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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on April 14, 2019, 03:03:55 pm
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The result against Coventry at Sunderland came as a complete shock to me, and makes one wonder just what the reaction will be against us on Friday.
It can be interpreted as a freak result that will galvanise them to extra effort to put things right in their next game against us, or is it the start of pressure getting to their players, who are expected to win most games in this division against clubs like ours.
I hope it is the latter, and we can advance our own chances at getting in the playoffs at their expense, whatever I am expecting a hard fought game, and the experience of going to a new ground and a large crowd.
Our injury crisis is now looking to be in a better place, although non of the lads who have come into the team have in any way let us down, the inclusion of Kane and Whiteman would improve every team in this division.
Sunderland's team is full of players who have played at a higher level than league one, but have been found wanting as much mentally as footballing wise. Their large crowd are full of the expectancy that getting promotion from this division was going to be a breeze, especially when new owners came running over the hill to save them from financial problems after chasing the dream with an American owner.
Meanwile our form is four wins on the bounce ( have we ever done five perhaps Dutch can tell us), and the hope that we can go there and further disrupt their promotion push and enhance ours and at the same time help our neighbours from the outback over the hill.
Would you bring Whiteman back if he is declared fit?
Would Tom Anderson come into your team?
Are Sunderland over rated, or a team under-performing at this level ?
Are you looking forward to the Stadium of Light experience?
Do you think their Coventry result will effect their performance?
Will it spur them on to get back on track?
Or coupled with their loss at Wembley, is it a sign that their team are feeling the pressure of expectancy? and losing form at the crucial time of the season?
Lot's to discuss, and if any Mackems want to join in with sensible discussion please do.
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Nothing to lose. Everything to gain. Earlier results in the day may affect our approach however. A point will be useful.
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They have kept two clean sheets in their last ten home games in the league - against the lowest away scorers (AFC Wimbledon) and the second lowest away scorers (Plymouth Argyle). Their five clean sheets at home all season in the league have come against dross - AFC Wimbledon, Plymouth Argyle, Bradford City, Scunny and Southend United. They obviously conceded five at home yesterday.
Fancy us to have a go here. They are not great defensively at home.
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Hi guys, SAFC fan in peace here....
Hope you enjoy your trip up north on Good Friday and by all accounts a decent number of you will make the trip, so safe journey and enjoy the day.
Plenty of away fan friendly pubs, in fact all of them all to be honest.
We are recovering from yesterdays stranger than strange result and defensive performance against the might of Coventry, so expect a few changes, well we do, but who knows.
One thing we do know, is that we tend to score in every game, but like to let the oppo score first.
I have a lot of family from Harworth and a few travelling up for the weekend,so will be in opposite ends but have enjoyed my trips to Donny, albeit Belle Vue was on its last legs when i went there in the late 80's.
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Need to score an early goal, could get their fans on their back. All 36,000 of them.
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Need to score an early goal, could get their fans on their back. All 36,000 of them.
They will have over 40,000 home fans on Friday i reckon.
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I think I would take a point... depending on how the Peterborough game goes before ours anyway!
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DB, 0-0 and a winner in the 94th minute to get their crowd on their backs will do me
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I think the atmosphere will spur us on and Sunderland are under pressure. Which way it will go is anyone’s guess but i would be happy with a point. A win would be a massive bonus. And yes we can win if we give it a serious go.
We need to beat Accrington on Tuesday that’s the one where we must not slip up. Then that will put Peterborough under pressure to win away at Portsmouth and home to Sunderland.
Think they will now win at Fleetwood with the Joey Barton situation.
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If fit Marquis and Whiteman would replace Crawford and Sadlier. Anderson on the bench if fit. Unfortunate for him.
Maybe radical but I’d play 4 2 3 1
Whiteman and Kane has the two
Wilks right, Copps left and Rowe in the middle both could rotate.
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If we're not expecting a backlash, following their last game, then we're more naiive than I thought. Stem the early onslaught and hit back when we have the chance and you just never know.
I just hope we have everyone fit and able, including Ben Whiteman. I'd certainly go along with the 4-2-3-1 formation in an effort to tie things up in midfield, yet still be able to maintain our killer punch. JM's enforced time out may have done him the world of good.
As far as Fleetwood are concerned, it may just make them close ranks and pull together tighter. Who knows, so long as they get a result I couldn't give a damn.
