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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ldr on April 19, 2019, 05:53:00 pm
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Sure some on here seriously rate him as a keeper .........
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He made a mistake...get over it. He's a league one keeper...and he's ours let's back him.
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Me for one
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I rate him to. Makes a mistake. He is human. Coppinger is a legend, however he is not having a great game. Let’s back them all
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Coppinger is Sunderland’s best player
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Every player has bad games. It doesn't make them a bad player.
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Agree unfortunately. Given to many balls away
Cracking free kick from Andrews. Shame. We are still in this. One goal from us and they will panic
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What annoys me most is why Whiteman is on the pitch. There are not enough negative words in the dictionary to describe how bad he has been. Clearly not fit so why play him? Also leaving Matty Blair 1 v 1 with Mcgeady is criminal. What is McCann doing here!?
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This wasn’t a game for 4-3-3. But, it doesn’t help when we don’t even turn up!
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Just long ball after long ball, marquis cant be enjoying this kick chase
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What annoys me most is why Whiteman is on the pitch. There are not enough negative words in the dictionary to describe how bad he has been. Clearly not fit so why play him? Also leaving Matty Blair 1 v 1 with Mcgeady is criminal. What is McCann doing here!?
He’s changed a winning team I guess,
and you gotta play ya best players that you have available ....
because that is whats expected
and we don’t want to be keeping our finest on the bench now do we...
However.....
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Mattie needs to leave one on McGeady
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If we were winning there would be no complaints, however.... also it’s not over yet.
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It looks to me to be yet another display of big occasion bottling from Rovers.
It's not over yet though, and I expect better in the second half.
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Getting bullied in centre again. Whiteman Copps and Kane have got a bet on, see who can give the ball away the most. Kane looks like a little boy lost today. Needs to change the formation for a start. Then tell them what coloured strip were playing in. Start again 2nd half, next goal is the big one.
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If we were winning there would be no complaints, however.... also it’s not over yet.
Completely agree....
However, we are losing 2-0, so it’s a bit of an uphill struggle to get just the one point now, ...
but no point in harping on, it happens,...and we just have to look forward to the next game....
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The cross was curling away from Marosi which made it look a lot worse.
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What a great save
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What a great save
So we now get excited about routine saves. Any keeper makes that
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What a great save
So we now get excited about routine saves. Any keeper makes that
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Mistakes cost goals and his record is good but when he has an off day like today it generally costs the game .
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Not excited you arse. Stating a fact. Great save. He has made them all season. Yet people criticise him for one mistake. Coppinger was crap today. As was Kane as was Wilkes. No post on them. It happens. But I support my team. Through thick and thin. And I have seen lots of s**t on our pitch in the past.
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As with Lawlor he always has a mistake in him. Can make some great saves but you are never fully confident in either of them.
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Made one mistake, who doesn't? Bad timing, rest of the team didn't have enough to drag us back into it.
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Thank goodness he's not signing any contract
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We have some f**king idiots as supporters who think they know the best omfg
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It was an understandable mistake from Marko.
Their player crossed from the left with his right foot. Anyone would expect it to curl in, but it didn't and caught him out.
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Coppinger is Sunderland’s best player
Andy Woolmer was Sunderlands best player today and before anyone says we can't. Lame the ref for losing, well had he given the pen on Butler it could have changed the outcome had it gone to 2-1.
As for Marosi, all keepers make errors, what about the one by De Gea against Barca.
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I think Marosi and Lawlor are pretty level pegging and would be great to have them both for next season if we're in League 1. They have both improved this season and both can get better.
One area I think Marosi is better is pulling himself together after making a mistake, Lawlor has been marginally more shakey in that respect.
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Marko Marosi - lambasted weekly for not coming off his line, this week he comes off his line and gets lambasted for the doing the thing he has been previously lambasted for not doing. Leads me to the conclusion that our fans in the main are an unpleasable set of lambasted’s
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Yes but we need a keeper who knows when to come off his line and when not to.
He is a brilliant shot stopper can’t criticise him for that part of his game. There probably isn’t a better keeper in league 1, unfortunately he is very weak on crosses and his decision making is not good as shown today and at Scunthorpe amongst many others.
His distribution most of the time is slow and his decision making poor. Time after time he gives it to someone with a player pressing from behind and puts us under pressure.
I know not everyone agrees but he just has not improved the weak parts of his game and if we go up will definitely need better next season.
I am not 100% convinced Lawlor is good enough yet for the League above but in my opinion he has the attributes to become a very good keeper. His all round game is much sounder than Marosi’s.
No question in my mind about that.
Ask anyone with professional goalkeeping experience and they will agree with me.
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We’ve had way worse keepers that both Marosi and Lawlor. We’ve got Lawlor next season and I think there’s room for improvement there. I mean he was at Man City so he obviously has something...
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Marko Marosi - lambasted weekly for not coming off his line, this week he comes off his line and gets lambasted for the doing the thing he has been previously lambasted for not doing. Leads me to the conclusion that our fans in the main are an unpleasable set of lambasted’s
There's a difference to coming off your line in your 6 yard box and 15 yards off it for no reason
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That is exactly how I saw it Padge.
We are used to him not coming for crosses but he just seemed to move with no plan. We all make mistakes but he seemed on automatic pilot for a few seconds there, he was nowhere near it.
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There's a difference to coming off your line in your 6 yard box and 15 yards off it for no reason
But he was 12 yards off it, no need to exaggerate.
