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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Jersey Rover on December 01, 2019, 03:43:05 pm
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Completely confused as to what Darren Moore is trying to achieve with his tactic. Cannot even guess what they are. Week after week poor first half’s, lack of forward movement through midfield, very few attempts on goal, playing and signing players not good enough at this level. What are we trying to achieve
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Not sure he isn’t more scared of losing than trying to win a game at the minute 4 at the back with 3 defensive midfielders in both bens and Gomes, was much better at the start of the season playing more attacking
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We average the most shots per 90 in the league.
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
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Roll on Saturday, let's get this game behind us and pick 3pts up.
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Its not doom and gloom just a opinion I had sorry
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Roll on Saturday, let's get this game behind us and pick 3pts up.
That’s the right answer Bezza.
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It's up to date. We average 14.76 shots per game. Portsmouth in 2nd with 13.
It is league games so FA Cup doesn't count.
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Today is think we had 2 on target.
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Poor result today no doubt, big couple of weeks ahead now.
I still think up to the striker position we are a good side but that position is so, so important. Without signings there in Jan our season will finish average.
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Sadlier off form. Taylor benched. Who is going to score for us at the moment?
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Roll on Saturday, let's get this game behind us and pick 3pts up.
That’s the right answer Bezza.
meaning you don't care about WEDNESDAY
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We have games in hand to play
We may have injuries,sickness we don’t know about
Today we didn’t need,if we won fair enough otherwise let’s get on with the league
Personally I back DMs decisions and look forward to a fantastic January transfer window
Maybe not this year but Whiteman believes that’s good enough for me
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Only thing that baffles me is how Gomes gets anywhere near the squad
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Fair to say that Gomes was not at his best today.
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Given the board apparently ‘factor in’ a figure of £200,000+ from cup games, does that tie our hands somewhat come the January transfer window?
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Roll on Saturday, let's get this game behind us and pick 3pts up.
That’s the right answer Bezza.
meaning you don't care about WEDNESDAY
Don’t give a second thought to Sheffield Wednesday.
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We started with 4-3-3 and only after 5 minutes reverted to 3-5-2, we were all over the place, preferring to go sideways and backwards than forwards through the midfield. You cannot play Sadlier up front, end of subject, he needs to ball at his feet where he take it on the half turn and run at the opposition. The way we play we might as well have no one up front as they do a lot or running to find space but never see the ball because we don't look for the pass to find them.
Even when we play 4-3-3 we play with the two FB's high up the pitch which nullifies the two wingers who end up coming inside into traffic to give the FB's space down the flank, utterly ridiculous.
Play to the strength of the players that you have, not to a system or systems that no one knows or likes, we are not playing because we are over thinking things.
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Fair to say that Gomes was not at his best today.
Has he ever been at his best ?..... according to our gaffer he’s been outstanding
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Gomes was poor today. No question of that. Nigh on everyone was poor today.
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
Campsall mate you can not gloss it up no matter how you try, at the moment we are not good, you know how much Rovers mean to me same as you but I will not defend bad play week in week out, we pay good hard earned money to watch our team so a little commitment from the players would be nice
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
Campsall mate you can not gloss it up no matter how you try, at the moment we are not good, you know how much Rovers mean to me same as you but I will not defend bad play week in week out, we pay good hard earned money to watch our team so a little commitment from the players would be nice
Can’t comment on today as wasn’t there, but Vicar are you telling me the players haven’t shown full commitment in all the other games this season. Surely not. You have been watching a different team to me if that’s what you think.
Yes we have not been at our best in recent games no question.
But commitment, sorry disagree.
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
Campsall mate you can not gloss it up no matter how you try, at the moment we are not good, you know how much Rovers mean to me same as you but I will not defend bad play week in week out, we pay good hard earned money to watch our team so a little commitment from the players would be nice
Can’t comment on today as wasn’t there, but Vicar are you telling me the players haven’t shown full commitment in all the other games this season. Surely not. You have been watching a different team to me if that’s what you think.
Yes we have not been at our best in recent games no question.
But commitment, sorry disagree.
Anyone that was not at the game cannot comment on the players commitment or indeed on the game in general. I did make the trip and can honestly say that todays result had nothing to do with players not giving 200%.
