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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyNoel on June 09, 2019, 06:21:25 pm
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As per header. Conflicting report from Millers fans so hard to judge....
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https://youtu.be/8c0XiUMsNVo
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That’s that one then. I’m not disappointed about this one specifically - I wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the prospect of adding another wide player that doesn’t have pace. But what is a little concerning is the way this one has played out in terms of the impact on expectations. We already know that some people won’t take this well. Managing expectations is, unfortunately, part of the whole game and this one potentially makes us looks a bit daft. Is that irrecoverable? Absolutely not. Move on quickly. Personally I feel there have to be better and more suitable options out there. But we need to find them and agree terms with them.
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That’s that one then. I’m not disappointed about this one specifically - I wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the prospect of adding another wide player that doesn’t have pace. But what is a little concerning is the way this one has played out in terms of the impact on expectations. We already know that some people won’t take this well. Managing expectations is, unfortunately, part of the whole game and this one potentially makes us looks a bit daft. Is that irrecoverable? Absolutely not. Move on quickly. Personally I feel there have to be better and more suitable options out there. But we need to find them and agree terms with them.
If he has signed for them then he must know he is not good enough for Rovers. :byebye:
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On their OS in their shirt
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So much for plastering it in the FP! I wonder if he was one of the 4 or 5 that GM thought talks were well advanced?
Is everyone still on holiday?
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Disappointing and unexpected
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Disappointing and unexpected
I dont suppose he was ever on our radar, just some people putting 2 and 2 together and making the rest up!
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Disappointing and unexpected
I dont suppose he was ever on our radar, just some people putting 2 and 2 together and making the rest up!
McCann admitted we were interested
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Strange that we have missed out really and disappointing to be honest.
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Let’s be honest - none of us knew who he was before a few weeks ago and doubt any of us has seen him play. Could have been good, could have been bad - not sure we have really lost anything.
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Not arsed personally but it’s worrykng we’re missing out on targets.
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Missing out on the odd transfer target is pretty much inevitable at our level. Keep patient, it's only 9th June!
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So much for plastering it in the FP! I wonder if he was one of the 4 or 5 that GM thought talks were well advanced?
Is everyone still on holiday?
Possibly why Grant was talking about not being held to ransom aswell?
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That’s that one then. I’m not disappointed about this one specifically - I wasn’t overly enthusiastic about the prospect of adding another wide player that doesn’t have pace. But what is a little concerning is the way this one has played out in terms of the impact on expectations. We already know that some people won’t take this well. Managing expectations is, unfortunately, part of the whole game and this one potentially makes us looks a bit daft. Is that irrecoverable? Absolutely not. Move on quickly. Personally I feel there have to be better and more suitable options out there. But we need to find them and agree terms with them.
Does it make us look a bit daft?
No, I don’t think so.
These things happen and I don’t think the club have officially expressed an interest in signing Newell.
The big fuss of course has been made on this site.
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Don’t think we should be making this so public if it wasn’t 99% done. What ever we think of DF the last few seasons we never knew about transfers till it was over the line and that’s the way it should be
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He probably wanted to much money.
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Disappointing and unexpected
I dont suppose he was ever on our radar, just some people putting 2 and 2 together and making the rest up!
McCann admitted we were interested
Not sure he did tbh, I think it was suggested and he didn't deny it which is very different. In any case, its very early days, GM is on holiday so nothing is really going to progress until he's back.
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Heard Taylor's on the radar as well
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Which Taylor Saville Rowe or Burtons
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Isn't he signing for Tranmere, following his house purchase in the Liverpool area?
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In my humble opinion, you’ve dodged one there.
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He did sound similar to players we already have like Sadlier and Copps so not like it’s a position we’re desperate for. Also good it’s dealt with one way or the other too just need Andrew’s sorting now
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He maybe just wanted more money than GM thought that he was worth.
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He maybe just wanted more money than GM thought that he was worth.
Heard that a few times already this summer, let’s hope that’s what it is rather than us missing out.
Him going to Hibs does seem strange considering he allegedly had offers from both us and Rotherham.
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Being in the play-offs last season is no guarantee we will do as well next season. And we only just scraped into the top six. McCann had some luck in that Kane and Wilks were outstanding, we had few long term injuries and when we lost certain games that we should have won our close competitors also lost the same week for an equally unknown reason. If we want to do better next season we need to strengthen the squad.
