, he may just have a cold. But how else could I have done it without making all my posts it was me doing the research and keeping other members of the forum informed.The reason that I have made lots of comments on this topic is to let those that are interested know how he is doing.
The stat which took me by surprise was not the amount of comments I have made but the amount of views on the topic. I did not think that many whould be interested in how he was doing.
The comments I have posted are those made by Morecambe supporters normally after their last game. I have not chosen just the good comments I have repeated all of the comments made about him. You may have noticed there have been no negative comments, in fact, I am the only one that has criticised Mandy. I think you could take it that their supporters really like what they are getting.
By all means if the topic is not for you just pass it by.
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We're 4th in league 1 and banging in loads of goals, but wait a minute, it's not good enough, so let's bring back 2 players who are performing reasonably well with league 2 clubs.
God give me strength.
Steve, As I pointed out above and in previous comments, I don't see Mandy coming back, in fact, I would recommend that he doesn't come back, that was not the aim of the topic. Other people may have a different opinion that's how the forum works.
All I have tried to do is keep people, those that are interested in how Mandy is doing, informed of how he was doing. In no way have I advocated that Mandy should return.
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Steve, regardless of who McCullough plays for at present, with Houghton leaving he is our only real defensive mid fielder, and can cover centre half, where we are in danger of being short if the ones we have continue to collect bookings.
I can't see any postings saying that either Mandeville or McCullough should be in the team that is playing regularly at the moment. Or that I am unhappy with the manager, or the results, or our standing in the league, all of which I am very happy with. Would they be better back up and strengthen our squad? that is a different argument all together, and is the opinion of individuals on this discussion forum which you may or may not agree with.
You seem to want to put your own interpretation on others postings, that in most cases go off at a tangent.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I am entitled to my opinion, and to respond to others opinion about my postings without getting personal. Something that I find is not always the case in response to my postings by certain people.
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I like the periodical updates 😁
And more importantly I would have liked to see how Mandy would prosper under GM in the current style we play...
So far, GM has rejuvenated players that were being vilified week in week out under the old regime, maybe he could do the same with a fitter more confident Mandy.... I guess we may never find out 😉
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AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
BB, that's a slight exaggeration, he may just have a cold. But how else could I have done it with out make all my posts it was me doing the research and keeping other members of the forum informed.The reason that I have made lots of comments on this topic is to let those that are interested know how he is doing. The comments I have posted are those made by Morecambe supporters normally after their last game. I have not chosen just the good comments I have repeated all of the comments made about him. You may have noticed there have been no negative comments, in fact, I am the only one that has criticised Mandy. I think you could take it that their supporters really like what they are getting.
By all means if the topic is not for you just pass it by.
There's nothing wrong in you reporting on how well Mandy's doing right now mate, the trouble is there are some people who genuinely think that Mandy and McCullough should still be playing for us, despite the fact that we're playing so well.
If they're both playing that well, which they obviously are, then they must be happy at their respective clubs, and the clubs happy with them. The best solution for everyone all round would surely be for them to sign permanently for those clubs in the summer.
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I like the periodical updates 😁
And more importantly I would have liked to see how Mandy would prosper under GM in the current style we play...
So far, GM has rejuvenated players that were being vilified week in week out under the old regime, maybe he could do the same with a fitter more confident Mandy.... I guess we may never find out 😉
If you look back at one of the comments from one of the Morecombe supporters he said that Mandy looked very unfit but did improve within the first few games. I went to watch Mandy play against Swindon and although they lost Mandy showed a great deal of confidence on the ball and he still has the ability to look knackered from the first whistle.
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AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
BB, that's a slight exaggeration, he may just have a cold. But how else could I have done it with out make all my posts it was me doing the research and keeping other members of the forum informed.The reason that I have made lots of comments on this topic is to let those that are interested know how he is doing. The comments I have posted are those made by Morecambe supporters normally after their last game. I have not chosen just the good comments I have repeated all of the comments made about him. You may have noticed there have been no negative comments, in fact, I am the only one that has criticised Mandy. I think you could take it that their supporters really like what they are getting.
By all means if the topic is not for you just pass it by.
There's nothing wrong in you reporting on how well Mandy's doing right now mate, the trouble is there are some people who genuinely think that Mandy and McCullough should still be playing for us, despite the fact that we're playing so well.
If they're both playing that well, which they obviously are, then they must be happy at their respective clubs, and the clubs happy with them. The best solution for everyone all round would surely be for them to sign permanently for those clubs in the summer.
I think that talking about McCullough does take it off topic as the comments should be aimed at Mandy.
I totally agree with you and I think Mandy will move on. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays at a higher level than Donny. I like what I have seen and the kid has something to prove.
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AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
AIMH, the only reason this topic is popular is that it gets resurrected every time Mandy does something good for Morecambe, or Alfie May does something bad for Rovers. Its popularity is not down to people largely in agreement with you, but people mainly disagreeing with you.
I say YOU because you have written about a quarter of the posts!
BB, that's a slight exaggeration, he may just have a cold. But how else could I have done it with out make all my posts it was me doing the research and keeping other members of the forum informed.The reason that I have made lots of comments on this topic is to let those that are interested know how he is doing. The comments I have posted are those made by Morecambe supporters normally after their last game. I have not chosen just the good comments I have repeated all of the comments made about him. You may have noticed there have been no negative comments, in fact, I am the only one that has criticised Mandy. I think you could take it that their supporters really like what they are getting.
By all means if the topic is not for you just pass it by.
There's nothing wrong in you reporting on how well Mandy's doing right now mate, the trouble is there are some people who genuinely think that Mandy and McCullough should still be playing for us, despite the fact that we're playing so well.
If they're both playing that well, which they obviously are, then they must be happy at their respective clubs, and the clubs happy with them. The best solution for everyone all round would surely be for them to sign permanently for those clubs in the summer.
Well I for one would love to have Mandy and McCullough on the bench right now.
Please tell me, do you think they are not better players than Kiyowma, Taylor, Beestin & Ben khemis?
No contest for me.
They would be very useful acquisitions in January if we were able to get them back.
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I'd have McCullough back like a shot and given a run in the team instead of Whiteman. But I doubt it will happen.
McCullough is nowhere near dynamic enough to do the job Whiteman does and he most certainly is not creative enough. Whiteman has been impressive for us this season, I can't believe someone is watching his performances and thinking "I'd rather have McCullough".
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McCullough is a good player who may well progress. The key is that it seems he doesn't fit in with GM's style of play, though for sure would be a great option for choice use off the bench, and general 2nd/3rd level cover. Meanwhile that would cost, much better ways of using our cash and not great for the lad himself.
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I'd have McCullough back like a shot and given a run in the team instead of Whiteman. But I doubt it will happen.
McCullough is nowhere near dynamic enough to do the job Whiteman does and he most certainly is not creative enough. Whiteman has been impressive for us this season, I can't believe someone is watching his performances and thinking "I'd rather have McCullough".
Its all about opinions I know. However I'd say Whiteman has been better than last season but I'd still rather have a fully fit Luke in there. Don't try and say Whiteman is more creative. You've got short memories. Before he got the bad injury McCullough was showing real class. Anyone who went to Rochdale just prior will remember him running the game.
If he can stay injury free and has got back to match fitness, he should walk into this team.
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I'd have McCullough back like a shot and given a run in the team instead of Whiteman. But I doubt it will happen.
McCullough is nowhere near dynamic enough to do the job Whiteman does and he most certainly is not creative enough. Whiteman has been impressive for us this season, I can't believe someone is watching his performances and thinking "I'd rather have McCullough".
Who said prefer. Not me.
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I'd have McCullough back like a shot and given a run in the team instead of Whiteman. But I doubt it will happen.
McCullough is nowhere near dynamic enough to do the job Whiteman does and he most certainly is not creative enough. Whiteman has been impressive for us this season, I can't believe someone is watching his performances and thinking "I'd rather have McCullough".
Its all about opinions I know. However I'd say Whiteman has been better than last season but I'd still rather have a fully fit Luke in there. Don't try and say Whiteman is more creative. You've got short memories. Before he got the bad injury McCullough was showing real class. Anyone who went to Rochdale just prior will remember him running the game.
If he can stay injury free and has got back to match fitness, he should walk into this team.
Aye and I'm just giving mine in response. Hey, i rate McCullough but he is a conventional central defensive midfielder. He can't get about the pitch anywhere near as well as Whiteman. Whiteman is proving his value to our new attacking verve this season, he's been one of our most consistent players in my opinion.
I remember McCullough running the show at Grimsby in a 5-1 win after 9 months out, I know he's very capable but I think McCann rightly recognised he wasn't well suited to our new playing style.
Campsall...I was responding to tommy toes?
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........and I don’t think that Mandeville would prosper in our current team right now either.
I never bought into the Mandeville hype, he only ever impressed me in one of the games he played for us and that was a twenty minute sub appearance when he did make a difference.
Otherwise I found him to be quite lazy.
For that reason alone I don’t think he could cut it for McCann.
Of the 10,0000 views, that is very obviously is based on the same people, myself included, having a look time and again at all football related topics on this forum.
Alick, you say that you didn’t think that that many people would be interested, well it isn’t 10,000 people is it.
I don’t look because I am particularly interested in what a Mandeville is doing at Morecambe.
To be truthful, I am not really bothered what he is doing.
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AIMH, with a dozen or so posts from Selby pulling down current Rovers players (mainly one) in an attempt to score Mandy points, and their subsequent retaliatory responses, you should thank him for his contribution in making this a mammoth thread.
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Steve, regardless of who McCullough plays for at present, with Houghton leaving he is our only real defensive mid fielder, and can cover centre half, where we are in danger of being short if the ones we have continue to collect bookings.
I can't see any postings saying that either Mandeville or McCullough should be in the team that is playing regularly at the moment. Or that I am unhappy with the manager, or the results, or our standing in the league, all of which I am very happy with. Would they be better back up and strengthen our squad? that is a different argument all together, and is the opinion of individuals on this discussion forum which you may or may not agree with.
You seem to want to put your own interpretation on others postings, that in most cases go off at a tangent.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I am entitled to my opinion, and to respond to others opinion about my postings without getting personal. Something that I find is not always the case in response to my postings by certain people.
Them going out on loan, was the right decision. Neither would have been playing for us and rightly so. We are 4th in the table.
If ben whiteman was playing in league 2 or wilks then I’m pretty sure they would be taking the piss.
The decision was best for everyone, giving our fringe players regular football and giving us the opportunity to bring better players in
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There you go BB, mentioning me and making it personal again, your not bad at keeping it going yourself, with your jibes at me and on the off topic brexit thread.
In fact the only time we never heard a peep out of you was when you could have had a £50 charity bet on the apple of your eye and a couple of others thrown in.
Stick to watching the clock, you will have plenty of time on your hands, it's stopped.
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Selby. You made a dozen or so posts on this thread pulling down current Rovers players, mainly one. Because it is essentially a Mandeville appreciation thread I find it frustrating that your approach to expressing how good Mandy is is mainly to suggest how shit other players are. The only thing personal about it is that it is you who made the posts.
As for the Brexit thread, I could be wrong but I thought we were mainly in agreement on that subject?
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...... And what is this £50 charity bet you talk of? And, who is the apple of my eye?
And WTF is this watching the clock all about?
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Can this thread stop being ruined please x
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Just seen Mandeville is joint top of the assists chart in League Two with 4. Coppinger 2nd in League One with 6, nice to see Rovers representing at the top end of the charts in both divisions.
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Let me, with respect to all concerned point out...………..
My objective with this topic was to let the people that were interested know how Mandy was doing on loan at Morecambe, nothing more nothing less.
I think I am the only one who has been to watch Mandy play recently where as most people making comments on Mandy on this forum are at least 12 to 18 months out of date with his development. Things change fast in football and in my opinion Mandy is head and shoulders above his team mates at Morecambe. Could he play a roll for Donny? there is no doubt in my mind he could and would replace Copps in time, remember the clock is ticking for Copps.
As I have said many times "I don't want to see Mandy come back" I want to see him move on and prove his doubters wrong.
All I ask is that we all show due respect to each others comments and revert back to the normal intellegent, humourous ones that are normally expressed on this forum, and if you believe that you will believe anything.
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Just the one very good comment about Mandy from the manager in their last game against Carlisle
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2018/october/reaction--carlisle-united-0-2-morecambe---jim-bentley/
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https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2018/october/liam-mandeville-nominated-for-goal-of-the-month-award/
A cracking goal for Mandy.
Only three players in the short list.
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Cracking goal.
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For anyone who may want to know, Mandeville didn’t score today as Morecambe lost 1-0.
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Hound,
Do I detect a level of sarcasm?
If you want to be fair with the kid its not the goals that he scores that are of great interest its his contribution to the team performance. I feel that Mandy would contribute more and score more goals if he wasn't played out wide on the wing.
You could say the same of Copps no goals today but was he effective for his team and my guess would be that he was.
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Hound,
Do I detect a level of sarcasm?
If you want to be fair with the kid its not the goals that he scores that are of great interest its his contribution to the team performance. I feel that Mandy would contribute more and score more goals if he wasn't played out wide on the wing.
You could say the same of Copps no goals today but was he effective for his team and my guess would be that he was.
I was just giving the forum an update on what happened with him today, for those who may be interested.
As for Coppinger, his contribution to the Rovers today included goals a result of two of his corners.
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I really wish you hadn’t hound, I was hoping this thread would drift down the list and off the front page..... oh look what I just did
;)
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What's wrong with people having an interest in how one of our players is doing?
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Hound,
Do I detect a level of sarcasm?
If you want to be fair with the kid its not the goals that he scores that are of great interest its his contribution to the team performance. I feel that Mandy would contribute more and score more goals if he wasn't played out wide on the wing.
You could say the same of Copps no goals today but was he effective for his team and my guess would be that he was.
I was just giving the forum an update on what happened with him today, for those who may be interested.
As for Coppinger, his contribution to the Rovers today included goals a result of two of his corners.
I really wish you hadn’t hound, I was hoping this thread would drift down the list and off the front page..... oh look what I just did
Donny,
Why on earth a small number of people take exception to this posting I just don't know...……
I will say it again...…….if you are not interested in how Mandy is doing at Morecambe don't read the comments, is it so hard to do?
