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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: GazLaz on December 08, 2018, 05:44:15 pm
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What happens between one of our fans and the ball boy?
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Apparently the fan spat at him. Absolutely vile. Alfie May saw the incident and took care of the lad.
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in the Free Press
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/grant-mccann-furious-over-spitting-incident-between-doncaster-rovers-supporters-and-bristol-rovers-ballboy-1-9483820
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WE can't put up with this, a ban for life should be dished out with an apology from our club!!!
if it can be proved of course.
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Yep, disgusting.
Find out who they are ban them for life.
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Disgusting. A fine representative of our town. I hope he's found out and barred!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06v1kc8
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What the absolute f**k.??
What on earth possesses anyone, especially after we have won 4-0, to think it is ok to do that.??
What a stupid Kitson.
I hope the culprit is identified and dealt with as the law allows..
This is a disgrace and tars our club’s reputation..
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Sounds like the club and other fans are already on the case to identify the scum!
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Good, get them banned for life.
Some absolute pondlife following us around to away games, here's the epitome of it. Embarrassing for the club, and good on McCann and May for making sure the kid was helped out with this very unsavoury incident.
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To tell you the truth I am not surprised, we have a small group of kids who do behave badly at away games.
You only have to read back comments on this forum to know that we have good supporters who no longer go to away games because of this sort of behaviour.
I fully support our managers comments and his suggested action.
I would also like the club to offer a solution to this long standing problem and our supporters to fully accept it, it must be a joint effort, it can't be ignored anymore.
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It take stupidity like this to get clubs fined and supporters band . There can be NO excuse for this . When our manager felt the justification to lambast the fans before he could praise the team says it all . Root these idiots out and name and shame them , so they can feel the shame we all feel .
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This will be resolved if the fans who witnessed it have the balls to report it. This isn't gassing up, this is doing the right thing!!! Our clubs reputation has been tarnished, let's put it right!!
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What a Kitson....
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I'll never forget Swindon away a few years back when some young lad came up to me (pre-game in the away end) and asked me who I was supporting.
"Rovers, obviously"
"Yeah but we don't need your type here. You posh chino wearing Kitson"
Same as every club I'm sure but we have some real scumbags following us.
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I posted on Twitter
The vast vast majority of Rovers Fans will deplore this behaviour - and that same majority will be a) embarrassed by the shame brought on the Club b) would apologise to the Lad involved and c) support the finding and banning of the "fan" that did this
Hope that will sum what perhaps everyone except about 10 "Fans" will be thinking
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I'll never forget Swindon away a few years back when some young lad came up to me (pre-game in the away end) and asked me who I was supporting.
"Rovers, obviously"
"Yeah but we don't need your type here. You posh chino wearing Kitson"
Same as every club I'm sure but we have some real scumbags following us.
Did you laugh at him and give a pat on the head before sending him back to his mummy
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I'm actually shocked and surprised by this.
It's common knowledge that we have our fair share of scumbag types who follow us away from home. Even so, I never thought that this behaviour extended to spitting at children.
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From the BRFC forum:
http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/13425/doncaster-fans-spat-ball-boys
A truly appalling act.
An excellent response by GM and AM
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Last few away games I've been to some of our fans act worse than zoo animals. And they aren't all young lads either, 40 to 50 odd year old piss head scutters.
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Name and shame the moron
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Name and shame the moron
And ban him for life; no ifs, no buts.
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Get the cnut banned. No place for it.
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Hang him by his balls from one of the floodlights
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Hang him by his balls from one of the floodlights
Will his balls have dropped yet?
😀😀
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They will by half time
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I think its also classed as assault so whoever could well be prosecuted
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We have a small group of idiots who follow us away and they are not interested in the football.
I wasn’t there today but I’ve seen their unsavoury behaviour at previous away games.
But a line has clearly been crossed with this incident today and this must not go unpunished.
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Bet it was some 12 year old knob wearing Stone Island.
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I think its also classed as assault so whoever could well be prosecuted
Probably Section 39 Assault and the CPS probably wouldn't even want to know. If he's a juvenile without much form he'd get a police caution from the duty Inspector.
In the good old days of no cctv or mobile phones he'd have got a slap. Of course that's rather tricky now if you get my drift.
I remember going to watch a Derby in the West Mids in the mid seventies (maybe Villa Birmingham) and West Midlands Finest were escorting the away fans out of the ground. All the cops were wearing greatcoats and capes - as they did in those days - and the backs of all their uniforms were covered in fleg were said supporters had been spitting on them as they were being escorted out. Occupational hazard for a cop. Not a ball boy though
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ps. You wouldn't be able to name and shame him if he was a juvenile
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ps. You wouldn't be able to name and shame him if he was a juvenile
Then you name and shame the parents.!
