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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: graingrover on May 20, 2020, 08:47:36 pm
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If the EFL were indeed to limit the squad to 20 players of which 8 were are be from the club’s own academy then I think we are talking about a real new world and I approve 100%.
It might take three years to build a squad to compete towards the top end of League One but how healthier football would be .Look through our current crop and all of a sudden the youngsters there can have real hope .
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I wrote this in another thread a week ago:
Clubs are leaking money because they have over paid players for the last decade.
Perhaps now sensible wages will be paid.
A salary cap is entirely justified on both financial and sporting grounds.
No club would be bust if they hadn't paid players more than their income
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
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I think that lower division clubs are limited by FFP rules to their player wage budget being a certain percentage of the revenue.?
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
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Just a throw it out question
How legally binding would having 8 home grown players be.
How would it work. Would every club have to agree or can the league committee impose it.
Would it not have implications for employment laws etc
I’m all in favour of it I think it’s a great idea.
I’d personally take it a bit further and have a minimum of home grown players in every match day squad
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Just a throw it out question
How legally binding would having 8 home grown players be.
How would it work. Would every club have to agree or can the league committee impose it.
Would it not have implications for employment laws etc
I’m all in favour of it I think it’s a great idea.
I’d personally take it a bit further and have a minimum of home grown players in every match day squad
Let's be right, unlikely many would be home grown. Clubs would hoover up as much available talent, as they are now to an extent.
Got to be careful of employment laws and not tieing the managers hand behind his back too much when it comes to selection.
Don't forget also, there will be crops of young loanees available from prem/championship clubs too. Quite often this is a cost effective way of bolstering squads so you wouldn't want to deny clubs this option. Maybe tweak the number of loans permitted.
Lower league clubs need all the help they can get. I can see the merit in limiting Prem squads as they do now, which supports the loan system and the talent that drifts down to find their level.
A total limit of 20 would struggle to get any team through a season unless they're extremely lucky with injuries.
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I think that lower division clubs are limited by FFP rules to their player wage budget being a certain percentage of the revenue.?
Yes that's right.
But as a cap it didn't work very well if certain clubs wanted to flout the rules they could find ways around that. Under the new rules, if brought in, there will be a wage cap of £2.5m in LG1 irrespective of turnover.
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
We've had a wage cap for a number of years, but I think it was mentioned prior to McCann moving on because certain people wanted to discredit the club for their own benefit. If you remember DF did the same before he 'moved' on.
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I think that lower division clubs are limited by FFP rules to their player wage budget being a certain percentage of the revenue.?
Yes that's right.
But as a cap it didn't work very well if certain clubs wanted to flout the rules they could find ways around that. Under the new rules, if brought in, there will be a wage cap of £2.5m in LG1 irrespective of turnover.
Yes that would be fair across the board..
Aren’t there cases of club owners’ companies “sponsoring” things at their football clubs for ridiculous sums to get around ffp.?
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Not being political just asking the question. Couldn't employment laws change once we are 100% out of the EU?
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Doesn't the Fleetwood owner rent an office at their ground?
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I think that lower division clubs are limited by FFP rules to their player wage budget being a certain percentage of the revenue.?
Yes that's right.
But as a cap it didn't work very well if certain clubs wanted to flout the rules they could find ways around that. Under the new rules, if brought in, there will be a wage cap of £2.5m in LG1 irrespective of turnover.
125K each for the 20 player proposal then
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£2403 a week
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Don’t know about the Keepmoat naming rights - but if you look at the Keepmoat Stadium story, then we (John Ryan) played a blinder here and the Council (and Council Tax payers locally) have effectively subsidised us. We have a brand new stadium costing £32m that we did not have to pay to build and we now pay a fixed £100,000 a year to rent for a century. This is an unreal deal that has financially benefitted Rovers massively and has been an indirect subsidy to us from taxpayers.
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I think that lower division clubs are limited by FFP rules to their player wage budget being a certain percentage of the revenue.?
Yes that's right.
But as a cap it didn't work very well if certain clubs wanted to flout the rules they could find ways around that. Under the new rules, if brought in, there will be a wage cap of £2.5m in LG1 irrespective of turnover.
125K each for the 20 player proposal then
There'll obviously be some on more than that and some on less. That's just the average.
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If the EFL were indeed to limit the squad to 20 players of which 8 were are be from the club’s own academy then I think we are talking about a real new world and I approve 100%.
It might take three years to build a squad to compete towards the top end of League One but how healthier football would be .Look through our current crop and all of a sudden the youngsters there can have real hope .
So where does under 21 etc fit into this !