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I checked their game at half time and it said they had had zero shots on goal. Not from Mandeville or anyone else, at home as well. Must've been fun for their fans.
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I’m genuinely interested to hear how Mandeville is getting along so personally I have no issue at all with the concept of the thread. I’m pleased he seems to be doing well. But to even mention him in the same breath as Coppinger is an astonishing misjudgement.
Coppinger is arguably our greatest ever player and continues to defy logic with the level of his performances. Hopefully Mandeville has a decent career but he is not and never will be anywhere near the level of Coppinger. That’s not an insult to Mandeville, it’s just a fact and it would be setting the benchmark way too high to draw such a ludicrous comparison.
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Hound, watch the highlights of both the Carlisle and Colchester games, it looks like you are ignoring the great ball he put through and was missed against Colchester by the striker, and his passage of quick interplay against Carlisle.
Very reminiscent of Coppingers play to me, it is there for you to watch on the EFL playbacks.
Give the lad credit, he has gone there to a poorish team, played well and has stood out as a player, and has had the skill and ability to reinvent himself into a more rounded player that fits in with the way the manager with slim resources wants him to play.
Other teams will take notice, and if he does not stay at Morecambe he will get fixed up with a league club, as will McCullough, not all we release will do that at the end of the season.
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I’m genuinely interested to hear how Mandeville is getting along so personally I have no issue at all with the concept of the thread. I’m pleased he seems to be doing well. But to even mention him in the same breath as Coppinger is an astonishing misjudgement.
Coppinger is arguably our greatest ever player and continues to defy logic with the level of his performances. Hopefully Mandeville has a decent career but he is not and never will be anywhere near the level of Coppinger. That’s not an insult to Mandeville, it’s just a fact and it would be setting the benchmark way too high to draw such a ludicrous comparison.
I have never said that Mandy is as good as the master Copps right now Mandy is only 21 with bags of time to improve. I have watched him play this season and watched all his highlights and there is a similarity of Copps in his play. His manager is playing Mandy out of position but when he leaves the wing Mandy's set up play is superb. It has been said he is playing in a week team and I would think a bigger club will pick him up by the end of the season. Mandy has something to prove and with a little luck he will do it.
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More comments from Morecambe supporters after the Colchester game!
If you are not interested in this topic DONT READ IT, IT COULD DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH.
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Is there a better player in league 2(in his position) ? I doubt it , awesome performance yesterday, he was kicked, body checked, elbowed, and still came up with a performance which would not have looked out of place in the championship, at the end he came off battered and bruised, instead of the usual handshake from the opposition, they gave him a man hug,as if to say you were a bloody handful today mate.
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Colchester were pulling and shoving him all match with little protection from the referee.
He is too good for league 2 and I fear someone higher up will sign him next Summer.
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On 88 minutes Jim told him to slow down!!
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I saw Mandeville limping off the pitch at the end looking far from happy shaking his head , is this another injury to add to the growing list ?
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He got cramp just as the final whistle blew , so hopefully not another for the list.
We used to get updates on injuries in the programme at one time but this seems to have gone.
I think Steve Old will struggle to displace either Lavelle or Yarney who both were excellent yesterday.
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Contrary to most opinion, I thought Mandeville was a bit below his best yesterday. Still a very good, battling performance, but one or two stray balls, just something that he rarely does.
Absolutely quality player, always very assured on the ball.
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I thought it was a season long loan ? He better had be or i want me money back
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Alick the list of football supporters who don't know what they are talking about is getting longer every week.
Just ask RJ and RA.
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Alick the list of football supporters who don't know what they are talking about is getting longer every week.
Just ask RJ and RA.
Any need to bring this thread into dispute again with a comment like that? I want to read about Mandys recent form. Not another 2 page of b*llocks of the same folk firing shots at each other.
Thank you for the update Alick.
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Ah yes because he's doing well in a LOWER DIVISION that obviously means he'll slot right into our system and be the dog's b*llocks eh.
Can't f**king leave it alone can you.
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Calm down boys its a forum not a boxing ring different opinions are welcome.
Lets get back to humour and intelligence to get your views across.
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Alick the list of football supporters who don't know what they are talking about is getting longer every week.
Just ask RJ and RA.
I had actually taken the advice of Alick and others and decided to just move on from this thread instead of continuing to comment about you or Mandy. Shame you feel the need to drag it all up again.
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I’m sure the man hugs would have been down to him being an ex team mate last season.
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dickos1,
I just don't get your comment suggesting “it was down to the ex team mates to explain the “Man Hugs” after the game.
You seem to ignore the rest of the comments about Mandy's performance eg
“ an awesome performance yesterday, he was kicked, body checked, elbowed, and still came up with a performance which would not have looked out of place in the championship"
I have not read one negative comment about Mandy during his time at Morecambe and he's 15/16 games in to the season. He's lazy, inconsistent, unfit, disinterested, not committed etc. Not one bad comment and if I had found one I would have posted it,in fact, if you look back I am the only one that has been critical of Mandy's performance, he can't tackle.
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I didn’t mean anything by it,
Just I think that the hugging at the end of the game will be more to do with him being friends with their players rather than them hugging him because they think he played well.
I’m happy he’s doing well, he’s a good player and hopefully this spell will get his head right and we offer him a contract, cause I’ve no doubt he will be a good player at league 1 level and maybe championship in the future
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dickos,
I totally agree with you.
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Maybe this topic should be “ informative “ only....
No comments allowed, just people reading and being happy that he’s doing well...
I don’t understand the negativity or vitriol surrounding the issues...Mandeville is one of OUR players until he isn’t....and I for one hope that GM is keeping close tabs on a player getting good reviews whilst being played out of position.....
We shall see what is in GMs thoughts later in the season I feel
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dickos,
I totally agree with you.
Really?
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dickos,
I totally agree with you.
Really?
To be precise Hound,
dickos said:
"I’m happy he’s doing well, he’s a good player and hopefully this spell will get his head right and we offer him a contract, cause I’ve no doubt he will be a good player at league 1 level and maybe championship in the future"
I agree but not sure about him coming back!
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Another assist setting up Morecambe's first goal, and also brought down in the box for a penalty, however missed by another player.
A supporter commented on their forum that the game changed when he was brought off and they ended the game hanging on to a win against Yeovil.
Meanwhile over at Tranmere their defence kept another clean sheet and keep climbing the table since McCullough went there, and he looks to be well over his injury problems hardly missing any playing time since he went there.
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Selby,
You beat me to it, I was in bed for 9.30 last night, shattered and I thought the M25 was bad the M11 was worse! both ways.
I don't understand why Mandy never took the penalty because he seems to take all the dead ball kicks.
I posed a couple of questions on the Morecambe supporters forum just now and waiting to see any replies.
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Putting a link to the Morecambe forum would be great. 🎆🎈✨🎉
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Putting a link to the Morecambe forum would be great. 🎆🎈✨🎉
Try the thread at the top of the forum called Links to other forums or Google.
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A few more comments from their Forum:
Their forum...……...http://giraffe.arvixe.com/~iomkeith/shrimpsvoices/viewforum.php?f=1
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He had another excellent game. Superb pass to A-Jay for our first goal. He was fouled for the penalty that would have put us 2-0 up had we scored it.
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I think he was subbed because we were hanging on a bit and Yeovil were looking like equalising so Jim took Mandy off to put a holding midfielder on and it worked.
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In a nutshell GS. The lad is in my opinion..” worth his weight in gold.” Always the potential to do something special at any point during the game.
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He had a few classy touches but otherwise I thought he had a quiet game. Oates was livelier on the opposite flank, hence Mandy gave way for the substitution.
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I'd have rather he stayed on rather than bring in Kev to replace him. At least Liam can defend.
Man of the match last home game as well.
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Bring him back I always thought he did ok until DF fell out with him
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Phil,
I don't see Mandy coming back and OK it looks like Fergy couldn't manage Mandy but it was GM who put Mandy out on a year long loan having made his opinion in a matter of days of seeing him play.
Mandy has something to prove and he is going the right way to do it. In my opinion, having watched that poor game at Charlton,Mandy is better than we have got at Donny, a waste of talent.
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This the nearest I have had to a negative comment about Mandy from Morecambe and appears to be a regular comment made about him at Donny.
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He was clearly unfit when he came here, the Crewe game highlighted that but we were collectively crap that day anyway. Jim is good at handling "lost" players and you can now see a confident Mandy who never stops running for the cause.
You can see he's enjoying it here and will probably know the consequences of stepping out of line.
Hopefully we can hang onto him for an extended period
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A few more comments from Morecambe:
I asked them to be critical of Mandy and I took negative quotes about Mandy from our forum, because all I have read are positive comments from Morecambe. This is what I got:
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Fitness was maybe an issue when he arrived. As Marky says, he looked leggy and knackered playing at Crewe but his fitness seemed to build quickly after that.
Despite our poor league position, we’ve generally played good football on the deck which suits a player like Mandeville. I can imagine if he was put in a very physical game and starved of passes to his feet, he’d struggle.
No complaints to make of him so far, and I suspect we might even be yet to see the best of him.
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When Mande steps on that pitch,it is a case of what level of good we get. For me “ good” is his absolute base line, and upward from there. What more can a manager or supporter ask of a player. There was obviously something well amiss with his management at Doncaster, well done again,that top man Jim Bentley.
Not sure I agree with him having any issue with physicality in games, all pretty tough in Lge2.
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Looked upset when he was taken off but he's shown to date that he's a cut above many other EFL 2 midfielders and as much as I'd love him to stay come June i suspect he will be off to pastures new BUT will he become just a squad player used sparingly or prefer a regular place in our developing team?
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I love it that Mandy is doing well at Morecambe.
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Not a bad day at the office................................
https://www.skysports.com/football/morecambe-vs-yeovil/393846
He's definitely grown in to the season and as others have said, despite results, we've been playing some really nice, neat football. As the players are gaining more awareness of each other, as a team, we're continuing to improve. The style is suiting Mandeville. That said, other players have been improving too. In my opinion, on Saturday, Oates was much better than Mandeville. That's not to say he had a poor game, simply not as good as some around him. We've also got players like Mills, who is my player of the season so far, playing really well. I think this may benefit Mandeville, as he won't have any 'Billy big-b*llocks' attitude, and he's going to remain focussed. I certainly hope we manage to sign him permanently come the end of the season. Jim Bentley has saved a fair few careers and turned players around. It would be nice to have one who is young enough that we get a bit more out of them, then maybe even some cash in 18 months time!
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Mandy's all round game has improved 100% from when we first saw him. He wasn't that effective when tracking back and trying to win the ball back. Now for a creative midfielder he's become more effective in tracking back and his tenacity to win the ball back is commendable considering how he was unable to do before. He's certainly become a team player, which is something that Jim and Co have always been able to get new recruits to become despite their possible reputations.
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More comments on our Mandy: It looks like Mandy is a marked man in the 2nd division, you take Mandy out and Morecambe are not so good.
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Inexplicably hooked after 54 mins.
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He did ok, I was a tad surprised that he came off.
We were struggling to break Halifax down, so he and AJ ended up coming very deep to get onto the ball which wasn’t working, hence I guess putting Ellison and Oswell on to go more direct.
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Thought he had a poor game and was targeted by Halifax who were kicking him all the time.
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He may not have been having his best game, but we went downhill after he came off. Even on a bad day, he's better than others.
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Halifax had done their homework with regard Mandeville, and he certainly came in for some “heavy tackles.” For me, he still had a decent game, and always has the potential to do something a bit special. The lad doesn’t know how to have a “poor” game. Should never be subbed, except for injury or rest reasons, in my opinion. He just carries that threat at any stage.
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Odelusi should have been booked in the first fifteen minutes for a very late tackle on Mandy, he did the same in the second half to get booked, should have been off!
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With Oates going off injured, Mandy became even more vital for us. We ended up with a 40yr old and a slow target man on the wings.
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TBF, Ajay went right wing and Oswell down the middle, but Kev stayed left, but they all moved around to create space, but it didn't make much difference. Oates and Mandy were missed!
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Add to that, Tranmere shipped three goals in a game without McCullough, not done that for how long.
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Sounds like the next Messi
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Is it a season loan or just till January?
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Crickey Mandeville must be Messi in disguise.
Get him back ASAP, we can win the league with him in our team.
By the way, according to a report I read, he went off after trying to make a tackle, fouled their player and got injured himself.
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Is it a season loan or just till January?
Season. Although we might have a clause in to recall him in January.
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Crickey Mandeville must be Messi in disguise.
Get him back ASAP, we can win the league with him in our team.
By the way, according to a report I read, he went off after trying to make a tackle, fouled their player and got injured himself.
Would you like to see Mandy in a rovers shirt doing well?
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Crickey Mandeville must be Messi in disguise.
Get him back ASAP, we can win the league with him in our team.
By the way, according to a report I read, he went off after trying to make a tackle, fouled their player and got injured himself.
Why the sarcasm Hound? Out of all the positive comments made about Mandy and you have to pick on one that is not.
You almost sound as you don't like it that Mandy has done well at Morecambe. The kid is not coming back couldn't you just put the sarcasm to one side and wish the kid well, he's one of our own after all. Here are some more comments direct from Morecambe supporters in fact there are no negative comments to report.
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Halifax certainly realised that our creativity in midfield was Mandy and from the first minute earmarked him for some rough treatment. It wasn't unexpected however but as others have said as soon as he went off we lost direction and allowed Halifax to be more influential in midfield than they had been.
Oates was injured and had to come off to mitigate and serious injury.
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Something I like about Mandy is he never ducks the rough stuff which is rare for a flair player. He takes plenty of knocks but always gets back up on his feet without causing a fuss.
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He's got a good temperament, and seems settled and enjoying his football, getting picked every week.
He was wanting the ball all game and doesn't shirk responsibility.
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Crickey Mandeville must be Messi in disguise.
Get him back ASAP, we can win the league with him in our team.
By the way, according to a report I read, he went off after trying to make a tackle, fouled their player and got injured himself.
Would you like to see Mandy in a rovers shirt doing well?
Yes I would, but he won’t because IMO he isnt good enough for L1.
His good spell for us was in L2 and he is currently in L2 where he is doing ok.
As I have said before, he only ever impressed me in one twenty minute spell when he came on a sub and actually did well.