The management got today wrong, we never got out the traps, the players looked nervous and indesisive and very ill at ease with the system they were being asked to play. For me we should have reverted back to a 4-3-3 at half time and replaced Gomes with Taylor, gone to a plat back four of Halliday, John, Wright & James, Sheaf moved back int the middle alongside Whiteman with Copps back in the 10 playing being Sadlier wide on the left, Taylor wide on the right and Bingham down the middle and then hit them down the flanks where there was a ton of space that the wing backs (Halliday & James) were not utilising when playing to the 3-5-2 system and in any vase I am not sure they are best crossers of the ball, we have better in the team.
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Let's just hope it was an experiment playing the 3. He said some time ago he might play 3 at the back at some point but he wanted everyone to be comfortable with the 4 3 3 first. The only other reason could be protecting Cameron John on his first major game back. Whatever the reason, it was scuppered within 15 minutes.
Back to basics for all concerned now.
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
Campsall mate you can not gloss it up no matter how you try, at the moment we are not good, you know how much Rovers mean to me same as you but I will not defend bad play week in week out, we pay good hard earned money to watch our team so a little commitment from the players would be nice
Can’t comment on today as wasn’t there, but Vicar are you telling me the players haven’t shown full commitment in all the other games this season. Surely not. You have been watching a different team to me if that’s what you think.
Yes we have not been at our best in recent games no question.
But commitment, sorry disagree.
Anyone that was not at the game cannot comment on the players commitment or indeed on the game in general. I did make the trip and can honestly say that todays result had nothing to do with players not giving 200%.
The management got today wrong, we never got out the traps, the players looked nervous and indesisive and very ill at ease with the system they were being asked to play. For me we should have reverted back to a 4-3-3 at half time and replaced Gomes with Taylor, gone to a plat back four of Halliday, John, Wright & James, Sheaf moved back int the middle alongside Whiteman with Copps back in the 10 playing being Sadlier wide on the left, Taylor wide on the right and Bingham down the middle and then hit them down the flanks where there was a ton of space that the wing backs (Halliday & James) were not utilising when playing to the 3-5-2 system and in any vase I am not sure they are best crossers of the ball, we have better in the team.
Not quite true ND.
People who were not at the game but did watch it live are in a position to comment on the performance of the players and the team.
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
Campsall mate you can not gloss it up no matter how you try, at the moment we are not good, you know how much Rovers mean to me same as you but I will not defend bad play week in week out, we pay good hard earned money to watch our team so a little commitment from the players would be nice
Can’t comment on today as wasn’t there, but Vicar are you telling me the players haven’t shown full commitment in all the other games this season. Surely not. You have been watching a different team to me if that’s what you think.
Yes we have not been at our best in recent games no question.
But commitment, sorry disagree.
Anyone that was not at the game cannot comment on the players commitment or indeed on the game in general. I did make the trip and can honestly say that todays result had nothing to do with players not giving 200%.
The management got today wrong, we never got out the traps, the players looked nervous and indesisive and very ill at ease with the system they were being asked to play. For me we should have reverted back to a 4-3-3 at half time and replaced Gomes with Taylor, gone to a plat back four of Halliday, John, Wright & James, Sheaf moved back int the middle alongside Whiteman with Copps back in the 10 playing being Sadlier wide on the left, Taylor wide on the right and Bingham down the middle and then hit them down the flanks where there was a ton of space that the wing backs (Halliday & James) were not utilising when playing to the 3-5-2 system and in any case I am not sure they are best crossers of the ball, we have better in the team.
Not quite true ND.
People who were not at the game but did watch it live are in a position to comment on the performance of the players and the team.
Well okay, but not sure watching it on the TV gives you a sense and view of a players work rate off the ball as well as on it, but I take your point DRFCHound
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Was that stat not from a few weeks ago? You might be right but to me we have not been anywhere near as attacking in the last few games as earlier on in the season
It’s all doom and gloom every time we lose.
Let’s see what the next 3 league games brings.
Today we very poor by the sounds of it but 1 game doesn’t define a season, neither does 3 or 4
Campsall mate you can not gloss it up no matter how you try, at the moment we are not good, you know how much Rovers mean to me same as you but I will not defend bad play week in week out, we pay good hard earned money to watch our team so a little commitment from the players would be nice
Can’t comment on today as wasn’t there, but Vicar are you telling me the players haven’t shown full commitment in all the other games this season. Surely not. You have been watching a different team to me if that’s what you think.
Yes we have not been at our best in recent games no question.
But commitment, sorry disagree.