Kane and Wilks have returned and we have lost experienced players like Butler, Rowe and Marosi. Five players I would have been happy to see come in, not go out. Butler ought to have been another legend for Rovers like Copps, Rowe is a talented player, and for me personally, I think Marosi has been outstanding to get us where we were in the playoffs and yet has been under-appreciated by many fans.
McCullough, Beestin, Garratt, Mandeville, Longbottom and Kiwomya I could understand losing, but not Butler, Rowe and Marosi.
We constantly keep hearing about Peterborough, but why do we want to emulate a team that struggles to get out of League One themselves and has had less years in the Championship than Rovers? Barnsley are far more successful, but then again it's all about making money from the academy and not about the success of the first team.
As usual it is all about the budget. What team in the EFL pays every player in the club the same salary? Has McCann lost his mind? Senior players normally justify a higher salary, and when I was at work and saw a colleague, half my age, earning nearly my salary it was time for me to give up and not care. I see Joe Newell has decided to go to Hibs instead and so far we have only signed Brad Halliday from the mighty Cambridge United. It will be interesting to see how McCann pulls in Premiership and Championship quality players on the salary he wants to pay them. I don't see Rotherham, Bolton, Ipswich, Portsmouth and Sunderland quaking at what we have to offer so far. It will be interesting to see what magic McCann can perform this coming season.
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I just hope we make progress next season and don’t undo the hard work McCann did last season he needs backing this summer no question he’s moved players on and I can understand him wanting to make more of the team his own.
I’m sure we won’t be disappointed come August
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We have allowed players to leave in Marosi, Butler and Rowe from what was our first team squad. We need to replace them with better players. Two of our better players have returned to their parent clubs we need to replace them. That’s five at least we need just to get to the status quo of last years first team. So the plenty that were coming in is only one at the moment and we still don’t know if Andrew is signing. 3 weeks to the start of pre season training. So we wait to see who we get for a stronger squad who can help us fight for the top two.
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Marosi was in the team because Lawlor was injured, Rowe started a handful of games, Butler will be a loss as he was in my opinion outstanding. Kane and Wilks granted they had talent but only blossomed under the tutelage of GM and the coaching staff, so I’m sure they can do the same again
I don’t see any reason to panic
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So much for plastering it in the FP! I wonder if he was one of the 4 or 5 that GM thought talks were well advanced?
Is everyone still on holiday?
Being on holiday shouldn't be an excuse
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All the stuff about being front runners came from the DFP. McCann merely didn't answer when asked a direct question. According to DFP we initially were offering more than Rotherham.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48575308
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Bradford City's wage bill is £2.5 million.
This is reduced because £1.5 million is taken up for players already at the club. Some won't want to leave on the wages that might not be matched elsewhere. They at one stage had a squad of almost forty players and got relegated. One of their first new players is a young centre half rom Sudbury Town and he's supposedly one for the future if he makes it.
We usually only hear about our own clubs but we aren't the only fans concerned about the coming season. Worrying and moaning won't make any difference so let's just enjoy the break and let GM and the board do their work. I'm sure there will be some unhappy fans whoever we sign.
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Newell and or is agent appears to have used us to get a better offer from Rotherham and then from Hibs who he saw as a new challenge. Not signing him is not the problem. We have at the moment 10 players that GM thought were good enough for his first team squad. There is Andrew to resign that gives 11. So we do need to replace the five/six players that’s gone as a minimum if we want to be equal or better than last year.
We do have 10/11 players for the U23 side but none of them can walk into a first team squad aiming for top 2 or minimum playoff finalists.
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Newell and or is agent appears to have used us to get a better offer from Rotherham and then from Hibs who he saw as a new challenge. Not signing him is not the problem. We have at the moment 10 players that GM thought were good enough for his first team squad. There is Andrew to resign that gives 11. So we do need to replace the five/six players that’s gone as a minimum if we want to be equal or better than last year.
We do have 10/11 players for the U23 side but none of them can walk into a first team squad aiming for top 2 or minimum playoff finalists.
If is true that we were used by Newell and his agent, and I have no reason to disbelieve it, then it underlines McCann's stance about not being held to ransom and good riddance.
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Anyone thought he might just have wanted to sign for Hibs? Big club, big city?
I like Donny, but South Yorkshire or Edinburgh?
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Anyone thought he might just have wanted to sign for Hibs? Big club, big city?
I like Donny, but South Yorkshire or Edinburgh?
He can sign for who he wants but we have not got him or anybody else yet.
