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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on October 10, 2018, 07:42:13 am
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A game against a team we played four times last season, and ended up on the wrong side of the result three out of four times.
They always play with spirit, in Henderson, Wilbraham, McGahey, and Cannon have some very good players at this level who have troubled us in the past, and a good experienced manager, so a difficult game in prospect for us to get back on track with our league form.
After an encouraging game last night, with most of our fringe players at last showing they can play a bit things are looking up on the substitute bench, with Alfie May especially pushing to be involved together with Crawford and the two Andersons.
Can Kane play or is he suspended? if not he will be a very big miss. Other than that I would pick the same starting line up, hard on May, but Wilks was our best attacker against Fleetwood, having our best effort on goal, setting up Marquis for his missed header, and being bundled over when going past two central defenders on the edge of the box, and Marquis is a shoe in, but it is great that May is pushing for a start, and they now have competition.
If Kane is out I would bring in one of Anderson or Crawford, and if Butler is injured Tom Anderson to replace him.
Can we get back to winning ways?
What team would you pick?
Are you going to the game?
Are you happier the bench is showing signs of improvement?
What positions would you like to see strengthened in the next transfer window?
Lots to discuss please have your say.
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The question is who did enough last night to force there way into the team..Not his biggest fan but May apparently had a very good game.Obviously Kane is out so it's a forced change in midfield..
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Only one player did enough to try and force the managers hand that was Alfie May. GM will have to decide whether J Anderson, my choice, or Crawford will play the centre three. If Butler is not available then T Anderson would come in.
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Only one player did enough to try and force the managers hand that was Alfie May. GM will have to decide whether J Anderson, my choice, or Crawford will play the centre three. If Butler is not available then T Anderson would come in.
MMMM - I think that covers it nicely - and also explains why Kane was playing !
We won convincingly enough and probably could / should have scored 5 ? 6 ? 7 ? and yet there seemed very little there for GM to latch onto and take a positive from (as Managers like to say)
I was bullish about another victory at Spotland but I will maybe have to revise / wait for injury outcomes before unleasing the Taurus in me !
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I think Crawford will come in but at least this is a position we have good depth at. Not to take away from Kane though who will be missed as he is a class player.
This will be my first trip to Spotland, looking forward to it and I certainly hope it doesn't end as the fixture did last year with those two goals at the death.
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I think Crawford will come in but at least this is a position we have good depth at. Not to take away from Kane though who will be missed as he is a class player.
This will be my first trip to Spotland, looking forward to it and I certainly hope it doesn't end as the fixture did last year with those two goals at the death.
Chippy outside the away end. You won't regret it.
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Seeing as how the Spotland pitch can't handle anything above a brief shower, might be worth checking the game is on before leaving if the forecast for gales and heavy rain in the north west is correct.
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with better finishing from both sides, it could have been a 4 all!!, that said the defense will have taken much confidence from a clean sheet.
Alfie was the star by a mile!!! he was everywhere!!! speed, great footwork.. .took both goals with confidence!..
ps, anyone recommend any parking if the stadium car park is full?
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with better finishing from both sides, it could have been a 4 all!!, that said the defense will have taken much confidence from a clean sheet.
Alfie was the star by a mile!!! he was everywhere!!! speed, great footwork.. .took both goals with confidence!..
ps, anyone recommend any parking if the stadium car park is full?
Plenty of street parking pal.
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ps, anyone recommend any parking if the stadium car park is full?
From Football Ground Guide
Car Parking at the ground is now for permit holders only, so it is a case of finding some street parking. However the streets in the immediate vicinity of Spotland are for 'residents only,' so if you are not careful you could end with a parking ticket for your trouble, so check first to see if there are street parking restriction signs, before deciding to park up. There is street parking to be had along the main A680 (Edenfield Road) which can be found at the end of Willbutts Lane, only a 5-10 minute walk away from the stadium.
