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Title: Man City
Post by: DRNaith on February 14, 2020, 06:47:28 pm
Can't see it mentioned elsewhere, banned from European football for two years. Ooof!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51510284
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: DearneValleyRover on February 14, 2020, 06:50:14 pm
Very interesting if they win the champions league then
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: IDM on February 14, 2020, 07:01:56 pm
There’s an appeal isn’t there.?
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: DRNaith on February 14, 2020, 07:13:01 pm
There’s an appeal isn’t there.?

Are you thinking it might be a show of strength by UEFA, with the intention of letting them off on appeal?
A public shot across the bows of any club intending to break the rules.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: RoversAlias on February 14, 2020, 07:17:29 pm
Will be interesting to see if it does withstand the appeals.

If they are banned, Sheff Utd currently occupy the replacement Champions League place in the Premier League...
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: IDM on February 14, 2020, 07:17:46 pm
No idea, only just read the link..
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: since-1969 on February 14, 2020, 07:19:10 pm
I wonder is this behind their lack of form in the PL ? Knowing their players will be leaving in there droves .
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: bedale rover on February 14, 2020, 07:19:36 pm
Did you see Man City's response?

Very strongly worded
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: IDM on February 14, 2020, 07:20:38 pm
I wonder is this behind their lack of form in the PL ? Knowing their players will be leaving in there droves .

No
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: since-1969 on February 14, 2020, 07:24:01 pm
I wonder is this behind their lack of form in the PL ? Knowing their players will be leaving in there droves .

No
Then why are they playing like runners up for most of the season, they must have known that a ban was a likely out come from day one . Players aren’t stupid their advisors will be have been talking to them about them  not playing in Europe .
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: IDM on February 14, 2020, 07:25:44 pm
So why didn’t they all f**k off in the January window.?
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: andyst79 on February 14, 2020, 07:29:21 pm
Not defending Man City, but would Uefa come down that hard on Barcelona or Real Madrid in the same circumstances?!
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: foxbat on February 14, 2020, 07:38:33 pm
why wouldn't they ?
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: DearneValleyRover on February 14, 2020, 07:54:37 pm
Not defending Man City, but would Uefa come down that hard on Barcelona or Real Madrid in the same circumstances?!

No
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: DearneValleyRover on February 14, 2020, 07:55:08 pm
why wouldn't they ?

Because they haven’t in the past
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Padge_DRFC on February 14, 2020, 07:59:22 pm
They'll get it overturned no doubt. Just get Bolton's lawyers for a good outcome
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: tyke1962 on February 14, 2020, 08:16:46 pm
I'm fairly convinced a European League is not far away and decisions like this make that more likely to happen even though I totally agree with UEFA's stance .

The European super heavy weights don't want to be bogged down with rules and regulations and some sort of level financial playing field holding them up .

Absolutely not , they see themselves as creating the champions league revenue and the reason the champions league exists at all .

With Amazon entering the football broadcast market you can see the future pretty clearly .

The day they are gone can't come quick enough for me and our own domestic football will be the better for it .

Good riddance .
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: since-1969 on February 14, 2020, 09:19:22 pm
So why didn’t they all f**k off in the January window.?
Go for Free in summer ?
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: normal rules on February 14, 2020, 09:28:57 pm
Who cares. It’s Man City. The club that literally bought success and is the epitomy of everything that is bad about football.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: IDM on February 14, 2020, 09:34:39 pm
So why didn’t they all f**k off in the January window.?
Go for Free in summer ?

Which ones are out of contract.?  You’re clutching at straws to try justify a tenuous argument..
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Dagenham Rover on February 14, 2020, 09:35:49 pm
Apparently in December 2018 Uefa said what the decision would be before any investigation took place as Man C said Uefa were  complainants, Prosecutors, jury and judge  and they are appealing and taking it to court

I don't know its just what ive read ................. 
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Draytonian III on February 14, 2020, 10:38:20 pm
Who cares. It’s Man City. The club that literally bought success and is the epitomy of everything that is bad about football.


