Viking Supporters Co-operative

Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: foxbat on July 23, 2019, 02:56:49 PM

Title: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on July 23, 2019, 02:56:49 PM
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.

Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?

So come on :-

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 23, 2019, 03:40:58 PM
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.

Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?

So come on :-

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/

69% of people in Donny voted for Brexit, not Boris. He just happens to be someone who supports Brexit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on July 23, 2019, 03:47:14 PM
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.

Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?

So come on :-

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/

69% of people in Donny voted for Brexit, not Boris. He just happens to be someone who supports Brexit.

The very same man that had two speeches written out, one in suport of Brexit, one in support of remain, and he just waited to see which way the wind would blow. So no one really knows what he’s in support of, apart from himself
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on July 23, 2019, 03:55:46 PM
Those Donny votes were 3 years ago

We must always remember that this brexit plague was brought to our door by a small group of corrupt extremist politicians and fellow collaborators abroad. They are well funded and they pay for the machine that incessantly unleashes hate on our society. #FBPE

A lot can happen in 3 years since the referendum. There have been pregnancies, births, deaths, marriages, divorces. Children have become adults. People have moved house, moved abroad, changed jobs, and changed political allegiances.
PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED THEIR MINDS ABOUT BREXIT.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 23, 2019, 04:11:55 PM
Those Donny votes were 3 years ago

We must always remember that this brexit plague was brought to our door by a small group of corrupt extremist politicians and fellow collaborators abroad. They are well funded and they pay for the machine that incessantly unleashes hate on our society. #FBPE

A lot can happen in 3 years since the referendum. There have been pregnancies, births, deaths, marriages, divorces. Children have become adults. People have moved house, moved abroad, changed jobs, and changed political allegiances.
PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED THEIR MINDS ABOUT BREXIT.

What people?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on July 23, 2019, 04:14:56 PM
Johnson may have the keys to Number 10, but the fight for a People's Vote is far from over.
JOIN US TO FIGHT FOR A PEOPLE'S VOTE


The European Movement now has over 150 local groups across the UK campaigning tirelessly for a final say referendum and a broad coalition of MPs who are fighting against a cata-strophic No Deal Brexit in Parliament. Our local groups have been a crucial part of the suc-cess of the campaign so far - and will play a vital role in what happens next.
But we need your help. To ensure that our local groups have the resources they need to fight for a People's Vote in every constituency in the UK, join the European Movement today.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 23, 2019, 04:17:46 PM
Johnson may have the keys to Number 10, but the fight for a People's Vote is far from over.
JOIN US TO FIGHT FOR A PEOPLE'S VOTE


The European Movement now has over 150 local groups across the UK campaigning tirelessly for a final say referendum and a broad coalition of MPs who are fighting against a cata-strophic No Deal Brexit in Parliament. Our local groups have been a crucial part of the suc-cess of the campaign so far - and will play a vital role in what happens next.
But we need your help. To ensure that our local groups have the resources they need to fight for a People's Vote in every constituency in the UK, join the European Movement today.

Good luck with that then.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 23, 2019, 04:18:06 PM
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.

Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?

So come on :-

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/

69% of people in Donny voted for Brexit, not Boris. He just happens to be someone who supports Brexit.

The very same man that had two speeches written out, one in suport of Brexit, one in support of remain, and he just waited to see which way the wind would blow. So no one really knows what he’s in support of, apart from himself

I suppose when it comes to decision making it's good to weigh up the pros and cons. If it means writing out two essays, one in favour of one side and one in favour of the other so be it. I bet some of the most dedicated Remainers/Brexiters could declare good points on either side.

Perhaps Jezza Corbyn might have given more of an indication of his stance if he'd done the same.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on July 23, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
what people ?

EmmaJaneManley‏ @EmmaJaneManley1

I voted leave out of anger. Angry at the austerity cuts and being on the frontline of having to fight hard for daughter to attend a special school. Feeling angry, a bus with a big lie took my vote. What an idiot I was and I so regret the damage caused since. #changeUK
 
here's another couple

a brilliant thread on Twitter by the former Vote Leave staffer Oliver Norgrove ex-plaining why he couldn’t support Brexit anymore. This thread mirrored my own thoughts, and I finally admitted I had changed my mind.

We have had 3 wasted years of trashing our own economy and country’s reputation. We have seen racism and xenophobia spiral. We don’t want to ‘get on with it’, we want it buried.


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 23, 2019, 04:28:33 PM
what people ?

EmmaJaneManley‏ @EmmaJaneManley1

I voted leave out of anger. Angry at the austerity cuts and being on the frontline of having to fight hard for daughter to attend a special school. Feeling angry, a bus with a big lie took my vote. What an idiot I was and I so regret the damage caused since. #changeUK
 
here's another couple

a brilliant thread on Twitter by the former Vote Leave staffer Oliver Norgrove ex-plaining why he couldn’t support Brexit anymore. This thread mirrored my own thoughts, and I finally admitted I had changed my mind.

We have had 3 wasted years of trashing our own economy and country’s reputation. We have seen racism and xenophobia spiral. We don’t want to ‘get on with it’, we want it buried.

Well done, you've managed to name 3 people.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on July 23, 2019, 04:40:00 PM
just an indication of how the tide has turned

Well, it’s befitting that the Circus that is the UK has finally got its clown.@BorisJohnson is PM. If anyone can f@ck up Brexit and bring about the end of the Tories , it’s him.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on July 23, 2019, 05:41:06 PM
what people ?

EmmaJaneManley‏ @EmmaJaneManley1

I voted leave out of anger. Angry at the austerity cuts and being on the frontline of having to fight hard for daughter to attend a special school. Feeling angry, a bus with a big lie took my vote. What an idiot I was and I so regret the damage caused since. #changeUK
 
here's another couple

a brilliant thread on Twitter by the former Vote Leave staffer Oliver Norgrove ex-plaining why he couldn’t support Brexit anymore. This thread mirrored my own thoughts, and I finally admitted I had changed my mind.

We have had 3 wasted years of trashing our own economy and country’s reputation. We have seen racism and xenophobia spiral. We don’t want to ‘get on with it’, we want it buried.




Wtf was the first person thinking. Why would you vote leave if you had a problem with austerity? State of this country.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 23, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Here you go SS.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 23, 2019, 09:41:43 PM
Here you go SS.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

You love your stats, surveys, and polls. Me? I use my own eyes, ears, and gut instincts to make judgements.

However, I sincerely hope I'm wrong about Brexit, because as I've said on here many times, it will never be delivered, and the next General Election will be an absolute circus.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 23, 2019, 09:59:12 PM
SS
So you know a representative sample of people of all ages, classes and political persuasions, from all parts of the country?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 23, 2019, 10:23:19 PM
SS
So you know a representative sample of people of all ages, classes and political persuasions, from all parts of the country?

No, I don't, but all the pundits I listen to on all the news broadcasts and Press previews do.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 23, 2019, 10:25:21 PM
Do they? Really?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on July 24, 2019, 01:01:03 AM
Only multi millionaire off shore tax -dodgers and disaster capitalists would benefit from Brexit and not many of the in Doncaster , though a fair few are chums with Johnson.

Do really think an Eton toff , Bullingdon Club member with that name has Doncaster's interest at heart ?

So come on :-

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
Good post FB, any group that is formed up to get local people interested in politics is a good idea. Of course there will be the usual knockers and would be comedians because it scares them.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Axholme Lion on July 25, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
At last it looks like we have a PM with the right attitude who is building a good team around him to deliver what we voted for. Excellent speech from him yesterday I thought.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on July 25, 2019, 12:59:38 PM
Boris said today "I will rule for all my people, those doing OK, those on the way up but especially those on the way down and I'll let them up for air occasionally''  :huh:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 25, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
At last it looks like we have a PM with the right attitude who is building a good team around him to deliver what we voted for. Excellent speech from him yesterday I thought.

The sun shines down on the righteous!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Axholme Lion on July 25, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
At last it looks like we have a PM with the right attitude who is building a good team around him to deliver what we voted for. Excellent speech from him yesterday I thought.

The sun shines down on the righteous!

It must be thunder and lightning on the Lib Labs then?   :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on July 27, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
Those who think President Cummins and his lapdog BoJo are planning for inclusion should maybe look below the surface;
https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2019/07/27/boris-johnson-rules-out-a-snap-election-heres-the-evidence-that-suggests-otherwise/

Remember what you were told leading up to the theft of your vote before.
Be careful of the company you keep.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on July 27, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
Those who think President Cummins and his lapdog BoJo are planning for inclusion should maybe look below the surface;
https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2019/07/27/boris-johnson-rules-out-a-snap-election-heres-the-evidence-that-suggests-otherwise/

Remember what you were told leading up to the theft of your vote before.
Be careful of the company you keep.
The Canary is a Left wing press site which supports Jeremy Corbyn and the Green Party also, nothing here for me!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 27, 2019, 07:19:48 PM
The Canary? Scraping the bottom of the cage a bit there.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on July 27, 2019, 09:07:19 PM
I realise that The Canary might not be your cup of tea, all the more reason to consider it....you would not want to be becalmed in your comfort zone.

So what do you disagree with in the article, fellas?
All the points made are backed up by references where available.

Come on, tell us all why it is not true, then we can have a debate.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on July 27, 2019, 10:01:49 PM
That other well known leftie newsite, Buzzfeed, says its not true - because Dominic Cummings told them and he's in charge...it says here.

I refer especially to this paragraph:

Cummings is a follower of the American military strategist John Boyd, a US Air Force pilot whose theories feature regularly on the personal blog run by Johnson’s new top aide. Cummings has described Boyd as “a brilliant guy, a modern-day Sun Tzu”, and referred to his strategies when giving instructions to Vote Leave officials during the referendum. Former Gordon Brown adviser Damian McBride noted this week that Boyd’s central thesis was that you should confuse your enemy by doing the opposite of what they expect.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/how-dominic-cummings-took-control-in-boris-johnsons-first?ref=hpsplash
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on July 30, 2019, 10:46:53 AM
other countries will certainly be confused by the UK voting to deliberately sabotage it's own economy. I can actually hear them p1ssing themselves with laughter from here.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 30, 2019, 09:57:58 PM
https://youtu.be/grliNk9Mqz4
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 30, 2019, 10:01:16 PM
Good one BB. Showing speeches by neo-Nazis.

While your disciples are bigging up genocide.

Strange times.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 30, 2019, 10:05:16 PM
They're not pissing themselves with laughter, are they Billy lad?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 30, 2019, 10:23:52 PM
I've not much interest in what neo-Nazis think about Brexit.

You fill your boots though.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 30, 2019, 10:26:07 PM
I was responding to the post that said they're pissing themselves. Do you think they are?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 30, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
BB

I'll repeat it really slowly for you.

I don't give a f**k what neo-Nazis say about Brexit. I don't care whether they laugh, cry or smirk about it. And I would never, ever cite the opinions of neo-Nazis because they happened to support the case I wanted to make.

But you fill your boots.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 30, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Billy. It was you who responded to my post voluntarily, so don't blame me if you chose to get involved in something you've not got much interest in.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 30, 2019, 10:51:14 PM
Just pointing out what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less. You want to use opinions of neo-Nazis to support the point you are wanting to make then fine. Your choice.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on July 30, 2019, 10:55:07 PM
The point I wanted to make was that the EU isn't pissing itself over us, far from it.

Shitting itself.......Maybe.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Boomstick on July 30, 2019, 11:13:42 PM
Just pointing out what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less. You want to use opinions of neo-Nazis to support the point you are wanting to make then fine. Your choice.
If they are neo nazis then why haven't they been arrested, and why are they allowed to speak?
Is it because they aren't actually neo nazis as you lefty bed wetters claim, when anyone doesn't support your narrow minded narrative.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 30, 2019, 11:17:38 PM
And the evidence you chose to make that point was a speech by a leader of a neo-Nazi party. A party which has its own agenda on the issue of wanting to destabilise both the EU and German politics.

That's bad enough.

Then you double down by somehow drawing the conclusion that those neo-Nazis represent EU opinion.

For what it's worth, I don't think the EU has been (note the tense: I know these things are important to you) laughing at us. I think they've been grimly disappointed. Not shitting themselves, because we can't possibly damage them as much as we can damage ourselves, and they know that when push comes to shove, we not so f**king stupid as to economically hammer ourselves just purely to spite them.

Did you watch that Storyville documentary about the attitudes of the EU negotiators? The one that Leave.EU selectively editted to wind up the gullible into believing that the negotiators were devious liars? It's well worth watching. You'll see an attitude of sadness from the EU, combined with a steely determination that Brexit is not going to undermine the EU (which, of course, is what the AfD and their friends in the Kremlin want to happen).

I sense now that there is a sense of bewilderment that Britain,a country renown for hard-headed pragmatic diplomacy, has chosen a f**king idiot like Johnson as it's leader. Not pissing themselves exactly, but astonished that we could make ourselves look so utterly stupid. Play to the mob in the way that tin pot autocrats do in countries that don't have pretensions of being serious world powers.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Boomstick on July 30, 2019, 11:20:21 PM
And the evidence you chose to make that point was a speech by a leader of a neo-Nazi party. A party which has its own agenda on the issue of wanting to destabilise both the EU and German politics.

That's bad enough.

Then you double down by somehow drawing the conclusion that those neo-Nazis represent EU opinion.

For what it's worth, I don't think the EU has been (note the tense: I know these things are important to you) laughing at us. I think they've been grimly disappointed. Not shitting themselves, because we can't possibly damage them as much as we can damage ourselves, and they know that when push comes to shove, we not so f**king stupid as to economically hammer ourselves just purely to spite them.

Did you watch that Storyville documentary about the attitudes of the EU negotiators? The one that Leave.EU selectively editted to wind up the gullible into believing that the negotiators were devious liars? It's well worth watching. You'll see an attitude of sadness from the EU, combined with a steely determination that Brexit is not going to undermine the EU (which, of course, is what the AfD and their friends in the Kremlin want to happen).

I sense now that there is a sense of bewilderment that Britain,a country renown for hard-headed pragmatic diplomacy, has chosen a f**king idiot like Johnson as it's leader. Not pissing themselves exactly, but astonished that we could make ourselves look so utterly stupid. Play to the mob in the way that tin pot autocrats do in countries that don't have pretensions of being serious world powers.
😂😂😂😂😂 Kicking and screaming won't help you get your Teddy you threw out of your pram in 2016.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 31, 2019, 05:43:40 PM
other countries will certainly be confused by the UK voting to deliberately sabotage it's own economy. I can actually hear them p1ssing themselves with laughter from here.

Really? Do you mean like the 60 plus million people in America who'll be voting next year to let the Democrats take a wrecking ball to the booming US economy, with high taxes and unemployment?

Yeah right.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 31, 2019, 07:23:47 PM
You're miles off the pace SS.

Yes, Trump's tax cuts gave the economy a sugar rush (as well as massively increasing the deficit...hey! funny that! Republicans used to care about the deficit when they were stopping Obama spending when the economy REALLY needed it...).

But the effect is already wearing off rapidly.

America's long term GDP growth rate is about 3.3%. Under Trump it just kissed that value briefly as the tax cuts kicked in. But growth has dropped rapidly over the past year. It's now down to 2.2% and falling like a stone.

Go check. The data's all out there.

The economy ain't going to win it for Trump next year.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 31, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
You're miles off the pace SS.

Yes, Trump's tax cuts gave the economy a sugar rush (as well as massively increasing the deficit...hey! funny that! Republicans used to care about the deficit when they were stopping Obama spending when the economy REALLY needed it...).

But the effect is already wearing off rapidly.

America's long term GDP growth rate is about 3.3%. Under Trump it just kissed that value briefly as the tax cuts kicked in. But growth has dropped rapidly over the past year. It's now down to 2.2% and falling like a stone.

Go check. The data's all out there.

The economy ain't going to win it for Trump next year.

And what about the 4 million jobs created that you conveniently never mention? How many jobs do you seriously think the Democrats will create?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 31, 2019, 08:45:13 PM
SS.
Why do you do this? There's a whole world of information at your fingertips out there.

Go and have a look at how many jobs were created under Obama. He inherited an economy at the start of the worst recession in 80 years but, despite a Republican Congress that neutered his more ambitious reflation proposals, there were about 13 million jobs created between 2010 and 2017.

Just go and look at the numbers and see if they support what you want to believe.

In case you're struggling, have a look here.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/employed-persons

Hit the "10Y" button under the graph.

And then I suggest you stop and have a wee think about how you develop your opinions.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on July 31, 2019, 09:56:38 PM
BST, in a borough that voted almost 70% leave.... what do the Best for Doncaster group hope to achieve?

The "poll" of 115 people (out of an electorate of over 217,000) is honestly a bit sad.

I checked out the website, and can't find any articles to persuade me to be a Remainer... the website is all about there being a group, not what they actually want or their ideas....

I'll be honest it comes across as borderline parody and I assure you I have an open mind despite our previous debates on the issue.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on July 31, 2019, 10:00:04 PM
SS.
Why do you do this? There's a whole world of information at your fingertips out there.

Go and have a look at how many jobs were created under Obama. He inherited an economy at the start of the worst recession in 80 years but, despite a Republican Congress that neutered his more ambitious reflation proposals, there were about 13 million jobs created between 2010 and 2017.

Just go and look at the numbers and see if they support what you want to believe.

Like I've said before Billy, I get my information from pundits and experts on the News broadcasts and Press previews, most of them who hate Trump but face up to facts. It's also interesting that the same people claim that Trump, the supposed racist, has put more blacks and latinos back into work than any previous President.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 31, 2019, 10:19:16 PM
But why listen to pundits? Or accept what they say? The facts are there for you to check yourself. I found the US Labour market employment figures in 15 seconds.


Anyway. You accept that comment that Democrats can't match Trump for job creation was a pile of ba-baa?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on July 31, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
Also, by any check I can find, BestforDoncaster is averaging ZERO unique website visitors per day. This means traffic to the site is so low as to be imperceptible.

For Doncaster to swing to Remain in any future vote, they would need almost 29,000 people to change sides.
Their latest tweet talks about the government being extreme right wing. I think a dose of reality (and history, and humility, and realism, and pragmatism) is required.

Their news headline on the site is "Leave voters changing mind over brexit"... yet they could only manage to find around 63 people who want another referendum.....Saturday marketplace footfall (measured in 2015) was almost 4000 people..... so of the 4000 people who could possibly agree with them that another referendum is needed....... about 1.5% agree.......

This leads me to the conclusion that the group is a bunch of time wasting amateurs wasting their time....... erm..... sounds like the Opposition doesn't it!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 31, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
BST, in a borough that voted almost 70% leave.... what do the Best for Doncaster group hope to achieve?



SSF.

I've no idea. I've never heard of them. Why not ask them?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 31, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
SS.

By the way. That claim that more jobs have been created for blacks and Latinos under Trump than under any other President.

Are you absolutely sure about that.

Only, it's just that only about 4million jobs have been created under Trump.

But there were about 14 million jobs created under Carter. About 18 million under Reagan. About 20 million under Clinton and about 13 million under Obama.

(By the way. It's silly to say that Trump or any other President "created" those jobs. They were created under their leadership, but there's a lot more factors go into the economy than what the President does or doesn't do.)

I'm not saying your claim is wrong, but...well, in the light of those figures, it strains credulity a tad. It'd only work if every single job under Trump had gone to a minority person, but only 20% of the jobs under Clinton had.

I'm interested. Where does that claim come from?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on July 31, 2019, 10:49:54 PM
Billy my apologies it was foxbat who mentioned the group.... I mis-read!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on July 31, 2019, 11:33:29 PM
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,

''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on July 31, 2019, 11:53:17 PM
Billy my apologies it was foxbat who mentioned the group.... I mis-read!

No problem. Stones and glass houses and all that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 01, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,

''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693

I only know two northern irishmen but am assured everyone they k know thinks the same but their opinion when asked about the border issue was along the lines of "fck the Irish, build a wall".... and "I would cut those bssstards off if I had a big enough chainsaw" 

I think the media are overestimating the will of the northern Irish to unify the island.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on August 01, 2019, 01:33:36 PM
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,

''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693

I only know two northern irishmen but am assured everyone they k know thinks the same but their opinion when asked about the border issue was along the lines of "fck the Irish, build a wall".... and "I would cut those bssstards off if I had a big enough chainsaw" 

I think the media are overestimating the will of the northern Irish to unify the island.

I’ve visited Ireland loads of times both North and South of the border, you could n’t meet nicer people, there are extremists in all walks of life, but the majority are good people
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 01, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
I don't know anyone who currently has cancer. I think the media are overdoing the whole cancer thing.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 01, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
'the EU needs us more than we need them , the EU are sh1tting themselves' again eh ?
I thought everyone had realised just how silly that was a few years ago.
On planet 'Actual Facts ' , the EU are p1ssing themselves and you can  add to that Canadians and Australians , I hear now , they would love a deal with the EU like we have.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 01, 2019, 05:25:42 PM
That's Ireland and NI sorted out then,

''Sinn Féin said if a no-deal Brexit happens, the government must call a referendum on Irish unity "immediately"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49172693

I only know two northern irishmen but am assured everyone they k know thinks the same but their opinion when asked about the border issue was along the lines of "fck the Irish, build a wall".... and "I would cut those bssstards off if I had a big enough chainsaw" 

I think the media are overestimating the will of the northern Irish to unify the island.

Why does everybody assume that if NI leaves the UK it'll automatically join the ROI? It can just as easily become completely independent. And then rejoin the EU if they want.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: RedJ on August 01, 2019, 06:09:58 PM
Aye but it's a very small minority of people that actually want that. I didn't even know Ulster nationalism was a thing until recently to be honest. I feel like a hard border will tip the balance in Sinn Fein and co's favour.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 01, 2019, 10:08:52 PM
an independent NI, and Scotland for that matter, would be light years away from being in a credible position to meet the EU joining requirements.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 02, 2019, 12:53:24 AM
an independent NI, and Scotland for that matter, would be light years away from being in a credible position to meet the EU joining requirements.
There is nothing to stop Ireland, Scotland, NI and Wales for that matter joining a common trading group.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 02, 2019, 07:28:49 AM
Good for them if they do, I wish we could be in a trading partnership with our neighbours that didn't include politics and third party control of our national interest

Scotland, Wales and NI receive more than their fair share of UK Govt total money, 10 to 20 percent more per person per year. Once they've made up for their current net deficit input, and accounted for their portion of the UK national debt.... I'd wish them all the very best.

However, I think the SNP for one should be careful what they wish for. Scotland is currently reliant on the other UK nations to top up its income. As per the other thread I'd be interested to see where Scottish cuts would come.

If scotland had gone independent last time around they would already be bankrupt. They clearly need a better plan
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 02, 2019, 07:37:38 AM
Lets hope the Scots don't ask for their North Sea Oil money back aye?

Dude, where's my North Sea oil money?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/north-sea-oil-money-uk-norwegians-fund

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on August 02, 2019, 07:48:27 AM
Lets hope the Scots don't ask for their North Sea Oil money back aye?

Dude, where's my North Sea oil money?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/north-sea-oil-money-uk-norwegians-fund



That does not surprise me one bit, what does surprise me is the people of this Country keep on letting it happen
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 02, 2019, 07:50:15 AM
Interesting read. Is there any agreement in place that says the oil fields would be in Scotlands territorial waters in the event of a UK divide? As it stands the waters are british not scottish.

Let's hope we dont ask for our Barnett formula subsidies back eh?

It works both ways. Perhaps not to the tune of the billions of oil money but the principle is the same.


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 02, 2019, 08:16:54 AM
Interesting read. Is there any agreement in place that says the oil fields would be in Scotlands territorial waters in the event of a UK divide? As it stands the waters are british not scottish.

Let's hope we dont ask for our Barnett formula subsidies back eh?

It works both ways. Perhaps not to the tune of the billions of oil money but the principle is the same.

So isn't the answer that when we are in the UK together they are our debts and our profits? You haven't commented on Thatcher's profligacy?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 02, 2019, 08:22:06 AM
Our debts and profits... you were the one saying they should claim the oil money back!

I cant comment on the figures as I cant find a link to back them up. If they're right then of course it doesn't paint a great picture.

That doesn't mean we should end austerity now because of the past bad decisions. We are continuing to get into more debt at a rate of over £5000 per second. And you would have us spend more???
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 02, 2019, 08:29:47 AM
Our debts and profits... you were the one saying they should claim the oil money back!

No, that's not what I said.

I cant comment on the figures as I cant find a link to back them up. If they're right then of course it doesn't paint a great picture.

I'm patient.

That doesn't mean we should end austerity now because of the past bad decisions. We are continuing to get into more debt at a rate of over £5000 per second. And you would have us spend more???

Austerity is what is shackling the economy, putting more money into the hands of those that will spend it all is better than putting it into the hands of those that will squirrel it away. Are we going around in circles here?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 02, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
Good for them if they do, I wish we could be in a trading partnership with our neighbours that didn't include politics and third party control of our national interest.

That'd be good wouldn't it? Getting all the benefits of a trading partnership without giving up any control. I'll have some of that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 02, 2019, 09:01:16 AM
I'd like to get your take on the Lynton Crosby headlines today BST, it's a bit scary what these bas**rds are getting up to?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 02, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
We are in the midst of a right-wing coup & have been for 3+ years. Getting us to vote on leaving the EU was never about whether our EU membership was good for us or not, it was simply the vehicle for those who wanted to seize absolute power to achieve their nefarious goals.

Johnson's "War cabinet" will spend at wartime levels on state propaganda. Because it's a war against you, the poor, the students, the old, the sick, the young families - oh and manufacturing. It's a war for greed and racism.


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 02, 2019, 03:37:00 PM
We are in the midst of a right-wing coup & have been for 3+ years. Getting us to vote on leaving the EU was never about whether our EU membership was good for us or not, it was simply the vehicle for those who wanted to seize absolute power to achieve their nefarious goals.

Johnson's "War cabinet" will spend at wartime levels on state propaganda. Because it's a war against you, the poor, the students, the old, the sick, the young families - oh and manufacturing. It's a war for greed and racism.
What's wrong with right wing. Why has that become a dirty word. A few years of proper, right wing, conservative (little C) values might get the country back on track.

Conflating the right with automatic racism is insulting and unnecessary.

I'm open to debate but there is some rampant socialist elements here it seems. Also, and not necessarily in this post, but in general, more than a hint of patronizing tone, as I've said before... which, if you understand those right of center, and if you truly understood the working class (which I am but it depends my which metric you use)... you would avoid.

Patronising Brexit voters, patronising right wingers, I can assure you is only a route to the cementing of their/my views. Perhaps if Labour/Lib Dems understood that they would win more people over.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: RedJ on August 02, 2019, 03:40:06 PM
Just my opinion but in recent years the centre ground appears to have shifted to the right to the extent that the far right isn't as, well, far as it once was. Perhaps why it's become something of a dirty word.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 02, 2019, 04:44:13 PM
'  proper, right wing, conservative (little C) values ' ? a big contradiction in this for me.

I think they hark back to Macmiliian's days and were replaced by Thatcher's values , that devastated this country and Doncaster in particular, that set up a virtual police state to destroy the mining industry .

anyone who criticised this was a 'socialist' , heaven forbid , almost an enemy of the state.

and this government and cabinet have moved a long way on from even that.
Bring back capital punishment Patel ? bring back pounds shillings and pence Mogg ?

there was a good programme on the history of spain and Franco in the week.
As he marched through the country , town by town , anyone who he didn't like , critic, different religion , gay,  was declared an 'enemy of spain ' , lined up against the wall and shot.

That's right wing for you.







Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on August 02, 2019, 04:51:26 PM
What's wrong with right wingers? Johnny Mooney was f*cking brilliant for us.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 02, 2019, 11:44:00 PM
We are in the midst of a right-wing coup & have been for 3+ years. Getting us to vote on leaving the EU was never about whether our EU membership was good for us or not, it was simply the vehicle for those who wanted to seize absolute power to achieve their nefarious goals.

Johnson's "War cabinet" will spend at wartime levels on state propaganda. Because it's a war against you, the poor, the students, the old, the sick, the young families - oh and manufacturing. It's a war for greed and racism.
What's wrong with right wing. Why has that become a dirty word. A few years of proper, right wing, conservative (little C) values might get the country back on track.

Conflating the right with automatic racism is insulting and unnecessary.

I'm open to debate but there is some rampant socialist elements here it seems. Also, and not necessarily in this post, but in general, more than a hint of patronizing tone, as I've said before... which, if you understand those right of center, and if you truly understood the working class (which I am but it depends my which metric you use)... you would avoid.

Patronising Brexit voters, patronising right wingers, I can assure you is only a route to the cementing of their/my views. Perhaps if Labour/Lib Dems understood that they would win more people over.

SSF, you think boris piffle johnson is a reputable person, a person of integrity and sound judgement, enough to be running the country, think back over the highlights of his career of his journalism career, mayor of London and then as an MP, couldn't even bring himself to cast a vote for an airport expansion.

''Conflating the right with automatic racism is insulting and unnecessary.''

How can you not conflate the right with racism when your party of the right has just elected a racist for a leader?

 The racism shit we fight it on a local level in sport while boris piffle johnson exported it in his role as Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, is this the sort of conservative you want to run britain? the choice appears at the moment to be the continuation of the highly discredited Austerity or throwing money around like sailors on shore-leave.

''What's wrong with right wing. Why has that become a dirty word'' - this is what's wrong and you appear to be happy to vote for him. It appears to be OK to say you are a moderate conservative but elect a right wing government.

Is it not patronising and absolving your party of blame to address the issue of millions living in poverty in Britain to say "that's not real poverty" it's poverty in name only? How many food banks are there in Britain?

You still haven't addressed the question over Thatcher's frittering away the 10s of billions of oil money instead of investing in the country's future nor have you addressed Austerity or are you an adherent of trickle down.

''A few years of proper, right wing, conservative (little C) values might get the country back on track''

This is taking the piss, right? and patronising to the extreme.



Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 03, 2019, 09:24:36 AM
Just my opinion but in recent years the centre ground appears to have shifted to the right to the extent that the far right isn't as, well, far as it once was. Perhaps why it's become something of a dirty word.

Extremism is still extremist however popular it is - there are plenty of examples from history to show that.

But you are correct in the way media propoganda is trying to change/shape public opinion. For example a publicly funded, free at the point of service, health service is now 'far-left'. Whilst privatisation of public services and tax cuts for the top 10% was the choice of 40% of people in Brecon last Thursday.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 03, 2019, 09:45:55 AM
Those that control the media/message shape the future.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 03, 2019, 03:02:11 PM
It's odd that a thread that has turned into calling right wingers racist started with an accusation that boris' name and background mean he cant possibly support the people of donny.

If I started a thread with the same connotations about a stereotypically black or asian or middle eastern name what would the reaction be?

I think that very post, post one of this thread, speaks volumes about the openness and tolerance of the left.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 03, 2019, 03:26:07 PM
I never said it's not real poverty. I said our UK idea of poverty is different to the UNs more widely recognised levels.

Do I want people to have to use food banks, or course I dont and I help those less fortunate where I can. But through years of left wing policies where have we ended up?

I havent answered the Thatcher points as I wasnt alive and havent the time or inclination to research it.

Neither you nor I are going to reverse our position, and that's fine by me. I've not written anything with the intent of winding or patronizing anyone. Apologies if it does or is recieved that way.

Right wingers can be compassionate, can be promoters of diversity, inclusion, fairness.... those qualities aren't purely indicative of the left despite the moral high ground some people perceive that they hold.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 03, 2019, 03:27:01 PM
Excuse my crap English, on mobile.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 03, 2019, 09:29:58 PM
Excuse my crap English, on mobile.

What about you a small 'C' electing a right wing racist leader? who talks about ''Watermelon smiles'' and ''piccaninnies''

If you read up about Thatcher (and Austerity which you keep avoiding) maybe you would understand more why the UK is in a fiscal hole today and there is this disbelief when people trot out that conservatives understand economics.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 03, 2019, 10:13:20 PM
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 05, 2019, 12:13:16 AM
Do you think boris is a small 'c' or a big 'C'  :blink:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 05, 2019, 12:32:17 AM
Depends on whether he's got his mouth open or not.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on August 05, 2019, 08:57:37 PM
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.

Corbyn would run the country like a communist would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 05, 2019, 09:03:43 PM
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.

Corbyn would run the country like a communist would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.

Salt mines of Middlewich for you then!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 05, 2019, 09:11:52 PM
The Conservatives run the economy like an accountant would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.

Corbyn would run the country like a communist would instead of trying to run it like an economist would.

If that is so then he will only be the 2nd communist in No.10 this year. Johnson's new Director of Policy is a former member of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Among other policy announcements she has called for an 'erosion of public freedoms'.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/05/boris-johnson-ushers-in-radical-new-era-of-special-advisers
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on August 05, 2019, 10:43:53 PM
Some of the best of us had Communist tendencies when we were young 'uns. Even I did. Most of us grow up though. Poor old Jezza's leaving it a bit late!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 05, 2019, 11:07:26 PM
Pulling up the ladder, I'm alright syndrome.

''Does Money Make People Right-Wing and Inegalitarian? A Longitudinal Study of Lottery Winners''

''The  causes  of  people’s  political  attitudes  are largely  unknown.    We  study  this issue by exploiting longitudinal data on lottery winners.  Comparing people before and after a lottery windfall, we show that winners tend to switch towards support for a right-wing political party and  to  become  less  egalitarian.    The  larger  the  win,  the  more  people  tilt  to  the  right.    This relationship is robust to (i) different ways of defining right-wing, (ii) a variety of estimation methods,  and  (iii)  methods  that  condition  on  the  person  previously  having  voted  left.   It  is strongest for males.  Our findings are consistent with the view that voting is driven partly by human self-interest.  Money apparently makes people more right-wing''

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/workingpapers/2014/twerp_1039_oswald.pdf

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on August 05, 2019, 11:22:50 PM
I won the lottery and that changed my views. With my £10 winnings, I bought a copy of The Rise and Fall of Communism.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 06, 2019, 04:08:11 AM
''Boris Johnson has pledged to "do or die", and leave the EU by the deadline of 31 October, with or without a deal''

Easy choice then?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 06, 2019, 11:45:56 AM
It's an interesting topic, what drives people's political choices?

Logically you would think age, occupation, location, education level, background/upbringing?  Must be some good studies on it.

For me personally, I can't say it has changed much over time, it's not hugely different to what it was 10 years ago, albeit a bit more informed.  Isn't the truth that many people probably do change political thoughts over time due to life experiences?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 06, 2019, 01:30:19 PM
I have only had a quick glance at this so I'm not sure what it contains bfyp

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 07, 2019, 03:47:03 PM
I've just had to complete a new child benefit from, which I get nothing by the way anyway. But you have to do the form legally either way.

There are questions in there asking if I've got any other kids, which country they live in... etc. Can anyone of the pro-remain group on here explain to me how it is a good use of british taxpayers money supporting children in other eu countries?

Someone from Romania could come here on a contract earning 49,999k and get child benefit for their family back home.... yet as a uk born and bred taxpayer I can earn 50,001k or more and get nothing. Is that right or fair?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: idler on August 07, 2019, 04:01:34 PM
No it's not.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 07, 2019, 04:12:47 PM
SSF.

1) That Romanian would also be paying tax here so the fact that you're a tax payer is neither here nor there. It was a decision by the Tory/LD coalition to make Child Benefit unavailable for higher rate tax payers.

2) You could go and work in any EU country, earn as much as you were able to do and receive the benefits that their Govts paid to their citizens.

It works both ways.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 07, 2019, 08:39:56 PM
It certainly does not work both ways. Romania does not pay child benefit in the average circumstances,  only in the case of disability and such like. The child must be resident with the parent claiming.

So I cant move to Romania and claim child benefit for my children in the uk.

Out of my taxes money is being sent to children abroad yet my own (british) children are not deemed worthy of receiving anything.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 07, 2019, 09:24:24 PM
I'll take that point SSF.

But you're looking at one specific issue in isolation. I'm sure you're aware of the countless research studies which have all concluded that EU immigrant workers contribute significantly more to the UK economy than they take out in benefits and Govt-funded services?

So, even taking on board your understandable grievance at being denied child benefit (by a Tory Chancellor) the hypothetical Romanian worker you cite still makes a net contribution towards your use of the NHS, state education, police, fire service, bin collection, parks, roads...etc, etc...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 09, 2019, 09:56:14 AM
consider carefully all , the 'Boris' brand , cuddly Boris ?, a great laugh on
' Have I got news for you ? '

standing up for the people against the elite ? , really ?

de Pfeffel Family History :-

Johnson’s paternal grandmother, Yvonne Eileen Williams,whose family name was de Pfeffel, was a descendant of Prince Paul Von Wurttemberg. The German prince was, in turn, a direct descendant of George II.
 
This discovery means that Boris Johnson is not only distantly related, albeit very far re-moved, to the present Royal Family but also to all the royal houses of Europe, including the Swedish and Dutch royal families, as well as the Romanoffs.

Really ?
 


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 09, 2019, 10:03:32 AM
Spin:
''Jeremy Corbyn's new Brexit ploy: Labour leader appeals to Cabinet Secretary Sir Mark Sedwill to step in and stop Boris Johnson from forcing through No Deal''

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7339027/Labour-leader-appeals-Cabinet-Secretary-stop-Boris-Johnson-forcing-No-Deal.html

Reality:

''Brexit: Corbyn seeks clarity on 'unconstitutional' election-time no-deal''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49285670

Yellow press aye!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 09, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Fox at can you understand my comparison that you having such a problem with his name and family "status" is EXACTLY the same as me saying, for example.. "with a name like Mayor Khan, he obviously doesn't care about us".

If he is a knob head, liar, buffoon. It is regardless of those factors.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 09, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
SSF

That's a truly awful analogy.

The issue about Johnson is that he is someone from an aristocratic lineage, putting himself forward as being in the side of the little man against the Elite that he comes from.

How in earth do you draw an analogy with Sadiq Khan from that?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 09, 2019, 02:11:47 PM
Because the two issues are exactly alike and equally deplorable.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 09, 2019, 02:12:16 PM
What two issues?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SouthStandFan on August 09, 2019, 02:35:44 PM
As I put in the other thread.... if someone is disagreeable to you (as you quite validly see Boris as an idiot in your opinion, and various other things), that opinion should really be formed regardless of race, gender, class, surname, etc

Not that I want to, but should I be disqualified from running for donny council because I grew up poor, lived in a council house etc... should I be disqualified because I've now got an above average wage... if I go on to be a millionaire (next year rodney), should I be disqualified  then?

People are judging boris based on him being a bit posh, that's the very first post in this thread.

Would you rather have a leader of the country educated at Eton or Hall Cross 6th form? Does it really matter ?

You are trying to take the high road "truly awful analogy", whilst doing the very things I am advocating against, judging people on factors out of their control

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 09, 2019, 04:08:04 PM
Hall Cross Academy eh ?  or Doncaster Grammer school when I was at school.
I would be proud if a pupil from there became Prime Minister , I certainly don't find the idea outrageous as some.

Why the assumption that because someone's family has paid for them to go to Eton that they will be a good prime minister ? Is that sense of expectation they seem to be given , a good basis to run the country , and who exactly is it being run for.

Johnson isn't a buffoon , he has engineered himself into the PM position ( admittedly by constant lying and saying anything that he thinks will benefit him ) but an achievement nevertheless. Though from reports he is lazy , doesn't do any work , doesn't read any preparation that done for him and doesn't give a sh1t about anything but himself.

I certainly never bought into his good old Boris , public school buffoon act from the beginning.

it's the hypocrisy that get's me ( and the way people fall for it )  claiming to be fighting
' the Elite ' , when , as I have been trying to point out , Johnson is as good an example of 'the Elite ' as you can possibly get.

Maybe it was better is times past but the latest crop of ex Eton PM's have been so horrendous that I would take someone from Hall Cross every time
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 09, 2019, 04:13:52 PM
SSF.

No. I'm saying it's an awful analogy because Johnson claims to be railing against the elite while being from the very same elite.

And I don't see how Khan is claiming to be on the side of people who are fighting against people from his background.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 10, 2019, 09:41:05 AM
What do they say, a weeks' a long time in politics:

Monday - Johnson makes un-costed pledge of billions of pounds of extra funding for public services because of Britain’s ‘strong economy’

Friday - UK economy shrinks for first time since 2012 and is on the verge of recession
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 10, 2019, 09:58:49 AM
Looks like the first thing he needs to do is have a scrat down the back of the settee and find ten bob for the leccy meter.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 16, 2019, 08:38:39 AM
I know this boris interview with Eddie Mair is an oldie but it's certainly a goodie maybe even the best?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-interview-eddie-mair

I just like to watch it every now and again and wonder how he became PM.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 16, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
It is astonishing isn't it.

