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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on February 14, 2020, 07:13:49 pm
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Pity the poor Brexitier finding out that it will take longer to clear immigration on a visit to Europe - who knew!!
https://twitter.com/ColinBrowning14/status/1227906931450425344
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It's only the foreigners he voted to stop, not the nice honest English folk travelling abroad......
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What...didn't he tick the box on the referendum voting slip that said 'I want to keep Freedom Of Movement'..?
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or the box saying ' Brexit won't affect me '.
there is going to be a lot of this until we rejoin
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Wait till the magic points system comes into play. I can't remember how all those temporary jobs will be filled? the jobs where points don't matter, temporary visas will fill the void.
Lot's talk about the points system in Australia as some sort of fix, they're right a political fix because it puts a sort of stop to freedom of movement but alll the goverenmnet does is raise the number of temp visas Australia has millions every year, same people different visa.
Employers have to prove they can't find locals to fill the job then 'sponsor' somone from O/S to fill the position. It leads to local training being cut back with many employers advertising the position in a way that makes it hard to fill, I worked for a couple of companies with branches here where companies bring in 'experts' from their base but the job being very un-special.
As for boat arrivals I'm guessing if it's anything like here yes we have stopped a lot of the boats but yet again this figure is always dwarfed the the thousands arriving by air and 'disappear'
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I am loath to post here BUT ..... Boston (Lincolnshire) I think had the highest Leave vote of the Referendum (cant be bothered to look)
The local Population and that of Wisbech (Cambridgeshire) consisted of lots of EU migrants being employed in the "fields" picking Veg and largely taking up lots of jobs that others locally could do but were not doing
Pro rata they took up kids places in Schools and Doctors appointments etc - so the local English population voted en masse to have the EU Migrants sent back to presumably free up the School places and Doctors appointments and of course space at Bostom Pilgrim Hospital which serves a huge area
That was the right of the voters and they took it and I for one defend their right to do so just as my vote should be respected by those very same people
So that will be the end of the EU Migrants and everyone will be happy wont they ? Oh but wait who will pick the Cabbages and who will do the menial tasks that need to be done.
Well I am guessing it will be lots of the people that voted to upset the status quo. Lets face it there are lots of people who wont / dont or cant work and I suspect they will be cajoled / encouraged by stopping of benefits and made to work by the Government that is pledging to make us all one equal Country
The only alternative I suspect is to pay people a massive amount to move to Boston and Wisbech and Kings Lynn etc to fill those menial jobs which of course will push up the prices of those goods and services. I include services because there will be many vacancies in many Towns that will soon need filling
Hotel receptionists - Waiters Barmen etc etc and when the current pool of labour diminishes we will STILL as a population want a Starbucks Coffee or a cheap Haircut and someone will need to do it
I knew I should not have started !
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cabbages maybe all folk could be eating in the not to distant future Wolfy.
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I say the immigrants should stay over there and pick THEIR OWN cabbages.
Shamelessly stolen from the finest 10 minute stand-up routine on attitudes to immigration.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DFLjhV9TJsQk&ved=2ahUKEwiX0bTmr9PnAhWGVhUIHSeeC-kQwqsBMAN6BAgDEBM&usg=AOvVaw2XKZu9S-OTSEBGYytPPFc9
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cabbages maybe all folk could be eating in the not to distant future Wolfy.
There'll probably be a lot of sour Krauts about.
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More like Sea cucumbers!
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Oh by the way I have had long waits every time I have flown about the Euro zone si I expect this is Parody.
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You mean the Schengen Area Sproty?
I typically fly to Schengen countries 6-8 times a year. I can't remember the last time I was queuing for more than 5 mins getting through immigration there.
Coming back here, though...
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Is Parody in the Schengen region sprot? :lol:
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This doesn't really have anything to do with brexit. Anyone returning/going to the schengan area at Amsterdam (Dutch, British or Otherwise) has to face this queue. I've been stuck in this exact queue many times in the past - its a very disorganised system (an absolutely rarity for the Dutch whose midddle name is functionalism alongside van) - they shuffle everyone with an electronic passport into the section shown on the photo, there is no lines for the queues, people don't know how to work the machines, they break down etc.
Now, travelling between Schengan countries that's the real luxury, I almost feel guilty, having my passport half out ready to show someone but no one cares.
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Oh, and while I generally get a sense that as British person I am welcomed here in the Netherlands, they are majorly fed up of British tourists in Amsterdam, and they will make it more difficult and less easy for them to travel in the future.
