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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on January 09, 2020, 12:11:42 pm
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It’s presser day, whats the buzz phrase today folks, I’m going for “the hardest bit is getting them over the line”
Preceded by “everyone is working very hard trying to get bodies in”
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I hope we get some in today
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“Phone hasn’t stopped ringing”
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It’s presser day, whats the buzz phrase today folks, I’m going for “the hardest bit is getting them over the line”
Preceded by “everyone is working very hard trying to get bodies in”
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Would it be feasible to broadcast live ?
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"can't find a pen"
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Some predictions.
1. We will get very few people in during the window and will most / all be loans.
2. Plenty of folks will spontaneously self-combust.
3. We will continue with our good form despite this.
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I reckon DM might say "Will somebody calm that Cameron Rowe down...."
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Some predictions.
1. We will get very few people in during the window and will most / all be loans.
2. Plenty of folks will spontaneously self-combust.
3. We will continue with our good form despite this.
4. Several of our existing players will sign extended contracts.
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The targets have been spotted. The club is now working to get the deal’s done.
To be fair to Darren Moore he fronts up to the interviews but, having identified the targets, it’s largely out of his hands now so he’s answering questions on matters outside of his control.
Similarly with contract renewals. I think it was stated a while back that priority deals were / are Whiteman, Anderson, Sadlier and Coppinger? DM states who he wants to keep and then the club enters into negotiation over a suitable package. So far we have managed to agree two of them and hopefully there’s more good news to come.
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Who has the pen ??
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Not on our radar
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Theres ‘irons in the fire’
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Yes it is the hardest part and I think we would be better off concentrating on getting in two top drawer loanees this January .Otherwise the game is ‘who is prepared to feed the agent ‘month .
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The targets have been spotted. The club is now working to get the deal’s done.
To be fair to Darren Moore he fronts up to the interviews but, having identified the targets, it’s largely out of his hands now so he’s answering questions on matters outside of his control.
Similarly with contract renewals. I think it was stated a while back that priority deals were / are Whiteman, Anderson, Sadlier and Coppinger? DM states who he wants to keep and then the club enters into negotiation over a suitable package. So far we have managed to agree two of them and hopefully there’s more good news to come.
Indeed..
Also, and what often gets missed, is that matters are often beyond the club’s control, never mind the manager’s..
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Why is it only half a dozen of us or so can see the big picture. ;)
CBcb got it spot on with his last post. :thumbsup:
Oh if it is more than half a dozen or so, my apologies.
No names so i can’t get myself into trouble hopefully. :facepalm:
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Yes it is the hardest part and I think we would be better off concentrating on getting in two top drawer loanees this January .Otherwise the game is ‘who is prepared to feed the agent ‘month .
I see your point, Brian. But if we prioritise two loanees ahead of renewing existing contracts or bringing in permanently contracted players then it’s going to leave an absolutely huge task for the summer. I’m not sure we can keep that up sustainably every year.
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I wonder how many times over the years that players have regretted following an agents advise and missing out on a beneficial career move to stagnate elsewhere on a bit more money. The agent left happy though because he got his wedge.
Wasn't it reported that Willie McKay got about £600,000 as his cut for Joey Barton going to QPR?
We then not only the pleasure of beating QPR's stars but Richie Wellens winning his running battle with Barton on field. Another game where on looking at the pre-match squads nobody gave us a chance. Including me.😳
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It’s presser day, whats the buzz phrase today folks, I’m going for “the hardest bit is getting them over the line”
Preceded by “everyone is working very hard trying to get bodies in”
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to a man we are working flat out.
Its not the identifying the targets thats the problem..
Everyone concerned with the club are working every waking hour!
We jest of course, but DMs recent interviews have been so much better in recent weeks, he seems to be relaxing more with the radio sheff guys...
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I think we will offer contracts to those DM believes will deliver .Copps ..both parties may wait till later ..Matty ..needs to prove his comeback is secure ....Sadlier needs to show consistency and show his belief in himself and in DM ..Jo Wright as per Sadlier .
DM has his own values which I consider to fit DRFC long term unlike GM.
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Some predictions.
1. We will get very few people in during the window and will most / all be loans.
2. Plenty of folks will spontaneously self-combust.
3. We will continue with our good form despite this.
agree with your points 1 & 2.
slight amendment required to point 3 as follows.
3. We will continue with our good form despite this (if our starting 11 suffer no injuries/suspensions/loss of form).
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“ we’re trying but the hardest part is getting them over the line “
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
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Rekeem harper signing from West Brom today apparently
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Don’t believe what you read on twitter!
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Our squad is far too light currently. If we were to pick up a couple more injuries we really are struggling. I don’t agree that we have plenty of young players knocking on the door. The reason their on the bench is because we don’t have anyone else. We already have 4 loans so don’t see the point of signing a couple more, we just need 1 loan and 2 or 3 permanent ones.... were in a very good position considering our squad size and the fact we have no goal scorers. Strengthen this window with a few quality players and we have a very good chance of finishing top 6
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Why is it only half a dozen of us or so can see the big picture. ;)
CBcb got it spot on with his last post. :thumbsup:
Oh if it is more than half a dozen or so, my apologies.
No names so i can’t get myself into trouble hopefully. :facepalm:
There we go again.. your visionary bigger picture...
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Rekeem harper signing from West Brom today apparently
Believe it when I see it. Saw the guy on Twitter posting that, just one of those rumour accounts though. Would be a good signing but almost certainly another loan.
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It’s painfully obvious we need re-inforcements, let alone the glaringly obvious need for a striker. I’d have thought that we would have signed, at least, 2 by now. But it just isn’t happening. Pressure is on GB right now.
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We have let two loanees go so in theory we could take 2 more, even though not all could play at the same time.
At some point, young players do need to feature otherwise how do they progress ever.?
That said, I believe we should be looking at 3 signings (more if possible) in this window.
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It’s painfully obvious we need re-inforcements, let alone the glaringly obvious need for a striker. I’d have thought that we would have signed, at least, 2 by now. But it just isn’t happening. Pressure is on GB right now.
DMs update in the DFP website (yesterday?) clearly acknowledges the need for incoming players.. the club will be well aware of this..
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Surely, IDM, you’re not suggesting utilising our u23 lads to get us in the top 6?
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I really don't think it's worth anyone getting uptight about. I know fans are curious but DM seems to be after the same reinforcements that we've speculated about so there's nothing else we can do other than be patient.
I'm sure DM will be prepared to wait as long as he get's his primary target(s). Given we didn't succeed in the summer in acquiring that major part of the jigsaw, I'm sure that will make him more determined to succeed in this window.
And how do you come to that conclusion Alan that pressure in on GB?
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Not them alone Alan, no I am not..
But my point was that at some point, the best of that group will be ready for the first team even if from the bench - like Watters recently..
Definitely not suggesting we rely on that crop of players instead of signings..
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“Were not spending Darren, not this time.
You can try your bestttt
But we can’t get them over the line.”
Get Signings Done
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I really don't think it's worth anyone getting uptight about. I know fans are curious but DM seems to be after the same reinforcements that we've speculated about so there's nothing else we can do other than be patient.
I'm sure DM will be prepared to wait as long as he get's his primary target(s). Given we didn't succeed in the summer in acquiring that major part of the jigsaw, I'm sure that will make him more determined to succeed in this window.
And how do you come to that conclusion Alan that pressure in on GB?
Isn't it GB's job to get transfers over the line?
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I really don't think it's worth anyone getting uptight about. I know fans are curious but DM seems to be after the same reinforcements that we've speculated about so there's nothing else we can do other than be patient.
I'm sure DM will be prepared to wait as long as he get's his primary target(s). Given we didn't succeed in the summer in acquiring that major part of the jigsaw, I'm sure that will make him more determined to succeed in this window.
And how do you come to that conclusion Alan that pressure in on GB?
Isn't it GB's job to get transfers over the line?
It'll be him and David Blunt.
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No matter what our respective wants and opinions are, the fact remains that we’re in a good position in the table and we do have a genuine opportunity to challenge for promotion this season. But that will not be possible without reinforcements. Not because the current first eleven aren’t good enough, but because you cannot possibly play the second half of the season on the assumption that we won’t suffer any injuries, suspensions or loss of form.
If we strengthen then we increase our chances of achieving something this season. If we don’t then we make it very difficult if not impossible.
There are 3 weeks left of the window so there’s no immediate panic. But, given that we had 4 months to prepare for this window, I think people can be forgiven for thinking we might have hit the ground running. Clearly that hasn’t been the case and we’re still working to secure targets.
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I really don't think it's worth anyone getting uptight about. I know fans are curious but DM seems to be after the same reinforcements that we've speculated about so there's nothing else we can do other than be patient.
I'm sure DM will be prepared to wait as long as he get's his primary target(s). Given we didn't succeed in the summer in acquiring that major part of the jigsaw, I'm sure that will make him more determined to succeed in this window.
And how do you come to that conclusion Alan that pressure in on GB?
Isn't it GB's job to get transfers over the line?
I really don't think it's worth anyone getting uptight about. I know fans are curious but DM seems to be after the same reinforcements that we've speculated about so there's nothing else we can do other than be patient.
I'm sure DM will be prepared to wait as long as he get's his primary target(s). Given we didn't succeed in the summer in acquiring that major part of the jigsaw, I'm sure that will make him more determined to succeed in this window.
And how do you come to that conclusion Alan that pressure in on GB?
Isn't it GB's job to get transfers over the line?
It'll be him and David Blunt.
Hasn't he been a bit of a road block in the past?
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I'm sure, and I would really hope it's a shared responsibility and any potential deal will be treated on merit. Sometimes a deciding factor can be the manager giving a player further assurance, showing he's keen to get him etc. I would guess there's plenty of dialogue both ways and deals on hold for various reasons.
I would be shocked if DM, just sits back and let GB and DB bring each negotiation to a conclusion without further consultation.
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No matter what our respective wants and opinions are, the fact remains that we’re in a good position in the table and we do have a genuine opportunity to challenge for promotion this season. But that will not be possible without reinforcements. Not because the current first eleven aren’t good enough, but because you cannot possibly play the second half of the season on the assumption that we won’t suffer any injuries, suspensions or loss of form.
If we strengthen then we increase our chances of achieving something this season. If we don’t then we make it very difficult if not impossible.
There are 3 weeks left of the window so there’s no immediate panic. But, given that we had 4 months to prepare for this window, I think people can be forgiven for thinking we might have hit the ground running. Clearly that hasn’t been the case and we’re still working to secure targets.
Broadly agree Jonathan but are you seriously suggesting they haven:t done any groundwork prior to the window?
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I believe plenty of ground work has been done and also our competitors for signatures but comes down now to the nitty gritty whether loan or permanent and we appear to take time in getting that done or not.
In the last interview after Tuesday game DM said targets had been identified now comes the hard work to get them over the line.
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DBR, not ignoring you, but your earlier question to me was answered.
DM identifies and makes the initial contact, but the tricky part falls on GB’s shoulders and, as far as I know, it’s been like that for some time.
Like Jonathan says, we’ve all known what the situation was/is and this is why I would have thought we would have been pro-active in getting our targets in early, before anyone else gets in and scuppers our chances. The longer this window goes on with no news on incomings, the more I wonder whether we’re going to left with planZ!
Looks likeOxford are going to complete signing No. 3 today - the Bristol City lad we were rumoured to be interested in. Correction, it’s Marcus Browne, from Middlesbrough. :s
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very cpositive situation.
Why should the summer be any different than last as these loans are returned to sender , so more will follow and the odd signing bolster the contracted players untill we reap the results of penny pinching and making do . We can not afford to go up with all that entails or get relegated to L2 . So L1 is our home until we trip over the next bunch of kids like Rankin Brevitt or Snodin’s . It’s fun waiting tho ‘ !
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No matter what our respective wants and opinions are, the fact remains that we’re in a good position in the table and we do have a genuine opportunity to challenge for promotion this season. But that will not be possible without reinforcements. Not because the current first eleven aren’t good enough, but because you cannot possibly play the second half of the season on the assumption that we won’t suffer any injuries, suspensions or loss of form.
If we strengthen then we increase our chances of achieving something this season. If we don’t then we make it very difficult if not impossible.
There are 3 weeks left of the window so there’s no immediate panic. But, given that we had 4 months to prepare for this window, I think people can be forgiven for thinking we might have hit the ground running. Clearly that hasn’t been the case and we’re still working to secure targets.
Broadly agree Jonathan but are you seriously suggesting they haven:t done any groundwork prior to the window?
No I’m not suggesting that no groundwork has been done. I’m just highlighting that, although there’s still plenty of time left, progress continues to be slower than hoped.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very cpositive situation.
Why should the summer be any different than last as these loans are returned to sender , so more will follow and the odd signing bolster the contracted players untill we reap the results of penny pinching and making do . We can not afford to go up with all that entails or get relegated to L2 . So L1 is our home until we trip over the next bunch of kids like Rankin Brevitt or Snodin’s . It’s fun waiting tho ‘ !
Summer will be hugely different if we don’t swap managers halfway through the window.!
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In the summer the news on here was that the club were making a stance on the amount of money paid to agents for doing a deal. The word was that we are willing to pay a player more money, but he has to deal with his agent.
I myself agree with this stance, and it may be the reason we are not able to go out and sign players as easily as other clubs willing to give untold riches to middle men.
I have no evidence whether any of this is at all true, just what I read either on here or elsewhere, but if it is true I fully support the club in their stance, and wish that other clubs would do the same thing, and stop money leaving the game in this manner.
I have no doubt there will be good and bad agents, some will have their players best interest at heart, others will be all for themselves, but it is time the football authorities cleaned the business up.
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Why is it only half a dozen of us or so can see the big picture. ;)
CBcb got it spot on with his last post. :thumbsup:
Oh if it is more than half a dozen or so, my apologies.
No names so i can’t get myself into trouble hopefully. :facepalm:
There we go again.. your visionary bigger picture...
You stew in your world then & i will stick to mine.
If your happy talking up the negatives then that’s up to you.
If you don’t have a vision then life becomes very mundane and that’s very true in business and in the world of football and sport in general.
I believe we have visionaries running DRFC and they have a plan to carry it out.
This Club is being built on solid foundations and that’s going give the opportunity for the club to have a very successful future.
If you want to believe otherwise that’s your choice but don’t criticise me and others for being up beat about the football club we are proud to support.
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To be fair, any news from the usual Thursday presser is rather late, could this mean we could have good news today?
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Any signings now this late in the week would only go to muddy the waters for picking the team for the weekend if we have no injuries, surely like on Tuesday the same team will start the game if at all possible.
So where would a new signing fit, on the bench most probably, because unless he has trained with us already tomorrow will be a travelling day for the team, so very little time to assimilate anyone and they would have to play completely off the cuff.
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Any signings now this late in the week would only go to muddy the waters for picking the team for the weekend if we have no injuries, surely like on Tuesday the same team will start the game if at all possible.
So where would a new signing fit, on the bench most probably, because unless he has trained with us already tomorrow will be a travelling day for the team, so very little time to assimilate anyone and they would have to play completely off the cuff.
That hasn’t stopped other league 1 clubs signing players today but let’s wait and see if we can get anybody in.
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Steve, what other clubs do I have no interest at all to be honest, and would be more than happy for us to make a signing, but only if it in no way deflects the management and team from the most important thing of concentrating on winning our next fixture on Saturday.
It is so easy to do with local media attention etc. if it happens it happens, but at this late time in the time scale to our next match, and the form shown in the last few games, I don't see a need to hurry anything.
The players who have left have taken very little part over the holiday period in games, and if the squad who played Tuesday are available with no injuries how are we any worse off apart from our supporters impatience.
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In the summer the news on here was that the club were making a stance on the amount of money paid to agents for doing a deal. The word was that we are willing to pay a player more money, but he has to deal with his agent.
I myself agree with this stance, and it may be the reason we are not able to go out and sign players as easily as other clubs willing to give untold riches to middle men.
I have no evidence whether any of this is at all true, just what I read either on here or elsewhere, but if it is true I fully support the club in their stance, and wish that other clubs would do the same thing, and stop money leaving the game in this manner.
I have no doubt there will be good and bad agents, some will have their players best interest at heart, others will be all for themselves, but it is time the football authorities cleaned the business up.
That's been the case for a while Selby, that we restrict the amount of money we are prepared to pay agents.
The sums I've seen mentioned for various deals in our league can be frightening.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
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All this speculation is unhealthy and helping no one.
It's not safe or right to assume anything.
