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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Campsall rover on June 20, 2020, 03:11:31 pm
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A lot of their players refusing to sign short term contracts.
What do we read into that?
Can see them in League 1 next season. :thumbsup:
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1-0 down to Charlton in a 6 pointer. Oh dear
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It’s because they don’t want to risk injury when they are about to go out of contract.
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Couldn’t happen to a better person he’ll be a league one manager again next season if they don’t sack him
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There just trying out the 3 relegation birth for size as it stands at HT. :laugh:
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Just looking at the bottom of the championship table. It’s quite possible we could get Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield relegated into league 1 for next season.
That would be quite good from our point of view. Even better if fans are allowed back in
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Couldn’t happen to a better person he’ll be a league one manager again next season if they don’t sack him
If they sack him he will be lucky to get a league 1 job but probably will do at some point.
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Just looking at the bottom of the championship table. It’s quite possible we could get Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield relegated into league 1 for next season.
That would be quite good from our point of view. Even better if fans are allowed back in
It would be good but can’t see Luton staying up. But what do i know. Any way you could definitely throw Middlesbrough into the hat also as a relegation possible.
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Only takes one word from me condemning Luton to relegation and they score. :facepalm:
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Taxi for the snake. Is that something like 2 points from their last 11 games?
Decent form that Grant.
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He was on sky the other night moaning about players refusing to play who were out of contract in 2 weeks etc, and goes " I couldn't not play, I was brought up to finish what I'd started?" really?
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Certainly all to play for at the bottom of the championship and we've given ourselves a huge lift with that win today .
Real game changer is this resumption , no spectators and using the five subs .
Some teams are going to enhance the opportunity and some could totally collapse .
Hull look dead in the water with the player situation and their results since Christmas .
Boro too look to be in trouble .
We've given ourselves a sniff today and we have no issues with players contracts other than the back up keeper Radlinger .
The chance to reset and playing in unfamiliar circumstances is a real game changer .
Noose still firmly around our necks but the hangman hasn't clocked on yet .
We live in hope .
:scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Got good friends that are Barnsley fans love playing them always a good day out win or lose can't believe you won at Queens Park rangers must be the first time in years and I mean years
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Got good friends that are Barnsley fans love playing them always a good day out win or lose can't believe you won at Queens Park rangers must be the first time in years and I mean years
First win since 1950 away at QPR
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Just looked that up mate.
Last time Barnsley won at QPR was in 1950......and it was 5-0.
Today is only their second win at QPR.
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Tactically the 5 sub rule is hugely significant , Struber had 3 players on the bench initially who would start all day long before the shut down .
They were brought on very early in the second half and he still had the two in hand .
A smart coach can utilise this very well so in a sense this is a very different game now to the one we all know .
The championship is crazy at the best of times but I can see it becoming even more crazy , Elland Road is not the same stadium under these circumstances as it was before the shutdown for instance .
Game on but it's the hope that kills you .
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Well Tyke, I for one, hope Barnsley survive, at the expense of Dull. Looking at Dull’s fixtures, they have quite a few ‘6pointers’ coming up and, if they couldn’t win that one yesterday, it doesn’t look good for them!
Shame for Herbie, though, because he’s wasted there. I hope he’s on the phone to Darren, as I write this. :)
Can’t be long before he’s shown where the exit door is.
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Hull fans not only show their ´disapproval’ of McCann but there are some very demotivating criticisms of Herbie Kane which will do nothing to further his development at Hull in terms of self confidence .
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With four players not signing contract extensions and trying to keep Wilks, Barnsley should get him back why help Hull. Herbie and Liverpool made the wrong decision to go to Hull, as soon as there best two players left Hull we’re going into free fall. Let’s hope McCann and Crowley Brothers are relegated and Barnsley escape. Let’s not forget Huddersfield are in their position with £46m parachute payment which will be lower next season but should be stopped if they get relegated.
Also just a note to the EFL if Charlton and Barnsley do keep and get out of the relegation zone then it will show how ludicrous ppg decision was. Where teams have gained and suffered. Money should have filtered down from the top to allow league 1 and 2 teams to finish the season.
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Certainly all to play for at the bottom of the championship and we've given ourselves a huge lift with that win today .
Real game changer is this resumption , no spectators and using the five subs .
Some teams are going to enhance the opportunity and some could totally collapse .
Hull look dead in the water with the player situation and their results since Christmas .
Boro too look to be in trouble .
We've given ourselves a sniff today and we have no issues with players contracts other than the back up keeper Radlinger .
The chance to reset and playing in unfamiliar circumstances is a real game changer .
Noose still firmly around our necks but the hangman hasn't clocked on yet .
We live in hope .
:scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Would love you to take the points against Leeds in mid July..... ... it may be crucial game for both teams.
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Hull fans not only show their ´disapproval’ of McCann but there are some very demotivating criticisms of Herbie Kane which will do nothing to further his development at Hull in terms of self confidence .
I watched the game and both Herbie and Wilks had poor games. To be fair to Herbie it was his first game back after being injured at the end of January.
Lets face it if Jarrod Bowen and Kamil Grosicki and left in the summer window and not January , Hull would have been all but relegated by now.
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First game for everyone for over three months, you might expect many players to be off their best..
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Certainly all to play for at the bottom of the championship and we've given ourselves a huge lift with that win today .
Real game changer is this resumption , no spectators and using the five subs .
Some teams are going to enhance the opportunity and some could totally collapse .
Hull look dead in the water with the player situation and their results since Christmas .
Boro too look to be in trouble .
We've given ourselves a sniff today and we have no issues with players contracts other than the back up keeper Radlinger .
The chance to reset and playing in unfamiliar circumstances is a real game changer .
Noose still firmly around our necks but the hangman hasn't clocked on yet .
We live in hope .
:scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
Would love you to take the points against Leeds in mid July..... ... it may be crucial game for both teams.
The last three games are extremely tough , Leeds away , Forest at home and we finish at Brentford .
The next five games we have Millwall at home , Blackburn home , Luton away , Stoke away and Wigan at home .
Those next five games are where we need to get the points if we are to survive .
In an ideal world you'd want Forest and Brentford with play off places secured and saving a bit back for the play off campaign , this thought probably wouldn't make any difference with fans in the stadiums but under these conditions it could potentially be a different matter I feel .
Mid table QPR struggled yesterday I felt with the motivation until the last half hour .
See how we go in with the next two home games , looking at the results yesterday in the Championship the home games seem to be a real issue for clubs under these conditions .
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With four players not signing contract extensions and trying to keep Wilks, Barnsley should get him back why help Hull. Herbie and Liverpool made the wrong decision to go to Hull, as soon as there best two players left Hull we’re going into free fall. Let’s hope McCann and Crowley Brothers are relegated and Barnsley escape. Let’s not forget Huddersfield are in their position with £46m parachute payment which will be lower next season but should be stopped if they get relegated.
Also just a note to the EFL if Charlton and Barnsley do keep and get out of the relegation zone then it will show how ludicrous ppg decision was. Where teams have gained and suffered. Money should have filtered down from the top to allow league 1 and 2 teams to finish the season.
The other irony steve is that the re-start has produced a totally different game to the one we knew before the shutdown .
Clubs losing players due to contracts expiring on June 30th .
Five sub rule , you can bring on fresh legs that convert to half the team .
Drinks break on 22 and 65 minutes that takes the sting out of a situation if you are under the cosh or has you having to reset if you are on top .
No fans in the stadiums and nothing to feed off from the stands .
Travel arrangements to the longer away games are now totally different , Arsenal flew up to Manchester 3 hours before the game kicked off .
Massively different things going on now .
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To be fair the drinks break is not new to the Cowleys
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From a selfish point of view and a full KM when allowed I hope Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield go down.
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From a selfish point of view and a full KM when allowed I hope Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield go down.
For all the so called glamour of the championship and the amount of big clubs I have to admit personally I prefer League One .
Visiting fans in the pub pre match are far more down to earth and knowledgeable and its a real pleasure to have a beer and a chat with fans from Accrington , Gillingham and Rochdale rather than the arrogant up their own ass tribes you get from Forest , Derby and Birmingham .
We'd only walked through the pub door on the opening day against Fulham to feel the difference , I said to my mate after 5 minutes you can tell we are back in the Championship alright .
Different breed of supporter and younger too and all that comes with it .
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I can appreciate what you’re saying, Tyke, wrt level of supporter, but I would never trade that against watching, in the main, a higher level of football.
Even though we lost quite a few games (obviously) when we were last there, I still came away having enjoyed the game more often than not. The frustration of a defeat is always there, no matter what league you’re in, so that is a constant.
Interesting comments from Steve re Huddersfield and their parachute payments. It really does beggar belief that Clubs have this ongoing financial boost for years after they get relegated from the Premiership. I can understand 1 season’s assistance, but after that they should fend for themselves. All that money could be spread across all the EFL Clubs. It’s ludicrous and so very unfair - it’s just encouraging Championship Clubs to go and spend stupid money (that they havn’t got) to get to the PL, because they know they will get it all back, and then some! If there’s one good thing to come out of all this disruption, it’s for the parachute payment idea to be realigned and funds better distributed.
But it is the EFL we’re talking about here so I’ll not be holding my breath, waiting for it to happen.
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ND I know it doesn’t get stopped but it should. A payment in the first year from the premiership would be ok after that to ensure a level playing it should be stopped. No way should continue if you drop into league 1. The money should be shared Down the leagues. My opinion but it won’t change.
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I can appreciate what you’re saying, Tyke, wrt level of supporter, but I would never trade that against watching, in the main, a higher level of football.
Even though we lost quite a few games (obviously) when we were last there, I still came away having enjoyed the game more often than not. The frustration of a defeat is always there, no matter what league you’re in, so that is a constant.
Interesting comments from Steve re Huddersfield and their parachute payments. It really does beggar belief that Clubs have this ongoing financial boost for years after they get relegated from the Premiership. I can understand 1 season’s assistance, but after that they should fend for themselves. All that money could be spread across all the EFL Clubs. It’s ludicrous and so very unfair - it’s just encouraging Championship Clubs to go and spend stupid money (that they havn’t got) to get to the PL, because they know they will get it all bag, and then some! If there’s one good thing to come out of all this disruption, it’s for the parachute payment idea to be realigned and funds better distributed.
But it is the EFL we’re talking about here so I’ll not be holding my breath, waiting for it to happen.
I never feel we belong at this level these days , in fact I've felt this way for a good number of years .
Which is sad in a way because we've spent the majority of our history in the second tier , the stadium and facilities stack up and the attendances aren't the worst by any means , we are averaging more than Preston who are chasing the play offs and QPR to name but two even though we are having a dreadful season .
The club are almost bound by the above to achieve what is vast becoming the impossible dream , the reality is the club is in a fantasy league somewhere between league one and the Championship that does not exist .
Early last season I spent an hour in the beer garden on a beautiful hot saturday with three fans of AFC Wimbledon , they'd seen the club rise from non league to the FA cup win and the PL and then lose the club to Milton Keynes , they'd seen it reform and start the process all over again and back to league one , it was an incredible hour of conversation , far worse than you guys had it which is saying something .
These fans are the heart n soul of football and you just don't get that kind of humble conversation with fans of the big championship clubs of which they are plenty .
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ND I know it doesn’t get stopped but it should. A payment in the first year from the premiership would be ok after that to ensure a level playing it should be stopped. No way should continue if you drop into league 1. The money should be shared Down the leagues. My opinion but it won’t change.
It's a level playing field as in its the same for every club that goes up to the EFL and is then relegated back down again, those are the rewards for getting there as well as playing in the EPL of course. The key of course is not spend money you don't have and then make those payments work for you, something a good number of clubs didn't and continue to do.
If anything these payments have made a good number of clubs stronger and better, just look at the number of clubs that have gone into and out of the EFL that have benefited from these payments, the list is very long.
I think you mean the EPL.
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So Hull put out a statement about an article in The Athletic which they responded to but tried redacting the figures and some names by highlighting it in black but when you paste the text in to Word it unredacts it. :lol: They've changed it now to blank out the redacted parts but the unredacted version is available online where you can see they are only offering max 5-7k this summer and their highest paid player is Kevin Stewart.
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/club-statement-the-athletic/
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The club have banned the local press and all now.
A complete shambles of a club only going one way it seems.
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I won’t lose only sleep over this can’t see how GM thought it was a move forward especially having being put in the picture by his mate/mentor Adkins
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Personally I think it shows up McCann's nature and decision-making even more. He had to know what a mess Hull City were yet he couldn't wait to get out of here and jump on board their sinking ship. More fool him.
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Huddersfield will have parachute payments paid the season after this also! If you're in prem more than 1 season you get it for 3 seasons.
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I spent quite a bit of time chatting to my friend Geoff, the Supporters trust guy mentioned in the article, this morning.
As he says the whole thing is laughable, and he stands by everything mentioned in that as well.
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I won’t lose only sleep over this can’t see how GM thought it was a move forward especially having being put in the picture by his mate/mentor Adkins
Some people unfortunately can’t see what’s staring them in the face.
He had the opportunity to build on what he had achieved at a very stable club which would stand by him and give him time to do it.
But he decided to jump ship shouting about loyalty to the Rovers players & then go to one of the most unstable clubs in the EFL.
So what were his reasons for doing that. Personally i can only think of one and it begins with a £ sign.
Short term gain financially but probably a long term disaster for his management career. For someone of his age very foolish.
What goes round comes round.
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I feel bad for McCann.
Not really.
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So Hull put out a statement about an article in The Athletic which they responded to but tried redacting the figures and some names by highlighting it in black but when you paste the text in to Word it unredacts it. :lol: They've changed it now to blank out the redacted parts but the unredacted version is available online where you can see they are only offering max 5-7k this summer and their highest paid player is Kevin Stewart.
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/club-statement-the-athletic/
DO: How can I access the unredacted version online?
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Huddersfield will have parachute payments paid the season after this also! If you're in prem more than 1 season you get it for 3 seasons.
I think Huddersfield will need the parachute payments because the wonderful Cowley brother could be back in the classroom this time next season, they are getting found out
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So Hull put out a statement about an article in The Athletic which they responded to but tried redacting the figures and some names by highlighting it in black but when you paste the text in to Word it unredacts it. :lol: They've changed it now to blank out the redacted parts but the unredacted version is available online where you can see they are only offering max 5-7k this summer and their highest paid player is Kevin Stewart.
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/club-statement-the-athletic/
DO: How can I access the unredacted version online?
https://twitter.com/monkeys_show/status/1275030012337573888?s=19
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Huddersfield will have parachute payments paid the season after this also! If you're in prem more than 1 season you get it for 3 seasons.
I think Huddersfield will need the parachute payments because the wonderful Cowley brother could be back in the classroom this time next season, they are getting found out
What about the other Crowley brother, the one that isn’t wonderful? (Writer begins emoji search).
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Huddersfield will have parachute payments paid the season after this also! If you're in prem more than 1 season you get it for 3 seasons.
I think Huddersfield will need the parachute payments because the wonderful Cowley brother could be back in the classroom this time next season, they are getting found out
Getting found out, really?
They were putting together some much improved performances before the pandemic shut down, then one game back and lose and you want to write them off!
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So Hull put out a statement about an article in The Athletic which they responded to but tried redacting the figures and some names by highlighting it in black but when you paste the text in to Word it unredacts it. :lol: They've changed it now to blank out the redacted parts but the unredacted version is available online where you can see they are only offering max 5-7k this summer and their highest paid player is Kevin Stewart.
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/club-statement-the-athletic/
DO: How can I access the unredacted version online?
https://twitter.com/monkeys_show/status/1275030012337573888?s=19
Thanks, DO! 👍
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Huddersfield will have parachute payments paid the season after this also! If you're in prem more than 1 season you get it for 3 seasons.
I think Huddersfield will need the parachute payments because the wonderful Cowley brother could be back in the classroom this time next season, they are getting found out
Getting found out, really?
They were putting together some much improved performances before the pandemic shut down, then one game back and lose and you want to write them off!
They will get found out , that’s why they went to Huddersfield not Sheff Wed , that would have been a to bigger club for them
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Looking at Huddersfield’s run-in, I would say they are definitely under pressure. Their one easy fixture left is Luton, at home, but that will not be a walk in the park!
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Hull play away at Birmingham on Saturday and then take on Middlesbrough at home on next Thursday.
After that Hull have 4 away games (West Brom, Bristol, Wigan and Cardiff) and 2 at home to Luton and Millwall left.
I think that's a tough enough run in - all against teams who have something to play for.
Saying that, Huddersfield run-in isn't easy either...
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Come on every team that plays Hull
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I had a quick look over at Hull and boy do they not like GM in fact he's getting more stick than their owners which i find odd seen as though they sold all their decent players and didn't replace with anything..Can see the tin tack heading his way very shortly
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Looks like they have blown a 2-0 lead now 3-3 in injury time.
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Yep, apparently (well, according to 5 live I was listening to on my way home today) went 3-2 up then he made 4 or 5 substitutions to defend lead & they conceded in last 2 mins. Pundit on there was slating his decision making. Shame! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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A great free kick from kane hit the ball low and hard as the wall all jumped right into corner of the net keeper no chance
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Like Stock did at Leeds.?
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Like Stock did at Leeds.?
That was Jason Price ducking out of the way to make a hole in the wall. There was one we scored where we hit it under a jumping wall once at the Keepmoat. Can't remember the game but I think it was Gareth Roberts.
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The one at Elland Road went along the grass under the wall..
Whether or not it was under where Price had stood I can’t remember..
Edit:
Apologies RTR you are correct and I was wrong:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKfmERLPxc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKfmERLPxc)
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Like Stock did at Leeds.?
That was Jason Price ducking out of the way to make a hole in the wall. There was one we scored where we hit it under a jumping wall once at the Keepmoat. Can't remember the game but I think it was Gareth Roberts.
Yes, against Forest.
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Just seen the goals, and seeing kane and malik on the same pitch took me back to sarfend away in the sunshine... First game of last season, doesn't seem that long ago..
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Game on now at the bottom of the championship , a real dogfight .
We have Stoke and Luton away the next two games .
Bring it on .
:boxing:
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Game on now at the bottom of the championship , a real dogfight .
We have Stoke and Luton away the next two games .
Bring it on .
:boxing:
I think you've got a great chance - the momentum is with you.
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Game on now at the bottom of the championship , a real dogfight .
We have Stoke and Luton away the next two games .
Bring it on .
:boxing:
From only a selfish point of view I hope we are playing you next season as I really enjoy our games.
On all other fronts I hope you survive and think you have every chance. Huddersfield, Hull & Stoke are in dire form. Yourselves, Luton & Charlton are picking up points and no way will Boro go down with Warnock, just can’t see it.
