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Title: Bolton
Post by: redarmy82 on August 24, 2019, 09:42:16 pm
They've got til Tuesday to sort their shit out, or they are kicked out of the league.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: drfchound on August 24, 2019, 09:43:19 pm
I will be amazed if the EFL go through with it.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: since-1969 on August 24, 2019, 09:44:46 pm
They've got til Tuesday to sort their shit out, or they are kicked out of the league.
Its Bury that has until Tuesday! We
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: firestarter on August 24, 2019, 09:45:02 pm
It won’t happen.. they’re Bolton.. ex premier league . Now if it were a smaller club for example .... the EFL are a complete shambles
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: firestarter on August 24, 2019, 09:45:56 pm
https://bbc.in/2U2g7yB
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: drfchound on August 24, 2019, 09:46:33 pm
They've got til Tuesday to sort their shit out, or they are kicked out of the league.
Its Bury that has until Tuesday! We





It applies to Bolton as well.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RoversAlias on August 24, 2019, 10:35:10 pm
Quite surprised by this but you know what, the EFL have finally grown some balls and are saying "enough is enough". This division is being made a mockery at the moment and it needs sorting.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Mustapha-Dump on August 24, 2019, 10:36:35 pm
Save Bury f**k Bolton
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Copps is Magic on August 24, 2019, 10:40:39 pm
Presumably if this were to happen their previous results would be expunged and we can kiss goodbye to those 3 points.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RoversAlias on August 24, 2019, 10:43:14 pm
Presumably if this were to happen their previous results would be expunged and we can kiss goodbye to those 3 points.

Well yes but I'd rather that than we'd played them, beat them 5-0 then had it taken off of us.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: les@donr on August 25, 2019, 12:12:50 am
Of the two, I think Bolton are more likely to go under. There seems to be no deal in sight and their fans seems to think liquidation and restarting again would be the best thing for their club.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: eastender on August 25, 2019, 01:11:35 am
Presumably if this were to happen their previous results would be expunged and we can kiss goodbye to those 3 points.
Which 3 points would that be ? 
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RedJ on August 25, 2019, 09:24:41 am
I honestly think both will go under by Tuesday tea time even now.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 25, 2019, 09:35:54 am
Not sure. The EFL have given Bolton some wriggle room in that statement.

Complete the takeover OR provide a credible plan to show they can complete the season.

Define credible!!??
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RedJ on August 25, 2019, 09:38:45 am
Maybe they want to see evidence of a crowdfunder.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: drfcsteve on August 25, 2019, 09:40:27 am
So Wycome and Ipswich would both be back to 8 points and Coventry would lose a point and be on 10 overall?
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RobTheRover on August 25, 2019, 09:46:53 am
Maybe they want to see evidence of a crowdfunder.

Can't they sell signed photos of local celebrities, like brothers Vernon and Peter Kay?
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 25, 2019, 09:47:28 am
Maybe they want to see evidence of a crowdfunder.

I suspect the Takeover will go through on Monday as Ken Anderson will become even more of a hate figure if he doesn't agree to the terms. It's still not clear however, who is taking over and whether their interest is really in football or the hotel business so there's plenty of questions yet to be answered.

The EFL then may be put under more pressure by giving Bolton opponents to date an advantage if the results then stand.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RobTheRover on August 25, 2019, 10:14:09 am
All joking aside, this is serious for the clubs and for the EFL.

The EFL cannot let a team unilaterally decide they aren't fielding a dlteam without there being serious repercussions.   I would expect as a minimum, once the Bolton takeover goes through, a large fine and a further points deduction. Whether we end up with the points or a rearranged fixture is in the lap of the gods, I think.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Dare to dream! on August 25, 2019, 10:32:25 am
I think it’s a fair position from the EFL. The admin/buyers need a kick up the arse because they sound like they’re taking the piss and its causing more disruption to the league.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Copps is Magic on August 25, 2019, 10:59:10 am
Presumably if this were to happen their previous results would be expunged and we can kiss goodbye to those 3 points.
Which 3 points would that be ?

The 3 points pretty much every poster on here has been begging for/thinks we deserve.

I'm going to say something daft here but I feel for now we're better off without them. Well....at the very least let's say I like our league position - just bobbing along nicely under the radar and doesn't put too much pressure on the lads.

If the EFL could give us the 3 points sometime towards the end of the season that would be grand.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: IDM on August 25, 2019, 11:07:04 am
We only need the 3 points awarded if Bolton survive.  If they don’t, the other results are expunged.

I got a reply from the EFL to my email of last week regarding our match at Bolton, all they said was they were unable to comment further at this point.

My issue isn’t with Bolton - in many respects I hope they can survive even if at a lower level - it’s more at the current inequality we face compared to other league one rivals ie Tranmere and especially Ipswich.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: streatham dave on August 25, 2019, 12:47:55 pm
Some of the comments from Bolton fans on twitter have drained most of the sympathy I ever had for them. Blocked two earlier today. Hope they continue to exist in some form for the good fans, I'm sure they must have some somewhere.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Pliskin on August 25, 2019, 01:02:11 pm
In future this sort of deadline should apply to all clubs and be fixed on a date before each season starts.