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But Moore himself has stated each day this week that it could be today or tomorrow
So deals seem to be getting far down the line but then falling through
This happened in the summer and it’s happening again.
There has to be a reason why
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Do we know that deals under discussion now have fallen through, or just not yet done.?
Sorry if that sounds pedantic but there is a difference.. then you have things like the Idah situation being beyond our control.
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No we don’t
But In the summer deals fell through for whatever reason, and now we’re almost 10 days into the window and haven’t concluded a deal yet.
And after the summer you’d have hoped we’d have deals lined up just waiting to be announced
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It just gets me that other teams can get players over the line but we can't. Is it we are aiming too high or is it we don't give agent a big enough cut or is it we are not paying enough wages, I don't know but there is surely a a miss
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In the summer the news on here was that the club were making a stance on the amount of money paid to agents for doing a deal. The word was that we are willing to pay a player more money, but he has to deal with his agent.
I myself agree with this stance, and it may be the reason we are not able to go out and sign players as easily as other clubs willing to give untold riches to middle men.
I have no evidence whether any of this is at all true, just what I read either on here or elsewhere, but if it is true I fully support the club in their stance, and wish that other clubs would do the same thing, and stop money leaving the game in this manner.
I have no doubt there will be good and bad agents, some will have their players best interest at heart, others will be all for themselves, but it is time the football authorities cleaned the business up.
That's been the case for a while Selby, that we restrict the amount of money we are prepared to pay agents.
The sums I've seen mentioned for various deals in our league can be frightening.
But that’s football and if you don’t pay the fees you don’t get the players.
It’s pretty obvious that isn’t it looking at our incomings.
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Question do you have to pay agents if we are bringing in players on loan?
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Yes I'm sure we do everything goes through the agents and the club
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It just gets me that other teams can get players over the line but we can't. Is it we are aiming too high or is it we don't give agent a big enough cut or is it we are not paying enough wages, I don't know but there is surely a a miss
Good point Dave. I suspect it's a combination of all those things.
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Can see levels of criticism building up here and knives being sharpened.
Do you really expect the club to tell us about every deal in the offing, their progress and reasons they may fall through?
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Hang on a minute. Your making things up again that i supposedly have said.
1) When did i say we could finish in the top 2. You keep changing the position i said we would finish.
Pre season i said top 6 Still saying top 6
Anyone COULD finish top 2 of course but i never said i thought we would. Never.
2) When did i say we don’t need any new players. I have just said that we do. But not any old players. Rather stick with what we have got than bring in the wrong ones. I said I would rather wait until the summer if the Right ones are not available now.
3) When did I say i would be happy with a mid table finish. Never said that.
What i said was if we don’t get promoted this season it is not a disaster as we will be much stronger next season and would be better equipped for the Championship.
If you have the evidence i said any of those things please show me and i will apologise to you.
Who says we can’t sign players DM wants now. We have 22 more days. I will tell you what the problem is and you have already been told.
1) Not many available to buy on a permanent. Those that are want silly wages. DRFC won’t pay inflated wages.
2) Greedy Agents. DRFC will not pay silly money to 3rd parties
Now sit tight and wait. All this getting into a stew because of no sign of a new body coming in is getting a bit daft don’t you think.
If we were sliding down towards a relegation place i could understand your concern but in our current form and league position it’s totally unjustified.
All the above is just my opinion ok. :that:
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Just listened to the Radio Sheffield interview, it’s groundhog day with all the cliche’s in there,
Getting them over the line
Crying over spilt milk
Blah blah blah!
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1) Not many available to buy on a permanent. Those that are want silly wages. DRFC won’t pay inflated wages.
2) Greedy Agents. DRFC will not pay silly money to 3rd parties
But those points do not change for good players in any window. You just have more lower level players available in summer.
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Just listened to the Radio Sheffield interview, it’s groundhog day with all the cliche’s in there,
Getting them over the line
Crying over spilt milk
Blah blah blah!
What do you want him to say? What would you say Filo?
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1) Not many available to buy on a permanent. Those that are want silly wages. DRFC won’t pay inflated wages.
2) Greedy Agents. DRFC will not pay silly money to 3rd parties
But those points do not change for good players in any window. You just have more lower level players available in summer.
Dear me. With that attitude we can forget getting any proven quality permanent signings.
Not having a go, they can spend their money however they want. Is what it is!
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1) Not many available to buy on a permanent. Those that are want silly wages. DRFC won’t pay inflated wages.
2) Greedy Agents. DRFC will not pay silly money to 3rd parties
But those points do not change for good players in any window. You just have more lower level players available in summer.
Correct Steve.
So what DM will do is bring in loans which are more cost effective and look for bargain players which he can develop, coach and turn into what we need to get out of this league.
That’s what good managers and coaches do and they also bring lads through from the youth team /U23’s
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1) Not many available to buy on a permanent. Those that are want silly wages. DRFC won’t pay inflated wages.
2) Greedy Agents. DRFC will not pay silly money to 3rd parties
But those points do not change for good players in any window. You just have more lower level players available in summer.
Dear me. With that attitude we can forget getting any proven quality permanent signings.
Not having a go, they can spend their money however they want. Is what it is!
With that attitude. :zzz:
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Question do you have to pay agents if we are bringing in players on loan?
in answer to your question, I have just found out, not usually but sometimes we have
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Just listened to the Radio Sheffield interview, it’s groundhog day with all the cliche’s in there,
Getting them over the line
Crying over spilt milk
Blah blah blah!
What do you want him to say? What would you say Filo?
You know what, I don’t know what I would say, but that interview could have been one from the summer transfer window, all the soundbites and buzz phrases but nothing is happening, I can’t believe people are not concerned by the lack of activity, it’s plain to see there is a problem somewhere with the recruitment strategy. Everyone is more or less in agreement, we have a decent starting 11 but zero back up, it’s worrying and frustrating
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Knowing the answers may be more frustrating than not knowing!
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Hope we have enough sedatives in stock at DRI to calm all the toddlers about to have tantrums at the end of the window.
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True but it is the answer lol
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Hope we have enough sedatives in stock at DRI to calm all the toddlers about to have tantrums at the end of the window.
Why do you say "at the end of the window" Chris? Are you not expecting any recruitment?
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No idea really. Could be 0, could be 1, could be 10. Either way I’m not going to lose any sleep over situation. Plenty sound like they are going to burst several blood vessels, arteries and aortas. Am sure we are seeking the best we can and if it does not come off, it does not come off. No point people getting tearful.
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In truth we will only get in what is worth getting in, I don't want DM bringing in players that are not up to the challenge, be has done that to give them a chance but that failed with Bingham Thomas and the lad from Luton
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I am not expecting anything to happen in this transfer window at all, we seem to have no other ambition other than to stay comfortable, making the fans have expectations but still produce some decent football with what we have, and come close enough to keep us all hoping that next season it will come good, and we do! Those who should want more and have the means to change things have no interest in us or our team particularly. So we keep hoping, and watching, and remembering.
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No idea really. Could be 0, could be 1, could be 10. Either way I’m not going to lose any sleep over situation. Plenty sound like they are going to burst several blood vessels, arteries and aortas. Am sure we are seeking the best we can and if it does not come off, it does not come off. No point people getting tearful.
do you believe that our current squad is good enough to achieve our target of reaching the play offs?
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Bored of this already ,glad I'm away for some winter sun on saturday
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If we win our games in hand we are in the play offs. Whoever is in the XI or the squad needs to deliver on that.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Hang on a minute. Your making things up again that i supposedly have said.
1) When did i say we could finish in the top 2. You keep changing the position i said we would finish.
Pre season i said top 6 Still saying top 6
Anyone COULD finish top 2 of course but i never said i thought we would. Never.
2) When did i say we don’t need any new players. I have just said that we do. But not any old players. Rather stick with what we have got than bring in the wrong ones. I said I would rather wait until the summer if the Right ones are not available now.
3) When did I say i would be happy with a mid table finish. Never said that.
What i said was if we don’t get promoted this season it is not a disaster as we will be much stronger next season and would be better equipped for the Championship.
If you have the evidence i said any of those things please show me and i will apologise to you.
Who says we can’t sign players DM wants now. We have 22 more days. I will tell you what the problem is and you have already been told.
1) Not many available to buy on a permanent. Those that are want silly wages. DRFC won’t pay inflated wages.
2) Greedy Agents. DRFC will not pay silly money to 3rd parties
Now sit tight and wait. All this getting into a stew because of no sign of a new body coming in is getting a bit daft don’t you think.
If we were sliding down towards a relegation place i could understand your concern but in our current form and league position it’s totally unjustified.
All the above is just my opinion ok. :that:
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Sorry yes, you’re right your prediction was top 3 not top 2.
2/ nobody is suggesting signing any old players, were suggesting signing players that Moore has targeted and wants to sign.
3/ if you’re happy settling with the squad as it is now then you’re settling for midtable
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Incidentally, talking of agents and fees, there's also the unsavoury world of bungs which are still prevalent in football. You only have to look at the reason Leeds sacked Gary Monk to know the proverbial brown envelope still lives. I think we have a good idea about certain managers/chairmen in the game who like a 'deal'. Offshore accounts etc etc.
I had dealings with a 'scout' who works directly and indirectly for a prominent football manager. Basically he was acting as an unlicensed agent and receiving bungs for services rendered, and I'm don't mean for his scouting for which he was being paid a pittance.
Anyway, just saying there are some unethical people in the game and it's hardly surprising with the amount of money swimming about in the game. There's alot of back scratching going on and it strikes me our club are less likely to tread in that murky world.
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If we win our games in hand we are in the play offs. Whoever is in the XI or the squad needs to deliver on that.
Totally agree with that, and there's no doubt that our starting 11 is good enough to deliver on that.
However, the concern on here is injuries and suspensions, which this squad at the moment isn't strong enough to carry. If we don't recruit, we won't sustain a top 6 position. That's the reality.
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I personally think he is waiting for the right person to come in eg, if he wants player x but there club will only let them go out If they get some one in, in that scenario, so he will wait for that player
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January is littered with teams panic buying and paying over the odds for players. Without being disrespectful we grabbed a couple of forwards at the start of the season when time was running out. I would rather us not buy anyone if there not what we want rather than get a few bodies in that are not up to the standard we require and be lumbered with them on the wage bill for the next couple of seasons.
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Actually we do have a track record of getting people in
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All this talk about DM only bringing in the right players doesnt guarantee that the players he brings in WILL BE the right players.
He might eventually get someone in but of course they could turn out to be a flop.
Another scenario of course is that DM might wait......and wait......and wait......for the so called right player and then at the 11th hour the said player may decide to go elsewhere leaving us with no one, or another Bingham as a last resort.
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There are 92 clubs doing business in this window of which 9 of 31 days have elapsed .There are 92 forums a bleating for another 21 days .That’s the entertainment , a test of nerves , a test of patience,a test of faith in the club you support and especially a time for feeding the greedy agents .
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I don’t really get the relevance of the talk of panic buying. It couldn’t be any clearer that we’re not going to panic buy. Quite the opposite.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that we’ve clearly had time to plan, the targets have been identified, but there’s no evident sign of progress.
Portsmouth identified John Marquis, our top scorer who we wanted to keep. Cheltenham identified Alfie May, a player that was under contract and formed part of our matchday squad nearly all season. They struck the deals when they wanted the players and made their respective progress. It may be that we’ve identified players that clubs want to keep, in fact I hope we have, but we don’t seem to have got anything in place. It’s not like the need to strengthen has come as a sudden surprise.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
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I trust DM more than I trust anyone on this forum to do what’s best for DRFC. I trust he’ll do what’s needed to bring in the right players. If he doesn’t bring anyone else in then it won’t be for the lack of trying.
Too many people panicking on here. Too many experts who think they know how to manage a football club.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
Blimey! Have you ever thought about joining the clubs Marketing Dept? :lol:
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
I'm not sure about that left over thing I think he is aiming to high
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I don’t really get the relevance of the talk of panic buying. It couldn’t be any clearer that we’re not going to panic buy. Quite the opposite.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that we’ve clearly had time to plan, the targets have been identified, but there’s no evident sign of progress.
Portsmouth identified John Marquis, our top scorer who we wanted to keep. Cheltenham identified Alfie May, a player that was under contract and formed part of our matchday squad nearly all season. They struck the deals when they wanted the players and made their respective progress. It may be that we’ve identified players that clubs want to keep, in fact I hope we have, but we don’t seem to have got anything in place. It’s not like the need to strengthen has come as a sudden surprise.
He’s scored 4 in 22 for them this season and they have fewer points per game than we have, so not sure the acquisition of Marquis by Portsmouth is perhaps the best example - especially as after buying him they have struggled to work out to use him. That is despite it being patently obvious he can only be used in a certain manner. Arguably for them a poor signing.
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That’s not the point Jonathon was making.
He’s talking about clubs targeting players and then going to get them. As lots have gone on to do already this window.
It’s a surprise we haven’t done any business after the poor recruitment in the summer. At the moment it’s 0 in and 3 out. From a squad that was already remarkably lightweight
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You’ve not quite understood. Moore takes his time to find the right player. Portsmouth moved quickly and got the guy they wanted or thought they wanted. Perhaps they would have been well served to spend a bit more time trying to understand what they were buying, because it clearly hasn’t worked out well for them so far. Moving quickly is not always as straightforward as it might appear to the impatient.
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That’s not the point Jonathon was making.
He’s talking about clubs targeting players and then going to get them. As lots have gone on to do already this window.
It’s a surprise we haven’t done any business after the poor recruitment in the summer. At the moment it’s 0 in and 3 out. From a squad that was already remarkably lightweight
Yes, that is a point you appear to have made on multiple occasions. Perhaps we can agree that we all understand that point, and that there is no need to keep repeating it? Or perhaps if you do feel very strongly about the recruitment policy, that you commit this to paper and send a short summary of your thoughts to Darren Moore, perhaps copying Gavin Baldwin and David Blunt? They might appreciate some input, who knows.
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We have a better manager than Portsmouth, and credit must go to the club for that.
The failure of the Portsmouth manager to make the best use of a very good striker is not the point that I was intending to make.
Darren Moore has identified his own targets. The next step is to get them through the door.
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I am 99% sure that by midnight on 31/01/20 we will have 2 new players.
I am 75% sure both will be loanees from the premier league.
DM knows we need at least 2 in. He is not stupid. Think he is waiting to see what Norwich are going to do first of all.
I also think we have first option on Hirst at Leicester due to Steve Beaglehole’s relationship with Rovers and DM.
So it might be one or other of those two and someone else, probably a midfielder.
Hey you never know we might get 3 in.
But we will get someone, that is a given as far as i am concerned.
It will happen.
Anyway Rovers will be under instruction from the Doncaster and Bassetlaw health authority to make sure there are signings.
DRI simply would not be able to cope with all the high blood pressure victims in casualty on 1st Feb if there are no newcomers to the squad. :headbang:
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We have a better manager than Portsmouth, and credit must go to the club for that.
The failure of the Portsmouth manager to make the best use of a very good striker is not the point that I was intending to make.
Darren Moore has identified his own targets. The next step is to get them through the door.
Soo glad you said through the door!
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DM has done a brilliant job to be where we are with more or less a scratch team and a skinny squad
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I am 99% sure that by midnight on 31/01/20 we will have 2 new players.
I am 75% sure both will be loanees from the premier league.
DM knows we need at least 2 in. He is not stupid. Think he is waiting to see what Norwich are going to do first of all.
I also think we have first option on Hirst at Leicester due to Steve Beaglehole’s relationship with Rovers and DM.
So it might be one or other of those two and someone else, probably a midfielder.
Hey you never know we might get 3 in.
But we will get someone, that is a given as far as i am concerned.
It will happen.
Anyway Rovers will be under instruction from the Doncaster and Bassetlaw health authority to make sure there are signings. DRI simply would not be able to cope with all the high blood pressure victims in casualty on 1st Feb if there are no newcomers to the squad. :headbang:
Will anybody else be leaving, Campsall?
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Well we have already had players through the door only thing is it's the wrong way
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We have four games before then. 3 players have left.
Our strongest 11 is good, any injuries and the strength of our starting 11 drops significantly as showed when ennis was injured.
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That’s not the point Jonathon was making.
He’s talking about clubs targeting players and then going to get them. As lots have gone on to do already this window.
It’s a surprise we haven’t done any business after the poor recruitment in the summer. At the moment it’s 0 in and 3 out. From a squad that was already remarkably lightweight
4 out - May, Sterling, Daniels and Thomas
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You’ve not quite understood. Moore takes his time to find the right player. Portsmouth moved quickly and got the guy they wanted or thought they wanted. Perhaps they would have been well served to spend a bit more time trying to understand what they were buying, because it clearly hasn’t worked out well for them so far. Moving quickly is not always as straightforward as it might appear to the impatient.