Lots of twists & turns no doubt. Very good watching from a neutral point of view.
Enjoy the ride Tyke. :) All the best.
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Game on now at the bottom of the championship , a real dogfight .
We have Stoke and Luton away the next two games .
Bring it on .
:boxing:
From only a selfish point of view I hope we are playing you next season as I really enjoy our games.
On all other fronts I hope you survive and think you have every chance. Huddersfield, Hull & Stoke are in dire form. Yourselves Luton & Charlton are picking up points and no way will Boro go down with Warnock, just can’t see it.
Lots of twists & turns no doubt. Very good watching from a neutral point of view.
Enjoy the ride Tyke. :) All the best.
We were second best last night in the first half and Rovers missed some decent chances ......... does that sound familiar against us :headbang:
Struber made three subs , changed the formation at half time and we were suddenly all over them and got our reward .
The margins are unbelievably small .
I've said if we have an opportunity of staying up going in to the final game at Brentford I'd snatch your hands off right now .
It's the hope that kills you .......... :crying:
Absolutely huge financial consequences going on here with the club and the need to remain in the Championship .
The pressure is monumental but we aren't alone either in that respect .
50-50 chance for me .
Thanks for all your kind words .
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It shows how ridiculous deciding things on PPG was though. Charlton are now 4 points from the relegation places when PPG would have relegated them and Barnsley and Luton are both one win from being out of the relegation places.
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It shows how ridiculous deciding things on PPG was though. Charlton are now 4 points from the relegation places when PPG would have relegated them and Barnsley and Luton are both one win from being out of the relegation places.
Unfortunately there was no fair way of deciding everyone’s fate. Without actually playing the games, It was imo the fairest of all the unfair options, if that makes any sense.
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It shows how ridiculous deciding things on PPG was though. Charlton are now 4 points from the relegation places when PPG would have relegated them and Barnsley and Luton are both one win from being out of the relegation places.
Surely you can only compare when the season ends.
You will have a final comparison then and the bottom three in PPG could be the same as the eventual bottom three.
There was no easy way to predict places and somebody was always going to be disappointed.
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Looks like admin may play a big part in final standings
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It looks like Wigan are in it too now.
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Re read the report I got the wrong end of the stick hound apologies. In the unlikely chance of them finishing in the bottom three this season the 12 points will be administered this season. so they need to be at least 13 points clear of the bottom three this season to avoid relegation when the fixtures this season are concluded. If they avoid relegation this season the points will be administered next season.
I will watch with interest if no buyer has surfaced and they are in administration when next season eventually has a start date.
Whether they are treated like Leeds, Bolton Wanderers, Southampton, and Leicester City and are allowed to carry on or like Hereford and other clubs who have been chucked out of the league system as per the rules that were in place at the time when they were still in administration on the qualifying date before the seasons start.
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Game on now at the bottom of the championship , a real dogfight .
We have Stoke and Luton away the next two games .
Bring it on .
:boxing:
I think you've got a great chance - the momentum is with you.
Agreed. If you survive at the expense of t**t & t**t on Humber, that'll be grand.
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Huddersfield 3-0 winners away at Birmingham this eve. It’s getting very interesting indeed in the Championship relegation scrap.
Unlike the premier league where Norwich & Bournemouth seem determined to get relegated as soon as possible.
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It shows how ridiculous deciding things on PPG was though. Charlton are now 4 points from the relegation places when PPG would have relegated them and Barnsley and Luton are both one win from being out of the relegation places.
But it would have also been a lottery had we played on. Most clubs like us would have lost their loan players and those whose contracts were about to expire. Finishing a season in that way would have been just as ridiculous.
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SM, that is why the only fair ways for all the clubs were to void the season or combine this season and next seasons points.
They were the lesser of evils as far as the playing side of things and the game itself.
The outcome of any of the other system was to satisfy outside influences especially broadcasting and a few influential teams, I wonder what the outcome would have been if by some miracle Burnley and Preston North End had been in Liverpools and Leeds places in the league standings.
It is no longer a game, the clubs are now prostituted to the TV companies, and in many cases are owned and run by Spivs disinterested in the game and only interested in the money they can skim off the top, and the top is where the money to be skimmed off is.
I posted on here months ago that only government intervention making the big clubs spread their wealth to the lower divisions would make it happen. The dithering ineptitude of the EFL has let that one moment when it could have happened most likely pass them by, and the result of the harvest of small clubs going out of business because of their idiocy is not far off fruition.
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It's not the government's job to intervene and act like Robin Hood by taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's footballs problem in terms of raising revenue and deciding how it is awarded.
The crisis has served to magnify the inequalities in football however there's no pint pointing the finger at the wrong people. We haven't faced anything like this, there were no contingencies in the rules for this situation.
There maybe weaknesses in the structure and governance of the leagues which are likely to be addressed in the near future as S_M has already advised us.
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
There doesn’t seem to be a script in the Championship at either end of the table.
I honestly expected Boro to win this one probably 1-0
Pleased i am not a Barnsley fan, it’s bite your nails time for poor Tyke, while we sit back and enjoy watching the scrap going on.
Having said that I wish we were playing & fighting for that play off place, which would have been difficult but definitely achievable.
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
There doesn’t seem to be a script in the Championship at either end of the table.
I honestly expected Boro to win this one probably 1-0
Pleased i am not a Barnsley fan, it’s bite your nails time for poor Tyke, while we sit back and enjoy watching the scrap going on.
Having said that I wish we were playing & fighting for that play off place, which would have been difficult but definitely achievable.
Our next three games are
Stoke Away on saturday
Luton Away on Tuesday evening .
Wigan at Home a week on saturday .
You couldn't write it could you ?
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
There doesn’t seem to be a script in the Championship at either end of the table.
I honestly expected Boro to win this one probably 1-0
Pleased i am not a Barnsley fan, it’s bite your nails time for poor Tyke, while we sit back and enjoy watching the scrap going on.
Having said that I wish we were playing & fighting for that play off place, which would have been difficult but definitely achievable.
Our next three games are
Stoke Away on saturday
Luton Away on Tuesday evening .
Wigan at Home a week on saturday .
You couldn't write it could you ?
You just did.
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
There doesn’t seem to be a script in the Championship at either end of the table.
I honestly expected Boro to win this one probably 1-0
Pleased i am not a Barnsley fan, it’s bite your nails time for poor Tyke, while we sit back and enjoy watching the scrap going on.
Having said that I wish we were playing & fighting for that play off place, which would have been difficult but definitely achievable.
Our next three games are
Stoke Away on saturday
Luton Away on Tuesday evening .
Wigan at Home a week on saturday .
You couldn't write it could you ?
You just did.
But what will the outcome be in those matches. Anyone with a crystal ball. Where are you BB
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
There doesn’t seem to be a script in the Championship at either end of the table.
I honestly expected Boro to win this one probably 1-0
Pleased i am not a Barnsley fan, it’s bite your nails time for poor Tyke, while we sit back and enjoy watching the scrap going on.
Having said that I wish we were playing & fighting for that play off place, which would have been difficult but definitely achievable.
Our next three games are
Stoke Away on saturday
Luton Away on Tuesday evening .
Wigan at Home a week on saturday .
You couldn't write it could you ?
You just did.
But what will the outcome be in those matches. Anyone with a crystal ball. Where are you BB
In all honesty I haven't a clue Campsall , all I can say is I'm looking for at least 7 points to keep us in the hunt because we end with .
Leeds Away
Forest Home
Brentford Away
It could be argued that Forest and Brentford maybe in play off mode and not quite as motivated as they could be .
Then again who can predict anything in this mental league ?
We could just as easily lose at Luton and win at Elland Road .
Just wish I was in the stadium doing my bit to help the lads .
Watching it on ifollow isn't that easy under this kind of pressure .
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Just got a feeling Hull will survive due to Wigan’s 12 point deduction.
Both Luton and Barnsley got smashed today by Reading and Stoke.
Not results you would have predicted.
What an unpredictable league the Championship is.
Highly unlikely now 3 more derbies next season.
The odds are now on only one.
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It just goes to show the gap from L1 to the Championship is getting wider and wider. Charlton are down there too, and just 1 season ago, those 3 were the best teams that L1 could throw up.
1 season and they’re almost all back with us.
I’d still rather we go up there and have another crack at it.
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Just got a feeling Hull will survive due to Wigan’s 12 point deduction.
Both Luton and Barnsley got smashed today by Reading and Stoke.
Not results you would have predicted.
What an unpredictable league the Championship is.
Highly unlikely now 3 more derbies next season.
The odds are now on only one.
Don't worry about derby games Campsall. If this virus doesn't f*ck off, and with talk of limited spectators in the stadiums, we won't be going to any away games next season, and maybe not that many home games.
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Absolute horror show today , gifted Stoke all three first half goals , they didn't even need to break sweat to earn such a commanding lead .
The team could hardly string two passes together , it really was woeful .
No point dwelling on it , it's gone now and thats that .
We need a win on Tuesday night at Luton and three points at home to Wigan next saturday or we are done for .
Its down to three wins now from the five games remaining and a bit of luck .
I give us a 35% chance at best .
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Kane and Wilks both score tonight. You couldn’t script it could you.
There doesn’t seem to be a script in the Championship at either end of the table.
I honestly expected Boro to win this one probably 1-0
Pleased i am not a Barnsley fan, it’s bite your nails time for poor Tyke, while we sit back and enjoy watching the scrap going on.
Having said that I wish we were playing & fighting for that play off place, which would have been difficult but definitely achievable.
Our next three games are
Stoke Away on saturday
Luton Away on Tuesday evening .
Wigan at Home a week on saturday .
You couldn't write it could you ?
You just did.
But what will the outcome be in those matches. Anyone with a crystal ball. Where are you BB
In all honesty I haven't a clue Campsall , all I can say is I'm looking for at least 7 points to keep us in the hunt because we end with .
Leeds Away
Forest Home
Brentford Away
It could be argued that Forest and Brentford maybe in play off mode and not quite as motivated as they could be .
Then again who can predict anything in this mental league ?
We could just as easily lose at Luton and win at Elland Road .
Just wish I was in the stadium doing my bit to help the lads .
Watching it on ifollow isn't that easy under this kind of pressure .
That 97th minute Derby equaliser almost rules them out of the automatics for me. Brentford could however go into that game needing a win to overtake West Brom. Just be 0v0 on 90 minutes and concede a penalty. Easy as that.
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Absolute horror show today , gifted Stoke all three first half goals , they didn't even need to break sweat to earn such a commanding lead .
The team could hardly string two passes together , it really was woeful .
No point dwelling on it , it's gone now and thats that .
We need a win on Tuesday night at Luton and three points at home to Wigan next saturday or we are done for .
Its down to three wins now from the five games remaining and a bit of luck .
I give us a 35% chance at best .
Yes, looking very tough now unless off the field matters with Wednesdays disciplinary yet to be finalised helps your cause.
If however relegation happens it's not the end of the world, as you can resume acquaintances with us once again! Get proper football and rivalry back on the pitch!
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Absolute horror show today , gifted Stoke all three first half goals , they didn't even need to break sweat to earn such a commanding lead .
The team could hardly string two passes together , it really was woeful .
No point dwelling on it , it's gone now and thats that .
We need a win on Tuesday night at Luton and three points at home to Wigan next saturday or we are done for .
Its down to three wins now from the five games remaining and a bit of luck .
I give us a 35% chance at best .
Yes, looking very tough now unless off the field matters with Wednesdays disciplinary yet to be finalised helps your cause.
If however relegation happens it's not the end of the world, as you can resume acquaintances with us once again! Get proper football and rivalry back on the pitch!
We need to get to third bottom as a minimum and hope Wigan have the points deducted that put them below us , that's not cut and dry by any means .
I'm not holding out too much hope of Wednesday getting penalised this season personally .
That said the league table doesn't lie , one win in the first 17 is what's done for us , just a couple of wins during that early part of the season would have made a massive difference .
2-0 up at WBA with 20 minutes left was a standout and in all honesty WBA pinched a point that night because of our lack of game management , we were much the better team on the night .
It's normally not the end of the world but with the way the games heading with the affects of the pandemic relegation could be a financial catastrophe for us .
I wouldn't rule out us being put put in administration if we are indeed relegated and the owners walking away .
Someone will have to fund the club with their own personal funds to sustain it and the owners aren't willing to do that .
We've sold 7k season tickets for next season but 2k of them are to kids and hardly raise any income so we are down by 4k on last season .
Sponsorship and advertising won't commit to anything because they don't know what's coming down the road or when a new season will even start .
Obviously there is no matchday income coming in .
The transfer market too looks set to collapse .
The £7m of tv revenue we are would get for remaining in the Championship could be the difference between just about keeping ourselves in business or entering administration .
Massive five games ahead for us on a number of levels .
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Absolute horror show today , gifted Stoke all three first half goals , they didn't even need to break sweat to earn such a commanding lead .
The team could hardly string two passes together , it really was woeful .
No point dwelling on it , it's gone now and thats that .
We need a win on Tuesday night at Luton and three points at home to Wigan next saturday or we are done for .
Its down to three wins now from the five games remaining and a bit of luck .
I give us a 35% chance at best .
Yes, looking very tough now unless off the field matters with Wednesdays disciplinary yet to be finalised helps your cause.
If however relegation happens it's not the end of the world, as you can resume acquaintances with us once again! Get proper football and rivalry back on the pitch!
We need to get to third bottom as a minimum and hope Wigan have the points deducted that put them below us , that's not cut and dry by any means .
I'm not holding out too much hope of Wednesday getting penalised this season personally .
That said the league table doesn't lie , one win in the first 17 is what's done for us , just a couple of wins during that early part of the season would have made a massive difference .
2-0 up at WBA with 20 minutes left was a standout and in all honesty WBA pinched a point that night because of our lack of game management , we were much the better team on the night .
It's normally not the end of the world but with the way the games heading with the affects of the pandemic relegation could be a financial catastrophe for us .
I wouldn't rule out us being put put in administration if we are indeed relegated and the owners walking away .
Someone will have to fund the club with their own personal funds to sustain it and the owners aren't willing to do that .
We've sold 7k season tickets for next season but 2k of them are to kids and hardly raise any income so we are down by 4k on last season .
Sponsorship and advertising won't commit to anything because they don't know what's coming down the road or when a new season will even start .
Obviously there is no matchday income coming in .
The transfer market too looks set to collapse .
The £7m of tv revenue we are would get for remaining in the Championship could be the difference between just about keeping ourselves in business or entering administration .
Massive five games ahead for us on a number of levels .
If you do go down Tyke, you'll not be the only club in the sh*t. Not only do I think some clubs will go bust, I can also see some clubs having to go part-time.
I know I'm sounding like a doom and gloom monger, but with a virus that the experts don't seem to have a clue about, an EFL that definitely don't have a clue about anything, and a season coming up with empty and half empty stadiums, I can't see any favourable outcomes for anybody.
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Hull beaten at WBA
Wilks scores again for Hull.
Boro lose at home to QPR 0-1 so their goal scoring problems continue.
Even Warnock has got his work cut out with this rescue job.
Today was a game i thought they would get 3 points.
Tyke your still swimming :thumbsup:
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Hull beaten at WBA
Wilks scores again for Hull.
Boro lose at home to QPR 0-1 so their goal scoring problems continue.
Even Warnock has got his work cut out with this rescue job.
Today was a game i thought they would get 3 points.
Tyke your still swimming :thumbsup:
Even if it is in shyte :suicide:
Yeh good results for us today .
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Key midweek games
Brentford v Charlton
Luton v Barnsley
Reading v Huddersfield
Millwall v Boro
Bristol City v Hull
Wigan v QPR
Leeds v Stoke
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Absolute horror show today , gifted Stoke all three first half goals , they didn't even need to break sweat to earn such a commanding lead .
The team could hardly string two passes together , it really was woeful .
No point dwelling on it , it's gone now and thats that .
We need a win on Tuesday night at Luton and three points at home to Wigan next saturday or we are done for .
Its down to three wins now from the five games remaining and a bit of luck .
I give us a 35% chance at best .
Yes, looking very tough now unless off the field matters with Wednesdays disciplinary yet to be finalised helps your cause.
If however relegation happens it's not the end of the world, as you can resume acquaintances with us once again! Get proper football and rivalry back on the pitch!
We need to get to third bottom as a minimum and hope Wigan have the points deducted that put them below us , that's not cut and dry by any means .
I'm not holding out too much hope of Wednesday getting penalised this season personally .
That said the league table doesn't lie , one win in the first 17 is what's done for us , just a couple of wins during that early part of the season would have made a massive difference .
2-0 up at WBA with 20 minutes left was a standout and in all honesty WBA pinched a point that night because of our lack of game management , we were much the better team on the night .
It's normally not the end of the world but with the way the games heading with the affects of the pandemic relegation could be a financial catastrophe for us .
I wouldn't rule out us being put put in administration if we are indeed relegated and the owners walking away .
Someone will have to fund the club with their own personal funds to sustain it and the owners aren't willing to do that .
We've sold 7k season tickets for next season but 2k of them are to kids and hardly raise any income so we are down by 4k on last season .
Sponsorship and advertising won't commit to anything because they don't know what's coming down the road or when a new season will even start .
Obviously there is no matchday income coming in .
The transfer market too looks set to collapse .
The £7m of tv revenue we are would get for remaining in the Championship could be the difference between just about keeping ourselves in business or entering administration .
Massive five games ahead for us on a number of levels .
If you do go down Tyke, you'll not be the only club in the sh*t. Not only do I think some clubs will go bust, I can also see some clubs having to go part-time.
I know I'm sounding like a doom and gloom monger, but with a virus that the experts don't seem to have a clue about, an EFL that definitely don't have a clue about anything, and a season coming up with empty and half empty stadiums, I can't see any favourable outcomes for anybody.
Inevitable steve isn't it .
The game will not ever be as we once knew it , some of that will be for the better but unfortunately that's going to come at a cost to others too .
The irony with ourselves is that we are run financially very well .
Unfortunately the ownership are businessmen first and foremost with no emotional connection to the club or the town .
They have three other clubs across europe as well as ourselves no doubt all in the same boat .
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Absolute horror show today , gifted Stoke all three first half goals , they didn't even need to break sweat to earn such a commanding lead .
The team could hardly string two passes together , it really was woeful .
No point dwelling on it , it's gone now and thats that .
We need a win on Tuesday night at Luton and three points at home to Wigan next saturday or we are done for .
Its down to three wins now from the five games remaining and a bit of luck .
I give us a 35% chance at best .