Anyone that was not at the game cannot comment on the players commitment or indeed on the game in general. I did make the trip and can honestly say that todays result had nothing to do with players not giving 200%.
The management got today wrong, we never got out the traps, the players looked nervous and indesisive and very ill at ease with the system they were being asked to play. For me we should have reverted back to a 4-3-3 at half time and replaced Gomes with Taylor, gone to a plat back four of Halliday, John, Wright & James, Sheaf moved back int the middle alongside Whiteman with Copps back in the 10 playing being Sadlier wide on the left, Taylor wide on the right and Bingham down the middle and then hit them down the flanks where there was a ton of space that the wing backs (Halliday & James) were not utilising when playing to the 3-5-2 system and in any case I am not sure they are best crossers of the ball, we have better in the team.
Not quite true ND.
People who were not at the game but did watch it live are in a position to comment on the performance of the players and the team.
Well okay, but not sure watching it on the TV gives you a sense and view of a players work rate off the ball as well as on it, but I take your point DRFCHound
Yes, and that it true about parts of the pitch that isn’t on camera, I agree on that.
However watching it live on screen is a good indicator of what is happening overall.
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Other than hull in pre season, Gomes has been poor in all the games I’ve seen. Sadlier is a much better player, and playing gomes is pushing sadlier either out the side or out of position.
This starting line up is our best bet at the moment
Dieng
Halliday Anderson John James
Whiteman. Sheaf
Sadlier. Coppinger. Taylor.
Ennis
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Agree with that.
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Other than hull in pre season, Gomes has been poor in all the games I’ve seen. Sadlier is a much better player, and playing gomes is pushing sadlier either out the side or out of position.
This starting line up is our best bet at the moment
Dieng
Halliday Anderson John James
Whiteman. Sheaf
Sadlier. Coppinger. Taylor.
Ennis
Agree on that Dickos. :thumbsup:
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I know he is coming back from injury but Joe Wright needs to start consistently stepping up. He needs to iron out the errors he is prone to and start being more imposing. He is 25 in February and closing in on 100 games as a pro. Tom Anderson is only a year or so older and with 20 or so games more under his belt, but is more steady and consistent. Hope this is the season Wright can stay fit and add some solidity and consistency to his obvious talents.
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I know he is coming back from injury but Joe Wright needs to start consistently stepping up. He needs to iron out the errors he is prone to and start being more imposing. He is 25 in February and closing in on 100 games as a pro. Tom Anderson is only a year or so older and with 20 or so games more under his belt, but is more steady and consistent. Hope this is the season Wright can stay fit and add some solidity and consistency to his obvious talents.
I got slaughtered on this site a couple of years ago for daring to suggest that Tom could keep Joe out of the team.
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It selects itself when all available
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Wonder what his thinking is leaving Taylor out unless had a knock as has been very good lately
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‘‘Twas rubbish and so was Mr Moore’s tactics today. Only glad I never went
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Other than hull in pre season, Gomes has been poor in all the games I’ve seen. Sadlier is a much better player, and playing gomes is pushing sadlier either out the side or out of position.
This starting line up is our best bet at the moment
Dieng
Halliday Anderson John James
Whiteman. Sheaf
Sadlier. Coppinger. Taylor.
Ennis
Not according to DM:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-darren-moore-why-madger-gomes-has-been-side-recently-1328901
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Gomes appears to be the new Lewis Guy. Brilliant in training!
Gomes did have another decent game, I can't remember who it was against, Peterborough?? But on balance he's missing in action more than not. I can't help thinking selections like his inclusion have a negative effect on the rest of the players. I do wonder whether Sadlier is going through the motions and DM has got a job on his hands trying to manage him correctly to get the best from him. Clearly a talented player but recently just not on his game.
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Gomes appears to be the new Lewis Guy. Brilliant in training!
Gomes did have another decent game, I can't remember who it was against, Peterborough?? But on balance he's missing in action more than not. I can't help thinking selections like his inclusion have a negative effect on the rest of the players. I do wonder whether Sadlier is going through the motions and DM has got a job on his hands trying to manage him correctly to get the best from him. Clearly a talented player but recently just not on his game.
DBR, Sadlier is our top goal scorer who has scored in 3 of our last 4 league games, the last of which was at Wycombe where he was benched and played just 25 minutes. He was also benched in the FA Cup 1st Round replay for all but 3 minutes and then started today up top, he is not a CF he is a wide player. Your suggestion that he has been "going through the motions" as you put it, is frankly absurd and insulting to the player.
