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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on February 17, 2020, 11:56:33 am
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After the display on Saturday, which was full of effort and endevour, without having much luck to go with it, how we respond is vital to the rest of the season.
We can now feel sorry for ourselves and feel that all hope has gone of actually achieving something this season, or stand up to be counted and really have a go at finishing as high as possible, and have a real go to finish the season well.
Our problem all season has been consistency of results, not helped by surrendering cup games, making constant changes to the starting line up, and in some cases injuries in a small squad, but in my mind some are self inflicted, change for change sake, if we are to go on a run picking our best players in a consistent line up is now imperative injury allowing, chopping and changing works very rarely.
Will Coppinger be rested enough after ten days rest? Will Taylor return after his rest? will Amos come in at left back?
Lot's to discuss about this game, please have your say.
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With the exception of Fleetwood vs Portsmouth every team in the mix could well be winning this weekend. Let’s assume that is what will happen. We simply have to win this weekend. We aren’t going to make 9 points up in 12 games when 66% are away from home.
We need our best team out and people playing in correct positions. IMO we missed the width from James with John at LB. I think we would have more flow and shape with Amos in there. Plus he has a mean free kick/cross on him.
Ennis up front. Sads, Copps and Taylor behind him. Bens in front of the back 4 including Amos.
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Danny Amos has very good left foot cross better than James but not been in the first yet because of his defensive qualities. He’s better on the attacking side than defending. Danny is for me abetter wingback that an out and out fullback. DM will make the right choice.
The team will have the time together with no mid week game. DM will be able to assess the squad and will make the right decision who plays and in what formation.
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With the exception of Fleetwood vs Portsmouth every team in the mix could well be winning this weekend. Let’s assume that is what will happen. We simply have to win this weekend. We aren’t going to make 9 points up in 12 games when 66% are away from home.
We need our best team out and people playing in correct positions. IMO we missed the width from James with John at LB. I think we would have more flow and shape with Amos in there. Plus he has a mean free kick/cross on him.
Ennis up front. Sads, Copps and Taylor behind him. Bens in front of the back 4 including Amos.
I wouldn’t argue about that line up 5on tour.
No doubt some posters will have a pop at me for saying this but we do need a LB in the LB position.
CJ does look lost there and we really missed the attacking threat that James provides.
Cam just doesn’t do that and the two crosses that he sailed into the south stand against Bolton emphasised what we were missing.
I haven’t seen much of Amos but what I have seen tells me that he is more like James in his potential to get forward and be able to assist our attack as well as defend capably.
I was surprised that Moore left both Copps and Sads out at Gillingham when both were very influential in the victory last Tuesday.
In a game that appears to be a must win one, I hope that they are reinstated at Shrewsbury.
Ennis over Cole is also my preferred front man in Okenabirhies’ absence.
I have yet to see enough from Cole to warrant him getting a starting place.
The top six are beginning to pull away from us now when it isn’t long ago that our games in hand would have given us a top four position.
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Cole was a real handful at Tranmere, it was refreshing to see such a physical presence up front for the first time this season. It's strange how he hasn't really shown much in the games since but I think DM might go with him on saturday with Ennis probably out wide again.
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I see this as an opportunity to blood a couple of youngsters , perhaps Amos And Watters to start, ...
these young men are supposed to be the future so let’s get them in the team and see what they can do....
If it looks like it’s not working bang on a couple of first teamers.....
Not a popular response, but a measured one nonetheless
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We need to win if we are serious about chasing the top six.
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Wow, the lack of interest on this thread is deafening, and apparently in the game itself. The North Branch have had to cancel their coach because they couldn't get the numbers.
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Maybe some fans are still stunned after Saturday. I also think that the spread of away games might take it’s toll in interest unless we pick up some points.
Again I think that the last few games and Frey’s dismissal have knocked the wind out of a few sails. Hopefully a couple of good wins will pick everyone up.
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I'm working in Telford so will be going , just looking to see if their is any off street parking or just the park and ride for a £5
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I'm working in Telford so will be going , just looking to see if their is any off street parking or just the park and ride for a £5
Last time I went I parked at a pub not far from the ground for free, I’ll see if I can find the name and let you know.