Picture the response if a Labour leader had conspired with a friend to have a journalist beaten up, had a string of affairs and broken marriages and twice been sacked for lying to his boss.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 23, 2019, 11:36:22 AM
Downing Street has hit back at Channel 4 News after their boss labelled Boris Johnson a 'known liar.’

 It’s a radical idea I know, but if Politicians don’t want to be labelled liars perhaps they should just stop telling liespic. twitter.com/6m1cggBo3s


Johnson lies all the time. In fact, he's been sacked more than once SPECIFICALLY for lying. You know, we know, the world knows. That literally makes you a 'KNOWN LIAR'.
 Don't want to be called a liar - don't lie. It's not a difficult concept  #NotMyPM
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 23, 2019, 11:52:45 AM
A bit improper perhaps for them to say that?  I know they like to be out there but perhaps across a line?  It's as improper as saying Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser which I don't really agree with either.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 23, 2019, 12:07:42 PM
A bit improper perhaps for them to say that? I know they like to be out there but perhaps across a line?  It's as improper as saying Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser which I don't really agree with either.

Why? Micheal Howard sacked Johnson because he lied to his face. So did David Cameron. Where's the ambiguity?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 23, 2019, 01:26:14 PM
A bit improper perhaps for them to say that? I know they like to be out there but perhaps across a line?  It's as improper as saying Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser which I don't really agree with either.

Why? Micheal Howard sacked Johnson because he lied to his face. So did David Cameron. Where's the ambiguity?

This is absolutely gobsmacking what's to complain about? For a pig he's a bit thin skinned. This and his casual racism plus his affairs has been all over the media and he complains about Ch 4. On top of all that he's a coward and spends 20K of public money and goes overseas to avoid a vote on Heathrow.

Added: If you think about it Channel 4 would be lying is they said otherwise. no?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 23, 2019, 06:41:50 PM
Max Hastings also sacked him for lying in an article he wrote in the Telegraph.

He's a liar. He should be called a liar. There's no grey area to this.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 23, 2019, 07:25:01 PM
The full speech is brilliant - well worth reading if you haven't already. She is particularly keen on slating politicians for avoiding tv interviews - and is just as hard on Corbyn as other politicians.

Here is the relevant bit on Johnson:

In honour of Scotland, I’ve brought along a herring to rival the kipper Boris Johnson produced in the leadership election. He said that Brussels bureaucrats had demanded that each kipper had to be accompanied by a plastic ice pillow. That was simply untrue. Even Donald Trump’s never lied about a kipper.
 
Going back decades, Johnson has lied about the EU.
 
1991 - EU bureaucrats reject Italian demands for smaller condoms. Rubbish.
 
The EU set rules on the shape of bananas. Nonsense
 
More recently, he claimed he was resigning from Theresa May’s government partly because the EU had prevented the UK from passing a law to save the lives of female cyclists. What a feminist that man is! So many women say that to me.
 
Here is what we all need to decide: what do we do when a known liar becomes our Prime Minister?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nl6rIrW0HHnzxRwkJtANzYvqDG3WCv8Gpv8tA2iDsS0/edit
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 24, 2019, 04:02:49 AM
''Boris Johnson and Donald Trump speak ahead of G7 meeting''

I'll bet that was a crackin' conversation?

They connected noses somewhere mid-Atlantic apparently  :woohoo:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49452017
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 24, 2019, 10:03:21 AM
Leading the world in efforts to halt global environmental disaster and climate change targets, France and Ireland have threatened to block the EU fee-trade deal with Brazil unless Bolsonaro stops deforestation and burning in the Amazon.

In contrast - Johnson has sent a trade delegation to Brazil discuss a new free-trade deal.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-ally-cosies-up-18990693?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Put profit for the wealthy elite before the welfare of the people #VoteTory
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on August 24, 2019, 11:35:58 AM
Waiting for a tory fanboy on here to spin that...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 24, 2019, 02:18:42 PM
Waiting for a tory fanboy on here to spin that...

Capitalism rules, dunnit?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 25, 2019, 01:09:30 AM
''Boris Johnson has asked the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, whether parliament can be shut down for five weeks from 9 September in what appears to be a concerted plan to stop MPs forcing a further extension to Brexit, according to leaked government correspondence''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure

Johnson is the tw@t of modern day UK politics and should be given the same treatment as Guy Fawkes.

Promising everything to his supporters but bereft of ideas to back up his spiel he  wants to stab the ball so no one can play

Little Britain you got what you voted for.

''Fawkes gave his name as John Johnson''

'' Fawkes was identified as Guido Fawkes, "otherwise called Guido Johnson"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes#Torture
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on August 25, 2019, 11:27:34 AM
''Boris Johnson has asked the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, whether parliament can be shut down for five weeks from 9 September in what appears to be a concerted plan to stop MPs forcing a further extension to Brexit, according to leaked government correspondence''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure

Johnson is the tw@t of modern day UK politics and should be given the same treatment as Guy Fawkes.

Promising everything to his supporters but bereft of ideas to back up his spiel he  wants to stab the ball so no one can play

Little Britain you got what you voted for.

''Fawkes gave his name as John Johnson''

'' Fawkes was identified as Guido Fawkes, "otherwise called Guido Johnson"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes#Torture

Johnson is a man of his word.

Unfortunately, that word is "SUCKERS!!".
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 27, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Johnson's default mode is lying.
 
He lied about Operation Yellowhammer
being out of date.

He lied about pork pie exports.

He lied about Vote Leave funding.

He has been sacked from two jobs for lying.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wing commander on August 27, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
   It turns out he wasn't lying about Pork pies for the sake of balance....
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 10:41:56 AM
He lied about kippers a few weeks ago. He lied about bendy bananas two decades ago. (yep! That lie about the EU and bendy bananas was started by our Liar-in-Chief.)

He's even lied about being the father of one of his kids.

He's a pathological liar. His entire career has careered from one lie to the next.

WingCo. I've not seen the latest on Pork Pie-gate. Which bit wasn't he lying about?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 10:43:39 AM
By the way. This is what happens when grown ups claim they're being worldly-wise and say "Oh they all lie." They DON'T all lie. But if you lazily assume they do, you end up with a real pathological liar as your leader.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 10:47:52 AM
I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the box, but it's only just dawned on me.

Johnson telling pork pies about pork pies, and then No10 telling pork pies about that.

This is infinite regress.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wing commander on August 27, 2019, 11:03:26 AM
   I'm not going to get in a debate about Boris Johnson tbh..I'm no fan myself either but I'm getting a bit tired of this Tory Leader feeding frenzy you all seem to enjoy regardless of who it is.Whilst the pathetic,wishy washy,ineffective,Leadership of your own party seems to exempt from discussion..

   However despite the Chairman of the Melton Mowbary Pork Pie associations saying they don't export,it turns out one of the companies in it has admitted they do this morning..

   Like I say though it's quite pathetic that people are jumping all over such a irrelevant thing compared to our nationwide Political mess on both sides of the house...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
Have you got a link to that Wing Co? I can't find it anywhere.

Regarding not criticising Corbyn...I guess you don't read my posts then?!

But for all Corbyn's faults, he certainly isn't a compulsive, pathological liar. Where's Johnson unarguably is.

Have a read of this.

https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/

That's the man who now runs the country.

If he told me it was Tuesday, I'd check the calendar rather than believe him.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 27, 2019, 11:47:04 AM
''Downing Street insisted pies were exported, citing producer Walker & Son - but the company said this was not correct''

Walker & Son told the BBC it had previously exported a "tiny amount" of pork pies to Singapore, but had not done so for "at least two years" and is now "entirely focused on the UK market".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49470831
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 12:10:04 PM
WingCo.

I despair. You are a smart bloke but you reckon this somehow absolves Johnson of lying?

Look at what he said.

"Melton Mowbray pork pies, which are sold in Thailand and in Iceland, are currently unable to enter the US market because of, I don’t know, some sort of Food and Drug Administration restriction."

They are NOT sold in Thailand and Iceland.

They are not prevented from being sold in America because of regulations.

He lied. Full stop.

This is what he does. He's a showman. He puts on a show that makes people laugh and makes people think that these evil bureaucracies are f**king them over. He's done it for decades, lying about EU regulations on bananas and condoms.

He's a liar. If you don't call him out on that, you're accepting that it's ok to have a liar as PM.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 27, 2019, 03:25:24 PM
Johnson does the lying thingy because he's an overblown lazy tw#t that likes to grandstand but won't do the detail. This is what civil servants that have had to deal with him in the past say. He doesn't prepare.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on August 27, 2019, 03:26:03 PM
By the way. This is what happens when grown ups claim they're being worldly-wise and say "Oh they all lie." They DON'T all lie. But if you lazily assume they do, you end up with a real pathological liar as your leader.

Zzzzzzzzzzz.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 27, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
But is this not prime example of why so many hate politics. Pork pies ffs, who cares?

There appears to be some small movement from the eu, let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on August 27, 2019, 03:30:34 PM
Sleep walking into a disastrous Brexit  ? - sad
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 27, 2019, 05:42:57 PM
But is this not prime example of why so many hate politics. Pork pies ffs, who cares?

There appears to be some small movement from the eu, let's see what happens.
I suppose what it shows byyp that johnson will lie about absolutely anything, it's in his dna, make a statement or state an answer and worry about whether it's the truth later. I care bfyp if the PM is a lying 777K, don't you?

Added: It's hard to avoid innit?

''Boris Johnson accused of misleading public over police numbers''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/27/boris-johnson-accused-of-misleading-public-over-police-numbers

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 27, 2019, 06:19:39 PM
But is this not prime example of why so many hate politics. Pork pies ffs, who cares?

There appears to be some small movement from the eu, let's see what happens.

That's a good point BYFP - imho its distraction tactics. Get people talking about if/how many Melton Mowbray pork pies are sold in the US/Malaysia before/after Brexit then people will miss the real impact of Brexit on pork pies.

At the moment Melton Mowbray pork pies are a protected brand under EU rules of origin. They have to be made within a certain radius of the town of Melton Mowbray - so a lot of jobs are created by pork pie sales.

Prior to these rules coming into force in 2007 more Melton Mowbray pork pies were made in Wiltshire than in Melton Mowbray. Then overnight they closed the factory loosing 400 jobs in the process.

After Brexit - when Melton Mowbray pork pies don't have to be made in Melton Mowbray anymore but can be manufactured anywhere around the world - how will the government protect these jobs from cheap foreign imports? After all - that is supposed to be the advantage of us leaving EU protection?

So the more Johnson can get people arguing about how many pork pies are sent to Malaysia rather than how many jobs will be lost in Melton Mowbray - the more he is winning the argument.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 27, 2019, 06:27:34 PM
I'm not sure it's a cunning plan though Wilts, more a by-product of being a born liar.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 10:07:11 PM
It's got sod all to do with pork pies.

It's got everything to do with the fact that Johnson is a pathological liar about  everything from kippers to Brexit to his inability to keep his cock in his pants.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 27, 2019, 11:18:49 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LizzyBuchan/status/1166349889917345794

Right. This is pretty much confirming that Johnson expects a GE in the Autumn.

Watch out for loads of vague, reversible promises to spend loads of money in the North and Midlands...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on August 30, 2019, 09:46:47 PM
A better job for boris where truth wouldn't matter?

''Aspiring Napoleon Bonaparte impersonators have been urged to apply for a position on the British Overseas Territory of St Helena, where the famed French emperor spent his final years''

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49529554

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on August 30, 2019, 10:04:06 PM
Johnson Johnson Johnson

Thats all I will ever call him (well apart from t*** c*** and f*****g)

To call him Bojo or Boris is to humanise him, make him friendly sounding - like he was a star on"Have I got news for you" for example BUT in truth he is a scheming conniving t**t interested in nothing but him

Sorry its just Johnson for me
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 31, 2019, 12:13:23 AM
Amen Wolf.

Anyone buying into the bumbling,amiable BoJo facade is culpable in this crisis that he is tipping us into.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: selby on August 31, 2019, 09:13:11 AM
  Herbert Chapman the old great Arsenal manager told the press "talk about Arsenal, even if it's bad", it looks as if the old ideas still work.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on August 31, 2019, 08:22:52 PM
Johnson and his cronies are subverting British democracy with their lies - says that dangerously subversive left-wing rag, the errrr Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7412909/PETER-OBORNE-warns-No10-aides-beware-tainted-legacy-liar-Campbell.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 31, 2019, 08:31:10 PM
That'll be the Peter Oborne who is rabidly anti-EU. Even HE thinks proroguing Parliament is a very dangerous thing for democracy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7393617/PETER-OBORNE-No-10s-plan-shut-Parliament-end-chaos.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on September 01, 2019, 01:09:48 AM
I like this line,
"If the public is fed misinformation and, therefore, votes in elections and referendums based on false premises, then this is a perversion of democracy."

who can disagree with that?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 01, 2019, 01:52:26 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 01, 2019, 09:43:39 AM
Why doesnt someone start a Petition "online" to try to get 18 Million people registered who would if it came to a second Vote - would vote Remain

There was the Online petition to get Parliament to revisit a Secod Referndum which May and others more or less ignored as they kept saying  "17,410,742 voted Leave which is far more - AND therefore we must deliver on the will of the British people"

So if someone gets 18 Million votes they can claim that any more - and surely they would have (in a Democracy) to at leasst concede that "the will of the People had changed) and test out that with a real Vote ?

Surprised someone like Gina Miller along with say John Major / Tony Blair have not tried it yet
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 01, 2019, 09:50:17 PM
Since wolfie had his little quiz then I think I am allowed to have one.

Who do you think wrote this in 2013 (when he was advising the Education Minister):

'However the spread of knowledge and education is itself a danger and cannot eliminate gaps in wealth and power created partly by unequally distributed heritable characteristics'.

Of course you all knew it was Dominic Cummings, far too easy for you.
https://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1381763590219/-Some-thoughts-on-education.pdf

the spread of knowledge and education is itself a danger #VoteTory
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 02, 2019, 01:58:44 AM
Wilts.

That's a gem! I'd skimmed that word salad of an aborted PhD thesis of his, but I'd missed that.

"gaps in wealth and power created partly by unequally distributed heritable characteristics".

f**k me, I knew he was borderline insane but this is full on ranting madness.

I can't believe, in 2013, we had ANYBODY, nevermind the man who would become the most powerful person in the country, still spouting this "nature over nurture" b*llocks.

Think about what he's saying. He says the way you are developed in the world cannot overcome differences in ability hard wired at conception.

But that is dogshit.

I'm a typical white English working class middle aged male. I was moderately fit at 20. I'm moderately unfit at 50.

I'm not exactly Usain Bolt.

But I'll tell you this. If I'd been fed on grilled oily fish and chicken and salad and rice, and trained to run from the age of 6, and Usain Bolt had been locked in a room from the same age  with only an X-Box and a constant supply of HobNobs and McDonalds as his only sustenance, I'll guarantee you I'd beat him over 100m when I was 50 and he was 30.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 02, 2019, 02:04:28 AM
I've just had a vision of Cummings and Johnson talking.

Cummings is Gen. Jack D. Ripper from Dr Strangelove. Pouring out his batshit ideas with the utter certainty of the deranged. Johnson is Mandrake. Upper class British twit,  terrified and not having a clue what it means but unable to control him.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DN1KvgtEnABY&ved=2ahUKEwix7PmE-LDkAhUaURUIHTaBCuEQwqsBMAB6BAgGEAU&usg=AOvVaw1wKDY5QVRsaxPLjjmzBrDc
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 02, 2019, 06:48:45 AM
I do feel all this talk from Johnson's camp his week of deselection and division a little baffling.  Almost like he is losing control.  Granted he may have a point in back his ideas or leave, but hes got himself to PM and now may well lose it.

If it heads for an election it's a huge gamble.  Maybe hes right and he'll walk it and get what he wants, but I'm sceptical.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 02, 2019, 01:54:32 PM
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 02, 2019, 03:20:34 PM
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?

I would have liked to have seen David Milliband win when he ran against Ed but I realise that doesnt answer your question (sorry)

Steve Miller Band would do a better job that Johnson as well (by the by)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 02, 2019, 03:32:13 PM
Research has been done on Johnson’s retweets. I believe that at least 70% of them come from a US bot farm which churns out support for Trump. So Johnson has few real supporters for his tweets. Like he has few supporters for this catastrophic action he’s intent on pursuing.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 02, 2019, 04:04:50 PM
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?

I would have liked to have seen David Milliband win when he ran against Ed but I realise that doesnt answer your question (sorry)

Steve Miller Band would do a better job that Johnson as well (by the by)

Maybe Grandad Glenn would have put people in the mood to vote for him.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 02, 2019, 04:15:35 PM
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?

I would have liked to have seen David Milliband win when he ran against Ed but I realise that doesnt answer your question (sorry)

Steve Miller Band would do a better job that Johnson as well (by the by)
My feelings were a while back DW that if May or Corbyn couldn't support a new vote then they would have to be replaced. Different circumstances now though.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 03, 2019, 02:23:20 PM
johnson makes a stand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 03, 2019, 02:59:46 PM
I study the psychology of business, and from this standpoint, it is fascinating to observe politicians’ behaviour, particularly when distinguishing between effective and ineffective leadership styles.

Cocky, bumbling and driven by ego – gaze upon Boris Johnson’s leadership ‘skills’ and weep for Britain

Chantal Gautier -  senior lecturer in business psychology at the University of Westminster.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 03, 2019, 03:10:19 PM
Worth posting every couple of months.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/boris-johnson-single-market-brexit-campaign-customs-union-2018-1?international=true&r=US (https://www.businessinsider.nl/boris-johnson-single-market-brexit-campaign-customs-union-2018-1?international=true&r=US)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on September 03, 2019, 03:15:45 PM
One amazing transformation of language to take note of.

Then, trade freely = single market (i.e. free trade, with overlapping global free trade agreements)
Now, trade freely = WTO rules (i.e. non free trade, no agreements)

You're been duped people.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on September 03, 2019, 04:46:13 PM
Could labour install a new leader in time for a snap election?

If they do, they win
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 03, 2019, 05:14:33 PM
Anyone want to point out an example of a country anywhere in the world that trades only on WTO rules?

Just one will do.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on September 03, 2019, 11:43:17 PM
Johnson broke a record today - he lost his first Parliamentary vote quicker than any PM in modern history

Bonus point for the last year it happened.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on September 04, 2019, 12:02:31 AM
Lesotho almost
Trade organisations
   WTO, SACU, SADC

and a question to could we rejoin EFTA ?  non  EEA ... you lot know a lot more than me
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 04, 2019, 12:42:02 AM
Apparently there's 3.

Somalia
South Sudan
East Timor.

And STILL, there's useful idiots insisting that we could have struck a better deal if only our nasty, nasty, nasty MPs handy stopped poor Boris from using the possibility of us joining this three countries as a bargaining ploy.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: GazLaz on September 04, 2019, 05:44:58 AM
Johnson broke a record today - he lost his first Parliamentary vote quicker than any PM in modern history

Bonus point for the last year it happened.

1795
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 04, 2019, 07:24:17 AM
.... and so the (Chess) pieces are back in the bag till today

WHEN will "they" - ALL of them stop playing chess and trying to outmanouevre (spelling) each other ffs - we all have lives to get on with, Beer to but , football to watch and YES paint to watch dry

Ever since the Referendum we have had this long procession of twists and turns which seem to be breeding more and more hostile actions and reactions and still we appear to be nowhere near delivering what we set out to do

Surely we have reached and passed the point at which we should get all the MPs to agree that we are going nowhere any more - and we should have a 3rd Referendum (1975 was the first) with some kind of deal on in and a Remain on it

Mays deal is widely trumpeted as "the best Deal available" by her and many others and that seems to be the EUs stance as well. So stick that on a Referendum paper and add just one other option - Remain

Then we will clearly see what the will of the British people IS right now this minute and I for one would respect the result if it came down Leave or Remain. At least it would finish the thing (although I have to concede it would not be be ended once and for all)

I know some people will disagree with this but it is something I envisaged would happen and I wrote a piece on here when the whole b****t mess first kicked off which I am still trying to find - which said the vote was too devisive and we would end with the Politicians "bottling it" and having another vote anyway

So I say - lets do it now
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 04, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
No sorry DW we can't have that, to accept May's deal now would mean that she was sidelined for nothing and the blame would be at the feet of the ERG and they are the saviours of their own world.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 05, 2019, 12:37:31 PM
fmd what next Dilyn! the rescue dog has walked out on boris and Carrie and said: ''I'm Welsh and I have to think of the Union and put that before my new family"
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 05, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
Johnson ( predictably) lies (yet) again :

We checked Boris Johnson's claim that a Brexit extension will cost £1bn a month
– and yes, it's wrong

While not necessarily wrong to compare the potential cost of an extension to a no-deal exit, it’s misleading to do so given that the government’s stated intent is still to leave with a deal.

And if you’re going to make such a comparison, then you do need to actually compare the costs of both things – you need to factor in the fact that no deal itself will have both direct costs, and a broader economic impact.

 Most studies predict that the negative economic effects of leaving the EU will exceed the benefits of not having to pay the EU membership fee.

Tom Phillips is editor of Full Fact, the UK's independent fact checking charity
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 05, 2019, 05:01:27 PM
NEW:
 Boris Johnson having to scrap his weekend with the Queen in Balmoral to handle the Brexit crisis

Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell Retweeted Tom Newton Dunn

Can’t blame him. Won’t be fun having Philip ask him why he lied to Her Maj about the reasons for prorogation
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on September 05, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Apparently he’d rather be dead in a ditch than go to the EU for another extension
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 05, 2019, 07:30:32 PM
I assume his visit to Wakefield today was paid for by the Tory party rather than thee and me through our taxes. He was clearly electioneering and that visit had the square root of f**k all to do with his job (sic) of PM.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 05, 2019, 09:29:21 PM
Welcome to Yorkshire Boris...

#pleaseleavemytown

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1169664123745054727

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 05, 2019, 09:34:58 PM
You should be in Brussels negotiating
We are negotiating
No you are not, you're in Morley -  in Leeds!

https://twitter.com/ericabuist/status/1169688236777754625
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 06, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
NEW:
 Boris Johnson having to scrap his weekend with the Queen in Balmoral to handle the Brexit crisis

Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell Retweeted Tom Newton Dunn

Can’t blame him. Won’t be fun having Philip ask him why he lied to Her Maj about the reasons for prorogation


As long as DOE does not offer him a lift to nearby Pub
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 06, 2019, 07:03:06 AM
Apparently he’d rather be dead in a ditch than go to the EU for another extension

See above
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 06, 2019, 07:56:53 AM
''And Mr Johnson will use his visit to Scotland to announce an additional £51.4m for Scottish farmers over the next two years.

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson says the extra funding would "correct an injustice", but also help Scottish farmers "secure their future"

(and possibly save my sorry arse)

But Ian Blackford, the SNP leader at Westminster, insisted the money should have been given to farmers and crofters in Scotland in 2016.

"Three years too late the case is coming to Scotland," he said''


"I find it hard to comprehend why anyone would wish to break apart a successful country, tear the cross of St Andrew out of the Union Flag and draw an international frontier across our island," he writes''

Just have a long look in the @@@@ing mirror

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49599334
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 06, 2019, 09:15:54 AM
just the usual sh1te from de Pfeffel Johnson

Robert Peston‏ Verified account @Peston 15h15 hours ago

"I'd rather be dead in a ditch" says @BorisJohnson when asked whether he would obey likely new law that would force him to ask for Brexit delay

what happened to the 'lying down in front of the bulldozers if they expand Heathrow ?

nothing but lying bluster
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 06, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
Loving the man from Morley telling Boris he should be in Brussels negotiating.

He’s right. He should be.

But he’s not because
 a) he hasn’t got a deal and
 b) he’s on the election trail before an election.

It’s ALL about Boris saving Boris
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 06, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
Today in Scotland.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14427/production/_108638928_056288138.jpg)

One is a fat, slow-witted creature that has to be smacked and poked to go in the right direction and produces vast amounts of bullshit on a daily basis.

And the other is a bull.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 06, 2019, 01:25:03 PM
Today in Scotland.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14427/production/_108638928_056288138.jpg)

One is a fat, slow-witted creature that has to be smacked and poked to go in the right direction and produces vast amounts of bullshit on a daily basis.

And the other is a bull.

There's a lot of bull in that photo.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 06, 2019, 01:32:48 PM
You really have to wonder about his PR people don't you. It's like The Thick of It come to life.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DaZ6i6zZQIU4&ved=2ahUKEwiCyNf7mbzkAhUkQRUIHdKvBEIQwqsBMAB6BAgGEAU&usg=AOvVaw0rLw8lOF60OeKZq6YLZOUi
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 06, 2019, 01:33:22 PM
''And Mr Johnson will use his visit to Scotland to announce an additional £51.4m for Scottish farmers over the next two years.

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson says the extra funding would "correct an injustice", but also help Scottish farmers "secure their future"

(and possibly save my sorry arse)

But Ian Blackford, the SNP leader at Westminster, insisted the money should have been given to farmers and crofters in Scotland in 2016.

"Three years too late the case is coming to Scotland," he said''


"I find it hard to comprehend why anyone would wish to break apart a successful country, tear the cross of St Andrew out of the Union Flag and draw an international frontier across our island," he writes''

Just have a long look in the @@@@ing mirror

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49599334


The announcement of £350mill a week extra for the NHS is still conspicuous by its absence though.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 06, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
The Bus is back on the road after a bit of spraying though
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DRFCSouth on September 06, 2019, 03:46:20 PM
Let’s hand the £350 million to those that take no responsibility in life for their actions. And punish those that have grafted their backsides off to get where they are.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on September 06, 2019, 04:00:42 PM
Today in Scotland.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14427/production/_108638928_056288138.jpg)

One is a fat, slow-witted creature that has to be smacked and poked to go in the right direction and produces vast amounts of bullshit on a daily basis.

And the other is a bull.

and they are both very "horny"   Sire

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/21/boris-johnson-fathered-child-affair   
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on September 06, 2019, 10:13:54 PM
😀😀
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 06, 2019, 11:08:26 PM
he appears to be getting the most out of his SPAD!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/sep/06/nicola-jennings-on-boris-johnsons-brexit-deadline-cartoon
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on September 07, 2019, 07:38:03 AM
Sidney, would you like to explain what this SPAD is because I've seen it mentioned twice in the last couple of days and the comments make no sense for those of us (me if I'm the only one) who haven't a clue what it is.
And whilst I'm on it, people on here throw their own made up acronyms around expecting people to know what they mean... FFS! (I expect everyone will understand that one) pack it in!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 07, 2019, 08:27:40 AM
Spad, short for special advisor, or when I use it in fun, spade.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 07, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
boris bounces back and it's smiles all around.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49618242
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 07, 2019, 10:58:34 PM
This is a superb dissection of the lies and deception at the heart of Johnson's position.

Anyone who really cares about this country has to read and digest this. This is NOT normal and not acceptable.

We'll pull back from this culture of just "meh" when politicians lie, but only when voters start to properly care about it and punish it.

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/09/06/week-in-review-clinging-to-reality-under-a-post-truth-govern
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 08, 2019, 09:17:17 AM
    It's not surprising then that if the champion of their cause cannot iterate what he wants and therefore is unable to define what we will get that they cannot do that either.
    What is surprising is that there are those in the brexit fan club that still support such a flaky team a team that cannot define it's goals nor it's strategy to get there.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: idler on September 08, 2019, 09:51:31 AM
This is a superb dissection of the lies and deception at the heart of Johnson's position.

Anyone who really cares about this country has to read and digest this. This is NOT normal and not acceptable.

We'll pull back from this culture of just "meh" when politicians lie, but only when voters start to properly care about it and punish it.

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/09/06/week-in-review-clinging-to-reality-under-a-post-truth-govern
An excellent but frightening article. A bleak future for politics.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 09, 2019, 08:42:45 AM
Things you thought you'd never have to read.

The Times this weekend. An unnamed Cabinet Minister says, "The PM has assured me he will abide by the rule of law."

Well THAT'S awfully good of him, int it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 10, 2019, 04:28:06 PM
this could be interesting :

Dominic Grieve has told Parliament he has information from inside Government, that Boris Johnson misled the Queen about his reasons for requesting the prorogation of Parliament.

very interesting indeed
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 11, 2019, 01:31:57 PM
Sounds like he was correct!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 11, 2019, 01:54:43 PM
Looks like Farrago has been exploring the backchannels of Boris to sell Donny down the river:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-slapped-down-no10-20006667

Good job for the "Fit and Proper persons rule" eh!

Football rules kick in to save the day...who would have thought it!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 11, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
It is looking like the hiring of cummings was not the cunning plan it was thought to be though there is still a way to go yet. I would love to see boris smacked across the mouth with a kipper in the upcoming weeks.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
Things you thought you'd never have to read.

The Times this weekend. An unnamed Cabinet Minister says, "The PM has assured me he will abide by the rule of law."

Well THAT'S awfully good of him, int it?

I'm waiting for, the PM to assure us that he will do all these other things that we just take for granted as civilised, honest people.

He assures us that he'll wipe his arse after a shite.

He assures us he'll keep his cock in his trousers in public.

He assures us he'll not lie to the Queen.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 11, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
Have only just seen this, my people are getting tetchy: PM aide Dominic Cummings blames 'rich Remainers' in Brexit snap at TV reporter

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pm-aide-dominic-cummings-blames-19928675

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 11, 2019, 06:48:08 PM
I see Cummings told that reporter to "Get out of London and stop talking to rich Remainers" as he left his £1.65m London house.

And this is his father-in-law's little pied-a-terre.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulbernalUK/status/1171481967163932678

Still, I'm sure Cummings is on the side of the little man against the Elite, eh?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 12, 2019, 07:05:28 AM
Well knock me down with a kipper.

''Chief whip Mark Spencer has now written to some of them, confirming that they are entitled to appeal the decision – and hinting that future loyalty to the government could boost their cause.

One of the 21 MPs said: “It was one of the most self-unaware letters I’ve received in some time. From people who are serially disloyal and decimated their own minority government. I don’t want it back ...

“All it did in my local community was confirm that the Conservative party is now led by a narrow sect who wouldn’t be out of place in the Muppet version of the Handmaiden’s tale. It’s like being asked by its captain if you want to get back on the Titanic.”''
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 12, 2019, 08:05:40 AM
''Farage offered to help the embattled prime minister secure a majority at a snap general election, on the proviso he dropped plans to renegotiate the Brexit withdrawal agreement and the backstop arrangement on the Northern Irish border.

He said the prime minister should accept he needed the Brexit party’s help to take out key Labour seats but vowed to be his “deadliest enemy” if he renegotiated with Brussels and abandoned what he called a “clean” no-deal departure from the EU.

A bitter war of words quickly escalated between the two camps, with No 10 curtly rebuffing his proposal.

A spokesperson said: “The PM will not be doing a deal with Nigel Farage.”

A senior Tory source added: “Neither Nigel Farage nor Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and they should never be allowed anywhere near government.”

Banks co-founded the Leave.Eu campaign group and is a long-standing political ally of Farage, but Farage has said he is not a donor to the Brexit party''

I repeat, A spokesman said “The PM will not be doing a deal with Nigel Farage.”

That is until he changes his mind of course!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 13, 2019, 01:13:19 PM
Not everyone in Doncaster is delighted to see Johnson then:

'People have died because of austerity and you have the cheek to come here'

'You are telling fairy stories'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-woman-brexit-video-austerity-doncaster-cheek-visit-public-a9103906.html

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobbymax on September 13, 2019, 01:47:27 PM
Wish I'd be in town. I'd have told the serial liar a few home truths!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Hounslowrover on September 13, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
I see today he's denying he said the police 'were spaffing money up the wall', even though its been recorded on LBC.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: jucyberry on September 13, 2019, 05:05:06 PM
He is working from Agent Orange's play book...
1, open mouth..

2, insert foot..

3, remove and deny all knowledge of step 1..

What a wonderful clone President Evil's little Mini me is.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 13, 2019, 05:17:56 PM
At least our cousins in Rotherham have had the stones to call him what he is.

https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,pm-boris-johnson-lies-over-spaffing-cse-money-up-the-wall-comment_33439.htm

f**king unbelievable. He's such an out of control liar, he lies about things that are 100%, undeniably on the record.

Does anyone on the Right give a shite about this anymore?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 13, 2019, 05:58:09 PM
Well this is telling int it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49690618

Cameron says Johnson and Gove behaved appallingly over Brexit.

Not because of the damage they are doing to the country. Because they caused damage to the Tory party.

Like I've been saying for years, this is all that Brexit has ever been about. It's a civil war in the Tory party and the rest of us are being f**ked over by it.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 13, 2019, 06:04:28 PM
And a 'lively' welcome in Stocksbridge

https://twitter.com/SoniaMGreaves1/status/1172508948794093572
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 13, 2019, 07:59:18 PM
Absolutely non-stop lying.

The Tories have put out a FB and today with what looks like a snapshot of a BBC webpage headline. But they've faked it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49690325

It is absolutely non-stop. This is not normal or acceptable.

Here's a challenge. See if you can find a day when Johnson and the Tories DON'T tell a blatant lie.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 13, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
Got to stop picking on the poor conservatives that can't remember, can't afford speech writers, fact checkers or proctologists.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on September 13, 2019, 08:37:11 PM
Bst you keep going on and on about the tort party yet the Labour Party is in a worse place, you gov have them well behind in the polls or did last time I saw, all threw the brexit process all Corbyn wanted was a election he didn’t give a shit if we stayed or leave, all the anti Semitism, the unions want one thing half the others want something else, rather than keep preaching to others that already agree with you why don’t you try get the Labour Party to sort itself out? Genuine question not looking to argue by the way
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 13, 2019, 08:48:08 PM
It's not about the state of parties in the polls or internal problems. This is FAR more important. It's about systematic, shameless lying and whether we care about it.

That FB post by the Tories is on a different level to anything I've ever seen a major UK party do before. Not just the lie. The fact that they have made up a BBC headline and passed it off as real.

Let that become accepted and we're f**ked.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on September 13, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
Everything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 13, 2019, 08:55:02 PM
bpool, BST finds it easier to condemn his opposition than say owt good about who he supports, and to be honest, that is quite understandable under the circumstances. You and I would be exactly the same in his position. I think they call it grown-up politics, although in truth it is about as grown-up as a Donny Rovers fan saying he supports Rovers because Rotherham are shit!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 13, 2019, 08:57:51 PM
Everything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?

Maybe if you detailed some of your gripes about the labour party you would be taken seriously bp?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on September 13, 2019, 08:58:44 PM
I think you would have a point if the Labour Party was in order but it’s clearly not sort out your own party first then rip the tories a new one
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on September 13, 2019, 09:01:48 PM
Everything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?

Maybe if you detailed some of your gripes about the labour party you would be taken seriously bp?
I just have done and let’s be honest sydney do you honesty think it bothers me if you take me seriously mate all you do is read your left leaning papers then ridicule anyone who says anything from a right leaning one, Corbyn misleads people when on a train for his own political reasons yet your not outraged? Sides with putin and basically calls out secret service liars and your not outraged? There is 2 gripes there for you
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 13, 2019, 09:02:02 PM
Maybe if you explained why you single out just Tory party gripes and fail to comment on Labour party ones YOU would be taken more seriously Syderney?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 13, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
Everything the tories do is on a different level or far worse than labour do mate, is that lie worse than anti semitism? Worse than Blair taking us into a illegal war? Pretty much side with putin instead of believe our own security services? Yes what your saying is right it’s not good to lie but which is worse? Where is labour outrage to them things I mention?

Maybe if you detailed some of your gripes about the labour party you would be taken seriously bp?
I just have done and let’s be honest sydney do you honesty think it bothers me if you take me seriously mate all you do is read your left leaning papers then ridicule anyone who says anything from a right leaning one, Corbyn misleads people when on a train for his own political reasons yet your not outraged? Sides with putin and basically calls out secret service liars and your not outraged? There is 2 gripes there for you

Is that all you have bp you're worse than bb at times
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 13, 2019, 09:14:25 PM
Bpool

You've obviously never read the criticisms I've had about Corbyn. You've also obviously never read me saying that I left the Labour party because of Blair

Nope. You ignore the issue we are talking about and then accuse other people of being as blasé about truth as you appear to be.

I'll say again. The issue here is about whether people actually care when politicians systematically and knowingly lie to them on a daily basis. Historically, politicians do not do this. Because getting caught blatantly and unequivocally lying used to be a career ender. It appears that no one actually gives a f**k about that anymore.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 13, 2019, 09:14:46 PM
It seems to me Syderney that it's more a case of is that all you've got to say.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Tarkovsky_Mikluzhkin on September 14, 2019, 07:56:11 AM
"Can anyone think of a day when Boris hasn't told a total blatant lie?"

"So what if he has! The other lots PM from the last millennium lied, why don't you talk about that hypocrites"

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 08:06:07 AM
"No 10 plays down hopes of Brexit breakthrough"

This could well be johnson's political epitaph:

''However the government has no plans to publish any detailed written proposals as the prime minister seeks to avoid Theresa May’s fate of having her carefully constructed compromise shot down publicly by party colleagues''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/13/no-10-plays-down-hopes-of-brexit-breakthrough
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 14, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
Why on earth does anyone try and defend Johnson, it baffles me, it really does.

Anyone who knows him well says he is a lier. His wives, his family, his ex-bosses who sacked him for lying and now Cameron.

Do you think he is telling the truth to you? Do you really think he is going to die in a ditch so that he can deliver Brexit by 31st October for you? Boy have you got a shock coming. He is lying to you as well.

He can't leave with No Deal unless he wants to go to prison - and he's not going to prison for you.
He can't leave with a Deal because he has prorogued parliament and there is no time to pass the necessary legislation for a deal.

Of course any deal he does get will either be based on a Customs Union or split the UK - two things he has always said he would never support.

Why on earth does anyone still have faith in Boris Johnson?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Tarkovsky_Mikluzhkin on September 14, 2019, 09:06:38 AM
Wilts,

Boris does have an out left. Come out of No. 10 on the 1st of November and say we have left the EU just like he promised.

You might not believe him, I might not believe him, no one else believes him, The EU says it's not true and Boris cant provide any evidence that we've left...  but you know what, They all lie so who cares.

For instance in the local elections here in 1987 the Libdem candidate had a campaign poster about doctors and the "doctor" was just an actor dressed up! That's almost the same as lying about the most important political change in my entire lifetime isnt it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Hounslowrover on September 14, 2019, 09:14:28 AM
Boris tells lies, no doubt about it, yet is not pulled up about it. What do you think would happen if Corbyn told a lie, would the press ignore it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 09:18:21 AM
I think people have faith in him because they believe he is the last man standing who insists on carrying out a democratic vote.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 09:23:33 AM
Boris tells lies, no doubt about it, yet is not pulled up about it. What do you think would happen if Corbyn told a lie, would the press ignore it?

What do you mean he's not pulled up about it! Have you seen the news lately?

If Corbyn lied the press would treat him exactly the same as Boris Johnson, but the likes of Wilts would ignore it!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 14, 2019, 09:24:04 AM
Well there you go it does seem as though Johnson will be keeping his promise to invest £million's in Yorkshire. By moving 10 000 of the countries criminals here in a new 'mega prison'.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prison-jail-new-york-build-boris-johnson-a9103961.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 14, 2019, 09:34:33 AM
Boris tells lies, no doubt about it, yet is not pulled up about it. What do you think would happen if Corbyn told a lie, would the press ignore it?

What do you mean he's not pulled up about it! Have you seen the news lately?

If Corbyn lied the press would treat him exactly the same as Boris Johnson, but the likes of Wilts would ignore it!

Clearly you speak as someone with experience of ignoring a lying politican and seem to think everyone behaves like you.

I haven't ignored anything. I have commented on many topics about Corbyn where there have been different opinions, mostly with BST, one as recently as this week.

You seem therefore to have said something about me that is untrue. I will leave it to the rest of the forum to judge if that means you are a lier.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 09:47:23 AM
The problem there Wilts is if we have a forum count on who is right, would that settle the issue? With your track record, you'd want another count if you were to lose!

Besides that, why do you insist on shooting the messenger? You asked the question "Why on earth does anyone still have faith in Boris Johnson?" I merely gave my opinion on why they did! Like I've said many times on this debate, what I personally think isn't important.