Post Code for SAT NAV: OL11 5DR
https://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/league-one/spotland-rochdale.html#adirections-and-car-parking
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Seeing as how the Spotland pitch can't handle anything above a brief shower, might be worth checking the game is on before leaving if the forecast for gales and heavy rain in the north west is correct.
Till quite recently they had been Promoted only in 1968/9 (We were of course Championes sic). I asked a bloke who supported them why they were so poor at getting promo ! He said it was because the Pitch waterlogged every Winter and was heavy to play on and they also lost lots of fixtures and ended with 10 games in hand. Lots of the oldies on here will remember that happening every Season
Then 10 years back maybe a bit more they said "enough is enough" and decided to dig up the drainage system and upgrade it to make it more efficient - and guess what they found ? Nothing - it seemed that there never had been a system in the first place. So they installed one and got promos in 2010 and 2014 so it looks like it worked
I was told this by a Bloke (Health and Safety Inspector) many years ago and I never doubted his word !
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Only one player did enough to try and force the managers hand that was Alfie May. GM will have to decide whether J Anderson, my choice, or Crawford will play the centre three. If Butler is not available then T Anderson would come in.
MMMM - I think that covers it nicely - and also explains why Kane was playing !
We won convincingly enough and probably could / should have scored 5 ? 6 ? 7 ? and yet there seemed very little there for GM to latch onto and take a positive from (as Managers like to say)
I was bullish about another victory at Spotland but I will maybe have to revise / wait for injury outcomes before unleasing the Taurus in me !
Another victory at Spotland Wolfie?, you have to go back a while since the last one; I make it 4 seasons ago, with a 3-1 win.
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... ah yes - when I wrote that I thought it may spell trouble !
I meant I was feeling bullish about another victory (after last night) - and added "at Spotland" rather than just stopping the sentence there !
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Seeing as how the Spotland pitch can't handle anything above a brief shower, might be worth checking the game is on before leaving if the forecast for gales and heavy rain in the north west is correct.
Till quite recently they had been Promoted only in 1968/9 (We were of course Championes sic). I asked a bloke who supported them why they were so poor at getting promo ! He said it was because the Pitch waterlogged every Winter and was heavy to play on and they also lost lots of fixtures and ended with 10 games in hand. Lots of the oldies on here will remember that happening every Season
Then 10 years back maybe a bit more they said "enough is enough" and decided to dig up the drainage system and upgrade it to make it more efficient - and guess what they found ? Nothing - it seemed that there never had been a system in the first place. So they installed one and got promos in 2010 and 2014 so it looks like it worked
I was told this by a Bloke (Health and Safety Inspector) many years ago and I never doubted his word !
I drove there last season, there's some parking just down the road on a main road you can chuck your car in. Might be a bit busier with it being a Saturday but there's plenty of places to park not a million miles away.
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with better finishing from both sides, it could have been a 4 all!!, that said the defense will have taken much confidence from a clean sheet.
Alfie was the star by a mile!!! he was everywhere!!! speed, great footwork.. .took both goals with confidence!..
ps, anyone recommend any parking if the stadium car park is full?
Park up near the cemetery pub excellent real ale and a nice walk to the ground
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Seeing as how the Spotland pitch can't handle anything above a brief shower, might be worth checking the game is on before leaving if the forecast for gales and heavy rain in the north west is correct.
Yes it can these days. Had very heavy rain last season before and during the match and the pitch was fantastic. One of the best in the league.
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Not the biggest fan of mays but apparently he had a very good game on Tuesday night. His confidence should be sky high so he could have earned himself a chance to start a game. Not sure ahead of who though out of Wilkes and Copps.
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Wilks seems below par at the moment, especially scoring. Perhaps May could take his place with Wilks coming on later as an impact sub.
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I don't think May can do much more!
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Lots of rain is forecast, isn't their pitch prone to flooding?
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Lots of rain is forecast, isn't their pitch prone to flooding?
See the post above about the drainage system.
On windy.com at the mo they have it as a nice break in the rain before and during the match, 19*C but feels like -20*C with the 40mph gusts of a southerly wind and it being Rochdale.