Edit* ‘The Charles Darwin’ about a 15-20 minute walk. It was the season Keshi scored for us mind so possibly may be a charge now.
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Me & my lad going, looking forward to it.
Must admit I've been leaving it late to order tickets in case it got called off.
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Wow, the lack of interest on this thread is deafening, and apparently in the game itself. The North Branch have had to cancel their coach because they couldn't get the numbers.
Looks that way - and I am guessing around 300 Rovers fans there ?
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"Ricketts, whose side are 10 without a win in the league, will be monitoring injured trio Shaun Whalley, Brad Walker and Josh Vela in the hope at least one will be fit enough to play.
Town have taken four points from the last 30 available and are also without a clean sheet during that run."
think that sums the match up just like i summed the Southend match up the same way . But in reality in the Southend match they should have taken a 1-0 lead early on when the left back (who will remain nameless gifted a goal with a short back pass) and the goalie saved the day.
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CLH, our record of getting teams out of bad runs of form is legendary, in this case I hope we keep them in that bad run of form, but my first instinct when i read your post was OHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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"Ricketts, whose side are 10 without a win in the league, will be monitoring injured trio Shaun Whalley, Brad Walker and Josh Vela in the hope at least one will be fit enough to play.
Town have taken four points from the last 30 available and are also without a clean sheet during that run."
think that sums the match up just like i summed the Southend match up the same way . But in reality in the Southend match they should have taken a 1-0 lead early on when the left back (who will remain nameless gifted a goal with a short back pass) and the goalie saved the day.
As Selby says. Please SHUT UP. ( Intended in the nicest possible way CLH of course )
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We didn’t get Gillingham out of their run of form though.
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It’s an unfortunate twist of fate that Fejiri won’t be able to play against his former club.
He would have been looking forward to that, and I know many of their fans were dreading it.
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I've left it late to get my ticket so I'm paying on the gate, there's 4 of us driving down this morning.
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Well done Jimmydee and mates, easy with the weather to give it a miss, great club, great fans.
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Another new ground for me and my son.
See you there!
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I see this as an opportunity to blood a couple of youngsters , perhaps Amos And Watters to start, ...
these young men are supposed to be the future so let’s get them in the team and see what they can do....
If it looks like it’s not working bang on a couple of first teamers.....
Not a popular response, but a measured one nonetheless
Amos for John & Watters for who?
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Another new ground for me and my son.
See you there!
Enjoy it - I always like to see a new Ground.
Running out now with 11 left mostly Southern ones of course but with a bit of luck some like Exeter and Plymouth will come up ready for next Season (always assuming we dont go up of course).
Supporters coaches a godsend as I cant be bothered to drive
Shrews tidy enough
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I see this as an opportunity to blood a couple of youngsters , perhaps Amos And Watters to start, ...
these young men are supposed to be the future so let’s get them in the team and see what they can do....
If it looks like it’s not working bang on a couple of first teamers.....
Not a popular response, but a measured one nonetheless
Amos for John & Watters for who?
Waters at Maidstone now anyway.
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"Ricketts, whose side are 10 without a win in the league, will be monitoring injured trio Shaun Whalley, Brad Walker and Josh Vela in the hope at least one will be fit enough to play.
Town have taken four points from the last 30 available and are also without a clean sheet during that run."
think that sums the match up just like i summed the Southend match up the same way . But in reality in the Southend match they should have taken a 1-0 lead early on when the left back (who will remain nameless gifted a goal with a short back pass) and the goalie saved the day.
As Selby says. Please SHUT UP. ( Intended in the nicest possible way CLH of course )
................. i've just been checking Shrewsbury's F A Cup form against (with respect) much better teams than Rovers and they drew with high flying Bristol City away before disposing of them in the replay and then unbelievably did a "Lazarus" (came back from the dead) against the future Premier Division Champions Liverpool before losing by the odd goal in the replay. Obviously this is going to be a tough match for Rovers. Fingers crossed this is going to be a "tough one" :thumbdown:
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I think last week was a major blow with the manner of the defeat gifting Gillingham the game on a platter.