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If fit Marquis and Whiteman would replace Crawford and Sadlier. Anderson on the bench if fit. Unfortunate for him.
Maybe radical but I’d play 4 2 3 1
Whiteman and Kane has the two
Wilks right, Copps left and Rowe in the middle both could rotate.
Whiteman and Kane have the two what?
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The two in 4 2 3 1
Like
Blair. Downing. Butler Andrew
Whiteman. Kane
Wilks. Rowe. Coppinger
Marquis
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I’d take a draw and now because I’m sure there will a reaction after loosing to Coventry. We are below our best away from home and Marquis will be under even more pressure to perform against a team that made a bid for him . But I wouldn’t put it past him to have the game of the season . So 0-0’it is 😂
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Marquis is under no more pressure than what he puts on himself in every game.
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Marquis is under no more pressure than what he puts on himself in every game.
I know where your coming from but I’m sure he will have it on his mind about the bids etc and wanting to show Sunderland what they missed out on. It’s human nature.
I’m sure he will be desperate to score anyway.
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My concern is our poor away form. We got the result at Bradford but the performance was abysmal. Apart from Preston, we haven't performed well on the road since December.
I don't think it will happen, but I dread the thought of another Luton when we didn't turn up; especially in front of the cameras.
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Looking at the goals from the Coventry game, almost all of them came with players running at the defense or slide balls onto diagonal runs. Get the ball down, get running at them, see how we go. Big crowd and atmosphere might spur us on. We get them rattled the crowd could turn on them... Big pressure on them to try and get that second automatic spot back.
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The Sunderland lad posted “ Belle Vue on its last legs in the late 80’s “ !!! Then we played on there for the next 20 years
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If fit Marquis and Whiteman would replace Crawford and Sadlier. Anderson on the bench if fit. Unfortunate for him.
Maybe radical but I’d play 4 2 3 1
Whiteman and Kane has the two
Wilks right, Copps left and Rowe in the middle both could rotate.
Whiteman and Kane have the two what?
The two in 4 2 3 1
Like
Blair. Downing. Blair. Andrew
Whiteman. Kane
Wilks. Rowe. Coppinger
Marquis
Whhhhooooosh
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The two in 4 2 3 1
Like
Blair. Downing. Blair. Andrew
Whiteman. Kane
Wilks. Rowe. Coppinger
Marquis
The Blair twins ...they kept that secret !
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The two in 4 2 3 1
Like
Blair. Downing. Blair. Andrew
Whiteman. Kane
Wilks. Rowe. Coppinger
Marquis
The Blair twins ...they kept that secret !
Yeah, but people tend to pronounce them differently to tell them apart - Blair and B-ut-lair
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The Sunderland lad posted “ Belle Vue on its last legs in the late 80’s “ !!! Then we played on there for the next 20 years
Yeah fair enough, nothing wrong with that, good things come to those who wait i spose, nice new stadium....
i can remember being shuffled into a tiny cage behind the goal with around 400 or so others.....maybe just being unkind to grounds that didnt hold too many
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Roker Park was a little tired by the time it was replaced, but the red and white surrounds of the pitch area must have helped many an offside goal for the Mackems.
Looking forward to the experience on Friday and hopefully we can put in a performance and it is a great game, certainly for both teams there is a lot riding on the game, and both set's of supporters will be feeling the pressure.
The loyalty to their team of all the North East sides has been a feature of my footballing life, even succeeding generations following the teams after generations of living in the Doncaster area mining villages, families still loyal to the teams their fathers supported before leaving to come and work in the mines around Doncaster. I bet most of us know someone or a family that are avid fans of a team from the North East and probably think why?
I always feel we have a connection some how, and admire their loyalty, but hope we beat them on Friday.
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Our away record is poor. In our last ten away league games we have won only two - one was against rock bottom Bradford City and the other was last year, 1-3 away at Gillingham. In that same run we have managed some good draws away at Blackpool, Portsmouth and in local derby at Scunthorpe, but we have also lost 5 in 10. Not great.
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True, feels like we have turned a corner recently though and been a bit less attack minded which makes a difference.
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It would be a great game to keep away momentum going after Bradford.
A win would be great but if we lose we need to bounce straight back in the next game.
The league table could be very interesting after the Easter games.