Regarding me being a liar, only time will tell. I'll watch out for your lack of response the next time a labour MP lies.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on September 14, 2019, 10:44:32 AM
Does anyone honestly have any faith in any politician? I certainly dont
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
Well there you go it does seem as though Johnson will be keeping his promise to invest £million's in Yorkshire. By moving 10 000 of the countries criminals here in a new 'mega prison'.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prison-jail-new-york-build-boris-johnson-a9103961.html

Funny he didn't mention it on his stroll through Marketplace yesterday.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 12:15:59 PM
Now this is going too far it's just taking the piss, I mean who but a few boris clingons is going to believe it?

   Boris Johnson is planning to force a new Brexit deal through parliament in just 10 days — including holding late-night and weekend sittings — in a further sign of Downing Street’s determination to negotiate an orderly exit from the EU.

According to Number 10 officials, Mr Johnson’s team has drawn up detailed plans under which the prime minister would secure a deal with the EU at a Brussels summit on October 17-18, before pushing the new withdrawal deal through parliament at breakneck speed.

https://www.ft.com/content/7517abfa-d638-11e9-8367-807ebd53ab77
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 14, 2019, 01:25:11 PM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
What a perfect summary of what boris means to most people
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
What a perfect summary of what boris means to most people

How do you know? Have you counted them?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 14, 2019, 05:35:38 PM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656

Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 06:27:44 PM
Part of it was recorded in Donny marketplace Steve
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 14, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656

Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.

So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 14, 2019, 07:08:08 PM
Christ, I'd forgotten about this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1143504207640715265?lang=en

There should be big f**k off projector, beaming this onto the White Cliffs of Dover 24/7, with a loudhailer reminding the rest of the world that even the greatest nations on earth can lose their marbles and elect as leader,someone who is such a compulsive liar, he even has to change his mind about his lies, half way through his lies, to make his lies even more f**king ludicrous.

Just imagine if this were a left wing Labour PM. So utterly wedded to lying that he even f**king lies about what he does in his spare time. There'd be a military coup.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 07:17:19 PM
Highlights! That depends what side you're on! Is it supposed to be  'highlights' of Boris's Doncaster visit? If it is they've had a mix-up in the cutting room because the first clip was on the telly the other week somewhere else!

........And after all that, in the name of unbiased reporting, about a dozen Boris opponents are 'randomly' filmed venting their spleen!

Is that the best they can do? I'd call it lefty lowlights.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 07:20:43 PM
boris has signed up to do a whole series of Would I lie to You, plays all the parts, writes the scripts and fxcks the dog too.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 07:23:19 PM
boris has signed up to do a whole series of Would I lie to You, plays all the parts, writes the scripts and fxcks the dog too.

Is that true?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
I lied about the dog
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 14, 2019, 07:28:45 PM
Part of it was recorded in Donny marketplace Steve

He's clutching a straws. :laugh:

The "please leave my town" guy is my fave. Isn't he in Morley or Wakefield?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 07:32:22 PM
I lied about the dog

Well, stop f**king lying then!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 07:36:36 PM
I got a touch of borismylietis from some fish I bought in the marketplace yesterday
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 14, 2019, 07:48:19 PM
I shouldn't let it put you off fish though, Just avoid the plaice you got it from last time. Get it from Tesco in future, it's good for the brain, and every little helps.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 14, 2019, 08:13:57 PM
This was genius.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrMichaelSpicer/status/1143628255607566340
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 14, 2019, 08:24:59 PM
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on September 14, 2019, 08:32:32 PM
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.
Think it was the Topper !
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 14, 2019, 08:58:42 PM
I got a touch of borismylietis from some fish I bought in the marketplace yesterday

Maybe a red herring ! I will mullet over for a while
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 14, 2019, 10:02:38 PM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656

Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.

So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?

Wow; you've managed to find one snippet from a video that's supposed to be a compilation of highlights from Boris's trip up North, and is blatantly showing highlights from all over the country that we've all seen weeks ago.

You need to be more careful than that, or people might start thinking that you're somewhat blinkered and partisan.

Heaven forbid.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 14, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
Part of it was recorded in Donny marketplace Steve

He's clutching a straws. :laugh:

The "please leave my town" guy is my fave. Isn't he in Morley or Wakefield?

If that's aimed at me, Marie Osmond, exactly what straws am I supposed to be clutching at?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 14, 2019, 10:28:44 PM
That's about par for the course.

Ignore entirely the substantive and demonstrable examples of Johnson lying through his teeth all week.

Pick up on me (incorrectly, I admit) saying that all those clips were from Johnson's visits to northern towns.

I'll put my hand up. I got it wrong.

You can now feel free to address the substantive points any time you wish.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 15, 2019, 12:59:53 PM
Plan 57a

''Johnson to tell Juncker: ‘I won’t discuss Brexit extension beyond 31 October’
Prime minister warns Brussels that he will reject any offer of prolonged membership and renews his threat of no deal''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/15/johnson-to-defy-benn-bill-quit-31-october-come-what-may
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on September 16, 2019, 07:22:25 AM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656

Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.

So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?

I used to think Donny was in the North  then I moved to Newcastle and realised just how central Donny is, its Midlands 😂
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 16, 2019, 07:32:40 AM
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.
Think it was the Topper !

Missed your post Sproty, well remembered.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: idler on September 16, 2019, 07:40:34 AM
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.
Think it was the Topper !

Missed your post Sproty, well remembered.
Sure it wasn't Hansard?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 16, 2019, 10:11:55 AM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656

Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.

So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?

I used to think Donny was in the North  then I moved to Newcastle and realised just how central Donny is, its Midlands 😂

Didn't they say the North began at those towers in Sheffield that got knocked down?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 16, 2019, 11:49:40 AM
Anyone remember the Numbskulls a comic strip in the Whopper I think, there is a cutaway section showing the different compartments with a team for receiving and processing food etc, vision, etc this so much reminds me of that.
Think it was the Topper !

The Beezer.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 16, 2019, 12:06:28 PM
In case you missed the highlights of Johnson's trip Oop North.

https://mobile.twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1172602253649350656

Oop North? I didn't hear one person with a Northern accent. I think you've been duped there.

So that woman in Donny market wasn't local?

I used to think Donny was in the North  then I moved to Newcastle and realised just how central Donny is, its Midlands 😂

Didn't they say the North began at those towers in Sheffield that got knocked down?
I thought it was Watford Gap Servo
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: idler on September 16, 2019, 02:37:04 PM
No, that's where they think that civilisation ends when travelling north.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on September 16, 2019, 03:44:13 PM
Unbelievable scenes at the press conference with the Luxembourg PM today. Boris doesn't turn up because he's scared of protestors shouting over him again, so the Luxembourg PM decides to empty chair Boris and publicly call him a liar. He lays into Boris, saying the UK hasn't come up with any new ideas, and that the problems are all self-inflicted for a good few minutes. Also says the EU didn't do enough to counter the lies (he actually used the word "lies") of the Leave campaign. Wow.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 16, 2019, 03:52:15 PM
Drum roll tada, boris the unbelievable, records a clip so questions can't be asked.

''Johnson says UK and EU have 'just right amount of time” to get deal done by the end of October

Boris Johnson has recorded a clip for broadcasters. Sky News is playing it now.

He says he thinks there is still time for a deal to be done.

He says he thinks the UK and the EU have got “just the right amount of time” to get a deal done by the end of October.

If that is not possible, the UK will leave by 31 October''
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 16, 2019, 04:01:53 PM
Unbelievable scenes at the press conference with the Luxembourg PM today. Boris doesn't turn up because he's scared of protestors shouting over him again, so the Luxembourg PM decides to empty chair Boris and publicly call him a liar. He lays into Boris, saying the UK hasn't come up with any new ideas, and that the problems are all self-inflicted for a good few minutes. Also says the EU didn't do enough to counter the lies (he actually used the word "lies") of the Leave campaign. Wow.

And here it is:

Luxembourg PM's press conference - Snap verdict

That was extraordinary. Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, has just been humiliated by the leader of almost the tiniest country in the European Union.

We were expecting a joint, open-air press conference but, with a large crowd of anti-Brexit campaigners threatening to drown out Johnson, it was announced that the British PM was not going to take part (presumably because of the demonstration, although that has not officially been confirmed yet). Normally in these circumstances the polite thing to do is to re-arrange. But instead Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, just went ahead anyway, effectively “empty chairing” his guest. At one point he even gestured at the space where Johnson was supposed to be.

And then Xavier just let rip. People often wonder what EU leaders say or think about Johnson in private. Well, now we know. The leave campaign was a pack of lies, Johnson’s talk of progress in the Brexit talk is unfounded, the UK still has not come up with any ideas about an alternative to the backstop. On and on he went, with particular emphasis on the point that the UK, not the EU, was to blame for the crisis. It was a “nightmare” for EU citizens, said Bettel. At several points he was loudly applauded by the protesters, because they felt he was articulating their anger.

Yesterday Johnson depicted himself as the Incredible Hulk. As the Telegraph’s Michael Deacon suggests, the reality could not be more different.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 16, 2019, 04:29:36 PM
Meanwhile on the planet zog where the Tele is based

''Live
Brexit latest news: Boris Johnson walks into ambush as Luxembourg's PM holds press conference next to empty podium''
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 16, 2019, 09:13:15 PM
Johnson's nothing like The Hulk.

For a start The Hulk's green, not yellow.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on September 16, 2019, 09:27:22 PM
Do you not think that shows the Luxembourg pm up not boris? What would be the point in it being outside and people just shouting abuse? If the Luxembourg pm had gone To a leave area do you think boris would have done the same or just had it inside?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 16, 2019, 09:41:42 PM
Do you not think that shows the Luxembourg pm up not boris? What would be the point in it being outside and people just shouting abuse? If the Luxembourg pm had gone To a leave area do you think boris would have done the same or just had it inside?

Presumably Boris would have chickened out just like this time. He's got form, after all.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 16, 2019, 09:46:06 PM
All the news broadcasts I've seen are suggesting the whole thing was a stitch up by the Luxembourg PM.

Insignificant little country. They've never forgiven us since we dicked them 9-0 at Wembley.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on September 16, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
All the news broadcasts I've seen are suggesting the whole thing was a stitch up by the Luxembourg PM.

Insignificant little country. They've never forgiven us since we dicked them 9-0 at Wembley.

If it was a stitch up Johnson walked right into it. If he was as clever as some like to think he is, he would have avoided the embarrassing situation or turned it to his favour; he did neither.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 17, 2019, 12:20:50 AM
Swings and roundabouts.

I saw one of Teresa May's SpAds on the TV a few months ago, crowing about how they'd stitched up Barnier when he visited Downing St last year.

They'd noted that Barnier was tall, and that he looked magisterial when he was speaking standing up behind a lectern. And of course, May looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong at the side of any other reasonably well-functioning human being. (The SpAd didn't say that last sentence, but everyone knows it to be true.)

So they arranged a Press Conference with Barnier and May sat in chairs round a fireside in No 10. And they deliberately gave Barnier a seat that was too low and too small for his frame. So he looked really uncomfortable all through the session.

The SpAd was pissing himself laughing at how clever they had been.

Which is great fun.

But...

Thing is, if you take pride as a nation in arseing about like that, you've kind of lost the moral high ground when someone else arses you around.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 17, 2019, 08:13:37 AM
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader?  You'd have crucified him.  What exactly in that position should he do?  Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.

Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also.  Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?

The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 17, 2019, 08:16:20 AM
How many would be happy for Boris to make an 'executive decision' to take the UK out of the EU with no-deal without involving parliament.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 17, 2019, 08:29:07 AM
How many would be happy for Boris to make an 'executive decision' to take the UK out of the EU with no-deal without involving parliament.

Sadly, based on media interviews and calls to programs like Jeremy Vine's, more than you might imagine!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 17, 2019, 10:27:34 AM
BFYP.

It's childish and it's stupid. But. We did kind of start it. And the people who did that to Barnier were on a documentary chortling about how clever they were.

Like I said, if you want the moral high ground, it's better to be morally unimpeachable yourself.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on September 17, 2019, 10:28:39 AM
And its indicative of the cesspit that is politics and media in the world at present
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 17, 2019, 11:48:32 AM
Alastair Campbell‏

Verified account @campbellclaret 9m9 minutes ago
 
talkRADIO

It is an insult to the whole of Europe and to the intelligence of U.K. citizens that Johnson talks of progress in negotiations when he has not put forward one single credible coherent plan around which to negotiate
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 17, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
Alastair Campbell‏

Verified account @campbellclaret 9m9 minutes ago
 
talkRADIO

It is an insult to the whole of Europe and to the intelligence of U.K. citizens that Johnson talks of progress in negotiations when he has not put forward one single credible coherent plan around which to negotiate

You might have a point FB, but seriously, Alastair Campbell? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Even the Labour Party have f*cked him off.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 17, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
Alastair Campbell‏

Verified account @campbellclaret 9m9 minutes ago
 
talkRADIO

It is an insult to the whole of Europe and to the intelligence of U.K. citizens that Johnson talks of progress in negotiations when he has not put forward one single credible coherent plan around which to negotiate

You might have a point FB, but seriously, Alastair Campbell? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Even the Labour Party have f*cked him off.

Sorry, but the bottom of the barrel is Dominic Cummings.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 17, 2019, 02:26:45 PM
whether you like Campbell or not , he's talking perfect sense over Brexit.
Glyn has managed to actually get down to the real dregs
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on September 17, 2019, 04:59:04 PM
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader?  You'd have crucified him.  What exactly in that position should he do?  Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.

Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also.  Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?

The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?

For someone who is not a fan of Johnson you do seem to jump to his defence rather readily.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on September 17, 2019, 05:06:41 PM
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: idler on September 17, 2019, 07:33:29 PM
I bet that a lot of people who meet Boris would get more sense out of an empty chair.
You can almost hear the wheels turning in his head as he bluffs through his answers.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 17, 2019, 10:15:38 PM
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t

Have you seen the latest? IDS has gone on about how we saved Luxembourg in the war and how they should be grateful in the Daily Splutter Mail, with the usual predictable online comments from all the gammons spluttering along with him.

The problem is, though, that it was the Americans that liberated Luxembourg.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on September 18, 2019, 09:38:02 AM
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t

Have you seen the latest? IDS has gone on about how we saved Luxembourg in the war and how they should be grateful in the Daily Splutter Mail, with the usual predictable online comments from all the gammons spluttering along with him.

The problem is, though, that it was the Americans that liberated Luxembourg.

Playing politics again, trying to appeal to the uneducated/right-wing readers of the Daily Fail.

Should all countries that were liberated during WWII owe the US/UK for the rest of time? IDS and the Government are beyond their depth and have pretty much admitted defeat at this point.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 18, 2019, 10:45:26 AM
Well, Johnson's obviously got the coppers on side with that promise of new money. One old git shouts Vote Boris and this copper instinctively gives the salute.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2019/9/18/2ee40109-6830-4cc1-bd59-6714da9352d4.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 18, 2019, 10:57:40 AM
'Old git'! You're not guilty of ageism are you Billy lad! The police are now Boris following Nazis en all!

A great example of 'grown-up' politics from a snowflake who never practices what he preaches.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 18, 2019, 11:15:08 AM
He's clearly old and he looks like a right git.

I'm not sure what your problem is BB.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 18, 2019, 11:17:12 AM
I haven't got a problem BST. I'm just pointing out the ones you have.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Pancho Regan on September 18, 2019, 11:23:27 AM
It was clearly a bit of a silly set up, designed to paint him in an even worse light than hes already in. Saying that though, when you’re as pugnacious and bullish as Johnson then you’ve got to expect some come back. I’ve no problem with him being made to look a t**t



The problem is, though, that it was the Americans that liberated Luxembourg.

The Americans?
I thought it was Tony Blackburn.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 18, 2019, 11:33:22 AM
This place used to be funny. Now it's just f**king stupid.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Pancho Regan on September 18, 2019, 11:52:02 AM
That's a reight 'Grumpy Owd Man' comment BST.

Has something put you in a bad mood?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 18, 2019, 11:55:55 AM
I'm all for fun BST, and I'd love the forum to go back to how it used to be. Sadly, precedence has now been set by the snowflakes, and because of your past support of them, I found your post was more contradictory than funny.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 18, 2019, 07:16:16 PM
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader?  You'd have crucified him.  What exactly in that position should he do?  Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.

Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also.  Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?

The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?

For someone who is not a fan of Johnson you do seem to jump to his defence rather readily.

All politicians deserve the right to be heard and even if you agree with them or not give them respect.

A good point made on that is it actually helps boris aswell play up to that narrative of the eu giving no care at all to the uk and happy to play games.  It doesnt help the politics does it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 18, 2019, 07:40:15 PM
Another day, another instinctive lie.

When he got harrassed by the bloke in a hospital today, he was accused of using a hospital as a media opportunity.

Johnson instinctively said there was no Press there. In front of TV cameras and photo journalists snapping away. And it turns out Downing Street had sent out a press piece telling the media he'd be there and inviting them to come.

It's a fascinating insight and it fits with so many other examples. When he's under pressure, he simply lies. Even when the lie is to stupid to possibly believe.

Not what I'd want from anyone in any position of authority.

Edit: Here it is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1174291989203959808

It's a tiny example, but f**k me, what mental processes make you say "there's no press here" in front of the press at a press event that you've organised?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 18, 2019, 08:13:00 PM
starting to even out do Trump , but he knows our corrupt right wing press will still present him as the hero , a great laugh , and loved by the plebs.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 18, 2019, 09:25:56 PM
Another day, another instinctive lie.

When he got harrassed by the bloke in a hospital today, he was accused of using a hospital as a media opportunity.

Johnson instinctively said there was no Press there. In front of TV cameras and photo journalists snapping away. And it turns out Downing Street had sent out a press piece telling the media he'd be there and inviting them to come.

It's a fascinating insight and it fits with so many other examples. When he's under pressure, he simply lies. Even when the lie is to stupid to possibly believe.

Not what I'd want from anyone in any position of authority.

Edit: Here it is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1174291989203959808

It's a tiny example, but f**k me, what mental processes make you say "there's no press here" in front of the press at a press event that you've organised?

I can't wait for the Autumn series of Have I Got News For You to start, they'll have a ball taking the piss out his pathetic lies every week. Even better if there's a General Election during the series' run!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 18, 2019, 10:13:51 PM
What? Are you talking about the right-wing biased BBC here?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 18, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
The point I would make (and I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson), what would you all have said if this had been him doing that to the Luxembourg leader?  You'd have crucified him.  What exactly in that position should he do?  Childish politics at play from the Luxembourg chap really.

Slightly amusing seeing some of the lefties heralding this guy also.  Because the policies of Luxembourg are so in line with the left's views aren't they?

The original point is, let them all be heard respectfully, that's not too much to ask is it?

For someone who is not a fan of Johnson you do seem to jump to his defence rather readily.

All politicians deserve the right to be heard and even if you agree with them or not give them respect.

A good point made on that is it actually helps boris aswell play up to that narrative of the eu giving no care at all to the uk and happy to play games.  It doesnt help the politics does it?

Tell me, how can anyone repect Johnson when he openly lies like he does?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 18, 2019, 11:14:33 PM
One thing I've never understood is what is an open lie, and why it is worse than an 'unopen' lie?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 19, 2019, 08:15:35 AM
Two weeks to come up with a Brexit plan c/w a Backstop for Ireland shouldn't be a problem for johnson after all he's been telling us and the EU that he already has one, unless he was lying of course.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 19, 2019, 08:26:23 AM
Well Merkel gave him 4 weeks and what he has he seemingly done so far?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 19, 2019, 08:28:00 AM
One thing I've never understood is what is an open lie, and why it is worse than an 'unopen' lie?

It would seem the education system failed you then  BB.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 19, 2019, 09:29:26 PM
Just a thought is Cummings being kept out of the limelight, haven't seen or heard of him for quite a few days, I think they must have put the choker on?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 19, 2019, 10:15:05 PM
Just a thought is Cummings being kept out of the limelight, haven't seen or heard of him for quite a few days, I think they must have put the choker on?

Locked the drinks cabinet, more like.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 19, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
No. He's just doing his Tasmanian Devil thing in the background.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/18/it-has-got-worse-boris-johnson-hamstrung-by-rift-with-sajid-javid?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 20, 2019, 06:54:41 AM
Or this (added: this article contains an explainer for how fb is used and how data can be analysed, v useful for non-users like me)

''Conservative Party targets over-45s with Facebook Brexit ads

In contrast, younger Facebook users are being shown ads by the party on issues such as policing and mental health.

Tory adverts, mostly seen by users over 45, criticise opposition leaders for wanting "to ignore our Brexit vote".

The Lib Dems and Labour both ran Brexit adverts, while Labour's also featured fox hunting and the environment.

In mid-September, the Conservative Party was running 691 adverts classed as active by Facebook, more than any other political party in the UK.

Many of the ads are identical, or minor variations on a theme, run multiple times.

The adverts have been viewed between half a million and 2.6 million times in total.

A Conservative Party official said many ads were no longer active, even though they appeared to be so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49727121

Added:''In addition to the adverts funded by the central Conservative Party, some local Conservative associations have paid for and published ads accusing opposition leaders of "plotting" against Brexit.

These are being shown to older Facebook users at least 88% of the time, and mostly to men''

What the tories are agist and sexist?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 22, 2019, 02:12:53 PM
Looking at probability and Johnson's character do you think he would have bent the rules to do this for a friend?

''Boris Johnson urged to justify 'awarding public funds to close friend'

PM allegedly gave money and access to trade missions to US entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri while mayor''

25K + a possible further 100K, nice of you can get it, I'll bet that would have come in handy when you made the decision to go solo HA.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/22/boris-johnson-urged-to-justify-awarding-public-funds-to-close-friend-jennifer-arcuri




Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 22, 2019, 03:43:15 PM
Looking at probability and Johnson's character do you think he would have bent the rules to do this for a friend?

''Boris Johnson urged to justify 'awarding public funds to close friend'

PM allegedly gave money and access to trade missions to US entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri while mayor''

25K + a possible further 100K, nice of you can get it, I'll bet that would have come in handy when you made the decision to go solo HA.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/22/boris-johnson-urged-to-justify-awarding-public-funds-to-close-friend-jennifer-arcuri






Is it just me that thinks he's spent public money just to get inside her knickers?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 22, 2019, 04:28:58 PM
Just noticed this. Alongside the Supreme Court making it's judgement on prorogation this week and Johnson hinting he will ignore the decision/prorogue parliament again if he looses, a new court case is being started in the Scottish Courts that will give the courts the authority to ask the EU for an extension if Johnson refuses to do so.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1175762055053414401

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 22, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
I dont really like that wilts.  Just as I dont like the thought of johnson breaking the law.  A better stance is if johnson breaks the law he should be disposed of his position.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on September 22, 2019, 06:12:47 PM
Looking at probability and Johnson's character do you think he would have bent the rules to do this for a friend?

''Boris Johnson urged to justify 'awarding public funds to close friend'

PM allegedly gave money and access to trade missions to US entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri while mayor''

25K + a possible further 100K, nice of you can get it, I'll bet that would have come in handy when you made the decision to go solo HA.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/22/boris-johnson-urged-to-justify-awarding-public-funds-to-close-friend-jennifer-arcuri






Is it just me that thinks he's spent public money just to get inside her knickers?

Looking at that pic of her I reckon they'd be too tight for him.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 22, 2019, 06:21:26 PM
I dont really like that wilts.  Just as I dont like the thought of johnson breaking the law.  A better stance is if johnson breaks the law he should be disposed of his position.

I can't see it working myself BFYP. Then again I didn't think the courts would rule against his ability to prorogue so what do I know if current press reports are true.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 23, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
Can I say at this time I have always had great respect for Mr Murdoch and praise his efforts to bring the truth to the British public. :ohmy:

''Boris Johnson’s grants to ex-model Jennifer Arcuri ‘were an abuse of power

has been accused of abusing his political power and misusing public funds to assist an American businesswoman who accompanied him on official visits abroad.

The prime minister was urged to make a full disclosure yesterday over his relationship with Jennifer Arcuri, 34. Jeremy Corbyn said an investigation by The Sunday Times alleged an “abuse of power and misuse of public funds”. He criticised The Andrew Marr Show on BBC One for not pursuing the report because of what he called an establishment cover-up.
Ms Arcuri was said to have a chrome dancing pole in her flat in Shoreditch, east London, where the mayor was a visitor. She is thought to live in California now.
SUNDAY TIMES INSIGHT

Businesses owned by Ms Arcuri received more than £100,000 in public funds and she joined trade missions led by Mr Johnson, 55, when he was mayor of London, the newspaper reported. He was said to be a regular visitor to…'' paywall

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/boris-johnson-s-grants-to-ex-model-jennifer-arcuri-were-an-abuse-of-power-

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 23, 2019, 08:07:15 AM
Can I say at this time that ..........................  :rolleyes:

''HUSH HONEY Boris Johnson REFUSES to deny affair with ex-model businesswoman who he’s accused of helping win public cash

BORIS Johnson last night refused to deny an extramarital affair with a former model he may have helped win public cash.

The PM repeatedly declined to discuss allegations of a close friendship with former American businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri.''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9983258/boris-johnson-affair-jennifer-arcuri-businesswoman/

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 23, 2019, 11:10:30 AM
Looks like Rupe has turned against Boris. Perhaps Boris has been telling him his usual porkies without realising the consequences.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 23, 2019, 11:25:04 AM
''Boris Johnson has refused six times to address claims he failed to declare a potential conflict of interest in how money was given to a US businesswoman while he was London mayor.''

1-2-3-4-5-6 you're out
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 23, 2019, 11:58:50 AM
Surely a question he needs to answer?  Perhaps not surprising that theres allegations like this against him though, it feels like that's the kind of guy he is, though I always think they all are...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 07:56:31 AM
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''

Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 24, 2019, 09:28:49 AM
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''

Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html



Are there any boris fans on here?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 24, 2019, 10:03:54 AM
Certainly not DW !

I think an insult hurled at Geoff Boycott by the England Captain Tony Greig covers my opinion of Johnson

Greig said (something like) " he has the uncanny ability to be where the fast bowling isn't" 

And I think Johnson "has the ability to be where opportunities arise" and secondly " the uncanny ability to be where the truth isn't"
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''

Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html



Are there any boris fans on here?

Wasn't some saying that the election would be won on personalities and therefore JC would lose against johnson?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 01:31:17 PM
If johnson is forced out of office or even parliament over this I'm betting that there will be a me too movement for boris and that every dishonest thing he's done in any public position will be hung on the line for all to see.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 01:44:59 PM
On top of all this it would be nice to see him charged for contempt of court for his doorstop where he condemns the ruling.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on September 24, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''

Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html



Are there any boris fans on here?

Nah hes a w**ker, and I'm cente right
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 01:56:28 PM
johnson hasn't won anything yet since becoming PM, he's lost all his votes in parliament and now this, not a good looking report card, zero.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 24, 2019, 02:00:06 PM
johnson hasn't won anything yet since becoming PM, he's lost all his votes in parliament and now this, not a good looking report card, zero.

His promises of what he will deliver that he made during the leadership campaign are becoming increasingly hollow, even to those who believed in him.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 02:10:53 PM
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''

Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 24, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''

Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?

But we don't need a deal with the EU.  Johnson has just said, in a press statement to US and Canadian delegates, that a free trade agreement with the USA will allow us to sell the tariff free cauliflowers - yes, really!  Our economy is saved.   :silly:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 24, 2019, 02:25:51 PM
Worth a watch   :thumbsup:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0pTpwqkB48
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
It would appear the Cummings is doing a similar job for johnson as Giuliani is doing for trump  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 03:06:01 PM
Mr johnson, hope you had a successful trip to the US and a comfortable journey home, where would you like to start, with your relationship with Jennifer Acuri or the high court ruling you are a dishonest tw@t?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on September 24, 2019, 04:55:35 PM
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''

Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?

Now, we all know that Johnson did not prorogue parliament to prevent it from making his brexit more difficult but the judgement requiring that parliament resume does make it more difficult.  Anyone spot something blindingly obviously stupid about Johnson's comment.  And, by the way, he strongly disagrees with the ruling arrived at by the eleven most senior legal minds in the nation.  Gets more Trumpian by the minute.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 24, 2019, 05:09:52 PM
Getting ready to do a runner;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFOUx5uXkAAy6qj.jpg

These 2 men are thought to be ruthless and desperate. The public are advised to report any sightings in their communities.

Good job they booked return from New York with Thomas Cook, eh!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 24, 2019, 06:02:47 PM
''Brexit: Boris Johnson says supreme court ruling makes getting deal harder – live news''

Damn parliament and democracy getting in the way?

But we don't need a deal with the EU.  Johnson has just said, in a press statement to US and Canadian delegates, that a free trade agreement with the USA will allow us to sell the tariff free cauliflowers - yes, really!  Our economy is saved.   :silly:

That sounds wonderful. The only fly in the ointment is that the USA is the most protectionist country there is out there..! We're back to the unicorns and rainbows again!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: RedJ on September 24, 2019, 06:06:12 PM
Piss powered roflcopters being manufactured in their thousands in the industrial heartlands.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 24, 2019, 06:12:46 PM
''Boris Johnson faces new pressure to answer questions about his relationship with ex-model, 34, as it emerges she received a FOURTH taxpayer handout worth £12,447''

Not hearing a lot from our boris fans?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7495921/Squirming-Boris-dodges-SIX-questions-ex-model.html



Are there any boris fans on here?

Wasn't some saying that the election would be won on personalities and therefore JC would lose against johnson?

I still believe he will, the narrative and section of the electorate he is after in many cases care little about these things. If hes after the brexit narrative this helps him on that front.

Of course many are more bothered about policies than people but not all.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 07:58:01 PM
Just what johnson needed on top of the rest, an endorsement from trump

''Donald Trump: Boris Johnson is 'doing very well'

President Trump has expressed his support for UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, hours after the Supreme Court ruled that his decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful''

Like a drowning man being given an anvil

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 24, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
Can it get any worse for Johnson? Seems like it:

Labour will refuse to back a recess for the Tory conference unless he goes to Brussels and implements the Benn Brexit extension bid.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176546318912823302
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 24, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
''Boris Johnson says he "profoundly disagrees" with the judges' decision, but MPs will return on Wednesday.''

11 supreme court judges unanimously find that he is a lying #rsehole and surprise surprise he disagrees.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 25, 2019, 02:51:49 AM
''Jennifer Arcuri’s firm hosted a “tech v brains” summit in parliament that was booked by the Tory MP George Freeman, who backed Johnson in the Conservative leadership race and now serves as a minister in his government.

The development came as Len Duvall, the chair of the Greater London assembly oversight committee, wrote to Johnson requesting details and a timeline of all contact with Arcuri during his time in office, demanding a response within a fortnight.

Meanwhile, the Financial Times reported that Johnson’s successor as mayor, Sadiq Khan, has ordered an inquiry into the alleged conflict of interest, asking the London fire brigade general counsel, Kathryn Robinson, to report back on the issue''

What a shame the sides of the hole he dug seem to be collapsing in on him, just like at the beach, I've always had time for him, lovely man :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on September 25, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
This one goes out to Boris

https://youtu.be/AL8chWFuM-s
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on September 25, 2019, 09:17:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1176936614393720832?s=09

Absolutely unbelievable. Even for him.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 25, 2019, 09:27:22 PM
Yep he's finally lost it, given up on sanity, a first class cnut.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 25, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
Sky reckon he is about to suspend the HoC again;
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-prorogation-sky/government-planning-short-parliament-suspension-before-october-14-queens-speech-sky-idUKKBN1WA2LE?rpc=401&

He needs to be sectioned under the Mental Health Legislation....for his own good, and that of everybody else!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 25, 2019, 09:37:53 PM
Wonder if he will get that far Albie? According to the Guardian there are already Tory moves to depose him if he can't get a deal due to his conduct so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/one-nation-tories-admit-to-sense-of-doom-over-boris-johnsons-tactics
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 25, 2019, 09:44:05 PM
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a short prorogation prior to a Queen's Speech.

Of course, what he is doing by having a short prorogation is openly admitting that he lied when he said he needed a 5 week prorogation to prepare for a QS.

But I'm seeing that no one on that side of the argument actually gives a f**k anymore.

I wonder what it must feel like to passionately support a man who you KNOW is a constant, pathological liar. How little self-respect you need to have to be lied to repeatedly and STILL say, "Yep! You're the man for me."
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 25, 2019, 09:52:36 PM
This sounds ominous.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1176916919674445825

If Johnson can't get a deal, he will respect the Benn law (which requires him to write to Brussels to ask for A50 extension) AND we will leave on 31 Oct.

Only two possibilities there.

1) He's talking utter b*llocks, saying two mutually incompatible things will happen and assuming his supporters are so far past objective reality that they no longer care.

2) Cummings does have some plot cooked up to technically abide by the Benn law while still allowing us to crash out with no deal. Which would be rather troubling on a number of points.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 25, 2019, 09:58:23 PM
Yes BST, it would be OK if for that purpose and he had not shot his own foot off.

Maybe he is trying to double down on the Supreme Court finding to run his "people v parliament" punchline, or provoke the early GE with a VoC before he has agreed an extension.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on September 25, 2019, 10:08:08 PM
Yep he's finally lost it, given up on sanity, a first class cnut.


Quite the opposite Sydney. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says "humbug" to the memory of Jo Cox.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 25, 2019, 10:08:20 PM
I don't think the opposition forces which are growing by all accounts would take any chances whatsoever and give him the opportunity to crash out, they know absolutely that he cannot be trusted.

I wonder what other members of his family feel about him, his brother made it pretty obvious. that's my dad on telly, no that's my dad, no he's my dad ................. isn't that my ex-husband, no he's my ex-husband ...................
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 25, 2019, 10:11:04 PM
Yep he's finally lost it, given up on sanity, a first class cnut.


Quite the opposite Sydney. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says "humbug" to the memory of Jo Cox.

I've just seen that.

Jesus Christ, I never, ever thought I'd see such disgusting words pass the lips of a British PM.

That is utterly abominable.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 25, 2019, 10:39:06 PM
News media did not really look at what he was up to in New York.
Here are some nuggets from his Tech offering:
https://futurism.com/insane-quotes-boris-johnson-un-speech

Jesus!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 12:32:20 AM
Anyone see Peston tonight?

It's truly terrifying.

Johnson was interviewed. Asked about the SC ruling.

He insisted time and again that the SC had cancelled prorogation because of Brexit. He said Lady Hale clearly said that.

But...

She didn't.

She said that the reason prorogation was illegal was that there was no reason to have a 5 week prorogation for a Queen's Speech. Nothing else.

Peston tried pushing back on this.

Johnson repeatedly insisted that Hale had said the ruling was about Brexit.


Do you care? Do you worry about the truth being shredded like this?

Do you?

Care?

Or doesn't it matter, as long as your side wins?

If you REALLY don't care about truth as long as your side wins, come out and be big enough to admit it now.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: RoversAlias on September 26, 2019, 02:45:11 AM
Hit the nail on the head there BST.

Johnson's words tonight are reprehensible. A disgrace to the office of Prime Minister and, frankly, an insult to the notion of decency.

The low point in a shambolic saga that plumbs new depths time and again.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 26, 2019, 07:03:40 AM
Knock knock, who's there?

knock knock, who's there?

Knock knock, who's there?

knock knock, who's there?

Knock knock, who's there?

knock knock, who's there?

We're just making up your political coffin Mr johnson

US phone call raises further questions over grant to Boris Johnson’s friend

Government’s claim that it verified Jennifer Arcuri’s firm appears to be unravelling

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/unfit-for-office-mps-challenge-boris-johnson-public-money-jennifer-arcuri




Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 26, 2019, 07:42:00 AM
History won't be kind to these Tory MPs.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
I see Cabinet Ministers and senior Tory MPs expressing their unease at Johnson's language.

What the f**k did they expect from him? This is who he is. He's preaching directly to the anger of the 30% of the electorate who HE misled. He wants to whip that anger up for his own benefit and he does not give a f**k who gets hurt.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 10:14:41 AM
Meanwhile, there's one certainty.

Johnson isn't getting a deal before 31 Oct.

The only way he can get a deal through Parliament is to win 20-30 non-Tory/DUP MPs round to support him.

Yesterday he set out, deliberately and calculatingly, to piss off as many non-Tory MPs as possible.

It's so obvious.

There won't be a deal.

There never WAS going to be a deal.

He's already on the next page of the playbook. Winding up the Hard Brexit population and blaming the other side for everything going to shit.

This is the most dangerous politics I've ever seen in the UK. This is it happening right in front of your eyes. A would-be demagogue lying every day about critical issues, and none of his supporters care cos he's sticking the boot into "The Elite".
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 26, 2019, 02:40:45 PM
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''

such a shame he works so hard at being boris
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 26, 2019, 02:44:38 PM
I think I’ve almost had enough now.
There are no words to convey scale of Johnson’s depravity or
the despicable sycophancy of his supine backbench enablers.

Some MPs almost in tears last night.
 
This is much bigger than Brexit. We are fighting for future of our country. 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 26, 2019, 04:14:17 PM
I think I’ve almost had enough now.
There are no words to convey scale of Johnson’s depravity or
the despicable sycophancy of his supine backbench enablers.

Some MPs almost in tears last night.
 
This is much bigger than Brexit. We are fighting for future of our country.

Then go and fight. There'll be a GE soon. Just go and vote for what you want and what you believe in.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wing commander on September 26, 2019, 04:18:39 PM
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''

such a shame he works so hard at being boris

That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 26, 2019, 04:23:08 PM
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''

such a shame he works so hard at being boris

That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...

That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 26, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
we are already fighting , signing partitions , redistributing , crowdfunding the resistance .

The most cursory of arguments with Brexiters will throw up some massive, gaping hole in knowledge or some delusion about the EU:
it’s  a scapegoat

this country now has the most and biggest pro European groups in the EU
( you won't see that in the Daily Mail )

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/

#Yorkshire European
BritsfortheEU #FBPE

People's Vote UK‏Verified account @peoplesvote_uk

and we will win !
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 26, 2019, 04:50:56 PM
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''

such a shame he works so hard at being boris

That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...

That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.

Cringe at boris, yes, more than cringe his attitude is shocking. I also dont much like the ramping up of this by the opposition, they know what they're doing. Claim hes endangering them but let's be honest they want that portrayal dont they?  Its nasty on all sides and the country on the whole outside of political cliques is fed up of it.

I also fully agree with WC. It's at best ironic that those that are so pro democracy now say the Tories cant have a conference.....  plays up further to the narrative. Dont claim the opposition is innocent it is not.  They should have just left boris to make his own errors and have his conference.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 26, 2019, 05:10:49 PM
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''

such a shame he works so hard at being boris

That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...

That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.

Cringe at boris, yes, more than cringe his attitude is shocking. I also dont much like the ramping up of this by the opposition, they know what they're doing. Claim hes endangering them but let's be honest they want that portrayal dont they?  Its nasty on all sides and the country on the whole outside of political cliques is fed up of it.

I also fully agree with WC. It's at best ironic that those that are so pro democracy now say the Tories cant have a conference.....  plays up further to the narrative. Dont claim the opposition is innocent it is not.  They should have just left boris to make his own errors and have his conference.

Who says the Tories can't have a Conference? It's still happening.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 26, 2019, 05:13:33 PM
we are already fighting , signing partitions , redistributing , crowdfunding the resistance .

The most cursory of arguments with Brexiters will throw up some massive, gaping hole in knowledge or some delusion about the EU:
it’s  a scapegoat

this country now has the most and biggest pro European groups in the EU
( you won't see that in the Daily Mail )

Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/

#Yorkshire European
BritsfortheEU #FBPE

People's Vote UK‏Verified account @peoplesvote_uk

and we will win !

Best for Doncaster? You seem to forget that Donny voted 69% to leave. Your people are massively in the minority in this area.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on September 26, 2019, 06:00:38 PM
I think you will find that that 69% of the Doncaster population did not vote leave.
More people in Doncaster did not vote leave ( in the criminal referendum ) than did

and then take away those that have changed their mind , and (looking at the demographics)
actually died off

change is coming
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on September 26, 2019, 06:01:54 PM

Best for Doncaster? You seem to forget that Donny voted 69% to leave. Your people are massively in the minority in this area.