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Racist buggers!
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Never had a moment's trouble getting through School immigration Coops. I must have been lucky.
But yes INTRA-Schengen travel is a joy. Our border obsession only focusses on the negatives, and misses out on the massive positives of the Schengen arrangement.
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It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that we need to get people in from overseas to do those jobs whilst we have unemployment. Do local unemployed see themselves as too good for that sort of work?
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It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that we need to get people in from overseas to do those jobs whilst we have unemployment. Do local unemployed see themselves as too good for that sort of work?
It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that they thought we would be better outside the EU than we would be in it without a shred of evidence that that would be the case.
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It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that we need to get people in from overseas to do those jobs whilst we have unemployment. Do local unemployed see themselves as too good for that sort of work?
It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that they thought we would be better outside the EU than we would be in it without a shred of evidence that that would be the case.
But... Brexit means brexit?
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It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that we need to get people in from overseas to do those jobs whilst we have unemployment. Do local unemployed see themselves as too good for that sort of work?
If the locals thought they were 'too good' to pick cabbages then surely they would welcome foreign immigrants in to do that work? But clearly they don't.
This is also something I have wondered for a while with this 'points based system'. If your 'points based system is only designed to allow highly skilled workers into the country - who is going to do the hard rubbish jobs?
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Like I said Wilts, it will be the same people on different visas, cos we took back control
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After the EU referendum the Isle of Man saw quite a few Europeans leave.
It meant that the locals had to pick up the low end menial, decorating and waiting jobs. Only they demanded higher wages to do so.
Inflation jumped to 6%.
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That's an interesting bit of info BH, especially if you're on a fixed income or in fact going backwards everything from plumbing to cornflakes rises.
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After the EU referendum the Isle of Man saw quite a few Europeans leave.
It meant that the locals had to pick up the low end menial, decorating and waiting jobs. Only they demanded higher wages to do so.
Inflation jumped to 6%.
The Isle of Man has never been in the EU!
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Found this:
https://www.internationalinvestment.net/internationalinvestment/news/3500203/isle-moves-address-skilled-worker-shortage
and this:
''Financial services, manufacturing, and tourism are key sectors of the economy. The government offers low taxes and other incentives to high-technology companies and financial institutions to locate on the island; this has paid off in expanding employment opportunities in high-income industries. As a result, agriculture and fishing, once the mainstays of the economy, have declined in their contributions to GDP. The Isle of Man also attracts online gambling sites and the film industry. Online gambling sites provided about 10% of the islands income in 2014. The Isle of Man currently enjoys free access to EU markets and trade is mostly with the UK. The Isle of Man’s trade relationship with the EU derives from the United Kingdom’s EU membership and will need to be renegotiated in light of the United Kingdom’s decision to withdraw from the bloc. A transition period is expected to allow the free movement of goods and agricultural products to the EU until the end of 2020 or until a new settlement is negotiated''
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/im.html
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After the EU referendum the Isle of Man saw quite a few Europeans leave.
It meant that the locals had to pick up the low end menial, decorating and waiting jobs. Only they demanded higher wages to do so.
Inflation jumped to 6%.
The Isle of Man has never been in the EU!
I know.
My point is the inflationary effect of suddenly losing a whole load of cheap labour!
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Of course the massive irony here is that even IF EU immigration does reduce it will simply increase migration from the Commonwealth! So, not only will we have just as many migrants but even more of them will have different coloured skin! That’s sure to send the racists into a rage!
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Of course the massive irony here is that even IF EU immigration does reduce it will simply increase migration from the Commonwealth! So, not only will we have just as many migrants but even more of them will have different coloured skin! That’s sure to send the racists into a rage!
Yeah, what do people think we're going to offer India in a free trade deal? :laugh:
Erm... Would you like some lovely immigration.
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It says a lot about the psyche of a lot of English people that we need to get people in from overseas to do those jobs whilst we have unemployment. Do local unemployed see themselves as too good for that sort of work?
If the locals thought they were 'too good' to pick cabbages then surely they would welcome foreign immigrants in to do that work? But clearly they don't.
This is also something I have wondered for a while with this 'points based system'. If your 'points based system is only designed to allow highly skilled workers into the country - who is going to do the hard rubbish jobs?
Maybe the government's plan is to stop unemployment benefits to force people into these 'menial' jobs? Would certainly meet with approval from a large section of England. I wonder how many of the unemployed voted leave, and how many would be happy with that situation if it happened to them?