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This could be a great game for Wilks if he fancies it, watching the highlights from the 4-5 their defence didn't enjoy having to deal with quick, incisive runs into the heart of their ranks and Wilks loves to do that.
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I think it is set up for counter attacking football something our 4-3-3 formation is set up for. It would be great if Whiteman is also fit and Kane has come through saturday unscathed as I fancy us putting in an oakwell type performance.
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Whiteman and Anderson are both doubtful for the Sunderland game
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-injury-update-on-tom-anderson-and-ben-whiteman-1-9712237
COYR
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This could be a great game for Wilks if he fancies it, watching the highlights from the 4-5 their defence didn't enjoy having to deal with quick, incisive runs into the heart of their ranks and Wilks loves to do that.
Just watched the extended highlights from the home game they couldn’t handle Wilks pace and strength and he has only got better, we had so many more clear cut chances just hope we can put them away.
Hopefully we can get a few of them on some early bookings
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Injury situation is easing
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-latest-on-ben-whiteman-john-marquis-and-tom-anderson-ahead-of-sunderland-trip-1-9716364/amp?__twitter_impression=true
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This could be a great game for Wilks if he fancies it, watching the highlights from the 4-5 their defence didn't enjoy having to deal with quick, incisive runs into the heart of their ranks and Wilks loves to do that.
Just watched the extended highlights from the home game they couldn’t handle Wilks pace and strength and he has only got better, we had so many more clear cut chances just hope we can put them away.
Hopefully we can get a few of them on some early bookings
Unfortunately with Woolmer as Ref we will probably get the Yellow Cards for having the "nerve" to be clattered by getting in the way of superior Sunderland Players
He is appalling - dont take my word for it search Rate The Ref
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That sounds much better news about Whiteman.
Getting revved-up about this game now! If we play to our strengths we can give them a real scare. A similar performance to the one at Oakwell but with a little more luck and we'll get a result.
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Word of warning for anyone coming from or returning to Newcastle - the Metro is closed between 2 stops in the middle of the line so getting there would mean getting off and onto a replacement bus, then back onto the Metro. Will likely add at least half an hour. There are trains that run between the 2 which look the quickest/safest bet but they are only once an hour.
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Obviously a very difficult game this one..And I agree results earlier might effect our mind set..If Posh lose at Fleetwood it will give us the freedom of a free hit and we can have a real go at them..If Posh win we will naturally be a lot more cautious and that could spell trouble..
They had a lot of trouble at the Coventry game,and sad tales of Kids been hit with bottles thrown from above so I hope we can all behave and enjoy the day regardless..
I would be delighted with a point out of this one,our away form has been poor and if we are honest we didn't deserve the one we have got this year at Bradford..First goal is always vital but here more so,there crowd have turned on them a bit when things go wrong at home recently and we need to make that happen again..If we concede first and they are cheered on by 36k it may be a tough afternoon..
The big thing in our favour is those two bad results at home mean they really have to win a draw doesn't help them..
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There’s history between Sunderland and Coventry if I remember correctly.
Last day of the season some years ago, Sunderland were in a relegation battle with Coventry and another team who they just happened to be playing that day - one of the 3 would be relegated.
The Coventry game was held up for some concocted reason which meant that Sunderland’s game finished on time and there was still quite a bit of time left at Coventry.
The Sunderland score was announced over the tannoy which meant that if Coventry and their opposition drew, they would both be safe and Sunderland would be relegated - Either winning would send the other down.
Needless to say, they both passed the ball around midfield with no tackles or attacking intent for the remainder of the game to ensure they drew and Sunderland went down.
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It was 1977 Stockton. Due to big crowds at the turnstiles it was delayed by about 15 minutes I think. I think Coventry played Bristol City that night and they both finished a point above Sunderland who went down by a point. There were a lot of Sunderland fans when we went to Pontins a month later. They were still angry then.
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There’s history between Sunderland and Coventry if I remember correctly.
Last day of the season some years ago, Sunderland were in a relegation battle with Coventry and another team who they just happened to be playing that day - one of the 3 would be relegated.
The Coventry game was held up for some concocted reason which meant that Sunderland’s game finished on time and there was still quite a bit of time left at Coventry.
The Sunderland score was announced over the tannoy which meant that if Coventry and their opposition drew, they would both be safe and Sunderland would be relegated - Either winning would send the other down.