This has now become a must win game with the added self inflicted pressure to get a good result. If DM can convert that pressure and get the boys to play positively, we're more than capable of getting 3 points.
Every game is a cup final now. No time for hesitation hoping we nick a goal, it should be full on desire to win.
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It's cold have another pint before you get into the ground
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Curse of Copps being subbed strikes again 1-0
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Curse of Copps being subbed strikes again 1-0
Keep on believing that if you like, but I would suggest that the issues with the starting lineup, get that right and we might get back to winning.
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Curse of Copps being subbed strikes again 1-0
Keep on believing that if you like, but I would suggest that the issues with the starting lineup, get that right and we might get back to winning.
Agreed ND.
Team selection is very strange just now.
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Maybe all this pissing about with the team isn’t doing us any good.
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Curse of Copps being subbed strikes again 1-0
Keep on believing that if you like, but I would suggest that the issues with the starting lineup, get that right and we might get back to winning.
Agreed ND.
Team selection is very strange just now.
Talk about the need for consistency then drop your one attacking player who is probably playing his best football of the season in this last 3-4 weeks. Beyond strange if you ask me.
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Maybe all this pissing about with the team isn’t doing us any good.
You think!?
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Curse of Copps being subbed strikes again 1-0
Keep on believing that if you like, but I would suggest that the issues with the starting lineup, get that right and we might get back to winning.
Agreed ND.
Team selection is very strange just now.
Talk about the need for consistency then drop your one attacking player who is probably playing his best football of the season in this last 3-4 weeks. Beyond strange if you ask me.
None of which will be encouraging him to sign for next season.
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I think last week was a major blow with the manner of the defeat gifting Gillingham the game on a platter.
This has now become a must win game with the added self inflicted pressure to get a good result. If DM can convert that pressure and get the boys to play positively, we're more than capable of getting 3 points.
Every game is a cup final now. No time for hesitation hoping we nick a goal, it should be full on desire to win.
Not sure why we leave Sadlier on the bench when the time for experimenting with formations has now past.
I'm not the manager, he can explain that one but it feels like opportunities have been allowed to slip through our fingers.
I'm sure the doom mongers will be along shortly to tell us the 'truth' behind it.
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I think last week was a major blow with the manner of the defeat gifting Gillingham the game on a platter.
This has now become a must win game with the added self inflicted pressure to get a good result. If DM can convert that pressure and get the boys to play positively, we're more than capable of getting 3 points.
Every game is a cup final now. No time for hesitation hoping we nick a goal, it should be full on desire to win.
Not sure why we leave Sadlier on the bench when the time for experimenting with formations has now past.
I'm not the manager, he can explain that one but it feels like opportunities have been allowed to slip through our fingers.
I'm sure the doom mongers will be along shortly to tell us the 'truth' behind it.
Undoubtedly a labyrinthine conspiracy theory involving the board, the transfer policy, the club's finances, selection policy, last season's play-offs, the Illuminati and the Zapruder footage.
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Curse of Copps being subbed strikes again 1-0
Keep on believing that if you like, but I would suggest that the issues with the starting lineup, get that right and we might get back to winning.
Agreed ND.
Team selection is very strange just now.
Talk about the need for consistency then drop your one attacking player who is probably playing his best football of the season in this last 3-4 weeks. Beyond strange if you ask me.
None of which will be encouraging him to sign for next season.
He won't Hound, and I doubt he'll be the only star player leaving.
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I can’t understand why Sadlier isn’t starting games. He’s our best attacking option
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No doubt that the rose tinted brigade will be able to explain that one.
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
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DBR, your first sentence in post number 34 is probably one of the reasons, which I agree with by the way.
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
So everything that's been said on here about today's performance is wrong?
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
I wish I'd got a glass :suicide:
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I can’t understand why Sadlier isn’t starting games. He’s our best attacking option
Have to agree with this, there seems no rhyme nor reason for leaving him out.
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A winning team is generally a settled team. We’ve been anything but that since the transfer window shut.
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There are no facts , no nothings....just a team that isn’t good enough to beat the other team...