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Hound,who has impressed you playing in his position in the last 18 months? I will let you name players. And was that twenty minutes his last game against Rochdale in the cup? or when he came on against Scunthorpe in the cup and scored? as he was not given many other chances, or Portsmouth when he scored and played as a lone striker?
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Hound,who has impressed you playing in his position in the last 18 months? I will let you name players. And was that twenty minutes his last game against Rochdale in the cup? or when he came on against Scunthorpe in the cup and scored? as he was not given many other chances, or Portsmouth when he scored and played as a lone striker?
That comment about whose impressed in the last 18 months shows why we need have needed a better player/ striker and players we had and still have are not good enough for the second striker role.
GM must find a player who can fill that role and put pressure on Marquis with goals and overall play of course. The ones we have which are nearly men should not be offered contracts in the summer.
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Hound,who has impressed you playing in his position in the last 18 months? I will let you name players. And was that twenty minutes his last game against Rochdale in the cup? or when he came on against Scunthorpe in the cup and scored? as he was not given many other chances, or Portsmouth when he scored and played as a lone striker?
What is Mandevilles position?
As for which game it was, as I don't keep a spreadsheet of all his matches and individual kicks of the ball, I am not sure.
Vaguely, I think it was one of the many games he didn't score in, and was probably a league game as I don't attend second team JPT games.
I also think it may have been a game we lost.
I do remember saying to my mate at the time that he had done well and that it was the first time his performance had stood out as a good one.
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Hound,
When did you actually last see Mandy play football? 6/12/18 months ago? Things change fast in football and if you read the comments from Morecambe supporters they don't seem to tie up with your comments in fact they totally disagree. He is 21 with a bright career in front of him and something to prove.
I was at Charlton and I will be at the Wimbledon game even though the team are not playing well and its a 320 mile round journey. From what I have seen and heard from the comments from Morecambe the kid has something to offer our team. But its because of comments like "HE IS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH", (and Hound is one of the good guys), made about him he won't be coming back and I think we lost a gem for whatever reason he was sent out on loan, perhaps he has now seen the light
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Hound,
When did you actually last see Mandy play football? 6/12/18 months ago? Things change fast in football and if you read the comments from Morecambe supporters they don't seem to tie up with your comments in fact they totally disagree. He is 21 with a bright career in front of him and something to prove.
I was at Charlton and I will be at the Wimbledon game even though the team are not playing well and its a 320 mile round journey. From what I have seen and heard from the comments from Morecambe the kid has something to offer our team. But its because of comments like "HE IS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH", (and Hound is one of the good guys), made about him he won't be coming back and I think we lost a gem for whatever reason he was sent out on loan, perhaps he has now seen the light
I last saw him play whenever his last first team game was at the Keepmoat.
I really don't think that comments made by supporters on a fans forum would have any bearing on why Ferguson and McCann have deemed him to be not good enough, or suitable enough, for us.
As I keep saying, his best (short) spell for us was in L2 and he seems to be doing ok at Morecambe, in L2.
He didn't cut the mustard for us in L1.
Maybe he has seen the light, as you say.
Maybe he could come back to a club in L1 and show that he can hold his own in that division and we will only know if he gets the opportunity.
Will there be a club that gives him an opportunity.
I have nothing against the lad but I just didn't see enough quality or passion for the game from him when he played for us and so have formed an opinion based on what I have seen, not just from fans forums or video clips of a pass he may have made to set up a goal. ( I know you made a special trip to watch him for some reason).
I remember when we signed Kongolo on loan and the video clips that were on youtube were really impressive but he only fleetingly did it for us.
If by chance he does get another opportunity to play for us he will get my backing when he is on the pitch and if he has improved as much as one or two people are hyping him up about then I stand to be corrected.
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The reason I made a special journey to watch Mandy is that I totally disagree with your opinion of Mandy and I wanted to speak from a position of authority. I was looking for signs that he was a good player and that he had been treated unfairly at Donny and should have been nurtured for the future.
I saw a player who split defences with quick accurate passing this he did and was man of the match.
His weakness on the day was his tackling and tracking back. Why on earth the manager played him out wide on the wing and demanding he tracked back baffles me.
I have just had my ankle screwed back together again and at 68 I could still tackle better than Mandy. Obviously he is still a player that is developing and I am romancing a little.
Hound I take it the last time you saw him play was at least 18 months ago? that's a long time ago.
I am hoping that your opinion on Mandy comes back and bites you, let Selby be the unbiased judge!
Back to painting and decorating.
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Alickismyhero.
We have differing opinions (which we both already know) and there is nothing wrong with that.
You did make me laugh however with the comment about the unbiased judge.
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This is ridiculously boring!!!!!!! Can't you just personal message each other about your irrelevant Mandy views and let normal forum life just carry on without all this childish argument and bickering about something that you have no control over. How sad.
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Having read about Alick's ankle, and knowing about your Knee Hound, It's the NHS. that we should be worried about mate.
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I like the fact we are on 11 pages about Mandy.
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Having read about Alick's ankle, and knowing about your Knee Hound, It's the NHS. that we should be worried about mate.
Ha, cheers selby mate.
By the way, I have a hospital appointment with a surgeon for an assessment on the knee next Wednesday.
If I get a good result I am hoping to be back playing before too long.
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This is ridiculously boring!!!!!!! Can't you just personal message each other about your irrelevant Mandy views and let normal forum life just carry on without all this childish argument and bickering about something that you have no control over. How sad.
Arksey if you think this is bad you should have witness the "take over" attempt.
Its a forum anyone is welcome to agree or disagree but it is important that you say why.
My posting on Mandy is geared to keep people informed of how he is doing on loan. Some members are interested and some are not.
Those who are not should just bypass the topic.
Hound and me disagree about Mandy and to be fair he justifies his view, I happen to disagree, that's how the forum works.
The majority of my comments are taken directly from the Morecambe forum, supporters comments. I have yet to read one bad comment about Mandy now just think about the bad comments about our players on this forum.
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Having read about Alick's ankle, and knowing about your Knee Hound, It's the NHS. that we should be worried about mate.
Ha, cheers selby mate.
By the way, I have a hospital appointment with a surgeon for an assessment on the knee next Wednesday.
If I get a good result I am hoping to be back playing before too long.
Selby, if Hound gets back to playing could you do a topic on him suggesting whether or not he should be loaned out. I know that you would be unbiased.
Its my 5th break of my right ankle and at 68 I will not be making a come back.
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Having read about Alick's ankle, and knowing about your Knee Hound, It's the NHS. that we should be worried about mate.
Ha, cheers selby mate.
By the way, I have a hospital appointment with a surgeon for an assessment on the knee next Wednesday.
If I get a good result I am hoping to be back playing before too long.
Selby, if Hound gets back to playing could you do a topic on him suggesting whether or not he should be loaned out. I know that you would be unbiased.
Its my 5th break of my right ankle and at 68 I will not be making a come back.
Why would he want to loan out his best player?
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Alick, I was there the last time he got injured, and it was a bad one, he will do well to get back, time is against him.
I like the tactical bodyswerve though, claiming he does not know what positions Mandy can play, for a guy of his football experience and knowledge not to say who has impressed him, as I was interested to know who had, and if he considered them division one standard.
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Now now selby.
I was asking what Mandevilles position is because I need to know who I would be comparing him to.
Morecambe play him on the wing.
You tell me he has played as a lone striker (didn’t Marquis play that day) and I hear that he is also a number ten type second striker.
If I know who I am comparing him to I can have a go at answering your question.
By the way, how come time is against me, I am only 66.
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Would he be ant worse than Wilks on.the left? Better technically I would say, just lacks that pace.
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Not much to report on Mandy this week:
Subbed after 66mins it reads as though his manager was determined not to lose this game and Mandy never fitted in with his plan. I was not able to find out if Mandy had a bad game but I was able to get Morecambe's highlights.
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I wasn't there, but all reports seem to say it just wasn't quite happening for him - likely because we were more on the back foot.
I think it does need to be considered that players of Mandeville's ilk (ones there to create) are inevitably going to have some games when they drift. Attacking players like him are judged on their tangible output, and when things aren't falling their way etc they will often get the hook for another option. Generally seems to be how it is for that style of player.
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https://www.fgr.co.uk/news/november-2018/highlights-forest-green-rovers-0-morecambe-1
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every time Morecambe score for some reason* I automatically look for his name (being sad) don't think he has scored in the league
i'm wondering which is going to happen first him score (no disrespect to him) or Chesterfield win a league match
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* like what he did in that Exeter away match
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Mandy has scored a league goal, a stunning goal against Bury,and a goal in a cup game. What you have to bear in mind is that Mandy is now played wide on the right wing with a defensive role. Mandy should be at least played in an attacking midfield roll but no the manager in his wisdom plays him with a defensive tracking back roll. So he is not going to score goals.
More comments from Morecambe............
I was there, and yes, we were absolutely under the cosh for most of the game. But for me Mande was playing his part within it,trying to make things happen where and when possible. He also had a couple of decent shots on goal. As I have said before, for me he is a player who has the potential to turn a game at any point. He also got a couple of compliments on the FGR forum. Disappointed for the lad.
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If this were only so, it would be a massive coup for the club. That goal against Bury was stunning and definitely no fluke. Mandeville for years to come? YES!
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I am not connected with Mandy in any way. He is a kid I think has to get his finger out and make a career out of football. I am not concerned with what went wrong with Donny, although I would like to know what went wrong, just get on with the game and prove the doubters wrong.
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No new comments this week. The highlights of the game are below. Try to ignore the oppositions goal as Mandy could be partly to blame. I think it prove that Mandy should not have a tracking back roll he just can't tackle. He is a play maker and is dangerous in and around the box, why put him wide I just don't know.
https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2018/november/highlights--halifax-town-v-morecambe/
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Try to ignore the oppositions goal as Mandy could be partly to blame.
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A balanced view from a Morecambe supporter on a poor performance by Mandy.......................
As you will probably be aware, Morecambe were involved in a, to put it politely,” lack lustre “ effort against Halifax on Tue night. I am a big fan of Mande, but for me, he had his worst game in a Morecambe shirt, since the drubbing we took at Crewe in the opening match of the season. I feel that he holds a big responsibility for Halifax scoring their goal. A few fans on the forum have since started to post a few negative comments, which they are entitled to do. That said, I am confident that he is, and will continue to be appreciated at Morecambe.
Mande, stay with The Shrimps.
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Will be interesting to see how he copes then now when everything isn’t as Rosy
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Wonder how many things we have to try and ignore then... :)
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On what was in the highlights of that game and others, his crossing was excellent, he was prepared to run at defenders (partly why he did so well at Exeter when he came on as sub and scored), he moves around well finding space, but... something lacking in the engine or the mind behind the engine. He could have pressured that goalscorer, been agressive and decisive rather than leaving it to the defender.
Maybe that's just the one occasion or maybe it reflects his game overall. Definitely has potential but from what I've seen not quite sharp or punchy enough for League 1. Add a bit of aggression, a bit more ball control and he's just about there.
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I'd say his control isn't in need of much improvement actually its one thing he's got in abundance. Agree on the aggression/sharpness though
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I have seen Mandy play this season and I have watched all the replays of his games and I am of the opinion the kid is a gem. For me his last game proves the point I have made many times Mandy cannot tackle for toffee
The natural position for Mandy is behind the front two in a 4-3-1-2 system of play. Morecambe are playing Mandy out of position, his strength is his clever, fast intricate passing in and around the box and the occasional great goal.
By putting Mandy out on the wing and demanding he tracks back is a waste of his talent. Just look at what happened to Donny when Fergy played players out of position, Copps at full back!!!! really.
You will notice I have put all the comments made about Mandy, good and bad, and on the whole the kid is doing well.
Mandy is now a marked man in Division 2 and teams know by taking him out they stop Morecame from playing well just a little like Kane in the Wimbledon game.
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On what was in the highlights of that game and others, his crossing was excellent, he was prepared to run at defenders (partly why he did so well at Exeter when he came on as sub and scored), he moves around well finding space, but... something lacking in the engine or the mind behind the engine. He could have pressured that goalscorer, been agressive and decisive rather than leaving it to the defender.
Maybe that's just the one occasion or maybe it reflects his game overall. Definitely has potential but from what I've seen not quite sharp or punchy enough for League 1. Add a bit of aggression, a bit more ball control and he's just about there.
I am glad someone else agrees with me that he isn’t up to L1 standard.
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I don't go along with you Hound but we won't find out until he gets to the 1st div.
Below is another comment from a Morecambe supporter I have talked to..........................
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As you say aimh, tracking back, tackling and physicality are not his forte. That said, I still feel that this season he has shown grit and a willingness to get stuck in, oftain under some heavy, not totally legal “flack” from our opponents.
I think you are correct though. Mande’s real strengths.......well read, accurate, cutting passes, along with that element of “trickery” he has with the ball at his feet, would serve us even better, if he played in a more central attacking roll.
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I have been saying this for a very long time and I would like their Manager to play the kid to his strengths and not plug gaps in his team by playing him out of position.
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You don’t have to agree with me Alick but that doesn’t make you right either.
Why don’t you call the Morecambe manager and tell him where he is going wrong?
I find it interesting that there are some negative posts about him on the Morecambe fans forum.
Perhaps he has found his level and sometimes struggles to keep it up.
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I have seen Mandy play this season
I think we’ve got that, you mentioned it a couple of times before.
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I don't agree with you on this subject Hound, but then I am a cussed old sod, the funniest thing to me on this thread,is that posters who feigned disinterest in this thread pages back are still posting on it.
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Selby, I read all the football related threads mate.
I like to have an input if I have an opinion on something.
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Hound, I was not on about you, people have posted on past pages they are bored now, recon to be yawning, and other things to make it look like they are bored with the thread, yet are still posting, I find that amusing. I rate Mandeville as you know, that is why I said I disagree with you, you are of course entitled to your opinion, and I would be the last to want to stop your comments which I mostly agree with and always find interesting, and have in the past changed my mind and have agreed with your stance after reading some of your comments.
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You don’t have to agree with me Alick but that doesn’t make you right either.
Why don’t you call the Morecambe manager and tell him where he is going wrong?
I find it interesting that there are some negative posts about him on the Morecambe fans forum.
Perhaps he has found his level and sometimes struggles to keep it up.
You don’t have to agree with me Alick but that doesn’t make you right either.