If you can't prove that you can complete the coming season, then you're out.

We can't have this circus happening again, not knowing whether fixtures are actually going ahead from one week to the next - especially as it unfairly affects clubs who play by the rules.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: dknward2 on August 25, 2019, 01:07:26 pm
Should have been sorted before the start of the season say the Saturday before the 1st game
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Barmby Rover on August 25, 2019, 01:11:14 pm
Not sure. The EFL have given Bolton some wriggle room in that statement.

Complete the takeover OR provide a credible plan to show they can complete the season.

Define credible!!??
Playing only those teams that will beat us soundly, if it someone who can possibly make double figures we will claim injuries and not turn up. Good enough for the EFL.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: PDX_Rover on August 26, 2019, 02:01:56 am
Maybe they want to see evidence of a crowdfunder.
and their other siblings Tally Ho Kay And Paul ‘Dennis Pennis’ Kay...

Can't they sell signed photos of local celebrities, like brothers Vernon and Peter Kay?
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Chris Black come back on August 26, 2019, 09:38:41 am
It is worth remembering that we are a sensible, well run and managed club, seeking to make prudent decisions - but we are still reliant on our owners to put in £2 million each year. Should that end for whatever reason then we are rapidly heading towards same position as these guys. Perhaps not as abruptly but take £2 million out of our annual spend and see what that would do to the squad.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 26, 2019, 10:26:45 am
The latest today from Bolton News clarifies that even if nothing changes by 5pm tomorrow, Bolton have another 14 days to resolve their problems so they will Not be expelled on Tuesday.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17860141.takeover-delay-prompts-concern-bolton-wanderers/
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 26, 2019, 10:32:05 am
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/sport/uk-sport-news/bolton-wanderers-face-efl-expulsion-3251136

Another report confirming the same. Whether they will be allowed to play in this 14 day notice period is unclear.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: MachoMadness on August 26, 2019, 10:46:58 am
Takeover bid collapsed according to the Beeb. Bolton's EFL future under renewed threat after takeover deal collapses - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49470865
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Colin C No.3 on August 26, 2019, 10:48:49 am
In future this sort of deadline should apply to all clubs and be fixed on a date before each season starts.

If you can't prove that you can complete the coming season, then you're out.

We can't have this circus happening again, not knowing whether fixtures are actually going ahead from one week to the next - especially as it unfairly affects clubs who play by the rules.
Reading your post Pliskin, I couldn’t help but think that is exactly the ‘conversation’ the EFL Committee Members should be having/should have had amongst themselves.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RedJ on August 26, 2019, 10:49:11 am
It's f**king ridiculous that this is being allowed to drag on and on. Should get your notice to be withdrawn the first league fixture you can't fulfill then if you can't sort your shit out before the deadline you get the boot. We managed, why can't they?
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Muttley on August 26, 2019, 10:49:50 am
Latest statement from the administrator is not so optimistic.

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Statement on behalf of Paul Appleton, Joint Administrator For Bolton Wanderers

At 5pm on Friday August 23, the completion of the sale of the football club and the hotel had been agreed by all parties and undertakings had been issued by all solicitors except those of Ken Anderson.
Devastatingly, on Saturday morning that deal collapsed. At this stage, there seems little point in apportioning blame because that makes no difference to the staff, players, management, supporters and the community who have once more seen their club taken back to the brink.
 
My team have spent the last 48 hours working around the clock, striving to get a deal back on track and trying to convince the parties still in conflict that the very fate of Bolton Wanderers depends on them finding a compromise.
 
The EFL have made their position clear by insisting on a 5pm deadline on Tuesday for a deal to be completed or give compelling reasons for an extension. They have also written to everybody concerned in the process to underline that sense of urgency.
 
On Sunday evening, there was some tentative dialogue but we are still some way from reaching a solution. Therefore, I am appealing to those parties whose position seems intractable to do everything to reach a compromise.
 
In just over 24 hours, the club will have its membership of the EFL revoked. Over and above that, the club is currently not in a position to carry on trading and, as such, the process of closing down the company will commence on Wednesday.
 
This will ultimately lead to its liquidation, the expulsion of the club from the EFL and the inevitable loss of over 150 jobs. More than that, it will devastate a community for whom the football club is a beacon of hope and expectation.
 
I reiterate, unless there is a change of position from any of the parties involved, the process of closing down the club and ultimately placing Bolton Wanderers into liquidation will begin this week.

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/statement-on-behalf-of-paul-appleton-joint-administrator-for-bolton-wanderers4/?fbclid=IwAR0P6BYIIChcD_pBquSny3QTJ-jq948LaSBpRgoi4GjBXUAUC-_rMsa1emY
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RoversAlias on August 26, 2019, 11:05:43 am
Liquidation process begins on Wednesday if they can't get a sale done then.