Yes, looking very tough now unless off the field matters with Wednesdays disciplinary yet to be finalised helps your cause.
If however relegation happens it's not the end of the world, as you can resume acquaintances with us once again! Get proper football and rivalry back on the pitch!
We need to get to third bottom as a minimum and hope Wigan have the points deducted that put them below us , that's not cut and dry by any means .
I'm not holding out too much hope of Wednesday getting penalised this season personally .
That said the league table doesn't lie , one win in the first 17 is what's done for us , just a couple of wins during that early part of the season would have made a massive difference .
2-0 up at WBA with 20 minutes left was a standout and in all honesty WBA pinched a point that night because of our lack of game management , we were much the better team on the night .
It's normally not the end of the world but with the way the games heading with the affects of the pandemic relegation could be a financial catastrophe for us .
I wouldn't rule out us being put put in administration if we are indeed relegated and the owners walking away .
Someone will have to fund the club with their own personal funds to sustain it and the owners aren't willing to do that .
We've sold 7k season tickets for next season but 2k of them are to kids and hardly raise any income so we are down by 4k on last season .
Sponsorship and advertising won't commit to anything because they don't know what's coming down the road or when a new season will even start .
Obviously there is no matchday income coming in .
The transfer market too looks set to collapse .
The £7m of tv revenue we are would get for remaining in the Championship could be the difference between just about keeping ourselves in business or entering administration .
Massive five games ahead for us on a number of levels .
If you do go down Tyke, you'll not be the only club in the sh*t. Not only do I think some clubs will go bust, I can also see some clubs having to go part-time.
I know I'm sounding like a doom and gloom monger, but with a virus that the experts don't seem to have a clue about, an EFL that definitely don't have a clue about anything, and a season coming up with empty and half empty stadiums, I can't see any favourable outcomes for anybody.
Inevitable steve isn't it .
The game will not ever be as we once knew it , some of that will be for the better but unfortunately that's going to come at a cost to others too .
The irony with ourselves is that we are run financially very well .
Unfortunately the ownership are businessmen first and foremost with no emotional connection to the club or the town .
They have three other clubs across europe as well as ourselves no doubt all in the same boat .
We are lucky in that respect as our owners are locals who definitely have an emotional attachment to Doncaster.
I think at this time that will be a huge advantage to the welfare of DRFC and the long term future of the club.
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Tyke - as much as I share your liking for football I don't share any of your interest in Barnsley FC and I come on here to read about my own club - which should be the main thrust of the forum. So can you please feck off and hi jack some other forum to whinge on and give us a break from counselling you through your problems, which in the great game of life, aren't as terminal as you would have us believe
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If only the main thrust of this forum was football.
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Tyke - as much as I share your liking for football I don't share any of your interest in Barnsley FC and I come on here to read about my own club - which should be the main thrust of the forum. So can you please feck off and hi jack some other forum to whinge on and give us a break from counselling you through your problems, which in the great game of life, aren't as terminal as you would have us believe
Bit harsh.
Carry on, Tyke. You're sound.
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Tyke - as much as I share your liking for football I don't share any of your interest in Barnsley FC and I come on here to read about my own club - which should be the main thrust of the forum. So can you please feck off and hi jack some other forum to whinge on and give us a break from counselling you through your problems, which in the great game of life, aren't as terminal as you would have us believe
Out of order..
The forum header says
“Viking Chat
The place to discuss all things red and white hooped and anything football related...”
..and anything football related - includes supporters of other teams and their opinions.
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Tyke - as much as I share your liking for football I don't share any of your interest in Barnsley FC and I come on here to read about my own club - which should be the main thrust of the forum. So can you please feck off and hi jack some other forum to whinge on and give us a break from counselling you through your problems, which in the great game of life, aren't as terminal as you would have us believe
If you're wanting to read about Rovers, then what the feck are you reading a thread titled 'Hull City' for?
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Carry on Tyke it can affect Rovers anyway plus there’s not much else to talk about
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Carry on for me too tyke.
There's a number of rovers fans hoping you pull it off and stay up. It's weird times..... :-)
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Me too pal
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And me Tyke, I would rather read about a Barnsley football topic than some of the drivel that’s spouted on here time after time.
I could be even more interesting if we’re in the same division next season 👀
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And me Tyke, I would rather read about a Barnsley football topic than some of the drivel that’s spouted on here time after time.
I could be even more interesting if we’re in the same division next season 👀
The above is my line of thought too.
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Always talk sense in your posts imho Tyke.. which some on here rarely achieve
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I work with alot of barnsley folk so dont mind the input tyke more than welcome for me
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Barnsley Lives Matter too!
Buggered if I'm taking a knee though!
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Barnsley Lives Matter too!
Buggered if I'm taking a knee though!
Brilliant that Baz.
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Barnsley Lives Matter too!
Buggered if I'm taking a knee though!
You could grow a finger 😂😂
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Barnsley Lives Matter too!
Buggered if I'm taking a knee though!
That's quality Baz , pmsl .
Thanks for your comments guys , much appreciated .
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Carry on posting tyke, always welcome here.
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Barnsley Lives Matter too!
Buggered if I'm taking a knee though!
You could grow a finger 😂😂
🖕this one OK? 😁
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Tyke - as much as I share your liking for football I don't share any of your interest in Barnsley FC and I come on here to read about my own club - which should be the main thrust of the forum. So can you please feck off and hi jack some other forum to whinge on and give us a break from counselling you through your problems, which in the great game of life, aren't as terminal as you would have us believe
Way out of order. :facepalm:
Tyke you are very welcome on this forum as far as i am concerned and am sure most people would agree.
You are one of the posters that talk a lot of common sense and it is good to hear from a supporter of another club and get their perspective on the game. :thumbsup:
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Part of the furniture now mate we will never let you escape. anyway like most on here I enjoy your posts so come on anytime you want to, although take a month off if we play you and you win.
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Tyke, it looks like you have been adopted, keep posting
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There's room on here for all genuine supporters whoever they support in my opinion. I'm sure that some on here have more in common with some opposition supporters than fellow Rovers fans.
I know that there are times when I have.
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Barnsley Lives Matter too!
Buggered if I'm taking a knee though!
That's quality Baz , pmsl .
Thanks for your comments guys , much appreciated .
I hope you get relegated Tyke. Purely for selfish reasons. I always enjoy my day at Oakwell when we play you.
Would prefer that we had got promoted and you stayed up mind.
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Yep much rather have 2 fixtures v your lot than Luton etc
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Herbie out for the rest of the season.
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Big loss to them, shame for Herbie but please he can’t help them
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Look forward to seeing you at Oakwell next season , we are done for now .
:crying:
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Look forward to seeing you at Oakwell next season , we are done for now .
:crying:
With Hull losing Kane for the rest of the season, I don't think you should give up hope yet.....
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Think that was a must win game for both Luton & Barnsley tonight and a point each is unlikely to be enough. Could still be a twist yet but I think we will be playing you next season Tyke.
It ain’t over yet but the Fat Lady is getting warmed up i fear.
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Think that was a must win game for both Luton & Barnsley tonight and a point each is unlikely to be enough. Could still be a twist yet but I think we will be playing you next season Tyke.
It ain’t over yet but the Fat Lady is getting warmed up i fear.
Every team in the Championship apart from us of course would have comfortably beaten Luton Town tonight .
There was nothing to beat .
Everything you see regarding having a team full of young and inexperienced players was on show tonight .
Lack of composure , bad decision making and playing with fear .
No it's over for us , the young lads aren't up to it and are going to fall short .
You can't turn water in to wine with four games left I'm afraid .
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Leeds will probably get promoted if not win the league, for what it’s worth they only drew with Luton last week too..
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A good point IDM (if you see what I mean).
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I'll say here and now that this group isn't as good as the last crop who were relegated from the Championship but returned at the first time of asking .
Physically nothing like as suited to the demands of legaue one , last season's team was huge but could play , if teams wanted a fight then good luck with that , if teams wanted to play then even better , apart from Rovers that is .
Mentally there's a question mark too , when the pressure dial gets turned up they freeze , last Saturday at Stoke was a classic example and last night too to a lesser degree .
Well the pressure ain't going away next season , you could argue it's greater because the expectation is to win a huge amount of league one games , we don't care too much for scratching around in league one .
That's not arrogance but the bar has to be set somewhere and the top 6 minimum is where it's placed .
Everything is set up at that level , fanbase , facilities and budget .
The club , HC and players get an awful lot of slack cut in the Championship , sometimes a tad too much in my opinion , it disappears in league one and there's no place to hide .
Having said all that , even kicking off in league one next season will be a bonus with what's going on right now but at the same time it is for every club at that level .
Upper mid table next season for us .
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Hard to predict how the owners might review things post Covid and relegation to boot. Been speculation for sometime, even before Covid that some owners/regimes were looking for a way out.
Wigan maybe one of the first but who's next?
The last thing I'll be doing is predicting anything for next season.
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Tyke, I can understand your apprehension, but the years and time have taught me never to underestimate Rotherham and Barnsley and the people and supporters of both clubs.
Numerous times over my lifetime both sides seem to have hit hard times, and each time within a few seasons they have rose up to meet the challenge and do well again, backed by some of the most committed supporters any side could wish to have.
Like you I think that this season is going to be a fleeting visit in the championship, and that in it's self could cause problems off the field temporally, but I would not discount you coming back stronger your young team performing reasonably well in the second half of the season, and your core support in the area will always pull the club through.
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Tyke, I can understand your apprehension, but the years and time have taught me never to underestimate Rotherham and Barnsley and the people and supporters of both clubs.
Numerous times over my lifetime both sides seem to have hit hard times, and each time within a few seasons they have rose up to meet the challenge and do well again, backed by some of the most committed supporters any side could wish to have.
Like you I think that this season is going to be a fleeting visit in the championship, and that in it's self could cause problems off the field temporally, but I would not discount you coming back stronger your young team performing reasonably well in the second half of the season, and your core support in the area will always pull the club through.
Your very kind Selby and I appreciate your comments .
However none of us have lived through an event such as this and it's catastrophic consequences and my club hasn't ever been owned by a consortium of foreign billionaires looking to earn a buck and not through love of the club or the town .
The club is set to run totally out of cash this month , 7k ST renewals for next season may keep us alive in the shorter term .
Nobody knows if League One will even begin next season and we have a wage bill approaching £12m to service .
Under normal circumstances we'd take the financial hit of relegation by selling two or three of our better players , cutting our cloth and simply knuckle down , the local owner and fan would fill in the financial gaps .
The club stands on it's own two feet financially or it goes , this is pure capitalism now , this is reality .
Unless the consortium finance the club using their own funds then we have to face that reality and likely administration .
This is business now , 133 years of history is neither here nor there to these people as it wasn't with Woolworths for example or Thomas Cook .
We are heading for the worst possible place , at the worst possible time with the worst kind of owners .
Our good fortunate maybe about to end .
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Much as I see Barnsley as our biggest rivals, I also have a lot of sympathy for them - all in a way that doesn't apply to Rotherham and others. The bottom of the Championship is an intriguing battle, it directly relates to Rovers in that it's within the bounds of our level and will be deciding who we are up against next season.
It's looking like Wigan are certs for the drop, and then especially with post covid break unpredictability anything can happen even with the nightmare fixtures Barnsley have left. Several teams still in the mix for the drop, and much as I'd look forward to playing them next season, and without any Donny games happening I'm finding myself being a Barnsley fan - right now cheering for Millwall :thumbsup:
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I know off the field Wigan are in a mess but they had some good form, even with a points deduction they are still in with a shout of stopping up especially if they get a result tonight
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I know off the field Wigan are in a mess but they had some good form, even with a points deduction they are still in with a shout of stopping up especially if they get a result tonight
True but a very slim chance. To play QPR, Barnsley, Hull, Charlton, Fulham. With 4 wins in that they'd end up with 50 points after deductions, any less and they're almost certainly down.
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Millwall 0-2 Boro
We are vastly running out of lifeboats and the ship is taking huge amounts of water .
The band will of course play on ........ hopefully .
:crying: :crying: :crying:
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Well Keiffer is still trying
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Hull 2 down to Bristol. Pressure is on, snake!
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Correction 2-1 down!
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Interesting at the bottom now
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We have Wigan at home on saturday , I suppose if you take the view third bottom is the new fourth bottom then victory on saturday would keep us pretty much alive .
Hull have Millwall at home which is a reasonably enough winnable game if such a thing exists in the Championship .
The conundrums just do your head in but at the same time how can you not do them ? , I'm sure Rovers fans are just the same .
To tell the truth if we weren't dealing with the financial affects of this pandemic across the whole game I wouldn't be that bothered .
This would be the fourth relegation from this level I've witnessed in since 2002 so its hardly anything new anymore .
Besides when you put it into context with the real affects of this disease it's almost shameful to moan really .
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Middlesbrough will stop up their last game of the season is away at Hillsborough, and everyone knows Warnock will work his magic there, he usually does crowd or no crowd
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The supporters at Hull do not hold McCann in very high regard by the looks of their forum.
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Not sure they ever took to him Selby what they saying now
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It would be exactly the same for us, Tyke, if we were in that position. Our fairly recent past has had us yo-yoing between the Championship, L1 and L2. If there’s one thing about this season’s decision to curtail the season, it put us out of our misery with regards to that issue! However, like you rightly say, does any of that really matter?
What we are witnessing now is the after effects of the impact that this virus is having on Clubs up and down the country. Just how many Clubs are going to be affected? I havn’t read of any other Clubd making redundancies yet, but I dare say it will be happening.
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Alan, there was a list of quite a few teams in the paper the other day who have made redundancies even a couple in the championship and that was before we announced them.
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OK. I hadn’t seen that.
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Add Plymouth to that list as of today
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Lost 1-0 to Millwall today. Anyone who's having a bad day should get on their forums/Twitter and read what they have to say about McCann. Oof.
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Next 2 games for them Wigan away and Luton at home.
Talk about huge games.
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Some relegation battle this is.
Amazed Warnock is struggling to get Boro motoring. They just can’t score goals and if you concede, which they are doing then that’s a recipe for disaster, without stating the obvious.
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Has sky got all championship matches like they used to have midweek? Could go into the last game with all the bottom 8 involved. Don't forget Wigan are technically bottom and Sheffield Wednesday are rumoured to have 9 points deducted
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Wilks trial outcome.
"The former Leeds United striker pleaded guilty to two charges after hearing that he would avoid jail"
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-united-mallik-wilks-court-18571678.amp?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-united-mallik-wilks-court-18571678.amp?__twitter_impression=true)
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Has sky got all championship matches like they used to have midweek? Could go into the last game with all the bottom 8 involved. Don't forget Wigan are technically bottom and Sheffield Wednesday are rumoured to have 9 points deducted
Think that Wigan may get away with the points deduction due to covid especially if they use the same people that got Bolton off their issue with us
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Iv mentioned it before, but the BBC Humberside reporter Burnsy is a complete shithouse 😂😂😂. Destroys Grant here...
https://twitter.com/humbersidesport/status/1282050760256225282?s=21
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Iv mentioned it before, but the BBC Humberside reporter Burnsy is a complete shithouse 😂😂😂. Destroys Grant here...
https://twitter.com/humbersidesport/status/1282050760256225282?s=21
Love it, no sympathy from me here, the snake deserves all he gets, it seems he’s not as good as he thinks he is and the grass is not greener elsewhere, I look forward to their relegation and his sacking 😂😂😂😂
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Well Struber our HC looked a beaten man during the second half today .
Body language was shocking , never seen that so much on display in all the years I've followed them .
Generally even deep down inside when they know the games up they at least try and present a positive outlook .
I think we've got a quitter here , I reckon he'll walk when the final nail goes in our coffin .
Not bothered if it does to tell the truth .
Absolutely dreading going to Elland Road on Thursday night .
We could get a real going over by that lot and its on bloody Sky at that .
We may get one more point out of the last three games but I can't see us getting anymore than that in all honesty and it won't be enough .
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1 win in 17, unbelievable that he's still in a job. He just sounds beaten in that interview. No ideas at all, just football clichés. I do wonder if he's getting interference from above because to be fair to him, fight and attacking ideas weren't things we were lacking last season.
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Quite sad to hear that interview. I understand the bitterness at his departure from here, but the moment he walked in the door he was a breath of fresh air at DRFC and that fight and positivity spread right through the club. Sounded a shadow of that in the interview linked above. Some people will revel in that but I feel quite disappointed.
The interviewer sounds like a complete prick. Certainly a know it all behind a microphone.
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Well Struber our HC looked a beaten man during the second half today .
Body language was shocking , never seen that so much on display in all the years I've followed them .
Generally even deep down inside when they know the games up they at least try and present a positive outlook .
I think we've got a quitter here , I reckon he'll walk when the final nail goes in our coffin .
Not bothered if it does to tell the truth .
Absolutely dreading going to Elland Road on Thursday night .
We could get a real going over by that lot and its on bloody Sky at that .
We may get one more point out of the last three games but I can't see us getting anymore than that in all honesty and it won't be enough .
League 1s more fun anyway. Get you lot, Hull & Boro/Hudds down and we'll have some proper mediocre derbies next season.
If we're all allowed in by then, of course.
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
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They are a club that have had their day in the sun, are run by a poor owner who only ever saw them as a cash cow and not a football club, and a manager who is probably a one trick pony without the players and the finances to get the players he needs.
Don't forget it was us them or Brighton who were destined for oblivion at one time, so all have done well to rise up again, but of the three I feer at the moment they are the one that could drop back to that level again, especially if the owner remains at the club.
He could pull the plug any time. I live in a village that is central (Pollington) that is more or less central to Leeds, Doncaster, Hull, York etc. the only club I do not know one supporter of is Hull City.
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
Harsh to say he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. I was one of many that was critical of those inexperienced loan signings, and I was wrong.
I was angry with and at McCann when he left us, but as time passes you have to look at it rationally. He’d had his budget cut here, he’d taken us probably as far as anyone could have in the circumstances, Hull offered a wildcard shot at the Championship. Up until January, when he was forced to sell Bowen and Grosicki, he was doing a good job there.
Last season gave us some of the most exciting football and great days out in all my years supporting the club. I am grateful to McCann for that and also disappointed he didn’t continue into this season.
I’m also delighted with Darren Moore, who I agree shows integrity in everything he does, and I feel he’s the right man for the job. It’s not a criticism of Moore to say I still miss some of the football we played under McCann. We were a ruthless team and really exciting to watch. Moore’s team is different, as are the players at his disposal. I’m confident he’ll continue to be a really good manager for us.