Every club buys success in one way or another, transfers, investments .
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Colin C No.3 on February 14, 2020, 11:02:19 pm
Do you think anyone from the EFL is thinking ‘Quite right too’.?
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: since-1969 on February 14, 2020, 11:04:54 pm
So why didn’t they all f**k off in the January window.?
Go for Free in summer ?

Which ones are out of contract.?  You’re clutching at straws to try justify a tenuous argument..
Why is so hard to see why players wouldn't stay when most of their money is made by playing in Europe and contracts but out clauses include  sponsorships , appearance and goal bonuses etc ..
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: firestarter on February 14, 2020, 11:28:00 pm
Who cares.. this is a Doncaster Rovers forum isn’t it?!
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Barmby Rover on February 14, 2020, 11:49:19 pm
Cheats prosper in football, just look at Bolton. Man City will grease the palms of corrupt officials and they will carry on as normal very soon, cheating their way forward.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: phil old leake on February 15, 2020, 12:33:48 am
Let’s hope that nobody with mega money buys donny normal rules.  God forbid a money man buys players for success at our club. 
Who would you support then or would you be a hypocrite and rude the crest like all fans
Jealousy is an awful attribute
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Donnywolf on February 15, 2020, 06:33:49 am
 :that:
Blackburn "bought" the Title and success - did their fans look away ?

Wolves have bought well - are their fans delighted - of course and if they win Europa League will the Molineux Fans boycott the Open Top Bus Parade ?

And of course dont get me started on the Club who SAY they will never buy a Title - Manchester United who ever since I was a lad have been buying (or trying to buy) Trophies

Harry Gregg from Doncaster Rovers to Manchester United (better still read the extract on Wikipedia)

At the age of 18 he earned a move across the Irish Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Sea) to Doncaster Rovers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doncaster_Rovers_F.C.). In December 1957 he transferred to Manchester United (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.) for £23,000,[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gregg#cite_note-3) a world record fee for a goalkeeper at the time.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gregg#cite_note-Manutd-4)

I am not Man U bashing for the sake of it but Teams have always bought for success or what would be the point of making any signings at all ?
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: roverstillidie91 on February 15, 2020, 06:38:09 am
A really good read..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8005751/Financial-Fair-Play-UEFA-protection-racket-payback-clubs-hate-Manchester-City.html


If it had been Bayern Munich, Barcelona or Real Madid. Or Man Utd was in it they wouldn't have got banned.

Title: Re: Man City
Post by: normal rules on February 15, 2020, 06:49:37 am
Let’s hope that nobody with mega money buys donny normal rules.  God forbid a money man buys players for success at our club. 
Who would you support then or would you be a hypocrite and rude the crest like all fans
Jealousy is an awful attribute

Phil,
I’m quite happy with rovers just as they are thank you.
I’m not jealous of city one bit.
They presided over their millions while local clubs like bury, just down the road, go under.
North ferriby went under for just £8000. Pocket money for some of their players.

Hope the family is well.
D
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: i_ateallthepies on February 15, 2020, 08:17:54 am
There’s an appeal isn’t there.?

Are you thinking it might be a show of strength by UEFA, with the intention of letting them off on appeal?
A public shot across the bows of any club intending to break the rules.

If that were the outcome, DRNaith it would only cement the rogue behaviour in exactly the same way that we expect the judgement on the Bolton fiasco to do.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: IDM on February 15, 2020, 09:50:22 am
So why didn’t they all f**k off in the January window.?
Go for Free in summer ?

Which ones are out of contract.?  You’re clutching at straws to try justify a tenuous argument..
Why is so hard to see why players wouldn't stay when most of their money is made by playing in Europe and contracts but out clauses include  sponsorships , appearance and goal bonuses etc ..