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I dont want to knock Gomes as he clearly has something. He is technically quite good and works hard. What he cannot do though is impose himself on a game and can easily go missing.
Harsh reality is he wouldnt get in the side for me that is aiming for promotion. Maybe he will come good but he is not there yet.
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We all know DM has coached at a higher level than this, so maybe the players we have are just not good enough to put his tactics into operation. I'd love to know if this is the case, and if so, should he persevere with this tactic until he trains it into the players, or revert to a system they are more comfortable with? I get it he is trying to improve the way we play, but while ever he persevere's with this, we are gonna get results like yesterday until the lads are comfortable with what he is trying to do. A conundrum indeed.
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Lets stop pussyfooting about,we will do nothing with players like Gomes Thomas and Bingham at the club,If Darren Moore thinks that these players are good enough then you have to question Darren Moores judgement.It is no coincidence that the club are bringing in a new recruitment bloke or whatever title they give him.
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We all know DM has coached at a higher level than this, so maybe the players we have are just not good enough to put his tactics into operation. I'd love to know if this is the case, and if so, should he persevere with this tactic until he trains it into the players, or revert to a system they are more comfortable with? I get it he is trying to improve the way we play, but while ever he persevere's with this, we are gonna get results like yesterday until the lads are comfortable with what he is trying to do. A conundrum indeed.
Can’t quite fathom out why he would change a way of playing that was working so well. The old adage of do not try to re invent the wheel comes to mind.
Please Darren just because you have the same 1st name as Fergie please don’t turn into him and start putting round pegs into square holes. :headbang:
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Wonder what his thinking is leaving Taylor out unless had a knock as has been very good lately
I did notice that when Taylor was doing the stretching exercises at Wimbledon he avoided stretching the groin! I questioned it at the time.
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Other than hull in pre season, Gomes has been poor in all the games I’ve seen. Sadlier is a much better player, and playing gomes is pushing sadlier either out the side or out of position.
This starting line up is our best bet at the moment
Dieng
Halliday Anderson John James
Whiteman. Sheaf
Sadlier. Coppinger. Taylor.
Ennis
That side fit every week could win the league
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Sounds to me as though yesterday was just a bad day. Different tactics which didn't work and too many bad performers. It happens. Comments about us not being good enough "week in, week out" and "where are we going" are knee-jerk and unnecessary. Why do we always have this after one defeat?
We aren't in great form but we're still a good side. Injuries haven't helped of late, and we obviously need a proper striker. But people don't half get carried away.
For the record, I wasn't at the game yesterday nor did I watch or follow it - I was at the mercy of paramedics this time yesterday so didn't even know the score until about 7pm.
We have a good chance to put recent woes right next Saturday, at home to a team who are struggling. I hope the fans come out for it as we haven't had much chance to go watch Rovers lately.
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Sounds to me as though yesterday was just a bad day. Different tactics which didn't work and too many bad performers. It happens. Comments about us not being good enough "week in, week out" and "where are we going" are knee-jerk and unnecessary. Why do we always have this after one defeat?
We aren't in great form but we're still a good side. Injuries haven't helped of late, and we obviously need a proper striker. But people don't half get carried away.
For the record, I wasn't at the game yesterday nor did I watch or follow it - I was at the mercy of paramedics this time yesterday so didn't even know the score until about 7pm.
We have a good chance to put recent woes right next Saturday, at home to a team who are struggling. I hope the fans come out for it as we haven't had much chance to go watch Rovers lately.
By God Alias, that sounds scary. Are you OK now mate?
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Let’s see what happens in January will DM and the new recruitment guy be able to bring in the players we need. If it’s all young lads then we can forget this season for promotion. We need better than what we have in the front four. Players with an overall good game and can score goals. Tactics then won’t come into it we should have players that can play in more than one way. Yesterday we had 6 shots yet only 2 on target.
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Let’s see what happens in January will DM and the new recruitment guy be able to bring in the players we need. If it’s all young lads then we can forget this season for promotion. We need better than what we have in the front four. Players with an overall good game and can score goals. Tactics then won’t come into it we should have players that can play in more than one way. Yesterday we had 6 shots yet only 2 on target.