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This is what universal credit is all about, instead of being a welfare payment to support you while you find work it's an obstacle course used to beat you over the head and blame you because you can't get a job. Meanwhile the murdoch media feeds out the lies so people start to believe that those that can't get work are lazy f**kers and turn against their own.
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This is what universal credit is all about, instead of being a welfare payment to support you while you find work it's an obstacle course used to beat you over the head and blame you because you can't get a job. Meanwhile the murdoch media feeds out the lies so people start to believe that those that can't get work are lazy f**kers and turn against their own.
What's it got to do with you,you ran away years ago and now you're our resident 'WHINGING POM' your on the wrong Doncaster Rovers forum you numpty!
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Grow up Sproty :)
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This is what universal credit is all about, instead of being a welfare payment to support you while you find work it's an obstacle course used to beat you over the head and blame you because you can't get a job. Meanwhile the murdoch media feeds out the lies so people start to believe that those that can't get work are lazy f**kers and turn against their own.
What's it got to do with you,you ran away years ago and now you're our resident 'WHINGING POM' your on the wrong Doncaster Rovers forum you numpty!
Sproty, I left Donny years ago but still feel passionate about my home town and it's football club. Have I lost the right to both care and comment on all things Donny?
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idler. As long as you don't get all your Doncaster information from a lefty rag and take it as gospel in favour of those who actually live in Donny, I don't see a problem.
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Grow up Sproty :)
You have no say, stick to soccer subjects but you have no say on this or any other Uk Political forum.
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This is what universal credit is all about, instead of being a welfare payment to support you while you find work it's an obstacle course used to beat you over the head and blame you because you can't get a job. Meanwhile the murdoch media feeds out the lies so people start to believe that those that can't get work are lazy f**kers and turn against their own.
What's it got to do with you,you ran away years ago and now you're our resident 'WHINGING POM' your on the wrong Doncaster Rovers forum you numpty!
Sproty, I left Donny years ago but still feel passionate about my home town and it's football club. Have I lost the right to both care and comment on all things Donny?
Idler your opinion is welcome but you speak in moderation not like our Whingeing Pom buddy!he ran away from Us years ago I don't mind his contributions to our soccer forum,but he is not resident here he has his new adopted country and has no place on here being disrespectful to UK citizens.
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It seems we have new moderators and rules on the forum - when did we elect you then?
And I thought we had freedom of speech in this country. Freedom for some people to speak it would appear.
Welcome to Brexit Britain - expect a lot of more of this.
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It's strange isn't it (or not) when the only pathetic answer is you don't live here? it sounds very brexity.
Lots of those on the forum obviously know each other but many don't and may have no idea to whom they are dispensing their wisdom.
When the only thing you have left to fight with is xenophobia it's time to give it away and go get a life.
Otherwise we could draw circles rediating out from the ground with those living the closest having the most say?
I see you're still struggling for revelance bb, keep it up if it makes you feel better.
If you need further ammo to attack me I'm black, female and gay.
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Oh I didn't realise you were Black, female and gay, Syderney. You are therefore exempt of any criticism for fear of people being colour prejudiced, sexist and homophobic. Carry on with your xenophobia.
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It's strange isn't it (or not) when the only pathetic answer is you don't live here? it sounds very brexity.
Lots of those on the forum obviously know each other but many don't and may have no idea to whom they are dispensing their wisdom.
When the only thing you have left to fight with is xenophobia it's time to give it away and go get a life.
Otherwise we could draw circles rediating out from the ground with those living the closest having the most say?
I see you're still struggling for revelance bb, keep it up if it makes you feel better.
If you need further ammo to attack me I'm black, female and gay.
So Donald Trump's a kiddy fiddler, and BB's a racist, misogynist, homophobe?
Wow, you've really pushed the boat out this time Sydney.
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idler. As long as you don't get all your Doncaster information from a lefty rag and take it as gospel in favour of those who actually live in Donny, I don't see a problem.
I can ask my friends and family that still live in Donny BB. We don't always agree though.😉
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It's strange isn't it (or not) when the only pathetic answer is you don't live here? it sounds very brexity.
Lots of those on the forum obviously know each other but many don't and may have no idea to whom they are dispensing their wisdom.
When the only thing you have left to fight with is xenophobia it's time to give it away and go get a life.
Otherwise we could draw circles rediating out from the ground with those living the closest having the most say?