I understood but your reply to Jonathon wasn’t relevant.
Whether a player succeeds or not has nothing to do with what he was pointing out to you
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Listen to Radio Sheffield interview targets have been identified, their clubs and managers have been spoken to. The club is working hard to get the players he wants in but there are competition from other clubs. But there are multiple offers in so it’s not about 1 or 2 players and waiting for them.
Also offer made to Kieran Sadlier his representatives are dealing with that, still awaiting decision but he wants him to stay. So we wait to see what happens they are players that will improve the team according to DM.
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In the summer the news on here was that the club were making a stance on the amount of money paid to agents for doing a deal. The word was that we are willing to pay a player more money, but he has to deal with his agent.
I myself agree with this stance, and it may be the reason we are not able to go out and sign players as easily as other clubs willing to give untold riches to middle men.
I have no evidence whether any of this is at all true, just what I read either on here or elsewhere, but if it is true I fully support the club in their stance, and wish that other clubs would do the same thing, and stop money leaving the game in this manner.
I have no doubt there will be good and bad agents, some will have their players best interest at heart, others will be all for themselves, but it is time the football authorities cleaned the business up.
That's been the case for a while Selby, that we restrict the amount of money we are prepared to pay agents.
The sums I've seen mentioned for various deals in our league can be frightening.
But that’s football and if you don’t pay the fees you don’t get the players.
It’s pretty obvious that isn’t it looking at our incomings.
Nope. I knew somebody would attempt to justify my statement as to the reason we haven't signed anybody. But that's not the case.
When I'm talking about stupid money I'm in the region of 6 figure sums just for the agent!! And no EFL 1 clubs will be paying that.
It takes patience. We have to take our time unless we wish to be fleeced.
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I am 99% sure that by midnight on 31/01/20 we will have 2 new players.
I am 75% sure both will be loanees from the premier league.
DM knows we need at least 2 in. He is not stupid. Think he is waiting to see what Norwich are going to do first of all.
I also think we have first option on Hirst at Leicester due to Steve Beaglehole’s relationship with Rovers and DM.
So it might be one or other of those two and someone else, probably a midfielder.
Hey you never know we might get 3 in.
But we will get someone, that is a given as far as i am concerned.
It will happen.
Anyway Rovers will be under instruction from the Doncaster and Bassetlaw health authority to make sure there are signings. DRI simply would not be able to cope with all the high blood pressure victims in casualty on 1st Feb if there are no newcomers to the squad. :headbang:
Will anybody else be leaving, Campsall?
I know no more than you Johnathan. What i said is just my opinion & I have no inner knowledge.
Do you think what i said is likely or do you think i am i talking gibberish?
No i don’t think anyone else will be leaving.
Matty Blair coming back from injury will be like having a new player. :thumbsup:
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We got one over the line but we couldn't find the pen and he signed with a pencil two minutes after he had signed his agent got a phone call and rubbed his signature out :s :chair:
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Just listened to the Radio Sheffield interview, it’s groundhog day with all the cliche’s in there,
Getting them over the line
Crying over spilt milk
Blah blah blah!
What do you want him to say? What would you say Filo?
You know what, I don’t know what I would say, but that interview could have been one from the summer transfer window, all the soundbites and buzz phrases but nothing is happening, I can’t believe people are not concerned by the lack of activity, it’s plain to see there is a problem somewhere with the recruitment strategy. Everyone is more or less in agreement, we have a decent starting 11 but zero back up, it’s worrying and frustrating
Your reaction is incredible. Concerned?? Not in the slightest.
Problems with recruitment? How do you work that one out? DM is a stubborn mule, I'll give him that, but problems? The only problem is it's never as simple as people seem to think it is.
Worrying and frustrating? Oh dear.
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That’s not the point Jonathon was making.
He’s talking about clubs targeting players and then going to get them. As lots have gone on to do already this window.
It’s a surprise we haven’t done any business after the poor recruitment in the summer. At the moment it’s 0 in and 3 out. From a squad that was already remarkably lightweight
4 out - May, Sterling, Daniels and Thomas
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We’re doomed then.
Seriously are we going to miss any of them.? Answer is no. Not one of those players has had a major impact on a game this season with an assist or goal.
Oh yes they have Thomas 3 goals. Sterling 1 assist.
May absolutely no end product just hard work running around looking busy.
Daniels some solid performances but 4 costly tackles conceding penalties costing us points.
So we won’t miss any of them and they will all be replaced with better players in the summer.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
This post is just full of absolute tosh!
Not a single sentence has any credibility at all.
You do realise that you're criticising the very people who funded all our success in recent years?
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I don’t really get the relevance of the talk of panic buying. It couldn’t be any clearer that we’re not going to panic buy. Quite the opposite.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that we’ve clearly had time to plan, the targets have been identified, but there’s no evident sign of progress.
Portsmouth identified John Marquis, our top scorer who we wanted to keep. Cheltenham identified Alfie May, a player that was under contract and formed part of our matchday squad nearly all season. They struck the deals when they wanted the players and made their respective progress. It may be that we’ve identified players that clubs want to keep, in fact I hope we have, but we don’t seem to have got anything in place. It’s not like the need to strengthen has come as a sudden surprise.
Jonathan,
I agree with your first point, but not your second. Yes targets have been identified, and progress has been made. You're not suggesting that progress wasn't made with Norwich as an example?
I fail to see how the Marquis and May situations reflect on the business we are currently trying to do. I struggle to see the point you're making there.
As an aside, something I've mentioned on previous occasions, Darren won't be rushed into doing something just for the sake of it. He knows who he wants, we'll just have to be patient whilst the parent clubs make their moves too.
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That’s not the point Jonathon was making.
He’s talking about clubs targeting players and then going to get them. As lots have gone on to do already this window.
It’s a surprise we haven’t done any business after the poor recruitment in the summer. At the moment it’s 0 in and 3 out. From a squad that was already remarkably lightweight
4 out - May, Sterling, Daniels and Thomas
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We’re doomed then.
Seriously are we going to miss any of them.? Answer is no. Not one of those players has had a major impact on a game this season with an assist or goal.
Oh yes they have Thomas 3 goals. Sterling 1 assist.
May absolutely no end product just hard work running around looking busy.
Daniels some solid performances but 4 costly tackles conceding penalties costing us points.
So we won’t miss any of them and they will all be replaced with better players in the summer.
You do seem to constantly miss the point.
You need a squad, strength in depth, it’s irrelevant if they’ve not done much in your opinion.
They were all good squad players, even Thomas is better than nobody.
We had a bit of cover for positions in case someone got injured, now we have very little cover
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I don’t really get the relevance of the talk of panic buying. It couldn’t be any clearer that we’re not going to panic buy. Quite the opposite.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that we’ve clearly had time to plan, the targets have been identified, but there’s no evident sign of progress.
Portsmouth identified John Marquis, our top scorer who we wanted to keep. Cheltenham identified Alfie May, a player that was under contract and formed part of our matchday squad nearly all season. They struck the deals when they wanted the players and made their respective progress. It may be that we’ve identified players that clubs want to keep, in fact I hope we have, but we don’t seem to have got anything in place. It’s not like the need to strengthen has come as a sudden surprise.
Jonathan,
I agree with your first point, but not your second. Yes targets have been identified, and progress has been made. You're not suggesting that progress wasn't made with Norwich as an example?
I fail to see how the Marquis and May situations reflect on the business we are currently trying to do. I struggle to see the point you're making there.
As an aside, something I've mentioned on previous occasions, Darren won't be rushed into doing something just for the sake of it. He knows who he wants, we'll just have to be patient whilst the parent clubs make their moves too.
By the same token though, why couldn’t we make Cheltenham be patient while we made our moves?
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Two days ago Dickos you were telling us Thomas and Bingham must go.
Make your mind up.
So your happy with anyone just so we have got the numbers.
Brilliant.
Pleased DM is the manager & not you.
I know we need some more bodies, how many times do i have to tell you i agree with you.
He will get them.
Most transfers in Jan are done in the last week.
We will be no different to most clubs.
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Anyone?
We have people earning lots of money identifying good players for us to sign. Why on earth would we just sign anyone?
Odd
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I don’t really get the relevance of the talk of panic buying. It couldn’t be any clearer that we’re not going to panic buy. Quite the opposite.
I think the confusion stems from the fact that we’ve clearly had time to plan, the targets have been identified, but there’s no evident sign of progress.
Portsmouth identified John Marquis, our top scorer who we wanted to keep. Cheltenham identified Alfie May, a player that was under contract and formed part of our matchday squad nearly all season. They struck the deals when they wanted the players and made their respective progress. It may be that we’ve identified players that clubs want to keep, in fact I hope we have, but we don’t seem to have got anything in place. It’s not like the need to strengthen has come as a sudden surprise.
Jonathan,
I agree with your first point, but not your second. Yes targets have been identified, and progress has been made. You're not suggesting that progress wasn't made with Norwich as an example?
I fail to see how the Marquis and May situations reflect on the business we are currently trying to do. I struggle to see the point you're making there.
As an aside, something I've mentioned on previous occasions, Darren won't be rushed into doing something just for the sake of it. He knows who he wants, we'll just have to be patient whilst the parent clubs make their moves too.
By the same token though, why couldn’t we make Cheltenham be patient while we made our moves?
I've already answered that one, do we have to go over it again, and again?
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Watters has been identified as a replacement for May.
Better player all round. 6 years younger.
DM can see it & that’s why Alfie has gone.
He obviously rates Blaney & Amos also and it’s going to be an oportunity for those two if we get any defensive injuries.
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Well I can't help you then. It's obvious those blinkers of yours don't let anything in.
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Anyone?
We have people earning lots of money identifying good players for us to sign. Why on earth would we just sign anyone?
Odd
Now your being really stupid.
Conversation ended. You just want to argue until the cows come home.
I am trying to have a grown up debate but it’s impossible.
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Surly It's a valid question.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
This post is just full of absolute tosh!
Not a single sentence has any credibility at all.
You do realise that you're criticising the very people who funded all our success in recent years?
I think you just like being obtuse , as for the very people who funded Success you mentioned , isn't it their job or the one they chose to do as they have the funds to do it . Yet here we are wondering why we still have no No: 9 after selling our last one for£1m plus OR have you not noticed the amount of loans we have had to take in and are still looking for others . DM is platting with saw dust and making as good a job of it. We will stay up again thanks to him and his little book of players and as his reward he could well go like the last two before him , to a club where they want to invest cash into its team and trust the manager to spend it wisely .
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
This post is just full of absolute tosh!
Not a single sentence has any credibility at all.
You do realise that you're criticising the very people who funded all our success in recent years?
I think you just like being obtuse , as for the very people who funded Success you mentioned , isn't it their job or the one they chose to do as they have the funds to do it . Yet here we are wondering why we still have no No: 9 after selling our last one for£1m plus OR have you not noticed the amount of loans we have had to take in and are still looking for others . DM is platting with saw dust and making as good a job of it. We will stay up again thanks to him and his little book of players and as his reward he could well go like the last two before him , to a club where they want to invest cash into its team and trust the manager to spend it wisely .
And I'm the one being obtuse??
Weird.
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
We sold May because he was not good enough , everyone love a trier, getting a fee was good business for a player that we was going to release anyway in the summer.
if we end mid table this year but Moore and gets the players he wants in ,in the next 6 months i will be happy as he looking young talent he can coach and excite us as fans and win promotion
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I can see us requiring yet another manager, come the summer, if this is the best we can do with squad strengthening.
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I can see us requiring yet another manager, come the summer, if this is the best we can do with squad strengthening.
You need to explain your thinking on that one Alan.
I certainly don't see why, he loves it here.
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Well I can't help you then. It's obvious those blinkers of yours don't let anything in.
It’s a valid question Martin.
If you can’t answer it then fine but no need for the clever smarmy comment
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Well I can't help you then. It's obvious those blinkers of yours don't let anything in.
It’s a valid question Martin.
If you can’t answer it then fine but no need for the clever smarmy comment
I have answered it though, hence the smarmy response.
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Personally I would rather wait until the summer and sign the players DM wants, rather than sign someone now just to make up the numbers.
It’s quality not quantity we need in the summer.
We have plenty of young players knocking on the door in Jones, Amos, Blaney, Greaves, Gomes, Watters etc. Plus the option of another few loanees to replace existing ones assuming we don’t keep any of the existing ones.
We need to sign Deing if possible or another quality keeper if he is not made available by QPR.
Another 2/3 permanent signings in the summer required.
No drastic transfer activity is required.
Couple of loanees now will do nicely thankyou.
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.
We are 2 points outside the play offs with 1/2 games in hand. That has been achieved with disruptions to our season and injuries to key players.
That is the reality of the situation. From where i am sat it’s a very positive situation.
Why can’t we sign players Moore wants now? Do you really think he’s targeted nobody for this window?
The squad was wafer thin a month ago, since then we’ve lost 3 players and you’re suggesting we don’t need players?
Moore has even stated himself we need bodies, you predicted earlier this season we could finish top two and now you’re resigning yourself to a midtable finish, because that is all we can hope for with no additions
Has no one noticed that the club has stagnated since we dropped out of the Championship because it nearly lost its backers their hard earned cash . John Ryan’s dream had been realised and it was NOT sustainable and the club fell to L2 before it stopped leaking money . Apart from Dickov who was sacked , every manager has left for money reasons and DM took the job knowing that he would have to keep a very tight grip on what the club spends , hence the loans . We are low supported club and they do not see this changing any time soon . 6-8k attendances isn’t going buy a 500k player or pay 10-15k week wages. And it would need this sort of changes to attract the players DM would like . DM isn’t getting the recognition he deserves for building a team with spirit if not absolute talent. Stop trying to second guess what will happen when history has already told us that we will get the left overs that no one else wants .
This post is just full of absolute tosh!
Not a single sentence has any credibility at all.
You do realise that you're criticising the very people who funded all our success in recent years?
I think you just like being obtuse , as for the very people who funded Success you mentioned , isn't it their job or the one they chose to do as they have the funds to do it . Yet here we are wondering why we still have no No: 9 after selling our last one for£1m plus OR have you not noticed the amount of loans we have had to take in and are still looking for others . DM is platting with saw dust and making as good a job of it. We will stay up again thanks to him and his little book of players and as his reward he could well go like the last two before him , to a club where they want to invest cash into its team and trust the manager to spend it wisely .
You don’t half talk some b*llocks..
We will stay up.?
Half way through the season and 2 points off the play offs with a game or two in hand on most..
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I can see us requiring yet another manager, come the summer, if this is the best we can do with squad strengthening.
Give DM the funds then criticise him after, but not for getting us within our target on a show string!
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I can see us requiring yet another manager, come the summer, if this is the best we can do with squad strengthening.
Give DM the funds then criticise him after, but not for getting us within our target on a show string!
It's his choice!! The club can't go around signing players for him.
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As for DM wanting away because of the club’s strategies I believe the absolute contrary .
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Well I can't help you then. It's obvious those blinkers of yours don't let anything in.
It’s a valid question Martin.
If you can’t answer it then fine but no need for the clever smarmy comment
I have answered it though, hence the smarmy response.
Yes you’ve stated it wouldn’t be fair on Alfie’s career, but then you’re saying we have to wait for other clubs to do their deals before we can sign our targets
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Well I can't help you then. It's obvious those blinkers of yours don't let anything in.
It’s a valid question Martin.
If you can’t answer it then fine but no need for the clever smarmy comment
I have answered it though, hence the smarmy response.
Yes you’ve stated it wouldn’t be fair on Alfie’s career, but then you’re saying we have to wait for other clubs to do their deals before we can sign our targets
And it wouldn't fair on us. Imaging if he'd broken his leg last Saturday. Then what?
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But what if our targets get injured while we’re waiting, surely it’s the same thing isn’t it?
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My thinking is quite straightforward. Ferguson, then McCann, then ?.
When we appointed DM, I was overjoyed, as you well know, but I tempered that joy with the rider that the Club had to back him. And they’ve done anything but, in my view. I am becoming very disillusioned with the Club and any ambition we had when we secured Darren, seems to have flown out the window.
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But what if our targets get injured while we’re waiting, surely it’s the same thing isn’t it?
No, not at all. It depends on the circumstances, not every transfer is the same as another.
If everybody adopted that tactic the whole market would come to a standstill.