"but thats the way a forum works its about opinions,expessing them, hopefully, in a respectful way. You don't think he is good enough for the 1st div and I happen to think he is and as I said we will only find out if and when he plays there".
Why don’t you call the Morecambe manager and tell him where he is going wrong?
Is that a serious suggestion? but if the opportunity arose I would of course express my opinion. I think we have about 7000 supporters with varying views like me, the manager would have little time for anything else! Managers do make mistakes and to quote the one I quoted earlier, Copps at full back!!! He never set the world alight did he and thats the same for Mandy he is being played out of position and is still doing well.
I have a great deal of respect for Copps but in the past I have even read bad comments about Copps performances on this forum, it goes with the job. Come to think of it I made a comment about Copps having a poor game against Wimbledon, it happens, doesn't make him a bad player does it?
I think it is funny how you mention the negative comments but never the positive comments! Now tell the truth, does Mandy have more negative comments compared to the positive ones?
Just look at the abuse Marquis got the other night I certainly would not go along with that abuse, does that make him a bad player, not for me.
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I may be remembering this incorrectly but didn’t Copps play RB in an emergency?
For some reason or another I seem to recall us being without a recognised RB at the time.
I think it is fair to say that Copps will have had plenty of games where he has impressed people over a long time and yes, of course it is true that players have bad games.
They all do.
I keep saying that Mandeville has only fleetingly impressed me and it is probably fair to also say that he won’t have impressed as many people and done it as often as Coppinger has.
You may be interested to know that I have been compared to Copps.
Someone told me that compared to him I am rubbish.
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I have seen Mandy play this season
I think we’ve got that, you mentioned it a couple of times before.
Yes, sorry I am aware of that. What I was respectfully making clear, aimed at the people who may not have read my earlier comments, is that my views are based on having watched him play this season nothing more whereas some opinions expressed are way out of date.
Sometimes to make a point I find it difficult not to repeat myself but I will make an effort not to in the future. I do appreciate it that you at least have read the earlier posts.
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I may be remembering this incorrectly but didn’t Copps play RB in an emergency?
For some reason or another I seem to recall us being without a recognised RB at the time.
I think it is fair to say that Copps will have had plenty of games where he has impressed people over a long time and yes, of course it is true that players have bad games.
They all do.
I keep saying that Mandeville has only fleetingly impressed me and it is probably fair to also say that he won’t have impressed as many people and done it as often as Coppinger has.
You may be interested to know that I have been compared to Copps.
Someone told me that compared to him I am rubbish.
Yes he did, a few games in the Championship.
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I may be remembering this incorrectly but didn’t Copps play RB in an emergency?
For some reason or another I seem to recall us being without a recognised RB at the time.
I think it is fair to say that Copps will have had plenty of games where he has impressed people over a long time and yes, of course it is true that players have bad games.
They all do.
I keep saying that Mandeville has only fleetingly impressed me and it is probably fair to also say that he won’t have impressed as many people and done it as often as Coppinger has.
You may be interested to know that I have been compared to Copps.
Someone told me that compared to him I am rubbish.
Funny you should say that about five years ago I was playing cricket in Wendover. The Umpire was falling about laughing and pointing at me. I went over to him and asked whats all the laughter about? The batsman is convinced you are Sean Connery! I told the Umpire that's not the case, Sean Connery looks like me.
True story.
That's the point I was making Copps was put there to fill a gap and that's what has happened to Mandy to a greater degree, he fills a hole on the right when he should be in more central position to get the best out of him, in my opinion.
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But Copps only played a very few games there in an emergency, not a third of the season.
Our manager soon moved him back to his best position.
The Morecambe manager may not share the same opinion as you.
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But Copps only played a very few games there in an emergency, not a third of the season.
Our manager soon moved him back to his best position.
The Morecambe manager may not share the same opinion as you.
Obviously the Morecambe manager does not agree with me and that's his opinion but if he played him the way I suggested I think he would get more out of the kid.
I thought Fergy was trying Copps out to see if, with his experience, he could extend his career at full back. AS you say he was keen to get Copps back in his best position but that's not happened for Mandy yet Mandy still gets more positive comments than negative ones at Morecambe or am I wrong with that? I would be interested to hear your view on that.
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First of all, it wasn’t Ferguson who played Copps at RB.
That happened when we were in the Championship.
As for comments on Mandeville, as I don’t read the Morecambe fans forum I only see what you post on here.
I have no doubt that you are giving an accurate picture of what you see on their forum and he is obviously doing ok for them.
The point I am making though is nothing to do with that though is it.
I am of the opinion that L2 is his level at best and that he isn’t good or tough enough to play at a higher level.
I guess that only time will let me know whether I am right.
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Dont worry there will be plenty of others there to remind you - as well as "time" :lol:
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More comments from Morecambe supporters>>>>>>>
It looks like along with his team Mandy had a poor game today and it sounds like the Manger played him in the middle, what do I know?
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Its happening again. Mandy off, 1.0 down, 10 minutes to go and 4 or 5 strikers with 1 defender.
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Mandy had another poor game, although he wasn't alone. Speaks volumes when the player who replaced him for the last half an hour got Man of the Match!
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Probably wouldn't have been my first choice to be subbed, but he was poor today. Looked anonymous in the middle, had one spark with a long shot. His crossing, especially from corners, was dreadful.
Still looks lively, I'm sure he'll bounce back especially if he had a dangerous out ball to work with.
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Mandy is becoming a scapegoat. How you could single him out as poor in that first half is beyond me.
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Not scapegoat at all, but this thread is about Mandeville! He's being "singled out" by virtue of being the subject of the thread. Do you think that he wasn't poor today?
If you want to start a thread for each other player who was on the pitch today, you won't find many not being described as having a 'poor game'! Tutte worked hard. Ellison made a difference when he came on. Lavelle was okay (although I think he was probably at fault for their goal, but not 100% sure if it was him?)
The whole team were below par again against a poor Notts County. I'm still a Mandeville fan and know he'll come back strong... I just hope he comes back strong soon!
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A quiet first half for Mande, but definitely not on his own. Second half,he started like a different player. Invloved in our two most threatening bits of play all game, within minutes........then gets subbed AGAIN. He is going to get well pi$$ed off if it carries on.
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Agreed. Not singling Mandeville out, but I was looking forward to seeing if playing in the middle gave him a bit more freedom, and he didn't have a good game. I'm sure he'll be back on form soon, but today he was way off it.
He was better in the second half, but didn't even get 10 minutes so impossible to judge!
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Looks like they’re turning on him
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How many of those comments do we need to ignore?
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How many of those comments do we need to ignore?
Ignore this one,
The system wasn't the best for Mandy. The middle was very compact with hardly any room to move. Other teams will watch our games and its pretty obvious Mandy is our only spark. He is closed down pretty sharpish. Going back to the system, it looked horribly like the 7-0-3 of last season.
I don't hold back on the comments positive or negative about Mandy, I put them all on the forum.
I find it fascinating how some supporters are so keen to highlight the negative comments to make a point when in fact there are many, many more positive comments made about him are just ignored.
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More comments from Morecambe supporters>>>>>>>
It looks like along with his team Mandy had a poor game today and it sounds like the Manger played him in the middle, what do I know?
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Its happening again. Mandy off, 1.0 down, 10 minutes to go and 4 or 5 strikers with 1 defender.
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Mandy had another poor game, although he wasn't alone. Speaks volumes when the player who replaced him for the last half an hour got Man of the Match!
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Probably wouldn't have been my first choice to be subbed, but he was poor today. Looked anonymous in the middle, had one spark with a long shot. His crossing, especially from corners, was dreadful.
Still looks lively, I'm sure he'll bounce back especially if he had a dangerous out ball to work with.
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Mandy is becoming a scapegoat. How you could single him out as poor in that first half is beyond me.
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Not scapegoat at all, but this thread is about Mandeville! He's being "singled out" by virtue of being the subject of the thread. Do you think that he wasn't poor today?
If you want to start a thread for each other player who was on the pitch today, you won't find many not being described as having a 'poor game'! Tutte worked hard. Ellison made a difference when he came on. Lavelle was okay (although I think he was probably at fault for their goal, but not 100% sure if it was him?)
The whole team were below par again against a poor Notts County. I'm still a Mandeville fan and know he'll come back strong... I just hope he comes back strong soon!
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A quiet first half for Mande, but definitely not on his own. Second half,he started like a different player. Invloved in our two most threatening bits of play all game, within minutes........then gets subbed AGAIN. He is going to get well pi$$ed off if it carries on.
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Agreed. Not singling Mandeville out, but I was looking forward to seeing if playing in the middle gave him a bit more freedom, and he didn't have a good game. I'm sure he'll be back on form soon, but today he was way off it.
He was better in the second half, but didn't even get 10 minutes so impossible to judge!
i looked on the Notts Clownsty twitter feed to see who the next for execution sorry i mean to be the manager was and saw this -- these posts had just been made when i viewed
47' Morecambe 0-0 #Notts
Leitch-Smith fires over from Mandeville's cut-back.
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49' Morecambe 0-0 #Notts
Mandeville cuts in from the left to bend one towards the far post and Fitzsimons makes a great save at full stretch to turn it behind.
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53' Morecambe 0-1 #Notts
Double change for Morecambe as Kevin Ellison and former Notts man Garry Thompson come on for Mandeville and Yarney.
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so 4 minutes after nearly scoring he is taken off and replaced by an OAP obviously KE needed the appearance money he's soon going to need a lot of phyllosan if he is going to continue playing
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A very good decision though by the Morecambe manager.
Ellison scored the goal that rescued a point.
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How many of those comments do we need to ignore?
Ignore this one,
The system wasn't the best for Mandy. The middle was very compact with hardly any room to move. Other teams will watch our games and its pretty obvious Mandy is our only spark. He is closed down pretty sharpish. Going back to the system, it looked horribly like the 7-0-3 of last season.
I don't hold back on the comments positive or negative about Mandy, I put them all on the forum.
I find it fascinating how some supporters are so keen to highlight the negative comments to make a point when in fact there are many, many more positive comments made about him are just ignored.
I'm not "keen to highlight the negative comments" but when you tell people to "ignore" something that makes him look like the sun doesn't actually shine out his shite pipe after all it kind of makes a mockery of your argument.
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How many of those comments do we need to ignore?
Ignore this one,
The system wasn't the best for Mandy. The middle was very compact with hardly any room to move. Other teams will watch our games and its pretty obvious Mandy is our only spark. He is closed down pretty sharpish. Going back to the system, it looked horribly like the 7-0-3 of last season.
I don't hold back on the comments positive or negative about Mandy, I put them all on the forum.
I find it fascinating how some supporters are so keen to highlight the negative comments to make a point when in fact there are many, many more positive comments made about him are just ignored.
I'm not "keen to highlight the negative comments" but when you tell people to "ignore" something that makes him look like the sun doesn't actually shine out his shite pipe after all it kind of makes a mockery of your argument.
You failed to detect my aim at being a little sarcastic at my expense, hence the "Try to ignore" I was not saying "Ignore"
If I was to only present the good comments about Mandy I could see your point of view but that's not the case is it?
To make it absolutely clear I research all the comments made about Mandy good and bad, all of them. I would give way and agree with your opinion if I was only repeating the good comments. If you were to read back you will see that I repeatedly make comments about Mandy's weak points where the sun don't shine.
Now getting back to your comment no one could help but come to the conclusion Mandy was partly responsible, but not totally responsible for the goal they scored, don't forget the left back played a roll in failing to stop the attacker. If you look back at my many comments Mandy is pathetic at tackling and tracking back and that example clearly shows what I mean.
Now tell me why you think I am presenting only a positive argument about Mandy when in fact I am presenting comments good and bad for my fellow supporters to make their own conclusions.
I think we will see an improvement in Mandy's performances in a central position when he gets used it and if he is allowed to of course.
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Alick, I have to say that it does come across that you a teeny weeny bit obsessed with Mandeville and trying to tell everyone how great he is.
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Hound,
At the risk of repeating myself "I rate the kid" and I would like him to prove people, who don't think he is good enough for the 1st Division, wrong. I have made no secret of that, have I?
All the comments that I have posted on the kid have been all the ones I can find, good or bad comments I post them all, surely that would indicate I am not being biased!
What I have tried to achieve is to provide up to date information on Mandy so forum members can form their own opinion.
Some people are interested in Mandy others are not.
I can accept that I may have put things badly at times but to say it is biased reporting I do not accept.
I have repeatedly pointed out the weaknesses Mandy has still got, some posters seem to miss that or choose to ignore it, I have no control over that.
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Alick, I don’t disagree with any of the things that you have just said about why you post.
I was just saying that you do seem to be obsessed with Mandeville.
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Hound,
I was a trade unionist all my working life and would represent my members to the best of my ability. I suppose its that side of my character to represent the weak that kicks in whether its the likes of Mandy or in deed Sean O'Driscoll. Characters that appear unable to fight their own corner.
I suppose it falls down to your personal definition of obsessive compared to determined! I have no problem with your view that I am a tiny bit obsessive but I think it would be more accurate to say I am determined to unbiasedly objective reporting all the comments on Mandy and letting fellow supporters make their own opinion in how he is doing now, after all, he is still our player.
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Fair enough, however I disagree that O’driscoll is weak and unable to stand up for himself.
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Fair enough, however I disagree that O’driscoll is weak and unable to stand up for himself.
Hound,
Your welcome to your opinion after all, opinions are subjective.
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It'll be interesting to see how he comes back after being seen as the main guilty party in the goal in the previous game, and then subbed early in this one.
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My bank manager and I are pleased to see he's on the bench tonight having seen MK snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on Saturday - fre kick off the bar and in 90th minute job -- Gaz & I would not be very happy if he scored the winner tonite :crying: :crying: :crying:
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It'll be interesting to see how he comes back after being seen as the main guilty party in the goal in the previous game, and then subbed early in this one.
Are you sure you got that right? Mandy came on at 66mins, he wasn't subbed early! I will try and do some research on Mandy tomorrow night.
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It'll be interesting to see how he comes back after being seen as the main guilty party in the goal in the previous game, and then subbed early in this one.
Are you sure you got that right? Mandy came on at 66mins, he wasn't subbed early! I will try and do some research on Mandy tomorrow night.
