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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: scawsby steve on August 21, 2019, 04:17:21 pm
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A woman, an ex-director of Bury FC, has chained herself to the main stand at Gigg Lane in protest at the situation before Friday's deadline.
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These people into BDSM eh?
😀
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Sorry bury but the powers that be don't give a toss
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No one is going to give a toss as she’s chained herself to a drain pipe getting in no ones way.
COYR
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I’d of maybe taken a chair at least!
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Bless!
I do hope she has an umbrella,
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Bless!
I do hope she has an umbrella,
She did have one!
A sad state if affairs all round.
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Sadly it looks like they will be gone by Friday.
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Bless!
I do hope she has an umbrella,
And a bucket...
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Sadly it looks like they will be gone by Friday.
they'll soon reform, set up the "either end of the A58 League" and be playing Bolton on a regular basis - if Wanderers can be arsed to turn up, of course
travelling costs at a minimum, plenty of money spinning local derbies to excite the fans, it'll be great...
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Think it's a lost cause. It's clear that Dale doesn't really want to save Bury, he's just interested in stripping every penny he can out of the club. He's a bit of a disaster capitalist it seems. Nothing the EFL can do at this point, although how he passed the fit and proper person test is another matter...
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If they go bust then our next two games are at home against Lincoln City.
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And then Rotherham at home in the league....
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That second Lincoln City game is going to attract an attendance so minuscule that a microscope has yet to be invented that can identify how small it will be.
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It’s the useless Football League to blame their so called ownership test is a joke to allow a twice bankrupt buy the club is a farce - Bury should be given a stay of execution while they sue the league for allowing this bas**rd into their club
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A well-researched article explaining just how f**ked Bury are. Well worth a read. It will take a miracle at this point. http://priceoffootball.com/bury-minutes-to-midnight/
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Jesus that's a basket case scenario...Dale is obviously a piece of work,i've seen exactly the same scenario played out a hundred times with asset strippers.. creating new companies to transfer assets into is always the very first course of action when these people get control of companies..It's the biggest red flag there is...
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I remember a couple of years back one Rovers supporter, on this very forum, was contrasting the ambition of Bury FC with the approach of our owners.
I said then it would end in tears.
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138% interest would bring anyone to tears
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Think it's a lost cause. It's clear that Dale doesn't really want to save Bury, he's just interested in stripping every penny he can out of the club. He's a bit of a disaster capitalist it seems. Nothing the EFL can do at this point, although how he passed the fit and proper person test is another matter...
Who currently owns the ground?
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I remember a couple of years back one Rovers supporter, on this very forum, was contrasting the ambition of Bury FC with the approach of our owners.
I said then it would end in tears.
So did i SM. They have been over spending
( understatement ) for quite a few years now.
This was always going to end in a melt down.
Just don’t understand how some people can’t see how well run a club we have at DRFC.
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.... and we have Terry Bramall and Andrew Watson paying off our debts. We are very lucky.
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People even wanted us to get involved with hedge fund company's saying it was the way forward :thumbdown:
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Think it's a lost cause. It's clear that Dale doesn't really want to save Bury, he's just interested in stripping every penny he can out of the club. He's a bit of a disaster capitalist it seems. Nothing the EFL can do at this point, although how he passed the fit and proper person test is another matter...
Worst thing of it is, I don't believe he did pass the test! Somehow, he hasn't even taken it yet despite being allowed to take control of the club and sink it to oblivion.
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From reading the Bury forum, my understanding is that because Dale bought all his shares for £1 the sale went through quickly and before the EFL knew about it. Once he had the shares I don’t think the EFL had any power to remove him.
Maybe the EFL are now effectively applying the test via their withholding of the “golden share” for league membership until Dale proves his financial position.
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From reading the Bury forum, my understanding is that because Dale bought all his shares for £1 the sale went through quickly and before the EFL knew about it. Once he had the shares I don’t think the EFL had any power to remove him.