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Anyone thought he might just have wanted to sign for Hibs? Big club, big city?
I like Donny, but South Yorkshire or Edinburgh?
He can sign for who he wants but we have not got him or anybody else yet.
Other than Halliday.
Plenty of time yet. We won’t start the season with the squad as it is.
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Jonathan he’s a right back not a Tommy Rowe replacement is what I meant. Plenty to come in yet that what was said two weeks ago!!
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Same discussion every pre-season. We'll be fine.
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A lot of players are or have been on holiday so things will probably move quicker now for most clubs.
I'm sure that all decent players will be considering and comparing offers from more than one club.
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Marosi was in the team because Lawlor was injured, Rowe started a handful of games, Butler will be a loss as he was in my opinion outstanding. Kane and Wilks granted they had talent but only blossomed under the tutelage of GM and the coaching staff, so I’m sure they can do the same again
I don’t see any reason to panic
Nothing between our two keepers last season so it is a bit unfair to say that Marosi was only in the team because Lawlor was injured.
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Marosi was in the team because Lawlor was injured, Rowe started a handful of games, Butler will be a loss as he was in my opinion outstanding. Kane and Wilks granted they had talent but only blossomed under the tutelage of GM and the coaching staff, so I’m sure they can do the same again
I don’t see any reason to panic
Nothing between our two keepers last season so it is a bit unfair to say that Marosi was only in the team because Lawlor was injured.
GM also said he wanted a second keeper after Marosi left and we were close to signing one. We haven’t got a left-sided centre midfield to replace Rowe and we need another centre half.
So I don’t see the point your making roversdude.
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I’ve heard from someone involved at the club that McCan had Newell earmarked as a key signing and is very disappointed he’s signed elsewhere. Their is also firm interest in a couple of our players from championship clubs.
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I’ve heard from someone involved at the club that McCan had Newell earmarked as a key signing and is very disappointed he’s signed elsewhere. Their is also firm interest in a couple of our players from championship clubs.
That would make an interesting season it’s like ripping up the top six blueprint to start all over again hope GM has got it him to build again under constraints he seems to be under.
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Quote from Newell on the BBC site:
“I'd obviously heard about the city and how big the club is," Newell said.”
So, he’s heard of Edinburgh, then? He’s obviously done his research. 😀
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Last summer with only a few weeks as manager, McCann put together a team that challenged for the rest of the season and I think we were never once out of the top half. He I think only signed four players in the summer - Crawford, Taylor, Wilks and Kane.
After a moribund season (again) under our previous manager and poor experience with loaning Kongolo as the marquee EPL loan signing, we were hardly an enticing offer for loan or permanent players yet McCann picked and persuaded Wilks and Kane to come and join. We are arguably in a better position to attract those types of players now, and McCann clearly has an eye for a youngster.
We are weeks better off than last close season and with a better reputation and - given all the departures - with a relatively better budget to make signings. Nothing to worry about here.
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I think Crawford was a done deal by the time GM started (I might be wrong on this)
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
Not quite. The departure of Ferguson was announced on 4 June and the appointment of McCann announced on 27 June.
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
Not quite. The departure of Ferguson was announced on 4 June and the appointment of McCann announced on 27 June.
You splitting hairs with that one aren’t you.
Pre season training didn’t start until 30th June. Sorry was it 29th June or 1st July? Flipping heck sorry.
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
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Marosi was in the team because Lawlor was injured, Rowe started a handful of games, Butler will be a loss as he was in my opinion outstanding. Kane and Wilks granted they had talent but only blossomed under the tutelage of GM and the coaching staff, so I’m sure they can do the same again
I don’t see any reason to panic
Although Marosi did start the season as our number one
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
I think we need a few more than 5+Andrew. That would only give us 17 senior players which isn’t even enough to fill a bench. And that’s before the usual injuries and suspensions. I know Mccan has said he wants a smaller squad but you would think we would be looking at a 20/21 man squad minimum before using youth team players to make the numbers up. That means another 9/10 signings... very busy summer ahead
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
You've not been careful with your words there Campsall, because in slagging off Newell's potential, you're casting doubts about GM's judgement in wanting him in the first place, and he definitely did, because he's been quoted today as being "very disappointed".