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They are a club that have had their day in the sun, are run by a poor owner who only ever saw them as a cash cow and not a football club, and a manager who is probably a one trick pony without the players and the finances to get the players he needs.
Don't forget it was us them or Brighton who were destined for oblivion at one time, so all have done well to rise up again, but of the three I feer at the moment they are the one that could drop back to that level again, especially if the owner remains at the club.
He could pull the plug any time. I live in a village that is central (Pollington) that is more or less central to Leeds, Doncaster, Hull, York etc. the only club I do not know one supporter of is Hull City.
Sorry Selby that is just not true.
I have no particular love for Hull City or their owner (Assem Allam) but to say he only ever saw them as cash cow goes against all the evidence.
He is a Hull based businessman who has donated £millions to charitable projects in the city. He never particularly wanted to become owner, it was originally supposed to be a partnership, and only did so because saw how important the club was to the area - and they had huge debts at the time.
In fact the problem with his ownership was exactly the opposite. He wanted the club to be a sustainable business, he literally incorporated it into his business rather than run it as a separate company, and wanted to generate extra revenue to fund it. Hence the mad idea to change the name and then the membership scheme which alienated the fans.
I doubt he will just drop the club but he is certainly not going to put any money in.
According to his company's latest account this 'cash cow' has so far cost him £50 million.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-accounts-assem-allam-4105665
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They are a club that have had their day in the sun, are run by a poor owner who only ever saw them as a cash cow and not a football club, and a manager who is probably a one trick pony without the players and the finances to get the players he needs.
Don't forget it was us them or Brighton who were destined for oblivion at one time, so all have done well to rise up again, but of the three I feer at the moment they are the one that could drop back to that level again, especially if the owner remains at the club.
He could pull the plug any time. I live in a village that is central (Pollington) that is more or less central to Leeds, Doncaster, Hull, York etc. the only club I do not know one supporter of is Hull City.
Think you are bang on with that assessment.
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
Harsh to say he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. I was one of many that was critical of those inexperienced loan signings, and I was wrong.
I was angry with and at McCann when he left us, but as time passes you have to look at it rationally. He’d had his budget cut here, he’d taken us probably as far as anyone could have in the circumstances, Hull offered a wildcard shot at the Championship. Up until January, when he was forced to sell Bowen and Grosicki, he was doing a good job there.
Last season gave us some of the most exciting football and great days out in all my years supporting the club. I am grateful to McCann for that and also disappointed he didn’t continue into this season.
I’m also delighted with Darren Moore, who I agree shows integrity in everything he does, and I feel he’s the right man for the job. It’s not a criticism of Moore to say I still miss some of the football we played under McCann. We were a ruthless team and really exciting to watch. Moore’s team is different, as are the players at his disposal. I’m confident he’ll continue to be a really good manager for us.
McCann had his budget cut? Not heard that one before. By how much?
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
Harsh to say he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. I was one of many that was critical of those inexperienced loan signings, and I was wrong.
I was angry with and at McCann when he left us, but as time passes you have to look at it rationally. He’d had his budget cut here, he’d taken us probably as far as anyone could have in the circumstances, Hull offered a wildcard shot at the Championship. Up until January, when he was forced to sell Bowen and Grosicki, he was doing a good job there.
Last season gave us some of the most exciting football and great days out in all my years supporting the club. I am grateful to McCann for that and also disappointed he didn’t continue into this season.
I’m also delighted with Darren Moore, who I agree shows integrity in everything he does, and I feel he’s the right man for the job. It’s not a criticism of Moore to say I still miss some of the football we played under McCann. We were a ruthless team and really exciting to watch. Moore’s team is different, as are the players at his disposal. I’m confident he’ll continue to be a really good manager for us.
McCann had to reduce the wage bill so it was inevitable that players like Rowe and others left as they did. They were being offered less than they were originally on and so felt they could do better elsewhere. The only weapon & tactic open to him to him to try and get these players to stay was to be a part of something they had started but not finished yet and ask them for their commitment.
So he already had agreed his reduced budget but then found that budget had been reduced again when he came back from his family holiday just a few weeks later but still tried to make that work and with no sign of Hull FC on the horizon.
Should he have stayed? Should he have talked about loyalty as he did? Should he have taken the job at Hull City? Well all I know is, that if someone gave me the opportunity to better myself and challenge me at a higher level I would have to seriously consider it, irrespective of how happy I am in my work. So criticising someone for doing exactly that is complete nonsense and conveniently forgets exactly what you say Jonathan about the wonderful season he was at the club as the manager and the just what might have been but for a couple of penalties.
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
Harsh to say he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. I was one of many that was critical of those inexperienced loan signings, and I was wrong.
I was angry with and at McCann when he left us, but as time passes you have to look at it rationally. He’d had his budget cut here, he’d taken us probably as far as anyone could have in the circumstances, Hull offered a wildcard shot at the Championship. Up until January, when he was forced to sell Bowen and Grosicki, he was doing a good job there.
Last season gave us some of the most exciting football and great days out in all my years supporting the club. I am grateful to McCann for that and also disappointed he didn’t continue into this season.
I’m also delighted with Darren Moore, who I agree shows integrity in everything he does, and I feel he’s the right man for the job. It’s not a criticism of Moore to say I still miss some of the football we played under McCann. We were a ruthless team and really exciting to watch. Moore’s team is different, as are the players at his disposal. I’m confident he’ll continue to be a really good manager for us.
McCann had his budget cut? Not heard that one before. By how much?
Clearly I can’t tell you the figures, I can only say what I’ve been informed and believe to be true - that the initial indicative budget was reduced ahead of the return to pre-season. It can still be true that the budget had increased from the previous season as we’re often told. It can also be true that we can accept the budget will change without that being taken to be a slant at the club or the owners. Budgets can and do change, and I believe that it did.
Can I prove it? No. If I turned the question around and substitute “cut” for “increased” would I expect you or anyone else to provide the figures? No. Do I want to get into an argument about it for the next 10 weeks? No.
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Wilt's, the Allams have been trying to sell the club since the day they gained promotion to the Premiership, overpricing the club from the off thinking they were going to make a killing.
They are terrible to work for at management level both on and off the field of play, especially the old man who had the reigns originally. They go through staff at a rapid rate and woe betide anyone that falls out of step.
It is and always has been business with them, quite a few potential new owners falling by the wayside after crunching the numbers. If a change of owners do not eventually come forward I can only see them carrying on their fall from grace, most of those losses coming since their fall out of the premiership even with their goody bag from that period and will only get bigger when this seasons figures are published.
As a club at the moment they do not have a lot going for them, and their worth is plummeting by the year, and the fact is historically apart from a couple of purple patches in their history their core support is not that much better off than ours and was always fickle to the success of the two rugby league sides , and the East Riding is more a hot bed of Leeds supporters than South Yorkshire.
Personally I think they are in the doo doo.
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think we need to bring the attempt to rename Hull into this and the failure as a reason they decided to "get rid"
7 years ago it seems
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23629379
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I actually think it's half a compliment how bitter people are to McCann. Not one Rovers fan can probably honestly say they were pleased he went. I remember renewing my season ticket and just thinking I'm paying to watch us go up this year with him in charge. He served up some of the best attacking football in the last decade for me and it was great to watch.
In the end we now have another excellent manager who started on a severe disadvantage having to almost get in half a team in no time. The football has again been decent mainly. To say he came with reputation probably unfairly of hoof ball from West Brom fans the football is decent.
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I’ve said this before and I will say it again.
The only problem with McCann’s departure was the timing, and that he had let go several top players without yet recruiting replacements.
Would the scenario be different had Hull come knocking 3 or 4 weeks sooner, or later.?
McCann made a point about player loyalty, not quoting him exactly, but he basically said if players didn’t want to be here then they could go.
Before Hull made their approach, did McCann have any desire to leave.? Having just had the season he had had, I would guess probably not.
But when Hull came in, he left, and pretty quickly.
So all he did was follow his own philosophy about players leaving. He left us in a mess, yes, but that was down to timing rather than anything else, IMHO.
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You can debate budget speculation and all that but the fact is McCann banged on and on about loyalty regarding players then left at the very first chance he could, a week after all that big talk, for a team clearly going downhill. That sheer hypocrisy is why many of us will never have a good word to say about him again.
He gets all he deserves at Hull and I continue to hope they get relegated so another team in that fight can stay up another year.
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We may well have been playing good attacking football, but it was largely an inherited squad, enhanced by 2.5 good loanees.
The thing I like about DM’s football is that it’s more balanced, that is we could match all the best sides in attack and we were hard to beat.
My big worry now is twofold:
1) the impact of COVID on our budget and, therefore, squad
2) someone coming in with a serious offer for DM.
Both scenario’s are possible, at the moment. We’ll be back 5 or 6 seasons if both come to fruition!
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Couple of points ,last week we had some body on here whinging and crying about talking no Rovers stuff. Also what did Daddy’s little soldier do with us a few years back and kept his job 3 draws and 14 defeats
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You can debate budget speculation and all that but the fact is McCann banged on and on about loyalty regarding players then left at the very first chance he could, a week after all that big talk, for a team clearly going downhill. That sheer hypocrisy is why many of us will never have a good word to say about him again.
He gets all he deserves at Hull and I continue to hope they get relegated so another team in that fight can stay up another year.
i have just written a script that ends with Birmingham getting relegated
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I’m not sure Bowen and Grosizki going should be used as sympathy for him.
Everybody in football must know the type of owners he decided to go and work for, and that selling those assets was always on the cards.
He could not wait to get away, and chose the first and possibly the worst club to jump to.
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
Harsh to say he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. I was one of many that was critical of those inexperienced loan signings, and I was wrong.
I was angry with and at McCann when he left us, but as time passes you have to look at it rationally. He’d had his budget cut here, he’d taken us probably as far as anyone could have in the circumstances, Hull offered a wildcard shot at the Championship. Up until January, when he was forced to sell Bowen and Grosicki, he was doing a good job there.
Last season gave us some of the most exciting football and great days out in all my years supporting the club. I am grateful to McCann for that and also disappointed he didn’t continue into this season.
I’m also delighted with Darren Moore, who I agree shows integrity in everything he does, and I feel he’s the right man for the job. It’s not a criticism of Moore to say I still miss some of the football we played under McCann. We were a ruthless team and really exciting to watch. Moore’s team is different, as are the players at his disposal. I’m confident he’ll continue to be a really good manager for us.
McCann had his budget cut? Not heard that one before. By how much?
Clearly I can’t tell you the figures, I can only say what I’ve been informed and believe to be true - that the initial indicative budget was reduced ahead of the return to pre-season. It can still be true that the budget had increased from the previous season as we’re often told. It can also be true that we can accept the budget will change without that being taken to be a slant at the club or the owners. Budgets can and do change, and I believe that it did.
Can I prove it? No. If I turned the question around and substitute “cut” for “increased” would I expect you or anyone else to provide the figures? No. Do I want to get into an argument about it for the next 10 weeks? No.
You can't prove it because it's not true.
And every year we, the VSC, see the accounts and can verify that the budget has never been cut. What confuses the situation is that the final wage bill for that season may have been higher than expected due to end of season bonuses, plus bonuses for the excellent cup run, but to suggest that McCann had his budget cut is untrue. You and New Donny need to curtail the misinformation you keep putting out about budgets and players contracts.
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They are a club that have had their day in the sun, are run by a poor owner who only ever saw them as a cash cow and not a football club, and a manager who is probably a one trick pony without the players and the finances to get the players he needs.
Don't forget it was us them or Brighton who were destined for oblivion at one time, so all have done well to rise up again, but of the three I feer at the moment they are the one that could drop back to that level again, especially if the owner remains at the club.
He could pull the plug any time. I live in a village that is central (Pollington) that is more or less central to Leeds, Doncaster, Hull, York etc. the only club I do not know one supporter of is Hull City.
Sorry Selby that is just not true.
I have no particular love for Hull City or their owner (Assem Allam) but to say he only ever saw them as cash cow goes against all the evidence.
He is a Hull based businessman who has donated £millions to charitable projects in the city. He never particularly wanted to become owner, it was originally supposed to be a partnership, and only did so because saw how important the club was to the area - and they had huge debts at the time.
In fact the problem with his ownership was exactly the opposite. He wanted the club to be a sustainable business, he literally incorporated it into his business rather than run it as a separate company, and wanted to generate extra revenue to fund it. Hence the mad idea to change the name and then the membership scheme which alienated the fans.
I doubt he will just drop the club but he is certainly not going to put any money in.
According to his company's latest account this 'cash cow' has so far cost him £50 million.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-accounts-assem-allam-4105665
selby is pretty much spot on Wilts. The Allams have been taking money out of that club from day one. They charge interest on their loan, and take it every year, plus they charge the club for their management experience every single year without exception.
They've been at odds with the supporters trust for years, and most trust members have been banned from the stadium for speaking up. Even the EFL have admitted that they should have been harsher on the club when the Allams cancelled concessions.
The truth is they're terrible owners and not the benevolent people you mention.
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I live in an area where the hull local papers are obtainable, which I read occasionally and have more or less stated what they have printed over the years, and information from people who have been employed in some capacity in the offices.
Neither have been very complimentary of any of the family that own the club for one reason or another.
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I enjoyed every minute of it!
Grass isn’t greener - isn’t that what Grant told Tommy Rowe when he saw fit to get rid?
Leaves a lot to be desired, does Mr McCann. Yes, he had us playing, there’s no doubt, but he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. And, has anyone noticed Wilks lately, he looks about a stone overweight, or maybe he doesn’t suit the kit? :)
His arrogance got in the way of him being a half decent manager, imho, and his modus operandi on leaving us meant he went way down in my estimation.
If there’s been any fresh air, it’s been the appointment of Darren Moore, who has more integrity in his little toenail than McCan’t will ever have.
Rant over.
Harsh to say he got lucky with Kane and Wilks. I was one of many that was critical of those inexperienced loan signings, and I was wrong.
I was angry with and at McCann when he left us, but as time passes you have to look at it rationally. He’d had his budget cut here, he’d taken us probably as far as anyone could have in the circumstances, Hull offered a wildcard shot at the Championship. Up until January, when he was forced to sell Bowen and Grosicki, he was doing a good job there.
Last season gave us some of the most exciting football and great days out in all my years supporting the club. I am grateful to McCann for that and also disappointed he didn’t continue into this season.
I’m also delighted with Darren Moore, who I agree shows integrity in everything he does, and I feel he’s the right man for the job. It’s not a criticism of Moore to say I still miss some of the football we played under McCann. We were a ruthless team and really exciting to watch. Moore’s team is different, as are the players at his disposal. I’m confident he’ll continue to be a really good manager for us.
McCann had his budget cut? Not heard that one before. By how much?
Clearly I can’t tell you the figures, I can only say what I’ve been informed and believe to be true - that the initial indicative budget was reduced ahead of the return to pre-season. It can still be true that the budget had increased from the previous season as we’re often told. It can also be true that we can accept the budget will change without that being taken to be a slant at the club or the owners. Budgets can and do change, and I believe that it did.
Can I prove it? No. If I turned the question around and substitute “cut” for “increased” would I expect you or anyone else to provide the figures? No. Do I want to get into an argument about it for the next 10 weeks? No.
You can't prove it because it's not true.
And every year we, the VSC, see the accounts and can verify that the budget has never been cut. What confuses the situation is that the final wage bill for that season may have been higher than expected due to end of season bonuses, plus bonuses for the excellent cup run, but to suggest that McCann had his budget cut is untrue. You and New Donny need to curtail the misinformation you keep putting out about budgets and players contracts.
That is helpful factual context. Did not think I had heard anything about the budget being cut. This explains why.
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They are a club that have had their day in the sun, are run by a poor owner who only ever saw them as a cash cow and not a football club, and a manager who is probably a one trick pony without the players and the finances to get the players he needs.
Don't forget it was us them or Brighton who were destined for oblivion at one time, so all have done well to rise up again, but of the three I feer at the moment they are the one that could drop back to that level again, especially if the owner remains at the club.
He could pull the plug any time. I live in a village that is central (Pollington) that is more or less central to Leeds, Doncaster, Hull, York etc. the only club I do not know one supporter of is Hull City.
Sorry Selby that is just not true.
I have no particular love for Hull City or their owner (Assem Allam) but to say he only ever saw them as cash cow goes against all the evidence.
He is a Hull based businessman who has donated £millions to charitable projects in the city. He never particularly wanted to become owner, it was originally supposed to be a partnership, and only did so because saw how important the club was to the area - and they had huge debts at the time.
In fact the problem with his ownership was exactly the opposite. He wanted the club to be a sustainable business, he literally incorporated it into his business rather than run it as a separate company, and wanted to generate extra revenue to fund it. Hence the mad idea to change the name and then the membership scheme which alienated the fans.
I doubt he will just drop the club but he is certainly not going to put any money in.
According to his company's latest account this 'cash cow' has so far cost him £50 million.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-accounts-assem-allam-4105665
selby is pretty much spot on Wilts. The Allams have been taking money out of that club from day one. They charge interest on their loan, and take it every year, plus they charge the club for their management experience every single year without exception.
They've been at odds with the supporters trust for years, and most trust members have been banned from the stadium for speaking up. Even the EFL have admitted that they should have been harsher on the club when the Allams cancelled concessions.
The truth is they're terrible owners and not the benevolent people you mention.
The statement of accounts will not reveal that a manager had been informed he would need to work off one indicative budget, and later informed that it would be lower than that. So you dismiss it as untrue, but you don’t know that. Granted you know far more about the inner workings of the club than many, but you don’t know everything. Players and their representatives will know things that you don’t. Other members of staff will also know more than you about some matters. That may be an uncomfortable truth, but you are not the sole authority on all matters DRFC.
I’m not wishing to get into a slanging match, nor am I wishing to disparage the owners that put their hands in their pockets and have every right to choose how to run the club, what budgets to set and what contracts to offer. I’m merely stating a relevant point that I believe to be true, and you’re countering with a point that you believe to be true. Fair game. Recently you referred to this process as me “challenging you” but I’m not sure what we’d have to agree your role is for that to be true.
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Jonathan,
I despair at times, I really do. We have a supporters trust who works tirelessly to build relationships with all members of staff at DRFC. We're shareholders. We have an MOU signed by both parties to further that relationship to one of real trust between us both. We're here, as one of our goals, and probably our number one goal, which is to ensure that this club endures, and that we operate on a financial footing that will never see this club in danger.
But apart from that, Gavin and myself have had a working relationship which helps us share information that no player would ever get to know, especially those that drift into the club and then out again. We don't just meet for a coffee and chew the fat, we actually do work together to promote DRFC for the benefit of all, but especially supporters. The flow of information that comes from those meetings helps in all kinds of areas. We also meet with various directors and shareholders within DRFC which further enhances the relationship on all sides.