Maybe the EFL are now effectively applying the test via their withholding of the “golden share” for league membership until Dale proves his financial position.
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That's exactly what they will be doing.
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.... and we have Terry Bramall and Andrew Watson paying off our debts. We are very lucky.
We don't have any debts, thanks to TB and the Watson family.
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.... and we have Terry Bramall and Andrew Watson paying off our debts. We are very lucky.
We don't have any debts, thanks to TB and the Watson family.
Because we are a club that’s run properly the EFL deem not to act quickly when Bolton unilaterally cancelled the game on Tuesday. What will the EFL say if Ipswich score double figures against the same players on Saturday again nothing. The EFL should suspend both Bury if still alive and Bolton for a season. If they both prove they are viable then they can start again in League 2 and only relegate two teams this season.
It will show if you allow your club to be run down there will be consequences above points reduction
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.... and we have Terry Bramall and Andrew Watson paying off our debts. We are very lucky.
We don't have any debts, thanks to TB and the Watson family.
I have not seen the accounts but expect that the situation is that the club is indebted to the above mentioned owners who could at any time demand payment which, if they did, would inevitably place continuance of the club in jeopardy. Just as it would have done if JR had called in his loans. Owning a football club is a rich man's hobby in most cases.
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People even wanted us to get involved with hedge fund company's saying it was the way forward :thumbdown:
zzzzzzzzzzz
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The EFL should suspend both Bury if still alive and Bolton for a season. If they both prove they are viable then they can start again in League 2 and only relegate two teams this season....
If they can't play they really should be demoted below the national North league, just as happens to others. Tough for fans but a corporate reality check that is well needed for clubs, esp those like Bolton.
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.... and we have Terry Bramall and Andrew Watson paying off our debts. We are very lucky.
We don't have any debts, thanks to TB and the Watson family.
I have not seen the accounts but expect that the situation is that the club is indebted to the above mentioned owners who could at any time demand payment which, if they did, would inevitably place continuance of the club in jeopardy. Just as it would have done if JR had called in his loans. Owning a football club is a rich man's hobby in most cases.
Maybe you should trust the word of someone who has seen the accounts instead of making wild guesses.
Bramall and Watson convert all the debt into equity so they effectively have no way of liquidating it, other than selling their shares.
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The EFL should suspend both Bury if still alive and Bolton for a season. If they both prove they are viable then they can start again in League 2 and only relegate two teams this season....
If they can't play they really should be demoted below the national North league, just as happens to others. Tough for fans but a corporate reality check that is well needed for clubs, esp those like Bolton.
I don’t think that can happen, not directly. A club’s expelled from the EFL would have to apply to the organisation running the league at the relevant level.
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Somebody give Dennis O’Brien a call... Bury would seem aptly named at this point. Sad. You have to look at fit and proper testing for owners.the league and FA don’t really care though do they?
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If Bury or Bolton go out of business they will have to start again at the local level, whichever league accepts them for next season. North West Counties league I think it is at Level 9/10, it would probably be there.
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.... and we have Terry Bramall and Andrew Watson paying off our debts. We are very lucky.
We don't have any debts, thanks to TB and the Watson family.
I have not seen the accounts but expect that the situation is that the club is indebted to the above mentioned owners who could at any time demand payment which, if they did, would inevitably place continuance of the club in jeopardy. Just as it would have done if JR had called in his loans. Owning a football club is a rich man's hobby in most cases.
No, you're wrong Avsuptem. When I say we don't have any debts then we don't have any, that's loans or otherwise. If there are no loans to call in then your scenario doesn't exist.
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Think it's a lost cause. It's clear that Dale doesn't really want to save Bury, he's just interested in stripping every penny he can out of the club. He's a bit of a disaster capitalist it seems. Nothing the EFL can do at this point, although how he passed the fit and proper person test is another matter...