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
I think we need a few more than 5+Andrew. That would only give us 17 senior players which isn’t even enough to fill a bench. And that’s before the usual injuries and suspensions. I know Mccan has said he wants a smaller squad but you would think we would be looking at a 20/21 man squad minimum before using youth team players to make the numbers up. That means another 9/10 signings... very busy summer ahead
5+ is more than 5
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
You've not been careful with your words there Campsall, because in slagging off Newell's potential, you're casting doubts about GM's judgement in wanting him in the first place, and he definitely did, because he's been quoted today as being "very disappointed".
My emphasis was on the word Marquee signing SS that’s all.
I certainly wasn’t slagging him off was i or doubting GM’ eye for a player. He is a very good one on his day and if GM had got consistency from him he would have been a very good signing.
But the word Marquee would suggest we were signing the equivalent of a Rolls Royce or Bentley.
We will miss out on some targets that’s inevitable but we need to move on as there are plenty of fish in the sea.
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
I think we need a few more than 5+Andrew. That would only give us 17 senior players which isn’t even enough to fill a bench. And that’s before the usual injuries and suspensions. I know Mccan has said he wants a smaller squad but you would think we would be looking at a 20/21 man squad minimum before using youth team players to make the numbers up. That means another 9/10 signings... very busy summer ahead
I think he is looking at quality rather than quantity.
So 18/19 players + the youth imo.
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
I think we need a few more than 5+Andrew. That would only give us 17 senior players which isn’t even enough to fill a bench. And that’s before the usual injuries and suspensions. I know Mccan has said he wants a smaller squad but you would think we would be looking at a 20/21 man squad minimum before using youth team players to make the numbers up. That means another 9/10 signings... very busy summer ahead
I think I have read that GM wants to work with a smaller squad this season so having 20/21 senior players is very unlikely.
I have also seen some of our posters advocating that we look to utilise some of the reserve and youth team players in the first team squad.
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Oh dear oh dear every summer the same.
The doom merchants are out. Panic. Panic. Panic.
Do some of you think that by 3rd August we won’t have brought in anther 5 players minimum + Danny Andrew.
Last season DF left us without notice at the end of May & McCann didn’t take over until July.
We are so much in a better place than this time last year and if my memory serves me correctly GM signed and loaned some pretty decent players with little time to spare & we had a pretty good season didn’t we.
Or did I dream it?
This, “we haven’t signed anybody” nonsense is looking extremely stupid imo and is getting very boring.
I think we need a few more than 5+Andrew. That would only give us 17 senior players which isn’t even enough to fill a bench. And that’s before the usual injuries and suspensions. I know Mccan has said he wants a smaller squad but you would think we would be looking at a 20/21 man squad minimum before using youth team players to make the numbers up. That means another 9/10 signings... very busy summer ahead
I think I have read that GM wants to work with a smaller squad this season so having 20/21 senior players is very unlikely.
I have also seen some of our posters advocating that we look to utilise some of the reserve and youth team players in the first team squad.
Exactly thats how i see it also.
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That theory is ok if we have the standard of back-up in the u23 and youth team, but we havn't.
5 more signings + 3 good quality loans would have us about where we were last season and if it's less than that, I'm not sure how the manager can improve on last season's position. We havn't got to lose sight of what McCann wants this season, and he was disappointed with 6th last season! And he has promised us supporters that we will be stronger this season, so let's be patient and see what transpires.
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Patience. I’d imagine everybody is working like crazy to get deals done.
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20/21 senior players is "very unlikely"? Not sure where anyone gets that from based on McCann saying he wants a tighter squad. He just doesn't want deadwood on the wage budget that won't ever get a game, like Longbottom, or loaned out players doing the same like Kiwomya and Mandeville. We will have 20 senior first teamers minimum I'm sure, it is the second week of June and there is months left to bring in the required players yet.
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
You've not been careful with your words there Campsall, because in slagging off Newell's potential, you're casting doubts about GM's judgement in wanting him in the first place, and he definitely did, because he's been quoted today as being "very disappointed".
Forgive me if I’ve missed something but where has he been quoted as saying he’s “very disappointed?” I follow him on twitter and got the impression he’s on holiday with his family. That’s not to say I’m assuming he’s not disappointed, but I’ve not seen the interview where he explains the circumstances. Everything I have seen from McCann suggests he is focussed only on players that want to play for this club and is ruthless where that’s not the case. Newell obviously wants to play for Hibs.
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Squad wise we aren’t in a better place than this time last year, we’d already signed Anderson and Crawford and still had mason, Rowe, Butler, Marosi. We also had Mandeville and McCullough,
That’s not a moan or a negative comment it’s just a fact.