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ps. You wouldn't be able to name and shame him if he was a juvenile
Then you name and shame the parents.!
You wouldn't be able to do that either, because if you name the parents you name the offender as well.
And believe it or not, that would be contrary to ECHR legislation because the parents haven't done anything wrong. Well, apart from bringing a little scratter into the world.
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Things must have changed then, I seem to remember if kids played truant the parents got into trouble..
Anyway, nane and shame or not, the scrote needs dealing with..
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If they were standing on the terrace there weren't too many at the front so should be easily picked out on the highlights or BRFC video of the game.
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Let’s hope that it isn’t a twelve year old who did it then.
If they can be named and shamed at 16 or 18 I hope they fall into that category.
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As we regularly win Awards for being a Family Friendly Club - this incident is both shameful and embarrassing.
I would like to see the individual "rooted" out and then "booted out" UNTIL he (I am assuming its a he) realises what he has done shames the vast majority of normal Football Fans - and realises that the Family Friendly Awards are something which the Club and the Fans are justifiable proud of and NOT to be trashed as easily as this
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I hope that when they are found as well as getting prosecuted. The club name and shame. It’s disgusting
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They should hand himself in to the police , before they gets a knock on the door.
If Alfie knows then it's only a matter of time .
Not making any excuses for who ever it was , but it was probably a spur of the moment thing that they thought was funny at the time, and now they'll will regret for a very long time.
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Thats why I dont want to see a Life ban ... Just what I said in post 3 above. They may fall out with Rovers before ban is up ... But people dont get life bans from driving even when they kill other people
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Thats why I dont want to see a Life ban ... Just what I said in post 3 above. They may fall out with Rovers before ban is up ... But people dont get life bans from driving even when they kill other people
No,They become Plymouth's goalkeeper! (Possibly worse than a life sentence)
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From the BRFC forum:
http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/13425/doncaster-fans-spat-ball-boys
A truly appalling act.
An excellent response by GM and AM
Some excellent posts re our fans. See z1zou, pirate and gashead. (Last 3 posts)
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Absolutely disgusting. I cannot work out what goes through some peoples heads at times.
Don't ban them. Lock them in a room and force them to watch every game Rovers played under Paul Dickov.
Seriously, I hope they are old enough to be named and shamed and I hope Doncaster as a club do something for the young ball boy. We have a fantastic reputation as a family friendly club but like some of you have already said, every clubs got the odd d**khead who try and drag the good name through the mud.
All this after a fantastic 4-0 win. Unbelievable!
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What lead to the exchange. The ball boy must have done something for the lad to want to spit at him. I’m not condoning it by the way, it’s terriblr, I’d just like to know what the full exchange was.
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Blaming the victim eh ? Why MUST the ballboy have done something ?
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Who’s blaming the victim?
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Blaming the victim eh ? Why MUST the ballboy have done something ?
I’m not blaming anyone. Just wondering what the story is. I guarantee you not the spitter didn’t just walk up to the ball boy and spit at him. There will have been something that sparked the act. You can’t judge any situation fully until you have all the facts. The behaviour by our fan was atrocious under any circumstances, how atrocious depends on what happened prior.
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So what provocation would warrant being spat on in the face?? Especially by a “fan” behind the perimeter fence and who has safety in numbers.??
Sorry, but there’s still no justification in spitting.. not that I am saying that is what you meant..
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The ball boy must have done something for the lad to want to spit at him.
I find it a little odd that you can ‘guarantee’ the ball boy did something to make the ‘lad’ want to spit in his face.
Have a think about what you’re typing.
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What lead to the exchange. The ball boy must have done something for the lad to want to spit at him. I’m not condoning it by the way, it’s terriblr, I’d just like to know what the full exchange was.
Was it you ??
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Blaming the victim eh ? Why MUST the ballboy have done something ?
I’m not blaming anyone. Just wondering what the story is. I guarantee you not the spitter didn’t just walk up to the ball boy and spit at him. There will have been something that sparked the act. You can’t judge any situation fully until you have all the facts. The behaviour by our fan was atrocious under any circumstances, how atrocious depends on what happened prior.
Aye, he'll have 'looked at him a bit funny', no doubt. Obvious reason for someone deciding to spit at him, I presume.
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If he's from Balby then that's par for the course to be fair.
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If he's from Balby then that's par for the course to be fair.
As a former Balbarian I resent that RedJ.😉
I'll pass it on to Andy Butler though.