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We are I think just 3 points behind where we were at this point last season. Are folk all polishing off the last of the Christmas sherry?
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CBCB, I think that people are questioning whether our recognised first choice eleven can all play in every game.
We have very little as back up as could be seen by the lack of experience and quality on our bench last Tuesday.
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My thinking is quite straightforward. Ferguson, then McCann, then ?.
When we appointed DM, I was overjoyed, as you well know, but I tempered that joy with the rider that the Club had to back him. And they’ve done anything but, in my view. I am becoming very disillusioned with the Club and any ambition we had when we secured Darren, seems to have flown out the window.
Yes, but you still haven't explained your point.
Ferguson was here for quite some time remember, and in my opinion failed given the budget he had. McCann did very well, based on exactly the same budget, albeit somewhat higher by the season end based on the bonuses paid out! But he ditched us for a Championship club, how did we get that wrong? It wasn't us.
And DM is here with the same budget, which judging by your statement that the club aren't backing him doesn't hold much water.
So tell me what the club have done wrong here?
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People are going to take different views on players and recruitment but as a factual pointer, this supposed threadbare squad has delivered 34 points from 22 games.
In 2017/18 in League One after 22 games we had 24 points. A squad that featured Marquis, Butler, Rowe, Copps, Baudry, Williams, Mason, Whiteman, Houghton was a full 10 points behind where we are now.
Having a load of players does not guarantee you the results.
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Is it fair to say then that Moore has a big slice of the budget still to play with?
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CBCB, I think that people are questioning whether our recognised first choice eleven can all play in every game.
We have very little as back up as could be seen by the lack of experience and quality on our bench last Tuesday.
But that's all 'if's and but's'. We are where we are. We should have smiles on our faces but some people..........
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Is it fair to say then that Moore has a big slice of the budget still to play with?
Well of course. Surely nobody's holding up the lack of a budget for DM's reluctance to sign Tom, Dick or Harry?
Time and again we've ben told that he wants who he wants and he's prepared to wait for the players he thinks will fit in.
I understand the frustration, but we'll all have to be patient.
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Or indeed to re-sign Tom, Ben(s) and Seny...
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CBCB, I think that people are questioning whether our recognised first choice eleven can all play in every game.
We have very little as back up as could be seen by the lack of experience and quality on our bench last Tuesday.
But that's all 'if's and but's'. We are where we are. We should have smiles on our faces but some people..........
.......and I am very happy with where we are right now but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that we have very little in the way of back up beyond the first eleven.
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My thinking is quite straightforward. Ferguson, then McCann, then ?.
When we appointed DM, I was overjoyed, as you well know, but I tempered that joy with the rider that the Club had to back him. And they’ve done anything but, in my view. I am becoming very disillusioned with the Club and any ambition we had when we secured Darren, seems to have flown out the window.
Yes, but you still haven't explained your point.
Ferguson was here for quite some time remember, and in my opinion failed given the budget he had. McCann did very well, based on exactly the same budget, albeit somewhat higher by the season end based on the bonuses paid out! But he ditched us for a Championship club, how did we get that wrong? It wasn't us.
And DM is here with the same budget, which judging by your statement that the club aren't backing him doesn't hold much water.
So tell me what the club have done wrong here?
1) McCann dropped hints that he could leave and the club still allowed him to conduct transfers .
2) the club didn’t protect its players from McCanns rhetoric of telling them that the club could get better for less .
3) Disappointment of failure in the playoffs should have been seen as greater incentive to keep what quality the club still had and not leave it to the next manager to build again from scratch.
4) Not selling Marquis untill his replacement was brought in .etc etc etc etc...
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Hang on, McCann did ok with a squad of Ferguson players, plus 2 good loans. If we still had last year’s squad, I dare say we’d be top 2, with this manager.
We’ve raped and pillaged that squad and we’re still slimming it down. There must be loads in ‘the budget’, so why are we stuttering so badly? We’ve had months to prepare for this window and we, somehow, have managed to compete without a No 9. Testament to DM’s management.
Christ knows what McCann would have made of what we’re left with!
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I can see us requiring yet another manager, come the summer, if this is the best we can do with squad strengthening.
as I have said in another place DM is his own man and he won't be rushed, and he will wait his time until the right player is available, it's not down to us if they won't release a lad till they get a replacement for him, I think he will get someone in but if he doesn't then we soldier on
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My thinking is quite straightforward. Ferguson, then McCann, then ?.
When we appointed DM, I was overjoyed, as you well know, but I tempered that joy with the rider that the Club had to back him. And they’ve done anything but, in my view. I am becoming very disillusioned with the Club and any ambition we had when we secured Darren, seems to have flown out the window.
Yes, but you still haven't explained your point.
Ferguson was here for quite some time remember, and in my opinion failed given the budget he had. McCann did very well, based on exactly the same budget, albeit somewhat higher by the season end based on the bonuses paid out! But he ditched us for a Championship club, how did we get that wrong? It wasn't us.
And DM is here with the same budget, which judging by your statement that the club aren't backing him doesn't hold much water.
So tell me what the club have done wrong here?
1) McCann dropped hints that he could leave and the club still allowed him to conduct transfers .
2) the club didn’t protect its players from McCanns rhetoric of telling them that the club could get better for less .
3) Disappointment of failure in the playoffs should have been seen as greater incentive to keep what quality the club still had and not leave it to the next manager to build again from scratch.
4) Not selling Marquis untill his replacement was brought in .etc etc etc etc...
Marquis’ replacement was lined up to be brought it.
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Hang on, McCann did ok with a squad of Ferguson players, plus 2 good loans. If we still had last year’s squad, I dare say we’d be top 2, with this manager.
We’ve raped and pillaged that squad and we’re still slimming it down. There must be loads in ‘the budget’, so why are we stuttering so badly? We’ve had months to prepare for this window and we, somehow, have managed to compete without a No 9. Testament to DM’s management.
Christ knows what McCann would have made of what we’re left with!
And? I'm not sure where your argument is going Alan.
You inferred we'd need another manager in the summer, how is this relevant to that?
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My thinking is quite straightforward. Ferguson, then McCann, then ?.
When we appointed DM, I was overjoyed, as you well know, but I tempered that joy with the rider that the Club had to back him. And they’ve done anything but, in my view. I am becoming very disillusioned with the Club and any ambition we had when we secured Darren, seems to have flown out the window.
Yes, but you still haven't explained your point.
Ferguson was here for quite some time remember, and in my opinion failed given the budget he had. McCann did very well, based on exactly the same budget, albeit somewhat higher by the season end based on the bonuses paid out! But he ditched us for a Championship club, how did we get that wrong? It wasn't us.
And DM is here with the same budget, which judging by your statement that the club aren't backing him doesn't hold much water.
So tell me what the club have done wrong here?
1) McCann dropped hints that he could leave and the club still allowed him to conduct transfers .
2) the club didn’t protect its players from McCanns rhetoric of telling them that the club could get better for less .
3) Disappointment of failure in the playoffs should have been seen as greater incentive to keep what quality the club still had and not leave it to the next manager to build again from scratch.
4) Not selling Marquis untill his replacement was brought in .etc etc etc etc...
Marquis’ replacement was lined up to be brought it.
Was !! That’s the word . We’re doing fine just need a little luck in that department.
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Maybe the line and pen are together and nobody can find it , :crying: :crying: :crying:
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Is it fair to say then that Moore has a big slice of the budget still to play with?
I would expect that may be true, and we all look forward to DM getting the players he wants..
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It’s painfully obvious we need re-inforcements, let alone the glaringly obvious need for a striker. I’d have thought that we would have signed, at least, 2 by now. But it just isn’t happening. Pressure is on GB right now.
See the problem?
We play 1 up front.
We have a superb loaned in that position.
So, anyone we sign as a forward is going to be a back-up.
That immediately rules out a whole string of loanees, because their parent club will be wanting them to get minutes on the pitch.
So we are fishing from a small pool. It's a tough one for the club. We need to cut them a bit of slack.
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I don’t see ennis as a striker,
We need a number 9, a goalscorer and then let ennis compete with the other forward players such as sadlier, Taylor, etc
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Interesting take. With Ennis starting up front in a set formation, we have title winning form. The solution to that is to remove Ennis and try play him in the three where he has not played all season? Well, it is certainly innovative.
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Let’s just see what happens when Moore gets his striker in ay?
Instead of trying to start another argument.
It’s recognised widely on here that ennis isn’t a goalscorer, but helps create space for other people.
If Moore gets the number 9 he wants then they will both be starting in my opinion with ennis just off him.
He was signed to play this role alongside Stirling
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Martin, I wasn’t inferring weneed a new manager, I was inferring this manager could well be another one that walks away, if we don’t back him.
And, Billy, Ennis is playing out of position (for him). The manager has made it perfectly clear he wants a No 9. Ennis would then drop into that 3 attacking midfield pool, or he could even change the system.
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Let’s just see what happens when Moore gets his striker in ay?
Instead of trying to start another argument.
It’s recognised widely on here that ennis isn’t a goalscorer, but helps create space for other people.
If Moore gets the number 9 he wants then they will both be starting in my opinion with ennis just off him.
He was signed to play this role alongside Stirling
Totally agree with this, Ennis doesn’t appear to be a natural goal scorer. He would be very good playing off a striker
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Ennis is doing a cracking job as a lone striker and especially with his inexperience. But I think he would be extremely dangerous behind a front man. He comes across as one of those kids with his worth ethic that up front, or any role in the 3 behind he will do a job for you.
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It’s painfully obvious we need re-inforcements, let alone the glaringly obvious need for a striker. I’d have thought that we would have signed, at least, 2 by now. But it just isn’t happening. Pressure is on GB right now.
See the problem?
We play 1 up front.
We have a superb loaned in that position.
So, anyone we sign as a forward is going to be a back-up.
That immediately rules out a whole string of loanees, because their parent club will be wanting them to get minutes on the pitch.
So we are fishing from a small pool. It's a tough one for the club. We need to cut them a bit of slack.
funny I think Ennis would be perfect in the wilks role from last season. I think having another recognised striker and playing ennis wider would improve us immensely. Also competition for places is no bad thing is it...
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Martin, I wasn’t inferring weneed a new manager, I was inferring this manager could well be another one that walks away, if we don’t back him.
And, Billy, Ennis is playing out of position (for him). The manager has made it perfectly clear he wants a No 9. Ennis would then drop into that 3 attacking midfield pool, or he could even change the system.
why would he want to walk away, the club are backing him to what extent, and he loves being here. If another club came in waving big big bucks then I can't see it
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Putting all this in perspective - this isn’t Championship Manager. Ennis has never once I think played in the 3 for us so we don’t really have any evidence of how he would perform. He has though played as the lone striker in every game he has played for us and when he has, the team as a whole has delivered title winning form. We can posit about his best position - but the evidence is that when he plays up front we do well. Very well.
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Yes but this is because we’ve had zero alternative. He’s played for wolves off a main striker regularly and if you listen to Moore’s interview when we signed him he said he can play anywhere across the front.
He’s similar to Wilks, Wilks couldve played as a loan striker if he needed to but he was much better playing off a main striker.
Either way it’s irrelevent what we all think it’s what Moore does once he’s got his man
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Still not sure I understand why it’s ok for us to accept other clubs telling us to be patient but we just pass on our player straight away when we’ve no sign of a replacement
Well I can't help you then. It's obvious those blinkers of yours don't let anything in.
[I must have blinkers on aswell then because I don't understand it either, we are, at the moment, almost down to the bare bones of a squad & still we ship out players without replacements, & whichever way you dress it up it's concerning. The next few weeks will be interesting.
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Yes but this is because we’ve had zero alternative. He’s played for wolves off a main striker regularly and if you listen to Moore’s interview when we signed him he said he can play anywhere across the front.
He’s similar to Wilks, Wilks couldve played as a loan striker if he needed to but he was much better playing off a main striker.
Either way it’s irrelevent what we all think it’s what Moore does once he’s got his man
Worth also remembering that Ennis has played a total of 60 seconds of first team football for Wolves, coming on as an 89th minute substitute in the FA Cup. Not too much I would suggest we can learn about his best position during his game time with Wolves.
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As a point of pedantry, all our strikers will play as the loan striker.
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Yes but this is because we’ve had zero alternative. He’s played for wolves off a main striker regularly and if you listen to Moore’s interview when we signed him he said he can play anywhere across the front.
He’s similar to Wilks, Wilks couldve played as a loan striker if he needed to but he was much better playing off a main striker.
Either way it’s irrelevent what we all think it’s what Moore does once he’s got his man
Worth also remembering that Ennis has played a total of 60 seconds of first team football for Wolves, coming on as an 89th minute substitute in the FA Cup. Not too much I would suggest we can learn about his best position during his game time with Wolves.
would his u23 games not be relevant?
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As a point of pedantry, all our strikers will play as the loan striker.
Loan, or lone, or both.?
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The more time we have to wait for any player we are planning to bring in, then there will be more competition for their services otherwise we would have them now. So will we be able to beat off that competition to get the player. Whether it’s a loan or permanent. Others have said it and I tend to agree we’ve had months to sort out players. Negotiations especially for loans should have been sorted. The club seem to take time with negotiations whether it’s getting players in or getting our players to sign new contracts. We don’t want to pay to much for any bodies services but we must be competitive if we want or keep players
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As a point of pedantry, all our strikers will play as the loan striker.
Loan, or lone, or both.?
Loan. I don’t think we have an alternative option.
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Does anyone believe there will be any major additions to the squad. I’m starting to feel it’s a bit Groundhog Day
I wouldn’t be surprised if we add a couple of low key loans or squad players that need to get fit or up to speed that only get to start games in mid/late February.
The only positive for me (it’s a big one) is the club seems to be managed in a proper way and we shouldn’t end up like Bury
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Glad I've kept away from this for a little while anyway. Thanks to S_M for providing some pragmatic responses. I understand the frustration but this always stems from what we don't know and the pure guessing and speculation on what we think isn't happening.
I think it's clear from what S_M says DM is on top of this. Just because we can't see the results yet, doesn't mean we will end up short of players he wants and who he thinks can get us to where we want to be.
We've just got to chill out and not worry about what other clubs are doing. Let's not forget, we are very well placed at the moment. DM is doing a great job and I doubt he will undermine his own hard work to date.
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Yes but this is because we’ve had zero alternative. He’s played for wolves off a main striker regularly and if you listen to Moore’s interview when we signed him he said he can play anywhere across the front.
He’s similar to Wilks, Wilks couldve played as a loan striker if he needed to but he was much better playing off a main striker.
Either way it’s irrelevent what we all think it’s what Moore does once he’s got his man
Worth also remembering that Ennis has played a total of 60 seconds of first team football for Wolves, coming on as an 89th minute substitute in the FA Cup. Not too much I would suggest we can learn about his best position during his game time with Wolves.
Do you think Moore signed him on those 60 seconds?
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So at the moment, injuries etc aside, we have a strong first 11 which picks itself.
Then we have a small amount of replacements capable of coming in:
Lawlor and Jones - GK isn’t an issue.
John at CB or LB
Blair (almost fit) utility player
Gomez getting better as the season goes on
Amos LB - not much first team game time but good reports when he’s played
Watters up front, recently getting game time.
I’m not including Bingham as without joining those who slate him, I can’t see him staying..
Then we are into the other young lads who haven’t featured enough yet - the likes of Grieves, Boocock, Blaney etc..
So without over dependence upon too many young players at any one time, it’s my opinion that we would be ok with 2/3 additions - definitely a striker or two, and an attack minded MF.
Another CB/utility defender wouldn’t go amiss either.
Baptiste is a possibility if he gets fit.
Not looking too bad at all - but we do need done incomings as DM has acknowledged..
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Speaking of Blair, it was quite worrying to hear he’s not been approached yet regarding his contract expiring in the summer
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Although not particularly worrying for Blair himself , according to what he says in the DFP website..
I suspect DM would see how Blair does following his recovery before initiating any contractual stuff..
He may be considering letting Blair go on the summer, we don’t know do we.?
I would like us to keep Blair but I would have to say this is not a particularly worrying scenario just now..
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So at the moment, injuries etc aside, we have a strong first 11 which picks itself.
Then we have a small amount of replacements capable of coming in:
Lawlor and Jones - GK isn’t an issue.
John at CB or LB
Blair (almost fit) utility player
Gomez getting better as the season goes on
Amos LB - not much first team game time but good reports when he’s played
Watters up front, recently getting game time.
I’m not including Bingham as without joining those who slate him, I can’t see him staying..