That was pre tonight. Previous game he was subbed at 53mins
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A few more comments about Mandy:
Reading the match preview for tonight’s game against Mk, it states, unsurprisingly, that Mande is top of the list for Morecambe assists. Admittedly, The Shrimps aren’t scoring many goals, but still another endorsement for the lad, and for what he does for the team. Keep it up Mande.
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I think he's rated as second highest in league 2 for assists
Makes even more sense to hook him after 50mins when you can't buy a goal. Almost as Barmy as playing Barky at right back.
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Cheers WW. Reiterates,what an important player he is for us.
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Makes even more sense to hook him after 50mins when you can't buy a goal. Almost as Barmy as playing Barky at right back.[/quote]
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Agree with you totally on that one BW. Think JB is getting that one wrong too.
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Mande not even starting against MK...........A plan?? A slight injury niggle?? I am clueless( please don’t answer that on ) For me a mistake. I really hope he comes on and proves a point......maybe the plan?? COYS.
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Played well when he came on, creating a lot of space and moving all around the pitch. Thommo was playing wide, but Mandeville had more freedom when he replaced him. But, there was no real final ball. He did put A-Jay in nicely once but A-Jay's shot was poor. I think I'd have preferred to see Mandeville on with Oswell, then Thommo when Oliver came on?
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It'll be interesting to see how he comes back after being seen as the main guilty party in the goal in the previous game, and then subbed early in this one.
Are you sure you got that right? Mandy came on at 66mins, he wasn't subbed early! I will try and do some research on Mandy tomorrow night.
It would have been difficult for BristolRedRover to have known at 3.57 that Mandeville has been subbed tonight.
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How do you know that? he could have mystical ability!
I do believe that Albert Broadbent did but I can't confirm that.
In other words I never noticed but thank you for pointing that out.
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How do you know that? he could have mystical ability!
I do believe that Albert Broadbent did but I can't confirm that.
In other words I never noticed but thank you for pointing that out.
Good comeback there though, I like that.
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Its not looking good at Morecambe with players not getting paid on time. It must have an affect on players minds!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46379459
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Nothing much to report on Mandy this week as Morecambe had no game.
I tried to get to the bottom about Mandy starting on the bench in their last game but to no avail. My guess is that the manager wanted a more defensive line up because they were playing 2 in the league, now top, and Mandy is not the man to defend.
Its not looking good for all the players at Morecambe with the club paying wages late! Lets hope Morecambe turn the corner and the situation improves.
We should all thank our lucky stars that as a club we are on solid financial ground and the team playing well, long may it last.
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How many goals and assists does he have ?
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Nothing much to report on Mandy this week as Morecambe had no game.
I tried to get to the bottom about Mandy starting on the bench in their last game but to no avail. My guess is that the manager wanted a more defensive line up because they were playing 2 in the league, now top, and Mandy is not the man to defend.
Its not looking good for all the players at Morecambe with the club paying wages late! Lets hope Morecambe turn the corner and the situation improves.
We should all thank our lucky stars that as a club we are on solid financial ground and the team playing well, long may it last.
Yes you are dead right but some people STILL think our owners have no ambition. :facepalm:
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Morecambe threw the game away today and by all accounts Mandy is a marked man in the second division, take him out and Morecambe aren't so good. Here are the early accounts of his game today..................
Played well, covered a lot of ground. Had a fantastic long range shot that the keeper did well to save. A few others were ahead of him in terms of MotM nominations, but by the same token, he had a good game. Points dropped, excellent first half.
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Thought he was clearly targetted today by Port Vale who did their homework on us, which limited his effectiveness. Still managed to create a few chances, and made some clever plays as well (notably the free kick early in the second half). Also wanted to call out his defensive play, which I think has been his biggest weakness, but he put a lot of effort in today and it showed.
Yellow card came out of frustration after we conceded the two late goals. He should have taken a last-minute penalty as well in my opinion, he's our best set-piece taker. His corners have missed the mark lately but his free kicks are consistently dangerous.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/morecambe-vs-port-vale/report/393894
Mandy has a problem with tackling so why on earth give him the tracking back role, he is pathetic.
Yet give him the free kicks, penalties and a roaming role around the box and you have a different player, horses for courses!
He nearly scored from a free kick and apparently had a superb effort from distance not shown on the highlights.
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One more comment...................................
Pretty much summed up in K and t-s comments above.
Not much to add, apart from, that his corners were generally good yesterday, and he had plenty to take.
He was very much an integral part of a team, that I feel produced, one of the best, most dominant 45 mins of football, by The Shrimps, seen at The Globe in years. Long may it continue!
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Sounds like Morecambe can see the qualities in Mandy and want to sign him, best of luck to the kid.
I like the managers comments about giving Mandy a roaming roll up front but I would have liked him to take away the
tracking back roll.
https://www.thevisitor.co.uk/sport/football/shrimps/morecambe-would-like-to-keep-doncaster-rovers-loanee-1-9493193
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More comments about Mandy,
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Got the gist of it though and it is good news if it comes off, I'd like to see Mandy on a permanent deal. As I've said previously on this thread, hopefully, even if offered more money elsewhere, he'd see his chances of substantial development better with us. Jim Bentley has a good record for resurrecting careers and he has Liam heading in the right direction again.
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Big fan, as I have said on numerous occasions. JB sums the lad up well, and really hope he can get his signiature for the future. See him going from strength to strength, a great asset for The Shrimps. COYS.
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Have you got a Mandy doll that you stroke before bed?
Weird obsession!
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Got subbed today on 57 minutes so probably nothing to post about this week.
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I’ll actually be glad when his future is sorted, if only to bring an end to this.
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Weird so many of our fans hate updates about how our loan players are doing. Other clubs are into that sort of thing to see if their players are doing well and ready to play first team football.
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Have you got a Mandy doll that you stroke before bed?
Weird obsession!
I’ll actually be glad when his future is sorted, if only to bring an end to this.
Why on earth do you bother to read this topic I don't understand, just pass it by.
There is clearly an interest in knowing how Mandy is doing. My sole motive in keeping in touch with how he is doing is to let those interested keep up to date.
Those who are not interested just pass it by its as simple as that!
Yes Hound, nice to see you keeping up to date.
He was subbed early in the second half against the top team Lincoln. My guess is that because they were 3 down by then the Manager decided to keep the score difference down as much as possible.
I think I would have subbed Mandy because defending/ tackling is not Mandy's game.
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How do you know that? he could have mystical ability!
I do believe that Albert Broadbent did but I can't confirm that.
In other words I never noticed but thank you for pointing that out.
Watching Albert Broadbent I did feel he had mystical ability. He played lots of superb passes but my Dad used to say - when one went wrong - he was far far ahead of his Team mates in his thinking and they should have known where AB was going to play it !
Good old Yogi
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He was subbed early in the second half against the top team Lincoln. My guess is that because they were 3 down by then the Manager decided to keep the score difference down as much as possible.
I think I would have subbed Mandy because defending/ tackling is not Mandy's game.
Maybe he was substituted because he was playing crap?
Not knocking you just saying. Are there any quotes from the Morecambe forum to glean from? Lincoln are obviously a very good side so no surprise they turned Morecambe over.
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Must be another of those things we should try to ignore... :)
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Here are his stats for the season so far
Played 24 games scored 4 goals had 6 assists in all competitions.
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He was subbed early in the second half against the top team Lincoln. My guess is that because they were 3 down by then the Manager decided to keep the score difference down as much as possible.
I think I would have subbed Mandy because defending/ tackling is not Mandy's game.
Maybe he was substituted because he was playing crap?
Not knocking you just saying. Are there any quotes from the Morecambe forum to glean from? Lincoln are obviously a very good side so no surprise they turned Morecambe over.
Perfectly correct RA. If you set the team up not to lose or in this case keep the score down I don't think I would have played Mandy in the first place, his defensive attributes are poor.
What I find interesting is that even when Morecambe lose and the team perform badly I have yet to see Morecambe supporters slag Mandy off.
RJ is that the best you can come up with, surely you could do better than that!
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How do you know that? he could have mystical ability!
I do believe that Albert Broadbent did but I can't confirm that.
In other words I never noticed but thank you for pointing that out.
Watching Albert Broadbent I did feel he had mystical ability. He played lots of superb passes but my Dad used to say - when one went wrong - he was far far ahead of his Team mates in his thinking and they should have known where AB was going to play it !
Good old Yogi
Wolfie,
Think a few years back, well quite a few, to Yogi on the wing. He would roll the ball over with the studs of his kicking foot towards the opposition player coming in to tackle for the ball, tempting the tackle. Then having got the man on his wrong foot Albert was away. I don't recall any other player doing that trick of his feet.
I would class it as the "Cruyff Turn" or the "step over" of today.
I just wonder if Albert was the originator of this particular style of play?
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He was a very good player. Very good control,vision and could also hit the ball very hard.
Not as good a career as his brother but I was always surprised that he didn't do better.
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Just the one comment on the Shrimps forum, morale is a little low at the moment as you would expect.
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Couldn’t make the game yesterday, so here is a quote from our reporter there..”Liam Mandeville, extremely disappointing for a man of his undoubted talent.” A game where we really needed him to be at his best, but that’s football eh!
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He was a very good player. Very good control,vision and could also hit the ball very hard.
Not as good a career as his brother but I was always surprised that he didn't do better.
Idler,
I don't recall Albert's brother, shed some light on him.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11582251/lincoln-3-1-morecambe
Take a look at Mandy's position for Lincoln's first goal!!!! Why Morecambe's manager persists in playing Mandy out of position I just don't know! Mandy can't defend he is a play maker behind the front two.
For example you only have to look at Mason under Fergy he looked a very poor plyer yet put him in his correct position and bingo he's a great player.
RJ, please make a reasoned comment about my comments about that I feel worthy of a response.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/morecambe/11582251/lincoln-3-1-morecambe
Take a look at Mandy's position for Lincoln's first goal!!!! Why Morecambe's manager persists in playing Mandy out of position I just don't know! Mandy can't defend he is a play maker behind the front two.
For example you only have to look at Mason under Fergy he looked a very poor plyer yet put him in his correct position and bingo he's a great player.
RJ, please make a reasoned comment about my comments about that I feel worthy of a response.
First response.
I don’t actually think that Mason did look poor under Ferguson.
Yes he played him at left back but I always thought he made a decent job of it even though he is clearly better at RB or even CB as he played at Barnsley.
On the Mandeville theme, I can’t bring to mind a manager who has played him in the play maker role, behind a front two.
It could be just you who thinks that is his best position.
Not trying to pick a fight by saying that but if he was genuinely as good as you think he is then surely his manager would play him there.
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I go along with that Hound, for me it is the best position for Mandy behind the front two, its just my opinion.
When he was playing well for Donny he had a roaming central role and I thought he played well in that role for someone so young.
I don't think anyone would disagree with my view that Mandy can't defend for toffee so why play him in that role? You won't get the best out of the kid playing there, I think we can agree on that?
I would like to point out that Morecambe don't even play with a front two but they do have the players that could adjust to that formation.
I would like to point out that the Morecambe manager is impressed with Mandy and wants to sign him. In that I am pleased that the manager can see that Mandy is worthy of signing, Mandy's career will continue.
If only that was true, "if he was as good as I thought he was the manager would play him there".
The fact Mandy was subbed after only 55mins I think was tactical, and according to the manager he is very careful not to over play Mandy as this is Mandy's most played period in his life and needs managing carefully.
I would take issue with your reference Mason.
I rate Mason very highly in his present position but I recall games he played poorly out of position and he was poor. In fact at the league game at Charlton he had a poor game along with a few others and he was in his natural position then. In other words they all have off days particularly when in a position you are not cut out for.
I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with my opinions and I see nothing wrong with what you say and how you said it.
There is no need for aggressive sarcastic comments, just good debate on opinions.
My main objective with his topic was to let our supporters know how Mandy was doing and not forget that he is still one of our players. I also admit that I rate the kid.
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Mason must have done a reasonably good job of playing LB last season.
There were only five teams in the whole division which conceded fewer goals than us last season than the 52 we did.
Mason played LB for almost all of that season and if he had played poorly surely that wouldn’t have happened.
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Mason must have done a reasonably good job of playing LB last season.
There were only five teams in the whole division which conceded fewer goals than us last season than the 52 we did.
Mason played LB for almost all of that season and if he had played poorly surely that wouldn’t have happened.
In support of what I said about playing a player out of his best position, have you listened to Ben Whiteman on IF?
If so, then I think Ben puts the point over far far better than I did.
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The thing is, regardless of what his best position is, he should still be able to perform defensive duties.
Marquis is our striker but his defensive work is outstanding, there’s not many footballers that can get away with doing no defensive work
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Is Marquis' defensive work outstanding? He has cost us a lot of goals at set pieces with slack or inadequate defending to be honest.
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Yes,
I agree when defending set pieces he’s struggled at times. But our whole way of playing starts from him closing people down, harrying people, pressing the ball.
He’s the best I’ve seen at defending from the front
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Mason must have done a reasonably good job of playing LB last season.
There were only five teams in the whole division which conceded fewer goals than us last season than the 52 we did.
Mason played LB for almost all of that season and if he had played poorly surely that wouldn’t have happened.
In support of what I said about playing a player out of his best position, have you listened to Ben Whiteman on IF?
If so, then I think Ben puts the point over far far better than I did.
I don't subscribe to ifollow.
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Is Marquis' defensive work outstanding? He has cost us a lot of goals at set pieces with slack or inadequate defending to be honest.
RA, I have pointed out in recent posts about Marquis's lack of success when he goes up against a CB for a headed ball. From a defensive position he has cost goals. Where I think JM is exceptional is when he has his back to goal, shielding the ball and laying the ball off, worth his weight in gold when he is on form. In certain ways JM reminds me of Tony Adams, when his touch is off he looks like an old donkey but when the touch is there he is very important member of the team. I would hate to see him leave anytime soon.
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Since someone at the club has stopped us turning our backs on the ball at corners and set pieces and the ridiculous man marking and gone to attacking the ball and keeping our eyes on it instead of playing tag in the penalty area, everyone has done better at defending corners and set pieces including Marquis, who has cleared quite a few with his head and feet lately.
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When it comes to Mandeville and McCullough, we are one week off the Christmas fixtures, if we had kept them two, I think they would have been hard pushed not to have contributed more to our league success than Beestin, Taylor, Kiwomya and May have done.