To suggest that we don't discuss budgets and compare season on season, and how that budget is getting spent is insulting to both Gavin and myself. Its also insulting to the Supporters Board who give up their spare time and discuss the very same issues. Yes, I agree the accounts won't show everything, but thats why we sit down with the Finance Director and go through them in detail, so that we can understand wht they relate to and how that affects the performance of the club.
I'm not getting into a 'slanging match' either, nor do I consider this as one. But I'm happy to name my sources when I mention budgets and accounts. But to suggest that a player or a players rep will know more about DRFC is quite frankly absurd.
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I don’t see why any football club has to divulge it’s business to the general public especially when it’s the more mundane issues. I’ve not always agreed with SM and no doubt in the future I will disagree with him again, but why does the OUR budget have to become public.
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Jonathan,
I despair at times, I really do. We have a supporters trust who works tirelessly to build relationships with all members of staff at DRFC. We're shareholders. We have an MOU signed by both parties to further that relationship to one of real trust between us both. We're here, as one of our goals, and probably our number one goal, which is to ensure that this club endures, and that we operate on a financial footing that will never see this club in danger.
But apart from that, Gavin and myself have had a working relationship which helps us share information that no player would ever get to know, especially those that drift into the club and then out again. We don't just meet for a coffee and chew the fat, we actually do work together to promote DRFC for the benefit of all, but especially supporters. The flow of information that comes from those meetings helps in all kinds of areas. We also meet with various directors and shareholders within DRFC which further enhances the relationship on all sides.
To suggest that we don't discuss budgets and compare season on season, and how that budget is getting spent is insulting to both Gavin and myself. Its also insulting to the Supporters Board who give up their spare time and discuss the very same issues. Yes, I agree the accounts won't show everything, but thats why we sit down with the Finance Director and go through them in detail, so that we can understand wht they relate to and how that affects the performance of the club.
I'm not getting into a 'slanging match' either, nor do I consider this as one. But I'm happy to name my sources when I mention budgets and accounts. But to suggest that a player or a players rep will know more about DRFC is quite frankly absurd.
I think you’ve taken my assertion that you might not know everything a little too far. It was certainly not my intention to criticise the work of the club, or of yourself, or of the wider supporters board and nor have I done so. In fact I’d prefer if you didn’t try to insinuate that as it’s not called for. I was merely pointing out that you won’t necessarily be party to every conversation that does (or does not) take place. If you believe that you are then we shall agree to disagree.
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Think this has veered away a little. The question at hand was whether McCann had seen his budget cut. The answer to that on the basis of someone who has seen the evidence, appears to be no, it was not. The rest of the debate perhaps superfluous and best put to bed.
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If Darren Moore left tomorrow and McCann applied again v all those from the last list would you want McCann over them? I would say yes
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If Darren Moore left tomorrow and McCann applied again v all those from the last list would you want McCann over them? I would say yes
NO!
Can’t be trusted
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If Darren Moore left tomorrow and McCann applied again v all those from the last list would you want McCann over them? I would say yes
Absolutely not
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I think what upset most people was McCann spouting loyalty to the players and then vanishing off to Hull faster than we could blink.
Not many would criticise last seasons performance and entertainment.
That wasn’t the issue imo.
We were much better defensively under DM but not as prolific scoring goals.
Main reason of course was the loss of Marquis & Wilks to the team.
We never had a consistent goal scoring striker in the team & were far too reliant on Sadlier & Taylor who are not out & out strikers and the inexperienced Ennis.
Would we have McCann back if Moore left, well that’s up for debate. Don’t see it as something we will need to consider though.
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I am hoping that when Darren Moore leaves Doncaster Rovers it will be that far in the future that getting Grant McCann back will be forgotten about and we will be attracting top managers.
We can always dream.
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I believe that DRFC would continue to consider integrity to be an essential characteristic of any candidate and GM may have many qualities but did not show integrity over the way he dealt with out of contract players .
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From what I heard about his leaving there will be no way back for McCann while we have our current owners.
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Correct Hound.
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McCann got the best out of our players. He brought in two risky loanees and they came good. He brought in a experienced CH in January when we had injuries he played well. He had the players to play his 433. But he was stubborn keeping Tommy out of the side for Crawford. He also plays one way which will be his downfall at Hull. Plus losing his best players. He spoke of loyalty then left when the first opportunity arose. Whether he’ll get sack from Hull if relegated is debatable, will they get anymore points I don’t think they will.
We have a better manager now if we could have had Marquis and Wilks and Kane then we would have been in the top two. We move on and we may see Grant again in the opposite dugout if he stays at Hull.
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Thought he like Saunders did a good job in putting together a very competitive team from a standing start, given our previous manager left in middle of the close season. Very attractive football and some superb signings. Annoying he in turn left so late in the close season and after the squad had started to be rebuilt but cannot begrudge the guy his stint with us as an antidote to the previous few seasons of largely soporific and entirely forgettable football under the previous guy.
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Chris, you can’t be talking about McCann - standing start? He had some very good players at his disposal in Marquis, Rowe, Anderson, Wright, Andrew, Mason, Blair, Butler and 3 keepers. He added Kane and Wilks and he signed Crawford.
If anyone had to start with bare bones, it was DM, last season.
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Chris, you can’t be talking about McCann - standing start? He had some very good players at his disposal in Marquis, Rowe, Anderson, Wright, Andrew, Mason, Blair, Butler and 3 keepers. He added Kane and Wilks and he signed Crawford.
If anyone had to start with bare bones, it was DM, last season.
I meant he didn’t know any of these players and put together a side that was from the get go competitive, when as you point out many of the same players had been at the club previously and frankly, had been far from competitive in League One. Plus also, he made some very good additions.
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Chris, you can’t be talking about McCann - standing start? He had some very good players at his disposal in Marquis, Rowe, Anderson, Wright, Andrew, Mason, Blair, Butler and 3 keepers. He added Kane and Wilks and he signed Crawford.
If anyone had to start with bare bones, it was DM, last season.
I meant he didn’t know any of these players and put together a side that was from the get go competitive, when as you point out many of the same players had been at the club previously and frankly, had been far from competitive in League One. Plus also, he made some very good additions.
Before his 1st interview he'd watched every game from the season before, therefore he knew the players he was inheriting. Its the major reason he didn't have a clear out or demand a bunch of new signings.
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Chris, you can’t be talking about McCann - standing start? He had some very good players at his disposal in Marquis, Rowe, Anderson, Wright, Andrew, Mason, Blair, Butler and 3 keepers. He added Kane and Wilks and he signed Crawford.
If anyone had to start with bare bones, it was DM, last season.
Slightly pedantic but Crawford was already a done deal by Ferguson.
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It’s the big one tonight, as far as Wigan and Hull are concerned. If Wigan beat them, they’ll be 12 points ahead with a much better goal difference.
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1 nil down already after just 1 minutes
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1 nil down already after just 4 minutes
He’ll be sacked tonight 😂😂😂😂😂
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Wigan also 12 pts clear of Hull with 20mins gone
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3-0 after 30 mins
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Three nil now hahahaha
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They've given up, they look a beaten team and this could end up embarrassing .
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Look forward to post match press conference with Burnsy ripping into McCann :crying:
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4-0 before 40 minutes.
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4-0 after 37 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂
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What a pity we probably won't be able to go to the KC Stadium next season.
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5-0 now 😂😂😂
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This is hilarious!
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He could walk tonight. :laugh: :woot:
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6-0
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6-0 after 42 mins 😂😂😂😂😂
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6-0 after 42 minutes. What the hells going on???
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Wow well it is a rugby ground deffo can’t see him lasting the night
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Bye bye grant sky news just called hull pathetic lol
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6-0 f**king hell 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am genuinely excited for Burnseys interview
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He could walk tonight. :laugh: :woot:
"snakes slither"
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What’s the link for the Hull City message board please?
Got a feeling it could make good reading later
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It could have been worse - if we’d won the play-off’s, it could have been us! He’s not a Championship manager, is he?
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7
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7 anybody?
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7-0 now before H/T
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7
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We want 10.
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McCann will probably say apart from the goals i thought we were the better team.
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We want 10.
11 lol
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433 can’t play any other way looks like he’s fell out with his players before the seasons over. They will get no more points. Luton on Saturday then Cardiff.
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6-0 f**king hell 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am genuinely excited for Burnseys interview
Mcann: “what do you want us to do Burnsey, pack up and go home?”
Burnsey: “Well, yes Grant that is exactly what we want you to do” 😂😂😂😂😂
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Heads have gone only just half time
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can't wait for Burns'y to rip into him in his radio interview , show be pure gold.
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How can this happen? There isn’t even any real home advantage. 7 nil down at half time. Nobody sent off. Perfect conditions. Wow.
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How can this happen? There isn’t even any real home advantage. 7 nil down at half time. Nobody sent off. Perfect conditions. Wow.
McCann 4-3-3, one trick pony, his reputation is now shattered 😂😂😂😂
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I said I fancied Wigan to survive but couldn’t have scripted this I’m in hysterics
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I have to say Dull are exactly that, I haven't seen one Hull player on the field that looks like he wants to be there. Malik looks like Adebayo up front, he looks overweight and slow, at least Ade jumps (sort of) for headers. This is shambolic from Hull.
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Sadlier still want to go there,
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This is where I miss Grandstand. Not just 7 but 7 (SEVEN).
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Unbelievable really.
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Link anyone
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I would rather have McCann than both Dean ( I got Rovers promoted after leaving in January) Saunders and Darren ( Daddy’s little soldier) Ferguson.
Yes he did wrong by jumping ship after asking for loyalty, but if someone offered most people more money for the same job they would do the same, and do say they wouldn’t, because it’s only a job after all . There’s not many people involved at the sharp edge of football, players,managers,coaches that stop more than 7 years at a club. And before everyone jumps all my comments have a think what you would do in the same situation
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This is humiliating for McCann. There is no way those players respect him or are listening to him for that to happen.
You should never be 7-0 down at half time under anything but extreme circumstances. It's appalling.
He gets what he deserves for having the arrogance to think he could make something of that mess of a club, and leaving us the way he did to try it. An embarrassment.
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Sadlier still want to go there,
I don’t think he will.
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Malik subbed at half time.
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Link anyone
I don’t think this is on sky, but there’s regular updates on the bbc..
He’s got to be sacked now.?
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7-0 now before H/T
Reminds me a bit of that traumatic game when we lost 8-0 to Orient in the Richardson years. It would have been more but for the Orient manager subbing both his strikers after 60 minutes.
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8
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Let's put a cheeky £20'000 bid in for Wilkes
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I’m watching it and has just been said that it’s Hulls heaviest defeat for 109 years... gu on Grant.. you record breaker you 😂
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25 mins to go. :laugh:
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C’mon Wigan - what are you messing about at! :lol:
Mind you, they did hit the crossbar before No8 went in.
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Rush goalie is obviously not a tactic to be used at professional level 😂😂😂
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Are the players not playing for grunt the snake
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It did sound like he'd pissed a few of our players off in his time here so wouldn't be surprised if he'd lost the dressing room.
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Malik subbed at half time.
I mean he's not a player you'd think would be reliable in a relegation fight.
McCann just proving he made the wrong choice going to that club and that will prove his undoing. He's young and good enough to bounce back though.
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Don’t hold grudge against him to be honest. Enjoyed his football with us and the Charlton game was one of my top three ever.
You can never trust a Scu nt though and always thought he and Byrne would be off when they got a good offer - which they did.
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Don’t hold grudge against him to be honest. Enjoyed his football with us and the Charlton game was one of my top three ever.
You can never trust a Scu nt though and always thought he and Byrne would be off when they got a good offer - which they did.
They might not need a good offer to be off after this evening :blink:
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It did sound like he'd pissed a few of our players off in his time here so wouldn't be surprised if he'd lost the dressing room.
Scoreline would suggest he's lost the dressing room, the stadium and large sections of the East Coast at least.
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Don’t hold grudge against him to be honest. Enjoyed his football with us and the Charlton game was one of my top three ever.
You can never trust a Scu nt though and always thought he and Byrne would be off when they got a good offer - which they did.
Part of me thinks we were lucky. He seems to be a manager only with a plan A which worked with us last season as he had Copps, Wilks and Marquis up front. This season it was going OK when he had Grosicki and Bowen but now he's lost them they've been a shambles.
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He brought no-one in with Championship qualities and experience.
He’s severely limited. But, he thinks he’s better than the average.
Arrogance getting in the way again!
Karma.
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He bought Tom Eaves a lower league striker to play in the Championship, say no more 😂😂😂😂
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Tonight has confirmed they have been turned into a joke club.
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By the looks of things we have our own problems closer to home.
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Only lost second half 1-0 so that might save him!
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By the looks of things we have our own problems closer to home.
We really dont. if you are refering to Andrew stepping down.
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Their captain and vice captain refused to play after lockdown, real team spirit just like Taylor at Charlton , but as I posted earlier football is job to most of the players
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I fell off my chair when I turned the TV on and saw that 8-0 score line.
Crikey what’s gone on there. His team talk looks as though it fell on deaf ears.
Has he lost the dressing room? To lose by that score in such a huge match suggests all is not well. ( understatement )
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7-0 at half time, disappointed they didn’t get 10 or more..
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7-0 at half time, disappointed they didn’t get 10 or more..
to be fair Wigan are in administration; their players will be demotivated, pissed off, probably fearful for their professional and personal futures, looking to jump ship at the earliest opportunity, taking the remainder of this utterly half-arsed season as little more than a joke and in no fit state to provide any sort of test to an even half-way decent outfit - it's no surprise that that they pretty much gave up after sticking seven past McCann's set of t**ts in 45 minutes, to be fair
:lol:
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Could have been worse I suppose......
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7-0 at half time, disappointed they didn’t get 10 or more..
to be fair Wigan are in administration; their players will be demotivated, pissed off, probably fearful for their professional and personal futures, looking to jump ship at the earliest opportunity, taking the remainder of this utterly half-arsed season as little more than a joke and in no fit state to provide any sort of test to an even half-way decent outfit - it's no surprise that that they pretty much gave up after sticking seven past McCann's set of t**ts in 45 minutes, to be fair
:lol:
Crikey, what would a motivated team have done to them.
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7-0 at half time, disappointed they didn’t get 10 or more..
to be fair Wigan are in administration; their players will be demotivated, pissed off, probably fearful for their professional and personal futures, looking to jump ship at the earliest opportunity, taking the remainder of this utterly half-arsed season as little more than a joke and in no fit state to provide any sort of test to an even half-way decent outfit - it's no surprise that that they pretty much gave up after sticking seven past McCann's set of t**ts in 45 minutes, to be fair
:lol:
Crikey, what would a motivated team have done to them.
we'll find out next season.....
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After match interview...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08ks729
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
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Shame it wasn’t Burnsy asking the questions, he would have slaughtered him.
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Got to feel sorry for McCann after a result like that.
Actually, no, f**k him.
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Malik subbed at half time.
that might have been to save him for the next match !! which would have been a sensible move
--was thinking what the odds were about winning their next match and guess who it is mighty Luton away .sorry at home ... unbelievably a match they could win !!!! then its Cardiff away
apparently the players lost their appetite for both football and the post match meal lots of free food went begging could say they "ate nil" :suicide:
actually an 8-0 defeat ( in a cup game) i seem to recall didn't do Rovers any harm . At the time of the beating i decided what would happen at the end of the season and was right . :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/2553547.stm
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
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Malik subbed at half time.
that might have been to save him for the next match !! which would have been a sensible move
--was thinking what the odds were about winning their next match and guess who it is mighty Luton away .sorry at home ... unbelievably a match they could win !!!! then its Cardiff away
apparently the players lost their appetite for both football and the post match meal lots of free food went begging could say they "ate nil" :suicide:
actually an 8-0 defeat ( in a cup game) i seem to recall didn't do Rovers any harm . At the time of the beating i decided what would happen at the end of the season and was right . :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/2553547.stm
After we lost 8-0 at Leyton Orient I knew that I would get good natured stick from workmates. I bought a box of After Eight mints and handed them round when I got there in the morning. A good laugh all round and less stick.
Always remember that football goes in cycles. Enjoy the good times to help you through the bad times.The ones that shout and gloat the most are the ones that get the most stick when it goes wrong.
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
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Malik subbed at half time.
Always remember that football goes in cycles. Enjoy the good times to help you through the bad times.The ones that shout and gloat the most are the ones that get the most stick when it goes wrong.
Wise words Idler, very true.
That's why, apart from the McCann factor, there's another reason why I find myself with a wry smile at the current fortunes of Hull City.
During our incredible march to the Division 3 title in 2003-04 in our first season back in the Football League, we enjoyed a brilliant rivalry with Hull, from which we came out very much on top.
They of course had to settle for promotion as runners-up.
The following season however, they completed back-to-back promotions and went up into what is now the Championship.
After they clinched promotion, I made the mistake of going onto their fans' forum. I remember vividly reading one Hull fan's post in which he derided Rovers, with words along the lines of ''We're going back to the level where we belong, and I predict we'll never again have to play that odious little club with its odious fans......."
Not long after that, they achieved promotion to the Premier League and, begrudgingly, I thought he might be right.
Fast forward to now, to Grant McCann, to last night's humiliation and Hull's probable relegation into our League.
Funny how things come around isn't it?
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He sounded like a man who knew he had two games left as manager whether they stay up or not..
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If they get relegated I expect he will get the sack. If they survive by the skin of their teeth I suspect it would be curtains too, due to their shocking form.
That’s not a reflection of how we feel about McCann either, just an opinion on the realities of football today.
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From memory, I think he got a bonus if he kept them out of the bottom third.
That being the case, I suspect relegation was never considered a possibility.
Like every manager though, McCann will get another club sooner or later.
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Like every manager though, McCann will get another club sooner or later.
Paul Dickov never got another club . ;) anyway Colchester are looking for a new manager , McCann can always go to L2 if he get's the sack.
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Toll Bar Raggy Arse Wanderers are looking for a new manager. Ten quid and a packet of condoms per match.
That's about his level now.
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Toll Bar Raggy Arse Wanderers are looking for a new manager. Ten quid and a packet of condoms per match.
That's about his level now.
does anyone remember this .... Dickov was actually 5/2 favourite for The Sheffield Wednesday job :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
the idea was so stupid CLH never forgot that "joke"
https://ws.sportsmole.co.uk/football/sheffield-wednesday/news/dickov-in-running-for-owls-job_122480.html
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Fate eh? If he'd stayed with us, I believe we would have been right up there this season pushing for automatic promotion.