Doncaster is one of many working class areas in which a sizeable proportion of those who voted, voted Leave.  It is also staunchly Labour.  This pattern is repeated in many areas of the country.  Will they vote Tory/Brexit candidates in or return Labour candidates.  Because of the large percentage you mention there SS it seems to me that the 2% that produced the Leave vote will not translate into seats in similar proportion for Leave supporting parties.  But with the remain vote likely to be split across a number of parties it's anybody's guess how the GE will turn out.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 26, 2019, 06:25:50 PM
I think you will find that that 69% of the Doncaster population did not vote leave.
More people in Doncaster did not vote leave ( in the criminal referendum ) than did

and then take away those that have changed their mind , and (looking at the demographics)
actually died off

change is coming

Hi Foxbat

I have not studied the figures but are you basing your post on the fact that so many across the UK and therefore Doncaster did not even vote

I forget the UK wide figures but with a majority of 52-48 nationwide there were masses on people who couldnt be a***d to vote
EDIT - Just looked at figures and here are the results
The detailed results are as follows: Electorate = 217,422
Doncaster Turnout = 151,246 (69.56%) 
 
ResponseDoncaster Votes
Remain 46,922 (31.02%)
Leave 104,260 (68.94%)
So actually 48 ish per cent of those who could have voted voted to Leave
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: selby on September 26, 2019, 06:44:44 PM
   There were thousands of youngsters at a  certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
 They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 26, 2019, 06:56:39 PM
Here is what his sister Rachel Johnson said on the radio today about motivation for her brother;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_d7tBa4L4&app=desktop

You have been warned by his own family!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 26, 2019, 07:05:30 PM
   There were thousands of youngsters at a  certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
 They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.

That is one of the most pathetic posts I have ever read on here.

There has been a noted increase in right-wing terrorist plots and credible threats against MP's. The police have asked politicians to moderate their language and consider the effect of their words in stoking hate crime. And you think the Prime Minister mocking women when they tell him they have received death threats using the words he has used is pathetic!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/18/politicians-told-by-police-expert-to-temper-speeches-avoid-stoking-hate-crime
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/26/how-serious-are-the-threats-to-uk-mps-and-other-public-figures
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/terror-attack-plots-uk-far-right-wing-extremism-threat-met-police-neil-basu-a9112046.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: RedJ on September 26, 2019, 07:09:22 PM
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
I'm sorry Selby but this is absolutely disgraceful.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 07:56:57 PM
''boris johnson has suffered another Commons defeat. MPs have voted down the government motion for a mini recess next week during the Tory conference by 306 votes to 289 – a majority of 17''

such a shame he works so hard at being boris

That will backfire on Labour mark my words..In one swoop they have galvanised the Tory grass roots for this upcoming election..Lets get it on asap so a proper Tory government can be elected with a good majority..None of you want to hear that but that's whats going to happen...

That's ignoring the decent moderate people in those same grass roots who must have been cringing at Boris' behaviour yesterday.

Cringe at boris, yes, more than cringe his attitude is shocking. I also dont much like the ramping up of this by the opposition, they know what they're doing. Claim hes endangering them but let's be honest they want that portrayal dont they?  Its nasty on all sides and the country on the whole outside of political cliques is fed up of it.

I also fully agree with WC. It's at best ironic that those that are so pro democracy now say the Tories cant have a conference.....  plays up further to the narrative. Dont claim the opposition is innocent it is not.  They should have just left boris to make his own errors and have his conference.

Ramping up?

RAMPING UP?

Jess Phillips has had a death threat posted to her that used Johnson's precise words.

Paula Sheriff's constituency is next door to the one where Jo Cox was murdered by a far right English nationalist who was fired up by xenophobic language.

Do they not have a right to demand that the PM, the PRIME MINISTER stops accusing them of betrayal and being traitors?

Do they not have a right to complain when Johnson says that the best way for MPs to be safe is to vote for Brexit.

Everyone on here. Read that last sentence again. If that doesn't terrify you, genuinely terrify you, then I despair.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 07:58:17 PM
   There were thousands of youngsters at a  certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
 They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.

That is just...beyond words.

What sort of world do you live in?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 26, 2019, 08:05:12 PM
   There were thousands of youngsters at a  certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
 They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.

That is just...beyond words.

What sort of world do you live in?

Further to my comments above I have just read another article which notes that far-right extremists are celebrating Johnson's 'brilliant' performance yesterday.

I leave it to Selby to judge if this is the country he wishes Britain to be and the company he wishes to keep?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-parliament-debate-jo-cox-death-brexit-tommy-robinson-a9121201.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Iberian Red on September 26, 2019, 08:06:05 PM
   
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched,
 

You're an extremely sad,pathetic kitson
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on September 26, 2019, 08:36:27 PM
   There were thousands of youngsters at a  certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
 They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.
What a sociopathic post this is. Get help.

Just goes to show there are some people who'll support anything and anyone if it means they get to be on the winning side.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on September 26, 2019, 09:17:01 PM
It's a ridiculous post. I fully detest the points scoring on any side from someone who died, its not clever.  Who cares if she was heard of or not she should be still here doing her job, agree with her or not.....

I do not at all like that labour are using her death for political advantage not at all the point can be made without bringing that in to it and politically I do feel it harms labour.

But, the point is still bloody right, they should all have some respect for each other and he way some of them (eg johnson) act is disgraceful.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on September 26, 2019, 09:18:16 PM
I see that shitheel Cummings is now saying the only way for MPs to stop getting death threats is to cave and vote with the government. Banana Republic stuff.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 26, 2019, 10:20:05 PM
''Even Boris Johnson's dog wants out as PM keeps up losing streak

The prime minister skips parliament and misses his seventh defeat in seven votes

After the previous night’s toxic debate in which Boris Johnson had set yet another new low for standards in public life – hard to believe, but even sociopaths can have a talent to surprise – the Speaker first called for calm and respect from MPs from all sides. He then allowed an urgent question from Jess Phillips on the language and role of the prime minister in creating a safe environment in the country and parliament. Good luck with that''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/26/even-boris-johnsons-dog-wants-out-as-the-pm-keeps-up-losing-streak

added: Dilyn the Downing Street dog picked up the phone and called the RSPCA. “The owner’s abusive and out of control,” he barked. “Either re-home me or put me down.”
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
I see that shitheel Cummings is now saying the only way for MPs to stop getting death threats is to cave and vote with the government. Banana Republic stuff.

He's repeating what Johnson said in the Commons.

Just stop for a while and let that sink in.

Those two have CHOSEN to up the ante by deliberately and repeatedly telling MPs that if they want to be safe, they need to vote for Brexit.

Just stop and REALLY let that sink in.

That is giving a blessing to any f**king maniac who decides he fancies having a pop at a Remain supporting MP.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 26, 2019, 10:36:27 PM
It's a ridiculous post. I fully detest the points scoring on any side from someone who died, its not clever.  Who cares if she was heard of or not she should be still here doing her job, agree with her or not.....

I do not at all like that labour are using her death for political advantage not at all the point can be made without bringing that in to it and politically I do feel it harms labour.

But, the point is still bloody right, they should all have some respect for each other and he way some of them (eg johnson) act is disgraceful.

I don't think it's massively for political advantage. Due to Brexit and Johnson's words the far right are being encouraged, he is turning it into Parliament versus the people, and people who don't want to crash out are receiving death threats. These MPs are just pointing out what's happened to one of their close friends who died fighting the same thing they're currently fighting.

We'll have Johnson saying humbug and Project Fear until these people that are trying to kick doors down actually do something far worse then we'll turn into America and have Johnson giving his 'thoughts and prayers'.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
And THIS, is why you should never ever, children, never, EVER give a Tory MP a dab of whizz before he gets interviewed on telly.

He'll forget the party line and blab out that prorgation WAS all about blocking Parliament and forcing No Deal through.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1176787162928492544

It's like a golf club Keith Flint.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: jucyberry on September 26, 2019, 11:16:19 PM
I truly don't understand how anyone.. Politician or layman, can dismiss the fears on both sides of the house when it comes to death threats..

Just imagine you are at work when you hear one of your friends/colleagues has been murdered in the street whilst doing their job...

Then imagine getting death threats and messages promising them harm.. Wouldn't you be frightened?

It isn't being dramatic and it certainly isn't humbug. Jo Cox's murder took parliament back to the 1980s, It reminded them that its realitivly easy to be killed for doing your job.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 26, 2019, 11:21:17 PM
I wonder how many people on here have had serious death threats made against them, and know what it does to your life.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 26, 2019, 11:36:21 PM
   There were thousands of youngsters at a  certain pop concert who didn't even know there was a vote to go to.
   And hands up anyone who had heard of Joe Cox before she was murdered.
   That was the best day in the house of commons I have watched, and showed that those on the opposition benches are Ok dishing it out, but can't take it back without calling foul.
 They should stop playing the sympathy card while throwing personal insults the other way. There was a gang of labour women MP's who brought Joe Cox up, they are pathetic.

 
Dispicable, Selby.  But it seems that Johnson's vile tactics have worked on at least one person on this forum!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on September 27, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
Can you imagine any previous PM in living memory, either Tory or Labour, who would have sunk to the lows of Johnson?

And mentioning Jo Cox's name isn't political point scoring. Regardless of which party she stood for, her murder should show all MP's that words matter, and the things they say in parliament and how they say them, matter.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 27, 2019, 12:04:24 PM
I'm gobsmacked at folk suggesting that MPs who are getting regular death threats, are somehow trying to score political points by bringing up the case of their personal friend, Jo Cox.

This isn't a political game. Cox was murdered by a maniac who had been goaded by aggressive language online. Immediately after Johnson's comments on Wednesday, a man was arrested for trying to battered down the door of Jess Phillips's constituency office.

These MPs have an unassailable right to DEMAND that politicians take the lead in toning down their language. And we all have a responsibility to think about what we are adding to the febrile atmosphere.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on September 27, 2019, 01:01:18 PM
Worth remembering that a lot of the MPs who are "point scoring" over Jo Cox are actually her work colleagues and friends. If someone murdered one of your close work friends, and then you saw some clown repeating the exact same kind of language that fired up the murderer to kill this friend, wouldn't you be f**king livid at him?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 27, 2019, 02:54:54 PM
And meanwhile, this is what some MPs have to deal with (and isn't it odd how it's disproportionately female MPs...almost like there's a strain of toxic masculinity in the country that can't cope with strong women).

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1177131180782751744

And I've heard people suggesting that tweets like these are fabricated. False Flag things. In this case, the MoD has confirmed that this man is a serving NCO.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 27, 2019, 02:57:29 PM
By the way. That NCO was decorated for bravery under fire in Afghanistan and I take my hat off to him for that. I can't and don't want to imagine what he has experienced. But when the political atmosphere whips up people into that sort of response, it's a very worrying path we're on.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 27, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I wasn't impressed by the abuse Gina Miller got, another strong intelligent woman prepared to step up and take the leaners and rentseekers on.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 27, 2019, 05:27:34 PM
I will pick out a couple of key paragraphs for those with less time but the whole article is well worth a read if you have a minute or two - because if you don't understand what is going on/or you do understand and support it, then you too will be responsible for the end of democracy and the rise of tyranny in the UK:

Johnson’s obscene behaviour this week confirms the arrival of Trumpian Britain

On Tuesday the highest court in the land found that the prime minister had abused his power, misled parliament, and broken the law. It upheld the earlier verdict of the Scottish judges, who found that the PM had effectively lied to the Queen. If Boris Johnson had a shred of decency, integrity or responsibility, he would have resigned on the spot. Such an act would have been expected and demanded of any other PM in modern history even by their own party. Johnson is not such a man.

The PM did not apologise. He did not show humility. He instead doubled down. Johnson’s Commons appearance on Wednesday evening delivered the most repulsive parliamentary spectacle this country has seen in our lifetimes. The prime minister wailed that parliament was betraying the people. He declared it should “stand aside.” He used the phrase “surrender act” no fewer than 15 times. When one MP invoked the memory of her friend Jo Cox and pleaded with the PM, for her colleagues’ safety and her own, to moderate his language, he responded that her complaint was “humbug.” Indeed, he tumbled to a further nadir by opining that MPs could honour Cox’s memory by “getting Brexit done.” It was a gleeful festival of cruelty. People left the chamber in tears. Here was a group of MPs begging our country’s leader to temper his rhetoric, not as a political opponent but as a human being, and he jeered in their faces.

History shows that before hardline demagogues take control of the people’s will, they must first take control of the people’s lexicon. Johnson’s calm repetition of the word “surrender” was no mere attempt at ridicule. He didn’t use it to make a joke. It was, rather, a deliberate, concerted and explicit effort not simply to smear his opponents but to delegitimise them.

This is not just a question of abstract morality but people’s safety. Johnson’s language does not occur in a vacuum. It matters. It filters through. And it has consequences. Johnson must know this. He knows that Cox’s murderer cried “Britain first” as he attacked her. He knows that MPs are receiving floods of threats and abuse. He knows that the words “surrender” and “betrayal” wave a match over a public stage doused with fuel. It is simply that he doesn’t care.

The Tory party unmasked itself this week, finally and for all time. Hundreds of its MPs gathered in the Commons. They heard their leader traduce parliament, challenge the judiciary and defend law-breaking. They did not walk out in disgust. They gave him a sustained round of applause.

The old Conservative Party, for all its faults, has withered and died. Like the US Republicans who have provided such key inspiration, the Tories have entirely remodelled themselves in the image of the demagogue who leads them. They have sacrificed their honour on the altar of promised electoral success. Conservative MPs are either wholly committed to the zeitgeist of anarchist destruction or nodding supinely and looking the other way. This is the party of monarchy, dependable government and law and order, and the PM is trampling all of them—but nothing trumps the nebulous concept of party loyalty. All are culpable.

This week we witnessed the next steps of a very deliberate revolution. This is the end of civility and the end of playing by the rules. Language has no more limits and basic decency has no more value. This is Trump’s Britain in ways we can only begin to compute. Our country, its institutions and its future are at stake, and the people charged with their protection are carefully crushing them.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/boris-johnson-obscene-behaviour-arrival-trumpian-britain-brexit-parliament
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 27, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
What in the name of God is the BBC letting a nothing go shite like this go on politics shows to incite people to riot?

https://mobile.twitter.com/monarchyuk/status/1177549862348480512

And why isn't he immediately arrested and prosecuted for inciting public disorder?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on September 27, 2019, 05:56:21 PM
I think in less civilised and tollerent Countries there would have been the beginings of a Civil War by now, someone needs to get control of the mad man running our Country, sharpish!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: The Red Baron on September 27, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
The penny seems to have dropped, at least with the SNP, that the only way to GUARANTEE we don't leave on 31st October, deal or no deal, is to hold a VONC, remove Johnson and co and install a temporary government, whether headed by Jeremy Corbyn or someone else.

Although I suspect the apparently contradictory "we will obey the law, but we're leaving on 31st October" mantra is probably a massive bluff by Cummings, I don't think many opposition MPs are confident enough of the Benn Act to be sure that it can't be somehow worked around.

Although maybe this is all part of the Grand Plan- get the opposition to do your dirty work for you and then claim you are the only party that can deliver Brexit at the GE which must surely follow very soon.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on September 27, 2019, 06:42:15 PM
I wonder how many people on here have had serious death threats made against them, and know what it does to your life.

I hope when the Irish Border is re-established that they'll dismiss RIRA death threats as humbug and forgo any protection.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 27, 2019, 08:53:39 PM
''The US businesswoman embroiled in a conflict of interest row over her close friendship with Boris Johnson won a highly sought after entrepreneur visa to stay in the UK after securing the prime minister’s endorsement for her firm, the Guardian has learnt.

Arcuri, whose flat Johnson reportedly frequented while he was London mayor, beat nearly 2,000 applicants to be among 200 winners of the Sirius scheme run by UK Trade and Investment (now the Department for International Trade).

The programme requires candidates or their business to have up to £200,000 available for investment, but Companies House records show Innotech has been consistently in the red since it was founded. Its first accounts in 2014 showed it had minus £41,540 in shareholders’ funds.

Looks like we've being paying her wages, even if johnson was innocent  :woohoo: while the tories have been in power this company has had 125K of our money for sfa.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/exclusive-jennifer-arcuri-won-visa-after-johnson-backed-firm
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 28, 2019, 07:36:21 AM
I think in less civilised and tollerent Countries there would have been the beginings of a Civil War by now, someone needs to get control of the mad man running our Country, sharpish!

Trouble is opinions are so entrenched every move by either side is scoffed at ignored or similar by the other

So even if Johnson ignores the Benn Act those supporting Leave will see no problem with it because it is just what they ultimately want that has become the focus

.... and same in any and every issue the opposite way

The only thing we DONT know for sure is what a Referendum result held now would produce. What WOULD the current Will of the People actually be ? I have no idea
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on September 28, 2019, 08:18:48 AM
I think in less civilised and tollerent Countries there would have been the beginings of a Civil War by now, someone needs to get control of the mad man running our Country, sharpish!

Trouble is opinions are so entrenched every move by either side is scoffed at ignored or similar by the other

So even if Johnson ignores the Benn Act those supporting Leave will see no problem with it because it is just what they ultimately want that has become the focus

.... and same in any and every issue the opposite way

The only thing we DONT know for sure is what a Referendum result held now would produce. What WOULD the current Will of the People actually be ? I have no idea

I think we know that and Boris knows that, he’s scared he’ll lose a referendum
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 28, 2019, 08:45:50 AM
I just wish someone would get another online vote going to judge the opposition to ANY leaving of the EU

Get it to over the 17.4 Million marker and then they cant say the Will of the British people - although of course they would by adding a rider such as " the Will of the British people as expressed in the last Referendum in 2016 was .... "

I am surprised nobody has got this going though.   
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on September 28, 2019, 08:48:05 AM
Well, you know what to do Wolfie.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 28, 2019, 08:53:24 AM
this is where u do it

Petition Parliament and the government

https://www.gov.uk/petition-government
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 28, 2019, 09:47:28 AM
I DO know where to do it but have no clut whatsoever. I mean sometimes on here I think 50% have me on "ignore" as I have nowt to say

7 Million signed the last petition and that was still ignored - disparinging comments such as "yes but thats nowhere near the number who voted Leave in the largest Democratic exercise of its type" and thats factually true

What I would like to see is a "somebody" or a collection of "somebodies" getting up a vehicle so those wanting to Remain could register their intention to vote Remain IF they got a chance. Get the figure over the number of people voting Leave and there would be a sign that the Will of the BP had changed.

True it is only a sign - but could not be dismissed as easily as "they" did with the 7 Million
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 29, 2019, 08:38:46 AM
I have nothing but contempt for this grubby tw@t

''Jennifer Arcuri ‘told friends of affair with Boris Johnson’

New bombshell for Tories as party conference begins

Fresh details have emerged about Boris Johnson’s close relationship with the American ex-model and entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri as the prime minister faces an unprecedented police investigation into the scandal.

The Sunday Times has been told Arcuri confided to four friends that she was engaged in a sexual affair with Johnson while he was mayor of London. David Enrich, now the finance editor of The New York Times, says he was told of an alleged sexual relationship between the pair by two of the entrepreneur’s friends when he was working for another newspaper; his account corroborates that of other sources who spoke to Arcuri.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jennifer-arcuri-told-friends-of-affair-with-boris-johnson-h8m7wlpg2

added:

''My inner thigh was squeezed so high up, I flinched'' Boris, of course

Boris Johnson has been accused of squeezing a journalist’s thigh beneath the table at a private lunch — and doing the same to the woman sitting on his other side.

Charlotte Edwardes reveals today how the prime minister put his hand “high” up her leg and had “enough inner flesh beneath his fingers” to make her “sit suddenly upright”.

Afterwards she confided in the young woman sitting on Johnson’s left, who replied: “Oh God, he did exactly the same to me.” Edwardes dubbed the prime minister “the double thigh-squeezer”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/my-inner-thigh-was-squeezed-so-high-up-i-flinched-boris-of-course-xmkn3xjwn
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 29, 2019, 11:58:22 AM
Just watched Johnson on The Marr Show.

A couple of thoughts.

1) Marr is f**king useless. He regularly asked questions which Johnson ignored and then let Johnson just feel off his pre-planned script. "Surrender Act" and "Get Brexit Done" repeated maybe 50 times in 10 minutes

2) When asked a specific question on the Arcuri affair, he obfuscated so flagrantly, it raises the question of just how much trouble he might be in. It seems to me to be an open and shut case. He was f**king a model. The model had a tiny, micro company worth the square root of f**k all. Then she was invited on trade missions to represent London along with heads of huge blue chip companies. Some of those bosses expressed incredulity that a nothing "businesswoman" like her was on the trip. And commented on how those trips gave her company huge exposure.

Marr pointed out that it was a criminal offence for the London Mayor to give benefits to themselves, family or friends. And that Johnson had a legal duty to formally declare an interest in the case of Arcuri. He specifically basked Johnson if he'd declared that interest. Johnson went into blather mode.

So we can be certain that the PM did not declare that interest and he's committed a criminal offence.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 29, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
Marr - "Did you declare the interest with Jennifer Arcuri?"

Johnson response - "Mayor of London needs to invest in police officers and not his own press releases. Also, get Brexit done."
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 29, 2019, 12:10:50 PM
People are starting to think that Johnson has been talking to Orban to get him to reject the extension. In that way Johnson won't be breaking the law but we'll be leaving at the end of October.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 29, 2019, 12:42:40 PM
I can see the play.

Cummings wants the world to think he's got a fantastic plan to thwart Parliament and enable No Deal.

That is intended to spook MPs into panicking and having a No Confidence vote this week, putting Corbyn in as temporary PM. Corbyn then goes to Brussels to ask for A50 extension. Cummings then paints Corbyn as The One Who Surrendered" in the subsequent election.

f**k him.

I hope the other parties stand firm and force Johnson to eat the soup that Cummings has prepared.

There is no cunning plan to get round this. Johnson WILL have to ask for A50 extension and that will badly damage him.in the Election.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 29, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
People are starting to think that Johnson has been talking to Orban to get him to reject the extension. In that way Johnson won't be breaking the law but we'll be leaving at the end of October.

I noticed that the MoS front page is condemning British poliiticans talking to their European counterparts as 'foreign collusion'. Of course asking foreign leaders to block the will of our sovereign parliament is what they are talking about right?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 29, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
Wilts.

You mean like this?
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/01/24/calls-for-shrewsbury-mp-to-publish-brexit-letter-to-polish-government/
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on September 29, 2019, 03:38:38 PM
Wilts.

You mean like this?
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/01/24/calls-for-shrewsbury-mp-to-publish-brexit-letter-to-polish-government/

Send him back to where he came from ;)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 29, 2019, 04:14:59 PM
I reckon folk need to pay more attention to the interview with Rachel Johnson on R4 that I posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_d7tBa4L4&app=desktop
About 3 min 15 sec in.

Unprompted by the interviewer, she suggests either Cummings or Hedge Fund backers might explain the actions of Borump.

Maybe the two work in tandem......the strategy Cummings might follow is set by the need to satisfy the interests of financial backers?

Food for thought here:
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/23/brexit-disaster-capitalism-are-boris-johnsons-hedge-fund-backers-driving-policy/

It does raise the question of what do the backers get back for their support if it is not a profit opportunity from the ability to direct events?

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 29, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
So.

Who to believe on this one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49873301

He's genuinely repulsive isn't he?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on September 29, 2019, 08:41:13 PM
Albie

It's interesting that Rachel Johnson's claims about the Brexit hedge-fund backers wanting No Deal because they have bet on crashing the £ was also put forward by that other noted left wing radical, Phillip Hammond.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-no-longer-recognise-this-party-of-radicals-cpdmxcxwf

and now by a senior ex-civil servant

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/29/ex-top-civil-servant-hammond-was-right-to-query-no-deal-backers
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 30, 2019, 12:20:28 PM
Sydney Morning Herald (centre right news)

On Monday The Sun newspaper reported “bitter rows” between Johnson and Crosby, among other close long-standing allies now complaining of being “shut out” of the PM’s inner circle.

A Conservative Party source told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age there had been rumours of a clash of personality, temperament and tactics between Crosby and 10 Downing Street’s chief of staff, Dominic Cummings.

If bridges aren’t mended the Conservatives could be left without the man they consider one of their best tacticians for the next general election, with a vote expected before the end of the year.

The rumour also had Johnson’s partner Carrie Symonds – a former Conservative Party head of communications - involved in the split.

“There was a big bust-up … it is a complete rupture,” the source said.

The Sun reported that Crosby had clashed with Johnson over “Ms Symonds' strong influence”, though it also reported Crosby and Johnson were still exchanging texts or calls “every week or so”.

During Johnson’s Tory leadership bid the pair reportedly spoke every day.
Boris Johnson's chief of staff Dominic Cummings.

Boris Johnson's chief of staff Dominic Cummings.Credit:AP

An unnamed former close ally of the PM’s told The Sun: “The Cummings experiment has palpably failed, but Boris will not turn the ship.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/reports-of-rift-between-boris-johnson-and-australian-political-guru-20190930-p52w5l.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 30, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
What the f**k is going on with the BBC.

Johnson stands accused of sexual assault and corruption.

This interviewer asks him two limp questions then stands there in silence as he spends THREE MINUTES ignoring the questions and reel off policy aspirations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49877508

What the f**king hell is going on there?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on September 30, 2019, 07:07:56 PM
What the f**k is going on with the BBC.

Johnson stands accused of sexual assault and corruption.

This interviewer asks him two limp questions then stands there in silence as he spends THREE MINUTES ignoring the questions and reel off policy aspirations

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49877508

What the f**king hell is going on there?

It's not called the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation for nothing BST!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on September 30, 2019, 07:09:15 PM
Andrew Marr let him off lightly as well - and just let him off to do a "must deliver on the will of the British people blah blah blah stuff whilst totally ignoring the real question

Not nearly as robust as he was with May and the Trident accidental launch
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on September 30, 2019, 07:12:51 PM
Hang in a minute lads, don’t all politicians avoid answering the question then ramble on about something else.
Nothing new really.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 30, 2019, 07:22:29 PM
Hound.

If they do, I expect the I reviewed to intervene, not stand there like a chuffing dummy for 3 minutes.

Find me a single example of Jeremy Corbyn ever been treated in the same way.

She should have interrupted after 10 seconds and insisted that he answer the question. That wasn't an interview. It was a party political broadcast.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on September 30, 2019, 07:24:20 PM
I am not disputing that though BST.
Just stating a fact that politicians rarely answer a question with a proper answer.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on September 30, 2019, 07:29:29 PM
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on September 30, 2019, 07:45:46 PM
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.






It has been the same for years.
The problem is that politicians can speak for five minutes without stopping or drawing breath.
Interviewers sometimes try to cut in but the politician just keeps rattling on.
Eventually the allocated time for the slot draws to an end and the interviewer says something like, “ok, thanks for that, we are out of time so will have to leave it there.”

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on September 30, 2019, 08:28:13 PM
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.






It has been the same for years.
The problem is that politicians can speak for five minutes without stopping or drawing breath.
Interviewers sometimes try to cut in but the politician just keeps rattling on.
Eventually the allocated time for the slot draws to an end and the interviewer says something like, “ok, thanks for that, we are out of time so will have to leave it there.”

Yeah Hound, but don't you know that regarding them as all the same is deemed on here to be "lazy thinking"?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on September 30, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
I've gotta say you're right on that Hound, we need more interviewers to stand up to them and demand answers, this wishy washy crap doesn't help anyone.






It has been the same for years.
The problem is that politicians can speak for five minutes without stopping or drawing breath.
Interviewers sometimes try to cut in but the politician just keeps rattling on.
Eventually the allocated time for the slot draws to an end and the interviewer says something like, “ok, thanks for that, we are out of time so will have to leave it there.”

Yeah Hound, but don't you know that regarding them as all the same is deemed on here to be "lazy thinking"?






Ha, yes I saw that.
More like lazy interviewing I suppose.
It doesnt matter though because these MPs are trained in not answering.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: turnbull for england on September 30, 2019, 08:37:34 PM
Wow, this has to be a wind up
  https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1178589278311522304?s=19
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 30, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Christ up above, Turnbull, do you mind. I've got to sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on September 30, 2019, 09:00:37 PM
Wow, this has to be a wind up
  https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1178589278311522304?s=19






They do say that beauty is in the eye of beholder.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: turnbull for england on September 30, 2019, 09:19:20 PM
It'll be dustier than than the back of the fridge, but that's hardly the point. How can anyone really say that with a clean conscience
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on September 30, 2019, 09:34:28 PM
She is a truly hideous person. I wonder what trauma she has experienced in life to end up so determined to spew out such repulsiveness.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on September 30, 2019, 11:52:52 PM
As the media can't be bothered with journalism any more, it is worth keeping a tally of the fake  news Johnson fronts up;
https://insider.labour.org.uk/factcheck/100-days-boris-johnson-lying/

There is so much of it that it's difficult to keep up with the lad.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 01, 2019, 06:27:21 AM
Also I remember he was sacked as Foriegn Secretary (or something similar) and would not get out of the Mansion that goes with that job till HE was ready
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on October 01, 2019, 07:28:23 AM
https://youtu.be/yEk6zGYwyhc (https://youtu.be/yEk6zGYwyhc)

The first two minutes of this is like Johnson/Cummings.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 09:19:57 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49890199

Quote
Boris Johnson has rejected leaked claims overnight that the government has proposed "customs clearance zones" to tackle the Irish border issue.

So the Govt will have been planning to have customs clearance zones then.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 01, 2019, 11:17:16 AM
LOL yes absolutely certain.

Politicians say one thing but do another in typical Politician style (same as I can remember for 50 years)

Whatever happens EU wise - I do not trust one word that Johnson says . He is a serial liar.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on October 01, 2019, 11:38:35 AM
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/1178938072416886784?s=19 (https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/1178938072416886784?s=19)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
LOL yes absolutely certain.

Politicians say one thing but do another in typical Politician style (same as I can remember for 50 years)

Whatever happens EU wise - I do not trust one word that Johnson says . He is a serial liar.

I have sympathy with people who say that all politicians bend the truth. But it's about the degree. Very, very few lie explicitly about objective truth. That's why the one in the hospital the other day was so worrying, when Johnson said that there was no press presence there...in front of the press. That was an insight into his approach to dealing with problems. Put him on the spot and his instinctive reaction is to lie.

You can't over-emphaise the fact that this is not normal. It is NOT what politicians usually do. It is pathologically dangerous
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on October 01, 2019, 12:22:18 PM
The opposition need to get their act together and vote for no confidence in the Prime Minister; then he'll look even more of a t**t
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 02:30:04 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49890199

Quote
Boris Johnson has rejected leaked claims overnight that the government has proposed "customs clearance zones" to tackle the Irish border issue.

So the Govt will have been planning to have customs clearance zones then.

So. As I was saying...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49890199
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on October 01, 2019, 03:58:55 PM
The opposition need to get their act together and vote for no confidence in the Prime Minister; then he'll look even more of a t**t

Can't happen Bob. That would mean a government of national unity, and the other parties won't agree to Corbyn leading it.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 04:20:06 PM
Yeah. The LDs are showing their true colours aren't they?

Meatloaf politicians

They would do anything to stop No Deal, but they won't do that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on October 01, 2019, 04:50:39 PM
Yeah. The LDs are showing their true colours aren't they?

Meatloaf politicians

They would do anything to stop No Deal, but they won't do that.

I've said for many years that the Lib Dems are a party of chancers and opportunists; and Jo Swinson is just a joke.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 01, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
Only a matter of weeks ago this bloke was seen as electoral gold because of his character.

He doesn't even know which cup to use...

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1179002930386669569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1179002930386669569&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2F2019%2Foct%2F01%2Fno-disposable-cups-boris-johnsons-aide-confiscates-his-drink
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 05:55:41 PM
I can just picture Malcolm Tucker turning up and shouting, "Hey you! Yes you, you great fat posh f**k. Just...just f**king stand over there and practice saying "Surrender Act". And try not to f**king touch anything."
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on October 01, 2019, 06:38:35 PM
I've said for many years that the Lib Dems are a party of chancers and opportunists; and Jo Swinson is just a joke.

that is something we can definitely agree on
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 01, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
We could say that about them all though couldn't we? None of them will budge as the next election is still more important to them all.

Parliament returned last week and what has parliament done in that time.  Nice win over boris but nothing else.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 01, 2019, 08:03:34 PM
Just in: Johnson refuses to deny that he's a tw@t
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on October 01, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
Swinson is just keeping up a long tradition for the LibDems.

Remember this;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECFKRvvXUAAs6uX.jpg

They followed up that winner with this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECFKSEtW4AASg4Q.jpg

You would not want to rely on them, would you?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobbymax on October 01, 2019, 08:56:58 PM
Swinson's voting record is more right-wing than most Tories. If she facilitates a Johnson no deal, she's doing it for personal gain. Horrible woman who leads a near-dead party of delusional individuals.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 01, 2019, 09:10:18 PM
Amazing though isnt it.  Swinson saying she wont back Corbyn is an idiot, but Corbyn saying he'll only go for no confidence if he can be pm, is perfectly fine.....
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 09:17:39 PM
BFYP

When has Corbyn said that?

God knows I'm no fan of his, but to the best of my knowledge, he's said only that convention points to the Leader of the Opposition being the one to have first shot at forming a Govt in the event of a NC vote.

Swinson is the one playing silly f**kers there. Corbyn's being absolutely straight.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 01, 2019, 10:05:40 PM
I am not saying this is true, I have no idea, but Paul Mason was Economics Editor for Channel 4 & Newsnight - so you would expect knows a few people in the city:

Swinson wont support Corbyn because a number of city firms have become LD backers and they have told her not to. No Deal is better than Corbyn

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1178938446267785216
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 01, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
For what it's worth, if the ONLY way of stopping No Deal was to put Ken Clark in No10 as temporary PM, I have no doubt that Corbyn would support that.

I'm not convinced that Swinson would put Corbyn in No10 if that was the only way of stopping No Deal.

If you think about it, crashing out on No Deal wouldn't be a bad outcome for the LDs. There would be outrage from 70% of the population, and the LDs would say, at the subsequent Election, "Well WE were the only party firmly in favour of Remain."

I'm not saying the Lads have no princi...

f**k it yes I am. This is the party that campaigned vigorously against Austerity in 2010, then signed up for it lock stock and barrel in Coalition, because the Leader said he had changed his mind a couple of days before the Election. But never told anyone.

A bunch of unprincipled shysters.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 02, 2019, 07:11:46 AM
.... I seem to rememeber they also had a very pro stance on PR and I was heartened - but they seemed to settle for something much less when in Coalition.

They also had the stance on Tuition Fees which was thrown overboard much to their cost and the Students it directly affected

Note : some of the above may not be quite accurate but my memory for such things has limitations - and I cant be bothered to look them up

Bringing it back to Johnson and politics as a whole - they rely on people like me and those who : were not alive or politically aware or remember to get away with the c**p they keep getting away with.

Have those Pacer Trains gone yet ? I do remember them because every transport Minister mentions them when there is trouble rail wise. Pacers are to be replaced to bring improvements and bring us up north in line with elsewhere as they are being replaced by luxurious Rolling Stock before 16 17 18 19 20 21 the end of 21 ?    1 of 79 replaced last time I knew
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 02, 2019, 08:23:38 AM
BFYP

When has Corbyn said that?

God knows I'm no fan of his, but to the best of my knowledge, he's said only that convention points to the Leader of the Opposition being the one to have first shot at forming a Govt in the event of a NC vote.

Swinson is the one playing silly f**kers there. Corbyn's being absolutely straight.

A simple article here in the guardian for one.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/30/opposition-parties-to-start-planning-for-national-unity-government

Or here from McDonnell...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/corbyn-caretaker-government-mcdonnell-labour

I'm pretty sure that backs up my point that all parties want it on their terms.....
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on October 02, 2019, 08:36:23 AM
So Corbyn himself has never said that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 02, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
No he absolutely does not drive the stance....

Ultimately wont happen though as the numbers will never be there.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 02, 2019, 09:17:35 AM
''Boris Johnson: £400m a week claim fact-checked'' By Reality Check

The claim: Boris Johnson said: "Were we obliged to the stay in the EU, we would need a bigger bus, because the figure would go up and I think it will be rising [to] £400m gross."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49891899

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 02, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
''Conference pledges but it's Brexit that will make or break PM

One diplomatic source, when asked if there was a way to tweak the deal, to use the political phrase, put lipstick on the pig, told me, "we do have a lipstick in our pocket, but we can only use it once".

Timing and trust may be everything. And we may know in a matter of days, not weeks, if there is a real chance of Boris Johnson achieving a deal''

johnson said ''oink''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49887640

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 02, 2019, 09:36:20 AM
Brexit plan revealed: Telegraph obtains proposal Boris Johnson will send to Brussels

Boris Johnson will on Wednesday unveil a radical new ‘two borders for four years’ Brexit plan which will leave Northern Ireland in a special relationship with Europe until 2025, The Telegraph can reveal.

The plan, which was briefed to major EU capitals on Tuesday, will accept the need for both a regulatory border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea for four years  - and customs checks between the North and the Republic of Ireland.

The UK’s proposed replacement for the existing Irish backstop is expected to face fierce opposition from EU leaders who will be asked to grant the UK sweeping exemptions from EU customs rules to ...... paywall


the super sleuths at the tele get the lowdown on johnson's latest pile of manure

Added:

the Times, the Tele and the Sun are locked in behind johnson's plan while the Express has a page full of contradictions and undecipherable rubbish
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 02, 2019, 09:57:59 AM
BFYP

When has Corbyn said that?

God knows I'm no fan of his, but to the best of my knowledge, he's said only that convention points to the Leader of the Opposition being the one to have first shot at forming a Govt in the event of a NC vote.

Swinson is the one playing silly f**kers there. Corbyn's being absolutely straight.

A simple article here in the guardian for one.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/30/opposition-parties-to-start-planning-for-national-unity-government

Or here from McDonnell...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/corbyn-caretaker-government-mcdonnell-labour

I'm pretty sure that backs up my point that all parties want it on their terms.....

Point taken. I'd missed that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 02, 2019, 01:30:19 PM
Politics, late 2019 No.2.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1179353250824364032

Yeah alright. That'd be funny on a panel show.

Maybe that's what we've got. Just a reality TV star as f**king PM.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 02, 2019, 06:54:12 PM
Our Best Kept Village Idiot Of The Year strike Again!
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nuclear-fusion-lab-eu-funding-brexit-conference-speech-tory-a9130381.html
 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 07:59:20 PM
Our Best Kept Village Idiot Of The Year strike Again!
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nuclear-fusion-lab-eu-funding-brexit-conference-speech-tory-a9130381.html
 


And that's the kind of stuff the divorce bill is paying for too.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 02, 2019, 08:30:51 PM
Oh my god, I don't believe it, fake nooze,

''Dominic Cummings accused of lying to undermine MPs

Johnson’s chief of staff lied to media about drafting of Benn act, Grieve says at PMQs''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/dominic-cummings-accused-of-lying-to-undermine-mps-boris-johnson-benn-act-pmqs
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 02, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
Our Best Kept Village Idiot Of The Year strike Again!
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nuclear-fusion-lab-eu-funding-brexit-conference-speech-tory-a9130381.html
 


We can get this done and prove the doubters wrong. Remember it was only recently they said wind turbines couldn't knock the skin of a rice pudding.

and who exactly was it that said that Mr Johnson...

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1179353250824364032
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 03, 2019, 10:21:35 AM
So johnson's cunning plan has all the signs of a lead balloon as the Irish leaders don't appear to like it and some EU leaders have also concurred with that. Gosh this past 3 years have flown by and here we are looking like it's square one with the possibility of a johnson proscecution, there's always a silver lining aye?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 03, 2019, 02:11:48 PM
If the deal "bombs" & he has to ask for an extension I wonder with all 27 Members having to agree one might just hold us "hostage" - and cause us to crash out with No Deal ?

Spain - "give us Gibraltar back" springs to mind - or are they saving that Card to play at an optimum time ?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 03, 2019, 02:22:28 PM
No chance Wolf. Any country that tries that will be seriously hammered by the others.

The EU doesn't want no deal if it can be avoided without compromising the SM and CU because it will hurt some EU countries badly. So anyone who tried that stunt would be in line for a lot of recriminations.


 The most likely one to think about blocking an extension is Orban's Hungary, but as they are large gross financial beneficiaries from the EU, they'd be playing a very risky game.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 03, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
Yes good point - I am still looking at what that sneaky t**t  Johnson has up his sleeve

How about vice versa. He obviously has no scruples - could he actually "sell" Gibraltar out as he seems to be able to get away with anything lol

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 03, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
He might just actually want his deal?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 03, 2019, 03:59:06 PM
Yes he may bfyp, but not for the benefit of the country at large to save his large arse. He doesnt give a flying f@ck about Ireland, that's pretty obvious.