Worst thing of it is, I don't believe he did pass the test! Somehow, he hasn't even taken it yet despite being allowed to take control of the club and sink it to oblivion.
There was a piece on the ITV news tonight which involved a lady from the EFL.
She clearly said that nothing came up to prevent Dale from buying the club, no bankruptcies etc.
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Think it's a lost cause. It's clear that Dale doesn't really want to save Bury, he's just interested in stripping every penny he can out of the club. He's a bit of a disaster capitalist it seems. Nothing the EFL can do at this point, although how he passed the fit and proper person test is another matter...
Worst thing of it is, I don't believe he did pass the test! Somehow, he hasn't even taken it yet despite being allowed to take control of the club and sink it to oblivion.
There was a piece on the ITV news tonight which involved a lady from the EFL.
She clearly said that nothing came up to prevent Dale from buying the club, no bankruptcies etc.
And that's the problem. It's part of the discussions we have with the EFL all the time.
Their response, and I have some sympathy, is that if they pass the test today what happens if they decide to go rogue a year or two down the line?
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Think it's a lost cause. It's clear that Dale doesn't really want to save Bury, he's just interested in stripping every penny he can out of the club. He's a bit of a disaster capitalist it seems. Nothing the EFL can do at this point, although how he passed the fit and proper person test is another matter...
Worst thing of it is, I don't believe he did pass the test! Somehow, he hasn't even taken it yet despite being allowed to take control of the club tand sink it to oblivion.
There was a piece on the ITV news tonight which involved a lady from the EFL.
She clearly said that nothing came up to prevent Dale from buying the club, no bankruptcies etc.
And that's the problem. It's part of the discussions we have with the EFL all the time.
Their response, and I have some sympathy, is that if they pass the test today what happens if they decide to go rogue a year or two down the line?
In the case of Bury though SM, Dale purchased Bury in December last year so is it the case that he has become an improper person to own a football club in the last nine months.
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Once again, Bury could be given an extension to the “expulsion deadline”.
The EFL do seem to be afraid to make the decision.
Maybe this one will go out to an arbitrator.
God knows when we will get a resolution to the Bolton conundrum that involves our game against them.
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So is tomorrow’s deadline no more? I am absolutely desperate for them to stay in business, proper club
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So is tomorrow’s deadline no more? I am absolutely desperate for them to stay in business, proper club
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49438243
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PDX - they could have Kevin Phelan too. :whistle:
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Sounds better for them now then. Potentially could be their first game v us next week
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Admittedly Queen Victoria had only just died and the First World War was over a decade away, but Bury are FA Cup winners (1903) which has to be respected.
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That is good news (potentially). Although it does mean Dale gets to ride off into the sunset saying this was his plan all along. Football eh?
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Sounds better for them now then. Potentially could be their first game v us next week
That would be fantastic hope for the fans sake they get sorted
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Earlier today the EFL lady, Jeavons? Said a deadline is a deadline however if 4 interested parties have come forward, then a 48 hour extension is reasonable. But, what then?..
How long for the takeover to be completed?
How long before Bury are ready to play?
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Call me an old romantic but I would gladly take a loss now if it meant we played them next week and they still had a club to support
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A bit more detail for those who like to dig down;
http://priceoffootball.com/bury-minutes-to-midnight/
What a fiasco!
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Call me an old romantic but I would gladly take a loss now if it meant we played them next week and they still had a club to support
Call me a old bloke that has supported Doncaster Rovers for over 40yrs, i never want to see my team lose, ever. #DRFC
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No me neither. I really hope they are saved and the game with us goes ahead, but if it does I will be expecting three good points to the Rovers.
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I don’t want to see us lose either, I was looking forward to giving Bolton a pummelling Tuesday night, it was more a token of hoping they still had a club to support
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Dale has just been on TalkSport and asked Bury fans to see if they can raise £2.7m by the end of the day. It suggests that talks with the interested parties are not going well.