Eejit.
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Not sure PDX.
I said at the time he left that jumping ship, to that club of all clubs, screamed out that McCann didn't have confidence in himself.
He inherited an excellent situation at Donny. For all Ferguson's faults, he had put together a superb squad. And McCann was given support to improve it. And fair play to him, he did a very good job with what he had. If he's had confidence in his own ability, he'd have stayed another year. he would have built on what he'd done and taken us up, or at least had us challenging seriously again. Do that, and he'd have had good, well-run Championship clubs sniffing round.
But he knew Marquis was going. He knew Rowe was going. He knew he wasn't going to get Wilks and Kane back. He knew he had to rebuild the defence. I don't think he had the self-confidence to trust himself to do that. So instead, he jumped at the first Championship club t show him a bit of leg. Even a shit show like Hull.
I said 12 months ago that he was only 2 months of shit form away from seeing his managerial career evaporate. Who is going to take him on now? A CV of one featherbedded "nearly" with us, where he left us far worse than he found us, one massive under achievement at Peterborough and one utter catastrophe at Hull.
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Football is a job , if someone offers more money to do the same job elsewhere the majority of people will take it .
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Did anyone see the goals last night ? The hattrick and 8th was an absolute belter
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Nice one BST, I like that piece, as it says it as it was. He was very lucky in a lot of ways - inheriting what was a good solid base of a squad that had a lot of potential within it. Then, he dropped lucky with Kane and Wilks. The number of times we sign up and coming young lads that find it difficult when they are playing against tried and tested pro’s every week! But those 2 blossomed and why, because they were in very good company, that’s why. Kane had Whiteman alongside and Wilks had Marquis doing the bits Wilks doesn’t like.........grafting!
I think he realised himself at the end of last season that losing the likes of Rowe, Butler and Marquis was going to be a massive, if not impossible, task, given the budget constraints. And, don’t forget his words after the Charlton game - “we’ll come back stronger”. Defiant words, with no substance to them at all. I’ll bet, to this day, he regrets saying it.
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Football is a job , if someone offers more money to do the same job elsewhere the majority of people will take it .
Sometimes, in all walks of life stability for a bit less is far better than uncertainty for a little more.
He surely knew from their past record that our owners are patient and don't go for knee jerk decisions and reactions.
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Alan I totally agree with that except the Butler part - we didn’t so much lose him as kick him out. By the sound of things GM didn’t leave us needing to send Christmas cards to people left at Rovers, he seemed to have upset many long before departing.
I guess the old adage “you reap what you sow” fits here
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Alan I totally agree with that except the Butler part - we didn’t so much lose him as kick him out. By the sound of things GM didn’t leave us needing to send Christmas cards to people left at Rovers, he seemed to have upset many long before departing.
I guess the old adage “you reap what you sow” fits here
He's seems to have upset quite a few people at Hull by looking at their results, 1 win in 19 and that was only down to a 91st min winner against Middlesbrough.
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Saw this in relation to what McCann blamed the defeat on
He blamed the ref for not agreeing to his request to have a new ball provided.
Apparently when the ref asked what was wrong with the existing ball, McCann said 'Wigan are playing with that one'.
Brilliant!
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Bang on post that BST, I do agree.
Based on the reaction to his sudden departure last summer from players - Marosi, Butler and Andrew spring immediately to mind - and now seeing the total lack of desire in the Hull players, it would appear from the outside that McCann has a man management problem. You won't get too far in this business alienating your players. Surprised he didn't learn this as a player since he captained various teams.
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Football is a job , if someone offers more money to do the same job elsewhere the majority of people will take it .
There's a world of difference between a "job" and a "career".
I'll give you an example. 4 years ago, a well-backed new company offered to double my income. But it would have meant me winding up a company I've built over 15 years. I was tempted but I said no. As it is, the new company seems to have struggled to make an impact in the market, whereas we have plodded on. It looks like I made the right choice, even if it meant turning down an eyewatering package 4 years back.
That's a story that McCann might have time to reflect on over the coming years.
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Not sure PDX.
I said at the time he left that jumping ship, to that club of all clubs, screamed out that McCann didn't have confidence in himself.
He inherited an excellent situation at Donny. For all Ferguson's faults, he had put together a superb squad. And McCann was given support to improve it. And fair play to him, he did a very good job with what he had. If he's had confidence in his own ability, he'd have stayed another year. he would have built on what he'd done and taken us up, or at least had us challenging seriously again. Do that, and he'd have had good, well-run Championship clubs sniffing round.
But he knew Marquis was going. He knew Rowe was going. He knew he wasn't going to get Wilks and Kane back. He knew he had to rebuild the defence. I don't think he had the self-confidence to trust himself to do that. So instead, he jumped at the first Championship club t show him a bit of leg. Even a shit show like Hull.
I said 12 months ago that he was only 2 months of shit form away from seeing his managerial career evaporate. Who is going to take him on now? A CV of one featherbedded "nearly" with us, where he left us far worse than he found us, one massive under achievement at Peterborough and one utter catastrophe at Hull.
Brilliant post. Every aspect of it is totally correct.
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I tend to agree with what BST has mentioned also - however, I would always want to do better and the chance to earn significantly more would be enticing. Football is a short career never knowing what is around the corner.
We are obviously very tribalistic about this - how dare they leave our club for a bigger supported club, and an extra grand a week! I dare bet most of us would think long and hard about jumping ship, for a quarter of that!
What I would say BST is, they were offering you the money for your contacts, and you could have made the difference at that company and gained them a foothold in the sector. Whether they would have rinsed you dry and got rid, is another thing.
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I don't think anybody would begrudge somebody moving onwards and upwards. It was the way it was done that sticks in the throat.
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I tend to agree with what BST has mentioned also - however, I would always want to do better and the chance to earn significantly more would be enticing. Football is a short career never knowing what is around the corner.
We are obviously very tribalistic about this - how dare they leave our club for a bigger supported club, and an extra grand a week! I dare bet most of us would think long and hard about jumping ship, for a quarter of that!
What I would say BST is, they were offering you the money for your contacts, and you could have made the difference at that company and gained them a foothold in the sector. Whether they would have rinsed you dry and got rid, is another thing.
I think you've missed the point of BST's post. Because of all the circumstances of both clubs, and McCann's CV, it wasn't a career enhancing move to join Hull; in fact it was the opposite.
It might possibly have ruined his managerial prospects for good.
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No I understood it fully , you obviously don't (or should'nt) jump ship without due diligence - he must have seen, or have been given assurances that filled him with enough confidence they could at least stay up, and build from there.
If the reports of a bonus for staying out of the bottom three is true, it would say to me they that their expectations were pretty low, so perhaps he thought it was an easier job than it turned out.
I thought they would at least stay up, they had enough quality within the team - some of that was sold off however!
Im not defending Mcsnake here by the way, he left us high and dry by all accounts, mind you it wouldn't be DRFC if things were nice and smooth.
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No I understood it fully , you obviously don't (or should'nt) jump ship without due diligence - he must have seen, or have been given assurances that filled him with enough confidence they could at least stay up, and build from there.
If the reports of a bonus for staying out of the bottom three is true, it would say to me they that their expectations were pretty low, so perhaps he thought it was an easier job than it turned out.
I thought they would at least stay up, they had enough quality within the team - some of that was sold off however!
Im not defending Mcsnake here by the way, he left us high and dry by all accounts, mind you it wouldn't be DRFC if things were nice and smooth.
If my memory is correct the offered bonus wasn't for staying out of the bottom three, it was for staying out of the bottom third of the division.
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Only 2 win since and including new years day a bit like our away form under mccan when we only won away at Bradford in 2019
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No I understood it fully , you obviously don't (or should'nt) jump ship without due diligence - he must have seen, or have been given assurances that filled him with enough confidence they could at least stay up, and build from there.
If the reports of a bonus for staying out of the bottom three is true, it would say to me they that their expectations were pretty low, so perhaps he thought it was an easier job than it turned out.
I thought they would at least stay up, they had enough quality within the team - some of that was sold off however!
Im not defending Mcsnake here by the way, he left us high and dry by all accounts, mind you it wouldn't be DRFC if things were nice and smooth.
If my memory is correct the offered bonus wasn't for staying out of the bottom three, it was for staying out of the bottom third of the division.
That's how I remember it too, Hound, hence my earlier post.
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Bottom third confirmed here:
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/grant-mccann-hull-city-bonus-3010245
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No I understood it fully , you obviously don't (or should'nt) jump ship without due diligence - he must have seen, or have been given assurances that filled him with enough confidence they could at least stay up, and build from there.
If the reports of a bonus for staying out of the bottom three is true, it would say to me they that their expectations were pretty low, so perhaps he thought it was an easier job than it turned out.
I thought they would at least stay up, they had enough quality within the team - some of that was sold off however!
Im not defending Mcsnake here by the way, he left us high and dry by all accounts, mind you it wouldn't be DRFC if things were nice and smooth.
If my memory is correct the offered bonus wasn't for staying out of the bottom three, it was for staying out of the bottom third of the division.
That's how I remember it too, Hound, hence my earlier post.
Ah cheers DRN, I don’t read every post on every thread.
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ahh I mis read the post! I thought it was a strange bonus system, that screamed "we think were going down" still, a bonus for staying out of the bottom third, kind of states where they think they are as a club - I wonder why, is that budget related compared to other clubs?
The figures I saw reported that they payed players were huge, so that is frightening, and in no way can rovers compete in that league.
We, along with Barnsley and Rotherham have pulled off minor miracles to stay in that league for more than one season
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Looking at Hulls twitter apparently he didn't take training today and sent Cliff into the pre match conference.
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Jmt
Without going into too much detail about my case, they wanted me for my expertise which they thought could help them develop specific products.
I had two issues. Loyalty to what I've built myself. And a nagging concern that there was nothing in their products.
It's actually a very, very close analogy to McCann's case.
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I don't think anybody would begrudge somebody moving onwards and upwards. It was the way it was done that sticks in the throat.
Absolutely don't blame anyone for doing that.
I just thought that jumping into a shit show like Hull, and leaving us in the mess he did said a lot about his lack of belief in his own ability.
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I don't think anybody would begrudge somebody moving onwards and upwards. It was the way it was done that sticks in the throat.
Absolutely don't blame anyone for doing that.
I just thought that jumping into a shit show like Hull, and leaving us in the mess he did said a lot about his lack of belief in his own ability.
He never struck me as someone who doubted his ability, but even as it was happening you had to question his judgement, and his willingness to treat DRFC the way he did.
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I think he took what he saw as a calculated risk.
If you look at the timeline of events; straight after the Charlton game he was adamant that we had deals lined up that were close to completion.
As time wore on, those deals didn’t appear to materialise.
It was clear from January that Marquis would move on in the summer. Kane and Wilks departed with no realistic chance of return and Downing started to slip from our grasp.
I’d imagine he did question whether he’d be able to match or better the previous season with that sequence of events.
The chance at Hull came up, and they are a shit show of a club, but they were in the Championship with at least one if not two of the top players in the division. A less successful season with us could have made a move to the Championship that bit harder for him, so he took the chance when it arose. I thought it was the wrong decision for him at the time, and history looks like it’ll prove that. I also felt he could’ve shown more loyalty to our club after we gave him a good job and backed him. He left security for a real wildcard. As time has worn on, looking back at the situation and bearing in mind the above timeline, I’ve begun to understand it more regardless of whether I still feel he made an error (and I’m sure deep down he’ll question that too).
I wish him no ill. He was brilliant for us in that season and I loved watching the team under him. I’ll follow his career with interest after that and I think he still has enough stock to bounce back from the current mess. They may even stay up but I expect McCann will move on regardless. Failing at Hull is a bit like failing at Leeds became for a period of time - a blemish that can easily be wiped out elsewhere.
That was always the risk, that’s football and it’s a short career.
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I agree Jonathan, he now has managerial Championship experience - which is how I would market myself when going for jobs.
BST - that's fair enough, the only difference I suppose is , you had/have control over your destiny, im not sure many managers do, even when they are doing well in some cases.
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Makes you wonder if Adkins gave him the full story and he just ignored it or if he only got half a tale from his mentor
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I agree Jonathan, he now has managerial Championship experience - which is how I would market myself when going for jobs.
BST - that's fair enough, the only difference I suppose is , you had/have control over your destiny, im not sure many managers do, even when they are doing well in some cases.
That is a very fair point. Football management is a precarious job and I can see why managers would want to take opportunities when they emerge rather than run the risk of staying put and being axed anyway on a Chairman's whim.
But if there is one club which has shown its willingness to support managers over the long-term, through peaks and troughs, surely it is the Rovers. We supported O'Driscoll and Ferguson through runs of bad form that stand alongside anything in the club's history, and gave them the chance to come good. McCann must have known that he'd get plenty of support to demonstrate his ability with us and wouldn't be booted out after a couple of months of poor form. It all adds to the sense that he didn't feel capable of stepping up to that challenge and building his long-term reputation, preferring to grab what everyone could see was a poisoned chalice at Hull. The fact that Moore came in to the disaster that McCann had left, and took us to within two or three shocking refereeing decisions of making the play-offs shows what a top quality manager could do here. McCann passed up on that chance and he's got a long, hard job to do to develop his reputation now.
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Lose this afternoon and Hull are effectively down.
What a shame...
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Well done to Charlton, in digging out those two draws to take them 3 points from both Hull and Luton.
Charlton will be hoping there’s a few headaches in Leeds next week!
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Lose this afternoon and Hull are effectively down.
What a shame...
Not quite, they would be 3 behind Luton and Charlton but they have a better goal difference than Luton, so if they lose narrowly but win on Wednesday they may jump ahead of them and finish above Wigan once their deduction is applied, since Wigan blew it late against Charlton.
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Lose this afternoon and Hull are effectively down.
What a shame...
Not quite, they would be 3 behind Luton and Charlton but they have a better goal difference than Luton, so if they lose narrowly but win on Wednesday they may jump ahead of them and finish above Wigan once their deduction is applied, since Wigan blew it late against Charlton.
I'm a pragmatist. If they lose, they are 3 points and 16+ goals behind Charlton. Lose today and they are down.
Come on Luton!
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1-0 Luton
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Luton just scored. Whoopydo.
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Lua-lua
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They've gotta be down now.
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All over. Hull must be down now.
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They lost and are pretty much down now. Their form has been absolutely miserable. Last 20 games have delivered 16 defeats, 3 draws and 1 victory (2-1 with last minute goal). They have lost their last five games in a row. Exceptionally poor form.
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Katanga LuaLua, the former Rovers player, all but sinks Hull. Funny old world!
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They have to score about 16 goals agaist Cardiff to stay up lol
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It depends how many points Wigan are penalised!
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It is three now from five - Dingles, Hull, Luton, Wigan and Charlton. At moment looks like Charlton have best chance of avoiding relegation. Bun fight for rest.
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
Yes well done you were right !!!
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Well done Mr McCann.
Should have stayed with us. The grass isn’t always greener.
Thought he was mad to go to Hull and it turns out he was.
A club on a massive downer. He must have seen £ signs. Can’t see what else could have been his motivation in taking that job.
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Wigan play Fulham who now have something to play for a win puts them on 83. They have to win and hope West Brom and Brentford lose.
Luton play Blackburn, Hull away at Cardiff and Charlton away Leeds. Barnsley got two fixtures Notts Forest at home and Brentford away.
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On the verge of relegation and not a shot on target. Pathetic
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Seriously, can Hull win anything? What is it, one win in the last 20 (and that was only down to a last minute goal from Wilks). Ferguson-esque, if you ask me.
If Wigan get docked their 12, they’re still 1 point ahead of Hull. Charlton have to go to Leeds and upset their party!
The 3 down are starting to look like Barnsley, Hull and Charlton.
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It’s too close to call.
Think Barnsley have too much to do. Even they could pull of a Houdini. Highly improbable as all other results would need to go in their favour.
I think Luton’s win today may send Wigan down with Hull & Barnsley.
Luton to draw with Blackburn and Wigan to draw with Fulham.
Charlton even if they lose at Leeds which is not certain would stay up courtesy of Wigan’s 12 points deduction.
Can’t see Barnsley beating Forest & Brentford and expect Cardiff to see off Hull.
But what do i know. This is the beauty of the unpredictability of football and the Championship in particular.
It will probably go down to the the last 5 mins.
At the other end West Brom or Brentford. Most would say WBA now, but will there be a final twist at the death ???
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Seriously, can Hull win anything? What is it, one win in the last 20 (and that was only down to a last minute goal from Wilks). Ferguson-esque, if you ask me.
If Wigan get docked their 12, they’re still 1 point ahead of Hull. Charlton have to go to Leeds and upset their party!
The 3 down are starting to look like Barnsley, Hull and Charlton.
Alan Wigan will have to beat Fulham even if Charlton lose at Leeds. They might of course but a draw won’t be enough.
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Birmingham City have had 0 wins 3 draws and 5 defeats since the re start.
Good job they had points in the bank. On 50 & will survive by the skin of their teeth.
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BBC humberside said to McCann you had no shots on target to which he replied “yeah it’s something we need to work on!!” Lost the plot grant me old mucka.
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I think our u23’s would have half a chance v Hull.
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I'll be amazed if Wigan get a points penalty given the context.
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The EFL just can't wipe out the rules just because of the circumstances of how Wigans Administration came about. That is a matter for Wigan and their owner etc.
What the EFL will do is wait to determine when to apply the points deduction. Only the final games will determine whether the 12 points will relegate them or not.
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I'll be amazed if Wigan get a points penalty given the context.
The EFL already confirmed the deduction and I doubt they'll move on that. They can't apply it until the season ends due to the timing, so it is entirely dependent on how far clear of relegation Wigan finish now as to whether they lose 12 points this season or next.
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I'll be amazed if Wigan get a points penalty given the context.
The EFL already confirmed the deduction and I doubt they'll move on that. They can't apply it until the season ends due to the timing, so it is entirely dependent on how far clear of relegation Wigan finish now as to whether they lose 12 points this season or next.
My apologies. I've not kept up with the news.
That seems to me to be a bigger failing of natural justice than both putting Wycombe in the play-offs and not awarding us the result vs Bolton.
Regarding the effect on Hull though, the only way it can come into play is with the following results.
Hull beat Cardiff and
Luton lose against Blackburn and
Wigan fail to beat Fulham
Going on the bookies' odds, that's roughly a 50/1 shot.
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I'll be amazed if Wigan get a points penalty given the context.
The EFL already confirmed the deduction and I doubt they'll move on that. They can't apply it until the season ends due to the timing, so it is entirely dependent on how far clear of relegation Wigan finish now as to whether they lose 12 points this season or next.