Then we are into the other young lads who haven’t featured enough yet - the likes of Grieves, Boocock, Blaney etc..
So without over dependence upon too many young players at any one time, it’s my opinion that we would be ok with 2/3 additions - definitely a striker or two, and an attack minded MF.
Another CB/utility defender wouldn’t go amiss either.
Baptiste is a possibility if he gets fit.
Not looking too bad at all - but we do need done incomings as DM has acknowledged..
last year, week in, week out, 6 of the 7 bench lads were senior pro's, on senior pro contracts... on tuesday, bingham was the "experienced" player. I know this has ben done to death, but the cost saving this season compared to last, plus the sale of JM, surely must mean the kitty has a tremendous amount of 5 pound notes just sat there..... DM has more than tried to explain, spending the cash, getting players signed is the hard thing, but sometimes, if it takes a couple more quid to convince someone who will get us over the line?????
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I think if the answer was as simple as money then we'd have had a deal by now
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So at the moment, injuries etc aside, we have a strong first 11 which picks itself.
Then we have a small amount of replacements capable of coming in:
Lawlor and Jones - GK isn’t an issue.
John at CB or LB
Blair (almost fit) utility player
Gomez getting better as the season goes on
Amos LB - not much first team game time but good reports when he’s played
Watters up front, recently getting game time.
I’m not including Bingham as without joining those who slate him, I can’t see him staying..
Then we are into the other young lads who haven’t featured enough yet - the likes of Grieves, Boocock, Blaney etc..
So without over dependence upon too many young players at any one time, it’s my opinion that we would be ok with 2/3 additions - definitely a striker or two, and an attack minded MF.
Another CB/utility defender wouldn’t go amiss either.
Baptiste is a possibility if he gets fit.
Not looking too bad at all - but we do need done incomings as DM has acknowledged..
last year, week in, week out, 6 of the 7 bench lads were senior pro's, on senior pro contracts... on tuesday, bingham was the "experienced" player. I know this has ben done to death, but the cost saving this season compared to last, plus the sale of JM, surely must mean the kitty has a tremendous amount of 5 pound notes just sat there..... DM has more than tried to explain, spending the cash, getting players signed is the hard thing, but sometimes, if it takes a couple more quid to convince someone who will get us over the line?????
You’re forgetting Lawlor..
Also Gomez, young as he is, is a regular in the first team squad. Add Blair and John to that bench and things don’t look so bad.
But yes, there should be wage budget available to add players. I don’t think that is in doubt really.
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I think if the answer was as simple as money then we'd have had a deal by now
Of course we would, our salary levels are not a problem in this division.
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I may be wrong, but did I read somewhere that the Watson family were cutting back the money they put in.This was quite a while ago so as I said I could be wrong.
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
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Speaking of Blair, it was quite worrying to hear he’s not been approached yet regarding his contract expiring in the summer
I don't think it's worrying personally. He's 30 years old, been injured all season and wasn't a starter anyway. Blair has been a squad player for a while really, it is testament to his versatility and attitude that he has contributed so much in different positions in the past two seasons.
If he comes in now and gets on a run, I suspect we'll offer him a new deal and he'll sign it. If he barely plays between now and May then the question has to be asked of whether he's worth keeping at all.
Great character, useful player...but not an indispensable player.
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Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
How far should he lower his sights Lincoln have just signed Four plays 2 loans prem 2 Championship deals. Fleetwood just signed a RB on 3.5 year deal (24 year old) from Leeds.
Oxford signed 3 on loan from Chamionship, Premiership and Dutch league.
So do we continue looking at Short term deals from National league is that our level?
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Ambition from clubs in this window we talk a good game but we don’t push the boat out it’s always stop gaps or tunnel vision
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Yes but this is because we’ve had zero alternative. He’s played for wolves off a main striker regularly and if you listen to Moore’s interview when we signed him he said he can play anywhere across the front.
He’s similar to Wilks, Wilks couldve played as a loan striker if he needed to but he was much better playing off a main striker.
Either way it’s irrelevent what we all think it’s what Moore does once he’s got his man
Dickos, memory must be fading Wilkes played loan striker when JM was suspended, he was terrible
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
Season ticket sales have been on the increase for the last few seasons.
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I may be wrong, but did I read somewhere that the Watson family were cutting back the money they put in.This was quite a while ago so as I said I could be wrong.
There's been no cutting back from the Watson family, if anything young Andy has been keen on supporting his Dad's position on this.
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Good to hear
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With regard to Matty Blair.
If we did get promoted then for me he is surplus to requirements.
Not up to Championship standard imo.
Great bloke, team player and brilliant professional but we can’t keep players on sentiment I’m afraid.
If we are in league 1 then i would offer him a 1 yr deal. Of course he possibly would get a much better offer elsewhere and he would have to give that serious consideration.
Been a great servant for us but 3 managers have not used him consistently in his best position and i personally think that has done him no favours at all.
So to sum up, think this may be his last season at Rovers.
Just my opinion.
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I may be wrong, but did I read somewhere that the Watson family were cutting back the money they put in.This was quite a while ago so as I said I could be wrong.
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I also read this.
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... and that suggestion is also supported by the claim that the £600,000 from cups last year and nearly £2,000,000 from the sale of Marquis nearly all went into the academy to help support the board’s aim of “a self financing club”, meaning they put less money into the club.
Of course, we also have Kiwomya drawing a salary since 16th June 2017 whilst doing little/nothing for it. Can anyone remember him actually playing?
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... and that suggestion is also supported by the claim that the £600,000 from cups last year and nearly £2,000,000 from the sale of Marquis nearly all went into the academy to help support the board’s aim of “a self financing club”, meaning they put less money into the club.
Of course, we also have Kiwomya drawing a salary since 16th June 2017 whilst doing little/nothing for it. Can anyone remember him actually playing?
Michael, have you ever been to a football match, or do you just regurgitate dates and figures off the internet to fit in? Genuinely intrigued.
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Vvaya, what's your problem? Which statement do you have issue with?
Is it not true that the money went into a policy of self sufficiency? And has it not already been suggested that the Watson family are wanting to pay in less?
And do you think Kiwomya has been a valuable asset to the club?
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Vvaya, what's your problem? Which statement do you have issue with?
Is it not true that the money went into a policy of self sufficiency? And has it not already been suggested that the Watson family are wanting to pay in less?
And do you think Kiwomya has been a valuable asset to the club?
Anyway, have you ever been to a football match?
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Maybe if we get injuries and have to play a lot of younger players we could postpone the match with Bolton with less than 24 hours notice? Just saying!
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Of course I have been to matches, but I don't have a season ticket. But that is all totally irrelevant. We can all follow Rovers without having to go to every match. And this is an open forum for comment not just reserved for fans with season tickets!
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Of course Kiwomya hasn’t turned out to be a success, but the situation is a very unfortunate and I don’t see what the point is in bringing it up. Who knows what might have been had he not suffered such a physically and psychologically debilitating illness.
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Of course I have been to matches, but I don't have a season ticket. But that is all totally irrelevant. We can all follow Rovers without having to go to every match. And this is an open forum for comment not just reserved for fans with season tickets!
Couldn't agree more.
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Kiwomya has been plagued with an unfortunate series of illnesses and injuries but his salary is still coming out of the finite budget. I constantly hear criticism about players who actually play, but everyone conveniently forgets" Kiwomya is also there.
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Micheal shaw you talk some shit ffs
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... and that suggestion is also supported by the claim that the £600,000 from cups last year and nearly £2,000,000 from the sale of Marquis nearly all went into the academy to help support the board’s aim of “a self financing club”, meaning they put less money into the club.
Of course, we also have Kiwomya drawing a salary since 16th June 2017 whilst doing little/nothing for it. Can anyone remember him actually playing?
you can't complain about a lad for not playing, that had a killer complaint and is lucky to be alive let alone play football, no he is not the best or even near the best but it is out of order
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
Season ticket sales have been on the increase for the last few seasons.
well its seriously got me and my girlfriend thinking about not renewing next season
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... and that suggestion is also supported by the claim that the £600,000 from cups last year and nearly £2,000,000 from the sale of Marquis nearly all went into the academy to help support the board’s aim of “a self financing club”, meaning they put less money into the club.
Of course, we also have Kiwomya drawing a salary since 16th June 2017 whilst doing little/nothing for it. Can anyone remember him actually playing?
I may be wrong, but did I read somewhere that the Watson family were cutting back the money they put in.This was quite a while ago so as I said I could be wrong.
There's been no cutting back from the Watson family, if anything young Andy has been keen on supporting his Dad's position on this.
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
Season ticket sales have been on the increase for the last few seasons.
well its seriously got me and my girlfriend thinking about not renewing next season
I don’t understand that at all..
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
Season ticket sales have been on the increase for the last few seasons.
well its seriously got me and my girlfriend thinking about not renewing next season
I’m sorry Elmsall but that is very hard to understand.
Our situation at this moment should not give any true fan a reason not to renew their season tickets next season.
That’s a completely unjustified reaction in my opinion.
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We are very fortunate to have backers who are prepared to put their own money into the club (approx £2m per year). Whether they want to sustain previous levels of writing off the clubs debts, I don't know, but wanting to make the club more financially self-reliant is something that I think is only reasonable on their part.
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Kiwomya has been plagued with an unfortunate series of illnesses and injuries but his salary is still coming out of the finite budget. I constantly hear criticism about players who actually play, but everyone conveniently forgets" Kiwomya is also there.
Do they? Or are they disappointed that a young man who was signed because he showed so much promise but almost immediately was struck by the a debilitating neurological condition (a condition that left a member of my family with a permanent stiffness to their leg & limp that now forces them to use a walking aid in order to get about) & as a result, has been unable to fulfill that early promise?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Alex was signed on a long contract but neither he nor the club knew what was round the corner. We’re ‘all’ disappointed Alex isn’t starring at the club, but I would hope that the majority of Rovers supporters a) are relieved a young man recovered well enough to be able to pull on a pair of football boots again, b) wish him well for the future wherever that takes him c) have more about them than to aim criticism his way.
Of course, there are always the few ignorant, abhorrent, tactless, clueless few who would use him in a pathetic effort to ‘underline’ what they perceive to be ‘a gem’ of an example on which to hinge their argument when in truth, it merely shows them & their ‘opinions’ to be vacuous.
Take a bow.
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So at the moment, injuries etc aside, we have a strong first 11 which picks itself.
Then we have a small amount of replacements capable of coming in:
Lawlor and Jones - GK isn’t an issue.
John at CB or LB
Blair (almost fit) utility player
Gomez getting better as the season goes on
Amos LB - not much first team game time but good reports when he’s played
Watters up front, recently getting game time.
I’m not including Bingham as without joining those who slate him, I can’t see him staying..
Then we are into the other young lads who haven’t featured enough yet - the likes of Grieves, Boocock, Blaney etc..
So without over dependence upon too many young players at any one time, it’s my opinion that we would be ok with 2/3 additions - definitely a striker or two, and an attack minded MF.
Another CB/utility defender wouldn’t go amiss either.
Baptiste is a possibility if he gets fit.
Not looking too bad at all - but we do need done incomings as DM has acknowledged..
last year, week in, week out, 6 of the 7 bench lads were senior pro's, on senior pro contracts... on tuesday, bingham was the "experienced" player. I know this has ben done to death, but the cost saving this season compared to last, plus the sale of JM, surely must mean the kitty has a tremendous amount of 5 pound notes just sat there..... DM has more than tried to explain, spending the cash, getting players signed is the hard thing, but sometimes, if it takes a couple more quid to convince someone who will get us over the line?????
Adam, I don’t think you will mind my quoting your post this time.
Plenty of supporters will be thinking similarly to you.
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So at the moment, injuries etc aside, we have a strong first 11 which picks itself.
Then we have a small amount of replacements capable of coming in:
Lawlor and Jones - GK isn’t an issue.
John at CB or LB
Blair (almost fit) utility player
Gomez getting better as the season goes on
Amos LB - not much first team game time but good reports when he’s played
Watters up front, recently getting game time.
I’m not including Bingham as without joining those who slate him, I can’t see him staying..
Then we are into the other young lads who haven’t featured enough yet - the likes of Grieves, Boocock, Blaney etc..
So without over dependence upon too many young players at any one time, it’s my opinion that we would be ok with 2/3 additions - definitely a striker or two, and an attack minded MF.
Another CB/utility defender wouldn’t go amiss either.
Baptiste is a possibility if he gets fit.
Not looking too bad at all - but we do need done incomings as DM has acknowledged..
last year, week in, week out, 6 of the 7 bench lads were senior pro's, on senior pro contracts... on tuesday, bingham was the "experienced" player. I know this has ben done to death, but the cost saving this season compared to last, plus the sale of JM, surely must mean the kitty has a tremendous amount of 5 pound notes just sat there..... DM has more than tried to explain, spending the cash, getting players signed is the hard thing, but sometimes, if it takes a couple more quid to convince someone who will get us over the line?????
Adam, I don’t think you will mind my quoting your post this time.
Plenty of supporters will be thinking similarly to you.
Plenty might be thinking similar, but then plenty would also be thinking incorrectly as money is not the issue.
I’m not sure how many times I have to stress this.
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So at the moment, injuries etc aside, we have a strong first 11 which picks itself.
Then we have a small amount of replacements capable of coming in:
Lawlor and Jones - GK isn’t an issue.
John at CB or LB
Blair (almost fit) utility player
Gomez getting better as the season goes on
Amos LB - not much first team game time but good reports when he’s played
Watters up front, recently getting game time.
I’m not including Bingham as without joining those who slate him, I can’t see him staying..
Then we are into the other young lads who haven’t featured enough yet - the likes of Grieves, Boocock, Blaney etc..
So without over dependence upon too many young players at any one time, it’s my opinion that we would be ok with 2/3 additions - definitely a striker or two, and an attack minded MF.
Another CB/utility defender wouldn’t go amiss either.
Baptiste is a possibility if he gets fit.
Not looking too bad at all - but we do need done incomings as DM has acknowledged..
last year, week in, week out, 6 of the 7 bench lads were senior pro's, on senior pro contracts... on tuesday, bingham was the "experienced" player. I know this has ben done to death, but the cost saving this season compared to last, plus the sale of JM, surely must mean the kitty has a tremendous amount of 5 pound notes just sat there..... DM has more than tried to explain, spending the cash, getting players signed is the hard thing, but sometimes, if it takes a couple more quid to convince someone who will get us over the line?????
Adam, I don’t think you will mind my quoting your post this time.
Plenty of supporters will be thinking similarly to you.
Plenty might be thinking similar, but then plenty would also be thinking incorrectly as money is not the issue.
I’m not sure how many times I have to stress this.
It doesn't matter how many times you quote it SM - for some they only want the answer in their heads.
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Must be paying the current squad over the odds then.
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Or, as I expect, there is spare budget available for new players and for extended contracts.
Do you really think DM had spent up already.?
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As regards to Matty Blair getting a new contract, versatile players don't grow on trees these days, he can play midfield, right back, or winger, & with a small relatively inexperienced squad outside the first eleven, he should be offered a new contract in my opinion.
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
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Maybe our wage structure isn’t as good as can be had elsewhere?
Money talks.
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We must be saving up for some rite good players
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He also suggests that this could be for a whole variety of reasons.. money itself might not be the issue..
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It can't be salary levels at the cost of everything else.
I've said this on here a few times, if we have a budget that puts us in and around the top 6, then there are 18 clubs who are possible paying less than us. It goes with the territory, you have a small budget then you have to pay much less, its simple economics.
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Something isn't right for us to be struggling to get the players in during the last window and this window now as well. Next summer is going to be a rate time again when all loan players go back to their parent clubs.
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Trying not to be pessimistic.. but struggling
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It can't be salary levels at the cost of everything else.
I've said this on here a few times, if we have a budget that puts us in and around the top 6, then there are 18 clubs who are possible paying less than us. It goes with the territory, you have a small budget then you have to pay much less, its simple economics.
But wouldn’t the number of players on the books be relevant too.
A pot of money divided by 18 pays more per man than the same pot divided between say 22 players.
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Anderson and Whiteman are top, top players at this level. We would I imagine have had to stuff their pockets to get them to stay here.
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
I wonder if these were loans or permanent players?
If loans I wonder if we have 4 already so the players might think they won’t be guaranteed to play every week.
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DM must have a bonus written into his contract.
Something along the lines of "the less we spend, the more I get"
or maybe that's GB's contract. :unsure:
or maybe Copps is sitting pretty and taking home half the budget himself. He is worth it. :)
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It can't be salary levels at the cost of everything else.