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
Although a bar of soap and a bath, possibly.
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RedJ really !!!!!! I’m with idler a former resident
Spitting is a disgusting habit and to spit on a young ball boy is despicable, hope the offender is outed and treated with the same respect.
Great that Alfie and GM dealt with the initial aftermath.
I hope that the ballboy is not too affected by the incident
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
Although a bar of soap and a bath, possibly.
Why waste good water on a wesh when there's plenty of the stuff falls from the sky?
My dad's from Edlo so it doesn't get any better the further up the tree you look. :laugh:
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
What about women?
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
What about women?
Christ, some of the women I've come across in Moorends you wouldn't look at the wrong way... :laugh:
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
What about women?
Christ, some of the women I've come across in Moorends you wouldn't look at the wrong way... :laugh:
Exactly 😂
When you say come across.............
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Am from Moorends, I fear no man.
What about women?
Christ, some of the women I've come across in Moorends you wouldn't look at the wrong way... :laugh:
Exactly 😂
When you say come across.............
Now that's a story for another thread...
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Is there any news on the culprit being named - hopefully will be made to carry out some community service on Saturdays about 3pm
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Just a thought guys - anyone interested in chipping in to get the young lad something, maybe a Rovers shirt that we could get signed and/or pay for him to attend return game
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Think rovers have already gave him a signed shirt mate
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The ball boy must have done something for the lad to want to spit at him.
I find it a little odd that you can ‘guarantee’ the ball boy did something to make the ‘lad’ want to spit in his face.
Have a think about what you’re typing.
Something must have happened to spark the incident. I’m not saying the ballboy is guilty of anything at all, what he did may have been extremely minimal, but something will have happened. I spent a lot of years getting in trouble when I was younger and I know if an incident accurs like this it manifests from something else, however trivial it may be.
Spitting tends to be a reaction. To have a reaction you need an action. It may have been something as minimal as the ballboy not giving the ball back to one of our players or it could have been a verbal exchange, who knows.
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He probably "just" delayed throwing Balls to Rovers players - while noticeably favouring the home Team - or throwing it "hard" at a Rovers player
Something like that - though those are speculative - and as you say someone must have taken "offence" otherwise why randomly pick that Ball Boy ?
Anyway totally revolting whatever the provocation.
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If he's from Balby then that's par for the course to be fair.
f**k off you cock womble 😁
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Just a thought guys - anyone interested in chipping in to get the young lad something, maybe a Rovers shirt that we could get signed and/or pay for him to attend return game
I did suggest on Ball Boy or was it Ballboy 1 Question for Silent Majority that we (through The Club maybe) could make him Guest of honour at their next visit - and we the Fans could Crowdfund his Fare and a + 1 ?
Can Mods put these 2 or 3 Threads even together ?
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Is there any news on the culprit being named - hopefully will be made to carry out some community service on Saturdays about 3pm
I am sure that I have seen him named on Social Media - AND the Police had already been to see him
Can Mods put these 2 or 3 Threads even together ?
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The drfc fans FB page I believe named him, if this becomes official, who knows..
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Yes I thought so - and there was a bit of a surprise if I looked correctly !
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What lead to the exchange. The ball boy must have done something for the lad to want to spit at him. I’m not condoning it by the way, it’s terriblr, I’d just like to know what the full exchange was.
That toilet wall at Brentford must have really upset the animal that daubed DRFC all over it in excrement Gaz.
Some idiots need no provocation whatsoever .
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I'd be up for chipping in Wolfy. Pay for his parents and siblings as well. The club could surely put them in the decent seats and do the stadium tour and a meal. Show them and their club what our club and the majority of our fans are really like.
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No excuses for me..He was a child on his own,he was hardly going to be kicking off was he!!! So that's irrelevant to me..
It really saddens me that our own bloody players had to go over to a child and comfort him,escort him off and then GM had to apologise on behalf of the club because of one of us..
It also saddens me that people on social media know who he is but they think it means they have a big set of balls if they don't "grass"..
When they do find out who he is,he wants naming and shaming and in return for anything other than a ten season ban he should have to apologise to the lad and both clubs and the fan base..
There is no excuses,weve all been young,weve all gone on the lash on a away day,but those who who have even a ounce of a moral compass don't feel the need to spit in a childs face...
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What lead to the exchange. The ball boy must have done something for the lad to want to spit at him. I’m not condoning it by the way, it’s terriblr, I’d just like to know what the full exchange was.
That toilet wall at Brentford must have really upset the animal that daubed DRFC all over it in excrement Gaz.
Some idiots need no provocation whatsoever .