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Another comment:
A result, that in all honesty, The Shrimps fans expected, against a quality side like Lincoln, on their way to Div1.
Always hopeful, but have to be realistic though.
Being an MFC supporter, goes hand in hand, with looking on the brightside. If you can’t, then the only option is to follow a different team. Roll on Sat.
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I have pencilled in watching Mandy play at Northampton on the 19th Jan. All being well at home and it being a short journey I intend to be there. You can bet he will be dropped/injured but I could pass a critical eye over Willow at the same time.
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How do you know McCullough and Mandeville didn’t ask to go out on loan if they weren’t going to play much
Whereas the other may have decided they wanted to stay and fight for their place
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I will say this none of the six named are good enough for a promotion chasing Doncaster Rovers team. We need better and only May gets in because of his effort which is good. Mandeville like Taylor like Beestin like Kiwomya are all technical players with no effort or stamina or heart. Taylor should not have been signed but hopefully GM has realised that now and he’ll be gone in the summer. As for Mandeville and McCullough they will be gone also I don’t see Beestin getting Contract. But they will be 10 at least going I believe.
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How can you say they’re not good enough? They’ve hardly played because the others have been doing so well.
Not long ago people were saying Anderson wasn’t good enough and Cummings now look at them now they’ve been given a chance, involved in all these clean sheets.
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Kiwomya is the only one contracted for next season I think, and could need game time at Chesterfield to prove his illness was the main reason for his drop off in form since. The others will have limited time and opportunity to impress before their contracts are up, and Grant will most likely have made his mind up by now anyway, certainly with Mandeville and McCullough.
None of the others have pulled up any trees.
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We need to get rid of Mandeville if only to see the end of this thread!
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We need to get rid of Mandeville if only to see the end of this thread!
CRed,
If you get uptight with the topic why not just ignore it and read something more important and to your likes?
There has been an incredible amount of interest in how Mandy is doing with over 20,000 views on the topic, that is, unless its you that has viewed 20,000 times!
I think not.
Look after your health and move on my friend.
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We need to get rid of Mandeville if only to see the end of this thread!
If you don’t like the title of the thread then DONT READ IT.
Some of us might actually be interested in their progress as they are D.R.F.C. players.
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There’s hardly any feedback on McCullough, kiwomya though but 14 pages about Mandeville.
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Tbf a Loan Watch thread for all probably would be smarter.
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There’s hardly any feedback on McCullough, kiwomya though but 14 pages about Mandeville.
Look at the title D its about Mandy!!!
If you want to keep up to date on anyone else on loan by all means do it.
But when it comes to this posting its about Mandy.
What is it you don't understand?
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When it comes to Mandeville and McCullough, we are one week off the Christmas fixtures, if we had kept them two, I think they would have been hard pushed not to have contributed more to our league success than Beestin, Taylor, Kiwomya and May have done.
Ridiculous post Brian; we're 6th from top, unbeaten in 6 games, and have kept 4 successive clean sheets; how on earth could Mandeville and McCullough possibly have improved that; and on top of that we'll have 2, possibly 3, new players in January.
When is this obsession with Liam and Luke going to end? They're not good enough to improve the squad, they're out of contract in the summer, and they will NEVER play for Rovers again.
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There’s hardly any feedback on McCullough, kiwomya though but 14 pages about Mandeville.
Look at the title D its about Mandy!!!
If you want to keep up to date on anyone else on loan by all means do it.
But when it comes to this posting its about Mandy.
What is it you don't understand?
I was responding to the previous post above mine which said people are interested because they are DRFC players. So I was pointing out that this was only about one player.
Over the years we’ve had dozens of players out on loan and I’ve never seen anywhere near as much attention to any of them.
It’s just a bit odd
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There’s hardly any feedback on McCullough, kiwomya though but 14 pages about Mandeville.
Look at the title D its about Mandy!!!
If you want to keep up to date on anyone else on loan by all means do it.
But when it comes to this posting its about Mandy.
What is it you don't understand?
I think you may need to see someone about this obsession. I really don’t think it’s healthy!
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Steve, I am pointing that out, the players that are our fringe players have contributed no more than those two, and they are still on our books here, and need to go out on loan or released to make way for better to come in the same as Mandeville and McCullough have.
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https://youtu.be/jKE_EM18zZY?t=7
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https://youtu.be/jKE_EM18zZY?t=7
Interestingly there are no comments after the video............yet!
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https://youtu.be/jKE_EM18zZY?t=7
https://youtu.be/jKE_EM18zZY?t=7
Interestingly there are no comments after the video............yet!
Brilliant, I like it.
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Steve, I am pointing that out, the players that are our fringe players have contributed no more than those two, and they are still on our books here, and need to go out on loan or released to make way for better to come in the same as Mandeville and McCullough have.
How can they contribute if the players ahead of them in the 1st team keep winning and performing well? you could of said the same about Cummings or Anderson until injuries meant they got chance to really contribute. They obviously do their bit for the club by training hard and keeping involved in the dressing room which is something we don't see but its so important.
Every club will want to strengthen so seems harsh to keep pointing to a few players as specifically not good enough when they've largely been kept out by good form/lack of injuries. Improving the squads quality is a given which GM appears to already be addressing
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There’s hardly any feedback on McCullough, kiwomya though but 14 pages about Mandeville.
Look at the title D its about Mandy!!!
If you want to keep up to date on anyone else on loan by all means do it.
But when it comes to this posting its about Mandy.
What is it you don't understand?
I think you may need to see someone about this obsession. I really don’t think it’s healthy!
Please tell me why on earth you read the topic?
I think if you substitute "Obsession" with "Determined" you are not far off.
Mandy is one of our own and still is one of our players and obviously a great many people are interested in how he is doing at Morecambe.
What I suggest is that you show decent disrespect for the topic and don't read it, its bad for your health.
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They have been given every opportunity since The beginning of August in reserve games, every day in training and cup games, and in the second half of last season. Since last season I think everyone would agree that the standard of the first team has moved on.
The players mentioned have not been able to even look as though they are going to get in the team, and the couple that have have been found wanting at division 1 standard. In January the club, if it wants to seriously aim for championship football should be looking to move the players the manager does not figure in his future plans on to other clubs if possible, and replace with better who he thinks can play at a higher level.
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They haven’t got a look in because the others have been doing so well.
Wright was doing well so Anderson never got a loo in and people were saying he was useless, now he’s got his chance he’s proving them all wrong. If marquis or copps for injured one of the players you say aren’t good enough may prove you wrong
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Dickos, I don't think they will here, and like Mandeville and McCullough have a better chance of building a career elsewhere.
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Steve, I am pointing that out, the players that are our fringe players have contributed no more than those two, and they are still on our books here, and need to go out on loan or released to make way for better to come in the same as Mandeville and McCullough have.
Like those two that won’t be here in the summer so whether those fringe players have contributed is irrelevant they’ll be gone
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All teams have fringe players who make occasional appearances in the first team.
At our level they are usually inferior to the regular players that they temporarily replace.
It is only the top PL teams who have at least 22 players who are all as good as each other.
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That's just it. Some people seem to think we should have an entire string of first XI quality players getting splinters in their arse or worse.
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That number is in the minority, the vast majority are sensible and understand the reality. In our most successful period we had players like Sam Hird, Mark Wilson, Paul Keegan who were signed as squad players however they played their part in their time. Perhaps a marker of our decline was when Keegan became a first choice in the absence of more expansive and creative midfielders and protecting a back four who the manager of the day thought couldn't look after themselves.
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RJ, that should be the clubs ambition and I am sure it is, a club cannot have too many good players, and cannot afford to carry any that are not good enough.
The ones that are not good enough here have missed out on more cup games in two competitions and putting themselves forward to play more league games in the process, not to mention the money they have cost the club in prize money by not being good enough to progress.
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You cannot have 22 first team quality players at this level and you're on another planet if you genuinely believe they should.
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The club, the playing staff and the manager I am sure want to be as good as they can be. and will be, and are, looking to improve at every level the playing staff from the academy right through to the first team squad.
I have every faith in that is what they will be trying to achieve, the minute they accept mediocrity, like you seem to, things will start to slide backwards.
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The club, the playing staff and the manager I am sure want to be as good as they can be. and will be, and are, looking to improve at every level the playing staff from the academy right through to the first team squad.
I have every faith in that is what they will be trying to achieve, the minute they accept mediocrity, like you seem to, things will start to slide backwards.
I don't think anybody is accepting mediocrity, but RedJ is right, 22 1st team quality players will cost more than we can afford. The only way to do that is to accept 22 players who won't be as good as we would like.
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Then there's always the problem of keeping half of the 22 first team quality players content with not starting.
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SM, I accept that we will have some players that are better players in their positions than others in the first team squad, and that financial constraints dictate the quality of the squad as a whole.
But the players who may be considered to play in the first team this or any other season must be of a standard that can compete when required to play at League 1 level, unfortunately the second half finish to last season, the teams including a fair few of the players who played in those games last season, and in the two early season cup games this season highlighted the fact that they are not up to the standard required and results of the development side this season containing the same players confirmed they are not good enough for league 1 football, and if they do not get another club in January, and are at the end of their contract at the end of the season, we should be looking to replace them with better.
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BB, then the club would be able most likely to get a monetary reward for a transfer to another club, instead of paying good money out in wages to players who are not going to either push other players for a starting place, or be good enough to actually play regularly.
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It's like banging your head against a wall. The entire second string are never going to be playing all at once, so it's irrelevant how well they do as a team because they're only ever going to be filling in one or two at a time. No club in the third tier has an entire squad of first choice players. It just isn't practical.
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Selby. If there are any players that aren't considered good enough to push other players for a starting place then I'm sure McCann will continue to send them out on loan and get rid when their contract is up, if he chooses.
What process do you want to change?
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Why can't we just start with 22 players on the pitch? We'd be top of the league then. Bloody shite Bramhall.
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BB, I agree with you first Paragraph wholeheartedly, and see no need for any change in any system.
But,If some of our supporters don't think that for the same money we are paying our fringe players we could not get better players from some of the lower football league and National League clubs there is something wrong, because they have dumped us out of cup competitions and have regularly won against our development sides with them players playing in the games.
God Knows how teams like Burton, Accrington, and Fleetwood did it,and Blackpool just cobble a side out of players nobody else want every season.
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Did those clubs make nine or ten changes from their regular first team for the JPT. (Or whatever it is called) games?
Genuine question.
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BB, I agree with you first Paragraph wholeheartedly, and see no need for any change in any system.
But,If some of our supporters don't think that for the same money we are paying our fringe players we could not get better players from some of the lower football league and National League clubs there is something wrong, because they have dumped us out of cup competitions and have regularly won against our development sides with them players playing in the games.
God Knows how teams like Burton, Accrington, and Fleetwood did it,and Blackpool just cobble a side out of players nobody else want every season.
Simply don’t understand what you’re going on about.
Just because our reserve team have lost some games in no way does that mean 3 or 4 of them wouldn’t be good enough for the first team.
If you’d put copps, whiteman and butler in the reserve side we still may have lost those game, but that does not mean they aren’t good enough to play for the first team
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Eh so on this logic when, say, Man Utd lose in the league cup to a lower division team after making 11 changes they should sell the whole second string and replace it with, say, championship players because they beat them that one time when the game had little significance....
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Dickos, that is the point, at least four or five players have been the common denominator in if not all the games, most of those games. They are not good enough to play League 1 football, as the managers teams he picks on a regular basis shows, they are only making the numbers up on the bench, a couple come on for a few minutes, four are already out on loan, two from the seasons start,
They have little future at this club as first team players, Kiwomya maybe as he has a longer contract, and a judgement can be made on his progress at Chesterfield to the end of the season,and whether his illness was the main reason for his loss of form.
May's goalscoring record has to improve, but again he could be
retained,Personally I cannot see Taylor, Ben Khemis, Lund, and Beestin being offered a contract for next season, Beestin not on ability but on being mobile enough to fit the system we play now, him and May being the only hard choices for me, the other three could go in this transfer window for me.
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The manager said about three weeks ago he had 15/16 players fighting for the first team. Out of them at least two are loan players. He said he was hoping to sign two or three players to improve that.
Therefore the others some are even subs are not good enough or ready for the first team. Therefore in the summer about 10 I think will go. He has started signing his own development players so the others may struggle.
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Dickos, that is the point, at least four or five players have been the common denominator in if not all the games, most of those games. They are not good enough to play League 1 football, as the managers teams he picks on a regular basis shows, they are only making the numbers up on the bench, a couple come on for a few minutes, four are already out on loan, two from the seasons start,
They have little future at this club as first team players, Kiwomya maybe as he has a longer contract, and a judgement can be made on his progress at Chesterfield to the end of the season,and whether his illness was the main reason for his loss of form.
May's goalscoring record has to improve, but again he could be
retained,Personally I cannot see Taylor, Ben Khemis, Lund, and Beestin being offered a contract for next season, Beestin not on ability but on being mobile enough to fit the system we play now, him and May being the only hard choices for me, the other three could go in this transfer window for me.
That’s the same with every club in the country,
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The manger implied earlier in the week he was going to rest Mandy so he was on the bench till the 57min. Seemed to have a good game with another assist to his name.
More supporter comments from Morecambe.
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Mandy came on after 57 minutes.
Oates had played well but is just coming back from injury. Liam looked sharper than in recent games and was both tracking back to defend but also linking the front two nicely. Had a really good half an hour or so. Perhaps needed a bit of a rest? Perhaps he looked better coming on against a side that were getting tired, so he had that extra second or two? Everyone played well, including Liam. Good game and an excellent three points (and three superb goals!)
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Really disappointed to miss the game today, but equally happy to watch my son’s U11 team get to the final of a very competitive tournament.
Alright aimh
Sandgrown has started a thread after today’s game, titled Mandeville Magic.
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Mandeville took the game by the scruff of the neck when he came on, the whole team responded to him, but for some brave defending by Cambridge we would have had a hatful.
well done to the whole team and JB for getting his subs right this time !
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Missed the game today. Glad to hear Mandy made a serious contribution to the game. Brilliant result for The Shrimps. Come on!!!!
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Alick, I know and appreciate your reasons for this thread which you have reiterated several times, but I’m astounded that there isn’t more to your interest in Mandeville given Rovers had a game that finished a couple of hours ago yet you are seemingly more interested in Morecambe’s game!