I see you're still struggling for revelance bb, keep it up if it makes you feel better.
If you need further ammo to attack me I'm black, female and gay.
So Donald Trump's a kiddy fiddler, and BB's a racist, misogynist, homophobe?
Wow, you've really pushed the boat out this time Sydney.
If you're asking bb to wear that it's up to you but don't put words in my mouth thanks Steve
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It seems we have new moderators and rules on the forum - when did we elect you then?
And I thought we had freedom of speech in this country. Freedom for some people to speak it would appear.
Welcome to Brexit Britain - expect a lot of more of this.
He does not live here, he has no say , he moved to Australia over 10 years ago, what has his opinion and his purile Posts got do do with us.
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SydneyRover. Why would I want to attack you because you're black, female and gay?
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Word of advice Sproty.
See how far up this pyramid you can get. You're struggling on the lower levels at the moment.
(https://i.redd.it/vuebnt4kxro01.png)
A good rule of thumb. If you can't hit the top three levels, you really should be asking yourself why you are getting involved.
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SydneyRover. Why would I want to attack you because you're black, female and gay?
I suppose it's your propensity to attack the man and not the ball or the argument, I think I'm correct in saying you were the first to start banging on about where I live, which has f**k all to do with anything. :)
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Word of advice Sproty.
See how far up this pyramid you can get. You're struggling on the lower levels at the moment.
(https://i.redd.it/vuebnt4kxro01.png)
A good rule of thumb. If you can't hit the top three levels, you really should be asking yourself why you are getting involved.
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Oh no it's der graph Von Billy!
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There we go. That's "Ad Hominem" level.
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SydneyRover. Why would I want to attack you because you're black, female and gay?
I suppose it's your propensity to attack the man and not the ball or the argument, I think I'm correct in saying you were the first to start banging on about where I live, which has f**k all to do with anything. :)
But why would I want to attack you because you're black, female and gay?
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This is not the B****t I voted for (or didnt in my case)
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/this-is-how-many-europeans-are-staying-in-yorkshire-after-brexit-1-10255123?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ypreshare&fbclid=IwAR1r4NY5ay2m5gU3Im6VSuCI8e-eBudDmA0q3QmQaGa06q5Z0tq0LUpxj2k
121000 EU citizens have been granted "settled" status JUST in Yorkshire. They are spilt something like 75000 who can stay "forever" and 45000 who can stay for 5 years no questions asked and then apply to join the 75000
Looks like I was wrong again. Those Cabbage picking jobs will be filled after all but the Doctors will still be full and School places too by the look of it
Full article linked above but I reckon if my Maths is right 1,500,000 (one and a half Million) people pro rata will be staying in England. I havent calculated the rest of the UK and I am on the fence as to whether that is right or wrong but given what a lot of people have told me in my own family and closes friend - that they voted to get rid of so called "immigrants" it looks like they will not get what they voted for
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Immigration control was the carrot to attract votes without being ever likely to become a realistic or sensible policy.
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Immigration control was the carrot to attract votes without being ever likely to become a realistic or sensible policy.
Serves leave voters right for believing the lie in the first place! I wonder how they'll feel once the other lies come home to roost?
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Going on past form NNK, I suspect the timeline will be as follows.
1) Claim that what Johnson promised actually has happened.
2) When it's obvious that it hasn't happened, claim he never said that anyway.
3) When the evidence is shown that he did say that, claim it doesn't matter anyway.
4) When the extent of the problem is made clear, blame Remoaners for hammering on about it instead of joining hands and singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me".
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Word of advice Sproty.
See how far up this pyramid you can get. You're struggling on the lower levels at the moment.
(https://i.redd.it/vuebnt4kxro01.png)
A good rule of thumb. If you can't hit the top three levels, you really should be asking yourself why you are getting involved.
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Oh no it's der graph Von Billy!
Taken from another topic which I will be completely correct about
Quote from: Sprotyrover on February 11, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: Filo on February 11, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
If a member of the public did this they would be looking a jail
https://youtu.be/g_hZkvzbmAc
You should have been a Judge not a Taxi driver! My first thought is where is the rest of the video, the part that shows the build up to the blow being struck.dont be surprised when the true facts emerge and our injured party was in the act of attacking another person, Police officers are trained to aim for the upper thigh or next option the area between the shoulder blade and neck, how you are supposed to do this when persons are rolling around fighting is beyond me.no doubt there will be other film in the hands of the Police and as SM stated the IOPC will investigate.quite interesting though to observe some of the comments on this thread from our Forum members.