Still banging this drum of yours about needing a better front 4 I see lol, the less said about that the better frankly as its ridiculous, I agree we need a more mobile better CF that can lead the line but that's where it starts and stops - did you watch any of the early season games where for game after game we tore teams to shreds with our front 4?
TBH your comments show a complete lack of knowledge of the game and a naiveness thinking that players should be able to easily adapt to new systems. Teams take weeks even months getting used to playing different systems. The key is to introduce and work with systems that suit the players you have, not shoehorn them into a system that you as a manger want them to play to. Equally, you cannot expect a winger who has never played CF to slot in there and do a job, especially if as a team you continue hitting long high hopeful balls up to him.
You refer to yesterdays game and the lack of chances created, if you were there or watched on TV then you should have noticed we had a front 2 not 4 and a midfield of 5 behind them who's job it was to feed the front 2 which they didn't do because we couldn't get hold of the ball long enough to create anything. I equally notice you chose not to mention Gillingham's goals yesterday, our defence who for the past 5-6 games have been very sloppy bringing the ball out and giving it away cheaply, did it again yesterday and this time we got punished for it, twice within minutes of each other and found ourselves two down very early in the game which is very difficult to recover from. Their third, later in the game in the second half was also down to defensive errors that were worse than the first two.
As RoversAlias and one or two others has already posted, the hysteria on here because we lose a game is ridiculous. We have suffered with key players getting injured, the fact that we don't have a good mobile recognised CF is all that is wrong. With everyone fit and if we were able to pick our strongest side, which others have done on here already today as well then we would be pushing the top 6, cancelled games has also not helped.
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Hey New Donny are you Sadliers agent or relation. But I know what we played yesterday I know your boy played CF. Not in his and your favoured position. He’s scored Six goals in the league 4 when playing right or left and 2 at CF. But his overall game is poor were ever he plays. The best game for me this season was Peterborough at home when he played on the right side. I watched a lot of football in my 68 years at all levels so I’m not naive as you put it. Majority of the games we have played have suited Sads but his performances have not matched the goals he’s scored.
We need better whether we can afford better is another question. With a striker and another attacking midfield player we will improve if they are better than what we have. So let’s see we will only know in January. I know you and others don’t like my views but if DM can’t sign better the we will have to accept mediocrity as standard.
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Let’s see what happens in January will DM and the new recruitment guy be able to bring in the players we need. If it’s all young lads then we can forget this season for promotion. We need better than what we have in the front four. Players with an overall good game and can score goals. Tactics then won’t come into it we should have players that can play in more than one way. Yesterday we had 6 shots yet only 2 on target.
“We need better than what we have in the front 4” Are you seriously saying that Coppinger Sadlier and Taylor are not good enough, as they are three of our front 4.
We are just a central striker ( centre forward ) short of a formidable front 4 imo.
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Coppinger I would have in my side. Taylor good pace but lacks finishing and goals. Sadlier again I’ve said can score but I believe his overall performance is not good enough. We haven’t got a consistent quality CF that must be put right. The litmus paper test is, which of those players would get in any of the present top six sides only Copps comes close.
2 new players to add to what we’ve got but they must be better otherwise we will not achieve top six.
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Hey New Donny are you Sadliers agent or relation. But I know what we played yesterday I know your boy played CF. Not in his and your favoured position. He’s scored Six goals in the league 4 when playing right or left and 2 at CF. But his overall game is poor were ever he plays. The best game for me this season was Peterborough at home when he played on the right side. I watched a lot of football in my 68 years at all levels so I’m not naive as you put it. Majority of the games we have played have suited Sads but his performances have not matched the goals he’s scored.
We need better whether we can afford better is another question. With a striker and another attacking midfield player we will improve if they are better than what we have. So let’s see we will only know in January. I know you and others don’t like my views but if DM can’t sign better the we will have to accept mediocrity as standard.
Whatever or whoever I am is none of your business and you are talking out of your annus horribilis steve my old mate. Age does not make you an authority on football nor indeed how many games you have watched and to suggest that Sadlier's all around performances have been poor strongly points towards you need to visits spec savers. This is the most ridiculous thing I have read on here, but every fans forum has one and you are definitely it.
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Hey New Donny are you Sadliers agent or relation. But I know what we played yesterday I know your boy played CF. Not in his and your favoured position. He’s scored Six goals in the league 4 when playing right or left and 2 at CF. But his overall game is poor were ever he plays. The best game for me this season was Peterborough at home when he played on the right side. I watched a lot of football in my 68 years at all levels so I’m not naive as you put it. Majority of the games we have played have suited Sads but his performances have not matched the goals he’s scored.