What are you saying, your post doesn’t make sense..

And you didn’t answer the question.  Perhaps you can’t.. that doesn’t matter, just shows you’re probably talking b*llocks.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 15, 2020, 11:57:36 am
A really good read..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8005751/Financial-Fair-Play-UEFA-protection-racket-payback-clubs-hate-Manchester-City.html


If it had been Bayern Munich, Barcelona or Real Madid. Or Man Utd was in it they wouldn't have got banned.



Let me guess?

Daily Mail saying it's Europe out to get us? ("Us" here, of course, being Emirati royalty.)
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: boro_rover on February 15, 2020, 12:15:30 pm
I don’t really see what the problem is with teams like City “buying success”. Barca and Madrid have done it for years and get nothing but a slap on the wrist. For whatever reason a different set of rules seem to apply for “new money” clubs like City and PSG.

They may well be artificially inflating the value of sponsorships by their own owners trying to find a way to invest in their club - but to me that isn’t such a bad thing. All they are trying to do is grow their business as quickly as possible. As far as I am aware they are not loaning money to the club at inflated interest rates they are pumping money in. To me they are trying to get into a position where they have success which in turn attracts better players, raises the clubs profile and draws more fans in.

From my perspective UEFA wins out in this anyway. They have more competition for their trophies and the league is more exciting to watch.

Almost every top league in the world is dominated historically by a couple of teams, who attract the best players and who make and spend the most money. That gap grows almost every year, it is just the way football has become.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on February 15, 2020, 01:23:37 pm
We just need to think about 'fair' competition and the implications for the game going forward.

The other aspect is those clubs including City who will employ the best lawyers to exploit the loopholes in the rules and it becomes an issue of performance during court proceedings rather than the rule break itself.

We saw this with the Bolton case as it appears from the appeal, the unsatisfactory outcome was as a result of the EFL presenting a weak case with a lawyer who didn't push for a harsher sanction against Bolton, so it was more about the way the case was presented rather than the rule break itself.

If it isn't already, the game off the field is becoming more corrupt which means the whole integrity of the football pyramid is in jeopardy.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: graingrover on February 15, 2020, 01:32:37 pm
It should apply to their women’s team too .
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: The Beast on February 15, 2020, 01:45:29 pm
Nice to see UEFA standing up to state ownership of football clubs, these sheikhs have got so much money they think they can do what they want, just a shame FIFA took the money to make the most absurd decision of all time with the Qatar World Cup. I know Madrid have been sponsored by the Spanish government in the past but that doesn’t make it right, let’s have consistency and stop all this greed in football, a pipe dream I know. Hope the fine goes to grassroots, doubt it. 
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: Barmby Rover on February 15, 2020, 01:51:48 pm
Let’s hope that nobody with mega money buys donny normal rules.  God forbid a money man buys players for success at our club. 
Who would you support then or would you be a hypocrite and rude the crest like all fans
Jealousy is an awful attribute
One thing I always have said, if Rovers made the Premiership I would stop going, it would be too expensive and I don't want to watch a bunch of cheats play in those shirts.
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: eastender on February 15, 2020, 01:57:02 pm
Who cares.. this is a Doncaster Rovers forum isn’t it?!

It is , but this section as it say's on top of the VC Forum page .......

Viking Chat
The place to discuss all things red and white hooped and anything football related...
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: firestarter on February 15, 2020, 02:40:36 pm
My humble apologies.. I’m on the mobile site so can’t see that
Title: Re: Man City
Post by: DRNaith on February 15, 2020, 06:32:52 pm
There’s an appeal isn’t there.?

Are you thinking it might be a show of strength by UEFA, with the intention of letting them off on appeal?
A public shot across the bows of any club intending to break the rules.

If that were the outcome, DRNaith it would only cement the rogue behaviour in exactly the same way that we expect the judgement on the Bolton fiasco to do.

That's looking pretty likely then!