I’ve every faith in McCann he’s proving to be as good a manager as we’ve had in modern times.
He’s just going to have a very busy summer, I’ve no idea if Newell would’ve been a good signing but McCann fancies him so it’s an obvious blow but nothing drastic. We’ve still plenty of time to make signings.
5/6 weeks from now we need to have the players in, not now
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But this time last year we probably wanted all those players you mention replacing because they weren't very good. And did we sign Crawford this time last year i though GM only became our manager towards the end of June (might be wrong but felt like it took longer to sort)
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
You've not been careful with your words there Campsall, because in slagging off Newell's potential, you're casting doubts about GM's judgement in wanting him in the first place, and he definitely did, because he's been quoted today as being "very disappointed".
Forgive me if I’ve missed something but where has he been quoted as saying he’s “very disappointed?” I follow him on twitter and got the impression he’s on holiday with his family. That’s not to say I’m assuming he’s not disappointed, but I’ve not seen the interview where he explains the circumstances. Everything I have seen from McCann suggests he is focussed only on players that want to play for this club and is ruthless where that’s not the case. Newell obviously wants to play for Hibs.
Sorry Jonathan, my mistake; I thought I'd read it somewhere, then I realised I'd seen it in a post by Retdon 1, who claimed someone at the club told him as such; however, without knowing the source, I accept it's unreliable.
I do however believe the DFP over the last few weeks, that we were the frontrunners for Newell's signature.
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But this time last year we probably wanted all those players you mention replacing because they weren't very good. And did we sign Crawford this time last year i though GM only became our manager towards the end of June (might be wrong but felt like it took longer to sort)
You wanted Rowe, Butler and mason replacing because they aren’t very good?
Crawford deal was all but done but McCann had the option to pull out but he wanted him also
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
You've not been careful with your words there Campsall, because in slagging off Newell's potential, you're casting doubts about GM's judgement in wanting him in the first place, and he definitely did, because he's been quoted today as being "very disappointed".
Forgive me if I’ve missed something but where has he been quoted as saying he’s “very disappointed?” I follow him on twitter and got the impression he’s on holiday with his family. That’s not to say I’m assuming he’s not disappointed, but I’ve not seen the interview where he explains the circumstances. Everything I have seen from McCann suggests he is focussed only on players that want to play for this club and is ruthless where that’s not the case. Newell obviously wants to play for Hibs.
Sorry Jonathan, my mistake; I thought I'd read it somewhere, then I realised I'd seen it in a post by Retdon 1, who claimed someone at the club told him as such; however, without knowing the source, I accept it's unreliable.
I do however believe the DFP over the last few weeks, that we were the frontrunners for Newell's signature.
Fair play. I feel like some of our fans are predictably disappointed that we’ve not made a statement yet with our second summer signing. But I’d be reluctant to second guess McCann’s reaction and I doubt anyone has been texting him on his holidays. On balance I expect there’s every chance he could be disappointed in Newell’s decision, but I’m confident he and we will get over it and move on.
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That theory is ok if we have the standard of back-up in the u23 and youth team, but we havn't.
5 more signings + 3 good quality loans would have us about where we were last season and if it's less than that, I'm not sure how the manager can improve on last season's position. We havn't got to lose sight of what McCann wants this season, and he was disappointed with 6th last season! And he has promised us supporters that we will be stronger this season, so let's be patient and see what transpires.
McCann must think differently on whether some of the younger players are good enough.
He gave first team appearances to Boocock and Hasani didn’t he.
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But this time last year we probably wanted all those players you mention replacing because they weren't very good. And did we sign Crawford this time last year i though GM only became our manager towards the end of June (might be wrong but felt like it took longer to sort)
You wanted Rowe, Butler and mason replacing because they aren’t very good?
Crawford deal was all but done but McCann has the option to pull out but he wanted him also
No i'm saying we were hardly brilliant the season before and were miles off challenging for promotion so if we wanted to push for playoff's you'd argue that we'd need a relatively large overhaul. What i'm saying is the same people who are moaning about them leaving now were likely demanding we get better last summer. Just making light that there will be an issue with our recruitment no matter what
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Considering smaller squads cost less to run it does has its down side if bookings pile up or key players get injured . Last season saw a few loans coming and it WILL be the same again . We are loosing our targets on the pretext of not being held to ransom .
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Considering smaller squads cost less to run it does has its down side if bookings pile up or key players get injured . Last season saw a few loans coming and it WILL be the same again . We are loosing our targets on the pretext of not being held to ransom .