The Irish PM: He said he welcomed Johnson’s comments that there would be no new customs infrastructure installed, but he said that pledge appeared to contradict the text of the UK plan, which indicated checks could be carried out at unspecified designated locations. He said there was a need to “tease out” the detail of Johnson’s plans.

Here's where he should start: https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8576386-3x2-700x467.jpg
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 03, 2019, 05:21:33 PM
BFYP

He might, but if he did he'd be starting from an acceptance of what the EU has consistently set out as it's red lines over the past 3 years.

As far as I can see, this latest plan ignores most of the past 3 years of discussions.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 03, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Yes good point - I am still looking at what that sneaky t**t  Johnson has up his sleeve


I reckon he is going to resign.

There isn't doing to be a deal on 19th October unless he radically changes his proposals - and that seems unlikely.

He will then refuse to negotiate an extention as stipulated by the Benn Act. Parliament will then take him to court.

This has to go High Court, Supreme Court. How long will that take, a week? Lets say they can get it done by 25th October, which seems very tight.

At some point during that court case, most likely at the last minute when they are reading the verdict out telling him he to send the letter he will resign. Leaving the opposition a maximum 4 days to come up with an alternative government to stop a No Deal Brexit.

Of course if the government lawyers can string the case out longer that will give them even less time...

Looks like those Lib Dem MP's who have been on tv in the past couple of days saying No Deal is better than Corbyn as PM might soon be able to get their way.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 04, 2019, 10:48:09 AM
BFYP

He might, but if he did he'd be starting from an acceptance of what the EU has consistently set out as it's red lines over the past 3 years.

As far as I can see, this latest plan ignores most of the past 3 years of discussions.

And typically if neither side can agree a deal you would normally have the threat of no deal there to push them, that threat is not there so what does Ireland and the EU have to stop them just going nope, nope, nope? Nothing, as they know parliament will never allow it currently.  There is no incentive for them to move right now.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 04, 2019, 11:55:35 AM
BFYP.

But it's NOT a credible threat! That's the whole point!

A threat implies that YOU will suffer more than ME if you don't give me what I want.

Saying, "Give me what I want or I'll kneecap myself and you'll get blood and bits of bone all over you" is simply not credible. Ever. By anyone.

All it does is stir up bad feeling that you're not negotiating in good faith.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 04, 2019, 02:20:40 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

So here's a three-pipe problem then.

There's no way of God's earth that the EU is going to cut us a deal based on Johnson's proposal.

Johnson has now told a court that he will write to the EU asking for a Brexit extension if there's no deal signed by 19 Oct.

But the Govt line is that we're still leaving on 31 Oct.

Anyone got better powers of logical deduction than me cos I'm floundering on this one now.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: tommy toes on October 04, 2019, 02:47:16 PM
I've got the answer BST....

'There's lumps of it round the back.'
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on October 04, 2019, 03:13:03 PM
https://twitter.com/ResistersLondon/status/1179781814564638721?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ResistersLondon/status/1179781814564638721?s=19)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on October 04, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

So here's a three-pipe problem then.

There's no way of God's earth that the EU is going to cut us a deal based on Johnson's proposal.

Johnson has now told a court that he will write to the EU asking for a Brexit extension if there's no deal signed by 19 Oct.

But the Govt line is that we're still leaving on 31 Oct.

Anyone got better powers of logical deduction than me cos I'm floundering on this one now.

Got Hungary to veto any extension, which would mean that he’s colluded with a foreign state to bypass the democratic principles of the UK
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 04, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
And it's not only Johnson who's a stranger to truth and honesty.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GuitaristDom/status/1180037096972656641

I keep on asking here. Does anyone have any examples of the Left getting away with this sort of shite?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 04, 2019, 08:43:06 PM
Filo, this was published Friday 13 September 2019, not saying it won't happen as janus johnson cannot be trusted.

Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson

oops incorrect link, now corrected

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 04, 2019, 09:00:56 PM
Filo, this was published Friday 13 September 2019, not saying it won't happen as janus johnson cannot be trusted.

Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson

oops incorrect link, now corrected

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html

I rather suspect that no member of the club would want to be the one that went against the club in favour of a country leaving the club.  Unless, of course, they plan to follow suit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 04, 2019, 09:05:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KumVcyH.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 04, 2019, 09:10:46 PM
There was a great moment yesterday in parliament.  During questions on his Brexit statement Mr Speaker called Chi Onuwrah (labour MP for Newcastle Upon Tyne Central).  She asked a question about the NHS post Brexit.

Johnson replied how he'd been "proud to visit Manchester North General hospital in her constituency last weekend"!!!!  And people mock Diane Abbott....  How many more gaffes is this idiot going to make before people see through him?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 04, 2019, 09:37:16 PM
like we were saying on another thread ''the north'' starts at Watford Gap servo and it's homogenous, apparently.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 04, 2019, 10:51:25 PM
Stupid is as stupid does
 
(https://i.imgur.com/j0BhWAw.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 04, 2019, 10:55:26 PM
And it's not only Johnson who's a stranger to truth and honesty.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GuitaristDom/status/1180037096972656641

I keep on asking here. Does anyone have any examples of the Left getting away with this sort of shite?

Not quite the same but equally unhelpful wouldnt we say?

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/what-michael-gove-really-said-at-the-german-embassy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Note, I agree with you. FWIW the Express is by far the worst of the papers, absolute tripe.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 04, 2019, 11:06:33 PM
BFYP

Fair call. What that Prof did there is  a disgrace.

I've no problem with The Spectator writing a long article about it. But I do wonder why they don't call out similar things on the Right, like Leave.EU's disgraceful doctoring of a BBC video to make out that Barnier was plotting to deceive the UK, or the Tory party's recent doctoring of a BBC website header to propagate a lie about Govt investment in the NHS.

If you (and I don't mean "you" here) hate liars and deceivers, you hate them all. Not just the ones on the other side.

Me, (and I'm sure you too) I hate liars and deceivers full stop.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 05, 2019, 06:41:02 AM
So will Johnson "die in a ditch" after being pushed there after "laying in front of the (Heathrow) Bulldozers" I wonder
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 05, 2019, 08:49:36 AM
Homework. Time allowed just over three years.

Subject: Backstop and how leaving the EU without a deal will f**k over the Irish and UK peoples.

Candidate: B Johnson.

Your efforts to comprehend the subject at hand is severely lacking and you have provided little supporting evidence to show that you have taken this topic at all seriously. Scrawled out on a dinner napkin your lack of effort shows your utter contempt and cavalier attitude for the serious nature of Brexit and the future of the UK.

Should you not rectify this within the next few days you will be forced to face a panel of your peers and explain why you should not be expelled.

0/10
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 06, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
Boris Johnson faces ultimatum over Jennifer Arcuri messages
London assembly committee may also compel PM to appear before it to answer questions about relationship with entrepreneur

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-london-assembly-summons

Maybe it would be easier for him to list all those he hasn't groped or shagged?

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 06, 2019, 11:22:18 AM
Just electioneering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49950188

Every syllable that dribbles out of his lying mouth is just about the upcoming election. He's spinning the line that it's all about the devious cheating bas**rds in Brussels.

Who's got so little self-respect that they are actually prepared to swallow this?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 07, 2019, 10:59:32 AM
Somebody clearly loves him
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6jesg5MYOs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 07, 2019, 02:32:33 PM
Just electioneering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49950188

Every syllable that dribbles out of his lying mouth is just about the upcoming election. He's spinning the line that it's all about the devious cheating bas**rds in Brussels.

Who's got so little self-respect that they are actually prepared to swallow this?

About 35% if a GE was to be held - and about 42% if we had a second (or third actually) Referendum
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 07, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
Just electioneering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49950188

Every syllable that dribbles out of his lying mouth is just about the upcoming election. He's spinning the line that it's all about the devious cheating bas**rds in Brussels.

Who's got so little self-respect that they are actually prepared to swallow this?

Give me an alternative I'm crying out for it.....
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: glosterred on October 07, 2019, 06:01:08 PM
Don’t all politicians electioneer from the day after they were elected, therefore what’s new in this?


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 07, 2019, 06:03:34 PM
Glos.

The issue is that he's claiming to be negotiating the Brexit deal when he's actually doing nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 07, 2019, 06:04:41 PM
BFYP

You haven't got one on the Right. That's the problem. You've got a choice between a Brexit Party and a Tory Party, both of which are headed by pathological liars.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 07, 2019, 08:49:49 PM
johnson is apparently having a late night deleting the last 10 years of emails.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 08, 2019, 10:31:25 AM
Next stage of the electioneering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49970267

All predicted several weeks ago.

He starts off full of enthusiasm. "It's a million to one chance that we won't get a deal agreed."

Sets up the EU as the problem. "We can get a deal if the EU genuinely wants to show some flexibility."

Repeat from July to October. Whilst not proposing any form of deal.

Then produce a, frankly, insulting proposal for a deal.

Then this. "The EU has budged not one centimetre and we're preparing for a breakdown in talks."

Does anyone, anywhere actually buy this?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 08, 2019, 10:38:49 AM
It's a predictable strategy.

Some talk that the EU are calling for NI to be permanently tied to the EU with Merkel saying "forever".  Isn't that actually quite a positive for the Brexiteers in this strategy by saying well "we told you so all along"?  Like it or not with that kind of talk no deal chances do increase.

They should actually be concerned with the talk that the UK if still within the EU will cause trouble, that doesn't just massively affect our country but 27 others also.

The real crux of course is that they know a GE will come in the next 2 months and the government is actually right that having no threat of no deal has given the EU no need to change their view. 

The real irony was an interview with some who'd been at the opposition talks yesterday basically saying they don't yet need to agree on who would lead a so called government of unity as the deadline for deciding it isn't this week - somewhat ironic they've taken that point away from the government.

It is a shame that both sides appear to be just going with a hostile non agreement, neither side will compromise enough.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 08, 2019, 11:39:33 AM
BFYP
Quote
They should actually be concerned with the talk that the UK if still within the EU will cause trouble, that doesn't just massively affect our country but 27 others also.

Yes, that's going to end well isn't it. Stomp about like a petulant teenagers, smashing all the crockery in the house because you've been told you can't go out. And presumably, sometime after that when we'd finally left, we'd expect the EU to sit down in a friendly manner and negotiate a trade deal with us? Really?

Quote
the government is actually right that having no threat of no deal has given the EU no need to change their view.

It's actually quite frightening that intelligent people like you have swallowed this one. No Deal was never a credible threat. Ever. Full stop. It is never a credible negotiating strategy to threaten to hurt yourself if you don't get your way. The idea that threatening to walk away from the negotiating table gives us power is ridiculous. It's based on these stupid analogies with negotiating to buy a house or a car. Of COURSE in those situations you reserve the right to walk away. And by doing so, nothing has changed. You revert to the status quo ante.

If we leave with No Deal, we're not reverting to the status quo. We're walking into an economic and social disaster. And no sane Govt would choose to do that. It'd be beyond stupid. So it's simply not a credible threat.

Both of these two points are just electioneering. If the electorate is prepared to swallow them, maybe we deserve a pathological liar as PM.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 08, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
Anyway. The crunch point is here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1181500469690195968

For what it's worth, I don't for a second believe Merkel has repeatedly said the NI has to stay in the CU forever. That's yet more spin from Cummings.

Of course, NI WILL have to stay in the CU forever. Everyone knows that. There's no way to save the GFA without that. That's just a fact. But it would be stupid for Merkel to say it because it would be the EU giving Johnson his election quote. "We  never desert NI so this is the EU preventing all of us from leaving."
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 08, 2019, 12:08:55 PM
Here's the choice at the election by the way.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1181443140143779840

You can have Johnson and No Deal (because we're not leaving with a deal now). Or you can have Corbyn, dump Brexit and by 2022, the economy is better performing by nearly £2000 for every man woman and child in the country.

And I repeat, this is not lefties making these claims. It's hard headed capitalist economists.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 08, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
Why do journalists keep using phrases like "A No10 source" when everyone knows it is "Egotistical maniac Dominic Cummings"?

This. Here. Just...so far beyond sanity. And he's running the Govt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1181334406751035393
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on October 08, 2019, 01:03:47 PM
Why do journalists keep using phrases like "A No10 source" when everyone knows it is "Egotistical maniac Dominic Cummings"?

This. Here. Just...so far beyond sanity. And he's running the Govt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1181334406751035393

F*ck yeah. Goulash for all.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 09, 2019, 08:28:46 PM
The top 50 achievements of Boris Johnson, Prime Minister

grim/unbelievable reading

Yes: the actual Prime Minister. Of us. and people support him !! ???

1.Invented lie about EU law on straight bananas
2.Invented lie about EU banning prawn cocktails
3.Invented lie about EU introducing mandatory smaller coffins
4.Invented lie about EU demanding plastic wrapping around kippers
5.Lied that 80 million people from Turkey would come to UK if we didn't leave EU
6.Sacked from The Times for inventing a quote then lying about having invented it
7.Found guilty of misrepresenting facts by IPSO
8.Sacked from Tory front-bench for lying about an affair
9.Accused of misuse of public funds, because it appears he gave £126,000, for no valid reason, to a pole-dancer he boasted he was having an affair with.
10.Recorded discussing a plot to break a journalist's ribs and give him "a couple of black eyes" in a conversation with his friend Darius Guppy, a convicted fraudster
11.Referred to Commonwealth citizens as "picaninnies", racist term for black children.
12.Described black people as having "watermelon smiles"
13.Forced by Telegraph to apologise for describing the people of Papua New Guinea as "cannibals"
14.Suggested reinstating British control over former colonies - essentially restarting The Empire
15.Campaigned to have a deal before we leave the EU, and to stay in the Single Market
16.… then sacked 21 of his own MPs, including the longest-serving MP and Winston Churchill's grandson, for voting to get a deal before we leave the EU and to stay in the Single Market
17.Wrote insulting poem about the people of Turkey, then "apologised" to the President of Turkey by complimenting his washing machine 18.Questioned the repeal of the ban on producing information about homosexuality
19.Wrote an article scoring female delegates to the Labour Party conference on his "tottyometer" 20.Said "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts"
21.Described gay men as "bum-boys"
22.Said "Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction"
23.Said the UK must accept that "Islam is the problem"
24.Referred to Muslim women as looking like "bank robbers" and "post-boxes"
 25.Blamed Hillsborough on Liverpool fans, then described the victims as "whingeing scousers"
26.Found to have broken the Ministerial Code by failing to declare income
27.Said Libya could be the new Dubai if "they clear the dead bodies away"
28.Recited racist colonial-era poem in Buddhist temple, and had to be stopped and castigated by the British Ambassador
29. At  the World Islamic Economic Forum, said that Malaysian women only attended university in order to find husbands
30. Got  a British Citizen, Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, jailed in Iran because he mistakenly called her a spy
31.Bought water cannon that are illegal to use in the UK at a cost of £333,000. They were sold for scrap, unused
32.Doubled rough-sleeping when he was Mayor of London
33.Spent £46m on a garden bridge that had absolutely zero construction done
34. As  Mayor of London, spent £500,000 on a cable-car - the most expensive ever built - that has an average of 4 daily users
35. Claimed he had introduced Oyster cards. They were introduced 5 years before he became Mayor
36. As  Mayor, claimed he had made serious youth crime fall, when Met figures showed the opposite
 37.Promised £350m a week for NHS (at time of writing, owes NHS £57.7 billion)
 38.Had police called to his house during his actual job interview as PM
39.Refused to take part in any debates when campaigning to become PM 40.Said "f**k business" when presented with concerns about Brexit
41.Refuses to admit how many children he has
42.Broke the law by illegally proroguing parliament to shut down debate
43.Broke the record for the most parliamentary defeats in a day, then next day, broke it again
 44.Has been accused of 2 acts of sexual harassment. Entirely coincidentally, he has said
 investigations into accusations of sexual harassment were "spaffing money up the wall
45.Called himself The Hulk because he wanted to appear tough, then refused to take part in a press conference because he might be jeered at
46.Lied, on camera, about there being no press present when confronted by a distraught father in a hospital "
47.Said, on camera, that claims of death threats against female PMs were "humbug"
48.Days later, said, on camera, that he had never said "humbug"
49.His own brother resigned rather than work with him
50.His own sister says he is "highly reprehensible"
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 10, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
Maybe there needs to be a new look at education as the conservative party for all their private schooling and attendance at the best unis in the country, when presented with an open goal for over 3 years have fought over the ball and who is to take the kick.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 10, 2019, 09:29:32 AM
51 Johnson resisted Whitehall’s demands to leave his grace and favour residence for weeks after quitting as foreign secretary
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 12, 2019, 07:07:27 PM
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1181259274330214400
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 12, 2019, 08:00:55 PM
Interesting NNK.

But this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/stephen_latham/status/1181484954510860289
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 12, 2019, 10:06:22 PM
Interesting NNK.

But this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/stephen_latham/status/1181484954510860289

Indeed BST.
 
A couple of my friends yesterday referred to 'issues' within the 'hierarchy' of the EU, yet failed to see the parallels within the 'hierarchy' of our own government; and not just it's leader either!
 
As my Dad used to say, there's none so blind as them as can't see!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 14, 2019, 04:20:45 PM
''PM concludes his speech with a plea for 'fairness''

"Lets go with our vision for a Britain where fairness and balance are at the heart of what we do," he says

I always said johnson's a complete tw@t but he's always good for a larf.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 15, 2019, 09:00:41 AM
''I'll die in a ditch''

So are we expecting johnson a man of integrity, a man of his word our beloved PM to resign if the UK doesn't brexit on the due date?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 15, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
He has a way out, if he gets his deal he'll extend to get the technical bits through but not for long.

If he doesn't get a deal, it'll be forced extension then election.  Obviously for him if he gets a deal and it's voted down he's in a great place of saying get me a majority and Brexit's done in days...  The whole rationale of the opposition was that he didn't want a deal, he's proven that wrong but he's still got to actually do it (and it has to be sensible, but the limited sounds are that it might be).
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 15, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
In what way has he "proven that wrong"?

This is all about optics. It's about giving the impression of negotiating honestly so that you're well positioned when the blame is apportioned.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 15, 2019, 11:52:01 AM
I did say right at the beginning (day after Ref) that the vote was too devisive and eventually the Politicians would hand it back to the people so they (the Politicians) could blame the people

i.e. they had us under pressure for another vote and we have capitulated and b****r me - they have changed their minds

I'm not right yet of course
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 15, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
''I'll die in a ditch''

So are we expecting johnson a man of integrity, a man of his word our beloved PM to resign if the UK doesn't brexit on the due date?

Absolutely NOT unless he is pushed in that ditch by the Heathrow Bulldozers he said he would lie in front of

He had a nerve today pouring scorn on Bulgarian "racism" too after he came out with those (recorded) statements re ethnic minorities who live here


One bit of praise - I thought his Airport scheme in the Thames Estuary DID look a good idea. Nobody took that seriously unless it was a no hoper BUT they did do something similar in Hong Kong and that is working well as far as I know
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 19, 2019, 08:33:46 PM
LabourAgainstBrexit #FBPE‏ @Labour4EU

LabourAgainstBrexit #FBPE Retweeted Laura Kuenssberg

Shouldn't this start with "Despite me reporting this isn't going to happen for a month...."

PM confirmed to Tusk that letter is being sent tonight as per Benn Act seeking a delay - also speaking to Merkel and Macron
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 19, 2019, 09:35:17 PM
What's the score, how many times has johnson won a vote as PM in parliament? how many times has he lost?

And despite all the bull and bluster:

''Boris Johnson confirms he will seek Brexit delay, says Brussels

Donald Tusk says he is ‘waiting for letter’ that PM promised in phone call after Commons vote''

Johnson has confirmed in a phone call with the European council president Donald Tusk that he is sending a letter requesting a further Brexit delay beyond 31 October.

Despite the prime minister’s insistence that he would not “negotiate” a further extension of the UK’s membership of the EU, he confirmed on Saturday evening that he would be seeking such an extension.

“Waiting for the letter,” Tusk tweeted. “I just talked to PM Boris Johnson about the situation after the vote in the House of Commons.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/eu-will-grant-brexit-extension-if-johnson-sends-letter-says-brussels

So on the same day, within hours of saying he will not negotiate another extension he rings Mr Tusk and states the opposite.

Put your hands up if you would vote for this man or his party.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 19, 2019, 10:57:43 PM
So he sent the letter then. Anyone know where the ditch is he chose to die in? Or will that be another broken promise...

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1185661904427143171
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Campsall rover on October 19, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
What's the score, how many times has johnson won a vote as PM in parliament? how many times has he lost?

And despite all the bull and bluster:

''Boris Johnson confirms he will seek Brexit delay, says Brussels

Donald Tusk says he is ‘waiting for letter’ that PM promised in phone call after Commons vote''

Johnson has confirmed in a phone call with the European council president Donald Tusk that he is sending a letter requesting a further Brexit delay beyond 31 October.

Despite the prime minister’s insistence that he would not “negotiate” a further extension of the UK’s membership of the EU, he confirmed on Saturday evening that he would be seeking such an extension.

“Waiting for the letter,” Tusk tweeted. “I just talked to PM Boris Johnson about the situation after the vote in the House of Commons.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/eu-will-grant-brexit-extension-if-johnson-sends-letter-says-brussels

So on the same day, within hours of saying he will not negotiate another extension he rings Mr Tusk and states the opposite.

Put your hands up if you would vote for this man or his party.
He is trying to get Brexit done. Which is what the majority asked for. We had a referendum Sydney.
Yes over 3 years ago and all you anti Brexit lot who won’t accept the result of a democratic vote are doing everything to stop it happening. You call that democracy do you?
Prefer Corbyn would you. God help us all if he was PM. We will be running to the IMF in a matter of months if he tries to do what he says he will do.

I voted remain Sydney and i was on the losing side. I have accepted we will be leaving.
Democracy must win why can’t you understand that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 20, 2019, 07:38:43 AM
CR, he's only trying to ''get it done'' to save his own and his party's collective arses not for the country that much is clear to anyone that looks at the progression of negotiations to this point, the red lines the lies, one has to be 18yo to vote why do we have a child for PM?

''The prime minister sent three letters: an unsigned photocopy of the request he was obliged to send under the Benn Act, an explanatory letter from the UK’s ambassador to the EU and a personal letter explaining why Downing Street did not want an extension.

In the signed message, he warned of the “corrosive impact” of a long delay, and that “a further extension would damage the interests of the UK and our EU partners, and the relationship between us”. He said Parliament had “missed the opportunity to inject momentum into the ratification process” yet remained confident Brexit legislation would be passed by 31 October.''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/eu-will-grant-brexit-extension-if-johnson-sends-letter-says-brussels



Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on October 20, 2019, 09:58:23 AM
Wanting to leave with the best possible deal and one that brings the country together, not just appeals to the 52% is not undemocratic. It's sensible to not want us to crash out of the EU and have no access to medicines which people require to live. We're the ones who are patriotic as we want to keep the union together, not push away NI and piss off Scotland till they leave. We might be pro-European but we're also pro-UK.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 20, 2019, 11:30:51 AM
What's the score, how many times has johnson won a vote as PM in parliament? how many times has he lost?

And despite all the bull and bluster:

''Boris Johnson confirms he will seek Brexit delay, says Brussels

Donald Tusk says he is ‘waiting for letter’ that PM promised in phone call after Commons vote''

Johnson has confirmed in a phone call with the European council president Donald Tusk that he is sending a letter requesting a further Brexit delay beyond 31 October.

Despite the prime minister’s insistence that he would not “negotiate” a further extension of the UK’s membership of the EU, he confirmed on Saturday evening that he would be seeking such an extension.

“Waiting for the letter,” Tusk tweeted. “I just talked to PM Boris Johnson about the situation after the vote in the House of Commons.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/eu-will-grant-brexit-extension-if-johnson-sends-letter-says-brussels

So on the same day, within hours of saying he will not negotiate another extension he rings Mr Tusk and states the opposite.

Put your hands up if you would vote for this man or his party.
He is trying to get Brexit done. Which is what the majority asked for. We had a referendum Sydney.
Yes over 3 years ago and all you anti Brexit lot who won’t accept the result of a democratic vote are doing everything to stop it happening. You call that democracy do you?
Prefer Corbyn would you. God help us all if he was PM. We will be running to the IMF in a matter of months if he tries to do what he says he will do.

I voted remain Sydney and i was on the losing side. I have accepted we will be leaving.
Democracy must win why can’t you understand that.


CR I WILL accept that Referendum result which was a while ago as you rightly point out WHEN the Result of the 75 Referendum (a long time ago I agree but same principle applies) by the Tory MPs and their offspring I suppose who have beavered away over the years to get their own way

That result too save you looking it up was (roughly) 66% REMAIN 33% LEAVE giving a majority of 33% 0r roughly 8 times more than the one in 2016  produced

They never left that alone and yes I agree things change but they wouldnt leave it alone until Cameron gave in to them in an attempt to shut them up forever but that failed and we are in this mess

WE cant have it both ways imo - and for the record I voted Leave in 75 (so I was on wrong end of that result as well)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on October 20, 2019, 01:27:15 PM
The letter sent without a signature is contempt of Parliament at the very least
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 20, 2019, 01:36:34 PM
Dear Boris
 
We normally go on holiday every year to a nice four star hotel on the Costa Blanca, it's not the best hotel in the world and needs a little renovation which would make it so much nicer.  However, we saw a wonderful advert for a holiday at a five star beach front hotel on the Costa Del Sol. The advert said it was all inclusive, and that 'everything' was included including the premium wines, beers and spirits.  Access to all the entertainment for both ourselves and our children at absolutely no extra cost whatsoever.  Even the flights were included, in premium class to boot - and all for less money than we were paying at our usual hotel.  As their advert said, All Inclusive means All Inclusive.  So I checked with the family; my wife thought we should go to our usual hotel but the children, (and my cousin who won't be going on holiday with us anyway), said we should go to the the new place as it sounded wonderful. So we paid our deposit and were looking forward to a truly great time, a better holiday than we've ever had before.
 
However, we've now found that the advert was somewhat incorrect in what it appeared to promise.  The flights are with Ryan Air, and there are no premium class seats on the flight.  We also have to change in Dublin, and again in CDG in France - the connecting flights allow for only a small amount time to collect our bags and take them to the next check in. The five star hotel hasn't been built yet and they propose putting us in a local bed-and-breakfast place which is around two miles from the nearest beach; oh, and there are no buses either to the beach or into the nearest town which is three miles away - though taxi's are available at cost, which we will have to pay for along with the cost of lunch, evening meals, drinks and entertainment for the kids.
 
So, my question to you is this - should I ask the family if they still want to go on this holiday or cancel it and go back to our usual four star hotel as they still have rooms available; or should we just go on this holiday as that's what the majority voted for in the first place?
 
Yours Sincerely
 
A. Brexiteer.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 20, 2019, 01:41:35 PM
Sums up the attitude precisely NNT . We now know Brexit is sh1t , but it's what we voted for  :chair:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 20, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
The letter sent without a signature is contempt of Parliament at the very least

Take your pick :

Im taking my ball home
Im throwing my toys out of the Pram

or Im a pompous buffoon
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 20, 2019, 04:23:56 PM
No wonder the DUP were pissed off, rumours swirling around Whitehall say that johnson reneged on a promise with Arlene to get support, apparently  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 20, 2019, 04:33:47 PM
Who would have thought he would lie or rat on his promises ?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 20, 2019, 09:04:59 PM
Who would have thought he would lie or rat on his promises ?
You mean apart from the two wives he was unfaithful to and the lovechild he refuses to acknowledge?

It's an open and shut case that he's an initial liar. I'd just about accept that if he was REALLY good as a leader. Like JFK or Lloyd George.

Where's the evidence on him being any f**king use as a leader?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 20, 2019, 09:13:05 PM
We spotted a toddler running around the piazza today and commented he looked just like johnson, the man's a menace  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 20, 2019, 10:07:09 PM
Politicians lie and change their view often.  Plenty familiar faces in here.

https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE

Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on October 20, 2019, 10:23:58 PM
Politicians lie and change their view often.  Plenty familiar faces in here.

https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE

Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.

'Others are no better'?

If absolutely no-one is better than Boris Johnson we really are in the shit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 20, 2019, 10:28:10 PM
Please advise if I'm incorrect but these vids were made before the vote therefore before we knew of the corrupt process and the total mess made of the follow up by the non-inclusive tories. Changing your mind when you find out the truth is way different to changing your mind for political expedience.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on October 21, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
Politicians lie and change their view often.  Plenty familiar faces in here.

https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE

Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.

Changing your view based on facts and circumstances isn't lying.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 21, 2019, 01:15:59 PM

Jeremy Corbyn
‏Verified account @jeremycorbyn

Boris Johnson's trade deal with Donald Trump would see our NHS sold off to US corporations. Labour won't let this happen.

Tomorrow in parliament we were due to debate Johnson's harmful plans but he’s pulled it because he doesn't want his disastrous privatisation agenda exposed.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on October 21, 2019, 05:12:30 PM
Politicians lie and change their view often.  Plenty familiar faces in here.

https://youtu.be/mHZFICg6EIE

Note it doesnt at all excuse Johnson et al. But let's be clear others are no better.

'Others are no better'?

If absolutely no-one is better than Boris Johnson we really are in the shit.

You only need read his many other posts when BJ gets criticised, a clear Johnson apologist.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 21, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance.  Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 21, 2019, 08:48:02 PM
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance.  Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.
I agree that you are not a johnson supporter but to claim other parties or politicians are the same as this conservative party or johnson is just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 21, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Johnson and the Eton Toffs are in a league of their own in this department,  except for Trump  .

I've often told those of the ' don't vote - they are all bas**rds etc
then vote for the least worse

.
.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 22, 2019, 12:11:21 AM
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance.  Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.

BFYP

This is the cancer of the modern debate. Don't you see that?

We've had 40 years of bone idle "oh they're all liars" rubbish. And then when REAL liars like Trump and Johnson come along, we are anaesthetised to it.

Do you not see how dangerous that is?

You HAVE to call out denial of objective truth when it happens. Otherwise you're on the slope to losing democracy.

It is a simple fact that most politicians are NOT liars like Trump and Johnson are. They dissemble, they avoid, they evade. But they do not normally lie outright.

Johnson does and always has done. That is a different class of untruthfulness.

Point me to ANYTHING on "the other side" that compares to the one that Johnson did the other week. When confronted about using a hospital visit as a photo op his gut reaction was to deny there was press there. In front of the press.

Don't you see what that says? How his automatic reaction when put under pressure is to deny objective truth. And can you find me any politician on the "other side" who does that?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 22, 2019, 10:54:39 AM
It's gobsmacking that a court order was required to force Johnson into a position where he can't throw the toys out of the pram in his desire to wreck the UK but doubly so when a another court order is required to ensure he complies with the first one. Someone should give the baby a good smacking  :)


''Scottish judges have delayed a final ruling on whether Boris Johnson is in contempt of court to ensure he agrees to an extension to Brexit.

Lord Carloway, the country’s most senior judge, said they needed to be sure the prime minister did not try to block or sabotage the application he was forced to make on Saturday night for an extension to Brexit until 31 January.

The court’s decision, issued after a short hearing at the court of session in Edinburgh, means Johnson faces being held in contempt if judges rule he has failed to honour pledges made to court not to frustrate the extension process.''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/21/scottish-judges-delay-ruling-boris-johnson-contempt-of-court-case
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 23, 2019, 07:29:07 PM
ignore the foreign owned,  tax dodging,  right wing press, the tide has turned.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 23, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
You only have to read my posts to realise I dislike the guy. But I also dont like the lack of balance.  Dont pretend the other side are better they are not.

How Boris Johnson has turned lying and deception into his main (only)  policy and the mainstream media have fallen for it - and become willing participants in legitimising and spreading Downing Street's fake news.

By that nasty far left journalist Peter Oborne (formerly Daily Telegraph now Daily Mail).
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/
https://www.channel4.com/news/peter-oborne-downing-street-putting-out-fake-news

Johnson has now stopped even pretending to tell the truth
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-house-of-commons-a9167901.html

There is no balance here. It's not the Zinoviev letter v weapons of mass destruction. It is a deliberate policy of mass deception and propoganda on the British public. People are blaming Cummings but I dont think Steve Bannon is given the credit he deserves. You either fall for it or challenge it. End of.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2019, 02:27:29 AM
A song by Dave Mathews band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7kEJJ4-_KY
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
Halloween

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JfpF8U7fRs
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2019, 03:49:06 PM
The Labour leader hit out at the provisions in the Brexit bill which offer "no real protection".

And the Prime Minister ducked the crucial question about why he had moved workers' rights and environmental standards out of the legally binding withdrawal bill and into the political declaration.
The leaders clashed during a heated Prime Minister's Questions held minutes after a meeting between the two leaders over the parliamentary timetable finished without agreement.

It came after the Prime Minister's bill passed its crucial second reading but was halted in its tracks after MP's voted against

The PM decided to "pause" the legislation following the defeat of the programme motion. 

MPs refused to allow the PM to restrict scrutiny of bill to just three days in effort to meet 31 October deadline.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-cant-explain-workers-20705784

johnson, he just can't be trusted???????????????????????????
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 24, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
''If I win a majority in this election, we will then ratify the great new deal that I have negotiated, get Brexit done in January and the country will move on.”''

Stinking fish, come and get it.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 24, 2019, 09:46:51 PM
I dont regard myself as a "bright spark" by any means but why havent the Opposition Parties thought of saying :

You are trying to call a General Election and blaming us for running scared (particularly of the Result).

However we offer a counter proposal and that is - we will go through your Agreement or as you call it (absolutely exceptional deal) in a timely fashion and pass it. One condition -: If we DO pass it we would require a confirmatory vote to be put to the electorate

2 Questions only would be needed

1) Do you agree to accepting Johnsons (exceptionally good) deal and if yes we will leave the EU at the earliest possible time

2) Do you wish to Remain in the EU

That would then establish who is scared of what - and have the very great bonus that at last and at least the question of our EU Membership would be sorted for a generation or two
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 27, 2019, 03:22:30 AM
Jenni Russell, The NY Times:

''The simplest way to decipher what’s going on in British politics these days is not to believe a word that the prime minister says.
Whether he’s declaring that he’ll get Britain out of the European Union by next Thursday, “do or die,” or that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than ask the union for an extension, or that Parliament has already endorsed his deal — these significant and powerful political statements, delivered with what appears to be full-throated conviction, have all turned out to be lies.

That is the lens through which to see Mr. Johnson’s latest ploy: offering members of Parliament a few days longer to scrutinize his recently agreed upon deal with Europe, as long as they agree to hold a general election on Dec. 12.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/opinion/boris-brexit-conservatives.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

but what would jenni Russell know?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenni_Russell

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 27, 2019, 05:22:41 AM
this from the FT adds weight to the post above.

''The British government is planning to diverge from the EU on regulation and workers’ rights after Brexit, despite its pledge to maintain a “level playing field” in prime minister Boris Johnson’s deal, according to an official paper shared by ministers this week.

The government paper drafted by Dexeu, the Brexit department, with input from Downing Street stated that the UK was open to significant divergence, even though Brussels is insisting on comparable regulatory provisions.''

https://www.ft.com/content/5eb0944e-f67c-11e9-9ef3-eca8fc8f2d65

johnson must go by the rule 'never give a sucker an even break'

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 27, 2019, 10:16:02 AM
Yet, the latest poll this morning has the tories on 40%, 16 points ahead. Seems a bit high for me but he must be doing something right...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 27, 2019, 10:58:26 AM
When the media is 60-70 to 30-40 and don't challenge the rubbish he puts out and those that believe the yellow press without question it's difficult for the progressives to get the message passed the the far right wing. The only thing he's doing is corrupting British politics and fanning the flames of hate.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 27, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
Once again, Peter Oborne (a far right Tory who voted Leave but who has been horrified by the consequences) calls it bang right.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UKDemockery/status/1187167075820802048

A generation of lightweight "senior political editors" in the media are being ruthlessly played by Cummings.

The job of the media is to investigate and interrogate, to find truth and to provide it to the public in easy-to-digest mouthfuls.

Peston and Kuennsberg haven't got a clue how to do that.

So they get WhatsApp messages from Cummings and repeat them, as though they were Deep Throat.

It doesn't seem to dawn on them that Cummings is playing them. Getting his thoughts and tricks out to 10 million people in a few minutes, undiluted by critical journalistic appraisal.

If someone had told me 10 years ago that by the end of this decade, we'd be looking to a political writer in the Daily Mail to show us how political reporting should be done in a democratic society, because the BBC had lost its soul and it's professionalism ...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 27, 2019, 04:25:07 PM
Oborne is a lot more critical than that. Peston, Kuennsberg, Marr, Shipman all know they are being played but they continue to play the game so they get privileged access to No10 - and the viewers/clicks this brings.

Channel 4 refuse to play the game, are critical, and are refused access.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 28, 2019, 10:26:33 AM
good news and bad news.

Good news an extension has been granted by the EU so we won't Brexit on Thursday, the bad news .............. johnson will renege on his promise  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 28, 2019, 10:37:46 AM
They seek it here, they seek it there, those parliamentarians seek it everywhere.

Is it in heaven? Or is it in hell? That damned elusive Brexit bill.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on October 28, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
An old farmer was getting his hand stitched up after an accident at his farm.

He and the doctor start into conversation, which leads into politics and ultimately Brexit.

The old farmer explained, "Well, as I see it, some politicians are 'Post Turtles'."

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked what a 'post turtle' was.
 
The old farmer explained as best he could, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle on top, that's a 'post turtle.'

The doctor remained puzzled. The farmer continued further.

"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb arse put him there to begin with."
 
 
Sums up our PM perfectly.   :evil:
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 28, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
They seek it here
They seek it there
They just seek b****t anywhere

Will it go without a hitch
NOT with Johnson in a ditch
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 28, 2019, 11:42:03 AM
Star performer in all this time - the bloke who shouts STOP B****t every 2 minutes outside Parliament

Even manage to shut Mark Francois (MP) up
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 28, 2019, 12:34:48 PM
They seek votes her, they seek votes there
They seek votes f**king everywhere
And if with the result they don't agree
They seek to make it best of three.


But wait a minute that's not quite true
If they win the second vote, that will do
Forget the draw, the vote is new
let's just say it's the best of two!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 28, 2019, 12:54:21 PM
You were alive in 75
you could run a mile and still dance n Jive

Remain it voted 66
Leave just 33
No great outcry or tricks from likes of thee and me
but there was if you were a Tory MP
so a 2nd Remain now will still mean best of three !
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 28, 2019, 01:04:51 PM
But if results aren't being carried out
What is the point when they've got no clout?
Objecting is one thing, it's expected from the left
but you can't rejoin summet that you haven't yet left.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 28, 2019, 01:49:00 PM
BB no need for you to wear a frown
its me that needs a long lie down
Could have some beer in BVB
perhaps inviting bst ?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 28, 2019, 02:15:28 PM
If he's on his own that would be fine
but as for his clique, I draw the line
just his own thoughts, mind, no media shite
just him alone, with no Guardian in sight.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on October 28, 2019, 02:55:32 PM
"I'm Boris Johnson. I've not kept a single promise that I made to get elected PM. Vote for Me!"
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 28, 2019, 03:11:52 PM
Dear Guardian reader
Boris is our leader
Who are you to give him stick?
you're just one of Billy's clique
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on October 28, 2019, 04:50:31 PM
I cant sustain this thread
i'll just have to mellow
Im deffo no Poet
but im still a Long fellow
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 28, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
I didn't think Brexit could get any worse
but I have just caught up with today's posts
and they are all in verse...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 28, 2019, 05:16:17 PM
Poor old Wilts is on his jack's
in this the poet season
the only things his effort lacks
is any rhyme or reason.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on October 30, 2019, 11:54:46 AM
Grenfell :-

Boris Johnson shut 10 Fire Stations, cut 30 Fire Engines and 500 Firefighters..
When he was challenged about what the consequences were he said “OH!! Get stuffed” Tory Austerity cuts, cheap cladding Who’s to blame for Grenfell..Ask the Prime Minister..
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 31, 2019, 05:36:30 AM
Oh dear, just when I was starting to like him 😊

''Boris Johnson was aware there was a potential conflict of interest in his relationship with Jennifer Arcuri, the US businesswoman has claimed, on the eve of the publication of an inquiry into how she secured a £100,000 government grant.''