Orient, not Brentford.
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Confirmed by BRFC that GM gave the 8 year old a signed shirt
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I'd be up for chipping in Wolfy. Pay for his parents and siblings as well. The club could surely put them in the decent seats and do the stadium tour and a meal. Show them and their club what our club and the majority of our fans are really like.
I probably think the Club will do something. Just have to work out "what is the most appropriate thing" - assuming of course the Ballboy and Family are willing / able to accept whatever it is
... we DO win awards for the Family orientation we have and we should (I assume WILL) do something both to show others that we are serious (we ARE its obvious) and to show the perpertrator (or is that perperTRAITOR) how out of step THEY ARE with the rest of us
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Sorry RedJ, of course it was.
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DW the club are on it but I feel it needs something from us the fans too
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We don't even know the age of the fan that did the deed. He might be a junior rather than a boozed up Neanderthal.
Still no excuse of course.
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DW the club are on it but I feel it needs something from us the fans too
I agree totally but I think we would want to present a unified "image and approach". The trouble with us just going at something ourselves is the Posters on here have already generated 3 separate Threads on the same subject and we (VSC Posters) are just one of the Forums dedicated to Rovers and I have no idea how many of the 7000 average ish Fans are represented here
I do agree as a rank and file fan Fan that I would like to do "something" but getting all those diverse and disparate Groups organised would be difficult - and personally I would love to chuck money into th cause but maybe let the Club take the lead ? Difficult one all round I suppose
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Sorry RedJ, of course it was.
Real shit thing to do, regardless of whose toilets they were.
:coat:
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Please see e mail received back from Dave Parker at BRFC
Dear David
Please be reassured that no matter be at Rovers feels that the actions of 1 mindless individual reflects your club or the vast majority of your fans.
To be fair one of your subs, once he saw the ball boy crying and covered in phlegm, immediately comforted the 8 year old and took him in to the changing room to get cleaned up and calmed down. The Doncaster manager and all of his team were angry and upset by the incident and gave the lad a signed shirt. The manager even went on video to condemn the actions of this so called fan.
In summary a disgusting incident however between us all we are determined to deal with the perpetrator. The lad was supported and so hopefully there is no long term damage done.
Finally this does not in any way alter the relationship between both clubs as there are bad apples in every barrel.
Thank you for your kind supportive email
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I’m easy DW but will chip in if we go down that route
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Unless there is a typo in that email, the ball boy in question was only 8 years old..?
In that case this is even worse.. regardless of the perpetrators age, let’s have the law deal with this..
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Apparently perpetrator has been tracked down
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The offer to invite the lad and his family. to the return fixture plans are already a foot.
but thanks to the offers of help and chipping in/
Retford Rover
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No probs Paul offer stands if needed/required - Dave
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The offer to invite the lad and his family. to the return fixture plans are already a foot.
but thanks to the offers of help and chipping in/
Retford Rover
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What will you be doing with the rest of the coach seats for that one??? ;)
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I'd be up for chipping in Wolfy. Pay for his parents and siblings as well. The club could surely put them in the decent seats and do the stadium tour and a meal. Show them and their club what our club and the majority of our fans are really like.
wouldn't surprise me if GM was already making plans for something similar..
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Society has a fair share of spitters of vile .Our club is at the other end of the spectrum to all this .I hope this incident makes all of us realise that our behaviour whether it be spitting or filthy chants or angry taunts of players is what our Community NOT about .We too are the voice of our club's values at home and away .
I was pleased not to hear usual chant XXX is a shit hole I wanna go.home .Much prefer ' RTID ' as a chant .
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You can see Tommy and Alfie comforting the lad in the highlights video during one of our corners. He does look very young, can’t believe someone would do that to an 8 year old. Disgusting!
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You can see Tommy and Alfie comforting the lad in the highlights video during one of our corners. He does look very young, can’t believe someone would do that to an 8 year old. Disgusting!
I thought that was two gnomes asking the boy if he had written to Santa.
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So who was it?
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So who was it?
I am a techno dunce but the bloke was named / shown on Facebook earlier so a bit of digging and you will find it I am sure
Cant remember the name and not sure I could legally post it anyway - so even if I did know it I would just send people to look for themselves IF it is still there
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So who was it?
I am a techno dunce but the bloke was named / shown on Facebook earlier so a bit of digging and you will find it I am sure
Cant remember the name and not sure I could legally post it anyway - so even if I did know it I would just send people to look for themselves IF it is still there
Sorry Wolfie, I just cant find it on Facebook. You say it was a bloke that suggests 18+? and he spat at an 8year old!!!
