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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: NickDRFC on January 07, 2020, 12:36:47 pm
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Thought it might be useful to have a list of all the deals so far in one place where we can keep an eye on our rivals. Will try and update at least once a day...
Accrington
Blackpool**** - Jordan Thorniley (Wednesday, undisc), Mark Bola (Middlesbrough, loan), Gary Madine (unattached), Conor Ronan (Wolves, loan), Chris Maxwell (Preston, free), Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall (Leicester, loan)
Bolton - Muhammadu Faal (Enfield, undisc), Ethan Hamilton (Man U, loan), George Thomason (Longbridge, undisc), Toto Nsiala (Ipswich, loan), Brandon Fleming (Hull, loan), Kean Bryan (Sheffield Utd, loan)
Bristol Rovers - Josh Barrett (Reading, undisc), Jamal Blackman (Bristol Rovers, loan), Timmy Abraham (Fulham, loan)
Burton - Conor Shaughnessy (Leeds, loan), Joe Powell (West Ham, undisc), Jamie Murphy (Rangers, loan)
Coventry
Rovers - Devante Cole (Wigan, undisc), Fejiri Okenabirhie (Shrewsbury, undisc)
Fleetwood** - Callum Connolly (Everton, loan), Lewis Gibson (Everton, loan)
Gillingham - Jordan Roberts (Ipswich, loan), John Akinde (Lincoln, undisc)
Ipswich - Josh Earl (Preston, loan)
Lincoln* - Tyrese John-Jules (Arsenal, loan), Conor Coventry (West Ham, loan), Akeem Hinds (Rotherham, free)
MK Dons - Carlton Morris (Norwich, loan), Ben Gladwin (Blackburn, free), Louis Thompson (Norwich, loan)
Oxford - Nathan Holland (West Ham, loan), Liam Kelly (Reading, loan), Marcus Browne (Middlesbrough, loan), Rob Atkinson (Eastleigh, undisc)***
Peterborough - Jack Taylor (Barnet, £500k), Reece Brown (Huddersfield, loan), Sammy Smodzics (Bristol City, loan)
Pompey - Cameron McGeehan (Barnsley, loan), Reeco Hackett-Fairchild (Bromley, undisc), Steve Seddon (Birmingham, loan)
Rochdale - Tyler Smith (Sheff Utd, loan)
Rotherham - Hakeeb Adelakun (Bristol City, loan)
Shrewsbury - Sam Hart (Blackburn, loan), Josh Vela (unattached), Kayne Ramsay (Southampton, loan), Conor McAleny (Fleetwood, loan)
Southend
Sunderland - Kyle Lafferty (Sarpsborg 08, free), Bailey Wright (Bristol City, loan)
Tranmere - Luke McCullough (unattached), Alex Woodyard (Peterborough, loan), Peter Clarke (Fleetwood, free), Morgan Feeney (Everton, loan)
Wimbledon - Mads Bech Sorensen (Brentford, loan)
Wycombe - Jason McCarthy (Millwall, loan)
*Lincoln have also signed two loanees on permanent deals, Max Melbourne (WBA) and Tayo Edun (Fulham), both undisclosed fees.
**Fleetwood have turned the loan of Lewis Coyle (Leeds) into a permanent signing - fee undisclosed.
***Oxford have turned the loan of George Thorne (Derby) into a permanent signing - fee undisclosed.
****Blackpool have turned the loan of James Husband (Norwich) into a permanent signing - fee undisclosed.
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Interesting to see how many of those are loans - and yet there are many on here who lament the use of the loan system...
BTW.....small point, Muhammadu Faal joined Bolton from Enfield...
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Can we stick this to the top?
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7 out of 13 not loans which to be honest is a higher percentage than I’d expect over the month
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Interesting to see how many of those are loans - and yet there are many on here who lament the use of the loan system...
BTW.....small point, Muhammadu Faal joined Bolton from Enfield...
Haha thanks, he couldn’t have joined them from Bolton!
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7 out of 13 not loans which to be honest is a higher percentage than I’d expect over the month
Just out of interest what loan percentage would you expect? With the window being short and a time to patch up squads, I would have though there would be more loans proportionally..
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Thorniley is a good signing for Blackpool
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7 out of 13 not loans which to be honest is a higher percentage than I’d expect over the month
Just out of interest what loan percentage would you expect? With the window being short and a time to patch up squads, I would have though there would be more loans proportionally..
Think you’ve misread my post
7 out of 13 that aren't loans which is higher than I’d expect
Therefore I’d expect more to be loans
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Ok fair enough, must have misread it.
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Transfer news: Done deals in January 2020 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers
A link to all transfers.
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So only 6 clubs have actually done any business. Surprised at that cause loads have said on here that other teams have done loads of business in strengthing their squad
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I think the point was, other clubs did good business in the summer when we struggled, so you’d think we’d be amongst the first clubs now to begin getting deals done. But the other clubs who did good business in the summer are already making good signings whereas Moore says there’s nothing at the moment.
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Should we try and keep this thread about collating January transfers as a convenient source of information, but discuss the signings and DRFC transfer activities elsewhere.?
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Transfer news: Done deals in January 2020 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers
A link to all transfers.
This is where I got my info from but thought this thread would be useful so you can see solely League One signings, and also listed by club rather than having to sift through all clubs on a day by day basis.
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Transfer news: Done deals in January 2020 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers
A link to all transfers.
This is where I got my info from but thought this thread would be useful so you can see solely League One signings, and also listed by club rather than having to sift through all clubs on a day by day basis.
Yes, I think your ideas a good one.
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Josh Barrett has joined Bristol rovers on a permanent transfer
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Is Reece Brown the one that played for us on loan a few years ago?
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Is Reece Brown the one that played for us on loan a few years ago?
No
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Oxford have signed 2 on loan today and MK Dons, 1.
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Rotherham set to sign Hakeeb Adelakun from Bristol city who we was rumoured to be interested in
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He was not even on our radar
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Is there anybody on our radar?
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Why would Fleetwood loan a player to themselves? 😂😂😂
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Is there anybody on our radar?
Do we have a radar?
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Marcus Brown resigns for Oxford on loan till the end of the season that’s 3.
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Marcus Brown resigns for Oxford on loan till the end of the season that’s 3.
If we're including players re-signing on the thread, then we're up to two ourselves with Deing and Sheaf
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Good point..
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He was there last season been at Middlesbrough this season so my wording caused confusion sorry.
It’s same as us resigning Wilkes example.
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He was there last season been at Middlesbrough this season so my wording caused confusion sorry.
It’s same as us resigning Wilkes example.
Fair enough Steve, I get you now.
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It is strange why we can’t seem to conclude transfers
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We’re pretty good at getting rid!
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That hasn't always been the case, so that's a positive then!
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Rotherham set to sign Hakeeb Adelakun from Bristol city who we was rumoured to be interested in
Rotherham have signed him today
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Sharp and Lafferty both now linked with Sunderland. Surely Sharp would only play for us in League 1? Maybe I’m just optimistic.
They’ve already held talks with Lafferty apparently.
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I expect Billy would be happy bench warming at the Blades, and if not, there’s plenty of championship teams he could join.. I said it the other day that I can see him going to Leeds..
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Marcus Brown resigns for Oxford on loan till the end of the season that’s 3.
If we're including players re-signing on the thread, then we're up to two ourselves with Deing and Sheaf
I was waiting for someone to make this point.
Some posters will use it as a stick to beat posters who are sceptical about us getting anyone in at all.
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Gary Maxine has been paid up by Cardiff
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12 clubs in our league have now signed at least one player - more than half. Nothing for us to worry about yet as there's still plenty of time but there's certainly been a bit of activity so far.
Oxford look to have done the best business so far for me.
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12 clubs in our league have now signed at least one player - more than half. Nothing for us to worry about yet as there's still plenty of time but there's certainly been a bit of activity so far.
Oxford look to have done the best business so far for me.
Can’t be right nick,
There’s no players available in January 🙄
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12 clubs in our league have now signed at least one player - more than half. Nothing for us to worry about yet as there's still plenty of time but there's certainly been a bit of activity so far.
Oxford look to have done the best business so far for me.
Can’t be right nick,
There’s no players available in January 🙄
Majority of the players signed to league 1 clubs have been loans were agent fees maybe don’t come into the issue.
Oxford signed 4 players 3 loans and 1 undisclosed doesn’t mean it will guarantee success but will certainly help.
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Interesting to see how many of those are loans - and yet there are many on here who lament the use of the loan system...
BTW.....small point, Muhammadu Faal joined Bolton from Enfield...
loans are going to be the norm in the economical climate we are in it is a no brainer
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12 clubs in our league have now signed at least one player - more than half. Nothing for us to worry about yet as there's still plenty of time but there's certainly been a bit of activity so far.
Oxford look to have done the best business so far for me.
I'm sure that any club near the bottom three and even those in it will be desperate to improve their squads.
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Sharp and Lafferty both now linked with Sunderland. Surely Sharp would only play for us in League 1? Maybe I’m just optimistic.
They’ve already held talks with Lafferty apparently.
I struggle to see Sunderland doing anything remotely adventurous.
I mean, the owner has just put them up for sale, increasing the cost/debt in the next few weeks wouldn't be the wisest choice. Unless of course he thinks they may get promoted and then the value rises. Risky gamble though.
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Sharp and Lafferty both now linked with Sunderland. Surely Sharp would only play for us in League 1? Maybe I’m just optimistic.
They’ve already held talks with Lafferty apparently.
I snuggle to see Sunderland doing anything remotely adventurous.
I mean, the owner has just put them up for sale, increasing the cost/debt in the next few weeks wouldn't be the wisest choice. Unless of course he thinks they may get promoted and then the value rises. Risky gamble though.
I think I read somewhere that their parachute payments stop at the end of this season as well
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Sharp and Lafferty both now linked with Sunderland. Surely Sharp would only play for us in League 1? Maybe I’m just optimistic.
They’ve already held talks with Lafferty apparently.
I snuggle to see Sunderland doing anything remotely adventurous.
I mean, the owner has just put them up for sale, increasing the cost/debt in the next few weeks wouldn't be the wisest choice. Unless of course he thinks they may get promoted and then the value rises. Risky gamble though.
I think I read somewhere that their parachute payments stop at the end of this season as well
Yes that's right. A risky project for anybody, unless they're a star bargain.
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Lincoln have signed 4 today
2 loans and 2 permanents, all young lads from Premiership and Championship.
Arsenal, West Ham, Fulham and West Brom.
No players available? Yeh, right.
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Alan, you and others seam to be getting all worked up about signing players over the last few days.
Can I put it to you that signing anyone this week was the wrong time to bring anyone in anyway, after Tuesdays win following the Oxford victory any new recruit would have been difficult for any manager to put into a team, not only because of the success, but the time limitations on actually training with the first team Wednesday would have been a rest day Thursday light training and team preparation for the Bristol game, Friday travel, probably light training near the hotel, Saturday a game day.