I suppose she would say that wouldn't she bp?

because:  _____ _____ _____ _____ 😃

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/boris-johnson-knew-of-potential-conflict-of-interest-says-jennifer-arcuri

Sorry I missed this gem in my rush to get the days news out:

''Arcuri, who went to business school with Hayes, was the co-director of his startup company Title X Technology. Arcuri told Bloomberg that she had told Johnson how upset she was at Hayes being prosecuted after his arrest in 2012. She recalls the then mayor saying: “Look Jennifer, the world is full of bad men, be careful.”''

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on October 31, 2019, 07:01:58 PM
You would have thought by now that Johnson's handlers would have realised that its not a good idea for him to meet members of the public - especially if they work in the NHS

https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1189968488439386119

the booing is better in this one

https://twitter.com/skwawkbox/status/1189938035271577601
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on October 31, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1189886692657905664
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on October 31, 2019, 08:40:30 PM
You would have thought by now that Johnson's handlers would have realised that its not a good idea for him to meet members of the public - especially if they work in the NHS

https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1189968488439386119

the booing is better in this one

https://twitter.com/skwawkbox/status/1189938035271577601

A trainee doctor working in a London hospital, what would she know? it's not privatization it's 'outsourcing' apparently  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on October 31, 2019, 08:40:55 PM
😂😂😂😂😂

https://youtu.be/W0pTpwqkB48
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2019, 09:52:50 PM
Anyway. I assume he'll be taking the pearl-handled revolver to a nearby ditch in the next couple of hours. I mean. It wouldn't be like him to go back on his word would it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 01, 2019, 01:40:50 AM
I don't think he's out of the ditch yet, better keep the derringer handy.

''Jennifer Arcuri: £100k grant was 'appropriate', says government report''

Findings labelled a ‘whitewash’ after failing to mention that friend of Boris Johnson moved to US

''The Government Internal Audit Agency (GIAA) launched a review after it was revealed that Jennifer Arcuri’s company, Hacker House, had been given the cyber-skills grant intended for UK-operating businesses in January even though she and her husband had relocated to California last year.

The report, published on Thursday by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport, makes no reference to the fact that Arcuri and her business partner husband, Matthew Hickey, live in the US. It was immediately labelled a “whitewash” by Labour’s deputy leader, Tom Watson.''

''In her application form explaining what her firm intended to use the funds for, Arcuri wrote that she wanted the cash to fund her “hands-on hacking” course “to build out the ‘Netflix of security’”.

In September, after it emerged that Hacker House was facing an investigation over its eligibility for the grant, the Guardian discovered that the company had hastily set up a new “virtual” office in London.''

ere wot's dat smell, I fink I'll apply for some dough (I missed out on the Royal Mail hand outs) as it appears your company doesn't have to be operating in the UK or explain in any detail what it does.

What was the money spent on? how many Britons were employed or trained?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/31/jennifer-arcuri-100k-grant-was-appropriate-says-government-repo



Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 01, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
Johnson delivers a rousing message to England Rugby team ahead of the world cup final tomorrow. England rugby stars deliver a much shorter message back:

https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1190381530138521601
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 03, 2019, 12:40:44 PM
I notice Johnson was on tv again this morning apologising for not leaving the EU on 31st October. Apparently this was due to the Benn Act.

The Benn Act passed through the HoC on 3rd-4th September. It was in the HoL on 5th September when Johnson gave his speech in Morley saying he would die in a ditch if we hadn't left the EU on 31st October.

So, did Johnson deceive the country on 5th September by telling people we would be leaving when he knew we wouldn't?

Or did he deceive the country this morning by saying it was the Benn Act that stopped us leaving when he had continued to say we would leave, in fact emphasised even more strong that we would leave, AFTER he knew the Benn Act would pass?

Or did he just change his mind again? He changes his mind a lot this Johnson bloke.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 03, 2019, 01:37:16 PM
Johnson delivers a rousing message to England Rugby team ahead of the world cup final tomorrow. England rugby stars deliver a much shorter message back:

https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1190381530138521601
he also said the same to corbyn
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on November 03, 2019, 04:50:15 PM
Johnson delivers a rousing message to England Rugby team ahead of the world cup final tomorrow. England rugby stars deliver a much shorter message back:

https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/1190381530138521601
he also said the same to corbyn

I wonder if Boris would have dared do it if England had been playing Wales instead of South Africa.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 03, 2019, 09:34:19 PM
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph were forced to print an apology due to one of their columnists claiming something that wasn't true. They didn't name the columnist who had made this false claim - but it would be fun to guess to who it was

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1190659076084109316

Spoiler alert - there is a reason I have posted this news is this particular thread
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 03, 2019, 10:50:25 PM
Never!

Surely not Johnson being paid by The Telegraph to lie? Who'd ever have believed that?

Oh aye. Apart from those of us who read him lying in The Telegraph 30 years ago about the EU.

Once a liar, always a liar. And there are folk with so little self-esteem, they are happy to vote for him, knowing damn well that they can't trust two consecutive words of his to be true.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 04, 2019, 10:55:54 AM
Juncker tips the bucket on Johnson? make sure your not in the splash zone  :)

''Boris Johnson lied during the EU referendum campaign, says Juncker

''In a valedictory interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel, Juncker voiced regret he had not countered the claims of the leave campaign in 2016. The commission decided not to get involved on the advice of David Cameron, who feared interventions from Brussels would backfire.

Juncker said that had been a big mistake, adding: “So many lies were told, including by current prime minister, Boris Johnson, that there needed to be a voice to counter them.”''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/04/juncker-boris-johnson-told-so-many-lies-in-eu-referendum-campaign


''If you are looking for evidence of lies and untruths told during the 2016 referendum, the Labour MP Richard Corbett has a good list on his website here''

https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/long-list-leave-lies/

PS it's a long list
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 04, 2019, 11:32:21 AM
If any of you got the tits and togger (ta bst) through the letterbox yesterday you may have already swallowed this with brekky  :)

''FAST AND FURIOUS Boris Johnson urges Sun readers to vote Tory and he’ll ‘bang Brexit through’

BORIS Johnson has revealed his “fast and furious” plan to get Brexit wrapped up by Christmas if he wins a decisive General Election victory on December 12''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10267938/boris-johnson-vote-tory-brexit/

More realistic (truth) is this:

''In an interview with the Sun on Sunday, Boris Johnson suggested that, in the event of the Tories winning the election, Brexit could happen by Christmas. The story started:

    Boris Johnson has revealed his “fast and furious” plan to get Brexit wrapped up by Christmas if he wins a decisive general election victory on December 12.

But the actual quote from Johnson was a bit less specific. He told the paper:

    We’ve got a deal that’s ready to go and if we can get it right with a new parliament we will move quickly.

    Our new MPs will come back the following day and we will bang it through. We’ll get Brexit done very, very fast and avoid another infinite period of dither and delay.

And, in practice, Johnson’s ‘Brexit by Christmas’ pledge will probably turn out to be as reliable as his “do or die” one to deliver Brexit by 31 October because it is very hard to imagine the Brexit agreement being passed before Christmas.

MPs will not be able to return to the Commons “the following day” after the election because the counting will not finish in some constituencies until late Friday. Then, when MPs do return to the Commons at the start of a new parliament, it normally takes a few days for them all to take the oath before any legislating can actually start. And even if Johnson were able to ram the withdrawal agreement bill through parliament before Christmas, the European parliament would also have to vote to rubber-stamp it for the UK to be able to leave on 1 January''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/nov/04/general-election-news-latest-health-chief-urge-parties-not-to-use-nhs-as-political-weapon-live-news

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on November 07, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
Well well well
 
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1192402249135333376
 
 
Who'd have though it....................
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 07, 2019, 05:46:19 PM
Well well well
 
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1192402249135333376
 
 
Who'd have though it....................

This is truly an outrage. We are being asked to pass judgement on a process and the PM is deliberately and unacceptably preventing us from seeing vital information about that process.

He'll win the GE, release this report then, there'll be an outcry, but there will be no way of stopping him ramming Brexit through.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 07, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
It turns out Boris Johnson's campaign launch really wasn't as big as it looked on TV

https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-tory-general-election-campaign-launch-size-birmingham-9188846
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 07, 2019, 07:00:59 PM
more of the same from dePfeffel Spaffwaffle

NEW: Boris Johnson says in Scotland...

1. Labour have done a deal with the SNP

2. They’d hold a referendum next year

Both of these claims are lies.

Can this man actually speak the truth ?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 07, 2019, 07:18:18 PM
YES of course I CAN  - says dePfeffel Spaffwaffle

Its just that nobody has noticed me doing it yet - again says dePfeffel Spaffwaffle

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 07, 2019, 07:25:34 PM
He would allow a new independent vote thou maybe not in a year so it’s only bending the truth😉
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Hounslowrover on November 08, 2019, 10:17:30 PM
Sheffield flooded yesterday, Doncaster and parts of South Yorkshire today, with warnings around Donny of serious dangers to life.  Also flooding in Derbyshire, so today he visits Matlock, why, even the BBC is live from Donny. I am not comparing the damage done to various areas, but interesting that Boris visits a constituency with a 60% Tory vote, they won't let him near voters who may have a go at him.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 08, 2019, 11:59:41 PM
Sheffield flooded yesterday, Doncaster and parts of South Yorkshire today, with warnings around Donny of serious dangers to life.  Also flooding in Derbyshire, so today he visits Matlock, why, even the BBC is live from Donny. I am not comparing the damage done to various areas, but interesting that Boris visits a constituency with a 60% Tory vote, they won't let him near voters who may have a go at him.


He’ll come when the water has gone down and deny there was ever any flooding
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 09, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
This.

Sweet f**king Jesus.

This lying Kitson is the PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/davies_will/status/1192809049601040386

He will say ANYTHING to please a room. There's a NI businessman here looking for answers about post-Brexit trade and this f**king idiot goes into a pissed-up attempt at being a cross between Churchill and a w**k comedian.

Just to try to impress the room.

Are you HONESTLY going to vote to have him as PM for 5 years?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 09, 2019, 12:31:46 AM
I am gobsmacked that people would vote for someone that has openly criticised the UK for years as a correspondent based in Brussels, gives the middle finger to the authority of parliament and the crown and would sell his soul in exchange for Russian gold pieces.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on November 09, 2019, 01:10:40 AM
Tory journalist Peter Oborne has set up a website dedicated to the lies of Johnson;
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Handy to keep tabs, as he lies so frequently that it is easier just to assume everything he says is made up.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 09, 2019, 06:07:15 AM
This.

Sweet f**king Jesus.

This lying Kitson is the PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/davies_will/status/1192809049601040386

He will say ANYTHING to please a room. There's a NI businessman here looking for answers about post-Brexit trade and this f**king idiot goes into a pissed-up attempt at being a cross between Churchill and a w**k comedian.

Just to try to impress the room.

Are you HONESTLY going to vote to have him as PM for 5 years?

no not HIM noe his wretched smirking Cabinet members (whoever they are today).

he is lying non stop and nobody seems to be a ) holding him to Account for it or b ) even caring whether he does it !

My only hope is a hung Parliament 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 09, 2019, 08:33:04 AM
This.

Sweet f**king Jesus.

This lying Kitson is the PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/davies_will/status/1192809049601040386

He will say ANYTHING to please a room. There's a NI businessman here looking for answers about post-Brexit trade and this f**king idiot goes into a pissed-up attempt at being a cross between Churchill and a w**k comedian.

Just to try to impress the room.

Are you HONESTLY going to vote to have him as PM for 5 years?

And then you see the front pages of todays newspapers, or the BBC website, and its as if this, THE reason given for having an election in the first place, never happened.

Weird. Or sinister?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on November 09, 2019, 10:14:48 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you; OUR Prime Minister....
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcTbWxVl-iM
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 09, 2019, 11:45:55 AM
Sorry Kato you can't give him away that easily, drunk, disorderly and lying who would want him.

Not if you paid me.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 05:13:06 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely party
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on November 09, 2019, 05:30:18 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely party

Blackpool,

I reckon you need to have some reliable data before agreeing with propaganda pieces from old enemies of Corbyn.

Here you go, some from a Jewish group;
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/check-evidence/

Looks to me like the Tories have much more of a problem with anti-semitism, as well as Islamophobia.

Check out the view of John Bercow, that Corbyn is not a racist. Also Baroness Warsi, who continues to battle with her party to investigate anti muslim bias.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BigH on November 09, 2019, 05:32:14 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely party
Another reason why Labour won't get anywhere near a majority.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 05:41:32 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-blunkett-labour-corbyn-antisemitism-party-column-a9196091.html?amp what a lovely party

Blackpool,

I reckon you need to have some reliable data before agreeing with propaganda pieces from old enemies of Corbyn.

Here you go, some from a Jewish group;
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/check-evidence/

Looks to me like the Tories have much more of a problem with anti-semitism, as well as Islamophobia.

Check out the view of John Bercow, that Corbyn is not a racist. Also Baroness Warsi, who continues to battle with her party to investigate anti muslim bias.most of the labour supporters on here quote the independent why is it not reliable?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on November 09, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
Blackpool,

Your Independent link is a recycled story from the Telegraph.

It is an opinion piece from a Corbyn opponent. It is an election stunt to distract from the policy debate.

It doesn't give any evidence, and does not address the data in the link I gave.
It does not look at the allegations of discrimination and racism in other parties, nor the incidence of both across society as a whole.

Here is a timeline of Corbyn supporting the Jewish community;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193163297157197830

The article  you posted contains no new information, and recycles old stories simply to discredit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 09, 2019, 06:27:09 PM
Fascinating that some people cant tell the difference between the enemies of a political leader putting out smear stories in the press to give them negative coverage - and what a political leader says and does which deserves negative coverage.

Or maybe rather than can't they won't.

You think this charlatan has your best interests at heart?

Doncaster and other flooded areas do not deserve extra government help and it is definitely not a national emergency. Go tell that to the hundreds of people of people who have had their lives and possessions ruined.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-weather-public-urged-to-stay-away-from-swollen-rivers-amid-extensive-flooding-11857056
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 09, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
Quote
Fascinating that some people cant tell the difference between the enemies of a political leader putting out smear stories in the press to give them negative coverage...

Like...err...let me think.

Like Thatcher saying her greatest legacy was Blair, for example?

Surely, she wouldn't ever have considered saying that to chuck a hand grenade into her opponents' ranks, eh?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 09, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
Well Tony Blair agreed with it. So did Gordon Brown, commentators at the time and historians since.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-22073434/tony-blair-my-job-was-to-build-on-some-thatcher-policies

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/margaret-thatchers-legacy-spilt-milk-new-labour-and-the-big-bang-she-changed-everything-8564541.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/1999/apr/20/labour.labour1997to99

https://economicsociology.org/2018/03/19/thatcherisms-greatest-achievement/

There are a few people who want to re-write history though, hmmm.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 07:28:44 PM
Blackpool,

Your Independent link is a recycled story from the Telegraph.

It is an opinion piece from a Corbyn opponent. It is an election stunt to distract from the policy debate.

It doesn't give any evidence, and does not address the data in the link I gave.
It does not look at the allegations of discrimination and racism in other parties, nor the incidence of both across society as a whole.

Here is a timeline of Corbyn supporting the Jewish community;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193163297157197830

The article  you posted contains no new information, and recycles old stories simply to discredit.
maybe so
Albie it’s just like so many of Sydney’s links that he shares with us like the one from the sun but I didn’t see any labour voters on here questioning his link?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on November 09, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
The Sun is only credible when it suits!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 09, 2019, 07:44:03 PM
Blackpool,

Your Independent link is a recycled story from the Telegraph.

It is an opinion piece from a Corbyn opponent. It is an election stunt to distract from the policy debate.

It doesn't give any evidence, and does not address the data in the link I gave.
It does not look at the allegations of discrimination and racism in other parties, nor the incidence of both across society as a whole.

Here is a timeline of Corbyn supporting the Jewish community;
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193163297157197830

The article  you posted contains no new information, and recycles old stories simply to discredit.
maybe so
Albie it’s just like so many of Sydney’s links that he shares with us like the one from the sun but I didn’t see any labour voters on here questioning his link?

Thanks bp you're spot on again why would those from the left dispute a list of facts which is exactly what they are a genuine list of destructive policies from the nasty party and its clingons and you not only most likely didn't even read the whole list you cannot point to a single one and say it's not true and neither can anyone else.

Be my guest knock yourself out prove me wrong.  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 09, 2019, 07:45:20 PM
The Sun is only credible when it suits!

It's not like it used to be, the sun doesn't shine any more.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 07:59:23 PM
Nasty party doesn’t wash mate even people in the Labour Party question now the bullying and anti Semitic views of there own party is that. It a nasty party?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 09, 2019, 08:24:10 PM
Maybe you only read your own post thoroughly bp but what has been said is that if any still exists it is being addressed but the conservatives haven't yet done a thing about their problem they've just put it off, made a promise if you like and you know what Johnson's promises are worth, we all know that don't we. Happy hunting  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 08:27:32 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-50360863 Yes I see it has vanished
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 08:28:13 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50338256 That’s 2 in a day or so
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 08:29:46 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-corbyn-general-election-jewish-affiliate-boycott-leadership-a9178326.html
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on November 09, 2019, 08:32:11 PM
Emily Thornberry”no 1 can pretend there is not a on going problem with anti Semitic in the Labour Party” apart from Sydney of course😘
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 09, 2019, 08:43:48 PM
Proven my point bp thanks  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 09, 2019, 10:33:03 PM
Wilts

I'm struggling to see the point you're trying to argue.

If you're saying that Labour failed utterly when trying to confront Thatcherism from a moderate-to-far-ish Left position from 1983-1992 and moved a long way to the right in reaction to the searing experiences of defeat after defeat, I agree with you entirely.

If you're saying that Blair was a move too far to the right, I agree with you entirely. As I've said, I left the Labour party because of that. But yeah, you carry on telling me I'm a Blair apologist and ignoring the actual content of what I'm saying.

In practical terms, of course Thatcher won. That's bleeding obvious. If you like, then yes, Blair was the consequence of the fact that the Labour movement and party had been battered by Thatcher.

That said, the original point being addressed here was the facile claim from the Left (repeated by BB, oddly, almost as if...) that Blair's Govt might as well have been Tory. You oiled in with the Thatcher quote as if that clinched the argument. I've given you a list of policies that Blair's Govt instituted that no Tory Govt would have ever done. I note that you haven't addressed any of those. Your choice, but it does make me question your bona fides on this point.

If you're wanting to play counterfactuals saying positioning Labour a long, long way to the left of Blair would have resulted in a Labour Govt in the late 90s, you're away with the fairies, and pretending the previous two decades didn't happen.

Which brings us to the key question for anyone on the Left.

What would you have preferred in 97? A Blair Govt of a Major Govt?

In 2001? Blair or Hague?

In 2005? Blair or Howard.

For me, the answers are bleeding obvious, but it amazes me how rarely you hear someone from the left fringes of the Labour party answer them.

But those are the key questions. That was the reality of the situation. That was the choice we had, and a big part of the reason that was the choice was the fact that the Left had aided Thatcher in destroying the credibility of a much more left-leaning Labour party. And the current representatives of the Labour Left that f**ked up so badly in the 1980s, and left the working class defenceless against Thatcher, are the first to stick the boot in to Blair.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 09, 2019, 11:02:32 PM
Billy I'm not the one trying to make a point, you are. You appear to be arguing with yourself.

BB posted something to wind you up (trolling I believe the young people call it) you bit.

I have given you a bit of factual history and a well known comment for your perusal. You can take that exactly how you wish.

I have no interest in discussing Tony Blair or the ins and outs of the Labour Party in the 1990's - other than to point out that he was a moderate as Macmillan and Heath who would not recognise how far right their party has gone today - as I am far more interested in the current election than 1997.

If you want to get back to me after 12th December I would be happy to debate it with you.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 09, 2019, 11:27:38 PM
Wilts

I'll chalk you up as yet another person from the Left refusing to answer the question of whether they'd have preferred Blair to Howard.

Fascinating. You have no interest in discussing Blair...except the several times that you've done precisely that in this thread. And in that last post, where, once again, you ignore the facts that Macmilland and Heath would not and did not increase funding to the NHS like Blair did, or bring in civil partnerships like Blair did. Which makes your claim to place Blair alongside them, simply daft.

I also note that, despite you not being interested in discussing Blair, you were quick to wade in with an accusation that i was a Blairite social democrat despite my numerous comments about leaving the Labour party because of Blair, and agreeing with the vast majority of Corbyn's domestic policies.

I know that everyone has the right to decide what they do and don't want to talk about, but equally, people have the right to draw conclusions from what people don't say. I've met many people on the Left who have told me straight that they didn't see any difference between a Blair Govt and a Major Govt. I guess I'll have to put you down as one who doesn't really think that, but doesn't want to admit that he doesn't.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on November 10, 2019, 07:37:12 AM
Isn't this thread symptomatic of some labour views?  Anti semitism.  For me there is an element disgracefully of it being used to score points.  However the labour party has an issue with the  volume of these stories that cannot be denied.

But many appear in labour to use the same excuses.  Smear campaign, tory stories, labour mps working for the tories, paid by Israel etc.etc.  These things are typical and do nothing to stop what is an actual problem clearly.  How far does it go before we see hate crimes on Jewish people or physical assaults?  Rather than come up with excuses just stamp it out completely.  Zero tolerance, yet are we seeing that happen?

As I said before those who point score with it in the press are no better. It stokes up something that can become an issue very easily. History has taught us this before.  The fear has to be that some of the young impressionable people will see Jewish people as the problem and that is very very dangerous, not necessarily deliberately but by accident.

Note, the same.thing applies to any form of racism etc in any walk of life. No excuses and zero tolerance.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 10, 2019, 08:42:41 AM
To ensure this is not stirring the pot bfyp then I think it is your responsibility to supply some evidence so it can be debated in a reasonable fashion, unless that is you're too busy right now  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 10, 2019, 09:08:56 PM
dePfeffel Johnson made two separate blunders during today’s Remembrance Sunday service at the Cenotaph in London. First Johnson – mind seemingly wandering , looking like he had had a fight with a Flymo– set off before his turn to place a wreath at the monument; then he placed it upside down in a show of ceremonial disrespect.

The Establishment broadcasters appear to have ignored Johnson’s actions entirely – in stark contrast to the blanket coverage that would have followed had it been Corbyn.

But a sharp-eyed SKWAWKBOX reader spotted that by this point Johnson had already shown disrespect to the memory of fallen servicemen and women.

During the silence at 11am, as other political leaders stood still in remembrance, Johnson’s eyes, head and attention were wandering all over the place

If Corbyn had done any one of the things Boris Johnson did today, the media would not stop repeating it for a week or more – every half hour at least.

But Boris Johnson’s indiscipline and disrespect has apparently prompted nothing but profound silence among broadcasters , and of
course the right wing press,
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on November 10, 2019, 10:09:28 PM
Oh don’t worry mate, you have highlighted it all.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 12, 2019, 08:00:26 AM
Are you going to vote for Johnson who employs the man that gave us Brexit, that will give us no-deal and stopped the North East Assembly in its tracks with a whole lot of lies?

''Dominic Cummings honed strategy in 2004 vote, video reveals

North-east campaign pitted people against politicians and pledged cash for NHS''

Now where have I heard that before?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/12/dominic-cummings-honed-strategy-2004-vote-north-east
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Metalmicky on November 12, 2019, 03:36:33 PM
dePfeffel Johnson made two separate blunders during today’s Remembrance Sunday service at the Cenotaph in London. First Johnson – mind seemingly wandering , looking like he had had a fight with a Flymo– set off before his turn to place a wreath at the monument; then he placed it upside down in a show of ceremonial disrespect.

The Establishment broadcasters appear to have ignored Johnson’s actions entirely – in stark contrast to the blanket coverage that would have followed had it been Corbyn.

But a sharp-eyed SKWAWKBOX reader spotted that by this point Johnson had already shown disrespect to the memory of fallen servicemen and women.

During the silence at 11am, as other political leaders stood still in remembrance, Johnson’s eyes, head and attention were wandering all over the place

If Corbyn had done any one of the things Boris Johnson did today, the media would not stop repeating it for a week or more – every half hour at least.

But Boris Johnson’s indiscipline and disrespect has apparently prompted nothing but profound silence among broadcasters , and of
course the right wing press,

I'm not a fan of BJ - but auntie seems to like him............ I didn't see it myself (I was on parade and paying my respects) but they apparently showed footage from another year to cover up the buffoons 'performance' on Sunday...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1193850734518951936

BBC Breakfast
@BBCBreakfast
This morning on the programme we incorrectly used footage from a Remembrance Day service that was not filmed yesterday.

This was a production mistake and we apologise for the error.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 12, 2019, 08:52:14 PM
The Clash! On his party political broadcast tonight he has said his favourite group was The Clash f**king unbelievable! Joe Strummer should haunt him every minute of every day!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 12, 2019, 08:59:38 PM
 I'd like to force No Deal on the nation
When I put the commons into prorogation

your the worst PM, that we've ever had
He fought the law and the law won

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0pTpwqkB48
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 12, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
I bet he loved these lyrics

White youth, black youth
Better find another solution
Why not phone up Robin Hood
And ask him for some wealth distribution
Punk rockers in the UK
They won't notice anyway
They're all too busy fighting
For a good place under the lighting
The new groups are not concerned
With what there is to be learned
They got Burton suits, ha, you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money
All over people changing their votes
Along with their overcoats
If Adolf Hitler flew in today
They'd send a limousine anyway
I'm the all night drug-prowling wolf
Who looks so sick in the sun
I'm the white man in the Palais
Just lookin' for fun
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 12, 2019, 09:26:24 PM
Jonny Marr was brilliant after that puffy faced non-entity Cameron had a Smiths song in his Desert Island Discs list.

Marr said "I forbid you to like The Smiths".
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 12, 2019, 09:27:34 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/johnny_marr/status/10237162679177216?lang=en-gb
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 13, 2019, 07:35:15 AM
Just waiting for JRM to announce he was a massive fan of The Specials now 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 13, 2019, 12:07:40 PM
nice to see dePfeffel Spaffwaffle getting the reaction he deserves.

effectively told to F@ck Off

https://twitter.com/i/status/1194575266452004864

will the BBC 'accidentally' splice some different footage in later ??
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 13, 2019, 12:12:14 PM
In fact , if you look at it

Boris Johnson visits North since
PM

-Stainforth: ‘I don’t want to meet you. What are you doing here?’

-Leeds: ‘Please leave my town’

-Doncaster: ‘You’ve a cheek coming here. People have died because of austerity’

-Rotherham: ‘Get back to Parliament and sort out the mess’
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on November 13, 2019, 04:31:34 PM
In fact , if you look at it

Boris Johnson visits North since
PM

-Stainforth: ‘I don’t want to meet you. What are you doing here?’

-Leeds: ‘Please leave my town’

-Doncaster: ‘You’ve a cheek coming here. People have died because of austerity’

-Rotherham: ‘Get back to Parliament and sort out the mess’







Crikey foxbat, you get around quite a lot.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 13, 2019, 06:30:30 PM
Boris Johnson's flooding failures make Jeremy Corbyn look credible as PM

In the Yorkshire Post! The Yorkshire Post! Apparently he refused to do an interview with them too.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/boris-johnson-s-five-flooding-failures-make-jeremy-corbyn-look-credible-as-pm-finally-visits-doncaster-tom-richmond-1-10101111
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 13, 2019, 06:37:43 PM
I bet he loves visiting Yorkshire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1194628421982158850
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 13, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
Ushered him out of the back door when a bloke heckled him in Stainforth Resource centre, and on Stainforth bridge a woman was far too polite when basically telling him to f**k off, he looked a bit bewildered that no one seemed fussed about him being here
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 13, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
Looks a bit out of his comfort zone here

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1194694105013608455
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 13, 2019, 09:50:56 PM
Biggest thieves in the Country them

https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1194583963492397058
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 13, 2019, 09:54:05 PM
"Why has it taken you 6 days to come here?"

"Well, ahh, yes...err...I was up in Derbyshire last week."

Yes. You were you pathetic excuse for a man. You were there spending 30 seconds in a disgusting photo-op, pretending to mop up with a witless f**king gurning grin on your face. Because that was your first instinctive response to folk having their lives tipped upside down.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on November 13, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
Looks a bit out of his comfort zone here

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1194694105013608455







Interesting tweet there too by Pike about Corbyn lack of comment on his Brexit position.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 13, 2019, 09:59:33 PM
Stop and have a think.

What do you reckon his reaction was to this when he was safely out of the view of the cameras and the microphones?

What do you reckon he thinks of these people who have publicly told him what they think of him?

Bear in mind that he, the leader of the Party of Business, responded in private to concerns from business leaders about Brexit with "f**k business."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/8075e68c-7857-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

That's how he responds to criticisms from people on his side.

What do you reckon he REALLY thinks about folk in Donny who have been flooded out of their homes?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on November 13, 2019, 10:30:24 PM
Stop and have a think.

What do you reckon his reaction was to this when he was safely out of the view of the cameras and the microphones?

What do you reckon he thinks of these people who have publicly told him what they think of him?

Bear in mind that he, the leader of the Party of Business, responded in private to concerns from business leaders about Brexit with "f**k business."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/8075e68c-7857-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

That's how he responds to criticisms from people on his side.

What do you reckon he REALLY thinks about folk in Donny who have been flooded out of their homes?

I take your point BST. It reminds me of Gordon Brown when questioned by a woman about her genuine concerns over immigration. He waited until he was away from her before uttering "bigoted woman".

Just saying.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 13, 2019, 10:50:51 PM
Again you have to consider whether it is an isolated incident, granted, not nice to hear or is it DNA, will he do anything if he gets in? can you take the man at his word, what is his word worth?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 13, 2019, 11:25:17 PM
SS
Yes, and for that, Brown got crucified.

What was lost in the foment was reason WHY Brown said that.

He'd just spent 5 minutes talking with her about policy issues, answering questions as she raised issue after issue. Treating her courteously and as an intelligent human being. Then she suddenly moved onto immigration and said "All these Eastern Europeans coming over here. Where are they flocking from?"

I'd have reacted like he did, because she's goading him. And using classic racist language that dehumanises the immigrant. Turning them into a "flock" not individual humans.

He didn't bat an eyelid. He tried to carry on treating her courteously and discussing with her. Then he blew off in the car. And he was right. She WAS out of order using language like that.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCTr8IVWBuPE&ved=2ahUKEwjYruzap-jlAhXTesAKHd0hAEEQo7QBMAB6BAgAEAI&usg=AOvVaw30BvYTEXWotp0zXaZ6gJXk

Go and watch the full video.

The response he was hammered for didn't come from a basic lack of human decency. Quite the opposite. A fundamentally moral a decent politician whose life work was based on serving the working classes, have a string of poorly formed criticisms chucked at him, and responding with frustration when he thought he was in private.

Not really the same as a politician f**king a mistress and lying about it to his boss, making a career of lying in the press until he gets caught, conspiring with a Bullingdon Club mate to have a journalist beaten up or being shooed away from difficult encounters with the public by his minders because he's unable to respond with more than vague hand gestures.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 14, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
Johnson proves once again that he's really down wid da haps of dat Northern part o da country.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chad.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-pledges-to-return-to-mansfield-and-ashfield-to-address-unanswered-questions-1-10099047/amp

Speaking to the Mansfield Chad, he promises to visit the town, saying, "I can't wait to get back up to Derbyshire..."

Remember that media savvy Johnson who controlled the agenda and had folk eating out of his hand? I reckon he's been kidnapped and replaced by Theresa May in a big fat Boris Johnson fancy dress outfit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 15, 2019, 09:04:18 AM
I have watched the Tory Party in action for 50 years plus and they have their agenda of course

Some PMs have put it over in a more humane way (even though you knew they were still doing "it") and some gave the attitude that we have a majority and we are going to use it

I have however never seen anybody in the PM position that looks so out of place - so indicisive - so wishy washy - so inept (looking and acting) as the current incumbent. He seems to be the classic "see his cogs whirring" as he is speaking and promises what he thinks the people want to hear (either a single interviewer or when meaning the population).
This morning on BBC Breakfast he looked out of his depth with Naga Munchetty doing the interview so is he truly the best they can do ?
(Yes I realise this will be open to ripostes about Jeremy Corbyn who I dont rate either BUT I am talking about Johnson being so inept himself)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 15, 2019, 09:21:37 AM
TBF - I have always given him credit for proposing the mega Airport situated in the Thames estuary. A huge and brilliant vision with 4 runways that would have been great had anyone listened.

There credit where it was due - it worked for Hong Kong anyway
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 15, 2019, 09:28:33 AM
The HK airport is built away from HK Island and away from where most people live, it's about 40min on a v-fast metro, sticking an airport in the river means a whole lot of noise especially as it reflects off the water. I live under a flight path and even with a rotating take off/landing schedule plus a curfew it gets on your tits a bit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 15, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
Probably true - as I live beneath the DSA Flightpath and notice most planes of which there are few so multiplied up that would be a problem especially if you are nearer the Airport that I am to this one

I just wanted to be balanced and give him that credit - although it may have been chucked out by the "experts" for being rubbish
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 15, 2019, 08:28:16 PM
In the 2017 Diane Abbott was slaughtered for forgetting the figures relating to a policy she was announcing during a radio interview.

Today Johnson was hopelessly wrong on the figures relating to a major policy (he said the ratio of non-EU to EU immigration was 50:50 - it isn't and hasn't been for years its 80:20 - the new Tory immigration policy being announced only yesterday) during a combined radio/tv interview.

Where are the howls of outrage? What might differentiate between the black female politician and the former old Etonian that explain this?

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1195283962874224640

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 15, 2019, 10:48:57 PM
misrepresentations and lying due to johnson & trump is the new normal for the hard right and the media expects it and it is part of Cummings strategy, right or wrong flood the airwaves with anything but don't allow them to talk about labour. Corbyn announces a policy to extract money from tax evading companies to pay for urgently needed infrasructure that would boost efficiency of business but were talking about a man that struggles to dress himself.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 16, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
So, while Johnson was being pressed hard by blunt but intelligent questions in Donny this week, the media in their obsession for "balance" dug around for whatever they could find as an equivalent for Corbyn.

And they found this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/skynews/status/1194595607073185793


Turns out yet man wasn't any old constituent. He is (or WAS until they kicked him out yesterday) a church minister with a track record of pouring out racist and homohobuc insults on social media..

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18037052.reverend-richard-cameron-no-longer-scotstoun-primary-chaplain/

But hey. Johnson was given a hard time so the media had to show someone slagging Corbyn too...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on November 16, 2019, 04:00:47 PM
So, while Johnson was being pressed hard by blunt but intelligent questions in Donny this week, the media in their obsession for "balance" dug around for whatever they could find as an equivalent for Corbyn.

And they found this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/skynews/status/1194595607073185793


Turns out yet man wasn't any old constituent. He is (or WAS until they kicked him out yesterday) a church minister with a track record of pouring out racist and homohobuc insults on social media..

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18037052.reverend-richard-cameron-no-longer-scotstoun-primary-chaplain/

But hey. Johnson was given a hard time so the media had to show someone slagging Corbyn too...

It's what's known as balance BST. It's for people like me who aren't partisan and blinkered.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 16, 2019, 04:16:50 PM
But it's not"balance" is it SS.

One is genuine people discussing things rationally. The other is a bigot shouting and rawping.

It's like climate change debates on the news. They always have 1 from each side. If it were balanced, they'd have 99 climate change researchers who DO think it's happening and 1 climate change denier. THAT would be balance because that is about the ratio of opinion among experts.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on November 16, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
But it's not"balance" is it SS.

One is genuine people discussing things rationally. The other is a bigot shouting and rawping.

It's like climate change debates on the news. They always have 1 from each side. If it were balanced, they'd have 99 climate change researchers who DO think it's happening and 1 climate change denier. THAT would be balance because that is about the ratio of opinion among experts.

Nigel Farage had a milk shake thrown all over him by a bigot. You didn't seem to mind that being reported.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on November 16, 2019, 06:04:06 PM
So, while Johnson was being pressed hard by blunt but intelligent questions in Donny this week, the media in their obsession for "balance" dug around for whatever they could find as an equivalent for Corbyn.

And they found this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/skynews/status/1194595607073185793


Turns out yet man wasn't any old constituent. He is (or WAS until they kicked him out yesterday) a church minister with a track record of pouring out racist and homohobuc insults on social media..

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18037052.reverend-richard-cameron-no-longer-scotstoun-primary-chaplain/

But hey. Johnson was given a hard time so the media had to show someone slagging Corbyn too...

It's what's known as balance BST. It's for people like me who aren't partisan and blinkered.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA_fbwqWkAAY8-P.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 16, 2019, 06:13:51 PM
A lying conniving nasty piece of work

https://youtu.be/d-Xrz2L9SUw
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on November 16, 2019, 06:37:36 PM
I'm not sure Sidney will change his habit of a life-time and start to look out of the window when he can get all the truth he needs from the Guardian.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 16, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
The irony of that comment is, I'm guessing, lost on you BB.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on November 16, 2019, 07:54:11 PM
I suspect you often are guessing, BST.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 18, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
One thing to think about should the Tory's win is how long will johnson remain as PM or in fact in parliament if he is found wanting by any of the enquires held back till after the result is known.

The Arcuri affair is slowly dragging him down and being a supporter of Putin and communism is not going to help him.

Although him being dumped shortly after the election would be seen by many on the tory side as a manna from heaven  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 18, 2019, 11:46:56 PM
"'Johnson’s Brexit would devastate business – the CBI must be hoping that he’s lying

Why would anyone in business vote for Boris Johnson? His pretend courting of the CBI and others is another of his one-night stands. Just now, what he needs are the votes of “Labour leavers”, not capitalist remainers. So at the CBI conference on Monday he fobbed off the latter with Johnsonian lies''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-brexit-devastate-business-cbi-lies

Simon Jenkins aye, what would he know?

Sir Simon David Jenkins FSA FRSL is a British author and a newspaper columnist and editor. He was editor of the Evening Standard from 1976 to 1978 and of The Times from 1990 to 1992. Jenkins chaired the National Trust from 2008 to 2014. He currently writes columns for both The Guardian and the Evening Standard. Wikipedia
Born: 10 June 1943 (age 76 years), Birmingham, United Kingdom
Award: Knight Bachelor
Spouse: Hannah Kaye (m. 2014), Gayle Hunnicutt (m. 1978–2009)
Children: Edward Jenkins
Education: Mill Hill School, University of Oxford, St John's College, Oxford

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 18, 2019, 11:57:05 PM
That's Simon Jenkins who, although he voted Remain in 2016, was very much a Brexit supporter immediately after the vote when no bugger knew what it meant.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/brexit-britain-property-bubble

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/simon-jenkins-brexit-wouldn-t-harm-london-and-could-help-reform-the-eu-a3187276.html

He's changed his mind as the evidence has come rolling in. It's bizarre to see just how many folk have hardened THEIR minds as the evidence has come in.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 19, 2019, 12:21:13 AM
Hindsight should be a compulsory university course  :)

"The EU has morphed into a protectionist, lobby-dominated cartel. The cost to London housing of senseless EU building regulation, says my builder, is in the order of 20 per cent — plus VAT. EU labour laws are a conspiracy for joblessness. The safety of our buses, the quality of our air and the pollution of our rivers should be our business, as electors not passive subjects of a distant power''

Added

Excerpt from bst link
 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 19, 2019, 12:56:46 AM
FFW three years and move away from intellectual w**k over hypothetical "powers" and onto the practical effects of how many jobs are going to be lost and how much poorer we are going to be.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 21, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Here's a point. I hadn't thought of this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dorianlynskey/status/1197273636484341760
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 21, 2019, 07:13:35 PM
I thought the idea was that Johnson would come across better to the public than Corbyn.

So why is he chickening out of a debate on C4?

https://mobile.twitter.com/louisa_compton/status/1197563760988299266
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 21, 2019, 08:07:47 PM
Already said he wont participate in the BBC full party debate
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-bbc-debate-2019-boris-johnson-replaced-rishi-sunak-1303850

and is yet to confirm attendance at a Channel 4 debate on climate change

Plus some disquiet among journalists at his refusal to have a proper press conference - or do interviews

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1197519906142654464

aint nobody here but us chickens....
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 27, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
Johnson sprinkles his magic dust on voters again:

I normally vote conservative but I can't bear the buffoon

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1199751971177160705

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 27, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
Interesting.