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Lots of rain is forecast, isn't their pitch prone to flooding?
See the post above about the drainage system.
On windy.com at the mo they have it as a nice break in the rain before and during the match, 19*C but feels like -20*C with the 40mph gusts of a southerly wind and it being Rochdale.
They had the pitch re laid twice last season and as I posted previously the pitch was immaculate when we played there last season and it rained bucket loads before and during the game.
Only way it will be off is if we get a monsoon or gale force winds that make football impossible.
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After watching the Grimsby game I would add May ,Crawford and Lawlor.
Lawlor ,Mason.Wright, Butler Andrew,Whiteman Crawford ,Copps, Wilks.Marquis ,May....with Taylor a close call to replacing Wilks
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After watching the Grimsby game I would add May ,Crawford and Lawlor.
Lawlor ,Mason.Wright, Butler Andrew,Whiteman Crawford ,Copps, Wilks.Marquis ,May....with Taylor a close call to replacing Wilks
I suspect Lawlor will get a chance at some point but don't think now is the time.
From the little I've seen of May, he's come on lots but still a way to go. I don't think that Grimsby game really shows where he's at, he's definitely a good player, great at that kind of level, but still to establish himself to League 1. It's a toss up between Wilks and May depending on tactics and form in training.
I'd also play Blair and bring on Crawford for Copps at this point. Again, maybe training form and tactics would change that.
Taylor will come good too and will get his chance, just doubt now is his time. That move of his in the highlights of the Grimsby game at 0:44 was sublime.
https://youtu.be/p5X08M-fcGk?t=44 (https://youtu.be/p5X08M-fcGk?t=44)
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I noticed that McCann is toying with the idea of playing Tom Anderson tomorrow, because Butler and Wright are both on four yellows. He doesn't want to be without them both for the next game.
In fact I am quite in favour of the idea. Butler has had a couple of poor games and Wright had his worst game of the season last Saturday. Also Anderson's physical presence might be useful against Andrew.
I would start with Crawford in midfield in place of Kane and bring in May for Wilks. I wouldn't drop Copps despite the fact he hasn't influenced the last couple of games much. I just think he's struggling to do Saturday- Tuesday - Saturday and will be better for a quiet week.
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Looking through the post's there is plenty of slightly different opinions on the team make up after the last two disappointing results.
The first real test this season of Grant's managerial nous whether he can stear us back onto the winning path, I am sure he can but this game will be a big test.
Interesting the theory that Coppinger has not affected the last few games, probably why we lost, and does it show the other players can't do it either? or just that as a team we have not performed, the latter is more the truth to me, and the fact that Rowe has not played, those two (Coppinger and Rowe) with Kane gave the best midfield display since our championship days of Stock and Wellens at Peterborough.
It now being more than a eleven man game, the substitutes are more and more important, I have never liked three in quick succession, it hardly ever works, and mostly disrupts rather than enhance a teams performance, although there is nothing wrong with an early substitution if a player is obviously off it, not something I think we could do better, but a lot of teams not just us are not that good at.
I hope for a win, we are more than capable of doing it if we get back to playing well, have a good day everyone.
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We lost last week because we never converted numerous chances we had. Plus the two centre halves were poor. Nothing to do with Cops influence. In fact it’s about time he scored that would influence the game.
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I have changed my formation again as I agree that it is wise to split Wright and Butlerl who are both on 4 yellows ..so Grant here is your starting line up.
Lawlor, Mason ,Wright ,Anderson , Andrew.Whiteman ,Crawford ,Copps , May , Marquis, Taylor.
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Will be a big challenge today and a test of how good or poor this team could be this season.
If we bounce back and get a win then it shows great character and resolve.
If we draw but play well then you'd say the same as above
Draw but play badly, well at least we didn't get beat
Loose and play well, clearly lacking strength in depth
Loose and play badly, oh dear lacking strength in depth 3 losses on the bounce and loss of form already
Just my thoughts
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I have changed my formation again as I agree that it is wise to split Wright and Butlerl who are both on 4 yellows ..so Grant here is your starting line up.