What Lincoln or any other team does we have no control over, and getting our knickers in a twist will make no difference whatsoever to any time lines for new signings. The big question to me is, if we sign a striker of note, who steps aside to accommodate him if every one is fit, as I happen to think that the team that played Tuesday is one of the top teams in this division anyway.
I am fully aware, and agree that the squad is thin in numbers, but would argue strong in ability, yes we need two or three players in, but we need to get the players the manager wants, not for the sake of a short time line.
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Nobody is saying get the players in free sake of it, get the manager the players in he wants. All these other clubs are getting players in that they want not just for the sake of it
There’s been some great signings so far, players that would’ve been good for us
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
You could be right you could be wrong we don’t know. But the longer we wait the hard it will be to sign players that DM wants. Maybe David Blunt is using hard nosed construction negotiations when it comes to signing any player whether new or some we want to resign.
What or who are we going to say or blame if the transfer window goes by and we don’t make any worthwhile signings.
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Selby, there is no such thing as a short time line in our case. We’ve had an abysmal summer, transfers wise, and every man and his dog has acknowledged that. So, we should have had a plan in place, since the end of August, to rectify our failings in the summer. The longer we leave it, the more chance there is of us getting no-one, as potential competition for signings will get tougher.
I simply don’t wear the team logistics being a reason we don’t sign anyone. Get them in, let them feel their way around the place and get to know their new team mates, for goodness sake. It’s not rocket science.
I’m pleased that the precarious position we find ourselves in, squad wise, is not completely lost on you and I’m thankful for that. The problem is, there are people at the Club that seem to think we’re ok.
2 injuries and 2 suspensions, as things stand, and we are well and truly scuppered.
I wish someone would get their proverbial fingers out!
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Having a plan in place, and making it succeed are different things..
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
You could be right you could be wrong we don’t know. But the longer we wait the hard it will be to sign players that DM wants. Maybe David Blunt is using hard nosed construction negotiations when it comes to signing any player whether new or some we want to resign.
What or who are we going to say or blame if the transfer window goes by and we don’t make any worthwhile signings.
If that happens then I for one would be disappointed - when I am thinking about all things DRFC. The rest of the time I will get on with my life and not waste my energy posting on social media that it’s the end of the world, as undoubtedly some would - not aimed at anyone in particular, of course..
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I think DRFC are just time waister window shoppers who haven’t pot to piss in !!
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I think DRFC are just time waister window shoppers who haven’t pot to piss in !!
Perfectly illustrating my last point..
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
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My knickers are not twisted but by the sounds of it, a few are definitely singing soprano with the angst!
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
It’s not how I would interpret DM’s comments in the DFP website and RS interviews. I thought he was looking at several players at the same time, not one after another..
Which players have we missed out on in this window, who he was after.?
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I think DRFC are just time waister window shoppers who haven’t pot to piss in !!
Perfectly illustrating my last point..
Exactly. What a waste of energy.
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
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Bloody hell S_M stop messing with their heads!
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
I will let you do my talking for me SM.
Saves energy and the agro. ;)
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Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!
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Bloody hell S_M stop messing with their heads!
Sorry pal!! ;)
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Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!
I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.
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Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!
I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.
Sometimes you know you have to look at things at face value and look at whats happening in front of your eyes, I appreciate you know more than most, but we went through the last window in a similar manner, people airing their concerns, you coming back with words of reassurance, but at the end of the day the last window was a disaster, we are going through the same motions again this time around. A question for you Martin, putting aside whatever you may know in the background are you happy with the squad we have today?
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.
And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen
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Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!
I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.
Sometimes you know you have to look at things at face value and look at whats happening in front of your eyes, I appreciate you know more than most, but we went through the last window in a similar manner, people airing their concerns, you coming back with words of reassurance, but at the end of the day the last window was a disaster, we are going through the same motions again this time around. A question for you Martin, putting aside whatever you may know in the background are you happy with the squad we have today?
No one is happy with the squad. We are desperately short on numbers. We need a strong bench of course we do and DM will know that better than any of us. He has said as much on the DRFC site today. “We were down to the bare bones.”
John & Blair will be welcome additions to the squad.
But he isn’t going to sign any permanents that he is not 100% sure will be a good fit.
I am absolutely sure he will bring in a couple more loanees.
Think he will have definite targets and am convinced he is waiting to see what Norwich are doing first before he brings in any other striker.
He will have back ups and as i said yesterday Hirst at Leicester is likely to be one of them.
Steve Beaglehole has actually said he is happy for a couple of his U21’s to come on loan to us.
I am sure DM is just biding time and as we have Ennis back fit again there is no immediate panic. Unlike some of the forum members who seem to be in melt down.
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.
And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen
Who’s to say we hadn’t been doing that though.? Do you think we only started talking to Norwich about Idah after the window opened.?
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Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!
I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.
Sometimes you know you have to look at things at face value and look at whats happening in front of your eyes, I appreciate you know more than most, but we went through the last window in a similar manner, people airing their concerns, you coming back with words of reassurance, but at the end of the day the last window was a disaster, we are going through the same motions again this time around. A question for you Martin, putting aside whatever you may know in the background are you happy with the squad we have today?
Is it face value though?
Did you really think our summer was 'a disaster'? Halliday, Dieng, James, Sheaf, Ennis, John, Stirling, all quality players. It wasn't perfect but a disaster?
But to answer your question, no, I'm not happy with the squad, but I'm certainly not fretting and getting all worked up about something that we, as supporters, can't affect. Everybody suddenly has become a 'transfer specialist' on this forum, everybody seems to think it's just a matter of picking up the phone, dangling a cheque book and hey presto!
In the years I've been talking to our club I've learnt that these things are never that simple, it's a bit like an iceberg, we only see the top bit, but all the work and negotiation goes on under the water.
If you want to sign a couple of strikers and a few midfield players thrown in we could do that tomorrow, all done and dusted and off we go. Then its like shooting fish in a barrel. But if you are after certain individuals who you just know they're the real deal then you may face a few frustrations, and that's where we are.
I've said it before on this forum, we'd done some hard work in identifying the lad at Norwich, agreements had been made, and then fate moved against us slightly. If it hadn't would everybody be panicking like they are? Do you want to wait for him to see if we can resurrect that, or should we ditch him and go after somebody else?
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.
And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen
Again you're moving your argument-al goalposts!
You stated that we'd definitely missed out on some targets. That's right isn't it? That's what you posted, Ive just corrected you on it.
And then you said he only has one target, and when that doesn't come off, he starts again. That's what you said didn't you? And again I've corrected you. But if we haven't missed out on anybody yet then why move to the next in line?
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.
And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen
Again you're moving your argument-al goalposts!
You stated that we'd definitely missed out on some targets. That's right isn't it? That's what you posted, Ive just corrected you on it.
And then you said he only has one target, and when that doesn't come off, he starts again. That's what you said didn't you? And again I've corrected you. But if we haven't missed out on anybody yet then why move to the next in line?
Where have you corrected me?
I know you’re in touch with the club Martin but I’m not sure you’d know of every player we’ve tried to sign.
If we hadn’t missed out on any players then I’m sure we would’ve had players signed by now.
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Watching the Sunderland program on Netflix shows just how difficult it is. The CEO was pulling his hair out(metaphorically) at some of the agents/players pulling out last minute. I want Rovers to win every game until we are 15 times champions of Europe. However, my job doesn’t depend on us winning. DM’s job does and he sure as hell isn’t sat back hoping 5 players walk up to the door and say “hi sign me”.
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Are deals on hold due to the need of clubs finding replacements before letting their players leave?
Are clubs wanting more than their players are worth and neither clubs will budge on the fee?
Are agents getting in the way?
Are we getting to a certain stage and another club show interest in the same player and the player is listening to offers?
I understand it is a long drawn out process and had Norwich kept their strikers fit we would have one in by now but, this is the same for every club. You must appreciate that you SM are somewhat in the know and as a supporter of the football club it is there for all to see that the squad needs a boost therefore fans want to spend their time and money on a Saturday afternoon watching their team knowing that the owners are as ambitious as we are. No matter how much we are reassured that they are in the media or by yourself, we will still speculate and will continue to do so until it is proven. Yes we are happy with all contract extensions obviously and are also happy with the loan extensions but ultimately they are not our players and IF we do happen to get promoted this season and we dont sign them then we have some very good players to replace and the process starts again and it disrupts pre season preperation going into an extremely tough league.
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Paul I am happy with the squad, it's not as complicated as it was a couple of weeks ago, with less chance of players who don't fit playing.
a couple of good additions,one or two more to probably move on, and I think we can do well.
The youngsters if they have to come in are as good as the players that have left, although I think things are more likely to advance on the subject of signing players in the coming week.
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Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?
We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.
It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.
This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist
Steady on fella.
We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.
And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.
And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen
Again you're moving your argument-al goalposts!
You stated that we'd definitely missed out on some targets. That's right isn't it? That's what you posted, Ive just corrected you on it.
And then you said he only has one target, and when that doesn't come off, he starts again. That's what you said didn't you? And again I've corrected you. But if we haven't missed out on anybody yet then why move to the next in line?
Where have you corrected me?
I know you’re in touch with the club Martin but I’m not sure you’d know of every player we’ve tried to sign.
If we hadn’t missed out on any players then I’m sure we would’ve had players signed by now.
Perhaps the players we are trying to sign are still in process of discussions, or held back for some reason or another, not necessarily missed out..
I’ll ask you once, and once only, to name the players we definitely missed out on - players we were actively bidding for, not just players signed by other clubs where we were rumoured to be interested..
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Bolton signed Toto Nsiala on loan from Ipswich
Blackpool signed Marc Bola from Middlesbrough was Blackpool’s player of the season last year LB before leaving.
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What happened to the lad who come on trial from Palace, would of thought he would of at least been linked with us
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Are deals on hold due to the need of clubs finding replacements before letting their players leave?
Are clubs wanting more than their players are worth and neither clubs with budge on the fee?
Are agents getting in the way?
Are we getting to a certain stage and another club show interest in the same player and the player is listening to offers?
I understand it is a long drawn out process and had Norwich kept their strikers fit we would have one in by now but, this is the same for every club. You must appreciate that you SM are somewhat in the know and as a supporter of the football club it is there for all to see that the squad needs a boost therefore fans want to spend their time and money on a Saturday afternoon watching their team knowing that the owners are as ambitious as we are. No matter how much we are reassured that they are in the media or by yourself, we will still speculate and will continue to do so until it is proven. Yes we are happy with all contract extensions obviously and are also happy with the loan extensions but ultimately they are not our players and IF we do happen to get promoted this season and we dont sign them then we have some very good players to replace and the process starts again and it disrupts pre season preperation going into an extremely tough league.
Stocks......that is a very good post and probably sums up what most supporters are thinking.