We need better whether we can afford better is another question. With a striker and another attacking midfield player we will improve if they are better than what we have. So let’s see we will only know in January. I know you and others don’t like my views but if DM can’t sign better the we will have to accept mediocrity as standard.
Whatever or whoever I am is none of your business and you are talking out of your annus horribilis steve my old mate. Age does not make you an authority on football nor indeed how many games you have watched and to suggest that Sadlier's all around performances have been poor strongly points towards you need to visits spec savers. This is the most ridiculous thing I have read on here, but every fans forum has one and you are definitely it.
Your view on one player is different to mine I hope he proves me wrong because that means my team and yours, while he’s here, will win more games and score more goals . If you want have a go at me that’s up to you, it means you are leaving others alone, but it’s water off a ducks back.
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Hey New Donny are you Sadliers agent or relation. But I know what we played yesterday I know your boy played CF. Not in his and your favoured position. He’s scored Six goals in the league 4 when playing right or left and 2 at CF. But his overall game is poor were ever he plays. The best game for me this season was Peterborough at home when he played on the right side. I watched a lot of football in my 68 years at all levels so I’m not naive as you put it. Majority of the games we have played have suited Sads but his performances have not matched the goals he’s scored.
We need better whether we can afford better is another question. With a striker and another attacking midfield player we will improve if they are better than what we have. So let’s see we will only know in January. I know you and others don’t like my views but if DM can’t sign better the we will have to accept mediocrity as standard.
Whatever or whoever I am is none of your business and you are talking out of your annus horribilis steve my old mate. Age does not make you an authority on football nor indeed how many games you have watched and to suggest that Sadlier's all around performances have been poor strongly points towards you need to visits spec savers. This is the most ridiculous thing I have read on here, but every fans forum has one and you are definitely it.
Your view on one player is different to mine I hope he proves me wrong because that means my team and yours, while he’s here, will win more games and score more goals . If you want have a go at me that’s up to you, it means you are leaving others alone, but it’s water off a ducks back.
That one player has nothing to prove to you or anyone else, the difference is your too blinkered to see a seriously talented player when you see one lol.
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Sadlier is a very talented player and has the potential to play at a higher level than League 1 imo.
Yes his form has dropped off in the last few weeks but he is not the only one who’s form has dipped.
Taylor likewise has loads of ability but is older and has probably past his peak now.
Yes he doesn’t score enough goals but i wouldn’t want to be a full back when he is running at me with the ball.
With a quality centre forward like Marquis we would now without question imo be in the top 4 in this league with 3 games in hand.
We would have a serious chance of automatic promotion this season.
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Coppinger I would have in my side. Taylor good pace but lacks finishing and goals. Sadlier again I’ve said can score but I believe his overall performance is not good enough. We haven’t got a consistent quality CF that must be put right. The litmus paper test is, which of those players would get in any of the present top six sides only Copps comes close.
2 new players to add to what we’ve got but they must be better otherwise we will not achieve top six.
Disagree with that steve@dcfd we have 3 of the best front players in this league in terms of their creativity. None of those 3 are prolific goal scorers but are all capable of getting 7-12 goals a season & if we had Marquis, Norwood or Toney up front we would be very formidable indeed with a 20+ goals man to lead the line.
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The trouble is Campsall, twenty goals a season strikers are hard to come by and are usually wanting decent wages.
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The trouble is Campsall, twenty goals a season strikers are hard to come by and are usually wanting decent wages.
Not doubting that hound. But we had one last season and the season before and the season before.
We need to unearth another gem from somewhere. They are out there we just need to get lucky again as we did with JM.
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Lucky?
Or good recruitment
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Lucky?
Or good recruitment
Either.
So did we get lucky with Marquis as let’s face it he hadn’t pulled up any trees at his previous clubs.
Was that good recruitment or did we get lucky? Probably a bit of both.
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Sounds to me as though yesterday was just a bad day. Different tactics which didn't work and too many bad performers. It happens. Comments about us not being good enough "week in, week out" and "where are we going" are knee-jerk and unnecessary. Why do we always have this after one defeat?
We aren't in great form but we're still a good side. Injuries haven't helped of late, and we obviously need a proper striker. But people don't half get carried away.