I've said this on here a few times, if we have a budget that puts us in and around the top 6, then there are 18 clubs who are possible paying less than us. It goes with the territory, you have a small budget then you have to pay much less, its simple economics.
But wouldn’t the number of players on the books be relevant too.
A pot of money divided by 18 pays more per man than the same pot divided between say 22 players.
Yes of course, but seeing as we have a, relatively, small squad that means we can pay more. Which totally contradicts everybody's argument on here.
And as has been stated by the club more than once, we believe in quality over quantity.
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DM must have a bonus written into his contract.
Something along the lines of "the less we spend, the more I get"
or maybe that's GB's contract. :unsure:
or maybe Copps is sitting pretty and taking home half the budget himself. He is worth it. :)
Again, how can this be possible? The accounts speak for themselves.
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The wage budget is obviously quite average for this league. Its not a criticism, that's just the way it is. Theres been several transfers fall through now because of it.
Makes you wonder why the club are targeting unrealistic signings in the first place.
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Good point CIM.. if we are able to pay a decent wage why are said targets appearing to want to go elsewhere ?
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That’s assuming wages are the issue but we have nothing to say that is he case - apart from ran opinions and deductions..
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Well SM has mentioned that we can pay so it would be interesting to know the reasons some players appear not to want to come
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
Season ticket sales have been on the increase for the last few seasons.
well its seriously got me and my girlfriend thinking about not renewing next season
why, we could go one point of top as it stands, approaching the end of jan if we played the 2 catchup games next. We don't currently have strength in depth, but it's not exactly holding us back is it.
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Who does the negotiations with players at rovers?
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Their agents.!!
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Well, what is it then, SM?
Something is preventing us getting DM’s targets. Something is not right!
At least we all know, now, that:
a) some of our targets have been missed (I.e. more than one).
b) despite what Campsall would have us believe, there are players out there that are available and were targeted by the manager.
c) the manager is going to be hacked off if we don’t strengthen this month.
The clock is ticking.
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It appears to me as the month goes on DM is getting more and more uncomfortable when asked about any incomings. It’s clear to see something is not right with our recruitment strategy
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Also Sadlier has not signed his contract either so that can’t be money! must be something else.
He says in his interview he is enjoying it here.
So for another reason he’s not signing his contract.
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You missed out the word “yet”..
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Yes yet he has to sign.
Yet we have not signed players.
The end of the month is not here Yet.
DM has not had enough Yet.
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Maybe the players wanted a guarantee of starting every game
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Maybe the players wanted a guarantee of starting every game
As I’ve said having four loans already their clubs and the players maybe wanted Guarantees as you said.
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As regards to Matty Blair getting a new contract, versatile players don't grow on trees these days, he can play midfield, right back, or winger, & with a small relatively inexperienced squad outside the first eleven, he should be offered a new contract in my opinion.
as for letting matty go, we have not got enough good players of our own, all the ones we have are all good but we have not got enough of them
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At the end of the day people can keep saying we have a top 6 budget and we have money available to spend.
But surely these words are worth nothing if we don’t sign the players that reflect that.
Our recruitment over the last year doesn’t reflect one with a top 6 budget
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Might be more to put in if season ticket sales drop in the summer it’s hardly encouraging new fans of old fans are having a rethink at renewing with the Russian roulette transfer policy.
Maybe Darren has to lower his transfer sights and realise we are a league one club and he’s not in the West Brom job
Season ticket sales have been on the increase for the last few seasons.
well its seriously got me and my girlfriend thinking about not renewing next season
why, we could go one point of top as it stands, approaching the end of jan if we played the 2 catchup games next. We don't currently have strength in depth, but it's not exactly holding us back is it.
Is this good run of form making it even harder for DM to make a case to release funds or is this just the fortunate outcome expected from the quality of this squad .
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It’s obviously money and the boards unwillingness to show any ambition, teams like Rotherham and Fleetwood make us look stupid
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It is very hard to believe that players consistently are not coming to us for reasons other than money.
We are a good secure club with decent enough gates for L1.
A nice stadium and good training facilities.
A manager with a good background and allegedly well liked in football.
What else besides a competitive salary can be the issue which causes players to go elsewhere?
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It’s obviously money and the boards unwillingness to show any ambition, teams like Rotherham and Fleetwood make us look stupid
Why is it lack of ambition? The crowds are average and the owners still throw a million at it every year...and thats still not enough to compete with the big spenders.
You either cut your clothe or spend silly money, there's no in between. Clue - the last options puts the club at risk.
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
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Their agents.!!
I mean who negotiate on behalf of the rovers
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Well, what is it then, SM?
Something is preventing us getting DM’s targets. Something is not right!
At least we all know, now, that:
a) some of our targets have been missed (I.e. more than one).
b) despite what Campsall would have us believe, there are players out there that are available and were targeted by the manager.
c) the manager is going to be hacked off if we don’t strengthen this month.
The clock is ticking.
Alan you keep miss quoting me.
What i said was there will not be many players available in January.
I have not said at any point that there are no players available.
DM has said as much himself. It is not an easy window to do business. DM’s words.
Please read my posts correctly Alan as you and others on here are miss quoting me regularly. :zzz:
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It’s obviously money and the boards unwillingness to show any ambition, teams like Rotherham and Fleetwood make us look stupid
I think Fleetwood could get themselves in trouble over fair play rules the wat they are going with just over 3000 crouds
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At the end of the day people can keep saying we have a top 6 budget and we have money available to spend.
But surely these words are worth nothing if we don’t sign the players that reflect that.
Our recruitment over the last year doesn’t reflect one with a top 6 budget
Certainly an issue when the FL stops allocating League position on the basis of points.
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It’s obviously money and the boards unwillingness to show any ambition, teams like Rotherham and Fleetwood make us look stupid
So we play our players peanuts do we.
No we don’t. Some of the rubbish being posted on this forum has Zero credence. Evidence please.
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It’s obviously money and the boards unwillingness to show any ambition, teams like Rotherham and Fleetwood make us look stupid
Fleetwood - a point behind us.
Rotherham - seven points in front, having played two more games.
You're not even trying now Michael.
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
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DM has now got a new nick name, the loan arranger and his side kick Tonto, high oh silver away😁
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficult concept is it.?
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When moore identifies a player he wants who does he go to. Who's job is it at the rovers to negotiate with other clubs and players agents
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Evidence. Come on then. Making statements saying the board are telling blatant lies.
You need to back that up with facts.
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
Precis-
Idah would have been here at the start of the month, but injury crisis at Norwich stopped this.
Players have gone elsewhere, but Moore says the beauty is there are other targets out there.
Those who have gone elsewhere have done so for a variety of reasons, none of which are money.
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Are you saying we didn't have a top six budget last season Lee?
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
Precis-
Idah would have been here at the start of the month, but injury crisis at Norwich stopped this.
Players have gone elsewhere, but Moore says the beauty is there are other targets out there.
Those who have gone elsewhere have done so for a variety of reasons, none of which are money.
Money wasn’t mentioned in the interview and I don’t believe DM would ever say it was about money any way to professional. So we don’t know the facts about money really.
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Are you saying we didn't have a top six budget last season Lee?
We punched way above expectations last year. Again relying on loans. We got lucky in the fact we signed wilks and herbie Kane and they came good.
Top six budget last year not so sure to be honest doubt it. Maybe top half budget.
This year absolutely no where near top six!
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
Precis-
Idah would have been here at the start of the month, but injury crisis at Norwich stopped this.
Players have gone elsewhere, but Moore says the beauty is there are other targets out there.
Those who have gone elsewhere have done so for a variety of reasons, none of which are money.
Money wasn’t mentioned in the interview and I don’t believe DM would ever say it was about money any way to professional. So we don’t know the facts about money really.
I think we can agree on that, Steve.
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
Precis-
Idah would have been here at the start of the month, but injury crisis at Norwich stopped this.
Players have gone elsewhere, but Moore says the beauty is there are other targets out there.
Those who have gone elsewhere have done so for a variety of reasons, none of which are money.
Money wasn’t mentioned in the interview and I don’t believe DM would ever say it was about money any way to professional. So we don’t know the facts about money really.
Precisely, yet many fans are assuming we haven’t got any.!!
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Are you saying we didn't have a top six budget last season Lee?
We punched way above expectations last year. Again relying on loans. We got lucky in the fact we signed wilks and herbie Kane and they came good.
Top six budget last year not so sure to be honest doubt it. Maybe top half budget.
This year absolutely no where near top six!
So finishing in the top six, doesn't mean we had a top six budget.
Got it.
You do realise you're arguing that budget doesn't directly define League position, don't you?
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Are you saying we didn't have a top six budget last season Lee?
We punched way above expectations last year. Again relying on loans. We got lucky in the fact we signed wilks and herbie Kane and they came good.
Top six budget last year not so sure to be honest doubt it. Maybe top half budget.
This year absolutely no where near top six!
Prove it.!
How much is a “top six” budget, and how much is ours.?
Don’t I know.?
Well neither do I, but then I’m not claiming anything..
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
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IDM - what a pointless statement. Try proving that it is!
Just because someone says it is?
Nobody is ever going to put figures on here just so we can all say “oh yes, look, it is a top 6 budget”.
Question: Have we signed anyone yet? Answers on a postage stamp.
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Dickov could have had a f*ck*ng premiership budget and we’d still have finished mid table or worse! :turd: :turd:
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
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IDM - what a pointless statement. Try proving that it is!
Just because someone says it is?
Nobody is ever going to put figures on here just so we can all say “oh yes, look, it is a top 6 budget”.
Question: Have we signed anyone yet? Answers on a postage stamp.
Whiteman and Anderson
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Dickov could have had a f*ck*ng premiership budget and we’d still have finished mid table or worse! :turd: :turd:
I totally agree but interesting interview with regards to what he was told to say.
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
Although you've absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
Although you've absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
I’ve pointed out that interview of an ex manager claiming that he was told to lie about having a top six budget when he had a much lower one.
How’s about you prove we do have a top six budget then...???
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IDM - what a pointless statement. Try proving that it is!
Just because someone says it is?
Nobody is ever going to put figures on here just so we can all say “oh yes, look, it is a top 6 budget”.
Question: Have we signed anyone yet? Answers on a postage stamp.
Alan the point is that outside the club, with the possible exception of SM, none of us know what the budget actually is, nor what constitutes a. Top six budget. But still some fans claim we don’t have what the club says we have..
Not signing players yet does not mean we haven’t got a reasonable budget, not definitively, there could just be difficulty spending it..
I am as aware as anyone else about the lack of and the need for signings, but I’m sick to death of the conclusion jumping that goes on..
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
Although you've absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
I’ve pointed out that interview of an ex manager claiming that he was told to lie about having a top six budget when he had a much lower one.
How’s about you prove we do have a top six budget then...???
So not this manager and not this budget.
Got it.
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
Although you've absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
I’ve pointed out that interview of an ex manager claiming that he was told to lie about having a top six budget when he had a much lower one.
How’s about you prove we do have a top six budget then...???
So not this manager and not this budget.
Got it.
Still awaiting evidence that we have a top six budget.....
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
Thanks for posting the link. He didn't actually say that we’ve missed out on targets, he was giving reasons why they might not have signed yet.
Listen to the Adam Oxley interview here when he asks the specific question.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p080kkwc
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
Although you've absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
I’ve pointed out that interview of an ex manager claiming that he was told to lie about having a top six budget when he had a much lower one.
How’s about you prove we do have a top six budget then...???
Read my posts, I’m not making any claims that would require proof..
I’m highlighting the conclusion jumping that we see on here, when we are not in possession of all the facts...
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And you are equally guilty of conclusion jumping IDM, jumping to the conclusion that anyone suggesting that money could be the reason we are struggling to recruit is wrong.
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To be fair SM is only telling us what he has been told.
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Anyone know who's job it is to negotiate with other teams and players agents for the rovers?
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And you are equally guilty of conclusion jumping IDM, jumping to the conclusion that anyone suggesting that money could be the reason we are struggling to recruit is wrong.
No, not that money “could” be the reason, but that money “is” the reason..
That we have been “lied to”..
Etc..
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There’s no way we’ve got anywhere near a top 6 budget.
Blatantly being lied to!
Having the budget, and being able to spend it, are two different things.
That’s not such a difficulty concept is it.?
I don’t understand how you can’t see that we’re being lied to with regards the budget.
Look at the last 2 managers that have Left.
https://youtu.be/KGJSsNOHbp0
1hour 37minutes on from Dickovs mouth...
Did we or did we not achieve top 6 last season.?
Even if we have a top 6 budget and we make signings, there is no guarantee, none at all, that the team will gel and succeed on the pitch.
Dickov.??
Yes Dickov in that interview. Clearly states he was told to say he had a top six budget! He was told to lie....
Dickov wasn’t one of our previous two managers, and we’re talking about now..
Where did I claim he was... I said look how the last 2 have left! Both questioned the budgets before jumping ship.
Dickov the manager before has stated he was told to lie about the budget.
IDM and VAYA I never claimed a top six budget means you’ll get in the top six did I? My grievance is with the fact we’re told that we have a top six budget when we don’t.
Although you've absolutely no idea if that's the case or not.
I’ve pointed out that interview of an ex manager claiming that he was told to lie about having a top six budget when he had a much lower one.
How’s about you prove we do have a top six budget then...???
So not this manager and not this budget.
Got it.
Still awaiting evidence that we have a top six budget.....
I haven't said we have a top six budget.
I haven't got a clue what the budget is Lee, just like you.
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And you are equally guilty of conclusion jumping IDM, jumping to the conclusion that anyone suggesting that money could be the reason we are struggling to recruit is wrong.
But some people are claiming it to be a fact. They cannot back that up.
I cannot, nor anyone can claim any facts. Those that do are simply using it as a means to have a dig at the board.
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What is a top six budget any way and how is a true measure of the clubs ambitions.
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What is a top six budget any way and how is a true measure of the clubs ambitions.
May be worth asking the club seems as though they repeat that that’s the budget we have...
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It’s all irrelevent
The only way we can show ambition and that we have money to spend is actually seeing it happen.
And at the moment it’s not.
It may be because we’ve been unlucky but at what point do we get to and then say f**k me we really are cutting our cloth here.
We’ve had around a dozen players leave and only a small percentage have been replaced.
Last season mccann said he hadn’t used all his budget, since then we’ve sold a player for over a million and released a number of well paid players and replaced only a couple of them.
Yes we’ve offered a couple of contracts to existing players but if we had money left in the budget last season then this surplus money should be emphatically more now.
Yet the actions of the club currently aren’t reflecting one which has lots of money available to spend.
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It’s all irrelevent
The only way we can show ambition and that we have money to spend is actually seeing it happen.
And at the moment it’s not.
It may be because we’ve been unlucky but at what point do we get to and then say f**k me we really are cutting our cloth here.
We’ve had around a dozen players leave and only a small percentage have been replaced.
Last season mccann said he hadn’t used all his budget, since then we’ve sold a player for over a million and released a number of well paid players and replaced only a couple of them.
Yes we’ve offered a couple of contracts to existing players but if we had money left in the budget last season then this surplus money should be emphatically more now.
Yet the actions of the club currently aren’t reflecting one which has lots of money available to spend.
Seven points off top spot though.
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League table means very little halfway through a season. Two weeks ago we were 15th.
The issues are what’s happening with our finances, we’ve recouped lots of money of the last 2/3 seasons and spent a lot less than we were
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If you believe what DM is saying in recent days, wouldn’t you agree we are trying to spend the money, albeit for the “right” players he wants.?
It is frustrating and DM sees that.
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I don’t know if we’re trying to spend the money, I’ve no idea what offers we’ve had in place or even if we have
All I know is we’ve recouped a hell of a lot of money over the last 3 years and not spent much of it
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Well, what is it then, SM?
Something is preventing us getting DM’s targets. Something is not right!
At least we all know, now, that:
a) some of our targets have been missed (I.e. more than one).
b) despite what Campsall would have us believe, there are players out there that are available and were targeted by the manager.
c) the manager is going to be hacked off if we don’t strengthen this month.
The clock is ticking.
Which of our targets have been missed?
I'm not aware of any that have failed to sign, and if DM has said this can you point me in that direction because I'm not aware he's said anything like this.
The simple fact of the matter is that DM has his A plan, which he's sticking to. Hopefully news of that should break soon.
Yes there are players out there, but he ain't going to sign anyone just to please you or me. He could do it, he's got the money, he just doesn't want to.
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League table means very little halfway through a season. Two weeks ago we were 15th.