I wouldn’t class myself or many of the other posters on here as panicking or being nervous nellies.
It isn’t unreasonable for supporters to be concerned at our lack of incoming players at a third of the way through the transfer window.
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Alan, you and others seam to be getting all worked up about signing players over the last few days.
Can I put it to you that signing anyone this week was the wrong time to bring anyone in anyway, after Tuesdays win following the Oxford victory any new recruit would have been difficult for any manager to put into a team, not only because of the success, but the time limitations on actually training with the first team Wednesday would have been a rest day Thursday light training and team preparation for the Bristol game, Friday travel, probably light training near the hotel, Saturday a game day.
What Lincoln or any other team does we have no control over, and getting our knickers in a twist will make no difference whatsoever to any time lines for new signings. The big question to me is, if we sign a striker of note, who steps aside to accommodate him if every one is fit, as I happen to think that the team that played Tuesday is one of the top teams in this division anyway.
I am fully aware, and agree that the squad is thin in numbers, but would argue strong in ability, yes we need two or three players in, but we need to get the players the manager wants, not for the sake of a short time line.
Can there ever be a bad time to bring a quality player into a squad?
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What happened to the lad who come on trial from Palace, would of thought he would of at least been linked with us
Kian Flanagan is the lad’s name and I thought he’d be the first one through the door. Tore Rotherham reserves a new one, in the only u23 game he ‘trialled’ in. Would be an excellent acquisition, in my view. But, again, nothing on the horizon, unless, of course, SM knows something.
I’m sure discussions were held with the lad, his agent and Palace at the time and it seemed like it was a move just waiting for the window to open.
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If he is "on the radar" then we might have to crack on with getting him (assuming he is number two choice) because the news coming from Norwich seems to indicate that Idah is going nowhere immediately.
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Alan, you and others seam to be getting all worked up about signing players over the last few days.
Can I put it to you that signing anyone this week was the wrong time to bring anyone in anyway, after Tuesdays win following the Oxford victory any new recruit would have been difficult for any manager to put into a team, not only because of the success, but the time limitations on actually training with the first team Wednesday would have been a rest day Thursday light training and team preparation for the Bristol game, Friday travel, probably light training near the hotel, Saturday a game day.
What Lincoln or any other team does we have no control over, and getting our knickers in a twist will make no difference whatsoever to any time lines for new signings. The big question to me is, if we sign a striker of note, who steps aside to accommodate him if every one is fit, as I happen to think that the team that played Tuesday is one of the top teams in this division anyway.
I am fully aware, and agree that the squad is thin in numbers, but would argue strong in ability, yes we need two or three players in, but we need to get the players the manager wants, not for the sake of a short time line.
Can there ever be a bad time to bring a quality player into a squad?
well that Doncaster born manager managed to do it
"Parma sold Asprilla to English Premier League side Newcastle United for £6.7 million in February 1996, with "Tino", as the fans nicknamed him, appearing at St James' Park to finalise the move during a snowstorm, dressed in a fur coat. At the time, Newcastle were ahead of Manchester United in the Premier League, although their lead at the top of the table was narrowing"
i'd just luv it ........................
could say Newcastle's title challenge was all "fur coat" and no knickers
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Paul I am happy with the squad....
Really? You must be the only one.. we don't have a squad, just a first 11, then kids on the bench..
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Even Moore states the squad is not strong enough
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/business-gets-done-its-probably-more-difficult-doncaster-rovers-boss-darren-moore-challenges-january-transfer-window-1362926
I like the line about accelerating the improvement he has already implemented.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/business-gets-done-its-probably-more-difficult-doncaster-rovers-boss-darren-moore-challenges-january-transfer-window-1362926
I like the line about accelerating the improvement he has already implemented.
Said in that interview what i have been saying for weeks.
But apparently according to some i don’t know what i am talking about.
DM said it is harder in January than it is in the summer to get deals done because clubs are reluctant to part with players. Getting the right players is the most important thing, players who are the right fit.
That is why he is not rushing to bring in anyone. They must be the right ones at the right price.
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Look at it this way. If you were the owners of a league one club and determined to maintain financial rectitude therby ensuring.. sustainability would you want promotion? The only way to sustain life in the Championship is by paying huge amounts in player wages that would not be covered by revenues meaning that the owners would have to provide massive funding. Logically it is better to maintain fan interest by hovering arround the league one play off places season after season if possible. Strengthening the squad now might well achieve promotion which would likely mean one season as Championship whipping boys (unless someone is prepared to massively subsidise the budget)
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Tyler Walker’s loan isn’t going to be extended at Lincoln, Forests decision not theirs, expect him to be linked to Sunderland
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I have to admit i really am surprised at our inactivity this window.Lets face it in the main we have been luckier than most seasons when it comes to injury's to really key players which is why we are in the position we are.
We were weak squad wise before the window and since then May,Daniels,Thomas and Sterling have gone off the books.I think that DM and the board can be pleased our form is still good enough to keep us in the mix else the grief they are seeing on here at the minute would be trebled..
Whilst i take S-M's points,not many of those players are Doncaster Rovers players.The short term thinking around the amount of loan players we have makes no sense to me,and while we continue down this road we will have to rebuild a squad from scratch every year,working for other teams and losing our identity..
Personally i wont really get excited about anymore loans if we sign them in this window.I want to see permanent signings contracted to Doncaster Rovers.Players who we can work with,build a team around for the longer term benefit,get a affiliation with as fans and maybe earn a windfall or two along the way.And if that takes a bit of time to bear fruit so be it,although i appreciate fans want instant success..
At this rate when we have played our last game of the season.Rovers will need to put a bus to take most of our players back to their clubs,while tumbleweed blows around Cantley Park.
Now we have two weeks or so till the end of the window,so i've got everything crossed that one or two permanent players will join us,but no matter who they are, if the only thing we do is bring in another short term sticky plaster or two i will be really dissapointed and really start to question what it is we are really trying to achieve as a club.
I appreciate not everybody will agree with that but that's how i will see it..
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Our summer was poor and this window so far is poor. First told hopefully someone in by Shrewsbury, then hopefully a couple in by Bristol and now we are nearly at Coventry and nobody brought in. Serious questions need to be asked why can other clubs bring players in they identify but we are struggling to? At this rate Marquis will be retired before we sign his replacement.
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I’ve certainly got no inside information but it looks pretty clear from the comments Moore has given about this window and what he is trying to bring in to the squad, that we are looking at loan(s). If so then we are going to have to wait for Premier League and Championship clubs to release them, which will be likely towards the end of the window, if not the very end.
Don’t forget also that in Baptiste and Blair we have two very experienced players that are now back in the match day squad. Yes we need support and competition for Ennis but beyond that, is there really much room on the bench?
In the summer, matters are different.
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I’ve certainly got no inside information but it looks pretty clear from the comments Moore has given about this window and what he is trying to bring in to the squad, that we are looking at loan(s). If so then we are going to have to wait for Premier League and Championship clubs to release them, which will be likely towards the end of the window, if not the very end.
Don’t forget also that in Baptiste and Blair we have two very experienced players that are now back in the match day squad. Yes we need support and competition for Ennis but beyond that, is there really much room on the bench?
In the summer, matters are different.
Why should it likely be towards the end of the window for Prem/Championship clubs to release their players? There have been 18 loans to our league from above so far so clearly not everyone is waiting until the end of the window. There will no doubt be a flurry towards the end of the window but I think that will be more to do with clubs desperate to add to their squad late on rather than clubs holding onto players they are intending to loan out right now (with the odd exception such as Idah).
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Thing is, Idah could have easily been here already but for a twist if fate. The Shrewsbury lad and Semeyno have not gone anywhere yet. DM has earned the right to wait for the ones he really wants assuming he knows they are still on the cards.
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I don’t interpret DM’s latest comments to mean loanees only.. if he can get the right players on permanent deals, to improve the squad, he says he will for any position..
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With 4 loans at the club I don’t see clubs wanting to loan a player to sit in the stand on match days.
Dieng, John, Sheaf and Ennis will be in the match day squad regularly unless injured or suspended. So really there is room for one more for the match day squad. Bringing in a sixth player is only there to cover one or two of the five.
Signing a permanent player or players should be one of the objectives in this window, to do that we have to be competitive with fees, if required, and wages. Really the only changes in the summer is we get more players on frees therefore wages become more competitive.
We could be playing hard ball but by the end of the window we will know if our transfer strategy from the club is working.
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Sammie Szmodics who we were linked with has joined Peterborough on loan for the rest of the season from Bristol City.
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Sammie Szmodics who we were linked with has joined Peterborough on loan for the rest of the season from Bristol City.
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Proactive loaned him before or if Maddison goes to a Championship club. If he stays they have another player for their midfield.
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Our summer was poor and this window so far is poor. First told hopefully someone in by Shrewsbury, then hopefully a couple in by Bristol and now we are nearly at Coventry and nobody brought in. Serious questions need to be asked why can other clubs bring players in they identify but we are struggling to? At this rate Marquis will be retired before we sign his replacement.
Have to say this is THE most frustrating part for me. Stop saying we are close when we quite clearly aren't. Quotes like that is what gets us fans frustrated when it then doesn't happen.
Unsure as to what has happened with the club and signings in the last 18 months/2 years - I can never remember a time when we have found it so hard to get things over the line. The only thing I can think is that we are offering considerably less wages than all other Lg1 teams which makes it a bit of a no brainer for players. After all its a short career!
I hate Peterborough, their chairman, their manager but you cant fault the way they go about transfer dealings. They get quality players in the door year after year. Wish we could do the same!
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The way we’re going about it, is unsustainable!
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Sammie Szmodics who we were linked with has joined Peterborough on loan for the rest of the season from Bristol City.
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When were we linked with him?I never saw that.
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Sammie Szmodics who we were linked with has joined Peterborough on loan for the rest of the season from Bristol City.
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When were we linked with him?I never saw that.
Just Twitter, but that’s where majority of the links come from nowadays. I accept they should be taken with a pick of salt, however, he could be one of the players DM has said chose to go elsewhere.
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Once again, can someone point me to where DM said we have missed out please.
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It’s been posted.
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Once again, can someone point me to where DM said we have missed out please.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
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Once again, can someone point me to where DM said we have missed out please.
“There’s one or two that we’ve missed out on for various reasons,” he said.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
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Gary Madine signed for Blackpool from Cardiff for free.
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As I’ve pointed out on the other thread, that's not what he actually said. Have you listened to the actual interview or just read Hodens piece.
I urge you to listen to Oxley's interview too. At the end of the day, it's the same speculation we get in every transfer window, and always will.
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You're definitely right Baz, that is just Holdens spin.
We haven't missed out yet, we're still chasing Plan A.
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You're definitely right Baz, that is just Holdens spin.
We haven't missed out yet, we're still chasing Plan A.
Thanks. I thought I was going mad. I listened to the interview and wondered what all the fuss was about.