Lawlor, Mason ,Wright ,Anderson , Andrew.Whiteman ,Crawford ,Copps , May , Marquis, Taylor.
Why Lawlor?
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I have changed my formation again as I agree that it is wise to split Wright and Butlerl who are both on 4 yellows ..so Grant here is your starting line up.
Lawlor, Mason ,Wright ,Anderson , Andrew.Whiteman ,Crawford ,Copps , May , Marquis, Taylor.
Why Lawlor?
Fortunately McCann doesn’t agree!
Wouldn’t have started Taylor or dropped Blair either; would agree with benching one of Butler or Wright which is the only one I disagree with GM’s selection on.
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vote for your man of the match v Rochdale: https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=267586.0 :scarf:
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Well we got away with that a bit, but Rochdale can only blame themselves with some very poor finishing as bad as ours last week.
The two players who have been villyfied this week by some of our supporters as wanting dropping, Coppinger and Marosi, would be my picks for the man of the match award this week, Marosi pulling off a fantastic save in the first half when one of the Rochdale players actually connected with a shot on target
From the start it was end to end, full of action, and full of mistakes by both teams. Both defences looked brittle, an our midfield totally at sea at times, and very disjointed.
However the whole team battled, did not give in, and in Coppinger we had the player to make the difference, the setting up of the first and third goals being magical, and also well taken by Crawford and Anderson who scored their first goals for the club.
Three great points which is what matters, lots to improve on, but winning when we are not at our best is a feeling I could get to like.
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Well if any one thinks Copps can’t do it any more there was your answer today. Sublime. He won us the game with those assists.
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At times the game was like pinball in the middle of the park until the balk found Coppinger who showed with the ball he is still a class above... if he wants to and we don’t go up he’s still got another season in him at this level
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Well we got away with that a bit, but Rochdale can only blame themselves with some very poor finishing as bad as ours last week.
The two players who have been villyfied this week by some of our supporters as wanting dropping, Coppinger and Marosi, would be my picks for the man of the match award this week, Marosi pulling off a fantastic save in the first half when one of the Rochdale players actually connected with a shot on target
From the start it was end to end, full of action, and full of mistakes by both teams. Both defences looked brittle, an our midfield totally at sea at times, and very disjointed.
However the whole team battled, did not give in, and in Coppinger we had the player to make the difference, the setting up of the first and third goals being magical, and also well taken by Crawford and Anderson who scored their first goals for the club.
Three great points which is what matters, lots to improve on, but winning when we are not at our best is a feeling I could get to like.
Agree with every word Selby! Copinger made the difference today, Marosi played an important role too. Anyone wanting Lawlor to come in needs their head checking in my opinion, Marosi has been one of our top 3 players through the first quarter of the season alongside Marquis and Kane for me.
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The manager passed a test for me today, we were not at our best, the midfield were all at sea, the centre halfs and goalkeeper kept us in the game, the two strikers ineffectual,which has happened before as they do not gell, Marquis rarely playing well when paired with May.
But he found a way to win, fortunate yes, but the substitutes were spot on, Wilks playing well as mainly a lone striker, came on early enough to effect the game and got behind McGahey who had kept everyone in front of him, and was unfortunate not to win a penalty, and Anderson got what proved to be the winner with a run into the box. Taylor for Coppinger could have been 10 minutes later for me though.
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I've been disappointed with copps impact this season. Today, superb. It is why I believe he shouldn't play every week. He's benefited from a slightly easier week this week.
Nobody had really bad games or good games outside of that. Blair set a good tempo in midfield and the defence made some decent last ditch blocks. Arguably overplayed a bit and gifted the ball away though.
Thought all subs made a strong impact particularly Anderson who looked strong and got around a lot. I didn't like him in his first appearance. However he seems to have grown in confidence and there is something about him.