I don't think he will show his face at the next home game.
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He looked well over 18 on the photo that I saw.
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Must have been taken down.
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He looked well over 18 on the photo that I saw.
Sounds like a bit of a hero picking on an 8 year old, bang goes his street cred
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He didn't look like the type to have much to start with Alicksmyhero.
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You can see Tommy and Alfie comforting the lad in the highlights video during one of our corners. He does look very young, can’t believe someone would do that to an 8 year old. Disgusting!
Just seen the video and it's good to see our players being so attentive and concerned also doing the positive thing to get the lad out of the way.
Apparently to culprit is 14 and is being dealt with.
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how do I find the video?
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Alick, Highlights video after the 3rd goal.
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It would appear the fan in question is a minor himself so people and the club have to be very careful on how they proceed with this due to the laws of the land so definetley no naming and shaming..
It's best if nobody goes on a witch hunt and just leave it to the club to sort out and who knows maybe some good will come out of it and the kid learns a valuable lesson that obviously his parents haven't taught him...
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I still can’t get my head round why even a 14 year old would think it’s OK to gozz on a much younger child.?
Yes as the culprit may be underage, he will need dealing with carefully but appropriately with what the law allows..
If his age means punishment is limited or not available, then the parents should take responsibility and therefore the retribution. Perhaps not named if that would identify the culprit..
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Was it someone on the terrace? if it was, how the f**k has a 14 year old even managed to spit that far?
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Maybe the ballboy went right up to the barrier to retrieve the ball.
I would imagine that apart from a Keepmoat ban the lad will also be unable to travel to away games on our coaches.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-issue-ban-to-supporter-who-spat-at-a-bristol-rovers-ball-boy-1-9491805 Good news.
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A fan has reserved a ban from rovers from the Bristol game don't know how long for at this time but for spitting it should be a lifetime ban for me
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Good that we have taken action but I am not supportive of a Life Ban personally
I have said previously maybe he should be counselled by the Club into why we and them find it so contrary to what they are all about and why they win awards for being family friendly and be banned simultaneously and providing he agrees to the Counselling let the Club decide when he has done his time
People murder , manslaughter people , Rape and kill people while they are drunk (and run off) and they dont get Life bans. Sure I think the Spitting is appalling but for me its not a Life ban
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A fan has reserved a ban from rovers from the Bristol game don't know how long for at this time but for spitting it should be a lifetime ban for me
Did n’t know you could reserve bans, can’t think why anyone would want to reserve one like 😀
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He should be banned for a period of time, but a life time ban is way over the top, it was a vile thing to do, he should be warned after his ban has finished that if he messes up again then a long term ban would follow
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A fan has reserved a ban from rovers from the Bristol game don't know how long for at this time but for spitting it should be a lifetime ban for me
Did you read the whole of the DFP report.? The club is taking serious action, so let’s leave them to deal with this disgusting act.
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They are acting in the best interests of everyone!
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Life bans dont work they just find another way to get in the ground,change appearance whatever.
They need educating,community service would be better imho
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Actually,I think bans work better than most people realise,yes they find another way to get in and change appearance whatever,BUT they then have to keep a low profile and stay out of trouble,because if they get caught and identified,then they will get a bigger ban or more punishment.
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Actually,I think bans work better than most people realise,yes they find another way to get in and change appearance whatever,BUT they then have to keep a low profile and stay out of trouble,because if they get caught and identified,then they will get a bigger ban or more punishment.
What's bigger than a life ban? an all eternity ban?
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Life bans dont work they just find another way to get in the ground,change appearance whatever.
They need educating,community service would be better imho
I have to agree with that, and in certain parts of the country its becoming standard practice. (I'm talking about remedial justice and education)
But when we talk about bans we have to be clear on the type of ban we're discussing. Are we talking about club bans that individual clubs can dish out? If so the individual is free to attend another football stadium whenever they choose. Or are we talking about banning orders? These draconian measure are being overturned on a regular basis due to their failure to demonstrate that they actually achieve what they're meant to.
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Actually,I think bans work better than most people realise,yes they find another way to get in and change appearance whatever,BUT they then have to keep a low profile and stay out of trouble,because if they get caught and identified,then they will get a bigger ban or more punishment.
What's bigger than a life ban? an all eternity ban?
We'll if the ban is initially 6 months,step it up to 2yrs etc.Some people banned from driving keep driving,but if caught they get increased punishment.But if SM says he agrees it generally does'nt work,then I accept your probably right.
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I read today that the club will be speaking to the lad who spat at the ballboy.
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Well done to the club for dealing this appalling incident with such speed and efficiency.