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The way it’s written is that there are quotation marks around the words, meaning DM actually said them. I guess he may have even taped the interview, so if he hasn’t deleted it, it could be proven if he was questioned about it.
Why would Liam Hoden make such a thing up?
Unless the words are challenged, how does anyone know for sure whether they are factually correct, or otherwise? Only Liam and Darren know the answer to that.
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The way it’s written is that there are quotation marks around the words, meaning DM actually said them. I guess he may have even taped the interview, so if he hasn’t deleted it, it could be proven if he was questioned about it.
Why would Liam Hoden make such a thing up?
Unless the words are challenged, how does anyone know for sure whether they are factually correct, or otherwise? Only Liam and Darren know the answer to that.
Alan. Have you listened to Adam Oxley's interview?
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I just have, all 13 minutes of it..
To me it looks like the DFP has misquoted DM.
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Blackpool have signed Gary madine could be a good signing
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Alan. Have you listened to Adam Oxley's interview?
No, I’ve read the article in the FP. Was DM talking to AO at the same time?
We’re you there?
Is it not feasibly possible he could have said something more to Hoden that he didn’t say to Oxley?
Until Hoden says he made a mistake, then one has to assume that what Hoden put in quotation marks, DM actually said. Who am I to question that?
Whoever said what to who is less of a problem, by comparison, to the fact that we are 2 weeks away from not reinforcing the squad/team at all and it’s not sitting with me at all well. After all, like I’ve previously said, we’ve had since September to sort our strategy out and check out all possibilities.
It also seems to me that certain people are (unfairly) pointing the finger at DM for our transfer failings, to date and, if that is the case, then that’s out of order. If my perception is wrong, then I apologise, but it does seem like it.
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Has he admitted his mistake over the Shrewsbury lad yet?
I wouldn't believe everything you read in print.
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Alan. Have you listened to Adam Oxley's interview?
No, I’ve read the article in the FP. Was DM talking to AO at the same time?
We’re you there?
Is it not feasibly possible he could have said something more to Hoden that he didn’t say to Oxley?
Until Hoden says he made a mistake, then one has to assume that what Hoden put in quotation marks, DM actually said. Who am I to question that?
Whoever said what to who is less of a problem, by comparison, to the fact that we are 2 weeks away from not reinforcing the squad/team at all and it’s not sitting with me at all well. After all, like I’ve previously said, we’ve had since September to sort our strategy out and check out all possibilities.
It also seems to me that certain people are (unfairly) pointing the finger at DM for our transfer failings, to date and, if that is the case, then that’s out of order. If my perception is wrong, then I apologise, but it does seem like it.
Yes, perculiar isn't it. We have yet to hear it from DMs mouth. For your own benefit, listen to it. You may not change your view. That's up to you.
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There is much more in the RS interview..
Some of it is in the DFP but the bit about targets being missed wasn't in the RS one..
Unless there were two separate interviews the DFP appears to have misquoted..
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Has he admitted his mistake over the Shrewsbury lad yet?
I wouldn't believe everything you read in print.
He just quoted the Shropshire newspaper for that one though didn’t he?
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Has he admitted his mistake over the Shrewsbury lad yet?
I wouldn't believe everything you read in print.
He just quoted the Shropshire newspaper for that one though didn’t he?
I'm not suggesting he didn't, what I am saying is don't believe everything you read.
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Has he admitted his mistake over the Shrewsbury lad yet?
I wouldn't believe everything you read in print.
He just quoted the Shropshire newspaper for that one though didn’t he?
I'm not suggesting he didn't, what I am saying is don't believe everything you read.
Well, I’d never heard of the phrase click bait before, although I know the concept. That's all the press are doing.
It's debatable whether what Hoden puts out is a help or a hinderence to the club. In the past would journos check the story with the club first? Maybe maybe not. But the motivation to publish misleading or mischievous headlines is obvious.
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Alan. Have you listened to Adam Oxley's interview?
No, I’ve read the article in the FP. Was DM talking to AO at the same time?
We’re you there?
Is it not feasibly possible he could have said something more to Hoden that he didn’t say to Oxley?
Until Hoden says he made a mistake, then one has to assume that what Hoden put in quotation marks, DM actually said. Who am I to question that?
Whoever said what to who is less of a problem, by comparison, to the fact that we are 2 weeks away from not reinforcing the squad/team at all and it’s not sitting with me at all well. After all, like I’ve previously said, we’ve had since September to sort our strategy out and check out all possibilities.
It also seems to me that certain people are (unfairly) pointing the finger at DM for our transfer failings, to date and, if that is the case, then that’s out of order. If my perception is wrong, then I apologise, but it does seem like it.
Yes, perculiar isn't it. We have yet to hear it from DMs mouth. For your own benefit, listen to it. You may not change your view. That's up to you.
This is really bizarre. Are you and SM saying that no one should ever believe any printed quotes in the media, only recorded interviews? Or is that just specific to Darren Moore?
I take what I read with a pinch of salt but when it’s directly quoted you have to take it at face value. Hoden himself has tweeted defending himself so unless he subsequently publishes an apology/retraction then I will believe that Moore has said that we have missed out on targets.
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DM has made it quite clear from the start that he’ll only bring in the ‘right’ players to the Rovers. He won’t go out to the market and just bring anyone in. It looks like we’ve made approaches of some sort to one or more of these targets, but for a variety of reasons (injuries, selling club changing their minds, other clubs interest etc...) none of them have come off yet. Consequently, the landscape is changing and theyre shifting their focus onto other players. And these things take time. We don’t have a bottomless pit of cash, so this needs to be done properly.
I really, really don’t see how anyone can fault the club. Some people seem determined to find any reason to have a dig at the club, despite having very little fact to base this on!
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Liam Hoden has now gone on record to defend himself.
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I have noticed quite often, particularly post match interviews, that what is written and quoted on the DFP site is identical to what was said on the RS interview.
What I have no idea about is, are these interviews done separately or part of a press conference where the radio journalist asks the questions and everyone else reports on the answers? Or do they have separate interviews for each.?
I like to trust what is written in the paper and in its website. Why wouldn’t I.? Same for the local radio interviews.
This just illustrates to me the downside of the need for public information on what is going on behind the scenes at the football club.
Anyone else remember the days you would go to Belle Vue and hear a player announced in the team and think “who.?”..?
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Alan. Have you listened to Adam Oxley's interview?
No, I’ve read the article in the FP. Was DM talking to AO at the same time?
We’re you there?
Is it not feasibly possible he could have said something more to Hoden that he didn’t say to Oxley?
Until Hoden says he made a mistake, then one has to assume that what Hoden put in quotation marks, DM actually said. Who am I to question that?
Whoever said what to who is less of a problem, by comparison, to the fact that we are 2 weeks away from not reinforcing the squad/team at all and it’s not sitting with me at all well. After all, like I’ve previously said, we’ve had since September to sort our strategy out and check out all possibilities.
It also seems to me that certain people are (unfairly) pointing the finger at DM for our transfer failings, to date and, if that is the case, then that’s out of order. If my perception is wrong, then I apologise, but it does seem like it.
Yes, perculiar isn't it. We have yet to hear it from DMs mouth. For your own benefit, listen to it. You may not change your view. That's up to you.
This is really bizarre. Are you and SM saying that no one should ever believe any printed quotes in the media, only recorded interviews? Or is that just specific to Darren Moore?
I take what I read with a pinch of salt but when it’s directly quoted you have to take it at face value. Hoden himself has tweeted defending himself so unless he subsequently publishes an apology/retraction then I will believe that Moore has said that we have missed out on targets.
What I,'m saying is there a quite a few people on this forum and on FB complaining about the headlines, not necessarily about this particularly about this most recent article, some of which are not from Hoden himself. As I've said on another thread, Hoden has a job to do however, some people interpret things differently from written reports from what they would do if they heard the same interview from the horses mouth.
I'm not sure what's happened with yesterday's interview but DM clearly tells Adam Oxley that we have not missed out on targets so far this window. I don't understand why he would say anything different to Hoden when they're in the same room at the same time.
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I take your point regarding click bait and misleading headlines creating hysteria but what people have been talking about on here is a direct quote from the body of an article. People shouldn’t be criticised for taking that at face value, and besides there’s nothing for Hoden to gain from making something up there given to see if you’d have to already be reading the article.
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He’s put the audio now on his twitter page
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I have noticed quite often, particularly post match interviews, that what is written and quoted on the DFP site is identical to what was said on the RS interview.
What I have no idea about is, are these interviews done separately or part of a press conference where the radio journalist asks the questions and everyone else reports on the answers? Or do they have separate interviews for each.?
I like to trust what is written in the paper and in its website. Why wouldn’t I.? Same for the local radio interviews.
This just illustrates to me the downside of the need for public information on what is going on behind the scenes at the football club.
Anyone else remember the days you would go to Belle Vue and hear a player announced in the team and think “who.?”..?
Best one was “Two Dean Williams’”. Guy signed night before game, started game I think then subbed at half time and was never seen again. The “other” Dean Williams has a far longer and better career with Rovers.
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I'm not saying Hoden deliberately misquoted DM but you can see how people jump to conclusions either by reading the headlines and not reading or hearing the full interview. You can see what happened as soon as the story broke. I just think as with most things a little pinch of salt should be take.
That all said, the only thing that will calm some anxiety is an actual signing.
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To be fair to Hoden on this occasion he has been proved correct.DM does actually say we've missed out on targets on record,so no spin there just reporting what DM says..
However for me this is another reason why we really could do with getting one of our targets done somehow,just to stop people falling out with each other from fans,board,chairman of vsc and Hoden..
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Hoden's job is to generate clicks, I'd say he's managed to do that perfectly.
The more extreme or tantalising the article, the more clicks he gets.
His role is to sail as close to the wind as possible, without getting sued, or losing the goodwill of some of his sources in the process.
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I'm struggling to see what people are on about??
Hoden has posted the audio part of the interview on twitter for all to listen too..Moore clearly says we have missed out on a couple of targets so far..He just reported what he actually said..
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Thanks for pointing me towards the audio. I'm bemused why DM has answered the same question differently probably within minutes of each other.
That certainly doesn't help matters when people are anxious to hear positive news.
Still nothing changes for me. Not the first time we've missed out on targets and won't be the last.
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Thanks for pointing me towards the audio. I'm bemused why DM has answered the same question differently probably within minutes of each other.
That certainly doesn't help matters when people are anxious to hear positive news.
Still nothing changes for me. Not the first time we've missed out on targets and won't be the last.
He hasn’t contradicted himself at all. He answered two different questions. On the BBC he discussed why we’d let players go. To the DFP he confirmed we’d missed out on some targets. Different points entirely.
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Oxley did ask if we'd missed out but anyway, it's cleared it up. Anyway, as said, nothings changed really.
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Maybe if Liam had tweeted his audio last night the issue of potentially “misquoting” wouldn’t have arisen..