Needless to say, they both passed the ball around midfield with no tackles or attacking intent for the remainder of the game to ensure they drew and Sunderland went down.
The Fell Hand of Jimmy Hill at work there. He was Coventry chairman and asked the PA man to broadcast the Sunderland full time score.
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If you want a laugh, take a look at this guy doing a Sunderland preview on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/o-_zsn1Tox0
He's going to be presently surprised, come Friday tea time, as he has our line-up wrong. Keeper and back 4 ok, then it all goes Pete tong and he's hoping Marquis is not fit!
If only their manager was as switched on as this guy!
;)
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Alan, that is funny, but you cannot criticise the fans commitment to their teams in the North East, they are fanatical, and tribal.
Proper fans who have had good and bad times, but any sign of success and they are there in their thousands, and that is one thing our team will have to overcome on Friday.
Like the game at Barnsley we are going to be outnumbered, and by an even larger number of fans.
our team needs to feed off their unease, unsettle their collective which can soon transfer to their team on the field, as we have done in the past such as the final against Leeds and at Hillsborough,and against the Forest in the past.
In all those games the expectation of the oppositions fans got on top of their team, and our smaller band of fans rose to the occasion, something we will have to do again, and let the team know we are with them all the way.
The one thing I and we must believe is that we are capable of overcoming the odds,and they have lots of players that are used to failure, the likes of Catermole decent player as he might be has only tasted failure over recent years, a burden that lies heavy on their teams shoulders.
If we play well, I fancy us to get a result, and after our game at the Keepmoat they know we can play and that they have to be at their best to get a result.
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Setting off now, feel like a kid in a sweet shop.
Have a great day, 3 points please.
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Hope all you travelling fans have a great day, come back safely and bring the 3 points with you
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Just about to set off meeting family (Sunderland) fans for a pre match libation
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The A1 is nice and busy, were stuck in traffic at the M1 junction
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We're setting off around 1, will that be enough time or is it not day killingly busy?
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A1 is constant queuing with sheer weight of traffic. Coming off onto A19 soon to see if it's any clearer
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We always used the A19 when we worked in the area. That was 1970/80s though.
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Clear on A19
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Leaving Bradford about 1 so will join A1 near Knaresborough and hopefully a steady run. Could join topside of Ripon but no good at this time of day.
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Odds on Sky only talking about Sunderland?
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Is there a decent stream for the game?
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We’ve been second best again to everything , no aggression in the final third and passes falling short too many times . We have too many players who can’t step up their game when it matters . The playoffs will be short lived if we don’t start showing that we can play away from home against teams who know how to win games . Marquis today has barely had any decent service . L1 next season beckons .
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Lack of know-how and desire. All too easy for Sunderland.
On that display, we are nowhere near.
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So frustrating watching some players stop running for balls that end up going out which they could have kept in.
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At least JM put a shift in...
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Reminded me too much of our game against palace, but at least they were a premiership side. Really disappointed that we never looked like at least testing their keeper. We need to improve IF we make the play-offs but on todays showing we are a few quality players away from a championship team.
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Yes Sunderland were far better. Yes the ref was shit. What I can't take is not even getting close to the oppos work rate and effort. Very poor. McCann needs to find a way of playing away from home.
We beat Bradford away, but we were arguably worse then than today and got lucky with the opposition.
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Reminded me too much of our game against palace, but at least they were a premiership side. Really disappointed that we never looked like at least testing their keeper. We need to improve IF we make the play-offs but on todays showing we are a few quality players away from a championship team.
We had three shots on target and two corners all game today. Not going to get anything unless we threaten the goal. Presume one of those three on target was the Andrew free kick as well.
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Shots that hit the post don't count as on target.
Had we been given the two pens we might have had two goals.
Sunderland only had five on target.
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I didn't see the first 25 minutes of the game as I was making my way home from Oakwell .
The thing that struck me the most was I felt Rovers gave Sunderland far too much respect , Rovers needed to get right at them from the off and play on their apprehension from their result last saturday and the fact both ourselves and Pompey had already put our 3 points on the board .
That big crowd would have soon got nervous and the Sunderland players would have soon felt under tremendous pressure .
I was very disappointed Rovers had a bit of an off day for obvious reasons , many of your players simply didn't turn up .