Nobody wants the team to lose, but they are, and it’s becoming a consistent, ill take a top 12 position now, but think that it will be a bit lower, ( which I’m ok with )
This year DM can be forgiven.....but next year ?
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Is he carrying a knock?
Has he been ill?
Is DM cheesed off with him for not signing the contract?
If none of the above then I'm totally bemused
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Is he carrying a knock?
Has he been ill?
Is DM cheesed off with him for not signing the contract?
If none of the above then I'm totally bemused
My guess would be the contract issue.
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
DBR, you have said yourself that our play off hopes have been allowed to slip away too easily.
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
We lost and didn’t play our strongest team. Without any injury justification for those players like Sads and Taylor on the bench.
Not sure if that makes my glass half empty, half full or any other bullshit saying you’re interested in. But they’re the facts.
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I think last week was a major blow with the manner of the defeat gifting Gillingham the game on a platter.
This has now become a must win game with the added self inflicted pressure to get a good result. If DM can convert that pressure and get the boys to play positively, we're more than capable of getting 3 points.
Every game is a cup final now. No time for hesitation hoping we nick a goal, it should be full on desire to win.
Not sure why we leave Sadlier on the bench when the time for experimenting with formations has now past.
I'm not the manager, he can explain that one but it feels like opportunities have been allowed to slip through our fingers.
I'm sure the doom mongers will be along shortly to tell us the 'truth' behind it.
Undoubtedly a labyrinthine conspiracy theory involving the board, the transfer policy, the club's finances, selection policy, last season's play-offs, the Illuminati and the Zapruder footage.
We play on a grassy knoll nowadays...
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Sadlier’s omission from the the starting 11 is very bizarre, i must agree.
Although we didn’t play at our best by a long way, we were far better than Shrewsbury and should never have lost that game.
Decision making in the penalty area with the wrong pass cost us along with the wood work and the keeper making a couple of very good saves.
Goals win matches and we didn’t score, it’s as simple as that. If we had scored 2 of the several chances we created today then everyone would be saying what a good performance it had been. Yes they would.
We didn’t play as badly as is being suggested imo & it is the result which defines most of the negative or positive comments that are made after every game.
We have played far worse than that and won.
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Darren wanted to play the diamond today, that meant sacrificing the wingers. It didn't work, hopefully it's one to learn from for the future.
We were certainly more threatening in the area once Sadlier and Taylor came on and we went to the 4-2-3-1, but nevermind.
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Darren wanted to play the diamond today, that meant sacrificing the wingers. It didn't work, hopefully it's one to learn from for the future.
We were certainly more threatening in the area once Sadlier and Taylor came on and we went to the 4-2-3-1, but nevermind.
Cheers for that info RA.
So he is not only tinkering with the personnel but also the system that has served us so well up to now.
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The last two games must be the worst two games back to back I have ever seen by a left back in all my time watching Doncaster Rovers.
180 minutes of being the obvious weakness in our defence and targeted by the opposition at every opportunity.
Amos sat watching those two displays must wonder what he has to do to get a game.
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Brian, it has been obvious to me for weeks that Cameron isn’t good at LB so I am not surprised at your comment.
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This is such a ridiculous situation. It’s not as if we’re talking about a sub-standard player. Cameron John is a really promising centre half and we risk undermining his confidence and development by hanging him out to dry in an unfamiliar position. This isn’t all down to Reece James being injured either as John was intermittently picked ahead of him before the injury.
Amos should get a go in his position while James is injured. And John should be pushing our centre halves but having to settle for a place on the bench for the moment.
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
DBR, you have said yourself that our play off hopes have been allowed to slip away too easily.
I wasn't referring to the match as such and our genuine fans critique of the game, I was referring to those who will lay blame on the board, financial cut backs, wanting to sell Cantley Park etc, etc.
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I've been saying it for weeks and I'll say it again, to much tinkering from DM, no one seems settled, copps, Sadlier and Taylor can't be happy behind scene, as soon as they have a decent game they get dropped, and John a left back, give me a break
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I'm sure the glass half empty brigade will present the facts!
DBR, you have said yourself that our play off hopes have been allowed to slip away too easily.
Fair enough DBR.
Too many people though jump on any post which doesn’t suggest that a Rovers will walk into the top six or suggests that certain players are having a tough time.