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But was in quotation marks what Darren said it’s just that certain posters choose to call Liam to justify their points and agenda on here. So we now know we have missed out on players from the audio from Liam.
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He shouldn’t need to provide the audio
Some people for whatever reason have an agenda against Liam, and won’t allow any criticism of the club.
He doesn’t need to be playing the audio of every interview he does
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I would agree Dickos under most circumstances, but on this particular issue Liam’s audio has a different take on things to that of RS, so it does make sense to broadcast it.
I tend to trust what’s in the DFP and also what’s on the local radio, there’s no problem asking for clarity when reports are different.?
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I would agree Dickos under most circumstances, but on this particular issue Liam’s audio has a different take on things to that of RS, so it does make sense to broadcast it.
I tend to trust what’s in the DFP and also what’s on the local radio, there’s no problem asking for clarity when reports are different.?
But certain posters believe that clarity only comes from them.
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He has explained himself quite clearly on twitter and why he felt the need to defend himself, and not for the first time, either, according to him.
I find all this very sad indeed. Hoden shouldn’t have to be posting the audio at all, I agree. But the man has built up a level of trust between himself, the Club and the manager and he is going to protect that, of course he is.
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We missed out on the guy from Norwich through no fault of our own.
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He has explained himself quite clearly on twitter and why he felt the need to defend himself, and not for the first time, either, according to him.
I find all this very sad indeed. Hoden shouldn’t have to be posting the audio at all, I agree. But the man has built up a level of trust between himself, the Club and the manager and he is going to protect that, of course he is.
On this occasion it is sensible for Liam I publish his audio. I have no issues with what he writes but where another interview seems to contradict one of the issues, then it’s right that he should do that.. ideally he shouldn’t have to but in this case it makes sense..
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We missed out on the guy from Norwich through no fault of our own.
Have we ;)
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He has explained himself quite clearly on twitter and why he felt the need to defend himself, and not for the first time, either, according to him.
I find all this very sad indeed. Hoden shouldn’t have to be posting the audio at all, I agree. But the man has built up a level of trust between himself, the Club and the manager and he is going to protect that, of course he is.
I wait for SM's public apology with baited breath. I fear this may take some time
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DM has made it quite clear from the start that he’ll only bring in the ‘right’ players to the Rovers. He won’t go out to the market and just bring anyone in. It looks like we’ve made approaches of some sort to one or more of these targets, but for a variety of reasons (injuries, selling club changing their minds, other clubs interest etc...) none of them have come off yet. Consequently, the landscape is changing and theyre shifting their focus onto other players. And these things take time. We don’t have a bottomless pit of cash, so this needs to be done properly.
I really, really don’t see how anyone can fault the club. Some people seem determined to find any reason to have a dig at the club, despite having very little fact to base this on!
Herbert, I don’t understand why posters put such an emphasis on “bringing in the right players, not just any players”.
Surely all managers go out to do exactly that.
I can’t imagine that any manager goes out and buys any player just to satisfy the fans of his club.
DM is no different from anyone else out there in his position.
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He has explained himself quite clearly on twitter and why he felt the need to defend himself, and not for the first time, either, according to him.
I find all this very sad indeed. Hoden shouldn’t have to be posting the audio at all, I agree. But the man has built up a level of trust between himself, the Club and the manager and he is going to protect that, of course he is.
On this occasion it is sensible for Liam I publish his audio. I have no issues with what he writes but where another interview seems to contradict one of the issues, then it’s right that he should do that.. ideally he shouldn’t have to but in this case it makes sense..
He has published the audio, he doesn’t need to do it just to prove the people wrong.
It seems there’s an issue with him and SM
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No, not to prove people wrong, more to demonstrate his interview was different..
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No, it was suggested he misquoted DM. He clearly didn’t.
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Alan, on several occasions we see post match write ups in the DFP quoting DM with the same words from the radio Sheffield interviews.. and there is absolutely nowt wrong with that - it’s right that Liam should use those quotes.
Therefore yesterday when Liam wrote in the DFP a different and contradictory angle to what was on RS, it was open to question. From my point of view I though Liam may have misquoted from the RS interview - not misquoted DM from his own talks.
Now Liam has tweeted his source, that clears matters up.
Liam wouldn’t normally need to publish his audio because normally there isn’t a discrepancy between his reports and the radio interviews.
The transfer activity is such a hot potato, which is why these sort of things are scrutinised so closely. For me, it’s not about suggesting a journalist is wrong..
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I may be wrong but liams article was published before the radio Sheffield one so maybe he had no reason to publish the audio and then when he saw the backlash this morning he thought he had best do so to stop the grief he was getting
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That’s my point - this is such a touchy subject that it makes sense for Liam to say this was from a different interview.
Then the issue isn’t the reports or the tweets, more why there is s different story in the first place.?
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I may be wrong but liams article was published before the radio Sheffield one so maybe he had no reason to publish the audio and then when he saw the backlash this morning he thought he had best do so to stop the grief he was getting
Quite right. I listened to the RS interview first, then came on here and wondered what all the fuss was about. I asked if someone could point me to Hoden's article which seemed at odds with what I'd heard. I certainly didn't throw any accusations about without questioning and asked others to listen to the RS interview.
Unfortunately, that's led to Hoden hearing via twitter that someone had accused him of printing false quotes. I haven't seen a direct accusation of that on here.
Quite rightly in response, Hoden published the clip to clear that up.
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Alan, on several occasions we see post match write ups in the DFP quoting DM with the same words from the radio Sheffield interviews.. and there is absolutely nowt wrong with that - it’s right that Liam should use those quotes.
Therefore yesterday when Liam wrote in the DFP a different and contradictory angle to what was on RS, it was open to question. From my point of view I though Liam may have misquoted from the RS interview - not misquoted DM from his own talks.
Now Liam has tweeted his source, that clears matters up.
Liam wouldn’t normally need to publish his audio because normally there isn’t a discrepancy between his reports and the radio interviews.
The transfer activity is such a hot potato, which is why these sort of things are scrutinised so closely. For me, it’s not about suggesting a journalist is wrong..
A case in point here:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/secret-doncaster-rovers-staying-fit-through-busy-run-1367875 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/secret-doncaster-rovers-staying-fit-through-busy-run-1367875)
What DM is quoted as saying about prevention rather than cure etc looks very very similar to what he said in the RS interview.
But that isn't a contentious issue so no one would suggest Liam needs to domonstrate his source here.
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That’s my point - this is such a touchy subject that it makes sense for Liam to say this was from a different interview.
Then the issue isn’t the reports or the tweets, more why there is s different story in the first place.?
That’s what I mean though
When he did his article it was the only one doing the rounds, only when RS released there’s did the problems arise.
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Incoming?
;)
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Incoming?
;)
After all that’s been posted on here from all angles Alan, do we really need a teaser.?
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I thought it might get a bit of attention!
;)
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Truth or wind up
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Just a sniff of something on twitter. I know it’s not much to go on, and we’ve been here before, but let’s just hope for some good news. We bloody well need some!
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True Alan be nice to get someone in before tomorrow.
Just had a look and Norwich are expecting Pukki back for this weekend could that push idah back out
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Maso
Just a sniff of something on twitter. I know it’s not much to go on, and we’ve been here before, but let’s just hope for some good news. We bloody well need some!
Mason’s “4 pm” tweet.?
That followed on he/she made a few minutes earlier asking about what trains folks were getting to Sunderland..
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Yeah would be nice to start the weekend on a very positive note.
In the meantime, hope you all enjoy the match tomorrow and we can talk about some actual football.
COYR
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Blackpool been busy again, signed a Wolves midfielder on loan.
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Alan, on several occasions we see post match write ups in the DFP quoting DM with the same words from the radio Sheffield interviews.. and there is absolutely nowt wrong with that - it’s right that Liam should use those quotes.
Therefore yesterday when Liam wrote in the DFP a different and contradictory angle to what was on RS, it was open to question. From my point of view I though Liam may have misquoted from the RS interview - not misquoted DM from his own talks.
Now Liam has tweeted his source, that clears matters up.
Liam wouldn’t normally need to publish his audio because normally there isn’t a discrepancy between his reports and the radio interviews.
The transfer activity is such a hot potato, which is why these sort of things are scrutinised so closely. For me, it’s not about suggesting a journalist is wrong..
A case in point here:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/secret-doncaster-rovers-staying-fit-through-busy-run-1367875 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/secret-doncaster-rovers-staying-fit-through-busy-run-1367875)
On viewing that link...has he broken his gear stick off?
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Just read a report from the Gloucester version of the free press stating we’re interested in midfielder Ed Williams from Kidderminster
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Just updated with Wycombe's signing they made on Saturday which I'd missed, which means that there are now only 4 clubs yet to make their move - us, Coventry, Accrington & Southend.
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Nobody is signing players though nick, it’s very hard in January
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Burton have signed Jamie Murphy on loan from rangers.... decent signing for them
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Nobody is signing players though nick, it’s very hard in January
The list now includes 40 players just in our league alone....
I know DM is holding out for his “A List” players but I wonder how many of these are left or still available and also how long do we hold out for without risking not leaving enough time to deal with the “B List” players
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Thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic
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We may as well just go to list x at this rate!
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Nobody is signing players though nick, it’s very hard in January
The vast majority are loans. Yes it is difficult to get good quality permanent signings in January.
Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.
Go and ask the 71 FL Club managers what they think. I know what their answer will be.
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Light the touch paper ?
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Light the touch paper ?
No i am not replying to his reply assuming it comes which is almost inevitable.
So no touch paper from me hound.
Just a strait forward opinion i have given on the availability of good quality permanent signings in January.
All opinions are welcome hound.
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Burton have signed Jamie Murphy on loan from rangers.... decent signing for them
I remember when he played for us in the early 90s. Must be getting on a bit now.
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Burton have signed Jamie Murphy on loan from rangers.... decent signing for them
I remember when he played for us in the early 90s. Must be getting on a bit now.
Poor man’s Ryan Kirby.
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Nobody is signing players though nick, it’s very hard in January
The list now includes 40 players just in our league alone....
I know DM is holding out for his “A List” players but I wonder how many of these are left or still available and also how long do we hold out for without risking not leaving enough time to deal with the “B List” players
I think the time to judge our performance in this window is the 1st Feb' when we know how we've done.
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I think this summarises DM's position on the possibility of new faces arriving at the building...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-talks-being-it-long-haul-doncaster-rovers-1370685
I think his references to the long haul, succession planning, continuation and building, suggest that he intends to wait until the right player/s are available. It may not sit right with some of our more needy/desperate fans, but I think we need to accept this and wait for developments...
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I think this summarises DM's position on the possibility of new faces arriving at the building...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-talks-being-it-long-haul-doncaster-rovers-1370685
I think his references to the long haul, succession planning, continuation and building, suggest that he intends to wait until the right player/s are available. It may not sit right with some of our more needy/desperate fans, but I think we need to accept this and wait for developments...