Sunderland are a hard working mechanical side plus McGeady , nothing special in my opinion .
They were there for the taking after recent home performances .
That said I believe you have enough in hand to grab 6th spot .
My concern if I was a Rovers fan would be a slight concern over the handling of the bigger occasion in the play off campaign if we agree that yesterdays game at the SOL live on Sky was a bigger occasion .
I wouldn't go as far as to say freeze but it's in that ballpark .
The other aspect of the play offs entered my mind during a conversation I had in the pub pre match with fellow tykes yesterday .
Ourselves , Pompey , Sunderland and Charlton have for weeks now performed and accumulated points under the greatest of pressure , the points we are accumulating is fairly unprecedented , two clubs are likely to miss out on the automatic spot with over 90 points .
You could argue for weeks now we have all been well set for the challenge should a play off campaign be required .
I'm not saying I'm right on this but it could well be a factor .
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If it is not broken do not try to fix it. The cardinal sin of management, on the face of it the collective of slightly less gifted players is the team in form,change it at your peril, and that is what we did.
Was Whiteman better than Crawford no, was playing Coppinger wider now his pace has gone, and he is not more central in the pocket, on the ball more in tight situations knocking it about, making other players play a success, no.
A bad day at the office, Crawford improved things after half time, the big talking point was the referee's apparent dismissal of anything resembling a penalty to us, which should have been given, but would have if we had scored put a complete wrong slant on the result.
Well beaten fair enough, we are better than that and have now to react to the situation, and improve our poor away form next week at Oxford as well.
And we need to get a right back for next season, that would be my top of things to do in the summer if I was the manager.
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Hate to say it but on that performance by Sunderland I think Peterboro will beat them
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Highlight of the game for me was that kid at the back blurting out "the referee's a w**ker". :laugh:
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Should of brought Smith on earlier
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Should of brought Smith on earlier
“have”
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I didn't see the first 25 minutes of the game as I was making my way home from Oakwell .
The thing that struck me the most was I felt Rovers gave Sunderland far too much respect , Rovers needed to get right at them from the off and play on their apprehension from their result last saturday and the fact both ourselves and Pompey had already put our 3 points on the board .
That big crowd would have soon got nervous and the Sunderland players would have soon felt under tremendous pressure .
I was very disappointed Rovers had a bit of an off day for obvious reasons , many of your players simply didn't turn up .
Sunderland are a hard working mechanical side plus McGeady , nothing special in my opinion .
They were there for the taking after recent home performances .
That said I believe you have enough in hand to grab 6th spot .
My concern if I was a Rovers fan would be a slight concern over the handling of the bigger occasion in the play off campaign if we agree that yesterdays game at the SOL live on Sky was a bigger occasion .
I wouldn't go as far as to say freeze but it's in that ballpark .
The other aspect of the play offs entered my mind during a conversation I had in the pub pre match with fellow tykes yesterday .
Ourselves , Pompey , Sunderland and Charlton have for weeks now performed and accumulated points under the greatest of pressure , the points we are accumulating is fairly unprecedented , two clubs are likely to miss out on the automatic spot with over 90 points .
You could argue for weeks now we have all been well set for the challenge should a play off campaign be required .
I'm not saying I'm right on this but it could well be a factor .
You missed nowt in first 25 mins Tyke - we did as you say give them far too much respect - as we did v Palace in the Cup
What I would have liked to see then and yesterday was a "blood and guts " Cup tie - just as Newport did v Man City. Face up to them and have a GO. Yesterday was set up brilliantly for that but we never got going - and it was ages till we completed a 4 pass move
We had an opportunity to make them stop and think and yes maybe even quiver with the weight of expectation and unfortunately we did not go for the jugular - look them in the eye - go toe to toe with them or whatever cliche fits - and just capitulated letting the crowd have a free ride
Oh well at least I managed a whole post without mentioning the elephant in the room ! I must be getting over it him
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Its a fair summary Tyke. We've not really got the Rob Jones, Richie Wellens, Mark Albrighten type characters in the squad anymore that can grab the game by the knackers and tear out a blood and guts performance. We're light on the big boys when the big occasions have come around.
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Should of brought Smith on earlier
“have”
"Kitson"
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Should of brought Smith on earlier
“have”
"Kitson"
Touché.
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We pedants are a dying breed, Hound!