I wasn't referring to the match as such and our genuine fans critique of the game, I was referring to those who will lay blame on the board, financial cut backs, wanting to sell Cantley Park etc, etc.
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Everything I feared and was posting about around the transfer window now seems to becoming to fruition,
Instead of just solving the striker problem, to many peoples joy we went the step further and signed more players than we needed, and are now paying the price of players sat watching games who had got us into a good place before Christmas, when we had a finite number of players good enough to play at this level, and picking a team to play was easy.
Now we have players, Talented yes, but not strong enough or experienced enough to take a game by the scruff of the neck and dominate it, and players like Coppinger playing ever decreasing bit parts sat watching on the bench as much as on the field of play.
Luck is also playing a part, with a bit of luck we could well have won both the last two games, not being the worst teams on the pitch, but in front of goal you make your own luck, and the lack of any mention on what looked like a nailed on penalty for a tackle on Coppinger yesterday being a pointer to our acceptance of losing again.
The attendance and result of next weeks home game could be a pointer of what the club can expect in the take up of next seasons season ticket renewals if things carry on, which is the fear I have had for a week or two, having seen the same situation arise at a number of clubs and here in the past.
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Everything I feared and was posting about around the transfer window now seems to becoming to fruition,
Instead of just solving the striker problem, to many peoples joy we went the step further and signed more players than we needed, and are now paying the price of players sat watching games who had got us into a good place before Christmas, when we had a finite number of players good enough to play at this level, and picking a team to play was easy.
Now we have players, Talented yes, but not strong enough or experienced enough to take a game by the scruff of the neck and dominate it, and players like Coppinger playing ever decreasing bit parts sat watching on the bench as much as on the field of play.
Luck is also playing a part, with a bit of luck we could well have won both the last two games, not being the worst teams on the pitch, but in front of goal you make your own luck, and the lack of any mention on what looked like a nailed on penalty for a tackle on Coppinger yesterday being a pointer to our acceptance of losing again.
The attendance and result of next weeks home game could be a pointer of what the club can expect in the take up of next seasons season ticket renewals if things carry on, which is the fear I have had for a week or two, having seen the same situation arise at a number of clubs and here in the past.
The Copp's incident ,it looked like their player got his foot in front of Copp's and played the ball. Copp's then kicked their blokes heel, IMO.
No Pen for me.
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Everything I feared and was posting about around the transfer window now seems to becoming to fruition,
Instead of just solving the striker problem, to many peoples joy we went the step further and signed more players than we needed, and are now paying the price of players sat watching games who had got us into a good place before Christmas, when we had a finite number of players good enough to play at this level, and picking a team to play was easy.
Now we have players, Talented yes, but not strong enough or experienced enough to take a game by the scruff of the neck and dominate it, and players like Coppinger playing ever decreasing bit parts sat watching on the bench as much as on the field of play.
Luck is also playing a part, with a bit of luck we could well have won both the last two games, not being the worst teams on the pitch, but in front of goal you make your own luck, and the lack of any mention on what looked like a nailed on penalty for a tackle on Coppinger yesterday being a pointer to our acceptance of losing again.
The attendance and result of next weeks home game could be a pointer of what the club can expect in the take up of next seasons season ticket renewals if things carry on, which is the fear I have had for a week or two, having seen the same situation arise at a number of clubs and here in the past.
Brian, the shown attendance figure next week may be the usual level due to the regular including of season ticket sales, even though they don’t always attend.
However, I suspect that the number of actual empty seats will be noticeably higher.
Now that the prospect of a top six place has all but gone there will be a drop in people attending matches.
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I've been saying it for weeks and I'll say it again, to much tinkering from DM, no one seems settled, copps, Sadlier and Taylor can't be happy behind scene, as soon as they have a decent game they get dropped, and John a left back, give me a break
Somebody had the nerve/foresight/temerity (who knows) a few weeks ago on here to make a suggestion I'm not going to expand on other than to say there's an elephant in the room.
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Did we have the same problem this time last season February 2019. 8 pts from 15pts
Then we followed that up with 9pts from 21pts in March.