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Dale has just been on TalkSport and asked Bury fans to see if they can raise £2.7m by the end of the day. It suggests that talks with the interested parties are not going well.
The thing is, Dale doesn't want the £1 he paid for the club, he wants what he thinks is the true value of it. Plus he expects to recoup all the money he's spent on the club while he's been owner!!
This is why the situation is so bad, he's completely unhinged about it, unless he really does want to screw the club in the ground to get some other benefit. I asked earlier in the thread...who owns the ground - and would they benefit from there not being a football club using it any more?
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No way that they will cough up that money on his request. I think they would rather be liquidated and start afresh. He took the risk and should take the responsibility and do the right thing!
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People even wanted us to get involved with hedge fund company's saying it was the way forward :thumbdown:
zzzzzzzzzzz
I take it you were one of them then.
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People even wanted us to get involved with hedge fund company's saying it was the way forward :thumbdown:
zzzzzzzzzzz
I take it you were one of them then.
Re: ELF... ignorance is bliss.
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No me neither. I really hope they are saved and the game with us goes ahead, but if it does I will be expecting three good points to the Rovers.
what is the betting you don't get what you expect lol, it is us you are talking about
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People even wanted us to get involved with hedge fund company's saying it was the way forward :thumbdown:
zzzzzzzzzzz
The next time you start yet another thread of pathetically negative drivel I hope that every reply it receives consists of 'zzzzzzzzzzz'.
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Dale has just been on TalkSport and asked Bury fans to see if they can raise £2.7m by the end of the day. It suggests that talks with the interested parties are not going well.
The thing is, Dale doesn't want the £1 he paid for the club, he wants what he thinks is the true value of it. Plus he expects to recoup all the money he's spent on the club while he's been owner!!
This is why the situation is so bad, he's completely unhinged about it, unless he really does want to screw the club in the ground to get some other benefit. I asked earlier in the thread...who owns the ground - and would they benefit from there not being a football club using it any more?
I'd just like to point out that Gigg Lane has an ACV lodged against it.
Which means that Bury supporters can block any sale of the ground if they wish, negating Dale's position to a point.
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Dale has just been on TalkSport and asked Bury fans to see if they can raise £2.7m by the end of the day. It suggests that talks with the interested parties are not going well.
The thing is, Dale doesn't want the £1 he paid for the club, he wants what he thinks is the true value of it. Plus he expects to recoup all the money he's spent on the club while he's been owner!!
This is why the situation is so bad, he's completely unhinged about it, unless he really does want to screw the club in the ground to get some other benefit. I asked earlier in the thread...who owns the ground - and would they benefit from there not being a football club using it any more?
I'd just like to point out that Gigg Lane has an ACV lodged against it.
Which means that Bury supporters can block any sale of the ground if they wish, negating Dale's position to a point.
Good for them! But what's the situation if Bury FC goes into liquidation and therefore doesn't exist any more - would the ACV go into abeyance and the ground can then be sold by the liquidator to pay the creditors, or does the ACV still hold some water in that situation?
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Dale has just been on TalkSport and asked Bury fans to see if they can raise £2.7m by the end of the day. It suggests that talks with the interested parties are not going well.
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The thing is, Dale doesn't want the £1 he paid for the club, he wants what he thinks is the true value of it. Plus he expects to recoup all the money he's spent on the club while he's been owner!!
This is why the situation is so bad, he's completely unhinged about it, unless he really does want to screw the club in the ground to get some other benefit. I asked earlier in the thread...who owns the ground - and would they benefit from there not being a football club using it any more?
I'd just like to point out that Gigg Lane has an ACV lodged against it.
Which means that Bury supporters can block any sale of the ground if they wish, negating Dale's position to a point.
SM, if Bury go out of business does that ACV still stand and do the fans of a club that no longer exists have a say?
COYR
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An ACV is an ACV, it doesn't disappear.