But you should understand that almost all lower division clubs utilise the loan system.
All clubs will also be losing players in the summer.
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Let me start by saying I've every confidence in GM and the board to get it right this season; but we're being put through the wringer again in terms of time.
Pre-season training will probably start 3 weeks today. We've lost 6 of the starters in the Charlton game, and Andrew is yet to sign. We've made one signing, a league 2 player, and have lost out on a potential marquee signing.
So let's cut a bit of slack to those of a slightly nervous disposition.
We lost out on a marquee signing ! Who says? Rotherham fans were not extatic about him last season.
Not consistent by all accounts.
We don’t need him. We will get someone else won’t we. What’s the problem. Don’t see one.
You've not been careful with your words there Campsall, because in slagging off Newell's potential, you're casting doubts about GM's judgement in wanting him in the first place, and he definitely did, because he's been quoted today as being "very disappointed".
Forgive me if I’ve missed something but where has he been quoted as saying he’s “very disappointed?” I follow him on twitter and got the impression he’s on holiday with his family. That’s not to say I’m assuming he’s not disappointed, but I’ve not seen the interview where he explains the circumstances. Everything I have seen from McCann suggests he is focussed only on players that want to play for this club and is ruthless where that’s not the case. Newell obviously wants to play for Hibs.
Sorry Jonathan, my mistake; I thought I'd read it somewhere, then I realised I'd seen it in a post by Retdon 1, who claimed someone at the club told him as such; however, without knowing the source, I accept it's unreliable.
I do however believe the DFP over the last few weeks, that we were the frontrunners for Newell's signature.
I was out with the misses and group of friends on Saturday and one her friends blokes works at the club. We got speaking and I asked him loads about rovers but all I got out of him was that Newell was one of Mccans main targets and he was disappointed not to get him. I see no reason not to believe him, as it’s been reported several times by the DFP that we were very interested in him. He also told me that Marquis will definitely be leaving this summer and 2 championship clubs have enquires about Whiteman.
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Players come, players leave, players choose other clubs over ours. Part of football. However, our club is here and we support them, through good and bad. Grant will get his players
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Yep, and players choose our club over others.
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They certainly do. Whomever lines up as new Rovers signings come August will be players who want to be here at the club and we have to trust in McCann to find the right players, of the right ability. He has earned that trust in the past year I'd say, with far more hits than misses in the transfer market.
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Absolutely. We have McCann
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He has earned that trust in the past year I'd say, with far more hits than misses in the transfer market.
Slight exaggeration there, Alias. Check out the list of McCann's signings and, purely on numbers, I think you'll be surprised. And don't count Crawford, as DF almost had him signed before he resigned. Based on impact alone, 3 out of his 6 loan signings were mainstays, but for 2 of them it proved a bridge too far, and the other not good enough.
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It is interesting that people want players in early, quite often its later signings that have worked out well in the past.
If we dont have players in at the end of July then I'll be worried.
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It is interesting that people want players in early, quite often its later signings that have worked out well in the past.
If we dont have players in at the end of July then I'll be worried.
That might be the case but all things being equal, it’s preferable for a signing to be in place earlier rather than later so they can have the full pre-season, build up more of a relationship with the manager and other players etc.
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I think this season's outgoings means that we are going to have a fair turn-over of players and it would be far from ideal if they all land at the club with pre season well underway. With a season of much greater expectation, as expected by the manager, we can't be risking players 'getting to know one another' after 5 or 6 competitive games have drifted by - we'd already be playing catch-up!
Strategically, the manager will want his permanents in asap and definately before the start of pre-season, with possibly the loan players to join after their respective pre-season's with their own clubs. At least, that is how I perceive things would happen in an ideal world. Of course, we are drfc and things don't always quite go to plan, so the manager will do his best under whatever circumstances are thrown his way.
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I think this season's outgoings means that we are going to have a fair turn-over of players and it would be far from ideal if they all land at the club with pre season well underway. With a season of much greater expectation, as expected by the manager, we can't be risking players 'getting to know one another' after 5 or 6 competitive games have drifted by - we'd already be playing catch-up!
Strategically, the manager will want his permanents in asap and definately before the start of pre-season, with possibly the loan players to join after their respective pre-season's with their own clubs. At least, that is how I perceive things would happen in an ideal world. Of course, we are drfc and things don't always quite go to plan, so the manager will do his best under whatever circumstances are thrown his way.