If you watch that cross, it was heading practically straight until the very last moment when it veered away from Marosi. If it had gone straight, as he no doubt read it was going to do, it was a simple punch. More than likely, Lawlor would have done exactly the same.
Feckin beach balls they play with are a joke. They are fun though when you whack them and they do that double/triple swerve thing tying the keeper in knots as they fly through his flapping hands - kinda what happened to Marosi.
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Marosi has a bad rick in him, as does Lawlor, but overall they’re both decent enough L1 keepers and both have time on their side to improve.
We could get better if we were in the Championship, but I’m not really sure what some people expect from a lower league level keeper.
I suppose we were very lucky back in the day with Neil Sullivan whose all-round game was superb, and even he had a mistake in him from time to time.
I wouldn’t say that either Marosi or Lawlor are any worse than most of the keepers we’ve had when we’ve been in the lower leagues.
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I prefer Lawlor to Marosi and hope next season Lawlor is our number one to be honest.
Marosi is steady away and ok as a back up but nothing more as far as I’m concerned.
That second goal for Sunderland was a absolute gift and a howler from Marko.
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We don’t have a choice but to play Marosi, unless you want to play Jones instead.
COYR
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Anybody seen many better keepers than our two in L1 this season.
And if you have, check their clubs forum and I bet my last pound there’ll be a thread slating them.
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Marosi has a bad rick in him, as does Lawlor, but overall they’re both decent enough L1 keepers and both have time on their side to improve.
We could get better if we were in the Championship, but I’m not really sure what some people expect from a lower league level keeper.
I suppose we were very lucky back in the day with Neil Sullivan whose all-round game was superb, and even he had a mistake in him from time to time.
I wouldn’t say that either Marosi or Lawlor are any worse than most of the keepers we’ve had when we’ve been in the lower leagues.
Good post Pib, and a lot of people forget that we won League 1 with Gary Woods playing a lot of games, and he wasn't as good as either Lawlor or Marosi.
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Defence that Woods was playing behind was - defensively - as good as we have had in living memory. Quinn, Jones, McCombe and Spurr were all a superb defensive unit. Not much football in them but an absolutely solid group.
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On a previous occasion that Marks made an error which resulted in a goal a certain poster said something along the lines of “DeGea wouldn’t make an error to concede a goal like that”.
Oops.
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We don’t have a choice but to play Marosi, unless you want to play Jones instead.
COYR
I understand that, it’s bad luck that Lawlor has been injured for so long but the silver lining is that it might well have shown McCann that Marosi isn’t good enough to be first choice.
All about opinions though I guess.
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They both have strengths and weaknesses but neither command their box like you'd prefer a keeper to do.
Marosi made a big error on Friday coming too far out just as Lawlor made the error at Wycombe for not coming out.
Both will make errors and both will make some blinding saves. If I had a choice, I'd seriously be looking for a keeper who's better at commanding his area as that alone has a big impact on the rest of the defence. A back 4 should have complete confidence in their keeper. I would imagine Butler, Downing, Anderson etc, are a bit uncertain with both keepers.
If Lawlor is staying and Marko looking elsewhere then I'd be looking for a new No 1.
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I would have thought that both would have been working on this area with the coach. Practice, practise, practise and build up the confidence..
I remember Bradford City away the other season and Sam Johnson was magnificent. He caught or punched everything thrown at him and up against James Hanson. All the City fans a
Were raving about him after the game. He was also younger than both of ours now if I remember right.
If they can add this to their game they would be all round keepers and instil confidence in the defenders making us a tighter unit.
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I would have thought that both would have been working on this area with the coach. Practice, practise, practise and build up the confidence..
I remember Bradford City away the other season and Sam Johnson was magnificent. He caught or punched everything thrown at him and up against James Hanson. All the City fans a
Were raving about him after the game. He was also younger than both of ours now if I remember right.
If they can add this to their game they would be all round keepers and instil confidence in the defenders making us a tighter unit.
You're right. They should be addressing their weaknesses in training however it seems they will always default to their instincts, especially when under pressure.
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Note that Sam Johnstone is now a #1 keeper for a top 6 Championship team. The fact is that all goalkeepers at this level will have limitations, we were spoiled to have Sully for so long. Lawlor and Marosi are both very good for this level, they have different strengths and weaknesses but by and large they have both helped us to win many games with their abilities.
We spent a long, long time after Sully struggling to nail down a firm goalkeeping choice. And there were some really poor players in there too at times.
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In fairness I don’t really get the comparison with Sam Jonstone because I always thought he was excellent and many touted him to play for England.
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For me the fundamental role of the keeper is not to f**k up. They are always going to get beaten by good shots. They are there to stop the ball going in to the goal. Playing football is an added bonus but not their core role. At this level we should be looking at a boring keeper who can be relied upon not to f**k up. We don’t have that.
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I understand what your saying to a certain degree but every goalkeeper f**ks up at some stages. It’s part and parcel of being a goalkeeper.
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For me the fundamental role of the keeper is not to f**k up. They are always going to get beaten by good shots. They are there to stop the ball going in to the goal. Playing football is an added bonus but not their core role. At this level we should be looking at a boring keeper who can be relied upon not to f**k up. We don’t have that.
McLaughlin for Sunderland a prime example. Sturdiest goalkeeper I’ve seen at this level for a long time. Doesn’t seem to put a foot wrong.
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I just hope that we get behind him on Tuesday with a rousing Oh Marco Marosi might give his confidence a boost