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Kiwomya scores again
4 in 3 games now
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Nick, with due respect, why does it matter that I have found time to research this topic?
FYI I listened to the Donny game and I was a little disappointed with the result and the performance.
When you look at the stats of the topic there has been a tremendous interest in "How Mandy is doing" All I have done is to research the supporters comments and let our supporters, that are interested, know.
The only interest I have in Morecambe is that one our players is there on loan. I would like to think that when I pass a comment on Mandy I am in a position of authority because I have watched him play . I have watched him play once this season and I intend to watch him again when they play Northampton in January.
You may ask why do I not go to watch Donny?
I am a full time carer for my wife and I get limited time off. We were on holiday in the Lake District when I first went to watch Mandy play, just down the road from where I was staying. I hope to get to the Northampton game because its 50mins away. When I go to watch Donny at home games its a 320mile round trip. You can't believe the time it takes to arrange going to games but that's where my family come in to play.
I do the research because I am interested and print it for the Donny supporters that are also interested.
Those of our supporters that are not interested please pass the topic by.
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Beestin was not in their squad for Chesterfield today, and well done Kiwomya
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Beestin was not in their squad for Chesterfield today, and well done Kiwomya
He was. Came on as sub at half time.
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McCullough played 90 minutes for Tranmere.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/morecambe-vs-cambridge-u/report/393918
Mandy set up the second goal and was involved with the build up for the 3rd goal. Not a bad contribution when you consider he came off the bench at 56mins!
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BRR, I thought I had missed him after reading your post but when checking the BBC report it says in the line ups that a player was subbed on 46 mins, but no name of the player replacing him is printed, as he is not named in the unused subbs
I thought he was not in the squad.
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At first, this thread was interesting. Now, it's just getting weird. If I was Mandeville I would have a rape alarm close by. You never know.
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Mandeville wont play for us again, why not follow Kiwomya a player finding his form at Chesterfield who could come back and be good for us.
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Bezza, I agree he Won't play for us again, but it does not alter the fact some people are interested in how he does, both now and in the future, so what is the problem with having a thread discussing it. If you are not interested don't read it or take the time to comment on it.
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Why comment on this thread negatively, ...either pass it by or just read it as a topic of interest...
I love my team but will always look for tidbits and snippets relating to ex DRFC players, it’s just interesting
So as the author says ... if you are not interested in Mandeville’s match reports, just jog on by and fill your boots with a topic more palletable to your taste.... by commenting negatively you are showing an unsavoury personality trait
Just saying.... ( carry on Alick)
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At first, this thread was interesting. Now, it's just getting weird. If I was Mandeville I would have a rape alarm close by. You never know.
That’s Mature ! ...lol
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Bazza,
Please, do start a topic on any or all of our players out on loan. I will certainly be interested to follow it and contribute comments for debate.
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At first, this thread was interesting. Now, it's just getting weird. If I was Mandeville I would have a rape alarm close by. You never know.
I would like to know exactly what you are suggesting my friend!
I have decided to take it you mean the comment to be taken as funny and light hearted?
Personally I think it was in bad taste.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/morecambe-vs-cambridge-u/report/393918
Mandy set up the second goal and was involved with the build up for the 3rd goal. Not a bad contribution when you consider he came off the bench at 56mins!
Freak!
Knockers,
Its hard to debate a comment when its a probably a sarcastic one word comment. By all means if you think I am a freak and you feel strongly about it PM me and tell me why!
My responses have always been respectful and will remain so, sometimes provocative but never disrespectful.
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Mandeville wont play for us again, why not follow Kiwomya a player finding his form at Chesterfield who could come back and be good for us.
They're both doing well. Mandeville is younger and doing well in a league higher than Kiwomya so not sure what you're drawing that conclusion on.
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DO,
Personally I don't think Mandy will be coming back to Donny due to the fact we have at least two players to replace Mandy brought in by GM. Some of the football I have seen Mandy play this season has been superb and convinces me he is good enough for Donny.
As I have said before if Mandy was my son he wouldn't be coming back. He is doing well and enjoying playing for Morecombe. My guess is that a 1st division team will take him at the end of the season but football is a funny old game he could be at Donny next season.
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THAT Bl00dy sky ticker was at it again 3 Morecambe goals - yes three - and his name wasn't there :crying:
is it possible to sell him for a nominal amount in January and put on say a 50% sell on fee (and hope he doesn't do a Steve Bull)
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BRR, I thought I had missed him after reading your post but when checking the BBC report it says in the line ups that a player was subbed on 46 mins, but no name of the player replacing him is printed, as he is not named in the unused subbs
I thought he was not in the squad.
It's in the "Live Text" easy to scroll down to 46 mins :)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46576289
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Happy Christmas everyone
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Not many comments so far but here they are:
I thought it was a good result for Morecambe 0-0 against Colchester who are in 4th place.
Mandy subbed after 73 mins, a good idea when you consider the manager gives him a defensive role and he's not up to it.
With supporters asking for the managers head and the players being paid late again it doesn't look good for Mandy at Morecambe
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He's a good sub to change the game.
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He looked to be a skilful but frustrating player in the Tranmere game. He got into some positions but there was very little output. His dead ball kicks were not very good and I couldn’t work out why someone else didn’t take the corners.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/colchester-vs-morecambe/report/393938
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Bless him, doesn't want to do the grafting. :(
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These are the latest comments on Mandy.
Mandy is going through a bad time at the moment and it seems to me that the manager is setting the team up not to lose at the expense of creativity, which is of course, Mandy's strength! Many of the comments made on their forum are directed at the Manager and wanting his head. You could say its character building for Mandy or will it destroy the kids confidence, time will tell.
He was decent, wasn't his best game but not his worst. His quality always shines through, but sometimes he struggles to find the end-product - it's not always his fault, movement isn't great around him.
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Got a bit frustrated and got a booking, but Jim seems wary of giving him a full 90 minutes anyway. Normally we really miss him and his creativity when he goes off, but today I think his impact was diminished.
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Same again yesterday. Taken off shortly into the second half, I really thought he was making a name for himself a few weeks ago, but has disappeared off the radar, as have many others.
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Mandeville coming off yesterday was "Tactical"
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We went 4-3-3 and there's no way Mandy is better in a Midfield 3 than Tutte, Mills, Cranston.
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Also Mandy was subbed for Bennett so the new lad could lead the line.
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Although you argue Mandy could of stayed on for Oats who typically starts blowing out if steam after 60mins.
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The lad has been in and out of the team for a couple of months now which has done him no good. He seems to be Jim's fall guy if things need changing. I watched him charge round closing three players down with no Red shirt within 20 yards of him to help. He threw his arms in the air and bollocked his team mates. He is a creative player playing in the most dour workmanlike system you could ever wish to see. When he used to link with Aj and Reece, he looked a class above but now he is just expected to be another carthorse.
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Cranston was wasted on the wing and should and has been playing excellently in the centre of midfield, so why change him in yet another team formation ? And then our manager gets on the backs of players calling them from the touchline. Is it any wonder they look clueless at times when one dictat is then followed by another.... and then another.....and another etc etc etc.
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When Bennett came on i just seen us go 4-3-3 with 2 banks of 3 and quite liked it.
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Kenyon came on to go in Midfield, Cranston just pushed futher up on the left of a front 3, thats how it looked to me
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I'm a bit behind on some instructions, I understand close down, get closer, tighter, stop the cross, second ball, seconds, don't be beat, but can someone please explain what "shuffle" means - Cranston was asked to do this on a couple of occasions.
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Is shuffle the new Squuuuuuueeeeeeeeze?
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I can understand 2 players being asked to shuffle, but not one, maybe Jordan is leader of the pack?
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With or without injuries, our team seems to be juggled every week, our players must be confused (as I am at times) with what their jobs and positions are.
Sadly, stability isn't something we do at MFC.
We await for our next instalment on Saturday, cya there.
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Don’t see the relevance to Mandeville of the last five comments.
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I put it in for two reasons
1. I don't just put the good comments about Mandy they all go in.
2. It gave a slight indication of the opinions of supporters about their manager with a tinge of humour.
What does "Shuffle" mean? the manager shouts it out to players, no one seems to know! including the players, I am not saying the manager is loud but you can hear him think.
I fear for the managers job prospects and when you couple that with players not being payed on time, it won't be long, the club is in great danger of going out of business.
I hope not but I am hoping to see them play next week.
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Update.
I get the impression that the Morecambe manager is setting up his team not to lose expecting all his players to be behind the ball when defending. That's where Mandy suffers his tackling lets him down but when he is encouraged to get forward and pass the ball intelligently he is worth his weight in gold hence the winner in this game. Mandy's passing is excellent by anyone's standard.
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I didn't get there tonight but reports are that he was excellent and assisted with the last minute winner.
A little bit of the “Mande magic,” at the end of an excellent, battling, determined team performance, made sure we took the 3 pts we deserved.
Hopefully it will re-energise his confidence, and he gets back to showing more of the quality that he most definitely has.
COYS.
The Oldham fans are praising him on their forum.
I hope we can sign him permanently.
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Mandy only got on for a cameo. Initially when he came on the game was at a crucial point and was a bit all hands to the pumps. We had them pressed back in their half and he let one of their defenders escape rather too easily with not so much as a challenge, when he could have put a foot in. At that point I was of the attitude that he wasn't getting into the battle like the rest. However he quickly warmed to the task and his coup de grace at the end to skin two Oldham defenders and put it on a plate for Collins to bag the winner was pure class. I haven't seen enough of him to form a definitive opinion but what he did at the end was a game changer and he obviously has massive ability when he applies it to best effect.
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BBC Match report
Home substitute Urko Vera was superbly kept out by Halstead and the final twist came on the stroke of 90 minutes as Liam Mandeville set up Collins to slot home and snatch victory.
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Mandy was crap today
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as was the rest of the team! Worst home game this season.
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What these comments don't pay attention to is that Lincoln are a very good side who will get auto promotion. They make all teams look rubbish.
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Mandy was crap today
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as was the rest of the team! Worst home game this season.
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What these comments don't pay attention to is that Lincoln are a very good side who will get auto promotion. They make all teams look rubbish.
we have 4 very good teams in that league ( a gap suddenly appeared today to the 5th team) Bury who since the turn of the year have surely got more points than anyone Mansfield who have quality loanees and players aswell and don't conceed many and of course former suicidal team MK Dons ..... who appear to have suddenly refound their form.
if you look at this league table you will see Lincoln had drawn their last 4 games prior today - couldn't even beat Noots County - yes they stocked up with extra players on the transfer deadline but as we know from experience nothing is certain in this league. yes Rovers & Luton made it automatically but they weren't winners
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-two/table
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update.
Mandy was crap today
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as was the rest of the team! Worst home game this season.
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What these comments don't pay attention to is that Lincoln are a very good side who will get auto promotion. They make all teams look rubbish.
we have 4 very good teams in that league ( a gap suddenly appeared today to the 5th team) Bury who since the turn of the year have surely got more points than anyone Mansfield who have quality loanees and players aswell and don't conceed many and of course former suicidal team MK Dons ..... who appear to have suddenly refound their form.
if you look at this league table you will see Lincoln had drawn their last 4 games prior today - couldn't even beat Noots County - yes they stocked up with extra players on the transfer deadline but as we know from experience nothing is certain in this league. yes Rovers & Luton made it automatically but they weren't winners
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-two/table
On reflection Coleman LH(I was there Coleman did it) that's an accurate comment.
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More comments:
(This comment is in response to me saying Bentley, Morecambe manager, sets his team up to "Not to lose" and therefore leaves Mandy out and puts him on the bench)
What, like he does almost every game?
We came in to this game off the back of 2 wins, there would've been absolutely no harm in going for it. I'd rather lose having a go than lose while creating hardly any good chances all game.
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Yes , out of the 12 fixtures remaining maybe all could be called "winnable" although maybe MK Dons and FGR are the toughest. Jim has to let the flair players loose and go for victories. Collins and Piero both starting and tearing teams like Yeovil to bits. Start Mandy and play him as a number 10 where he can link play up.
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We looked better offensively when Mandy came on , unfortunately Bentley made the change just after the 2nd goal went in. Lincoln knew he was dangerous and they had 2 men on him and were over-physical which the ref seemed to ignore.
He really needs to start games. Earlier in the season there was a good little system developing with Mandy , Leitch-Smith and Oates. Leitch-Smith is out for the season , Oates has been injured as has Mandy.
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Which is Jim's usual mentality. Kenyon was our third centre back yesterday - it was clear that we had a back line of 5 throughout the game. What was worse was the way they were so far back towards our own goal - they were deliberately staying back instead of pushing forward, just inviting pressure. When will Jim learn that the best form of defence is attack!
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As soon as the board showing that Mandy was coming on, their management team immediately instructed at least one of their players to pay special attention to Mandy and so it proved but to his credit his class did show through on a number of occasions despite some shirt pulling and bending of the rules that the blatant incompetence of the referee constantly ignored.
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He decided on the change 5 minutes before the goal, as is usual our substitutions seem to take an age as they check their vests and monitoring equipment before being given instructions and waiting for the officials. I suspect the instructions to Mandy and Collins were wasted after the 2nd went in.
I would have rather gone for it at home and lost 4.3, after the celebrations and confidence boost at Oldham, we once again went back in our shell, the space and respect was far too great.
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Latest update from Morecambe:
Back to playing how he was at the start of his stay with us, lots of nice passes, really involved and scored with a nice header from a superb cross. He had gone off the boil and had a few anonymous matches, so I think it is fair to expect him to fight for a place back in the starting eleven. Perhaps it is consistency? Perhaps it is the mental side to his game? Perhaps his confidence is fragile, so a couple of poor games affected him too much? Today, him & Fleming made a big difference when they came on, so hopefully, that will give him a lift. If Kev had spotted his run and played a simple pass, he'd have been one on one with the keeper at the end of the match, so great position.
I would expect him to start on the bench again next week and perhaps he'll be an impact sub for a few more games. But I'd like to see him stay with us for next season and hopefully Jim will develop him, working out what it is that is missing, or more to the point, why he went missing for a while? Good player, just need him at his best every week!
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He has hardly had any game time in recent weeks so no wonder we haven’t had a match report on him since February.