The issues are what’s happening with our finances, we’ve recouped lots of money of the last 2/3 seasons and spent a lot less than we were
Again, with little fact available you're doing your elementary accounting and getting it all wrong.
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Again,
I’m just stating what’s happened
Far more players have left over the last 3 years than have come in that’s there for everybody to see
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The same sounds came out last season about the manager not wanting to spend the money at his disposal
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We are ok saying DM isnt just going to sign anyone but he did when he signed Thomas and Bingham. He did that because we were desperate as hell there can't be any other reason for it and in 2 weeks time we are looking like we will be in a similar position.
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The same sounds came out last season about the manager not wanting to spend the money at his disposal
It got spent last season, I wouldn't worry about that.
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Well, what is it then, SM?
Something is preventing us getting DM’s targets. Something is not right!
At least we all know, now, that:
a) some of our targets have been missed (I.e. more than one).
b) despite what Campsall would have us believe, there are players out there that are available and were targeted by the manager.
c) the manager is going to be hacked off if we don’t strengthen this month.
The clock is ticking.
Which of our targets have been missed?
I'm not aware of any that have failed to sign, and if DM has said this can you point me in that direction because I'm not aware he's said anything like this.
The simple fact of the matter is that DM has his A plan, which he's sticking to. Hopefully news of that should break soon.
Yes there are players out there, but he ain't going to sign anyone just to please you or me. He could do it, he's got the money, he just doesn't want to.
Yes, I'm a bit bemused too. What Hoden is reporting in the DFP is not was DM actually said by DM unless Hoden has not published to full recording of DMs interview.
In Adam Oxley's interview, he clearly says we have not missed out on our targets . Normally in the pre match interviews, RS do the full interview, then Hoden follows up with his own questions. Has he misheard DM and published an error?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p080kkwc
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DFP online seems to have changed recently lots of clickbait type pages Liams job description has changed recently by what he's said 2+2=5 perhaps Chill and let DM get on with it If a player doesnt want to come here fine you can led a horse to water but you cant make it drink. Look at the remnants DM was left with some incomings that were fetched in to bolster a very depleted squad left by his predecessor the bloke is doing a decent job stop yer bloody panicking and let him get on with it He's doing well with what hes got and did well at his previous club, feck me win even one game in hand and we are up there And as a slightly different issue we put our money into the club fine the directors put in a damn sight more to keep the club afloat if they want to hang fire in League 1 so be it BUT we still have a club to support
and I can't be bothered to go back and put commas and full stops in :)
sod it lets all just meltdown :) I promise you all there will be bigger things to worry about in your lifetimes
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I follow normally have the full interview up by midnight so will be able to confirm when it’s up.
Think we need some good news soon as we have been told we are getting new players before this game then that game and still we wait.
We all know that we need new players including the manager and board and like signing whiteman we will spend if we need to.
Also if we have missed out on a player then f**k them they obviously don’t want to be here. Surely we want players who want to be here.
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IDM - what a pointless statement. Try proving that it is!
Just because someone says it is?
Nobody is ever going to put figures on here just so we can all say “oh yes, look, it is a top 6 budget”.
Question: Have we signed anyone yet? Answers on a postage stamp.
Whiteman and Anderson
Ha ha.
I have been waiting for someone to say that.
I expected it to be someone else though.
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Interestingly, DM has now publicly admitted that we have missed out on some targets in this window as they have decided to go elsewhere. This is a definite change in tact from what we previously understood to be the case.
Can you tell me where in that interview he said we have missed out on targets? I've listened to it twice now and both times he answered the question if we had missed out as no.
In any event, one of the common sticking points which players hold out for is length of contract. We offer two, they want 3 etc. That's just a player and agents parogative.
Someone said he sounded unhappy. I didn't get that at all. It was a better line of questioning from Adam Oxley and he answered the only way he could do really.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-desire-signings-missing-out-players-and-why-no-deals-have-been-done-so-far-doncaster-rovers-1367536
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Idah would have been here at the start of the month, but injury crisis at Norwich stopped this.
Players have gone elsewhere, but Moore says the beauty is there are other targets out there.
Those who have gone elsewhere have done so for a variety of reasons, none of which are money.
Money wasn’t mentioned in the interview and I don’t believe DM would ever say it was about money any way to professional. So we don’t know the facts about money really.
I think we can agree on that, Steve.
Quote from steve@dcfd “so we don’t know the facts about money really”.
Quote from vaya “I think we can agree on that Steve”
But vaya, in a previous post you clearly said that the reasons that players haven’t come to us is not money.
A bit of a contradiction eh.
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It’s obviously money and the boards unwillingness to show any ambition, teams like Rotherham and Fleetwood make us look stupid
So we play our players peanuts do we.
No we don’t. Some of the rubbish being posted on this forum has Zero credence. Evidence please.
Paul, I guess you will tell me that I am getting at you here, but we have no idea whether our players are well paid or not (compared to at other clubs) so when you say we are not paying our players peanuts, how can you know that.
There is no evidence to support either argument.
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Just a thought.
We have an excellent first XI in every single position.
It's very unlikely that we are going to be able to offer terms to a player who is sure that he's going to go straight into the first team.
Maybe some of the players who have chosen not to join us didn't want to be bench warmers?
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Players don’t sign for clubs expecting to waltz into the first team though.
They know they have to prove themselves.
A manager of any club will tell new recruits they will have to fight for their place in the side
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And the overall issue is, even if we knew what the budget is and knew every players wages, we would still have no idea how to spend it well because we don't have the expertise or experience.
If half the fans in here had their way, we'd be bust in no time at all.
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Players don’t sign for clubs expecting to waltz into the first team though.
They know they have to prove themselves.
A manager of any club will tell new recruits they will have to fight for their place in the side
Aye right. Wharrevva.
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League table means very little halfway through a season. Two weeks ago we were 15th.
The issues are what’s happening with our finances, we’ve recouped lots of money of the last 2/3 seasons and spent a lot less than we were
We dealt with this specific point a few weeks ago - you claim we are spending “a lot less than we were” but as the last time you claimed this, you have no facts to prove this.
What you can say is “my strongly held belief is that we are spending a lot less than we were” but unless you are going to point to accepted figures, it is just yet another crank conspiracy theory.
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League table means very little halfway through a season. Two weeks ago we were 15th.
The issues are what’s happening with our finances, we’ve recouped lots of money of the last 2/3 seasons and spent a lot less than we were
We dealt with this specific point a few weeks ago - you claim we are spending “a lot less than we were” but as the last time you claimed this, you have no facts to prove this.
What you can say is “my strongly held belief is that we are spending a lot less than we were” but unless you are going to point to accepted figures, it is just yet another crank conspiracy theory.
Sorry
Not interested in getting involved in another nonsensical discussion like this with you
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Well, what is it then, SM?
Something is preventing us getting DM’s targets. Something is not right!
At least we all know, now, that:
a) some of our targets have been missed (I.e. more than one).
b) despite what Campsall would have us believe, there are players out there that are available and were targeted by the manager.
c) the manager is going to be hacked off if we don’t strengthen this month.
The clock is ticking.
Which of our targets have been missed?
I'm not aware of any that have failed to sign, and if DM has said this can you point me in that direction because I'm not aware he's said anything like this.
The simple fact of the matter is that DM has his A plan, which he's sticking to. Hopefully news of that should break soon.
Yes there are players out there, but he ain't going to sign anyone just to please you or me. He could do it, he's got the money, he just doesn't want to.
What about the two 'quality proven' strikers we bid for but didnt get during the summer... ? I dont think Thomas and Bingham then fit the bill either
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Well, what is it then, SM?
Something is preventing us getting DM’s targets. Something is not right!
At least we all know, now, that:
a) some of our targets have been missed (I.e. more than one).
b) despite what Campsall would have us believe, there are players out there that are available and were targeted by the manager.
c) the manager is going to be hacked off if we don’t strengthen this month.
The clock is ticking.
Which of our targets have been missed?
I'm not aware of any that have failed to sign, and if DM has said this can you point me in that direction because I'm not aware he's said anything like this.
The simple fact of the matter is that DM has his A plan, which he's sticking to. Hopefully news of that should break soon.
Yes there are players out there, but he ain't going to sign anyone just to please you or me. He could do it, he's got the money, he just doesn't want to.
What about the two 'quality proven' strikers we bid for but didnt get during the summer... ? I dont think Thomas and Bingham then fit the bill either
We're talking specifically about the January window.
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Maybe unfollow Liam Hoden on Twitter that might do the trick 😉
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DM has now got a new nick name, the loan arranger and his side kick Tonto, high oh silver away😁
Right Dave, I've got a science question for you. What's the nearest thing to silver?
Answer; the Lone Ranger's b*llocks.
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Adam Oxley’s interview that’s linked from the BBC site is a different interview, that is abundantly clear. It’s a totally different section. What has been attributed to DM in the DFP is what DM will have said in a different interview. We don’t need the tapes, it’s been directly quoted.
DM does not deny having missed out on targets in the BBC interview. He answers a different question about why we let players leave.
For what it’s worth, nor does he deny any interest in Okenabirhie when asked in the BBC interview, he just doesn’t answer the question. We are talking about separate interviews, but I don’t think there’s any need to be debating what’s been said.
What was meant / inferred is another matter.
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Liam has now tweeted regarding these accusations
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It's like Groundhog Day on here........ I do wish some people would give their keyboard a rest... surely they have other things to do than to spend hour upon hour on here pontificating and willy waving...
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Players don’t sign for clubs expecting to waltz into the first team though.
They know they have to prove themselves.
A manager of any club will tell new recruits they will have to fight for their place in the side
Yeah like, Darren Peacock, Alan Brown, Ray Deans, Steve Nichol, Leo Fortune West, Brian Stock, Matt Mills, Richie Wellens, Billy Sharp, Ben Whiteman etc., etc.
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https://twitter.com/liamhoden/status/1218085103764738048
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I wonder who the “particular prominent figure” is that Hoden mentions in his tweet?
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you mean you don't know?
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😉
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Some of those even made their debut on the bench so you’ve proven my point
Cheers
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12 pages of people discussing/giving opinions on things ie budget that they nothing about, c'mon chaps give it a rest
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12 pages of people discussing/giving opinions on things ie budget that they nothing about, c'mon chaps give it a rest
Yeah guys come on. Stop giving your views and opinions on this forum for your views and opinions. What is wrong with you all? 🙄
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Talk about things you know about seems to be the bit thats gone over your head but never mind
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Thing is people are giving their views and opinions and are staying them as a fact.
In my opinion if we don't sign anyone then we won't get into the playoffs.
Others may say 'if we don't sign anyone it proves the board are lying and don't want championship football'
The 2nd is an opinion but is stated as a fact and this is what divides the supporters. We all want the best but some want us to spend our way and risk it and others will be happy with a patient building of a core group of players and getting the right players in up
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you mean you don't know?
I don't know, I'd guess GB?
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Didn't realise GB posted on here.
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Didn't realise GB posted on here.
I didn't realise anyone prominent posted on here, apart from your good self, of course.
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https://twitter.com/liamhoden/status/1218085103764738048
It didnt take long for the Snowman to weigh in,and not under a pseudonym!
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The problem is not the players we identify, it is when the agents become involved. The question should be, do you want us to sign players and give agents a disproportional fee just for acting on the behalf of a player for no benefit to the club, or do you back the clubs stance, not to pay agents a disproportional fee just because they have a player under contract to themselves.
I understand the difficulties, I accept that there is a murky underbelly to transfers, with people taking their cut, and we need more clubs to join ours in our stance which I back wholeheartedly, and it needs the backing of the EFL and FA in this country and FIFA in Europe. The current system only plays into the top clubs hands, and is the reason that Sunderland, Portsmouth and certain other bigger clubs can hoover up the better players at our level, and the higher up the pecking order the worse it gets.
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I’m not sure how you know the problem is with the agents?
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[/quote]12 pages of people discussing/giving opinions on things ie budget that they nothing about, c'mon chaps give it a rest
Give it a rest? The board allows three strikers of varying abilities to go at the start of a transfer window and then show absolutely no intention of replacing the missing members of the squad. Seems to me somebody wants to make sure we slip down the table to a place they are comfortable with...……..going nowhere.
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12 pages of people discussing/giving opinions on things ie budget that they nothing about, c'mon chaps give it a rest
Give it a rest? The board allows three strikers of varying abilities to go at the start of a transfer window and then show absolutely no intention of replacing the missing members of the squad. Seems to me somebody wants to make sure we slip down the table to a place they are comfortable with...……..going nowhere.
[/quote] It’s last season all over again .... when we looked liked getting in a playoff final , just a a-bit too close for the board so there not taking any chances this time . Ooh 😲
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I think lose tomorrow and we'll sgin someone next week win and we won't remember a few years back when fergie got us out of the bottom four and up into the top dozen and warned to bolster the squad and club said no we won't go down.... But we did
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Elmsall, the big difference is we have a manager now that can actually manage players and situations.
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Talk about things you know about seems to be the bit thats gone over your head but never mind
Nothing went over my head... so you’re talking about things you don’t know about. Never mind hey.
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I think lose tomorrow and we'll sgin someone next week win and we won't remember a few years back when fergie got us out of the bottom four and up into the top dozen and warned to bolster the squad and club said no we won't go down.... But we did
That logic is ridiculous..
We need more players regardless of tomorrow’s result, and DM knows that..
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Crikey there is some tripe spouted on this forum.
All the usual suspects are out in force it would seem.
:headbang:
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I reckon if there was an award for who talks the biggest load of b÷ll=cks on this forum about the board and the budget we would be hard pushed who to give it to, there are that many contenders, but of course they "know" everything that goes on regarding the finacial situation at the club
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You’d be up there raven with your I love gavin t-shirt on!!
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You’d be up there raven with your I love gavin t-shirt on!!
What on earth are you talking about? Gavin who?
Putting yourself firward as a contender? One of the favourites to some I would suggest
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Maybe Moore should sign any Tom,Dick or Harry just to appease some of you, or Maybe he will stand be his principles and his believes in waiting for the right player with the right attitude and that fits into what he is trying to achieve with DRFC and anyone who cannot see that must be blind
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
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We have a worrying number of hardened conspiracy theorists who see malign intent behind every action or attempted action by the club.
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If the latest gossip about we are keen on a midfielder from Kidderminster who played in a behind closed door game but has since had hamstring injuries is true I think the dogooders on here really need a shake. If that’s the calibre of player like Thomas and Bingham we’re seriously after either Moore goes because he hasn’t a clue or the board go for not backing him and shows there ambition.
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We have a worrying number of hardened conspiracy theorists who see malign intent behind every action or attempted action by the club.
Conspiracy theories 😂😂😂😂
So we are now expected to not believe what the manager says now, just because it doesn’t follow the narrative?
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
How can it not be true Martin,
Moore has said it himself, he’s not going to lie is he
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
So, just For clarity, in the interview with DM, when he says that we have missed out on some players that he wanted to sign, that DM is fibbing.
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
How can it not be true Martin,
Moore has said it himself, he’s not going to lie is he
I love how you and certain others word your posts and questions to create further more disruptive disagreements. I think it’s a bit like the Spanish Inquisition and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
If SM replies “ All I said was this halibut is good enough for Jehovah” You lot would cry “Blasphemy!” Your only making it worse for yourself “ (Credit. Life of Brian 1979) 😂🤣🤣
Seriously though guys you need to stand back and look at yourselves.
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
How can it not be true Martin,
Moore has said it himself, he’s not going to lie is he
I love how you and certain others word your posts and questions to create further more disruptive disagreements. I think it’s a bit like the Spanish Inquisition and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
If SM replies “ All I said was this halibut is good enough for Jehovah” You lot would cry “Blasphemy!” Your only making it worse for yourself “ (Credit. Life of Brian 1979) 😂🤣🤣
Seriously though guys you need to stand back and look at yourselves.
Exactly. Everyone's fed up of the whinging and points scoring. If you're not happy with the club, send an email to request a meeting with Gavin and ask the questions you want answered. I'm sure he'll be glad to hear of the solutions being suggested.
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And folks like me get drawn in, to counter things. Not just to express a different opinion, more to point out inaccuracies or unfounded views etc.
Hopefully the forum tonight will be a place of celebration after the game.!
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
How can it not be true Martin,
Moore has said it himself, he’s not going to lie is he
I love how you and certain others word your posts and questions to create further more disruptive disagreements. I think it’s a bit like the Spanish Inquisition and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
If SM replies “ All I said was this halibut is good enough for Jehovah” You lot would cry “Blasphemy!” Your only making it worse for yourself “ (Credit. Life of Brian 1979) 😂🤣🤣
Seriously though guys you need to stand back and look at yourselves.