It's pathetic that it's come to this, sounds like everything was in place and then Anderson has pulled plug for God knows what reason.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: wing commander on August 26, 2019, 11:13:52 am
And that adds further weight to why they cancelled our game,it would have lost them money,with such a low gate on a Tuesday and as the statement says,they are not in a position to continue trading...If that game was profitable the welfare issue wouldn't have come into it..Regardless I hope this statement makes the party's realise they need to compromise to get a deal done
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: MachoMadness on August 26, 2019, 11:21:13 am
Liquidation process begins on Wednesday if they can't get a sale done then.

It's pathetic that it's come to this, sounds like everything was in place and then Anderson has pulled plug for God knows what reason.
Rich blokes playing chicken again. Saw the same thing with Dale at Bury. Pushing it right to the wire to get a better deal for himself, but one of these days that isn't going to work and a club will fold.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Metalmicky on August 26, 2019, 11:59:13 am
and more....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49470865
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: donnyspadge on August 26, 2019, 12:22:25 pm
If Bolton do get thrown out what happens to the points the teams have taken off them do they get deducted from the points they have and also the goals scored?
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: MachoMadness on August 26, 2019, 12:26:43 pm
I assume their results will be expunged, yeah.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 26, 2019, 01:30:52 pm
Wow! So the Administrator has lost patience now!
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: eastender on August 26, 2019, 01:38:48 pm
Who wants to take this on.

(https://i.imgur.com/2DlqNdf.jpg)
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 26, 2019, 01:50:57 pm
That's a lot of Pasties! Serves them right for thinking they are upper CRUST!
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Michael Shaw on August 26, 2019, 01:55:22 pm
I will believe it when I see it. Bury have had a stay of execution and I would not be surprised if the same happens to Bolton.
I would just like to see this season stabilise and get on with games so we all know where we really are, and both teams come out fighting next season. A shame it can't be in League Two for both of them.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: Michael Shaw on August 26, 2019, 01:59:14 pm
At the moment poor old Bury volunteers are preparing their stadium for a match which may or may not go ahead, and may or may not be expunged if it is played. What a mess.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: drfchound on August 26, 2019, 03:58:27 pm
Crazy that the plug wasn’t pulled at the weekend to be honest.
Too many deadlines already been extended and then it was decided that midnight Friday was the limit.
Deal allegedly agreed so all is ok but then deal off again on Saturday morning.
What next if the so called Tuesday deadline passes and liquidation commences on Wednesday?
It wouldn’t surprise me if there was another “hang on a minute” moment.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: selby on August 26, 2019, 04:33:45 pm
  Can they negotiate Brexit.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: esdailles left foot on August 26, 2019, 04:46:19 pm
They're both a shambles who should never have been allowed to complete this season
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: idler on August 26, 2019, 04:54:09 pm
They're both a shambles who should never have been allowed to complete this season
They might not complete this season.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: silent majority on August 26, 2019, 05:00:03 pm
They're both a shambles who should never have been allowed to complete this season
They might not complete this season.

They might not, but shutting down football clubs is the last thing we should be thinking of.

Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: RedJ on August 26, 2019, 05:38:18 pm
They're both a shambles who should never have been allowed to complete this season
They might not complete this season.

They might not, but shutting down football clubs is the last thing we should be thinking of.



Of course it is, but it's hardly fair on the clubs that do have their house in order that they've been allowed to make a t**t of the competition.
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: steve@dcfd on August 26, 2019, 06:01:11 pm
At the moment poor old Bury volunteers are preparing their stadium for a match which may or may not go ahead, and may or may not be expunged if it is played. What a mess.

They must prove they can complete the season if not why are we risking our players getting injured when the result could be wiped from this season. EFL are weak and ineffective they should suspend both clubs for this season wipe results and set them off in League 2 next season. 2 teams to be relegated. Sick of reading do you want to be Bury or Bolton the answer is no but their situation as been brought by themselves and they are making a mockery of the league this season and well run clubs are not being helped by the EFL
Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: the vicar on August 26, 2019, 06:23:19 pm
  Can they negotiate Brexit.
No Boris will see to that thanks
Title: Re: Bolton
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Title: Re: Bolton
Post by: drfchound on August 27, 2019, 08:29:28 am
The Bolton and Bury situations are an ongoing shambles.
Allowing things to continue as they are is unbelievable, players and staff not getting paid, games being cancelled and causing fixture pile ups later on, deadlines being constantly put back etc etc.

As much as I feel sorry for their fans (we have been there) maybe the time is right to go through with the liquidation threats.

It might just hammer home the point that clubs can’t live beyond their means and that the EFL should take more care when allowing takeovers of clubs.

There are dozens of cases of clubs almost going out of business and getting away with it by the skin of their teeth.