I have no idea what the context of this event is.
But if you watch that video and say that the copper hit the lad while he was rolling around on the floor fighting, I can see why you struggle to reach sensible conclusions on everything else we talk about Sproty.
Where are you on your Pyramid.
By the way Maslow won't be happy about you plagiarising his 'hierarchy of needs for your own stupid ends'....is it something you try to intimidate the school kids with?
You'l be upsetting Bettari next, your attitude affects my attitude!
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Sproty.
1) Yeah, I'm not above the odd ad hominem. But they are generally provoked by folk who don't climb higher up that pyramid. I know. I shouldn't sink to that level, but we're none of us perfect.
2) That's not Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. This is.
(https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow-5.jpg)
PS: That's a Refutation. Been doing a lot of that for years on various discussions in here. The response to that is usually being told I'm condescending or a clever t**t.
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Sproty.
1) Yeah, I'm not above the odd ad hominem. But they are generally provoked by folk who don't climb higher up that pyramid. I know. I shouldn't sink to that level, but we're none of us perfect.
2) That's not Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. This is.
(https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow-5.jpg)
PS: That's a Refutation. Been doing a lot of that for years on various discussions in here. The response to that is usually being told I'm condescending or a clever t**t.
You are a valued contributor on this form you most certainly ain't a tw*t
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Sproty.
1) Yeah, I'm not above the odd ad hominem. But they are generally provoked by folk who don't climb higher up that pyramid. I know. I shouldn't sink to that level, but we're none of us perfect.
2) That's not Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. This is.
(https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow-5.jpg)
PS: That's a Refutation. Been doing a lot of that for years on various discussions in here. The response to that is usually being told I'm condescending or a clever t**t.
You are a valued contributor on this form you most certainly ain't a tw*t
He’s from Denaby, being a t**t is in the make up 🤪
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I didn't imagine blokes from Denaby used make-up. Mind you, looking at his avatar he doesn't use enough.
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I didn't imagine blokes from Denaby used make-up. Mind you, looking at his avatar he doesn't use enough.
Can make-up improve gargoyles?
I've got to f*cking try something.
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I didn't imagine blokes from Denaby used make-up. Mind you, looking at his avatar he doesn't use enough.
It's just a ruse to people underestimate me.
I do it with work sometimes. Let slip that I'm from Denaby to get them to think I'm going to be thick.
If that doesn't work, I tell them I'm from Bentley. Via Scawsby.
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You remember Brexit was all about taking back control?
Do you really want to give control to a Govt that sent a letter to a 101 year old telling him to get his parents to fill in a residency form for him?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/12/home-office-tells-man-101-his-parents-must-confirm-id
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I didn't imagine blokes from Denaby used make-up. Mind you, looking at his avatar he doesn't use enough.
It's just a ruse to people underestimate me.
I do it with work sometimes. Let slip that I'm from Denaby to get them to think I'm going to be thick.
If that doesn't work, I tell them I'm from Bentley. Via Scawsby.
Well, it certainly works!
Hope you never have to big yersen up about living in Bentley or Scawsby.
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I didn't imagine blokes from Denaby used make-up. Mind you, looking at his avatar he doesn't use enough.
It's just a ruse to people underestimate me.
I do it with work sometimes. Let slip that I'm from Denaby to get them to think I'm going to be thick.
If that doesn't work, I tell them I'm from Bentley. Via Scawsby.
Well, it certainly works!
Hope you never have to big yersen up about living in Bentley or Scawsby.
Yeah, it might be too much of a cultural leap.
I once went out with a lass from Denaby. Her breath was that bad I used to look forward to her farts.
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I caught the 1958 train to Denaby once. It was late. When I got there it was 1970.
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I caught the 1958 train to Denaby once. It was late. When I got there it was 1970.
You must have seen some tin baths then BB.
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Denaby station closed in 1949.
Course, I understand the mail coach might have been late getting the news to Bentley.
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The daily mail coach had a lot of copies to dispatch in them days, you must understand.
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a comment, not mine from the lefty guardian today:
Sorry to keep posting this, but these jokers need to be held to account.