I take that as a really strong position actually. One thing I noted is looking at how the success of a short or long term approach has gone for us and what have we achieved when working on a short term basis? Ferguson for all his faults did actually build something, he may have poorly managed it in some ways but he did build a side. Mccann started to but didn't stick around. SOD was the most successful at it, when he built a side it became very strong, let's see if DM can do the same over a few years. If we don't do that we'll just come straight down again as we did after the Saunders/Flynn promotion as it had no long term substance behind it.
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I think this summarises DM's position on the possibility of new faces arriving at the building...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-talks-being-it-long-haul-doncaster-rovers-1370685
I think his references to the long haul, succession planning, continuation and building, suggest that he intends to wait until the right player/s are available. It may not sit right with some of our more needy/desperate fans, but I think we need to accept this and wait for developments...
I take that as a really strong position actually.
So do I....
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Just done a tot up.
There’s have been 29 transfers involving a fee regarding incomings to the 71 FL Clubs up to & including yesterday.
Yes all of 29
All the others are Free transfers, unattached or Loans which the latter is the largest majority.
I would suggest any Free Transfers would be players other clubs don’t put a value on and are happy to off load in January to get them off the wage bill.
I am sure DM could bring in 3/4 of those but is that what we want or need.
Think we should just let DM deal with the recruitment as he sees fit.
He has a long term plan for this Club and he has my confidence to achieve the goals he will have set.
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Just done a tot up.
There’s have been 29 transfers involving a fee regarding incomings to the 71 FL Clubsup to & including yesterday.
Yes all of 29
All the others are Free transfers, unattached or Loans which the latter is the largest majority.
I would suggest any Free Transfers would be players other clubs don’t put a value on and are happy to off load in January to get them off the wage bill.
I am sure DM could bring in 3/4 of those but is that what we want or need.
Think we should just let DM deal with the recruitment as he sees fit.
He has a long term plan for this Club and he has my confidence to achieve the goals he will have set.
Campsall mate, free transfers doesn't always mean that they are not much good, it also means the player does not add uo to the managers way of playing or he does not like his style of play
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People keep saying he’s going to wait until he finds the right player
But he’s found them and put the offers in.
So that’s not the issue
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People keep saying he’s going to wait until he finds the right player
But he’s found them and put the offers in.
So that’s not the issue
Yep the issue is that the players he wants don’t want to join us for what ever reason
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Or negotiations take longer, or there are several teams looking at the same player, or their manager isn’t sure they want to sell/loan.. etc etc..
Wasn’t our loan of sterling delayed because he was being considered for Spurs’ first team squad.?
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Deals are done, agreement has been reached. Now it's just a matter of timing, e.g. who comes in first will affect the deals that follow.
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Is that a general comment on transfer proceedings, or a hint about our actual activity.?
Hopefully the latter and I noted “deals” being plural.!
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DM will be considering short term on longer term, just as most managers do. He may have targets on his list who are not currently available but will be in the summer perhaps. In addition, say an opportunity came up to get one of those players on loan before his contract runs out, then I'm sure he would explore that.
Just as SO'D and others tracked his former players, like Brian Stock on loan from Preston, I'm sure they'll continually assess and reassess the right time to make moves depending on needs.
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Deals are done, agreement has been reached. Now it's just a matter of timing, e.g. who comes in first will affect the deals that follow.
Sorry to risk sounding thick here, SM, are you referring to Rovers with this, or just generally?
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I get the impression he means actual Rovers business, if only because he uses “now”..
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‘Deals’ could be outgoing, not just incoming!
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SM wouldn’t be posting something like that if it was about players leaving
Anyhow he said “who comes in first”
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Yes we bring someone in first to replace an outgoing then we bring in other deals.
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SM wouldn’t be posting something like that if it was about players leaving
Anyhow he said “who comes in first”
Agreed Dickos.. that and we have already suffered outgoings..
There is always going to be a worry that our better players (such as Whiteman) could be sold, we can’t avoid that fear - but it doesn’t mean there are going to be any more outgoings..
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It sounds good to me, happy to wait :scarf:
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Just done a tot up.
There’s have been 29 transfers involving a fee regarding incomings to the 71 FL Clubsup to & including yesterday.
Yes all of 29
All the others are Free transfers, unattached or Loans which the latter is the largest majority.
I would suggest any Free Transfers would be players other clubs don’t put a value on and are happy to off load in January to get them off the wage bill.
I am sure DM could bring in 3/4 of those but is that what we want or need.
Think we should just let DM deal with the recruitment as he sees fit.
He has a long term plan for this Club and he has my confidence to achieve the goals he will have set.
Campsall mate, free transfers doesn't always mean that they are not much good, it also means the player does not add uo to the managers way of playing or he does not like his style of play
No Vicar you are correct, it doesn’t always mean that they are not much good. But obviously DM has his personal targets and up to press none of these freebies are on his list or so it would seem. If they are then either they or their agents are asking for unrealistic wages or surely we would have brought someone in by now.
We just have to be very patient and what will transpire will transpire. There really is no panic.
I think DM is looking further ahead than this season. That’s not to say we will not be going for a play off place this season and the possibility of promotion that scenario would bring.
Yes we will de going for it, of course we will, but as we all know that possibility is massively diminished without a couple of additions this month.
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The other thing we should remember is something like 25% I think it is of the deals done in January are done on the very last day.
Who knows we might have 3 new players on Saturday 1st Feb.
On the other hand we might have none.
But i tell you what i ain’t losing any sleep over it, that’s a certainty.
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Comments from GB in DFP.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/players-we-think-are-good-enough-high-demand-doncaster-rovers-ceo-gavin-baldwin-addresses-transfer-market-1370857
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I think we're wisely waiting for the July sales, go hungry for a litte while, then snap up the bargains sharpish.
This season we will have no psycho take over bids, a settled board, all our best players sorted with contracts, and a continuity manager in place safe and secure. What could go wrong? :scarf: :unsure:
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But BRR GB says we are looking at players in high demand so we won’t be looking at bargains in July. Those players will still be in high demand in the summer with more competition for their services.
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I think we're wisely waiting for the July sales, go hungry for a litte while, then snap up the bargains sharpish.
This season we will have no psycho take over bids, a settled board, all our best players sorted with contracts, and a continuity manager in place safe and secure. What could go wrong? :scarf: :unsure:
The board's objective for the season will have failed, most of our good players will leave, just as they did last year, and attendances will drop off, that's what could go wrong.
What makes you think we'll find it any easier to get deals over the line next Summer?
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
Before Friday? Bloody Hell, I hope we're not being too hasty!
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
Before Friday? Bloody Hell, I hope we're not being too hasty!
It’s causing indigestion
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You know wise men say only fools rush in? I wonder if DM still wants Teddy Sheringham for the U23 squad?
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You know wise men say only fools rush in? I wonder if DM still wants Teddy Sheringham for the U23 squad?
Only if he can get Alan Shearer to hold his hand
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
Think most of us would like signings this winter :)
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
Before Friday? Bloody Hell, I hope we're not being too hasty!
Yeah but please note that he only said “possibly”.
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
Before Friday? Bloody Hell, I hope we're not being too hasty!
Yeah but please note that he only said “possibly”.
It doesn’t mean it isn’t happening though
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There will be signings this summer and possibly one before Friday
Before Friday? Bloody Hell, I hope we're not being too hasty!
Yeah but please note that he only said “possibly”.
It doesn’t mean it isn’t happening though
Too many people speak in riddles on here.
I suppose I could say there could well be a really good player signing for us in the next couple of days.
If it happens I would be able to say I told you so.
If it doesn’t I would be able to say that i only said it could be happening.
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No riddles at all
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Don't suppose anyone has considered that potential signings might read this board to see what sort of fan base they will be expected to please and had second thoughts.
Manager clearly has no idea, taken us as far as he can, board has no ambition, player falls out of favour - get rid, cheap option club, relegation budget, going nowhere, etc, etc.
Obviously one win later and it's our year again, play-off at least, good enough for top two.
I mean, would you ...
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Don't suppose anyone has considered that potential signings might read this board to see what sort of fan base they will be expected to please and had second thoughts.
Manager clearly has no idea, taken us as far as he can, board has no ambition, player falls out of favour - get rid, cheap option club, relegation budget, going nowhere, etc, etc.
Obviously one win later and it's our year again, play-off at least, good enough for top two.
I mean, would you ...
You talk some tripe
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Don't suppose anyone has considered that potential signings might read this board to see what sort of fan base they will be expected to please and had second thoughts.
Manager clearly has no idea, taken us as far as he can, board has no ambition, player falls out of favour - get rid, cheap option club, relegation budget, going nowhere, etc, etc.
Obviously one win later and it's our year again, play-off at least, good enough for top two.
I mean, would you ...
No, and if it does happen I’d not sure I’d want someone with that mentality playing for us anyway. First time he gets a dodgy shout from the crowd he’d be sulking and faking injuries.
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Don't suppose anyone has considered that potential signings might read this board to see what sort of fan base they will be expected to please and had second thoughts.
Manager clearly has no idea, taken us as far as he can, board has no ambition, player falls out of favour - get rid, cheap option club, relegation budget, going nowhere, etc, etc.
Obviously one win later and it's our year again, play-off at least, good enough for top two.
I mean, would you ...
I don’t understand why people think that our fans are any different to fans of other clubs with thoughts and comments.
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Don't suppose anyone has considered that potential signings might read this board to see what sort of fan base they will be expected to please and had second thoughts.
Manager clearly has no idea, taken us as far as he can, board has no ambition, player falls out of favour - get rid, cheap option club, relegation budget, going nowhere, etc, etc.
Obviously one win later and it's our year again, play-off at least, good enough for top two.
I mean, would you ...
I don’t understand why people think that our fans are any different to fans of other clubs with thoughts and comments.
Exactly hound we have as many miserable so & so’s supporting us as all the other clubs.
Unfortunately. :crying:
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-has-cure-transfer-market-fatigue-doncaster-rovers-you-just-need-be-patient-liam-hoden-column-1371754
So Hoden's latest piece supports what S_M has been saying all along. There is no problem. Swipes at the board, GB, Blunt etc are unfounded.
Let's jusr see what evolves.
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So plan A is waiting to see if Idah becomes available again and plan B is probably one of the other names banded about and denied to date.. the Shrewsbury or Southend forwards... that's my take on it without the vision others on here have..
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-has-cure-transfer-market-fatigue-doncaster-rovers-you-just-need-be-patient-liam-hoden-column-1371754
So Hoden's latest piece supports what S_M has been saying all along. There is no problem. Swipes at the board, GB, Blunt etc are unfounded.
Let's jusr see what evolves.
The word is Patience. It’s in very short supply. All will be well. DM has it all under control. The board are backing him etc etc etc.