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Dale has just turned down another bid and stated the Club isn’t for sale as there aren’t any suitable buyers, Jesus wept talk about the pot calling the kettle. Looking very likely as RIP Bury FC
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Dale has just turned down another bid and stated the Club isn’t for sale as there aren’t any suitable buyers, Jesus wept talk about the pot calling the kettle. Looking very likely as RIP Bury FC
So are they getting (yet another) extension from the EFL or has their race been run?
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Dale has just turned down another bid and stated the Club isn’t for sale as there aren’t any suitable buyers, Jesus wept talk about the pot calling the kettle. Looking very likely as RIP Bury FC
Sky Sports News has just been saying there are two bids on the table, one Italian,one UK-based..?
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Dale has just turned down another bid and stated the Club isn’t for sale as there aren’t any suitable buyers, Jesus wept talk about the pot calling the kettle. Looking very likely as RIP Bury FC
So are they getting (yet another) extension from the EFL or has their race been run?
As it stands nothing has changed and they have until Midnight. The EFL aren’t going to let a maybe bid stop the expulsion. As they also now own part of the club they also have to agree to sell in full before anything else can progress and apparently no-one has approached them for that share as of yet. 3 hours and 46 minutes to save one of the oldest clubs in England.
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The local MP sounds like he's got in touch with a promising buyer. The MP has got them in touch with Accrington chairman to discuss a few things and they're supplying the EFL with proof of funds. Just Dale to sort out.
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Not so promising. From the Bury Times just now:
Italian bidder looks to be Joseph Cala. Involved in disastrous season at Gateshead last year and tried to get involved at Morecambe and Portsmouth during their financial problems.
He's just told Sky Sports News that Dale "won't sell the club and wants it to be expelled".
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More from the Bury Times:
"We also understand that having gone public about his interest earlier in the week Joe Sealey looks to be one of those in the mix as the clock ticks down.
Former Nottingham Forest owner Fawaz Al-Hasawi also showing an interest. He was recently linked to the Bolton Whites Hotel, in administration and attached to the University of Bolton Stadium."
Joe Sealey is Les Sealey's son. He said on Wednesday that he would talk to Dale but not on the terms currently demanded. This really is horrible. Been hooked all day but its like a slow motion car crash where you know its not going to end well but can't look away. Desperately feel for the Bury community
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When I say we don't have any debts then we don't have any, that's loans or otherwise. If there are no loans to call in then your scenario doesn't exist.
I almost wish we could have this comment from SM carved into stone and placed at the foot of the statue on the approach to the KM Stadium.
Or maybe placed as a ‘sticky’ on here so that every time some individual starts moaning about the ambition of our Board, or our non-existent budget, or how our owners don’t really care about the football side of the club...... we could just say “refer to above”.
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A nice thought Pancho but too many ‘agenda’s’ on here for that to be understood & appreciated unfortunately.
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8:45 - Dale says he has no bids for Bury
9:10 Daily Telegraph says he has
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Well, 25 minutes have passed to be fair.
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Rumours on twitter that a deal has been struck to save the club.
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Question is which club and community will be next? one card falls .....
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When I say we don't have any debts then we don't have any, that's loans or otherwise. If there are no loans to call in then your scenario doesn't exist.
I almost wish we could have this comment from SM carved into stone and placed at the foot of the statue on the approach to the KM Stadium.
Or maybe placed as a ‘sticky’ on here so that every time some individual starts moaning about the ambition of our Board, or our non-existent budget, or how our owners don’t really care about the football side of the club...... we could just say “refer to above”.
Lets have a crowd funder i will donate £50 for this dont know how to start it , if it set in stone
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Bury has been sold says dale
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The important statement though is the one from the EFL saying they've seen assurance of funds.
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No, the important thing is understanding who, why and what they plan to do...
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Look, as far as we are concerned, and we've been involved for quite some time, the agreement is on on heads of terms only. There's a lot to do before any of this is done and dusted.