Don’t think that’s correct at all
Darren Moore, said we’ve missed out on targets but SM said this isn’t correct.
One way or another someone isn’t telling the truth
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Facts are...... we’ve had months to prepare deals and nobody of note has arrived. Facts are.... manager after manager says they have funds available but on leaving a completely different story emerges and the pattern is continuing with DM.... sooner these clowns sell up the better
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Clowns.?
Look in the mirror eh.?
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You can say whatever you want with the other ‘dozen’ at tops... there’s issues and you probably know what they are, it’s starting to be comical listening to the ‘few’!! I honestly think the rovers support is in the majority of a change at the top.... silence is deafening and rumours abound all is not well....,
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You can say whatever you want with the other ‘dozen’ at tops... there’s issues and you probably know what they are, it’s starting to be comical listening to the ‘few’!! I honestly think the rovers support is in the majority of a change at the top.... silence is deafening and rumours abound all is not well....,
Issues are when the stadium gets burned down, when Sunday league players are rounded up to play on a Saturday, when the club is threatened with liquidation.
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With respect - I would imagine that that is complete b*llocks!
There may be a fair few who are a bit frustrated with the lack of incomings/perceived lack of ambition etc etc - but rovers are currently in the top 10 in the third tier with a 'threadbare' squad and the club is well recognised as being a well-run model - despite the owners funding big sums each year.
I reckon most fans are happy but a tad frustrated.
Who's gonna replace 'the clowns' some self-obsessed millionaire playing with dirty money? A lucky fan who's just won the euro-millions? A non-existent hedge fund? An oil oligarch from arabia/russia - nah I don't think so.
Keep it as we are for me, bide our time, do it right, be patient, keep improving the manager, bring a few kids through, tie important players down to long term contracts, utilise good quality loans (the kind of player you could never permanently sign), sell the odd nugget of a player for decent profit, occasionally spend some money on a player who will improve the squad on a permanent and push for small improvements every season - to ensure sustainability.
I'll take the latter please!
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Idah, not even on the bench today, could it be he's on the way?
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I thought the same looking at the Norwich line up, Alickismyhero.
Would be a much needed boost if we were to sign Idah this week!
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I think you’ve missed the bit rich, where Moore has stated he’s got players that he wants and he’s tried to sign some of these but missed out on them.
So it’s got nothing at all to do with him not wanting to sign Tom dick and Harry
And you’ve missed the bit where I’ve said that’s not true.
How can it not be true Martin,
Moore has said it himself, he’s not going to lie is he
I love how you and certain others word your posts and questions to create further more disruptive disagreements. I think it’s a bit like the Spanish Inquisition and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
If SM replies “ All I said was this halibut is good enough for Jehovah” You lot would cry “Blasphemy!” Your only making it worse for yourself “ (Credit. Life of Brian 1979) 😂🤣🤣
Seriously though guys you need to stand back and look at yourselves.
Exactly. Everyone's fed up of the whinging and points scoring. If you're not happy with the club, send an email to request a meeting with Gavin and ask the questions you want answered. I'm sure he'll be glad to hear of the solutions being suggested.
Why Gavin? And why not Mr Blunt, he's the chairman. He's the one running the football club!!!
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30th December, we were at an advanced stage in negotiations with a few signings
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-reveals-early-transfer-window-hopes-doncaster-rovers-one-deal-advanced-stage-1351926
Today 24th January, 7 days of the transfer window to go, and nothing at all, 26 days since we were at an advanced stage, it’s getting ridiculous
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Looks like our friends Charlton will be getting Idah over the line pretty soon
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At the moment Filo we don't know whether it's rediculous or DM being a tactical genius.
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It’s getting daft now. Who ever is in charge of getting these transfers over the line clearly isn’t up to the job
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I have asked the same question before. Who job is it to get the transfers over the line?. No one knows
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It’s odd that the question has come up. I have always thought that it was the manager’s responsibility to pick suitable players to fit in with his playing style, and it was the manager’s role to get the new players into the club. He would obviously have assistants/staff who would help to get the contracts sorted. And if the team fail to perform to the board’s expectations it is the manager who gets the chop.
Now Moore is saying that his job is just to get the next win and everything else lies with someone else and contracts are not his problem. And yet he is the one who will carry the can if the lack of striker or other players means we miss out on a playoff place.
I find it a little baffling after all these years and I thought I understood it.
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Does no one actually consider that the selling/loaning club, agents and players have a say in coming here or not.?
OK that doesn’t explain why we haven’t signed players whilst other clubs have, but folks seem to forget there are two sides to every transfer.
We can’t force players to join.!
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Looks like our friends Charlton will be getting Idah over the line pretty soon
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I wouldn’t have expected him to move anywhere until after their FA Cup game this weekend.
Anyhow Darren Moore suggested that he wasn’t Plan A, and that our main targets have not been outed in the press.
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Why let that get in the way of social media rumours and demands.?
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Looks like our friends Charlton will be getting Idah over the line pretty soon
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I wouldn’t have expected him to move anywhere until after their FA Cup game this weekend.
Anyhow Darren Moore suggested that he wasn’t Plan A, and that our main targets have not been outed in the press.
What is his Plan A or B and who is her going after? We have no idea and never had. So he can say anything and no-one can disagree.
A bit like the board can make claims about the budget provided, but we really have no idea.
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And nor should we.!
Why should the club do their transfer dealings in the public domain.??
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We see potential transfers relating to other clubs openly related on the other football sites, but rarely anything about Rovers. Why wouldn't Rovers fans want to know something or is ignorance considered to be a virtue for Rovers fans?
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Without social media rumours Rovers fans would have nothing to talk about, as it is clear the club doesn't want us know anything and you are supporting that.
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And nor should we.!
Why should the club do their transfer dealings in the public domain.??
No-one is asking how much we pay for individual players or how much they get paid a week. But it should be reasonable to have some idea of who or what positions we might be getting in the next week.
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We see potential transfers relating to other clubs openly related on the other football sites, but rarely anything about Rovers. Why wouldn't Rovers fans want to know something or is ignorance considered to be a virtue for Rovers fans?
No Michael, ignorance is only blessed on a select few........
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Without social media rumours Rovers fans would have nothing to talk about, as it is clear the club doesn't want us know anything and you are supporting that.
Of course fans want to know, more and more these days, but in my opinion it’s the club’s business until there’s something to announce..
Is that so difficult to understand.?
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Looks like our friends Charlton will be getting Idah over the line pretty soon
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I wouldn’t have expected him to move anywhere until after their FA Cup game this weekend.
Anyhow Darren Moore suggested that he wasn’t Plan A, and that our main targets have not been outed in the press.
Indeed. S_M tried to explain it the best he could without giving too much away but yet people ignore this or don't want to believe it. That's their choice.
There could be a trigger that sets the chain off and if DM has got an agreement in place that brings his A player(s) here then nothings going to change that.
It maybe that there's a few more uncomfortable days ahead and what even might be seen as a last day supermarket sweep, depending on when that trigger is pulled. I hope for everyone's sanity it isn't that late mind!
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Put it this way, I wouldn’t have thought that plan A would involve waiting to see what Norwich (who are in full control of the situation) want to do about lending out an 18 year old.
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Put it this way, I wouldn’t have thought that plan A would involve waiting to see what Norwich (who are in full control of the situation) want to do about lending out an 18 year old.
We just don't know do we so I'm far from getting frustrated about it.
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Out of interest when is it ok to start getting frustrated?
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Without social media rumours Rovers fans would have nothing to talk about, as it is clear the club doesn't want us know anything and you are supporting that.
Of course fans want to know, more and more these days, but in my opinion it’s the club’s business until there’s something to announce..
Is that so difficult to understand.?
I’m not interested in knowing before a deal is done, but the fact is we’re one of only a couple of clubs that haven’t strengthened and we’ve started this season with probably the most depleted squad in the league and all we’ve done this window is make it even weaker.
It’s unbelievable really
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Out of interest when is it ok to start getting frustrated?
Any time you want, IMHO. It’s how folks deal with it that’s the issue..
I’m frustrated about the lack of signings and our lack of a no 9 since the summer, but I accept there’s nowt I can do about it..
Some folks think it’s a licence to throw all kinds of accusations about concerning the board etc, as if they’re lives depended on it.
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Yes but if we only got frustrated about stuff we can do something about we wouldn’t go watch football in the first place
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Without social media rumours Rovers fans would have nothing to talk about, as it is clear the club doesn't want us know anything and you are supporting that.
Of course fans want to know, more and more these days, but in my opinion it’s the club’s business until there’s something to announce..
Is that so difficult to understand.?
I’m not interested in knowing before a deal is done, but the fact is we’re one of only a couple of clubs that haven’t strengthened and we’ve started this season with probably the most depleted squad in the league and all we’ve done this window is make it even weaker.
It’s unbelievable really
Totally agree, we’ve had 4 months to identify targets and get the deals arranged. Now we’re a week away from the window shutting.
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I’m not saying we shouldn’t be frustrated Dickos, more that the issue is how we deal with said frustration..
Unless there had been something very controversial during a game, I’ve usually done with any frustration of losing a game before I’ve hit the A1 on my way home..
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There is a material proportion of our support about to enter a serious meltdown if they don’t see a “successful window” whatever that might mean. Tears, tantrums, not taking their bottle...it will all happen!
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Out of interest when is it ok to start getting frustrated?
It wasn't an instruction. Some people have already crossed that line. It's a personal thing and it's about perspective. I get frustrated when there's things I can do something about, like my golf swing! I don't when I can't.
Disappointed so far, perhaps would be a way to describe my feelings towards it.
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And nor should we.!
Why should the club do their transfer dealings in the public domain.??
No-one is asking how much we pay for individual players or how much they get paid a week. But it should be reasonable to have some idea of who or what positions we might be getting in the next week.
And you would be the first to moan about lack of ambition/money if they gave us names/positions etc and they didnt sign.
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Out of interest when is it ok to start getting frustrated?
It wasn't an instruction. Some people have already crossed that line. It's a personal thing and it's about perspective. I get frustrated when there's things I can do something about, like my golf swing! I don't when I can't.
Disappointed so far, perhaps would be a way to describe my feelings towards it.
It has been disappointing yes I tend to agree, we started the season with very much a depleted squad from last season and all we’ve done so far is make the squad even weaker.
We get frustrated at missed chances, poor defensive errors etc which is also something we can’t do anything about. It’s just part of being a football fan
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We need a fanrage help line, ....
and maybe some disillusioned fan meetings......
I feel the pain, I feel the energy being sucked from the room and I know many forum users are going to be needing a lot of reaffirmation councilling on the 1st of February, which will probably coincide with a spike in sales of Stella’s a t**t
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Put it this way, I wouldn’t have thought that plan A would involve waiting to see what Norwich (who are in full control of the situation) want to do about lending out an 18 year old.
It does given we only have 1 loan place available. Example the striker is a loan so then you get permanent midfielders or plan b you loan a midfielder so need to buy a striker.
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We had 6 loans at beginning of the season
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We had 6 loans at beginning of the season
It doesn’t mean we want 6 now
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Never said it did,
You said we only have one loan space available
Just correcting you
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Never said it did,
You said we only have one loan space available
Just correcting you
Actually you wasn’t, we have only one space available or you have to leave one out as you well know
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One space available for the match day squad yes, but if we were to sign two now that would still be ok.
At the minute I’d leave John out of the squad until Anderson or Wright are injured or suspended.
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whoops ! spellchecker called for!
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Piece from DFP
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/dont-dismiss-sentiment-driving-frustration-among-doncaster-rovers-supporters-business-must-be-done-week-liam-hoden-column-1376096
Any bets on the mystery loan striker who's since made a dozen appearances for his Premier League club?
The only one I can think of that fits that bill is Greenwood at Man U?
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Piece from DFP
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/dont-dismiss-sentiment-driving-frustration-among-doncaster-rovers-supporters-business-must-be-done-week-liam-hoden-column-1376096
Any bets on the mystery loan striker who's since made a dozen appearances for his Premier League club?
The only one I can think of that fits that bill is Greenwood at Man U?
If twitter is to be believed then it was Aaron Connolly of Brighton
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Blunt is currently at the keepmoat...
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Blunt is currently at the keepmoat...
I should think he is, thats where he works, allegedly 😀
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Aside from the snake leaving and DM joining, has anything happened in the background, it just seems remarkable
that the snake could get bodies in no problem, good ones at that, and now. Well.. you would think the principles are the same whoever's is the manager.. the player is targeted, then the suits do the deal.. if and it's a big IF, .... if no new bodies arrive before Friday, is there anyone on here who will not be unhappy?
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I won't be unhappy...
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I would be disappointed if we don’t bring anyone in, naturally, as we do need bodies.
But I’m not going to be dying in a ditch over it nor pelting the club/owners/chairman etc on social media..
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I won't be unhappy...
are you content with the current squad that it will see us to the end of the season then? Allowing for obvious injury concerns.. and possible suspensions...?
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I would be disappointed if we don’t bring anyone in, naturally, as we do need bodies.
But I’m not going to be dying in a ditch over it nor pelting the club/owners/chairman etc on social media..
part timer........ :lol:
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I will be disappointed. And I'm sure the club would be too. It would be a shame to miss the opportunity, especially as you never know in football when you might get the same opportunity with this set of players.
Big IF, but if we don't strengthen then the club should have something to say and explain to supporters what the score is etc. I trust and believe the club are doing the right things but as the Free Press article suggests, much of that trust and belief will ebb away very quickly if we don't add those ingredients we need to succeed.
For what it's worth, I don't think it will come to that though.
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I won't be unhappy...
are you content with the current squad that it will see us to the end of the season then? Allowing for obvious injury concerns.. and possible suspensions...?
Perhaps the current squad will, perhaps it won't. However, getting angry or unhappy about it isn't going to change matters and as IDM says, there's no point lambasting the club/chairman/owners etc...
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Moore would 100% be unhappy if we didn’t bring anyone in.
Our squad was threadbare af the end of December and we needed strengthening but all we’ve done is weaken the already lightweight squad
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Ok.
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I would be very disappointed if we didn’t bring a couple of forwards in this week. Our GK, Defence and midfield are all very good but attacking wise, Taylor and Sadlier are too inconsistent, Ennis doesn’t score and Copps at his age can’t play every game. If our aim is top 6, then we have to bring a couple in
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Word on Facebook is we have a new arrival at the Keepmoat although I'm not counting any chickens until its confirmed. Could be fake news!
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I won't be unhappy...
are you content with the current squad that it will see us to the end of the season then? Allowing for obvious injury concerns.. and possible suspensions...?
Perhaps the current squad will, perhaps it won't. However, getting angry or unhappy about it isn't going to change matters and as IDM says, there's no point lambasting the club/chairman/owners etc...
feel free to point out the exact part of my post where I have lambasted anyone? I merely asked has anything changed behind the scenes since last summer? I'll wait.....
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Blunt is currently at the keepmoat...
Are you a stalker?
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I don’t think MM was saying this would be you particularly Adam, more an element of our fan base in general..
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I don’t think MM was saying this would be you particularly Adam, more an element of our fan base in general..
I should hope not, over never been negative towards the board, owners etc. They are the reason we have a club to support.. as the phrase goes.. RTID
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feel free to point out the exact part of my post where I have lambasted anyone? I merely asked has anything changed behind the scenes since last summer? I'll wait.....
I didn't...
I don’t think MM was saying this would be you particularly Adam, more an element of our fan base in general..
this...
I don’t think MM was saying this would be you particularly Adam, more an element of our fan base in general..
I should hope not, over never been negative towards the board, owners etc. They are the reason we have a club to support.. as the phrase goes.. RTID
Chill.... :)
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Piece from DFP
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/dont-dismiss-sentiment-driving-frustration-among-doncaster-rovers-supporters-business-must-be-done-week-liam-hoden-column-1376096
Any bets on the mystery loan striker who's since made a dozen appearances for his Premier League club?
The only one I can think of that fits that bill is Greenwood at Man U?
It actually says he's gone on to make almost "two" dozen appearances,not a dozen,even more impressive,DM or/and our scouts/connections seem to know their stuff at the minute.
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One of our neighbours is a psychologist she deals with sports people and also commercial pilots before they sit exams which they have to do regularly so if anyone needs some real help I could have a word and maybe set up some Skype consultations, not sure but she may even cover PTSD if there is any need on Feb 1.
Let me know, if there are enough takers I could try and get a VSC discount :)