Maybe all the concern is unfounded. Well that’s a shock. Not.
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So plan A is waiting to see if Idah becomes available again and plan B is probably one of the other names banded about and denied to date.. the Shrewsbury or Southend forwards... that's my take on it without the vision others on here have..
How do you work that out.?
DM said the other day that his targets hadn’t been identified in the media..
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Donny Exile did you read the article
“His ‘Plan A’, for want of a better term, is still active and remains a distinct possibility. Multiple deals, dependent on each other for Moore’s overall plan and triggered by each other.
Moore is comfortable with the wait, preferring not to divert his attention and miss out on his top choices - those who he sees as most right for the club - due to his own actions.”
“And is he also confident he can quickly enact ‘Plan B’ if required in the final days of the window.”
So his Plan A is not one player and his plan B is not either.
It’s what SM said one player in could then trigger other actions. What those actions are we wait and see when the trigger is pulled.
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IF the trigger is pulled?
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Still think Idah is part of plan A.. and not great playing poker til so late in the window dependent on other deals triggering the possibility of our deals.. meanwhile another game against Sunderland will no doubt go by with no strengthening and a relatively weak bench beyond a good first IX..
I can only think that DM doesn't want to bring only one forward in and it might be a case of two in at once but I admit I have absolutely no clue why one deal would have a knock on affect for another or multiple deals stevedrfc.. your guess is as good as mine..
Would be happy with the Southend or Shrewsbury lad or both.. albeit I would hope Humphrys is not Curtis Main Mark 2..
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I’ll keep my paper dry what I think about one deal affecting other deals I have my own idea but we will see how or if it works out.
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Don't suppose anyone has considered that potential signings might read this board to see what sort of fan base they will be expected to please and had second thoughts.
Manager clearly has no idea, taken us as far as he can, board has no ambition, player falls out of favour - get rid, cheap option club, relegation budget, going nowhere, etc, etc.
Obviously one win later and it's our year again, play-off at least, good enough for top two.
I mean, would you ...
Please tell me you had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you wrote that post?
Jeez.....it takes me all my effort & a whisky or two before visiting the site these days!
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So plan A is waiting to see if Idah becomes available again and plan B is probably one of the other names banded about and denied to date.. the Shrewsbury or Southend forwards... that's my take on it without the vision others on here have..
How do you work that out.?
DM said the other day that his targets hadn’t been identified in the media..
Just an opinion.. you are allowed those on here!
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Having an opinion isn’t the issue..
But if you express something that warrants questioning, it’s ok to question isn’t it.?
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Its an uneducated guess... that's all it is but I make no bones about it.. however if its multiple deals then I wont even try to guess.. all will come out in the wash by 31st January should we sign anyone.
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I can’t even begin to guess - will find out when anything gets announced.!
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Deals are done, agreement has been reached. Now it's just a matter of timing, e.g. who comes in first will affect the deals that follow.
These must be "Loan" deals then Martin.
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Could today be the day
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There are several scenario’s as to what may trigger anything. But one such scenario could be that if we sign ‘prime candidate A’, off the A list, and he is a loan, then that could trigger (say) the other deals, whether off lists A, B or Z, becoming permanent, as we’d have our maximum 5 loans.
Just a thought.
Another scenario could be 3 in, 1 out, or any other combination.
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There are several scenario’s as to what may trigger anything. But one such scenario could be that if we sign ‘prime candidate A’, off the A list, and he is a loan, then that could trigger (say) the other deals, whether off lists A, B or Z, becoming permanent, as we’d have our maximum 5 loans.
Just a thought.
Another scenario could be 3 in, 1 out, or any other combination.
I don't think you'd be far off. Likely that Prime target A is agreed but dependant on his clubs other business. That would then determine financially which other targets fall into place.
Likely Plan A or Plan B could be activated quickly. Both plans could contain A list players! Ha ha!!
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There are several scenario’s as to what may trigger anything. But one such scenario could be that if we sign ‘prime candidate A’, off the A list, and he is a loan, then that could trigger (say) the other deals, whether off lists A, B or Z, becoming permanent, as we’d have our maximum 5 loans.
Just a thought.
Another scenario could be 3 in, 1 out, or any other combination.
I have no idea but don’t forget during the first half of the season we had 6 loanees.. the maximum of 5 is only in any one matchday squad.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we should have that many, but in theory we could get a couple more in on loan..
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I’ll keep my paper dry what I think about one deal affecting other deals I have my own idea but we will see how or if it works out.
Why bother posting this?
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I’ll keep my paper dry what I think about one deal affecting other deals I have my own idea but we will see how or if it works out.
Why bother posting this?
Especially as he means keep his powder dry......
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I’ll keep my paper dry what I think about one deal affecting other deals I have my own idea but we will see how or if it works out.
Why bother posting this?
Especially as he means keep his powder dry......
He might have meant keep his Toilet Paper dry? You wouldn't expect him to wipe his bum with wet Toilet Paper now, would you :turd:
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I’ll keep my paper dry what I think about one deal affecting other deals I have my own idea but we will see how or if it works out.
are you thinking that the "one deal affecting others" means that we are waiting for Whiteman's move to Hull before funds are released to enable us to buy some players?............. :ohmy:
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I was hoping today might be the day when we got one over the line for the Sunderland game,but the silence on here and especially twitter means it's probably unlikely now..
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I for one am quite comfortable with the “radio silence” until deals are done..
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I think tomorrow could be a pivotal day bearing in mind timescales for registering players is different for loans and permanents. For a loan it could be as late as Friday for the evening game. Tomorrow for permanent if DM wishes to include them in the squad for Sunderland.
Just a hunch nothing more.
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The silence could mean deals are being signed and sealed....
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No transfer moment imminent at Doncaster. Darren Moore says the club has the right personnel to get on with landing targets and he’s leaving them to it so he can focus on the Sunderland game. Says they’re looking at the same targets and more from early in the window.
From twitter
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I’ll keep my paper dry what I think about one deal affecting other deals I have my own idea but we will see how or if it works out.
are you thinking that the "one deal affecting others" means that we are waiting for Whiteman's move to Hull before funds are released to enable us to buy some players?............. :ohmy:
I’m not using powder or writing on paper so I couldn’t at this moment possibly comment
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No transfer moment imminent at Doncaster. Darren Moore says the club has the right personnel to get on with landing targets and he’s leaving them to it so he can focus on the Sunderland game. Says they’re looking at the same targets and more from early in the window.
From twitter
Note that the BBC interviewer said "I know nothing is imminent, but..." before asking the question. Darren never said that and merely spoke about focusing on the Sunderland game.
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It's amazing we can have 246 posts on this thread about absolutely nothing.
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It's amazing we can have 246 posts on this thread about absolutely nothing.
Because there have been no transfers in league one this window at all.?? Not one?
There have been no players suggested to come to Doncaster, regardless of whether they will, absolutely nothing to discuss..
Jesus H Christ.!
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I said that aswell RoversAlias the interviewer says nothing is imminent not Moore. Before most of our signings last summer Moore literally said a day or 2 before most of them nothing is imminent or no signings in the near future. He keeps his cards close to his chest hes not going to come out and say no we've got a couple signing tomorrow in response to the interviewers statement he'd be stupid to. Watch Tomorrow i guarantee there will be a signing.
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Just listened to that and agree we shouldn't rule anything out. Just his usual coy self as you would expect.
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So can we still hope for a striker to be signed in time for the Sunderland game , to come on and bag a brace on his debut ( including the winner ) ?
sigh....... :rolleyes:
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I just copied and pasted from twitter
I know that an hour in football is a long time however another working day is over and looks like we still haven’t got anyone yet.
I think if we want anyone in for the Sunderland game we have until 3pm on Friday to register them for us.
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Media day tomorrow isn't it something should be getting announced plus players training tomorrow.
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No. We've had media day today hence the prematch interviews.
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As if we havn’t got a thin enough squad already, we’re now, apparently, willing to ‘listen to offers’ for Ben Whiteman!
Is this the ‘trigger’ that SM writes about?
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As if we havn’t got a thin enough squad already, we’re now, apparently, willing to ‘listen to offers’ for Ben Whiteman!
Is this the ‘trigger’ that SM writes about?
Every club is willing to listen to any offers for their players but it doesn’t mean they will sell, this continuing doom is becoming ridiculous
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Ben Whiteman being targeted by Derby, Blackburn and a.n.other Championship club, will we take the money? Maybe.
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Ben Whiteman being targeted by Derby, Blackburn and a.n.other Championship club, will we take the money? Maybe.
Maybe not
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As if we havn’t got a thin enough squad already, we’re now, apparently, willing to ‘listen to offers’ for Ben Whiteman!
Is this the ‘trigger’ that SM writes about?
Alan I've obviously missed that, who has said we are willing "to listen to offers" for Ben?
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Yes I would like to see that pointed out..
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Idah not in the Norwich squad at Tottenham tonight..
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As if we havn’t got a thin enough squad already, we’re now, apparently, willing to ‘listen to offers’ for Ben Whiteman!
Is this the ‘trigger’ that SM writes about?
That's not what I said, or inferred.
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Apologies are duly given, then, SM. Please enlighten me as to what you were inferring, because I have clearly misunderstood.
You did mention something about triggers, or have I made that big up?
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this continuing doom is becoming ridiculous
DVR, with all due respect, not all of us have the inside track on the goings on at DRFC, and don’t insult me by telling me that you don’t hear a few whispers from time to time. From my perspective, what is getting ridiculous is the dismantling of a squad that did ok last season and one which I thought (foolishly) that we would build on this season.
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Alan, as you say we only needed minor tweaks from the squad we had last season and we would have been fighting for a top two slot all season. If the board have taken over recruitment from the managers they have allowed the team to be dismantled into something that can't compare with last season. All we hear is wait, wait and wait and nothing happens.
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this continuing doom is becoming ridiculous
DVR, with all due respect, not all of us have the inside track on the goings on at DRFC, and don’t insult me by telling me that you don’t hear a few whispers from time to time. From my perspective, what is getting ridiculous is the dismantling of a squad that did ok last season and one which I thought (foolishly) that we would build on this season.
I’m not insulting you it’s your choice to believe the doom and gloom social media posts over those who you believe have a little knowledge and are telling you different. I can honestly say I was worried when we got to the middle of the month but not now.
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Apologies are duly given, then, SM. Please enlighten me as to what you were inferring, because I have clearly misunderstood.
You did mention something about triggers, or have I made that big up?
This is purely conjecture but let’s say we have one prime player target, a marquee signing we are looking to sign permanently. However his club may be undecided on selling, but might allow a loan..
That could be a trigger - if player 1 signs permanently then one of players 2, 3, or 4 could join on loan. But if player 1 can only be a loanee, player 2, 3 etc could sign permanently..
Or player one could be a striker of a certain type, meaning players 2 and 3 are lined up to fit his style - but if player one can’t happen then we get players 4, 5 and 6 of different styles..