Looks like Cummings is having a panic that he won't be PM for much longer.

https://dominiccummings.com/

t**t that he is, I see he's doing dog-whistle racism again to stir the troops.

In 2016 he was responsible for pouring lies into gullible folks' Facebook feeds about 80 million Turks being on the verge of getting the right to move in next door to you.

Now he's hammering on about how them bas**rd Remainers will give the vote to foreigners if Johnson doesn't win.

I've never subscribed to Nye Bevan's description of Tories as being lower than vermin. But I'll make an exception for that odious, dangerous Kitson.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 28, 2019, 11:28:00 AM
Well this is lovely int it?

This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp


This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."

"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."

And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on November 28, 2019, 11:29:57 AM
Love people who are born into money then look down on others.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 28, 2019, 11:57:00 AM
DO
Well, apparently there's thousands of working class folk round here who do appear to love him. It's truly bizarre. Wilfully giving power to someone who utterly despises you.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: MachoMadness on November 28, 2019, 12:45:43 PM
British culture has an odd self-loathing streak where you're compelled to doff your cap to your betters. It's how f**king idiots like Rees-Mogg keep getting elected.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
Well this is lovely int it?

This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp


This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."

"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."

And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.






BST, as you know, I am not a big fan of Boris (I was going to put BJ but that wouldn’t be true) but that article quotes what he said in 1995.

Now then, you yourself have often said that people usually only read the headline and the first few lines of an article so I guess you are banking on people doing that here.

I am guessing that many people might have a different view of some things to what they did 24 years ago.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 28, 2019, 01:01:02 PM
Well this is lovely int it?

This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp


This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."

"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."

And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.






BST, as you know, I am not a big fan of Boris (I was going to put BJ but that wouldn’t be true) but that article quotes what he said in 1995.

Now then, you yourself have often said that people usually only read the headline and the first few lines of an article so I guess you are banking on people doing that here.

I am guessing that many people might have a different view of some things to what they did 24 years ago.


But when Corbyn’s past is brought up, people are happy to use that as a stick to beat him with!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 28, 2019, 01:07:04 PM
Hound.

He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
Hound.

He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?





No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on November 28, 2019, 01:37:30 PM
Well this is lovely int it?

This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp


This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."

"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."

And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.






BST, as you know, I am not a big fan of Boris (I was going to put BJ but that wouldn’t be true) but that article quotes what he said in 1995.

Now then, you yourself have often said that people usually only read the headline and the first few lines of an article so I guess you are banking on people doing that here.

I am guessing that many people might have a different view of some things to what they did 24 years ago.


But when Corbyn’s past is brought up, people are happy to use that as a stick to beat him with!







Yep, true Filo.
But they get told in no uncertain terms that it was something from his past and not relevant anymore.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 28, 2019, 02:53:03 PM
Hound.

He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?





No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.

You have plenty of evidence that he continues to write insulting and derogatory articles about plenty of groups.

He's called gays "bum boys". He's described Muslim women as looking like letterboxes. He's insulted the people of Liverpool over Hillsborough, saying they wallow in victimhood. He talked about cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. He described as "humbug" a speech from a female MP who described abuse and death threats.

How much do you need?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on November 28, 2019, 06:49:16 PM
Well this is lovely int it?

This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp


This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."

"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."

And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.

The clue is in that penultimate sentence BST. The Tories are not going to win Northern working class seats, the Labour Party are going to lose them; big difference there.

The Labour Party have only themselves to blame. They can't sneer at their own voters and then expect them to still vote for them.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on November 28, 2019, 07:40:27 PM
Well this is lovely int it?

This is how our PM made his name on the Right. Writing articles like this one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-branded-children-single-20977406.amp


This is what he thinks of working class men.
"...likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hope- less, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment."

"If he is white collar, he is likely to be little better."

And the Tories are going to win Northern working class seats. Enough to make you weep.

The clue is in that penultimate sentence BST. The Tories are not going to win Northern working class seats, the Labour Party are going to lose them; big difference there.

The Labour Party have only themselves to blame. They can't sneer at their own voters and then expect them to still vote for them.

Spot on.  People dont want to vote tory, but they dont want to vote labour even more.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 28, 2019, 08:25:46 PM
Climate Change is an existential threat to the world, what will Johnson do, awol :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 29, 2019, 07:00:10 AM
Thats why Johnson failed to turn up to the Leaders debate on Climate change C4 yesterday - and was replaced by a melting block of ice in the shape of the Globe

He tried to send his Dad and Gove but they were not let in (Greens had Deputy Leader there*) . Gove instantly threw a spin saying " we are here ....blah blah blah ... yet  we are being stopped from debating the most important issue facing us by Corbyn and Sturgeon and Swinson who wont debate with us"
* Gove was refused entry to the Debate because he was not a Leader whereas the Green Party had their Deputy Leader there. Farage didnt show at all

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 29, 2019, 09:48:14 AM
Point of fact.

The Green Party's CO-Leader, not Deputy took part.

Michael Gove in his perpetually coked-up state doesn't seem to remember that he twice stood for the Tory leadership and lost.

But to be serious, the Tories knew exactly what they were doing last night. Intimidating a national broadcaster. Just imagine the uproar if Corbyn had threatened to revoke the BBC's licence because if his mauling by Neil.

But Gove was happy with his night's work. So happy, he appeared to be pleasuring himself.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hannah_RM/status/1200115214236213248

Bizarre body language.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on November 29, 2019, 10:23:06 AM
Hound.

He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?





No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.

You have plenty of evidence that he continues to write insulting and derogatory articles about plenty of groups.

He's called gays "bum boys". He's described Muslim women as looking like letterboxes. He's insulted the people of Liverpool over Hillsborough, saying they wallow in victimhood. He talked about cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. He described as "humbug" a speech from a female MP who described abuse and death threats.

How much do you need?

What did he have to say about Canabalism in Papua New Guinea?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 29, 2019, 10:26:43 AM
Point of fact.

The Green Party's CO-Leader, not Deputy took part.

Michael Gove in his perpetually coked-up state doesn't seem to remember that he twice stood for the Tory leadership and lost.

But to be serious, the Tories knew exactly what they were doing last night. Intimidating a national broadcaster. Just imagine the uproar if Corbyn had threatened to revoke the BBC's licence because if his mauling by Neil.

But Gove was happy with his night's work. So happy, he appeared to be pleasuring himself.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hannah_RM/status/1200115214236213248

Bizarre body language.

What you need to ask yourselves is why has he turned up with a microphone on and a camera crew in tow, obviously they already knew he would n’t be allowed on and he set it all up to make C4 look bad, it did n’t work and the public saw straight through it
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 29, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
Hound.

He was already in his 30s then. He wasn't a precocious 12 year old. Do you have any evidence that he's changed his mind on these things?





No of course not, but then again I have no evidence that he hasn’t.

You have plenty of evidence that he continues to write insulting and derogatory articles about plenty of groups.

He's called gays "bum boys". He's described Muslim women as looking like letterboxes. He's insulted the people of Liverpool over Hillsborough, saying they wallow in victimhood. He talked about cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. He described as "humbug" a speech from a female MP who described abuse and death threats.

How much do you need?

What did he have to say about Canabalism in Papua New Guinea?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5327984.stm
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on November 29, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
Some of you guys want people like this in.

https://twitter.com/SouthActonGirl/status/1200361519097303040?s=19
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on November 29, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
Some of you guys want people like this in.

https://twitter.com/SouthActonGirl/status/1200361519097303040?s=19


The contempt for the working class is there for all to see
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 29, 2019, 12:11:03 PM
Spaffwaffle  threatening Channel 4’s broadcasting licence is his most Trumpian move yet
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on November 29, 2019, 12:33:07 PM
Some of you guys want people like this in.

https://twitter.com/SouthActonGirl/status/1200361519097303040?s=19


The contempt for the working class is there for all to see

Let's not forget

"the modern British male is useless" "If he is blue collar, he is likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment"
Boris Johnson, the spectator 1995

I do my best to vote on the issues but some of these people have contempt for us.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 29, 2019, 12:36:53 PM
... also his tirade against single mothers was reprehensible (tell his Dad I could spell it) .... and yet he must have fathered several sprogs to some ladies who were probably single

So that's a conflict of interest / or very contrary is it not pinochio pinnockeye - oh porcupinio LIAR its easier
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on November 29, 2019, 01:28:14 PM
What 100 Tory Special Advisers were terrified might happen … just happened.

Forgetting he was being filmed, Boris Johnson caught begging Nick Ferrari, LBC ,
to get off the subject of Social Care, as he was dying on his @rse.

This is another #GE2019 pivotal moment, savour it.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 29, 2019, 10:23:50 PM
Sir David Attenborough calls Johnson 'shameful' for not being prepared to debate climate change.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1200477059350446080
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on November 29, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
What 100 Tory Special Advisers were terrified might happen … just happened.

Forgetting he was being filmed, Boris Johnson caught begging Nick Ferrari, LBC ,
to get off the subject of Social Care, as he was dying on his @rse.

This is another #GE2019 pivotal moment, savour it.

I heard that Nick Ferrari interview, the best bit was the single mum ringing up and asking Johnson how he dare criticise her and her children when he wont even say how many he has.

He also said that Doncaster flood victims will all be getting £5k each (which he also said on the ITV debate). A bloke from Worksop rang the next programme and said he is lying again it's only £500.

As it says here. https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,boris-johnson-offers-floodhit-homes-500-recovery-grant_34132.htm

Now if Diane Abbott had got her figures wrong about that there would have been an outcry
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BigH on November 29, 2019, 10:36:02 PM
DO
Well, apparently there's thousands of working class folk round here who do appear to love him. It's truly bizarre. Wilfully giving power to someone who utterly despises you.
I think it's called Stockholm Syndrome isn't it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 29, 2019, 10:40:55 PM
Bentley syndrome ?  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 30, 2019, 12:02:13 AM
That's an excellent point Wilts.

When Abbott had that excruciatingly bad interview about police costs, and got her numbers hopelessly wrong, the media thrapped off over it for days. There's folk on here still bringing it up.

Johnson gets a number wrong by a factor of 10 and no-one gives a shit.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 30, 2019, 12:10:34 AM
I said in a recent post that Johnson's handlers we're keeping him away from proper I review scrutiny because he is I famously f**king useless at preparation and detail.

Exhibit A.

https://mobile.twitter.com/juniordrblog/status/1200397093199917056
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 30, 2019, 07:45:23 AM
Sturgeon makes a great but obvious point, this get Brexit done bullshit is only the withdrawal agreement (something johnson should learn  :) nothing apart from negotiations to sell off the NHS have started.

He's already talking about propping up great British business struggling following Brexit. Why will they require propping up? Maybe it's the extra paperwork, duty and customs that will have to be paid for to export to our nearest neighbours Ireland and the other 26 countries that make up the EU.

And maybe that's why the tory party have never bothered with anything much outside of London bar the miners strike and the poll tax because we are all considered feckless, criminal and drunk  :)



 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on November 30, 2019, 08:59:25 AM
What 100 Tory Special Advisers were terrified might happen … just happened.

Forgetting he was being filmed, Boris Johnson caught begging Nick Ferrari, LBC ,
to get off the subject of Social Care, as he was dying on his @rse.

This is another #GE2019 pivotal moment, savour it.

I would hope you are right but most of the people have already decided

Johnson is telling lies consistently - he is often floundering around as he seems incapable of relating to ordinary people (95% of the Country) and yet enough people will vote for him anyway either because they cant or wont see those lies or they see them but will forgive what they see to meet or get their own ends 

Its democracy in action. One vote each Im afraid
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on November 30, 2019, 09:08:31 AM
https://www.facebook.com/TheDailyPolitik/videos/350392299059113/
 
And people actually think this clown is fit to run this country?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on November 30, 2019, 09:37:27 AM
Like I say. Infamous in Govt circles for being unprepared, not absorbing his briefings (that James Bond thing...Jesus!) and being bored by detail.

Still. We took back control, eh?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 30, 2019, 10:05:24 AM
He's barely in control of his large intestine  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on November 30, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
But surely, Sydney, he must have an iron grip on his sphincter to be so totally full of shit?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on November 30, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
Happy to be corrected on that score Pies  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 01, 2019, 12:06:02 AM
Healthline:

"Pathological lying, also known as mythomania and pseudologia fantastica, is the chronic behavior of compulsive or habitual lying.

Unlike telling the occasional white lie to avoid hurting someone’s feelings or getting in trouble, a pathological liar seems to lie for no apparent reason.

 Defining a pathological liar

A pathological liar is someone who lies compulsively. While there appears to be many possible causes for pathological lying, it’s not yet entirely understood why someone would lie this way.

Compulsive lying is also a known trait of some personality disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder. Trauma or head injuries may also play a role in pathological lying, along with an abnormality in hormone-cortisol ratio.

A 2016 studyTrusted Source of what happens in the brain when you lie found that the more untruths a person tells, the easier and more frequent lying becomes. The results also indicated that self-interest seems to fuel dishonesty.

 Takeaway

How to empathize and cope with a pathological liar comes down to an understanding of what may be causing this person to lie while being supportive.

It’s likely that the lying is a symptom of another issue that can be treated. Encourage them to get the help they need.

https://www.healthline.com/health/pathological-liar
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bpoolrover on December 01, 2019, 01:39:41 AM
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/obsessed
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 01, 2019, 11:11:17 AM
Johnson on the Marr programme:

'Yes, the prison service has collapsed. And the probation service. And the courts. And the police. And the NHS. And social care. And schools. And libraries. So vote for us, the people who did that'

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1201080583050452992
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 01, 2019, 11:48:04 AM
Johnson has been accused of ‘copying and pasting’ a very lengthy tweet by The Secret Barrister providing an explanation around the events on Friday. Not only did he plagiarise it, he also passed it off as his own!

The secret barrister has now had to write a blogpost rebutting the lies spouted by a Johnson yesterday.

Yet another example of his utter contempt for the truth.

Of course, his fans won’t care.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 01, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
I reckon getting him on Andrew Neil will just about finish him off
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: The Red Baron on December 01, 2019, 12:39:00 PM
I reckon getting him on Andrew Neil will just about finish him off

After his showing today against Marr, who is no Rottweiler, I dare say Johnson's handlers will keep him well away from Neil. I think they'll take the charge of being "frit" rather than see Johnson eaten for breakfast.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 01, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
I’m currently in twitter jail for telling someone Boris Johnson was a Kitson 25 years ago and he’s a Kitson today 😳😳😳😳

I reckon the Tories control twitter now 😀😀😀
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 01, 2019, 06:37:44 PM
Look at him when an awkward question gets put to him, frantically looking over to his spin doctor for help. He’s not going to do that interview is he?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50620692/election-2019-boris-johnson-pressed-over-andrew-neil-interview
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 01, 2019, 08:12:42 PM
Look at him when an awkward question gets put to him, frantically looking over to his spin doctor for help. He’s not going to do that interview is he?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50620692/election-2019-boris-johnson-pressed-over-andrew-neil-interview
Nope, he reminds me of Vicky Pollard off Little Britain, yeahbut,no but,don't worry in less than 12 days secret Agent Jezza and Dianne will have accomplished their mission and a Tory majority Government will be in Power!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 01, 2019, 09:19:48 PM
Johnson claimed “there are 400,000 fewer children in poverty than there were in 2010”.
Reality

The prime minister is wrong.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation says there has been a “rising tide of child poverty” under the Conservatives.

Although relative child poverty initially fell from 3.9 million in 2009-10 to 3.6 million in 2011-12, it has since skyrocketed to 4.1 million according to government statistics.

In terms of absolute poverty, a tougher measure of low income, child poverty dropped from 3.9 million to 3.5 million in 2016-17 – which could be the 400,000 Johnson refers to. However, that figure is out of date: absolute child poverty surged by 200,000 in a year to 3.7 million in 2017-18.

According to the Resolution Foundation thinktank, child poverty is at risk of rising to a record 60-year high under the Conservative manifesto plans, because it bakes in benefit cuts imposed over the past decade.

They're only Kids, they'll grow out of it  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 01, 2019, 10:25:34 PM
I’ve been released from twitter jail and found this great big lie from Johnson

Boris Johnson told #MarrShow the Queen's Speech - which set out his plans for government including a bill to prevent automatic early release of prisoners - had been "blocked by Parliament"
This is wrong. It passed by 16 votes
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on December 02, 2019, 07:15:26 PM
https://www.businessinsider.nl/boris-johnson-said-britain-poorest-chavs-losers-criminals-addicts-burglars-2019-11?international=true&r=US

The working class
Single mothers
Muslims
Black people
Gay men
20% of the population

The next prime-minister has genuine disdain for you. Genuine disdain. He believes inequality is down to natural intelligence and therefore unfixable. The next prime minister.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 02, 2019, 07:39:16 PM
Careful Copps, you'll have the Johnson apologists out in force, attacking him like that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: GazLaz on December 02, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
I was out for a family meal on Saturday and two of the attendees were a former senior figure in the Met. Police and his wife. We loosely touched on politics and Mrs Plod said “I love Boris I think he’s really funny”. I replied “if that’s the criteria for running the country Peter Kaye should be in the job” (I don’t even think he’s funny but we were in Bolton!!)  Anyway.... what hope have we got when people think like that. 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 02, 2019, 08:26:26 PM
About as much chance as Rovers at Gillingham in FA Cup

Its so depressing especially when "years ago" pulling stunts like he has and he would be "laughed out of Town"

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 03, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
Meanwhile our glorious leader has accepted an invite to be interviewed by those bastions of political debate & argument Phillip Schofield and Holly Willouby!! He must have forgotten about Andrew Neil!!

And yet seemingly sane and otherwise intelligent people consider this clown to be fit to run our great country?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 03, 2019, 08:43:20 PM
How bizarre

How bizarre, how bizarre

Ooh its driving me crazy .... every time I see that Clown

Every time I see that Clown

How bizarre

How bizarre, how bizarre
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: tommy toes on December 03, 2019, 09:05:15 PM
I was out for a family meal on Saturday and two of the attendees were a former senior figure in the Met. Police and his wife. We loosely touched on politics and Mrs Plod said “I love Boris I think he’s really funny”. I replied “if that’s the criteria for running the country Peter Kaye should be in the job” (I don’t even think he’s funny but we were in Bolton!!)  Anyway.... what hope have we got when people think like that. 

Aye. Two of Mrs Toes' best women friends both love Johnson because he's charming and has a cheeky grin and will vote for him.
She tries to educate them but they're not interested in politics.
That's what we're up against.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BigH on December 03, 2019, 09:36:57 PM
Peter Oborne, former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph and a proper old school Tory is chronicling BJ's lies:

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Worth a read. A serious, fact-checked Tory journalist calling out an unserious, lie-based Tory journalist.





Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on December 03, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
I was out for a family meal on Saturday and two of the attendees were a former senior figure in the Met. Police and his wife. We loosely touched on politics and Mrs Plod said “I love Boris I think he’s really funny”. I replied “if that’s the criteria for running the country Peter Kaye should be in the job” (I don’t even think he’s funny but we were in Bolton!!)  Anyway.... what hope have we got when people think like that. 

Aye. Two of Mrs Toes' best women friends both love Johnson because he's charming and has a cheeky grin and will vote for him.
She tries to educate them but they're not interested in politics.
That's what we're up against.







The thing is though TT, in Doncaster (and other a Labour heartlands) most voters would vote for anyone who stood as a Labour candidate, irrespective of how good or bad he was.
No different really.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 03, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
Peter Oborne, former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph and a proper old school Tory is chronicling BJ's lies:

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Worth a read. A serious, fact-checked Tory journalist calling out an unserious, lie-based Tory journalist.

Agree H, good journalists will not stoop to writing rubbish just to satisfy a need for content and the Guardian will hire good journalists that write the truth.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 03, 2019, 09:50:01 PM
Hound.

Not so in Don Valley this time. Or Rother Valley come to that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on December 03, 2019, 10:00:19 PM
If that is the case BST, then I guess a big part of the reason could be the Brexit conundrum.
Those people who voted to leave will be wanting to make sure it goes ahead.
Maybe Labours stance on having a second referendum were they to win the GE isn’t good enough for them, given that a second referendum might just have a different outcome.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 03, 2019, 10:36:52 PM
Hound.
1) That's a non sequitur. We were talking about seats around here being forever Labour. I'm saying they're not. So this tired old line about another Labour vote just being...blah, blah...is just that. Tired and old. And wrong.

2) But ok. I'll address your point. Wouldn't it be shit for those who wanted Leave if it actually turned out that the country didn't actually want to leave at all when we found out what it meant? What an utter outrage against democracy eh? Having a vote!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on December 03, 2019, 10:54:48 PM
On point one, the Brexit situation could be a reason for people not voting Labour, it could well be.

On point two, brexiteers are desperate for there not to be a second vote, they are running scared.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 03, 2019, 11:08:26 PM
Point 1 wasn't about REASONS. It was about the fact that those seats (for whatever reasons) are currently believed to be marginals. So that old line about voting being pointless doesn't apply any more.

Point 2. I agree.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 04, 2019, 06:54:15 AM
.... AND as I ventured elsewhere SURELY Flint should be a cert ?

Labour Leave Voters will surely remember with affection how she has firmly fought for them in HOC to uphold what her constituents had voted for in Ref16 ..... and those (very very reluctantly to the power of 100 should do it) like me who voted to Remain and still want to Remain and dont want to split the Remain Vote - because I am hoping the Leavers in Don Valley WILL remember her position in the latter throes of this Parliament
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 04, 2019, 10:15:23 PM
The utter contempt that Johnson holds for those planning to vote for him.

Johnson made claims that children of working mothers in low-income families were “unloved and undisciplined” and more likely to “mug you on the street corner”, it has emerged.

In a 2006 collection of journalism, entitled Have I Got Views for You, Johnson bemoaned the increasing tendency of women to work, saying they had been “socially gestapoed into the workplace”.

“In the last 30 years an ever-growing proportion of British women have been ‘incentivised’ or socially gestapoed into the workplace, on what seems to me to be the dubious assumption that the harder a woman works the happier she will be, when I am not sure that is true of women or anyone else,” he wrote.

Are you from a family where your mother worked, johnson is doubting your mother's ability to be able to do that and help rear the family. What a twisted f**k he is.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/04/boris-johnson-claimed-children-of-working-mothers-more-likely-to-mug-you
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 05, 2019, 07:02:47 AM
.... and amazingly he leads in the Polls

He keeps racking up the insults and the lies but voting as we do "Presidentially" he has (it seems) more that find him more appealing than Jeremy Corbyn

It should not be this way but unfortunately it is. We should not Vote for personalities but for Policies (and also remember history) but we dont - so I am preparing for grief in the very near future - then the medium term - and then more than likely in the long term
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on December 05, 2019, 08:29:19 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Here here.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wing commander on December 05, 2019, 08:38:59 AM
Donnywolf frankly I'm amazed that your amazed.it's been obvious for sometime,that Corbyn isn't liked by the British people,if Labour would have had a different leader we wouldn't even be talking about Bj.The only people he appeals to is the under 24's,the far left and the membership and that isn't even going to get close to making him pm...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: idler on December 05, 2019, 08:41:56 AM
The daft thing is that the poorer a family is the more likely a woman would need to work.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 05, 2019, 11:17:07 AM
"Johnson apologises for article comparing women wearing burqas to letterboxes''

But he's ok they have taken him in for observation  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 05, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
Donnywolf frankly I'm amazed that your amazed.it's been obvious for sometime,that Corbyn isn't liked by the British people,if Labour would have had a different leader we wouldn't even be talking about Bj.The only people he appeals to is the under 24's,the far left and the membership and that isn't even going to get close to making him pm...

Ha ha - yes - but you need not have been amazed as I have known for "ever" Corbyn is not popular and in fact is the proverbial millstone around Labours neck

There is a huge split in the Party and that will easily facilitate the Pinocchio Party gainin most Seats


I did post the other day but cant remember where a Tweet I saw last week which said :

Meanwhile in a Parallel universe David Milliband beat his Brother to become Labout Party Leader and none of this resultant s**t happened
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: tommy toes on December 05, 2019, 12:34:19 PM
I went out canvassing last night and I'm afraid Corbyn is the reason I got for those not voting Labour.
One bloke told me he was a lifelong Labour voter and trade unionist but couldn't now due to Corbyn.
I asked him why, he said he didn't believe a word he said and was voting Tory. ( For the liar in chief)
Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 05, 2019, 01:41:58 PM
That’s Avery sad indictment on today’s Labour Party I do hope it happens as they then need to take a long hard look at the party and get rid of the Momentum idiots and bring back some sanity.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: tommy toes on December 05, 2019, 03:39:58 PM
Yes and no sproty.
I agree that Labour should have had a more electable leader, however the constant drip drip of negative info from the overwhelming majority of the media is bound to have an effect and any other Labour leader would have had the same thrown at him or her.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on December 05, 2019, 03:48:47 PM
https://www.facebook.com/boycassette/videos/724062801417517/
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 05, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
I take it people saw the Johnson interview on Peston last night?

If you didn't it is worth 15 mins of your time to find out why he doesn't actually know what 'get Brexit done' means and how many times Peston says 'you know that isn't true'

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1202549557307072512
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
Another interview he’s ducking


NEW: ITV News has just told me Boris Johnson will NOT be taking part in an interview with Julie Etchingham

ITV said: "Every other leader of Great Britain's main political parties that has been approached has done an interview for Tonight" @julieetchitv
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 05, 2019, 06:22:43 PM
Yes and no sproty.
I agree that Labour should have had a more electable leader, however the constant drip drip of negative info from the overwhelming majority of the media is bound to have an effect and any other Labour leader would have had the same thrown at him or her.

Yes but they are the main opposition party and they have some very good people on board,Caroline Flint. Dan Jarvis are 2 local ones that instantly spring to mind,there just seems to be several fringe groups which have now got a great deal of power and they are all pulling in different directions to different Agendas. 20 years ago you would never have dreamt that the Labour Party would have problems with Diversity!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 05, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Carolin Flint!??? CAROLINE f**kING FLINT!!!!!!!!!!???????????
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on December 05, 2019, 06:49:25 PM
Carolin Flint!??? CAROLINE f**kING FLINT!!!!!!!!!!???????????

What, because she's backed 17.4 million of us, including 5 million Labour supporters? Also, I should remind you that she's representing a Donny constituency. Donny voted 69% for Brexit.

Are you getting the picture now?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 05, 2019, 08:34:13 PM
This is how to do it.

If Johnson won't attend an interview with Neil, run the interview questions without him.

This needs to be seen by everyone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1202670854410297344
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 05, 2019, 08:39:17 PM
This is how to do it.

If Johnson won't attend an interview with Neil, run the interview questions without him.

This needs to be seen by everyone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1202670854410297344

Quite right. Anyone who’s tempted to vote for Boris should watch this. Devastating.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 05, 2019, 08:49:46 PM
This is how to do it.

If Johnson won't attend an interview with Neil, run the interview questions without him.

This needs to be seen by everyone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1202670854410297344

Quite right. Anyone who’s tempted to vote for Boris should watch this. Devastating.

They’ve even given him the questions so he can be prepared
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 05, 2019, 08:56:44 PM
Donnywolf frankly I'm amazed that your amazed.it's been obvious for sometime,that Corbyn isn't liked by the British people,if Labour would have had a different leader we wouldn't even be talking about Bj.The only people he appeals to is the under 24's,the far left and the membership and that isn't even going to get close to making him pm...

I'm 30 and he appeals to most of people I know around my age too. I'd probably say he appeals to people who don't read biased media, i.e. newspapers and can tell what is and isn't fake news.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: scawsby steve on December 05, 2019, 08:59:38 PM
I thought, according to some of you, that the BBC are biased against the Left?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 05, 2019, 09:02:22 PM
This isn't about left and right SS. I'd expect them to do the same to any party leader who refused to be put in the spotlight. It shows an utter contempt for the electorate, and frankly, it shows a total lack of bottle.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 05, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
It shows what a chicken shit Johnson is, AN is right if he can't face him how will he deal with world leaders?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 06, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
https://twitter.com/matthewchampion/status/1202905450787823618?s=19
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 06, 2019, 11:30:58 AM
''The leader of the Scottish National party, Nicola Sturgeon, has tweeted in response to Johnson’s comments that people of colour entering the country should be “democratically controlled”.''

She said: “And the Tories claim that their obsession with immigration is nothing to do with race. This is a shocking – and very revealing – comment.”

He's finally snapped, he's mad  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 06, 2019, 11:32:00 AM


    David Wearing (@davidwearing)

    Try and understand why many people of colour are genuinely fearful of Johnson and the Tories. The racist speech is sinister and dangerous enough, but from Prevent to the Hostile Environment and Windrush they are mobilising all the resources of the state against us https://t.co/iBLxz3qJik
    December 6, 2019

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 06, 2019, 12:13:40 PM
Even Johnson's not that batshit. It's a subtitling mistake by C4. He said "people of talent". C4 have apologised.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 06, 2019, 03:28:05 PM
His Dad (now disappeared) has not apologised for suggesting people were thick as they could not spell Pinocchio

Pompous out of touch / eff you jack / elitist git
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on December 06, 2019, 03:34:57 PM

I’ve listened to 3 times this morning before the storm blew up and made it a matter of opinion, I heard “colour” clearly, and “talent” would not have made sense in that sentence about restricting immigration anyway, look at the context!

It sounded like 'colour' to me, butut hard to check now that Channel 4 have taken it down. Couldn't they have just said 'there's disagreement about what he's saying - make your own mind up?'
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on December 06, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
Even Johnson's not that batshit. It's a subtitling mistake by C4. He said "people of talent". C4 have apologised.






Good of you to correct that BST.
Otherwise some people might have believed that the tweet was correct, like SR did.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on December 06, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
The Independent@Independent


Boris Johnson's Brexit envoy to US resigns with furious attack on government
 'peddling half-truths'
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on December 06, 2019, 04:15:56 PM
BBC Politics

Andrew Neil issues a challenge for Boris Johnson to commit to an interview with him, to face questions on why people have “deemed him to be untrustworthy”
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 06, 2019, 04:43:40 PM
He's said "yes"
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on December 06, 2019, 05:13:23 PM
Sometimes Boris Johnson’s unusual representations of the truth – what are sometimes impolitely termed “lies” – hide in plain sight, so to speak.

His years as a journalist have endowed him with the capacity for the most brazen, floridly outrageous statements, and he has developed a rare capacity to deliver them with a straight face and without a hint of blushing.

So after the most acrimonious Nato summit anyone can recall, insults flying and deep strategic differences openly on display, Mr Johnson confirmed the alliance to be “rock solid”, its soon-to-be-30 member states sheltering beneath its “giant shield of solidarity”.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 06, 2019, 09:08:50 PM

I’ve listened to 3 times this morning before the storm blew up and made it a matter of opinion, I heard “colour” clearly, and “talent” would not have made sense in that sentence about restricting immigration anyway, look at the context!

It sounded like 'colour' to me, butut hard to check now that Channel 4 have taken it down. Couldn't they have just said 'there's disagreement about what he's saying - make your own mind up?'

why did the audience laugh at that point? I'm not sure why they laughed but if he'd said talent there's no reason.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 06, 2019, 09:29:54 PM
At the end of the debate where 'lies' were discussed johnson's main point let's get brexit done is just another lie.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 06, 2019, 09:33:07 PM
When that question came up about trusting politicians to tell the truth, Johnson was smirking as he answered.

He's revelling in it. And apparently 40% of our compatriots don't really give a f**k about his compulsive and incessant lies.

He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 07, 2019, 06:14:49 AM
We will see for I fear we will soon see

Then when his compulsion to lie and lie and lie will be shown as true and probably the NHS will go in its present format - and there will be 6 revamped hospitals - we will still have immigration and anything else he has promised

Oh here is one. Stop the export of live animals - sending them thousands of miles to die when they could be killed here (still not ideal) and shipped frozen to the end user. That will be stopped - he says it again and again

Once in power someone from Cumbria Wales Scotland will say that will ruin us and he will say ok we will continue letting you ship theses poor creatures and we will review it. There ends that story and thats how lots of things will go under the carpet

If I am right lots of the people who cant see the lies and threat will realise they have "fallen for it" BUT not all of them
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 07, 2019, 07:57:33 AM
If as a kid if I'd have brought a 'friend' into the home that lied about pretty much everything my parents would have gone ballistic and I'd have been read the riot act.

If you vote conservative you risk bringing this thug into your lives your children's lives, your home, your kids schools and of course your hospital.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 07, 2019, 08:17:52 AM
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.

I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.

Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 07, 2019, 08:20:18 AM
The simple difference here though bfyp is that johnson lies is a liar a reknowned liar and has form as a liar.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BigH on December 07, 2019, 09:17:18 AM
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.

I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.

Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.
You've probably touched on the possible silver lining to all this BFYP.

Johnson, Gove, Patel and co will get to own Brexit in all its glory; theirs and theirs alone. They will have no one else to blame for the catastrophe that will unfold.

Labour will get rid of Corbyn and McDonnell. So long as they don't replace them with another bunch of serial losers they mighty actually end up with a credible, electable leadership (although I'm not holding my breath).

So, by the time of the next election in 2024 we might have a situation where Johnson et al have been well and truly rumbled and there's a credible opposition as an alternative.

That's a big 'might' mind you. And Lord knows what will happen in the meantime. All I can see is, at best, another five years of this current Tory dross.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 07, 2019, 09:26:18 AM
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 07, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
Johnson and all those yes men and women he is surrounded by will be rumbled OR has anyone thought that Johnson may do what Cameron did when he lost the Referendum ?

He may actually jump ship to AVOID the flak that may or may not come his way AND knowing him he may already have the Speech written ?

Wonder what the odds of that would be ? Just think of the legacy. "Got Brexit done" tick handed over power as was burnt out. Then if / when there are not all the things coming to pass that he has led people to believe he has the perfect alibi . Got Brexit done handed over reins to someone else
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 07, 2019, 09:36:32 AM
A credible leader is one who lies a lot - is that what people are saying they want - funny old world
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 09:48:37 AM
He lied just a few minutes earlier when he said Labour would put Corporation Tax up to the highest level in Europe.

A lie. Pure and simple. A lie.

What future is there in our politics if we reward incessant and deliberate liars?

I disagree here, I see it almost as his take on labour, it's similar to labour saying the nhs will be sold etc, the other parties may say it but they dont believe it and use it anyway.

I will say I find it frustrating though, he use of lies in the election is ridiculous. But, if he tories hey their majority they have to get it right this time or next election they are doomed.

Watched the debate last night and thought Boris was better than previously, but still pretty weak on detail a few times. His lines on Corbyn as a poor leader were excellent for him and that is largely I feel why they will win. If it was not Corbyn on the other side I'd fancy their chances to beat Boris.

BFYP.

No. That's a lie over a matter of objective truth.

But if you're not having that...

What about the 40 hospitals?
What about Labour spending £1.2trn?
What about the media in the hospital?
What about the Fact Check Twitter page?
What about the 50,000 new nurses?
What about the doctored BBC website?
What about the Russian meddling report?
What about him having no conflict of interest with Jennifer Arcuri?
What about the £350m?
What about Turkey joining the EU?
What about the fabricated story in the Telegraph that got him sacked?
What about lying to the then Tory leader about an affair that got him sacked?
What about bent bananas?
What about the number of children he's fathered?

There's a list of egregious lies and deceptions from him just off the top of my head. Peter Oborne, that well-known Socialist has a list four times longer.

Johnson is a pathological, lifelong liar. And we are about to empower him. I do hope you've never experienced the carnage that an empowered pathological liar can do. I have. I've spent two years picking up the pieces from it at work and just yesterday had a colleague break down in tears over an issue that we are still dealing with.

People like that destroy everything they touch. And we're just about to vote one I to power.

Madness.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BigH on December 07, 2019, 10:19:48 AM
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.

Sydney, those are noble aims, which, funnily enough, I support.

But noble aims are worthless if you don't have the wherewithal to deliver them; in this case overwhelming support of the electorate and the charisma and leadership qualities to pull it off. It's a shame that it looks like it'll take a second General Election failure for Corbyn and his clique to get the message.

Why Corbyn didn't get ruthless and berate Johnson last night for his incompetence, his untrustworthiness, his lies and his cowardice I'll never quite know...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Campsall rover on December 07, 2019, 11:19:18 AM
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
Thought Boris won that debate.

Sorry Corbyn will be a total disaster for this country imo.
He will take us back 40 years.
We will be calling in the IMF to bail us out in 3/4 years if he ties to implement all of the policies in his party’s manifesto.

The Liberals are a disgrace. Cancel Brexit. What’s all that about?
So the referendum and the 52% who voted to leave are irrelevant.

I voted to REMAIN but we lost. WHAT ABOUT DEMOCRACY. The leavers won so we should leave. END OF

He has got a deal with the EU so let’s get on with leaving.

The conservatives at the present time are not my cup of tea and Boris is the wrong man to be Prime minister but he was selected by the Conservative Party so he is what we have got. Like it or not.

As it is at the moment we have to elect a Conservative government as the alternatives are too horrendous to contemplate imo.

Boris and the Conservatives are the least worst option imo. Sorry state of British Politics.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 07, 2019, 11:30:17 AM
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
I PMSL at Boris "leaders who lied should be made to crawl on hand and knee through the chamber flaggilating themselves with their......bundle of made up Documents about the supposed sell off of the NHS!"
Abosloutly brilliant ! Corbyn pulled that face on Billy avatar caricature absolutely destroyed Corbyn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 11:35:31 AM
Campsall.

So I guess you haven't seen the IFS analysis that reckons Labour's policies, if implemented in full will only increase the national debt by a couple of percent? Talk of the country needing to be bailed out is just silly. Japan, USA, Germany and others have operated perfectly well in recent years with higher levels of debt than we have or will have under Labour.

By the way. You're obviously old enough to remember Labour going to the IMF for a bail out. Massive news, wasn't it?

I assume you remember the follow up? It turned out the bail out was never needed. The Treasury civil servants, somehow, no-one knows how, got their numbers hopelessly wrong on how much the Govt needed to keep operating.

They corrected them a few months later, but by that time the loan had already been applied for and received.

Dennis Healy, the Chancellor, swore that there'd effectively been a coup by senior civil servants to force the Labour Govt to change policy.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
Sproty.

That in itself was an untruth. Those documents aren't made up.

But hey! There you go. You want a PM who makes you piss yourself while he lies to you, you've got it. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Campsall rover on December 07, 2019, 12:16:18 PM
Sproty.

That in itself was an untruth. Those documents aren't made up.

But hey! There you go. You want a PM who makes you piss yourself while he lies to you, you've got it. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.
BST do you seriously think Corbyn is capable of running our economy without unparalleled levels of debt for this country. We will be paying for them for decades. It will make the present levels of poverty in the Uk look like a Royal tea party.
The Labour Party have done nothing well almost nothing to help those who need it most for a very very long time imo. Probably the last major thing they can be proud of is the Creation of the NHS.
I am not a hardened Tory BST but what they have to offer the British public is definitely better than having a very left wing Prime Minister who will run this country into the ground.
He will drive the brains away and business’s will move elsewhere because of the taxes he will impose.
Jobs will be lost & the very people he wants to help will be much worse off.
You are old enough as well BST to remember the 1970’s and the Chaos the Labour Party was responsible for.
Corbyn will take us back to those dark ages imo.

Anyway i think Corbyn will be lucky if he gets 30% of the vote next Thursday.
A great many of the Labour supporters who want remain will vote Liberal. Even more Labour voters who want to leave will vote either for the Brexit Party if their is a candidate or Conservative because they are the party that will get Brexit done.
That’s what a majority voted for. I didn’t but I lost so hard luck.
Let’s get on with what was voted for.
This non exit of the EU is far and away the most anti democratic thing of my adult life.


Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 12:35:50 PM
Campsall.

Yes I do believe Labour would run the eco only better than the Tories and here's the reason why.

Under the Tories, we've just had the worst decade of growth since the 1880s. We are bumbling along at barely 1% growth per year when our long term average from the War to 2010 was 2.3%. To undershoot by that amount for that long has a catastrophic effect on our wealth and future prospects.

And there's a reason for this. It's because the Tories slashed public spending just when private industry was on its knees.

That is a textbook error. Economic students are taught about that concept in year 1 at University. But this lot did that. As a result, the private sector has never got back on its feet. Investment has collapsed. Productivity has collapsed which is REALLY scary for the future. More people are working but not it higher skill, higher value jobs. It's an epic disaster.