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
We've had a wage cap for a number of years, but I think it was mentioned prior to McCann moving on because certain people wanted to discredit the club for their own benefit. If you remember DF did the same before he 'moved' on.
I think I must have missed this.
Could you tell us when we first introduced a wage cap, and also when it was first publicly announced?
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
We've had a wage cap for a number of years, but I think it was mentioned prior to McCann moving on because certain people wanted to discredit the club for their own benefit. If you remember DF did the same before he 'moved' on.
I think I must have missed this.
Could you tell us when we first introduced a wage cap, and also when it was first publicly announced?
Who said it was publicly announced?
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If the EFL were indeed to limit the squad to 20 players of which 8 were are be from the club’s own academy then I think we are talking about a real new world and I approve 100%.
It might take three years to build a squad to compete towards the top end of League One but how healthier football would be .Look through our current crop and all of a sudden the youngsters there can have real hope .
Actually this could be a disaster for such as the youth in our club, pretty much certain unemployment for most, more so with the change in the competitiveness with the U23 competition devalued. The bottom line is less places, so less work.
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You can't have it just to only 20 players. That'll surely not include youth.
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You can't have it just to only 20 players. That'll surely not include youth.
It wouldn't include all youth, but it would include those on professional contracts - unless some kind of extra clause is in place.
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It is the first team squad that is possibly subject to this limitation not the whole club .
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Guess it boils down to definitions here. Either way, many players will be shunted down the leagues with all the knock on effects of that, and so many losing out financially.
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A squad of 20 plus loans would be about right.
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A squad of 20 plus loans would be about right.
It’s a squad of 20 including loans.
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If EFL were now to stipulate whether or not this is to be in the regulations and whether or not there is to be a regulated salary cap ..we could begin planning the future both for the club and all players .
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
We've had a wage cap for a number of years, but I think it was mentioned prior to McCann moving on because certain people wanted to discredit the club for their own benefit. If you remember DF did the same before he 'moved' on.
Yet neither mentioned it as an issue when they joined...
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A lot of pro footballers may not be pro footballers for much longer.
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A lot of pro footballers may not be pro footballers for much longer.
Yep. Not sure if this ruling affects the Championship or just L1 and L2 but you'd probably see the quality of players filter down the leagues as teams wont keep hold of 25+ players. There'll be a lot going down into non-league.
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A lot of pro footballers may not be pro footballers for much longer.
Yep. Not sure if this ruling affects the Championship or just L1 and L2 but you'd probably see the quality of players filter down the leagues as teams wont keep hold of 25+ players. There'll be a lot going down into non-league.
...and I think that after we see the players go down, we'll some unusual teams come up.
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
We've had a wage cap for a number of years, but I think it was mentioned prior to McCann moving on because certain people wanted to discredit the club for their own benefit. If you remember DF did the same before he 'moved' on.
I think I must have missed this.
Could you tell us when we first introduced a wage cap, and also when it was first publicly announced?
Who said it was publicly announced?
......and yet players such as a Tommy Rowe were allegedly on big wages which was touted around as being one of the reasons that McCann didn’t offer him a new contract.
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Dint we introduce a wage cap a couple of years ago
It was just before McCann moved on.
We've had a wage cap for a number of years, but I think it was mentioned prior to McCann moving on because certain people wanted to discredit the club for their own benefit. If you remember DF did the same before he 'moved' on.
I think I must have missed this.
Could you tell us when we first introduced a wage cap, and also when it was first publicly announced?
Who said it was publicly announced?
......and yet players such as a Tommy Rowe were allegedly on big wages which was touted around as being one of the reasons that McCann didn’t offer him a new contract.
I fail to see the relevance to the point I've made.
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One issue I can see with squad limitations is for example you are limited to a squad of 20
Suddenly a youth player comes through like W Rooney at Everton. Do the club then have to wait until the following season to bring him through or drop a player from the original 20 to allow him to play
Or would home grown players be exempt
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One issue I can see with squad limitations is for example you are limited to a squad of 20
Suddenly a youth player comes through like W Rooney at Everton. Do the club then have to wait until the following season to bring him through or drop a player from the original 20 to allow him to play
Or would home grown players be exempt
I think that it will be absolutely fine to use youth teamers. Realistically a club is going to have injuries and suspensions at various points - any more than 2 and you’re not able to put out a full bench if you can’t draft in YT players. In the PL at the moment you have to name a squad at 25 but you can use youth team players outside that squad at any point I believe.
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Some Clubs will find it very difficult to complete all their fixtures, if the maximum squad number is limited to 20.