You say we are DRFC and things don’t always go to plan.
We are no different to all the other 71 EFL clubs. They will have exactly the same problems as we do, and no doubt they will also have many fans worrying, and moaning about the lack of signings during the close season.
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I don’t much care about the other 71 other clubs, though.
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He has earned that trust in the past year I'd say, with far more hits than misses in the transfer market.
Slight exaggeration there, Alias. Check out the list of McCann's signings and, purely on numbers, I think you'll be surprised. And don't count Crawford, as DF almost had him signed before he resigned. Based on impact alone, 3 out of his 6 loan signings were mainstays, but for 2 of them it proved a bridge too far, and the other not good enough.
I will count Crawford, since he signed two weeks after McCann was appointed. You're not telling me he had no say at all in that move, and it proved a good decision to complete the transfer.
McCann signed Wilks, Kane, Crawford, Sadlier and Downing who all played a significant role in our success this past season. Taylor was a bad move but was accepted as a gamble at the time, and was a free signing. Cummings a short-term option who did fine. Half-season loanees Anderson, Lewis and Smith did not contribute enough.
If you don't think the signings of Wilks, Kane, Sadlier and Downing are enough in one season of moderate squad turnover to give McCann your faith then I'm not sure what you expect from a manager of a club this size.
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Never said anything about faith. Just pointed out that you slightly exaggerated things.
Get a grip, man.
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We don't know how many players are considering offers. The club must have been talking to players and agents. It will probably all start to happen at once.
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All managers have good signings and poor signings, but I think over recent years we’ve had a succession of managers who have succeeded greatly in signing players apart from dickov.
But Saunders, sod and Ferguson all have left us with very good players
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Dickov transfer and loan record in the Championship season was largely good. His record in League One largely bad. Mixed picture.
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I’m not so sure,
Wabara, Robinson, forrester, main, evina, razak, Clarke-Harris, Bowery, macheda,
I think dickov signed them all,
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It is interesting that people want players in early, quite often its later signings that have worked out well in the past.
If we dont have players in at the end of July then I'll be worried.
And yet from time to time we get comments from managers saying that certain players will be better once they have had a full pre-season. The risk of late signings is that their fitness and integration in the squad is not completed by the time the season starts
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Never said anything about faith. Just pointed out that you slightly exaggerated things.
Get a grip, man.
Get a grip? Not sure what you're on about Alan. I've offered a reasoned opinion, nothing more. The faith I'm referring to comes from discussion prior to your post to be fair, but it's relevant to what we are talking about.
The typical negativity and worry on this forum the past couple of weeks is doing my head in, and it happens pretty much every year. Some summers it is justified, but not this one. Clearly people are bored.
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I think this season's outgoings means that we are going to have a fair turn-over of players and it would be far from ideal if they all land at the club with pre season well underway. With a season of much greater expectation, as expected by the manager, we can't be risking players 'getting to know one another' after 5 or 6 competitive games have drifted by - we'd already be playing catch-up!
Strategically, the manager will want his permanents in asap and definately before the start of pre-season, with possibly the loan players to join after their respective pre-season's with their own clubs. At least, that is how I perceive things would happen in an ideal world. Of course, we are drfc and things don't always quite go to plan, so the manager will do his best under whatever circumstances are thrown his way.
Alan this is what you posted almost a year ago to the day.
“It's recognised that we had a small squad last season and now we are 5 players down on last season. We need at least 5 just to get back to where we were, squad wise! Yes, we have given some of the young lads short-term deals, but that was to ensure we had a strong development team, going forward.
Out of the 5 needed, I would say 3 midfielders, 1 striker and 1 defender. And all should be capable of going straight in the first team.”
It’s almost exactly what you’re saying again now, everything worked out fine then so let’s not start all the panicking again just yet
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Who's panicking?
Look, people can read my posts however they want, but I can tell you there is no panic at my end.
The facts are what they are, no more, no less and yes, I believe we'll get players in by the time we kick off. Whether they are better/stronger than what we had, only time will tell.
Listen to the Doncast discussion part 2 - the lads on there are saying, more or less, the same thing. Interpretation is a wonderful thing and some on here are only too ready to start 'firing from the hip' before they've had chance to digest what's been written.