Wigan have appealed it, for what it's worth, so the EFL do have a formal chance to reconsider it. However, I doubt they would and I'm unsure whether they should. They'll be thinking if they cave on this, it opens the door for more investors to do the same (or similar) thing.
Also, let's not forget Wednesday are looking at a points deduction at some point, too. Hull could survive, as their dodgy owners didn't break any rules, whereas the other two did! How's that for sporting integrity!
If they do survive, they'll be in for a miserable time next season, though. Given the Athletic report about their slashed wage bill and the owners being unwilling to spend money on players to replace the ones who left, they'll be getting turned over every week, McCann or no McCann.
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I think we can count ourselves lucky the players that mccan tuck to Hull could have been the players he wanted to bring to the keepmoat
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If they go down that's two examples of managers who have left us in recent times and found the grass isn't greener, Saunders and now possibly McCann't, I know they got a chance to manage in the Championship but we should use them as examples to any future managers who want to leave lol 😂😂
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I like the quote in Reply 336 from Prez above
(Getting some shots on target) "is something we need to work at"
Managers in all Clubs in all Divisions have endless Pressers to fill and often come out with anything to fill the empty void but that surely has to be up there in the top 10 of unusual "comments". Passing shooting scoring throwing the ball in are all inate parts of the game surely ?
He must really have meant we must play better as a team (and then that will up our possession ratio, we will play more of the game in our opponents half , maybe get more chances , have more shots on goal and perhaps score more goals)
Anyway I dont want to kick a bloke when he's (almost certainly) d-o-w-n ! :evil: :scarf: :evil: Bye
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I think our u23’s would have half a chance v Hull.
I think Hull K R would have half a chance against them. :lol:
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I think our u23’s would have half a chance v Hull.
I think Hull K R would have half a chance against them. :lol:
I reckon I could find 11 people walking round town who would have a chance against them. 😂
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Rules and the EFL are irrelevent depending on how the club concerned is viewed by whoever sits in judgement for the EFL.
Well it was in the cases of Leeds United, Southampton, Leicester City, and Bolton Wanderers, not so much in Hereford, Stockport County, and Macclesfields cases.
It depends on what scale they view Wigan how they are punished if past wrong doing by clubs is taken into consideration.
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Rules and the EFL are irrelevent depending on how the club concerned is viewed by whoever sits in judgement for the EFL.
Well it was in the cases of Leeds United, Southampton, Leicester City, and Bolton Wanderers, not so much in Hereford, Stockport County, and Macclesfields cases.
It depends on what scale they view Wigan how they are punished if past wrong doing by clubs is taken into consideration.
I would hope that they are investigating this 'alleged' bet properly.
If it is remotely true, that the owner only put the club into administrtion to win a bet for somebody, then surely that should either cancel the points deduction or apply it next season. So that thy do not benefit from what to me seems a criminal act.
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Does look like Barnsley, Hull and Wigan going down. Tough ask for Wigan to win against Fulham. Draw not good enough for them. That win yesterday for Luton was absolutely critical.
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Didn’t Blackpool avoid a points deduction dud to circumstances with the former owners
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after yesterdays results the host on radio 5 mentioned the Sheff Wednesday situation had not been resolved over fair play and hinted they could lose 12 points . if wigan are relegated they will obviously appeal holding things up so who knows what will happen. with lots of knock on effects
Barnsley did a lot lot better than we expected at Leeds and could have been ahead i see no reason why they could not win both matches especially if Brentford are in don't care mode.
Forest will in this" financial challenging world" maybe protect their "cash and lolley" from exposure to injury ........ they don't earn any interest anyhow :suicide: :suicide:
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Brentford will be going all-out to win against Barnsley, they still have a very good chance of automatic promotion.
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I don't think they will sack him if they get relegated
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after yesterdays results the host on radio 5 mentioned the Sheff Wednesday situation had not been resolved over fair play and hinted they could lose 12 points . if wigan are relegated they will obviously appeal holding things up so who knows what will happen. with lots of knock on effects
Barnsley did a lot lot better than we expected at Leeds and could have been ahead i see no reason why they could not win both matches especially if Brentford are in don't care mode.
Forest will in this" financial challenging world" maybe protect their "cash and lolley" from exposure to injury ........ they don't earn any interest anyhow :suicide: :suicide:
well done Dingles we dont want you in Division one next year by the way -- you have murdered them all match yes Cash was not selected and lolley was on the bench --- game on !!!
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Barnsley won nice
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Very pleasing on the eye. :evil:
(https://i.imgur.com/wpeB8Kz.png)
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
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Very pleasing on the eye. :evil:
(https://i.imgur.com/wpeB8Kz.png)
Win their final game and others lose plus Wigan deduction and they could easily stay up.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
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Very pleasing on the eye. :evil:
(https://i.imgur.com/wpeB8Kz.png)
Hahahahahahahaha!!!! 🐍🐍🐍🐍
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
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Definitely not. More twists to come.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
If Hull somehow manage to win and stay up i'll climb up to the top of the Keepmoat and show my arse.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
If Hull somehow manage to win and stay up i'll climb up to the top of the Keepmoat and show my arse.
I don't think they'll stay up either, and I certainly don't want them to, but it's nowhere near impossible.
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Pathetic the Wigan decision isn't finalised
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
If Hull somehow manage to win and stay up i'll climb up to the top of the Keepmoat and show my arse.
I don't think they'll stay up either, and I certainly don't want them to, but it's nowhere near impossible.
They need an 11 goal swing too though.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
If Hull somehow manage to win and stay up i'll climb up to the top of the Keepmoat and show my arse.
I don't think they'll stay up either, and I certainly don't want them to, but it's nowhere near impossible.
Goners.
Saw on Twitter a Hull fan put money on them when they were something daft like 500/1 to go down just as they sold Bowen.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
If Hull somehow manage to win and stay up i'll climb up to the top of the Keepmoat and show my arse.
I don't think they'll stay up either, and I certainly don't want them to, but it's nowhere near impossible.
They need an 11 goal swing too though.
No they don't. If they win their last game and Barnsley, Luton, and Wigan all lose, they'll go above them all, as their goal difference is better than Luton's.
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Going to be some finish in the Championship. 1 promotion, 2 play off & 2 relegation places to be decided.
3 relegation places.
Hull are gone. Suppose there is Wigans point deduction to consider.
Hull are not relegated yet.
If Hull somehow manage to win and stay up i'll climb up to the top of the Keepmoat and show my arse.
I don't think they'll stay up either, and I certainly don't want them to, but it's nowhere near impossible.
They need an 11 goal swing too though.
No they don't. If they win their last game and Barnsley, Luton, and Wigan all lose, they'll go above them all, as their goal difference is better than Luton's.
They wouldn't go above Wigan....... as their deduction hasn't yet been applied/verified and there are going to be appeals in-coming. TBH if they manage to win at Cardiff - who are trying to stay in the play-offs and have only lost 3 games at home all year - then maybe they will deserve it..... however, they will still need to hope that 3 other teams get beat and that Wigan's 12 point deduction is upheld....
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Pathetic the Wigan decision isn't finalised
Typical of the EFL.
Not fit for purpose.
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Couldn’t agree more Hound
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Hull only now stay up if.
They beat Cardiff
Barnsley fail to win at Brentford.
Luton lose at home to Blackburn Rovers.
Wigan don't beat Fulham.
And, the EFL actually impose the 12 point penalty on Wigan, which would be a ridiculous outcome in light of what is looking like criminality.
I'd give you at the very least 100/1 against that outcome.
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The Wigan deduction is finalised guys, since they went into administration after the March cut-off date the 12 points have to come off when it will make a difference. So, if they finish less than 12 points clear of the drop zone they lose the points and go down, if they finish further clear then the deduction comes off next season instead since it wouldn't really make any difference to be applied when they're safe and will stay safe.
This was outlined at the very start of this Wigan fiasco, it adds an extra level of complication to the relegation battle but has been clearly set out the whole time.
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I can’t see why folks are having a go at the EFL re Wigan, their situation is probably very complicated and none of us outside of that really know what’s going on, do we.?
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I can't wait for Wednesday on Sky Sports to watch it all unfold, at both ends of the league.
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Wow. Turns out GM's parents are Nietzsche too
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/everything-grant-mccann-said-luton-4341859
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McCann is a one trick pony - unfortunately that trick hasn't worked at Hull like it did (to a certain extent) at Rovers. The amount of commitment it must have taken to keep playing the same losing system over and over again, and not ever try anything else takes some audacity - but GM managed it, even when on such a terrible run since the new year......
I'm not sure that he will walk - and if he doesn't, I'm not sure he will be sacked either...
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Pathetic the Wigan decision isn't finalised
Typical of the EFL.
Not fit for purpose.
Not really. They always delay decision on imposing penalties so it has the maximum effect. They'll announce as soon as relegation is assured or not.
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On the natural justice of the Wigan points deduction.
If what we see in the Press is correct, Wigan were put into administration by the new owner to force a points deduction and relegation in order to fix a huge bet.
If that is correct, and known, the EFL would be committing two enormous crimes against natural justice by imposing the 12 point penalty in order to relegate Wigan.
1) They would be aiding and abetting a fraud.
2) They would be benefitting the owner of the club by penalising the "club".
The penalty for going into administration was introduced to help stop poor or irresponsible management of football clubs. If what we have heard about the Wigan case is correct, there is no way that natural justice requires a 12 point penalty on Wigan this season. Quite the reverse. That would be an outrage against justice.
If the EFL rules require that to happen then call an EGM and change the rules.
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On the natural justice of the Wigan points deduction.
If what we see in the Press is correct, Wigan were put into administration by the new owner to force a points deduction and relegation in order to fix a huge bet.
If that is correct, and known, the EFL would be committing two enormous crimes against natural justice by imposing the 12 point penalty in order to relegate Wigan.
1) They would be aiding and abetting a fraud.
2) They would be benefitting the owner of the club by penalising the "club".
The penalty for going into administration was introduced to help stop poor or irresponsible management of football clubs. If what we have heard about the Wigan case is correct, there is no way that natural justice requires a 12 point penalty on Wigan this season. Quite the reverse. That would be an outrage against justice.
If the EFL rules require that to happen then call an EGM and change the rules.
Agree 100%. If they impose a retrospective points deduction without robust evidence to confirm that the alleged betting scam is unfounded (I’ve only skimmed through the allegations myself but it appears there’s enough there to warrant thorough investigation), then I think the EFL decision makers ought to be investigated themselves.
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I would imagine that the betting company/companies expected to pay up all already be in contact with the EFL.
I can’t see them willing to just cough up.
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Wow. Turns out GM's parents are Nietzsche too
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/everything-grant-mccann-said-luton-4341859
Not sure what the best/worst bit of that is. Is it that he says he took us to "the brink of the Play Offs" last season when I'm pretty sure I remember us being in the Play Offs, or is it that, when pressed on the reason why this disaster has happened, he landed on "just not winning enough games".
I feel sorry for Hull fans if that's what they're putting up with every week in his interviews.
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Currently 1-0 down at Cardiff and, according to the stats, getting battered.
Interesting, atm, it looks like 2 out of the 3 teams that went up last season, will come down again. If it hadn’t been for Hull being sh1te, all 3 of them could have been down!
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As it stands Birmingham will escape by the skin of their teeth yet again
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“Bring me the head of the snake”
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As it stands Birmingham will escape by the skin of their teeth yet again
They're safe anyway tonight as Wigan are having the 12 points regardless after full time for some reason. So it's Wigan and the bottom four fighting it out.
Not that Charlton or Hull are putting up much fight! We'll be playing them next season.
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As it stands Birmingham will escape by the skin of their teeth yet again
They're safe anyway tonight as Wigan are having the 12 points regardless after full time for some reason. So it's Wigan and the bottom four fighting it out.
Not that Charlton or Hull are putting up much fight! We'll be playing them next season.
I was just pointing out how they seem to always just survive
Also as it stands with Wigans 12 point deduction Barnsley survive
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Brentford doing their best to cock up automatic promotion again, only this time losing their last two games instead of just the one.
(Assuming that Barnsley can hang on of course)
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“Bring me the head of the snake”
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Hull, Charlton and Wigan down at the moment.
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after yesterdays results the host on radio 5 mentioned the Sheff Wednesday situation had not been resolved over fair play and hinted they could lose 12 points . if wigan are relegated they will obviously appeal holding things up so who knows what will happen. with lots of knock on effects
Barnsley did a lot lot better than we expected at Leeds and could have been ahead i see no reason why they could not win both matches especially if Brentford are in don't care mode.
Forest will in this" financial challenging world" maybe protect their "cash and lolley" from exposure to injury ........ they don't earn any interest anyhow :suicide: :suicide:
well done Dingles we dont want you in Division one next year by the way -- you have murdered them all match yes Cash was not selected and lolley was on the bench --- game on !!!
i'm posting this up whilst I am in Nostradamus mode
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
Yes well done you were right !!!
It looks like I am right too about Luton having momentum and that there would be no more points for Hull this season.
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Brentford doing their best to cock up automatic promotion again, only this time losing their last two games instead of just the one.
(Assuming that Barnsley can hang on of course)
Mmmmm, I might have helped them out with my above post.
Brentford equalise and QPR level up at WBA.
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Brentford doing their best to cock up automatic promotion again, only this time losing their last two games instead of just the one.
(Assuming that Barnsley can hang on of course)
Mmmmm, I might have helped them out with my above post.
Brentford equalise and QPR level up at WBA.
I did the same but if Barnsley go down they will be very short favourites to go back up whist Charlton if they came down could easily get relegated in my world
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I wonder if there might be a last minute goal like Rovers did Brentford -- trouble is not sure which way ??
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Barnsley winner.
Wigan, Charlton and Hull down now. Not long left.
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Brentford .......chokers.
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Hull, Charlton and Wigan or Barnsley get relegated (the appeal)
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I doubt that Sheff Weds will be drawn into that situation.
Their potential nine point deduction will probably be reduced to just six points to keep them clear of relegation.
Too big to send down perhaps.
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If the EFL had applied PPG for the championship it would have been alot different, certainly at the bottom.
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That is some collapse from Hull regardless of who they sold in January.
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I wonder what McCann will be working on now........his cv?
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That is also some revival by Luton
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He might be watching DVDs of all the games played this season by some club or other.
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
Yes well done you were right !!!
It looks like I am right too about Luton having momentum and that there would be no more points for Hull this season.
If you are in Nostradamus mode then you would have predicted Hull would go down? And that the snake would be sacked in the morning? :crying: :crying: :crying: Sorry meant for Colemans post! :blush:
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Fair bit of generosity to Luton tonight. Two OGs and a pen.
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I think Barnsley can hold their chests out tonight. There is still the small matter of Wigan, though. I can see this rumbling on until after next season is supposed to start, given the speed of anything EFL related.
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
Yes well done you were right !!!
It looks like I am right too about Luton having momentum and that there would be no more points for Hull this season.
If you are in Nostradamus mode Graham then you would have predicted Hull would go down? And that the snake would be sacked in the morning? :crying: :crying: :crying:
Ha, I think that no more points this season for Hull was saying that they were going down.
As for McCann, I think you might be right about that.
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My neighbour is a Forest fan...... he is currently pacing his garden after they managed to lose 4:1 at home to Stoke, whilst Swansea won 4:1 away at Reading to claim the final play-off spot by a goal difference of one.....
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I think Barnsley can hold their chests out tonight. There is still the small matter of Wigan, though. I can see this rumbling on until after next season is supposed to start, given the speed of anything EFL related.
I think you could be right on that Alan.
How the heck can the teams involved make plans.
It will be a serious problem unless there is a quick decision made.
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
Yes well done you were right !!!
It looks like I am right too about Luton having momentum and that there would be no more points for Hull this season.
If you are in Nostradamus mode Graham then you would have predicted Hull would go down? And that the snake would be sacked in the morning? :crying: :crying: :crying:
Ha, I think that no more points this season for Hull was saying that they were going down.
As for McCann, I think you might be right about that.
……………. if you had stayed on "my lead" you could have had a quarter of the P & O crown
Draw.
at long last i am going to let my "hound" off his leash .(and we go our seperate ways) :coat:.. seem to remember going for Rovers to win when Bristol Rovers were third ... easy win this. it's not over til the fat lady sorry man sings and Akinfenwa can't sing :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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I suspect we won't have to wait long for Wigans points deduction to be applied. The appeal on the other hand?!
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actually having just looked at the remaining fixtures if
"dropping like a stone" Birmingham can beat Charlton today Hull will have an excellent chance of staying up.
charlton then play wigan home and Leeds away
if Charlton draw with wigan and lose to leeds they end up with 47 points
Hull beating Luton puts them on 48 points and a better goal difference than Luton who can then only make 48 points
and my "is it worth getting promotion " thread comes true
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275083.0
as usual lots of "if's" but Hull can quite easily stay up if Birmingham somehow win that match.
meanwhile the Middlesbrough team are all suffering nosebleads :chair:
My money would be on Luton to beat Hull.
Luton have had some good results of late and have momentum.
No more points for Hull this season.
Yes well done you were right !!!
It looks like I am right too about Luton having momentum and that there would be no more points for Hull this season.
If you are in Nostradamus mode Graham then you would have predicted Hull would go down? And that the snake would be sacked in the morning? :crying: :crying: :crying:
Ha, I think that no more points this season for Hull was saying that they were going down.
As for McCann, I think you might be right about that.
……………. if you had stayed on "my lead" you could have had a quarter of the P & O crown
Draw.
at long last i am going to let my "hound" off his leash .(and we go our seperate ways) :coat:.. seem to remember going for Rovers to win when Bristol Rovers were third ... easy win this. it's not over til the fat lady sorry man sings and Akinfenwa can't sing :scarf: :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
I had plans on a late run to take the prize.
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How the heck can the teams involved make plans.
It will be a serious problem unless there is a quick decision made.
No chance! Since when did the EFL make a quick decision?
Wigan have got grounds, from what I read. Sheffield Wednesday however.............!
So, all that effort in last season’s play-off semi final was for.......1 season’s worth of experience in the Championship. Could/would we have done any better? Probably not.
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I suspect we won't have to wait long for Wigans points deduction to be applied. The appeal on the other hand?!
The appeal is to be heard on the 31st July.
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I suspect we won't have to wait long for Wigans points deduction to be applied. The appeal on the other hand?!
The appeal is to be heard on the 31st July.
What year? It is the EFL after all.
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It sounds like the snake is not going to walk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08lkdwl
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It sounds like the snake is not going to walk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08lkdwl
Christ.