As I said, purely conjecture but relatively straightforward to understand how the first transfer works can determine the following ones..
All the players in these scenarios could be lined up ready to go once the first move is decided..
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Exactly IDM.
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I must add that I have no idea who those players would be, I’ve seen the names on the rumour mill section etc, but am happy to wait and see..
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Exactly IDM.
Seems reasonable to me..
I guess it must be quite frustrating if you have access to privileged information which you can’t disclose yet..
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this continuing doom is becoming ridiculous
DVR, with all due respect, not all of us have the inside track on the goings on at DRFC, and don’t insult me by telling me that you don’t hear a few whispers from time to time. From my perspective, what is getting ridiculous is the dismantling of a squad that did ok last season and one which I thought (foolishly) that we would build on this season.
I’m not insulting you it’s your choice to believe the doom and gloom social media posts over those who you believe have a little knowledge and are telling you different. I can honestly say I was worried when we got to the middle of the month but not now.
That is fair enough DVR.
I have looked at your mid month posts and they do reflect that you were as worried as the next man about our lack of incoming players.
It does appear though that you do have a little knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes and as a result you are now more comfortable with our situation about potential signings.
You must be aware of how other posters who aren’t privileged with inside information feel.
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Exactly IDM.
Seems reasonable to me..
I guess it must be quite frustrating if you have access to privileged information which you can’t disclose yet..
I'm not pushing for names and other explicit detail on the clubs dealings. I'm just asking for an understanding of where we are, how busy are we and why deals have not yet taken place, although inevitably some of the detail comes through.
Hopefully that means I can put people's minds at ease,so I can assure them that there are no underlying reasons as to the slow movement so far.
It's up to individuals as to whether they believe me, and some will twist my words looking to put a negative slant on them. That's the frustrating part of this IDM.
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Exactly, hound. It’s easy to be smug when you know what’s likely to happen.
I hope the people who do know are not going to end up with large portions of egg on their faces. As that would mean that we have got our long overdue fingers out.
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I'm obviously wasting my metaphorical breath!!
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Exactly IDM.
Seems reasonable to me..
I guess it must be quite frustrating if you have access to privileged information which you can’t disclose yet..
I'm not pushing for names and other explicit detail on the clubs dealings. I'm just asking for an understanding of where we are, how busy are we and why deals have not yet taken place, although inevitably some of the detail comes through.
Hopefully that means I can put people's minds at ease,so I can assure them that there are no underlying reasons as to the slow movement so far.
It's up to individuals as to whether they believe me, and some will twist my words looking to put a negative slant on them. That's the frustrating part of this IDM.
We will know when we know..
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Chaps, we all wish the window works out as DM wants it. Point being that DM is calling the shots and doing it his way as S_M has done his best to point out.
The hardest thing to do is trust and be patient. We've seen all sorts of finger pointing suggesting all sorts of crap that has no foundation whatsoever yet, we wait to see the players that DM has tergetted so of course, none of us can be confident without seeing the spoils of DM's hard work.
It strikes me that DM will work his butt off for DRFC, is comfortable with the framework he's working in, with the people he's working with, sticks with his beliefs and will give our players every chance to succeed. I really hope and believe, sooner or later, those attributes will pay off.
He should be receiving better support from us than he's getting.
I swear that if a typical Rovers fan won £1m, he'd moan cos it was paid in £5 notes!!
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this continuing doom is becoming ridiculous
DVR, with all due respect, not all of us have the inside track on the goings on at DRFC, and don’t insult me by telling me that you don’t hear a few whispers from time to time. From my perspective, what is getting ridiculous is the dismantling of a squad that did ok last season and one which I thought (foolishly) that we would build on this season.
I’m not insulting you it’s your choice to believe the doom and gloom social media posts over those who you believe have a little knowledge and are telling you different. I can honestly say I was worried when we got to the middle of the month but not now.
That is fair enough DVR.
I have looked at your mid month posts and they do reflect that you were as worried as the next man about our lack of incoming players.
It does appear though that you do have a little knowledge of what is going on behind the scenes and as a result you are now more comfortable with our situation about potential signings.
You must be aware of how other posters who aren’t privileged with inside information feel.
I am hound however the depths of despair and ridiculous statements about the board that have been posted is way over the top
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Exactly, hound. It’s easy to be smug when you know what’s likely to happen.
I hope the people who do know are not going to end up with large portions of egg on their faces. As that would mean that we have got our long overdue fingers out.
I’m hardly being smug Alan, I can definitely state that I do not know the name(s) of any players on Darren’s A or B list but I am aware that things are being put in place and that the Club will be making signings this window, I had hoped it would put your mind at ease along with SM’s comments but alas no you would rather wallow in the doom
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DVR, nobody is wallowing in anything. You said yourself you were concerned only a few days ago now. Were you wallowing?
All I see is what’s been happening since the end of the play-offs last season and, you tell me, where is the evidence for anyone to trust what we, as a Club, have done since? Excepting the appointment of DM as manager. He has been the only appointment we’ve made. And I went on record, at the time, to express my joy that we’d managed to secure him. But I did say that we must back him, and we’ve barely done that. Yes, we’ve got loanees coming out of our ears, but in the summer they will be long gone and we start again!
Here we are, nearly into February and no striker in the team. JM left last summer! The frustration is palpable. That’s what it is - total and utter frustration.
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Chaps, we all wish the window works out as DM wants it. Point being that DM is calling the shots and doing it his way as S_M has done his best to point out.
The hardest thing to do is trust and be patient. We've seen all sorts of finger pointing suggesting all sorts of crap that has no foundation whatsoever yet, we wait to see the players that DM has tergetted so of course, none of us can be confident without seeing the spoils of DM's hard work.
It strikes me that DM will work his butt off for DRFC, is comfortable with the framework he's working in, with the people he's working with, sticks with his beliefs and will give our players every chance to succeed. I really hope and believe, sooner or later, those attributes will pay off.
He should be receiving better support from us than he's getting.
I swear that if a typical Rovers fan won £1m, he'd moan cos it was paid in £5 notes!!
... and how much of that £1m could they bring themselves to pour into the Rovers with no intention of receiving anything in return?
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DVR, nobody is wallowing in anything. You said yourself you were concerned only a few days ago now. Were you wallowing?
All I see is what’s been happening since the end of the play-offs last season and, you tell me, where is the evidence for anyone to trust what we, as a Club, have done since? Excepting the appointment of DM as manager. He has been the only appointment we’ve made. And I went on record, at the time, to express my joy that we’d managed to secure him. But I did say that we must back him, and we’ve barely done that. Yes, we’ve got loanees coming out of our ears, but in the summer they will be long gone and we start again!
Here we are, nearly into February and no striker in the team. JM left last summer! The frustration is palpable. That’s what it is - total and utter frustration.
Don’t forget that transfer dealings aren’t just about the buying/loaning club..
We may have been unfortunate more than other clubs, where the other club/agent/player puts some obstacle into a move.
Disappointment and frustration is understandable but you do come across as despairing, sorry.
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Now we have been told signings are going to happen, let’s just wait now and see.
The worry was always we weren’t going to sign anyone, but we’ve been categorically told now that they will happen.
So the negativity should maybe disappear
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DVR, nobody is wallowing in anything. You said yourself you were concerned only a few days ago now. Were you wallowing?
All I see is what’s been happening since the end of the play-offs last season and, you tell me, where is the evidence for anyone to trust what we, as a Club, have done since? Excepting the appointment of DM as manager. He has been the only appointment we’ve made. And I went on record, at the time, to express my joy that we’d managed to secure him. But I did say that we must back him, and we’ve barely done that. Yes, we’ve got loanees coming out of our ears, but in the summer they will be long gone and we start again!
Here we are, nearly into February and no striker in the team. JM left last summer! The frustration is palpable. That’s what it is - total and utter frustration.
Have I made the types of comments that you react to? I was concerned yes and I understand the frustration but the we don’t have any money the squad is being dismantled type of posts that are being made are way over the top, the Club wants championship football it sees it as the best way of becoming self supporting, why would they not invest in the squad? The delay in signings isn’t the board, SM has more than once stated the reason but due to some people’s issues with him he shouldn’t be believed and the conspiracy theorists should?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/two-done-deals-and-ben-whiteman-latest-darren-moore-provides-transfer-update-league-one-gossip-1373291
Today's click bait.
Sunderland continue to be interested in anyone with a pulse.
DM will leave others to search for signings? That's not what he said btw!
DRFC have no interest in selling BW. True, we don't unless.....
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DVR, nobody is wallowing in anything. You said yourself you were concerned only a few days ago now. Were you wallowing?
All I see is what’s been happening since the end of the play-offs last season and, you tell me, where is the evidence for anyone to trust what we, as a Club, have done since? Excepting the appointment of DM as manager. He has been the only appointment we’ve made. And I went on record, at the time, to express my joy that we’d managed to secure him. But I did say that we must back him, and we’ve barely done that. Yes, we’ve got loanees coming out of our ears, but in the summer they will be long gone and we start again!
Here we are, nearly into February and no striker in the team. JM left last summer! The frustration is palpable. That’s what it is - total and utter frustration.
Alan, I really don't think we can say the manager hasn't been backed, money hasn't yet been spent that is certainly true to say but. On the basis that DM is working to his squad building strategy which is the most reliable insight any of us has then he has a pot of money to spend and he's determined to do the very best with it.
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Delighted to add one in for Rovers now!
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Blackpool have signed kirenan dewsbury hall on loan from Leicester
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Blackpool could be dark horses in the run-in. They have made quite a few good signings this month.
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Blackpool could be dark horses in the run-in. They have made quite a few good signings this month.
Or even dark donkeys :whistle: ...... with them being near the seaside
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Just updated this as of this morning. At the time of writing, there have been 55 transfers for the 23 clubs - 36 loans, 10 for undisclosed fees, 5 free transfers, 3 unattached signings and 1 disclosed fee (£500k for Peterborough). 3 clubs - Accrington, Coventry & Southend - haven't made any moves yet. Will be interesting to see whether that changes and how many other moves will be made over the next few hours.
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Blackpool busy again - the first of 3 new signings completed - a right back from Reading.
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Well done to Luke Matheson of Rochdale currently have his medical at Wolves.
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A couple of possible signings that could have a major impact on one of our competitors:
From the BBC:
Brentford are close to the double signing of Tarique Fosu Henry and Shandon Baptiste from Oxford United.
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Matheson for 1M but 3M for McCallum, I don’t get it.
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Well done to Luke Matheson of Rochdale currently have his medical at Wolves.
It’s a great move for him that he’s going there as he will get a decent chance of getting first team football in the next few years. At a top 6 club he would just stay in under 23s for next 5 years.... Good for Rochdale to make a few quid too as usually decent kids get pinched by prem clubs for a pittance
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Kazaiah Sterling gone on loan to Leyton Orient.