I think, personally, the manager did extremely well last season and proved a lot of people wrong, but he inherited a decent solid league 1 side and added the bit of class (Herbie) and power (Wilks) to make us more competitive. However, this season, we've basically scrapped that side and this where he will stand or fall, as it will be more his side and have his stamp on it. I think we'll be completely different this season, to last, and hopefully end up in a more positive position.
My only concern, if I have one, is what happens if/when we lose our (arguably) 2 best remaining players, in JM and BW?
P.S. Thanks for doing the historical research, which proved pretty much what I was saying last season turned out to be the case.
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Not sure we signed 5 players that went straight into the first team, certainly not 3 midfielders.
The squad was in decent shape last season just needed the additions of Kane and wilks.
This year we do need more but there’s plenty of time
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I’m not so sure,
Wabara, Robinson, forrester, main, evina, razak, Clarke-Harris, Bowery, macheda,
I think dickov signed them all,
Wabara got a couple of promotions after and Macheda was pretty decent. You can't blame the players for a shit manager.
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We might not have got 5 to start with, but we ended up with 5 loanees, plus Crawford, Taylor, Anderson, Cummings, Sadlier. Obviously, 3 of the loans had a massive impact, the permanents less so.
If the manager gets 3 more loans like Kane, Wilks and Downing, it will be akin to winning the lottery. Here's hoping.
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I’m not so sure,
Wabara, Robinson, forrester, main, evina, razak, Clarke-Harris, Bowery, macheda,
I think dickov signed them all,
Wabara got a couple of promotions after and Macheda was pretty decent. You can't blame the players for a shit manager.
I’m not!
I said dickov made lots of bad signings
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I’m not so sure,
Wabara, Robinson, forrester, main, evina, razak, Clarke-Harris, Bowery, macheda,
I think dickov signed them all,
Would - as I clearly said - contrast the largely good signings he made in Championship both permanent and on loan (Meite, Tamas, Furman, Johnstone, Turnbull, Khumalo, Stevens etc) and the largely bad signings he made in League One (many of which are listed above). Overall - a mixed picture.
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as I said, all managers make good and bad signings.
Bit Dickovs good signings weren’t as good as the likes of, , wellens, stock, Sharp, Roberts, o Connor, jones, cotterrill, marquis, whiteman, Blair, Wright, Andrew etc etc.
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as I said, all managers make good and bad signings.
Bit Dickovs good signings weren’t as good as the likes of, , wellens, stock, Sharp, Roberts, o Connor, jones, cotterrill, marquis, whiteman, Blair, Wright, Andrew etc etc.
But he did sign Sharp and Wellens.
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Anyway, back on the topic of Newell, GM saying he feels like they've dodged a bullet. Having met Newell the other week he gave off the impression that he was doing us a favour and not like he wanted to actually move to the club. GM saying he has it all but clearly the heart wasn't in it.
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Anyway, back on the topic of Newell, GM saying he feels like they've dodged a bullet. Having met Newell the other week he gave off the impression that he was doing us a favour and not like he wanted to actually move to the club. GM saying he has it all but clearly the heart wasn't in it.
Sounds a bit sour grapes that to me. Others may disagree.
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Anyway, back on the topic of Newell, GM saying he feels like they've dodged a bullet. Having met Newell the other week he gave off the impression that he was doing us a favour and not like he wanted to actually move to the club. GM saying he has it all but clearly the heart wasn't in it.
Sounds a bit sour grapes that to me. Others may disagree.
This makes me wonder otherwise.
In my humble opinion, you’ve dodged one there.
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Newell could of had his heart set on moving out the area for a new challenge and maybe the fact that we were a second choice came across to GM. I've been there when you go for a job interview at a place you don't really want to join, it's hard to hide it
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-on-joe-newell-interest-it-might-be-a-blessing-in-disguise-1-9816770
This may explain a few things.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-grant-mccann-on-joe-newell-interest-it-might-be-a-blessing-in-disguise-1-9816770
This may explain a few things.
Also, at the end of that article, McCann has had meetings with several potential signings following his return from holiday.
Maybe some of the worriers among our fellow posters can sleep a bit easier now.
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In McCann we trust
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Hope he had a good hol
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You never know if it's just press speak but if GM did get that impression then he's not for us anyway.The players are obviously a quite a close group and the last thing we need is a big time attitude charly coming in...
However what Newell has actually done in the game, to warrant that opinion of himself is not clear..He wasn't a regular starter in a relegated championship side
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No sure why this question is still being talked about as ‘He has signed for HiBS !!!’
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Wait till the friendlies start and see how many with the same name are turning out for us
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