Perhaps he just isn’t good enough for a regular place in the team?
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It could be due to a lot of things why he has not been playing.
At the end of the day its down to a manager and the way he wants to play his team, it is very subjective who he picks to play his system.
The manager, who is under pressure from the supporters, wanting his head, sets his team up to not lose the game, that's what happens when you are in a relegation battle.
I have said many times that Mandy is not your greatest defender and when he is played mainly in a defensive roll Mandy can't give of his best but play him just behind two strikers then you get the best of him. I feel the same about Blair, he is not a full back, but play him as a winger, bingo, but he is having to play out of position right now.
The way I see it Mandy is a young lad, 22, and probably needed a rest having played 37 games this season hence being on the bench in recent times. Personally I wouldn't read anything else in to it not many players get that far in a season.
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Alick, he has only made 25 starts this season and in ten of those he was brought off.
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I'd say he's been on the bench because he hasn't been deemed good enough to start recently. Occam's razor.
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In my defence Hound the stats I looked at did not break it down so finely as your research did.
When it comes to stats they can be manipulated to reach a set conclusion. I speak from experience on that point as I have a boy who did a masters in statistic and boy is he difficult to debate with. You wouldn't want to get caught with him after a few pints at a party.
The thing that stands out for me is that the manager sees Mandy as a luxury when he cant do the defensive roll he wants hence the poor stats. Unless Mandy improves with his defensive work he would be better calling it a day and move on.
A friend of mine, Dave Hunt, who based his game on playing CM was in his mind played permanently in the wrong position and therefore could not play his best. I did watch him play for England U19 and he was superb. He became a football journey man and retired last season. As an example he was promised CB at Leyton Orient but Ling played him at full back and that seemed to be how his career worked out for him, played out of position.
I would say the same thing goes for Matty Blair but that's the way football works or doesn't as the case might be.
RoversAlias,
If you read what I have written carefully you will see that is exactly what I am saying but where we disagree is the reason for not being favoured by the manager.
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He's now had 4 managers who don't favour him, that seems like more than coincidence to me. He is obviously a talented lad but you can't make a career out of talent alone and given this loan spell has gone South as well I'm not sure he's got much of a future in the professional game.
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I don't think there is any fear of Mandy leaving football any time soon. The example I quoted, Hunty, is an example of a player never allowed to play in a position he really wanted and at Morecambe its the same for Mandy. I suppose he needs a manager like Sean O'Driscoll or old Cloughy. one capable of pressing the right buttons
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Mad how it's everyone's fault but Mandeville, as usual.
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If he now hits good goal scoring form to the end of the season, and plays well, being a loan player and under contract to June, he could well strengthen our back up strike force for the playoffs, what do you think RJ?
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Mad how it's everyone's fault but Mandeville, as usual.
RJ,
If you read what I have written I have repeatedly pointed out what I think is Mandy's weak points and defending is his weak point followed by poor tackling. When a manager demands that he plays out of his best position you won't get the best out of him and that goes for any player.
I feel that if Morecambe were top of the league Mandy could play to his strengths but the team is in fear of relegation and he sets his team up not to lose.
To support what Selby says Mandy is 22 could he not fit in with our U23 squad? I think the club policy was to have 3 players for each position? Can't honestly see that happening but "football is a funny old game"
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He’s a forward, the vast majority of forwards’ weak points are their tackling and defending. I don’t know a lot about Morecambe but I imagine they have still been playing at least one forward every week - if he was good enough or willing to work hard enough for the team he would still be playing. It’s not like they’ll have been picking 10 defenders every week which is keeping him out of the time.
Just to clarify an earlier comment - I said I’m not sure he has a future in the professional game. What I mean by that is that it wouldn’t surprise me to see him go the way of Liam Wakefield or Harry Middleton and out of the football league.
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Just to reiterate, I set this topic up not to say Mandy is great and its a mistake to put him out on loan.
This topic is to re-produce the comments made by Morecambe supporters both good and bad.
He is still one of our contracted players and I thought it would be good idea to let those of our supporters that are interested know how he was doing.
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Nice cameo appearance from Mande yesterday, one of his first acts was to run through 3 players and put a cross in! Not seen that from our side in the whole match. Nice header to win a game we were fortunate to still be in. Hope he stays here as he is an exciting forward thinking player.
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Delighted for Mandy and he certainly along with Fleming changed what had been a sterile performance.
He looked really pleased with himself as he came off the pitch which should have done his confidence a power of good.
Hopefully there is a place for both him and Fleming in future team selections.
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both were excellent I thought when they came on.
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totally agree, i was shouting for him to come on as we had no creativity at all, his touches and passing are second to none, a real class act.
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A bit of the old “Mande magic,” which he is very capable of. Would be great if yesterday provided the catalyst for a return to form, and favour for him. It is definitely in there.
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Perhaps one of the statos can let me know, did Mandy's loss of form coincide with Flemo's injury? Perhaps Flemo brings out the best in Mandy?
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Could have a point there, Keith. when Flemmo was replaced by Cranston early October it was only 3 of 4 games later Mandy hit the bench.
Flemmo has a much better eye for a pass rather than a long range punt. Noticeable for me yesterday that he was sliding through forward passes rather than the sideways movements he has been famous for, this is obviously easier done now we have forwards eager on getting the ball.
Oates could have been subbed earlier for me.
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Flemo got injured before the Grimsby game (29th September), Mandy scored in that one and got 3 assists in the 3 matches following. He then went a bit off the boil, and stopped getting full matches in late November.
I think there's more to it, he's a young player who's inconsistent, but definitely been one of our brighter sparks this season and deserves a chance if we can keep him.
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Good point from Little Shrimp too about Fleming & Devitt together. Strange how we went from being unable to cobble together a healthy midfield earlier in the season, to having an embarrassment of riches now. Cranston was far better in midfield than defence I thought. If Fleming & Mandeville can form a partnership, then where does that leave Wildig, who when fit and on form, is superb? I like Kenyon as a defensive player, although since his goal, he appears to be shooting from everywhere! Oates can be great going forwards, although a bit off the pace yesterday and fitness may be an issue. Who would you start & who would you drop? Does it mean that Jim has the 'luxury' of picking and choosing depending upon who we are playing? But that's my biggest criticism of Jim, that I think he spends too much time worrying about the opposition rather than sticking with our best team and letting them worry about us...
One of the good things about Mandeville's loss of form, when it was... he's much less likely to be on anyone else's radar as the scouts will have missed him at his best! Hopefully we'll get him to sign permanently.
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If he now hits good goal scoring form to the end of the season, and plays well, being a loan player and under contract to June, he could well strengthen our back up strike force for the playoffs, what do you think RJ?
Sure. But I don't see that happening.
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RJ neither can I, but if Marquis and Wilks stay fit and play the majority of the time on the pitch, Sadlier has now become the man to turn to, and rightly so, he looks a good player and a threat in front of goal.
Smith? will his loan period cover the playoffs, I hope so, another who looks quick and threatening, but if Mandeville does hit goal scoring form, and also gets game time to the end of the season why not add him to the group? he will still be under contract to us and we will still be paying his wages to the end of June.
Yes he will be leaving, but the club and player owe it to each other for it to be on the right terms.
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Liam was outstanding when he came on. Two brilliant touches that left defenders for dead, an outstanding cross and a great header. The ball control to beat two players you rarely see at this level and was a joy to watch.
He’s clearly got some skeletons in his closet but he has the potential to be a massively successful player for us and higher up the leagues. I really hope we’ve got the belief in him that he can make it and in himself to really want it.
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I heard and not sure if true, he goes out drinking/clubbing too much, which you cannot do if you want to be a professional footballer. Yes he is only 21 years old but he should concentrate of rebuilding his career.
He is a class player and could easily play at a higher level (Mark Duffy, Carl Baker level) if he focuses. His touches and skills to get past players in the final part of pitch is one of the best.
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I saw him on the right earlier this season where he was good, but looked a bit shackled. Came on on the left wing on Saturday and looked far better on that side. Able to more naturally drift into central positions on his stronger foot, which is how I think we'll probably utilise him best in our current system.
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that is where i would like to see him play, his close control will open up any defence !
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I'm with Alick. I'd love to see him as a play maker behind a front two or as a false 9 behind a quick striker like a Jack Redshaw.
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Posh,
Its a no brainer for me. Why is Mandy given a defensive role when he is relatively useless at it. Yet put him behind the strikers and use the strength of his ability. The best form of defence is to attack and this kid has the ability to do it and at a higher level.
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What is a defensive roll.
Maybe a new type of sandwich ?
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Wonder how much it'll cost in the BVB?
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RJ, perhaps we could all meet up, and I am sure a man of substance will stand the bar bill.
OH, just a thought, are you old enough to go in a bar?
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RJ, perhaps we could all meet up, and I am sure a man of substance will stand the bar bill.
OH, just a thought, are you old enough to go in a bar?
Comments like that make me wonder if you are.
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What is a defensive roll.
Maybe a new type of sandwich ?
You could say he is a bit tasty!
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What is a defensive roll.
Maybe a new type of sandwich ?
You could say he is a bit tasty!
I noticed that you have edited your post Alick.
On the “tasty” subject.
Maybe he is only tasty to one or two palates.
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Hound,
Yes I have, a bit slick eh!
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Hound,
Yes I have, a bit slick eh!
Like grease on a slide mate.
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I was unable to put the address for Sky football highlights but for those interested in Mandy's goal on Saturday follow this route:
Enter in search bar, Sky football.
Put Morecambe in the search box.
A headed goal, now there's a surprise!
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Unfortunately he and 100s that are released by clubs every summer are not good enough for League football
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Unfortunately he and 100s that are released by clubs every summer are not good enough for League football
It is interesting when it comes to Mandy I for one do not feel that he will go out of football at the end of the season, in fact, I am still convinced there is more to come from him. I don't suggest you go back through all 17 pages of comments but I would suggest the majority of the comments from Morecambe supporters are positive and I would go so far as to say he has become a fans favourite. I am guessing there is an issue with why he is so out of favour at Donny, that's life, and its right he moves on but its certainly not out of football just yet.
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He could go to Peterborough, Haven't they got a record of getting non league players and getting millions for them later on.
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and didn't Fergy wax lyrical about Mandy?
Sad thing is how long will Fergy be at the Posh?
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Ferguson was the one who packed him out on loan.
I don’t see how he can be considered to be interested in taking him on.
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Hound,
I think Selby is pulling your leg! and you bit!
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Hound,
I think Selby is pulling your leg! and you bit!
Sorry Alick, you are wrong there.
I was responding to your post about Ferguson waxing lyrically about Mandeville.
I never even noticed that post by selby as it happens.
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WHAT? you took no notice.
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WHAT? you took no notice.
Who are ya.
Who are ya.
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WHAT? you took no notice.
Shit post no fans.........
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I see he got subbed off again.
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I do actually appreciate these updates on one of our players out on loan. I wouldn’t have the time to search them out myself so it’s interesting to see the comments collated into one place. However I think it’s clear that Mandeville doesn’t have a future at the club. One player that is out on loan getting games, and who I think many of us hold high hopes for, is Danny Amos. Just a suggestion to the OP but wouldn’t it be good to shift the emphasis from Mandeville to Amos?
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Good call Jonathon
Could be a "Sticky" - Rovers on Loan - or similar so they are all there and users than then choose to look or not.
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Jonathan why don't you start an Amos thread
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To be fair this thread is pretty specific, if anyone wants to post about another player or loaners in general then start another thread!
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Also be interesting to keep tabs on how kiwomya is doing
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Jonathan why don't you start an Amos thread
As I said I wouldn’t have the time to search for the material. This wasn’t a slant on the opening poster, just a thought given that it’s become clear that Mandeville won’t play for us again.
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Its been a very interesting experience creating and maintaining this topic on Mandy. Some comments have been sarcastic, insulting, and even questioned my sexuality on one occasion.
Not to forget Hound's eye for spelling mistakes. It is nearly over now and Mandy is not coming back. I am sure we all wish the kid well, aged 22, surely there is more to come.
I would have liked to have finished with an interview with Mandy on the lines that Glen did with Sean O'Driscoll. What stood out for me in Glen's interview was when Sean said "I couldn't say anything, because if you say anything then the terms of your contract will be breached, so they had me over a barrel"
The same applies to Mandy, what went wrong for him at Donny? did Fergy stop talking to him? was Mandy a party animal? was he just not good enough? I don't think we will ever find out Mandy's view!
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Peterborough here he comes
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Again selby, why would Ferguson want him?
He got him out on loan quickly enough.
Unless of course you think Ferguson will soon get sacked yet again from a Peterbro.......... or maybe that Peterbro will be relegated to L2 next season.......Mandeville level.
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Here are some more comments. I don't see anyone wanting to get rid of Mandy in fact most supporters comments want to sign him.
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I like him , Fleming and Mandy completely changed the recent Crawley game when we had been outplayed.
He links play up nicely and I would like to see him signed on permanently.
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Ranks highly in the divisions assists charts and a few weeks back I saw a stat showing him to have created the most chances in League Two out of any player 21 or under. Pretty great stats considering he's playing for a lowly side and has been something of a bit-part player for the latter half of the season!
Hope we can get him signed up next season.
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Here's Liam saying how he is happy to be back in the team :-
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Mandy played really well in the first half. Less so in the second half. Looked knackered by about 80th minute. Had a shot wide after about five seconds! That would have been a cracking start
Certainly hope we can sign him. He's looking confident again.
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I hope they sign him.
He will be ok at L2 level.
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I hope they sign him.
It may end this obsession.
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Stockton, a poster I have a lot of time for, this is for you, the last posting on Mandy.
I did make some good contacts with Morecambe supporters who thanked me for topic on the Morecambe forum. From some of the private emails I have received I have been able to form a more accurate picture of Mandy's mental make up and it left me concerned about his welfare.
I am convinced that Mandy is in need of the kind of manager that can press the right buttons to sort him out.
Is it lack of ability? no, is it partying and drinking? I just don't know but Mandy has a problem that he has to come to terms with.
Fergy's method of dealing with him obviously didn't work.
Mandy had quite a good season on the whole and I would expect him to sign for Morecambe.
The last comment from the Morecambe forum.................
"When you signing Mandy
You know it makes sense",
Says it all really.
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That he's a decent player but nothing special for a lower League Two club? aye. Says it all.