The free trade agreement we will have to do should be one of the easiest in human history - Liam Fox 2016
The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want - Michael Gove 2016
There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market - Boris Johnson 2016
Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit - Lord Digby Jones 2016
After we vote Leave, we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU - Leave Campaign 2016
We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover. We will not impose checks at the port. The only reason we would have queues at the border is if we put in place restrictions that created those queues. We are not going to do that - Chris Grayling 2018
Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market - Daniel Hannan 2016
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https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/02/19/the-end-of-free-movement-this-is-a-nation-dismantling-itself
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No one from Yorkshire allowed to read the news, ere by gum, it's yer 6 o clock news.
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Yet another example of how Brexit has allowed somebody to take back control.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-google-privacy-eu-exclusive-idUSKBN20D2M3
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I've just realised, with a depressing thump, what this Government's approach is going to be for the next 5 years.
Brexit is going to be a f**king nightmare. It's going to make us a lot poorer. So we have to blame it on someone else.
This week, we've already had migrants and the children of poor people held up as the problems.
And then this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Number10press/status/1229893225663602693
They are going to continue to blame the EU for all our ills. They are complaining that Barnier has said a Canada-TYPE deal isn't on the table.
Except he DIDN'T say that. He said the exact same deal that Canada has with the EU isn't suitable for a UK-EU relationship. He never once said a Canada-TYPE deal isn't on the table.
What responsible Government would hear him say that and then out out that lying tweet? None, of course. But a Govt that assumed you're too f**king thick to realise when you're being lied to by them would, if it wanted to blame someone else for the disaster its own policies will produce.
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Looks like the EU nations are realising how much poorer they are without our contributions helping them bob along Billy, It looks like a bit of a cat fight at the moment, tick tock tick tock, It will be interesting who picks up the payments now, French farmers not very happy, and I suppose their fishermen will soon get the hump.
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I've just realised, with a depressing thump, what this Government's approach is going to be for the next 5 years.
Brexit is going to be a f**king nightmare. It's going to make us a lot poorer. So we have to blame it on someone else.
This week, we've already had migrants and the children of poor people held up as the problems.
And then this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Number10press/status/1229893225663602693
They are going to continue to blame the EU for all our ills. They are complaining that Barnier has said a Canada-TYPE deal isn't on the table.
Except he DIDN'T say that. He said the exact same deal that Canada has with the EU isn't suitable for a UK-EU relationship. He never once said a Canada-TYPE deal isn't on the table.
What responsible Government would hear him say that and then out out that lying tweet? None, of course. But a Govt that assumed you're too f**king thick to realise when you're being lied to by them would, if it wanted to blame someone else for the disaster its own policies will produce.
Which is very odd because in 2017 the EU stated that a Canada style free trade deal was possible. Now the EU are stating that it’s not possible without the UK fully aligning itself to EU rules, which is against our wishes. The EU are in danger of backing themselves into a corner here. Not only are they contradicting their own preferred Brexit arrangement but they are also in danger of pushing the UK towards a WTO deal which would leave the UK with comparative regulatory freedom. The EU can not afford to have such a powerful economy on its doorstep with the freedom to trade how and with whom it wants.
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Herbert.
Go on. Where has the EU said that we must have full alignment with the EU rules?
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Herbert.
Go on. Where has the EU said that we must have full alignment with the EU rules?
Billy
On Feb 18th the FT reported that the EU is toughening it’s stance on Brexit. It quotes a commission spokesman as saying:
“We have been together for over half a century. Dover is only a few kilometres from Calais. The UK cannot expect high quality access to the single market if it insists on diverging from our rules.”
The EU draft mandate said the UK should continue to honour EU regulations on Tax, State Aid and social policies. This mandate is in the process of being rewritten to include the requirement of a level regulatory playing field that will stand the test of time.
In 2017 (when the EU felt there was a good chance Brexit wouldn’t happen) they were actively encouraging a ‘Canada style’ trade agreement. Now, they’re saying this can only be a possibility if the UK agrees to aggressive regulatory alignment with them.
Would you agree to this?
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So yeah. A Canada-Type deal, in terms of what the benefits to us will be. But with some conditions to protect the EU because the EU-UK market is about 13 times bigger and 1000 times closer than the EU-Canada market.
No-one has said that there would have to be FULL alignment with the EU rules.
Of course, you might just want to take a step back and review the path we've trodden.
Back in early 2016, the idea that we'd leave the SM was, apparently, Project Fear. And we'd hold all the cards in negotiations. And it would be the easiest negotiations in history. And the EU would come begging for a deal.
The people who said that lied to you. They are now running the country. Do you think they are telling you the truth now?