For the record, I wasn't at the game yesterday nor did I watch or follow it - I was at the mercy of paramedics this time yesterday so didn't even know the score until about 7pm.
We have a good chance to put recent woes right next Saturday, at home to a team who are struggling. I hope the fans come out for it as we haven't had much chance to go watch Rovers lately.
By God Alias, that sounds scary. Are you OK now mate?
I am on the mend now, thanks Steve. Not a fun few days by any means but I hope to be fighting fit again by the time the MK Dons game rolls around!
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
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Slightly?
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
So there was a guarantee that Marquis was going to be a success. No there is never a guarantee.
There is always an element of good fortune or luck as well.
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
Some dross also signed by previous managers. Not all one way traffic unearthing diamonds right left and centre.
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
Some dross also signed by previous managers. Not all one way traffic unearthing diamonds right left and centre.
I didn’t say there wasn’t
Every manager on the planet has signed some dross
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
So there was a guarantee that Marquis was going to be a success. No there is never a guarantee.
There is always an element of good fortune or luck as well.
Obviously
But there’s a reason why we opted for marquis rather than all the other players available who hadn’t pulled up any trees
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
So there was a guarantee that Marquis was going to be a success. No there is never a guarantee.
There is always an element of good fortune or luck as well.
Obviously
But there’s a reason why we opted for marquis rather than all the other players available who hadn’t pulled up any trees
Here we go get the last word in
End of conversation. Pointless trying to have a rational discussion with you.
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Marquis was the best signing we’ve made for quite some time and we are missing him and his goals, severely so far this season. But then, everyone knows that, don’t they?
It’s down to DM now, with the Club’s financial support, to get someone in, preferably on January 1st, that is going to have a similar or better impact.
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
So there was a guarantee that Marquis was going to be a success. No there is never a guarantee.
There is always an element of good fortune or luck as well.
Obviously
But there’s a reason why we opted for marquis rather than all the other players available who hadn’t pulled up any trees
Here we go det the last word in
End of conversation. Pointless trying to have a rational discussion with you.
Sorry Campsall, but I have to agree with Dickos on this one. Fergie had obviously spotted two very promising loan spells at Gillingham and Northampton, during which Marquis scored quite a few goals. I think it was an excellent piece of recruitment. I just hope our new bloke can spot talent like that.
However, you're right that there's a certain amount of luck involved, as it doesn't always work out. Just look at Will Grigg at Sunderland.
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That’s great recruitment, signing a player that hasn’t pulled up any trees yet but knowing they’re going to be very good for you.
Like a whiteman, an Anderson, a marquis, a wilks, a Kane.
Very good recruitment
The standard of recruitment has dropped slightly now, hopefully the new guy will help improve this
So there was a guarantee that Marquis was going to be a success. No there is never a guarantee.
There is always an element of good fortune or luck as well.
Obviously
But there’s a reason why we opted for marquis rather than all the other players available who hadn’t pulled up any trees
Here we go det the last word in
End of conversation. Pointless trying to have a rational discussion with you.
Sorry Campsall, but I have to agree with Dickos on this one. Fergie had obviously spotted two very promising loan spells at Gillingham and Northampton, during which Marquis scored quite a few goals. I think it was an excellent piece of recruitment. I just hope our new bloke can spot talent like that.
However, you're right that there's a certain amount of luck involved, as it doesn't always work out. Just look at Will Grigg at Sunderland.
Steve if you read my original posts on this thread i agreed with dickos that it was good recruitment and i added that some luck was involved also.
Any successful recruitment has an element of luck attached to it as there is never a guarantee is there.
Dickos is simply determined to argue black is blue and red is orange and keep arguing about it until the cows come home.
Carl Alford is the best example of a brilliant signing based on his goal scoring record at the same level Rovers were playing in that time.
He turned out to be total dross.
Therefore even if you sign the best player in your league for that position their is no guarantee and some luck is involved.
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Regarding Marquis surely his record at Portsmouth so far proves what a good signing he turned out to be for us and the way we played in those 3 years
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Regarding Marquis surely his record at Portsmouth so far proves what a good signing he turned out to be for us and the way we played in those 3 years
Of course he was a good signing. He was a brilliant one. If we had him this season i think we would probably be sitting pretty on around 30 points with 3 games in hand.
He would have been worth an extra 7 points to us at least imo. We will never know of course.
Just my opinion.