The Tories have never once shown any understanding of the role of Govt spending in getting the economy moving. Never. Even though it's a totally established economic principle in theory and practice.

John McDonnell, for all his far-left leanings, understands this. He gets that, if we don't get the economy out if this lost decade (and f**k Johnson's bluster about getting Brexit done - the Treasury's own post-Brexit forecast has us limping along at 1% growth for the next 6-7 years) then we are going to slide further and further away from the future of prosperity that we should have.

And it's not just me saying that. 180 senior economists signed a letter to the Financial Times saying not only that Labour's policies were better than the Tories'. But they were ESSENTIAL to the future of the country

So why are you so certain that Labour would be a disaster?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on December 07, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
Campsall, rather than all that conjecture.

Why don't you take the word of people who would no better than me or you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/d29b4cbe-0fa4-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: tommy toes on December 07, 2019, 12:38:04 PM
Get Brexit done my arse.
They will enter years of negotiation that even now could end up with us leaving with no deal.
The EU will fall over themselves to agree to Labours plan for Brexit if that's what the country votes for as it includes us staying in the CU and SM.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 07, 2019, 12:55:58 PM
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.

Sydney, those are noble aims, which, funnily enough, I support.

But noble aims are worthless if you don't have the wherewithal to deliver them; in this case overwhelming support of the electorate and the charisma and leadership qualities to pull it off. It's a shame that it looks like it'll take a second General Election failure for Corbyn and his clique to get the message.

Why Corbyn didn't get ruthless and berate Johnson last night for his incompetence, his untrustworthiness, his lies and his cowardice I'll never quite know...

yeah I know, I'm a fundamentalist and hate seeing the country run by the business mafia's puppets, It staggers me to listen to these two bob watches that back a government that's run the place down for ideology when there's plenty to go around and more. But as said they'll own it.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Campsall rover on December 07, 2019, 01:10:35 PM
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.

And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Campsall.

For goodness sake, the bank's collapsed all over the world. It started on Wall At with Lehman's. No one seriously saw that crash coming.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Filo on December 07, 2019, 01:25:42 PM
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.

And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.

As much as you’d like to be correct you’re wrong, Labour cannot be held responsible for the GLOBAL crash, they limited damage to the UK, and then were accused of leaving us broke by the likes of you
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 07, 2019, 02:25:23 PM
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.

And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.

Labour plans are not even as radical as Atlee in 1945. Did that destroy the economy and they had war damage to cope with?

No it led to a National Health Service, decent old age pensions, affordable utilities for the country, massive house building programme and the following Tory government continuing their policies saying the country had never had it so good!

What will hurt the economy is NOT carrying out Labour's policies. It was the Tory manifesto the IFS said wasn't credible. Then there is the hit the economic hit from Brexit, a flashpoint in Northern Ireland and the environmental damage shown by the FOE report today and prepare to be exploited.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 07, 2019, 06:07:16 PM
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.
They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.
Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing.

And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.
Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.

Labour plans are not even as radical as Atlee in 1945. Did that destroy the economy and they had war damage to cope with?

No it led to a National Health Service, decent old age pensions, affordable utilities for the country, massive house building programme and the following Tory government continuing their policies saying the country had never had it so good!

What will hurt the economy is NOT carrying out Labour's policies. It was the Tory manifesto the IFS said wasn't credible. Then there is the hit the economic hit from Brexit, a flashpoint in Northern Ireland and the environmental damage shown by the FOE report today and prepare to be exploited.
Attlee used the UK's Marshal plan money which was far greater than that given to Germany. He didn't have to Pawn the country to achieve his goals.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 07, 2019, 06:24:11 PM
Really? And that was the only money that Atlee had after WW2 was it Sproty?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: albie on December 07, 2019, 06:30:46 PM
Let's see if Spaffman steps up to deal with these bigots standing as candidates;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-face-calls-suspend-three-21045950
This is as well as the Islamophobia.

The Hastings woman sounds a proper barmpot.
You would think that they would have been weeded out before selection, if they were serious.

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on December 08, 2019, 07:17:36 PM
'Spafman' - I like that   .
Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.
After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 08, 2019, 08:05:48 PM
'Spafman' - I like that   .
Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.
After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!
I used to blame Thatcher...until Donnygate!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 08, 2019, 08:09:53 PM
'Spafman' - I like that   .
Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.
After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!
I used to blame Thatcher...until Donnygate!
There's an example of good old Labour in action:
The worst local government corruption case since the Poulson scandal of the 1970s ended yesterday with hefty jail terms for a senior Labour councillor and the property developer who bribed him.

The four-year sentence for Peter Birks, former chairman of planning in Doncaster finished the virtual elimination of the old, miner-dominated Labour party in the South Yorkshire town, which has already seen two former council leaders and two former mayors among 21 councillors convicted of fraud.

Most were found guilty of fiddling expenses, often for small sums but damned by a series of judges as part of a wholesale culture of corruption which engulfed the mid-90s administration. But yesterday's verdicts unravelled the much more far-reaching, "rotten network" created by Doncaster developer Alan Hughes, 63, who was given five years.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 08, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
Foxbat is ok with labour politicians screwing him over, just as long as they are not Tories it seems
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 08, 2019, 09:29:23 PM
Well its not like a Tory run council has been so badly run that is has gone bankrupt is it?

https://www.economist.com/britain/2018/03/22/northamptonshire-council-has-gone-bust-who-is-to-blame

Or to have been found to have committed fraud on a massive scale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 08, 2019, 10:02:40 PM
Nice deflect Wilts
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 09, 2019, 04:23:06 AM
We'll get brexit done, I'll get brexit done, I'll die in a trench/ditch but I'll get brexit done.

''customs arrangements may thwart Boris Johnson’s plan to leave the EU by December 2020, according to a document said to be leaked from civil servants in the Department for Exiting the EU.

In the document, seen by the Financial Times, staff raised concerns about the readiness of the new customs arrangement, calling the protocol to keep part of the EU customs code in Northern Ireland, a “major” obstacle to Brexit delivery.

The FT reported that the document was sent to senior Whitehall officials last week and said that implementing the Northern Ireland protocol before next December was a “strategic, political and operational challenge”.''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/09/northern-irish-customs-arrangements-could-thwart-brexit-plans

oops  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 09, 2019, 09:33:56 AM
Is there anyone left, any group of human beings that Johnson hasn’t abused or insulted?

New controversial comments uncovered in historical Boris Johnson articles

Prime minister wrote for Spectator in defence of opponents of gay people joining military and claimed police were ‘cowed’ by Macpherson report
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/09/new-controversial-comments-uncovered-in-historical-boris-johnson-articles
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: GazLaz on December 09, 2019, 09:45:39 AM
Couldn't agree more Big H.

I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.

I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.

If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
I PMSL at Boris "leaders who lied should be made to crawl on hand and knee through the chamber flaggilating themselves with their......bundle of made up Documents about the supposed sell off of the NHS!"
Abosloutly brilliant ! Corbyn pulled that face on Billy avatar caricature absolutely destroyed Corbyn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I saw that part of the debate and thought it was a pathetic answer. Incoherent drivel while smirking. JC gave a rational coherent answer.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 09, 2019, 12:57:11 PM
Most of what comes out of his "overfed" chops is incoherent drivel and pathetic to boot

Most of it is seemingly made up on the spot (or often looks like it is imo) and I have to say I have never seen such an inept unconvincing person who has had just 121 (or is it 122 or even 123 days as PM) and has a very good chance of landing the PMs job again in 3 days

Unbelievable Jeff is the most printable thing I can say in respect of my own post and its implications
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 03:34:35 PM
If there was a credible to the floating voters alternative then he wouldn't stand a chance
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on December 09, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
And some people think he's credible?
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nhs-leeds-hospital-floor-jack-williment-phone-photo-a9239041.html
 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 04:23:22 PM
Yeah and if you dont think that's staged then I dispair
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 04:26:32 PM
What do yo mean "staged"?

He's been asked a question by a reporter. The reporter has asked him to look at a photo of a child with suspected pneumonia, laid on the floor of A&E because there weren't any beds. Johnson has initially refused to look at the photo and, for some bizarre reason, pocketed the reporter's phone.

Which bit of that do you think is "staged"?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on December 09, 2019, 04:39:31 PM
What do yo mean "staged"?

He's been asked a question by a reporter. The reporter has asked him to look at a photo of a child with suspected pneumonia, laid on the floor of A&E because there weren't any beds. Johnson has initially refused to look at the photo and, for some bizarre reason, pocketed the reporter's phone.

Which bit of that do you think is "staged"?

You can't reason with some folk BST.  In fact I honestly think that some people can't see any wrong in what Johnson says or does, to the point where if he were to walk up to them and kick them in the b*llocks they actually thank him for doing it!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 05:05:24 PM
I'd say the same about many on here about Corbyn
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 05:12:51 PM
I still don't get what you mean about that being staged Ldr.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
Maybe I'm cynical BST or just work in a better trust but it seems very convenient. Kid on floor (happened not disputing but seems very strange, in addition to an A and E you will have assessment suites, surgical holding areas, discharge lounges all more suitable), elections time, handy photo, ends up with a Mirror journo. Feels too perfect as a smear attempt
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 09, 2019, 05:34:11 PM
Yeah and if you dont think that's staged then I dispair

You are kidding right?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 05:47:21 PM
Ldr.

That cynicism isn't becoming.

It ended up in the Mirror because the mother of that kid was so pissed off, she sent the picture to the (very right wing,) Yorkshire Post. And it took off from there.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=274661.msg927771#msg927771
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 09, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
I've spent a substantial amount of time in hospitals and have to agree that I find it hard to believe staff would allow that.  NHS staff on the whole are bloody good caring people.

It does not excuse the excessive demand on the nhs that's for sure particularly in these areas but I do find it tough to believe they'd allow that to happen.

As for Boris Johnson his answer is poor, he should have been more empathic  at that point. Yes it's been blown up a bit out of proportion, he has many flaws but not one person going likes to see kids in that state.  Will it change how some vote in the election, I actually think it will.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 06:32:53 PM
I dont think Boris has an empathetic bone in his body
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 06:35:17 PM
Bang on Ldr. He's a narcissistic sociopath. His entire life story shoes that he doesn't give a f**k for anything but his own desires.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 06:38:18 PM
I couldn't disagree which is why I wish there was a more effective opposition
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
I'm with you on that. Been saying it for 4 years.

But, that's the choice we have.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 06:42:47 PM
Piss poor doesn't cover it, country of 60 odd million and these 2 cretins are the choice we come up with
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 09, 2019, 07:03:02 PM
I heard a guy on the radio the other week put the choice like this:

If Corbyn gets in and things done work out then everything he does in power can be reversed in 5 years

If Johnson gets in then the country will be irreversibly changed forever - not only Brexit and public services but the proposed changes to the electoral map and voter registration that are in their manifesto
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 09, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
Piss poor doesn't cover it, country of 60 odd million and these 2 cretins are the choice we come up with

... but we are not voting for a President. We should be electing a Political Party with whose philosophy we mostly agree with.

Its up to each particular Party to (democratically) elect a Leader - but the trouble is that person is then "the" person that gets the scrutiny and praise or criticism and that detracts from the fact there is a Part behind them that has policies / manifestos / ideas and ideals all ready to go
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 07:24:47 PM
Should be is not what will happen and you know it
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 09, 2019, 08:12:52 PM
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him.  He is in a job that is far above his intellect.  I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 08:23:08 PM
BFYP

I'm not sure you fully get the revolution in the Tory party already under Johnson.

The moderates have gone. Forced out. This will be by far the most rightwing Tory set of MPs since the War. Far, far to the right of Thatcher's administrations.

People as extreme as Raab and Patel wouldn't have got close to the top under Thatcher. And they've absorbed the lessons from the Republicans in the USA. They are already planning big changes in voter registration to make it much harder for traditional Labour voter groups to register.

This is NOT the usual "vote for him through gritted teeth and it will all settle down in a year or two" election.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on December 09, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
What part of their vicious free-market austerity economic policy attracts you BFYP? (Genuine question)

Or is it their underfunding of all public services by the standards of basically all European countries?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Copps is Magic on December 09, 2019, 08:29:42 PM
...of course even the most ideologically pure of us will be voting based on the leader of the party in some part. Unavoidable basically.

Which is why when I hear people from Donny voting for the Tories, i really scratch my head. Johnson has equal contempt for people like me and you who grew up in the town, got a job, family, house, career, made something of ourselves... as those feckless unemploymed, scroungers. Open contempt. Its there in his writings going back years, to him we are all one and the same and I could never vote for that.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 09, 2019, 08:39:14 PM
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him.  He is in a job that is far above his intellect.  I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.

Have you ever voted labour or other than tory bfyp?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 09, 2019, 08:43:20 PM
Nail-Head Copps.

Anyone from round here is clearly convincing themselves that Johnson doesn't mean THEM when his mask slips and he reveals his utter contempt for ordinary people.

They will be chucked aside once they've done their job.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 09, 2019, 09:02:02 PM
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him.  He is in a job that is far above his intellect.  I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.

Have you ever voted labour or other than tory bfyp?

Yes on both counts, though not in a general election, given my age I havent had much opportunity....
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 09, 2019, 09:06:22 PM
Bit more opportunity for me BFYP, voted red and blue in my time, definite floating voter
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Bentley Bullet on December 10, 2019, 01:48:41 AM
When I saw Jezza visiting Bentley during the floods being treated like King Canute, and then Boris being treated like a mass drowner, I just knew it meant that floating voters were being swayed by Labour hysteria.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 10, 2019, 02:10:10 AM
Exactly DW, which is why I'll probably vote tory despite Boris not because of him.  He is in a job that is far above his intellect.  I read labour may be happy to lose this election, I do not buy in to that. Granted I expect Boris to balls it up if he wins, but itll be before his term is up and he will be replaced.

Have you ever voted labour or other than tory bfyp?

Yes on both counts, though not in a general election, given my age I havent had much opportunity....

Thanks bfyp, guessing you've voted for cameron then may and johnson next?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 10, 2019, 08:05:18 AM
Hearing members of the public in the North East interviewed yesterday after Boris’ visit was incredibly depressing. People stating how they have always voted Labour but will now vote for Boris. Despite the terrible damage done to that part of the world by Boris’ party, despite his Brexit policy that’s putting a huge number of people in that area at risk and despite the fact that he’s a proven liar they STILL fawn over him.

The worst example I’ve seen of Turkeys Voting for Christmas.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 10, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
HA that's what i hear living up here too which is why i have been so vocal on the Corbyn effect. Outside the hardcore labour bubble he is incredibly unpopular which has allowed populist policies to attract voters
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 10, 2019, 08:14:38 AM
It's a shame though Ldr, the labour policies are good and the msm has to carry a lot of the blame for a lot of anti-corbynism, you shouldn't need to be a 'personalty' to run the country just good policy and not corrupt.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 10, 2019, 08:17:55 AM
HA that's what i hear living up here too which is why i have been so vocal on the Corbyn effect. Outside the hardcore labour bubble he is incredibly unpopular which has allowed populist policies to attract voters

Why is he so unpopular up there LDR?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 10, 2019, 08:21:54 AM
Talking to people 2 main things have been apparent. Perceived as a blocker to Brexit which is the major talking point up here and people just dont trust him
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 10, 2019, 08:25:03 AM
It’s pretty incredible isn’t it that they trust a Bullingdon Boy who everyone acknowledges is a liar over Corbyn? Also that his Brexit policy is potentially a disaster for places like the NE. Still, I guess they can’t grumble when it all goes tits up.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: tommy toes on December 10, 2019, 08:52:44 AM
They voted for Brexit and are determined to have it  and hang the consequences.
They think Johnson will get it done and that Corbyn has betrayed them.
That's all that seems to matter to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 10, 2019, 09:02:47 AM
HA.

I don't know if you heard those interviews on R4 this morning.

Nick Robinson (ex-head of the Oxford University Conservative Association) went to Sunderland with Johnson yesterday. On the Today programme this morning, they played three interviews he did, all with apparently random people on the street. All three were lifelong Labour voters who now say they are voting for Johnson. Robinson then ran a story around this of how the working class in the North is leaving Labour in droves.

Now. Forgive me for this cynicism, but that's a bit odd.

See, there are three constituencies in Sunderland. According to the bookies, the longest price you can get on Labour for any of the seats is 1/9.

And yet Robinson somehow, entirely against the odds, interviewed three random strangers and all three fitted in with his story.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on December 10, 2019, 09:12:35 AM
BST

It was last night I heard it. Fair point though, I realise that vox pops are unreliable AND Robinson has a particular agenda at play. I just find it remarkable that anyone of sane mind who lives in the NE could possibly consider Boris as a better PM than JC.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 10, 2019, 09:20:07 AM
HA.

I don't know if you heard those interviews on R4 this morning.

Nick Robinson (ex-head of the Oxford University Conservative Association) went to Sunderland with Johnson yesterday. On the Today programme this morning, they played three interviews he did, all with apparently random people on the street. All three were lifelong Labour voters who now say they are voting for Johnson. Robinson then ran a story around this of how the working class in the North is leaving Labour in droves.

Now. Forgive me for this cynicism, but that's a bit odd.

See, there are three constituencies in Sunderland. According to the bookies, the longest price you can get on Labour for any of the seats is 1/9.

And yet Robinson somehow, entirely against the odds, interviewed three random strangers and all three fitted in with his story.

corrupt with a small c

lets hope he has to eat his words when the Poll that counts is counted !

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 10, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
One final note to those of you folk who passionately want Brexit and who think Johnson is on your side.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/2gvE3Pa8Gv/Boris_Johnson_battles

The story of Johnson’s role in the Leave campaign has been told too often to need much retelling here.

There were the two newspaper columns he wrote, one for leaving and one against. The friends (or former friends) like Roland Rudd, the financial PR man who now chairs the People’s Vote campaign, who told me bitterly how Johnson pledged his devotion to the Remain side shortly before announcing the opposite.

Sir Craig Oliver, then director of communications in Downing Street under David Cameron, testifies to a poetic text message from Johnson predicting Brexit would be crushed “like the toad beneath the harrow”, sent moments before he came out for the Leave side.


I've been saying this since before the 2016 vote. Brexit was ONLY, EVER about one thing. Johnson's career.

You have facilitated that. He's wooing you one last time. And when you've done the job for him, he will chew you up and spit you out.

And deep down inside, under all the arguments and the front, you know that, don't you? You know that you've been played by someone who utterly, utterly despises you.

Just close your eyes and ponder that for a moment before you vote.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Donnywolf on December 10, 2019, 09:59:17 AM
BST - given he is the most duplicitous b*****d that I have even known in Politics (has there been ANYONE since 1966 that has been worse) ..... do you think he may Get Brexit done to "secure his legacy" and then jump ship leaving whoever takes the poisoned chalice to oversee the things he knows he cant deliver such as NOT selling the NHS Serivices bit by bit and blaming whoever takes over

Or not for the first time am I miles out ?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on December 11, 2019, 08:29:48 AM
Live on TV this morning - oh dear
 
https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/11/boris-johnson-minder-drops-f-bomb-live-gmb-piers-morgan-asks-interview-11652933/
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: GazLaz on December 11, 2019, 10:21:38 AM
I’ve seen the Boris fridge video. It’s completely bizarre. The mans a f**king idiot.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 11, 2019, 05:05:59 PM
This is the bloke who is going to get a good deal from the EU & Trump's America is it? The man who is frightened of Andrew Neil & Piers Morgan!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 23, 2019, 02:56:50 AM
Still waiting for the release of the 'russian' enquiry and the Acuri self interest probe, will we ever get the full story or will the victors (re)write the history?

''Johnson visit to Lebedev party after victory odd move for 'people's PM'

PM mingled with Russian elite amid claims of Moscow interference in UK politics''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/22/johnson-visit-to-lebedev-party-after-victory-odd-move-for-peoples-pm
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 23, 2019, 11:08:44 AM
Grow up children! Your very own puppet faced sausage roll legged Rebecca
Long Bailey has just been caught lying when she reminisced about her Dad a dock worker coming. Home from the docks worrying about redundancies...NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE UnDER 2 AND IN NAPPIES.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 23, 2019, 11:04:34 PM
Ad-hominem, strange how most of the attacks come from the right, couldn't be playing follow-my-leader could we  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 23, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Grow up children! Your very own puppet faced sausage roll legged Rebecca
Long Bailey has just been caught lying when she reminisced about her Dad a dock worker coming. Home from the docks worrying about redundancies...NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE UnDER 2 AND IN NAPPIES.

You had problems relating to women in your life Sproty?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 24, 2019, 12:59:37 PM
Grow up children! Your very own puppet faced sausage roll legged Rebecca
Long Bailey has just been caught lying when she reminisced about her Dad a dock worker coming. Home from the docks worrying about redundancies...NOT BAD FOR SOMEONE UnDER 2 AND IN NAPPIES.

You had problems relating to women in your life Sproty?
You got problems with reality, you spend 12 months slagging Corbyn off on this forum then the election pops up and the'Worm' turns,suddenly he is
 The messiah! Oh I wished I had been audience to the bollockings you got from the Left wing voters you tried to canvas,Left wing Labour voters with views slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 24, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
I'll take that as a "yes" then.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on December 30, 2019, 01:10:57 PM
Johnson & his latest squeeze on the island of Mustique are staying at a villa that costs £40,000/wk
It has 4 swimming pools and an infinity pool.

Knowing this will no doubt bring joy to the hearts of his forelock tuggers in Donny & the right wing.fogeys in the home counties.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on December 30, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
Rejecting the hospitality of his taxpayer funded British holiday mansion for that of the Von Bismarck family I notice.

Looks like at least one Tory has forgiven the Germans for 2 world wars, so maybe we will be staying in Europe after all...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on December 30, 2019, 03:01:15 PM
Johnson & his latest squeeze on the island of Mustique are staying at a villa that costs £40,000/wk
It has 4 swimming pools and an infinity pool.

Knowing this will no doubt bring joy to the hearts of his forelock tuggers in Donny & the right wing.fogeys in the home counties.

Grasping straws  now comrade
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 31, 2019, 05:27:40 AM
''Boris Johnson to raise minimum wage by four times inflation

Employees over 25 will receive a 6.2% pay rise equating to £930 a year for full-time worker,
rates will also rise above inflation across all other age groups, including by 6.5% for 21-24-year-olds to £8.20, by 4.9% to £6.45 for 18-20-year-olds, by 4.6% to £4.55 for under-18s and 6.4% to £4.15 for apprentices''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/31/boris-johnson-to-raise-minimum-wages-by-four-times-inflation

What a shame the tories wasted so much money with the Austrerity b*llocks, could have given a whole lot more over a longer period  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 31, 2019, 09:37:58 AM
Too high a jump that at short notice and a bad move unless theres something done about business rates etc.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on December 31, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Business will benefit by the boost most people will spent every penny.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 01, 2020, 10:04:24 AM
Business will benefit by the boost most people will spent every penny.

Only if it's not swallowed up by the higher costs of trade with the EU.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on January 01, 2020, 10:41:44 AM
So true Glyn, unfortunately
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on January 01, 2020, 04:42:27 PM
So true Glyn, unfortunately
The Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on January 01, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
So true Glyn, unfortunately
The Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.

Really?

44% of UK trade is with the EU
8% of EU trade is with the UK

Lets hope Johnson's maths is better than yours because that is an awful lot of UK jobs and tax income dependent on EU trade and not very many EU jobs or tax income dependent on UK trade.

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

Dont wait too long for the income from your tariff war either. The government has already said it will have 0% tariff on most imports after Brexit. Whereas the EU will impose tariffs on most UK exports unless there is a deal.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/temporary-tariff-regime-updated
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 01, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
Sproty.

You don't seem to grasp who pays tarrifs.

It's not the seller. It's the buyer...
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 01, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
Sproty.

You don't seem to grasp who pays tarrifs.

It's not the seller. It's the buyer...

And both ways, importing and exporting.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 01, 2020, 05:57:31 PM
So true Glyn, unfortunately
The Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.

Oh do enlighten us exactly how they'll offset the price rises. I love a good fairy story.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: hoolahoop on January 01, 2020, 10:25:24 PM
So true Glyn, unfortunately
The Govt can offset that by using the extra revenue generated by Tarriffs, there is only one looser in a Tarriff trade was that is the side with more to loose and that ain't us!.

Oh do enlighten us exactly how they'll offset the price rises. I love a good fairy story.

Once again Sproty trots out the " tariff lie " that he , like many 100,000's have swallowed hook , line and sinker. The ONLY  loser with tariffs are those that purchase the most and that happens to be us the consumer in the UK
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on January 02, 2020, 07:34:51 AM
So we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on January 02, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
The beef from Australia is pre-bbq'd too Sprot  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 02, 2020, 09:37:25 AM
Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2020, 10:23:56 AM
So we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!

And how, exactly, is that an example of the government offsetting anything?

Apart from the obvious answer that it's nothing of the kind.

PS Do you seriously think Australia and New Zealand are still as stuck in the 1970s as you are?

PPS I've just looked up Australian beef prices. The 'cheap meat' seems to be a myth. Twenty years ago it was cheap - an average wholesale price of about £1.20 a kilo. Now it's about £4.60 a kilo. That's without transport costs, importing costs and everybody inbetween adding on their slice of profit on top.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on January 02, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
So we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!

And how, exactly, is that an example of the government offsetting anything?

Apart from the obvious answer that it's nothing of the kind.

PS Do you seriously think Australia and New Zealand are still as stuck in the 1970s as you are?

PPS I've just looked up Australian beef prices. The 'cheap meat' seems to be a myth. Twenty years ago it was cheap - an average wholesale price of about £1.20 a kilo. Now it's about £4.60 a kilo. That's without transport costs, importing costs and everybody inbetween adding on their slice of profit on top.
On reading your post Glynn I went on line and found this

from The Irish Times

What is the new South American beef deal that will affect Ireland?
Mercosur deal has been accused for ‘selling out’ Irish farmers

Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 13:20 Updated: Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 17:38
Basically the Eu is attempting to buy beef from the Mercosur Nations, Brazil,Paraguay,Uruguay etc. This has cause concern in Eire where they will have to compete with Beef which is 50% cheaper per KG than Irish beef...
Thank you and goodnight!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2020, 07:49:16 PM
So we un cheaper meat from Australia and NZ like we did in the 70's and we buy our our products rather than theirs!

And how, exactly, is that an example of the government offsetting anything?

Apart from the obvious answer that it's nothing of the kind.

PS Do you seriously think Australia and New Zealand are still as stuck in the 1970s as you are?

PPS I've just looked up Australian beef prices. The 'cheap meat' seems to be a myth. Twenty years ago it was cheap - an average wholesale price of about £1.20 a kilo. Now it's about £4.60 a kilo. That's without transport costs, importing costs and everybody inbetween adding on their slice of profit on top.
On reading your post Glynn I went on line and found this

from The Irish Times

What is the new South American beef deal that will affect Ireland?
Mercosur deal has been accused for ‘selling out’ Irish farmers

Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 13:20 Updated: Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 17:38
Basically the Eu is attempting to buy beef from the Mercosur Nations, Brazil,Paraguay,Uruguay etc. This has cause concern in Eire where they will have to compete with Beef which is 50% cheaper per KG than Irish beef...
Thank you and goodnight!

Thank you and goodnight? What are you on??

What exactly has something that

(a) Has nothing to do with the UK

(b) Has nothing to do with a non-EU country (which is what the UK is going to become)

(c) Only talks about Customs tariffs and conveniently ignores CAP implications - you know, that CAP that the UK is leaving, and

(d) Hasn't happened at all anyway and is therefore a complete non-story

Got the f**k to do with the UK and imports of cheap meat from Australia and NZ?

If that's best non-refutation you can come out - an article from a foreign newspaper talking about things that have absolutely no bearing on the UK, and also makes no mention of 'The EU' buying beef (the EU doesn't buy beef from anyone, importers do), and also make no mention of any 50% cheaper beef either - no wonder you didn't bother giving a link to see the article for ourselves and seeing what a load of b*llocks your reportage of it is.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on January 02, 2020, 07:55:59 PM
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?

An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2020, 08:06:21 PM
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?

An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.

Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Sprotyrover on January 02, 2020, 08:17:54 PM
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?

An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.


Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.
Cheers Glynn, cheeky Journos eh!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 02, 2020, 08:19:37 PM
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?

An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.


Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.
Cheers Glynn, cheeky Journos eh!

Credulous readers, eh!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on January 02, 2020, 08:58:20 PM
How will this cheap import of agricultural goods affect Northern Ireland Sproty?

An area of the UK which is extremely rural and is known to be quite 'volatile' if it believes the UK is treating it unfairly.

Just to put this into some sort of context and not in the sensationalisation of a journalist who seems to know as little about this as sproty, Eire exports 270,000 tonnes of beef to the UK. This deal will only allow in a total quota of beef from the whole of Mercosur of 99,000 tonnes. And that will be at a Customs Tariff of 7.5% (before any CAP implications) - which the Irish Times seems to have forgotten to mention.

To go back to my previous point I was just musing on what I took the implications of Sproty's previous post to be.

He will have to tell us exactly what he meant but I think he was attempting to demonstrate how Brexit will be beneficial to the UK as there is cheap beef that can be sourced from South America - hence the article.

All well and good but what implications will that have for British farmers? Especially in Northern Ireland.

75% of Northern Ireland is farmland. Over 50% of this is cattle, dairy and beef. Just under 50000 people work on farms, most of them small farmers - and they make up just under 4% of the total NI economy - nearly 3x as much as the rest of the UK.

So I think it is worth repeating again 'what will be the effect in Northern Ireland of allowing into the UK (or Eire) cheap agricultural goods after Brexit? A place known to be somewhat volatile if it is thought to be treated unfairly by the UK government?

https://www.rspb.org.uk/about-the-rspb/at-home-and-abroad/northern-ireland/farminginnorthernireland/
https://www.daera-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/daera/Key%20Statistics%20for%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on January 03, 2020, 08:33:02 AM
Well there’s a surprise!

Growing numbers of business leaders in the UK believe Brexit uncertainty will take longer to resolve than Boris Johnson pledged before the election, according to a Bank of England survey.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/02/brexit-trade-deal-unlikely-before-2021-business-leaders-say
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: bobjimwilly on January 06, 2020, 09:06:25 PM
well f*ck me who'd of thought it?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: drfchound on January 06, 2020, 10:19:43 PM
Exactly bjw.
The Brexiteers amongst us have much to answer for.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on January 09, 2020, 04:00:11 PM
Is it just me that sees something pretty sinister in dePfeffel Johnson's call to "unite and level-up"
in his post-election speech on the steps of No. 10 - given that the Nazi priciple of "Gleichschaltung"
can be translated as "levelling up"?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 09, 2020, 10:33:48 PM
What the f**k does this "levelling up" phrase mean anyway? It's clearly become a buzz word in the Tory party because they are all saying it. But I haven't got a clue what it means. Level WHAT up? To WHAT level?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on January 10, 2020, 06:55:07 PM
if is the same as this we are so in the sh1t

Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), or in English co-ordination, was in Nazi terminology the process of Nazification by which Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of German society and societies occupied by Nazi Germany "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".[1]
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: ravenrover on January 14, 2020, 09:56:22 AM
Latest policy
Bung a bob for Big Ben Bong
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on January 14, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
Didn't take long did it?


The prime minister claimed there would be no checks on goods going from NI to GB and only minimal checks on goods going the other way under his plan for a post-Brexit alternative to the backstop. He said:
Be in no doubt. We are the government of the United Kingdom. I cannot see any circumstances whatever in which they will be any need for checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to GB. The only circumstances in which you could imagine the need for checks coming from GB to NI, as I’ve explained before, is if those goods were going on into Ireland and we had not secured, which I hope and I’m confident we will, a zero tariff, zero quota agreement with our friends and partners in the EU.

And, furthermore, I would remind you that the arrangements that we have put in place under the Northern Ireland protocol automatically evaporate after four years unless the assembly of Northern, the government of Northern Ireland, decides that they want to protract them.

So there are plenty of protections for Northern Irish business, farmers and others.

This is untrue.

As John Campbell, BBC Northern Ireland’s business and economics editor points out, Johnson is wrong to say that a zero tariff free trade deal would obviate the need for checks on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland under his plan, which would effectively put a customs barrier down the Irish Sea.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on January 14, 2020, 01:23:10 PM
Didn't take long did it?


The prime minister claimed there would be no checks on goods going from NI to GB and only minimal checks on goods going the other way under his plan for a post-Brexit alternative to the backstop. He said:
Be in no doubt. We are the government of the United Kingdom. I cannot see any circumstances whatever in which they will be any need for checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to GB. The only circumstances in which you could imagine the need for checks coming from GB to NI, as I’ve explained before, is if those goods were going on into Ireland and we had not secured, which I hope and I’m confident we will, a zero tariff, zero quota agreement with our friends and partners in the EU.

And, furthermore, I would remind you that the arrangements that we have put in place under the Northern Ireland protocol automatically evaporate after four years unless the assembly of Northern, the government of Northern Ireland, decides that they want to protract them.

So there are plenty of protections for Northern Irish business, farmers and others.

This is untrue.

As John Campbell, BBC Northern Ireland’s business and economics editor points out, Johnson is wrong to say that a zero tariff free trade deal would obviate the need for checks on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland under his plan, which would effectively put a customs barrier down the Irish Sea.

Anyone who knows anything about Customs Law knew Johnson was talking out of his arse the second he spoke. But some people don't want to listen to experts.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on January 24, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
U&nfortunately many in this country would rather listen to Ex Pats

The truth is out.
Turns out that complex forms for GB and NI traders wishing to send goods in either direction. I've lost count of the number of times Boris Johnson swore blind there wouldn't be any.
 So no surprises there then.

Revealed: complex post-Brexit checks for Northern Irish traders

Transport and manufacturing heads criticise paperwork needed to trade with GB

Seamus Lehany, the head of the FTA in Belfast, said: “It’s the haulier who must complete the paperwork
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on January 25, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
leopards and spots?

''Former 'red wall' areas could lose millions in council funding review
£300m a year set be redirected from deprived areas to shire councils, analysis shows''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/25/former-red-wall-areas-could-lose-millions-in-council-funding-review

Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on February 03, 2020, 04:27:31 PM
Following in his idol's footsteps
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg
 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 03, 2020, 05:58:05 PM
Following in his idol's footsteps
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg
 


And folk are still saying we should all pull together and be nice to one another.

Open your eyes folks. Look what's happening right in front of you. This is how it happens. You don't get someone coming along with a big brass band and a flashing neon sign saying "I'm going to undermine your democracy". They do it in bits. and it happens if people don't actually care enough to resist it.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 03, 2020, 06:56:38 PM
Following in his idol's footsteps
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg
 


Not a single word about this on the BBC website by the way.

The way that the BBC has abdicated its responsibility on educating and informing the public about what the Govt is doing is beyond depressing.

And Kuenssberg. I hate pointing the finger at individual journalists but she is reprehensible. Yes she refused to go into that press briefing. But she has said zero about it. She has Tweeted 15 times today. Not once about this issue.

PS. That also applies to that other vacuous waste of space, Peston.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on February 03, 2020, 08:06:49 PM
So what you are saying Billy is that two of the most senior British political reporters are not reporting something newsworthy that they actually saw for themselves as they were involved in it.

The same two senior political reporters who of course reported something newsworthy during the GE that did not happen - but reported it because the Tory Party said it did.

Mussolini and Franco would be proud.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 03, 2020, 09:12:21 PM
That's precisely what I'm saying Wilts.

At best it's horrifically weak and sloppy journalism. At worst, collusion with a Govt which is actively undermining the ability of the media to hold them to account.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: wilts rover on February 03, 2020, 09:35:46 PM
If it helps at all Billy I am ruling out option a).

Nor do I blame it on (those) particular journalists. It has been widely reported so they have no good reason not to comment - it must be an editorial decision. Which is even more worrying.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on February 03, 2020, 11:54:07 PM
Following in his idol's footsteps
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html?fbclid=IwAR2BG45yQ1wudSEAGMlCuFRNMT6BLNKuEe91RLsr75S82NbH3lFkoWbuDbg

Looks like johnson is picking through trump's fecal matter looking for the best bits  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Not Now Kato on February 04, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
This piece from Crace is very revealing
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/03/shapeshifter-world-king-the-pm-boris-johnson-could-be-seriously-unwell
 
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on February 06, 2020, 07:39:57 AM
''In a central plank of the Conservative party campaign, Johnson pledged to invest in new transport projects and other large public works to narrow the gap between the UK’s wealthiest cities and poorer regions.

However, NIESR said the plan would take a decade to deliver and would fail to offset the damage to economic growth from Brexit''

I suppose this is what you end up with when you allow an alpha-liar to make it up and present it as policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output

The second para is the most compelling bit, there must have been loads of saps that believed this, and at the same time rubbishing labour's policies.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on February 12, 2020, 07:51:03 PM

Boris Johnson’s dad receives multi-million pound payout over HS2


Boris Johnson’s dad has received a multi-million pound compensation deal over HS2 after being forced to sell his home in North London. Stanley Johnson sold the five-bed house in Primrose Hill in October as the plan for the high speed rail development began.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2016/03/09/boris-johnsons-dad-receives-multi-million-pound-payout-over-hs2-5742573/?ito=article.amp.share.bottom.twitter?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on February 12, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
2016, really Foxbat???
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Iberian Red on February 12, 2020, 09:07:49 PM
2016, really Foxbat???

Well put Ldr.
That doesnt count anymore,it was the year in which the easily led,blind,pensioners,Daily Mail/Sun readers and racists all had there say.
Which one were you?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 13, 2020, 12:10:00 AM
This new Tory party that understands the problems of the common man and are on the side of the working class against The Elite.

Going well isn't it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51482220
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: turnbull for england on February 13, 2020, 07:06:24 AM
To be fair, with Thomas Cook going pop, how else do you find a fortnight in Mustique?
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Ldr on February 13, 2020, 07:23:04 AM
2016, really Foxbat???

Well put Ldr.
That doesnt count anymore,it was the year in which the easily led,blind,pensioners,Daily Mail/Sun readers and racists all had there say.
Which one were you?

If all you have left is the need to pigeon hole people that dont agree with you I pity you
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: Iberian Red on February 13, 2020, 02:37:55 PM
2016, really Foxbat???

Well put Ldr.
That doesnt count anymore,it was the year in which the easily led,blind,pensioners,Daily Mail/Sun readers and racists all had there say.
Which one were you?

If all you have left is the need to pigeon hole people that dont agree with you I pity you

It was a genuine question.
I wouldnt call it pogeon hole either.
You got the second word correct at least!
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on February 18, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
dePfeffel will not be visiting areas severely affected by the floods.
Are we surprised?
No, he is PM in name only. This is a man whose self-entitlement has reach such heights, he claims to have forgotten the name of the donor who paid for his £15K luxury holiday, only weeks ago.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: foxbat on February 18, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
#WhereIsBoris?

Please sign our petition to be presented in the House of Commons next week. A #COBRA meeting unlocked flood recovery funds in 2015 but the PM will not call one. I will present this petition to make him understand what we need. Please RT https://hollylynch.org.uk/news/2020/02/1

The simple fact of the matter is the Tories only care about the North when it’s election time & they make umpteen promises which they go back on as soon as they’re elected, & people fall for it time & time again - Johnson & this govt don’t give a toss about us Northerners

😒 @YorkshireLad_87
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: SydneyRover on February 20, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
I think we can safely draw a line under Cummings classification as a dangerous nutcase following his hiring of another. And as usual it all sheets home to johnson whom appears to be quite happy to engauge these monsters on the public purse. We had all the warning signs of johnson's instability and lack of commonsense as mayor of london and then as foreign secretary, the general public don't know what they don't know.
Title: Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 20, 2020, 11:47:18 AM
The Government is spinning the appointment and removal of the racist and eugenicist Sabisky as just a mistake on doing due diligence.

Absolute bullshit.

We've known Cummings is a eugenicist for over half a decade.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/pete-shanks/genetics-and-intelligence_b_4166949.html?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL3BSUE1EVnhBVnI_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALZqmRxEfqb9ibZrLnhQ5D2HCaQZ4IUoTBHl1Nb0INhOnr90pCt0EMqYqsgswnvNDk2V6RKWI6oP26xZsrxqPJSD7RFuoi5k_8r2onyDK2mJoT43lfHKxNl03u64sVNjynU0efzlzldqQOiAXZ79uSVNPTpbganuLn7T220GDkp5