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The manager passed a test for me today, we were not at our best, the midfield were all at sea, the centre halfs and goalkeeper kept us in the game, the two strikers ineffectual,which has happened before as they do not gell, Marquis rarely playing well when paired with May.
But he found a way to win, fortunate yes, but the substitutes were spot on, Wilks playing well as mainly a lone striker, came on early enough to effect the game and got behind McGahey who had kept everyone in front of him, and was unfortunate not to win a penalty, and Anderson got what proved to be the winner with a run into the box. Taylor for Coppinger could have been 10 minutes later for me though.
I’m beginning to think your gripe with Taylor is personal. He had a positive impact today, including one excellent run from the half way line to the edge of their box.
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I've been disappointed with copps impact this season. Today, superb. It is why I believe he shouldn't play every week. He's benefited from a slightly easier week this week.
Nobody had really bad games or good games outside of that. Blair set a good tempo in midfield and the defence made some decent last ditch blocks. Arguably overplayed a bit and gifted the ball away though.
Thought all subs made a strong impact particularly Anderson who looked strong and got around a lot. I didn't like him in his first appearance. However he seems to have grown in confidence and there is something about him.
In many ways I agree. He can't do every game and he's clearly benefitted from a week off. But next week you've got three games. How do you manage that? Probably easier if Rowe was fit.
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I have changed my formation again as I agree that it is wise to split Wright and Butlerl who are both on 4 yellows ..so Grant here is your starting line up.
Lawlor, Mason ,Wright ,Anderson , Andrew.Whiteman ,Crawford ,Copps , May , Marquis, Taylor.
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Thank heavens GM is our manager! Can’t imagine any reason for dropping Marosi and he certainly played a huge part in our win today.
At least 3 saves which were ‘certain’ goals and I’m delighted that we have a proper keeper again.
Well done Marko.
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I have changed my formation again as I agree that it is wise to split Wright and Butlerl who are both on 4 yellows ..so Grant here is your starting line up.
Lawlor, Mason ,Wright ,Anderson , Andrew.Whiteman ,Crawford ,Copps , May , Marquis, Taylor.
Why Lawlor?
Fortunately McCann doesn’t agree!
Wouldn’t have started Taylor or dropped Blair either; would agree with benching one of Butler or Wright which is the only one I disagree with GM’s selection on.
Taylor was blowing through his arse on Tuesday so why him to a start
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Nick, I say what I think I see, that run down the middle was great, but basically his only real positive contribution, Cannon and their number seven were running past him at will in the last ten minutes, he was static and not getting back with them, was caught with the ball, and when we were wanting more effort off the ball and they were pushing forward he didn,t track the runners.
While Coppinger was on their right sided defender was tracking him, he didn't with Taylor and pushed forward. When he went off they just left McGahey back.
Leaving Coppinger on an extra ten minutes could have made it easier for us, and altered their game slightly.
How did he impress you?
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The only reason Coppinger is brought off early is due to stamina / preserving him, i always figure when he comes off that it means he has run his race. It's not usually tactical or anything like that.
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RA, I agree with you , but he was the most influential player on the field, and was more so as the game went on, the player they were scared of on the ball, and were keeping close to him and at least two men back.
As soon as he went off they had no need to be bothered picking up Taylor, who let his man run goal side of him in the short time he was on, giving our defenders another runner to pick up which caused us problems. Coppinger could have walked about in that area for ten minutes, and he would have commanded more attention from their defenders.
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RA, I agree with you , but he was the most influential player on the field, and was more so as the game went on, the player they were scared of on the ball, and were keeping close to him and at least two men back.
As soon as he went off they had no need to be bothered picking up Taylor, who let his man run goal side of him in the short time he was on, giving our defenders another runner to pick up which caused us problems. Coppinger could have walked about in that area for ten minutes, and he would have commanded more attention from their defenders.
Possibly true Selby, I don't disagree as Copps was brilliant yesterday but if he needs to come off then that's how it is. I'm sure it's managed between him and McCann. He's 38 years old soon.