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It sounds like the snake is not going to walk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08lkdwl
He won’t. Will wait until he is pushed and then pick up compensation agreed in his contract i suspect.
How long was his contract for, anyone know?
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That interviewers a bit brutal. I almost feel sorry for Grant. He went from fans liking him here and celebrating his team to a year later being despised by fans and thinking he'd built a shit team.
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I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He knew what he was going into and went anyway. Idiotic.
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I don’t feel sorry for him at all. He knew what he was going into and went anyway. Idiotic.
Absolutely this.
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Jesus. He really has no idea what to do, does he? Can only imagine what that reporter thinks getting the exact same answers week in week out. Reminds me of Dickov's "I expect a reaction" patter.
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Dear me. Talk about full of cliches.
My favourate one was where he said tomorrow is when the hard work starts.
So you been working hard then Grant up to now? Perhaps thats why you gone down im thinking.
He also said there have been bigger clubs gone down to league 1 than Hull. Thats gonna go down a treat with your own fans.
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David Burns has taken him to the cleaners there. He has no answers for him.
He can't answer simple questions, he can't front up to the utter catastrophe he's overseen this last 6 months. He acts like being told simply that it isn't good enough is some personal vendetta.
I'd feel sorry for him if he hadn't brought all this on himself with his own hypocrisy and arrogance. He thought he could somehow make something of the shambles Hull City AFC has become, and not only has it been proven that he couldn't, but he's overseen a complete disaster beyond the depths even that mess of a club looked capable of.
He gets all he deserves.
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I think he knew the risks before he took on the job.
Back then when he was approached by Hull, I thought they were looking for a 'fall guy'. Someone who's thick skinned that could take all the flack when the proverbial hit the fan. It was inevitable they were going to lose Bowen and Grosicky, and with other 'baggage' surrounding the club, the drop was likely.
Who would be daft enough to take on that challenge with a small sporting chance of survival? Perhaps a good salary and an appeal to an ego would be enough??
He fell for it however, he wasn't that far from pulling it off.
Now we don't know if part of the deal was getting the chance to manage Hull in League One. If it is, and he's on the same salary, then he might think he has a chance to restore some pride and be well rewarded for it!
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That interviewers a bit brutal. I almost feel sorry for Grant. He went from fans liking him here and celebrating his team to a year later being despised by fans and thinking he'd built a shit team.
Can’t feel sorry for a man that didn’t give a f**k how he left us and the threadbare squad he’d left us with. He’s a Kitson simple as that!
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It is a quite incredible downward spiral since January.
On Jan 4th Hull were 9th, two points outside the play-off places and 16 points above the drop zone, with 39 points from 26 games.
Of the 60 points available since then, they managed a meagre 6 points.
That is some capitulation.
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It is a quite incredible downward spiral since January.
On Jan 4th Hull were 9th, two points outside the play-off places and 16 points above the drop zone, with 39 points from 26 games.
Of the 60 points available since then, they managed a meagre 6 points.
That is some capitulation.
I have n’t checked but that is probably worse than our capitulation under Ferguson
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It is a quite incredible downward spiral since January.
On Jan 4th Hull were 9th, two points outside the play-off places and 16 points above the drop zone, with 39 points from 26 games.
Of the 60 points available since then, they managed a meagre 6 points.
That is some capitulation.
I have n’t checked but that is probably worse than our capitulation under Ferguson
Ferguson got 12pts out of 63 available from our last 21 games in 15/16 season.
We were 11th on the 4th of Jan , 6pts off the play off's.
We finished 21st .
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It is a quite incredible downward spiral since January.
On Jan 4th Hull were 9th, two points outside the play-off places and 16 points above the drop zone, with 39 points from 26 games.
Of the 60 points available since then, they managed a meagre 6 points.
That is some capitulation.
I have n’t checked but that is probably worse than our capitulation under Ferguson
Ferguson got 12pts out of 63 available from our last 21 games in 15/16 season.
We were 11th on the 4th of Jan , 6pts off the play off's.
We finished 21st , only avoiding relegation on goal difference over Blackpool.
Eh? We were relegated!
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:blush:
It is a quite incredible downward spiral since January.
On Jan 4th Hull were 9th, two points outside the play-off places and 16 points above the drop zone, with 39 points from 26 games.
Of the 60 points available since then, they managed a meagre 6 points.
That is some capitulation.
I have n’t checked but that is probably worse than our capitulation under Ferguson
Ferguson got 12pts out of 63 available from our last 21 games in 15/16 season.
We were 11th on the 4th of Jan , 6pts off the play off's.
We finished 21st , only avoiding relegation on goal difference over Blackpool.
Eh? We were relegated!
Oops yes, i was forgetting that 4 went down. :blush: amended
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Absolutely shocking run of form. We deserved to finish bottom.
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I hunted out the full press conference, no one is quite as brutal as Burnsy but the whole thing is worth a listen. Started about 21 minutes in here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08jzpb2
Listen to the reaction of the hosts afterwards as well. People who are paid to talk for a living, and they're actually lost for words. My favourite line is that "bigger clubs than Hull have ended up in League One". Imagine being a Hull fan and hearing that? After you've just been humiliated by relegation?
It's clear that McCann is alright when things are going for him. When it goes against him though, he doesn't have a clue. I loved watching us play under him but he comes across as incompetent and unlikable here. And more than a little deluded.
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I hunted out the full press conference, no one is quite as brutal as Burnsy but the whole thing is worth a listen. Started about 21 minutes in here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08jzpb2
Listen to the reaction of the hosts afterwards as well. People who are paid to talk for a living, and they're actually lost for words. My favourite line is that "bigger clubs than Hull have ended up in League One". Imagine being a Hull fan and hearing that? After you've just been humiliated by relegation?
It's clear that McCann is alright when things are going for him. When it goes against him though, he doesn't have a clue. I loved watching us play under him but he comes across as incompetent and unlikable here. And more than a little deluded.
Trouble is that if he remains we will be up against him next year....... which will probably be when things bite us in the bum...
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I guess that’s ruled out Sadlier going there
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Absolutely shocking run of form. We deserved to finish bottom.
we deserved to finish bottom of the entire chuffing world.
That match against Shrewsbury must be THE most gutless, witless performance I have ever seen from a Rovers team. Shrewsbury were f**king dire and they won without breaking sweat, because our lot were going through the motions without a single mester in the side to demand they dig deep and find some self-respect. Williams having a free header 3 yards out and using his nose to hit the ball into the ground and over the bar was just the shitest icing on the shitest cake in existence.
Have a look. Sometimes the memory plays tricks and things that happened in the past weren't actually as good or bad as you recall. Not this one...
https://youtu.be/M0YYsTjm1IY?t=104
But we still weren't as bad as McCann's Hull in 2020...
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It's clear that McCann is alright when things are going for him. When it goes against him though, he doesn't have a clue. I loved watching us play under him but he comes across as incompetent and unlikable here. And more than a little deluded.
100%. I was thinking that in late winter 2019. We were distinctly average for the second half of the season and McCann's time with us needs to be looked at in that light. He had an excellent 4.5 months, then a very, very ordinary 4.5 months in which he made some very poor team and tactical selections. He survived that because he had an excellent squad.
First 26 matches of 18/19, we picked up 45 points which is about 5th place form. from New year onwards, we picked up 28 points from 20 games which is about 9th place form. In the last 15 games, we picked up 20 points, which is barely top half form.
And it LOOKED like a team that had run out of ideas. That's why the play-off 2nd leg was such a great performance, because we'd seen nowt like that for half a season by that time.
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I have a real dislike for Hull as a team, GM resided over one of my best ever nights as a Rovers fan away at Charlton and then totally dismantled everything - looking back even in the second leg it was the players rather than the management that got us so close.
Reap what you sow
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I guess that’s ruled out Sadlier going there
Sads could go to QPR when they inevitably sell Eze this close season, and put in a good word to get Dieng back.!
Unlikely I guess..
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I guess that’s ruled out Sadlier going there
He was never going to Hull
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
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It's clear that McCann is alright when things are going for him. When it goes against him though, he doesn't have a clue. I loved watching us play under him but he comes across as incompetent and unlikable here. And more than a little deluded.
100%. I was thinking that in late winter 2019. We were distinctly average for the second half of the season and McCann's time with us needs to be looked at in that light. He had an excellent 4.5 months, then a very, very ordinary 4.5 months in which he made some very poor team and tactical selections. He survived that because he had an excellent squad.
First 26 matches of 18/19, we picked up 45 points which is about 5th place form. from New year onwards, we picked up 28 points from 20 games which is about 9th place form. In the last 15 games, we picked up 20 points, which is barely top half form.
And it LOOKED like a team that had run out of ideas. That's why the play-off 2nd leg was such a great performance, because we'd seen nowt like that for half a season by that time.
Totally agree with all of that. I had the misfortune to travel down to Luton to witness one of the worse sh*tshows I've ever seen from any Rovers team. I'd already witnessed something similar in the first half of the season down at Charlton.
The one highlight for me, up to the play-offs, was the performance at Oakwell. Again, that was in the first half of the season when, apart from Charlton, we were generally better.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
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Now the dust has settled and everyone's had their chance to remind Terry that karma is a bitch, perhaps it's time to welcome Hull City and it's fans. We shared a great rivalry when we returned to the league. Yes they are a basket case, but they are once again restored to being our rivals. A decent local derby.
As for their hapless manager, perhaps it's time to let it go. We initially thought he had the potential to be a good manager for us but perhaps we were being over-generous.
We backed him and put our faith in him though time has since proved him to be no Brian Clough nor a diplomat and maybe with hindsight we ducked a bullet.
Time to let it rest now. Focus on our own team. It's going to be a tricky season for everyone next year. We should be grateful he isn't in charge of us. He probably did us a favour by leaving in hindsight.
Talk of him rebuilding the squad here ended in tatters. He's no experience of doing that. Which is why he remains a huge risk to Hull.
But let's give him praise for creating an opportunity for us to renew an old rivalry.
Welcome back Hull City.
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Why do people call him Terry?
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I’m guessing it might be a “Minder” reference.?
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
Last season was his first consistent season at League One level so I’d be surprised if a team like Fulham, Brentford or Forest we’re looking at him. Much more likely to pitch up at a Luton or a Birmingham. I could be wrong and if he does sign for a team at the top end of the bookies odds please feel free to come back and tell me I was wrong, it would surprise me though.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Paul Warne really, really wants him. A manager like Warney should be
a big pull for a player not necessarily motivated by coin.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
Last season was his first consistent season at League One level so I’d be surprised if a team like Fulham, Brentford or Forest we’re looking at him. Much more likely to pitch up at a Luton or a Birmingham. I could be wrong and if he does sign for a team at the top end of the bookies odds please feel free to come back and tell me I was wrong, it would surprise me though.
Fair point but then again he has had a very good education in football having been at West Ham for 10 Years and has scored goals wherever he has been, let's wait and see!
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NewDonny
May I say that not only will we miss Sads, but also you and your insights. They have certainly had me thinking from different angles which is always good.
When Paul Heffernan was here there was a similar welcome poster called NewtownJoe, and we miss them both as well. An irony was that,at the time we had a Dutch player called Jos van Nieuwstadt which translates as New town Joe.
Whatever happens to Sads I wish you both the best, and of course in the tiny chance you stay here that would be very welcome news. :thumbsup: :scarf:
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I always felt that there was more to come from Sads and hope/hoped that this would be with us before possibly moving to better things.
He has seen how stable a club we are and might be willing to stay on a bit less money and be in the shop window playing with us. Location might also be a factor.
All we can do is wait and see.
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NewDonny
May I say that not only will we miss Sads, but also you and your insights. They have certainly had me thinking from different angles which is always good.
When Paul Heffernan was here there was a similar welcome poster called NewtownJoe, and we miss them both as well. An irony was that,at the time we had a Dutch player called Jos van Nieuwstadt which translates as New town Joe.
Whatever happens to Sads I wish you both the best, and of course in the tiny chance you stay here that would be very welcome news. :thumbsup: :scarf:
Thank you DU and also very interesting re past players and posters, your words are very touching and appreciated.
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Yep we will all miss you ND/Sads good luck for the future
Please keep winding the Posh chairman up
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PDX, the pull for a player with ability is money, and playing at the highest level they can get a club at.
One thing normally follows the other, the higher profile the club the more money is chucked at the team as a rule, and in a short career a player has to think of getting as much out of the game as he can.
Sads has been a great signing for us, and did well while here, fulfilled his contract and caused no problems I know of off the field, which is all we can ask.
Unfortunately other clubs have taken notice and are more capable of fulfilling his financial requirements and it looks like he has moved on. Personally I hope the lad does well wherever he ends up, we will miss his play but will have to move on and hopefully get another good player to replace him.
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How annoying is it he's going on a free. Attacking midfielder who can play 2 or 3 positions and can ping them in from 30 yards is a million quid for starters
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He did the same thing when he joined us!
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He did the same thing when he joined us!
No one has paid a fee for him
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Bit of a pattern there.
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New Donny, you know my personal thoughts my friend.
Good luck to Keiran and yourself in the future.
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New Donny, you know my personal thoughts my friend.
Good luck to Keiran and yourself in the future.
I do indeed Hound and thank you.
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New Donny, you know my personal thoughts my friend.
Good luck to Keiran and yourself in the future.
I do indeed Hound and thank you.
Likewise. You’ll be missed on here. It’s been great to have a new insight and a perspective on matters in and around the club.
The comments about Sadlier moving between clubs feel a bit on the ignorant and dismissive side to me. You look at his record and one thing you could never accuse him of is taking the easy option. He’s moved down to go back up and taken chances in different leagues to develop further. We offered an 18 month contract when we signed him as that deal suited us. I do know for a fact that he would have liked to stay here when new contracts were being talked about. But, without dredging up the old topic on terms, if the offer wasn’t right to reflect his ongoing improvement (an improvement which is plain to see to any observer) then who can blame him for being open to other offers at the end of his contract. There’s been no throwing toys out of the pram. He was leading goalscorer and maker and deserves the recognition and reward. The championship is now a natural step and I expect he’ll have a choice of offers. It would be nice to see him break into the full Ireland squad and would reflect well on the platform that we can provide for developing players, too.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
Apologies. I wrongly assumed he’d moved locally.
I wish he’d stay - we all do - but probably unlikely. A great talent to watch.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
Apologies. I wrongly assumed he’d moved locally.
I wish he’d stay - we all do - but probably unlikely. A great talent to watch.
NP
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Been listening to "Suedehead" by Morrissey today.
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Been listening to "Suedehead" by Morrissey today.
Oh very cryptic BST!
Cant stand the guy myself.
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Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Why would you imagine that?
Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
Apologies. I wrongly assumed he’d moved locally.
I wish he’d stay - we all do - but probably unlikely. A great talent to watch.
I do always seem him coming out of a house on the new estate on Woodfield Way in a morning. I think Gomes lives near there too.
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He lives in Cambrigde. Had house in Doncaster but not lived there for a couple of months now.
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I for one am happy to see the back of any player that doesn't want to commit to the club no matter the output. Sadlier is definitely replaceable, even if its a loan signing from DM's 'little black book'. All the talent in the world counts for nothing if there's no desire to play for the club.
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I for one am happy to see the back of any player that doesn't want to commit to the club no matter the output. Sadlier is definitely replaceable, even if its a loan signing from DM's 'little black book'. All the talent in the world counts for nothing if there's no desire to play for the club.
Whilst I agree with your comment, I can’t criticise Sadliers commitment every time he wore a Rovers shirt
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Its the way football is nowadays. If you have confidence in your own ability you sign a contract for x number of years and at the end of it move on.
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I for one am happy to see the back of any player that doesn't want to commit to the club no matter the output. Sadlier is definitely replaceable, even if its a loan signing from DM's 'little black book'. All the talent in the world counts for nothing if there's no desire to play for the club.
Sadlier not signing the new contract he was offered had absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to play for DRFC.
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I hope Sadlier doesn't go to Rotherham 😕
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So you keep saying NewDonny. We have no reason to doubt Kieran's desire to do better than the contract he was offered. I would be disappointed if he didn't want to better himself as many of us think he is good enough to step up to the next level.
Good luck to him. We have to move on too!
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He did good in an attacking team, I personally think he isn’t ready for the pace or the physical nature of the game at championship level...
We shall have to wait and see who will take a punt I guess.....
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Allam has backed Grant to do well next season so looks like he’s staying as I expected it might have been part of the plan he mentioned.
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Allam has backed Grant to do well next season so looks like he’s staying as I expected it might have been part of the plan he mentioned.
Let's get ready to give him a reception then.
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
We know the EFL are useless mate, but surely they're not daft enough to put that fixture in the first few games.
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Hull are ‘hoping’ to make 8 new signings in the next week or so, according to their local rag.
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
We know the EFL are useless mate, but surely they're not daft enough to put that fixture in the first few games.
Maybe get one of the games or if the way before fans get involved?
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
We know the EFL are useless mate, but surely they're not daft enough to put that fixture in the first few games.
Maybe get one of the games or if the way before fans get involved?
For what reason?
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Hull are ‘hoping’ to make 8 new signings in the next week or so, according to their local rag.
Some of them won't be on much money if the salary cap goes ahead before then.
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Vote delayed yet again!
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Vote delayed yet again!
The votes this Friday, which was mentioned over a week ago I believe.
But the cut off for signings on higher pay counted as the squad average is also on Friday, so they need to sign pretty damn quick.
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Sorry Martin, I thought it had been set for the 6th, from the original of 29th July!
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Sorry Martin, I thought it had been set for the 6th, from the original of 29th July!
Yes they've been moving it around. Quite annoying really, and more than a little underhand.
I also understand there's quite some resentment and opposition in certain quarters too. It may yet get ugly, but if it does then clubs will be even worse off.
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Sorry Martin, I thought it had been set for the 6th, from the original of 29th July!
Alan, I read an article this afternoon from the Sunderland Echo which said that Sunderland were trying to push through signing two free agent players before the salary cap vote which had been pushed back 24 hours to Friday.
The Portsmouth News also reports that the vote has been pushed back from tomorrow to Friday.
Sorry to bring that up SM, only reporting what I have read.
I just had another look to confirm what I read and found an article from last week in the East Anglia Times which says it was scheduled for 6th and they are complaining that the salary cap disadvantages Ipswich who had a £5-6m wage bill last season and that clubs like them, Portsmouth and Sunderland who both spent around £10m on wages last season, would be disadvantaged and as a result would likely vote against the Cap.
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Sorry Martin, I thought it had been set for the 6th, from the original of 29th July!
Alan, I read an article this afternoon from the Sunderland Echo which said that Sunderland were trying to push through signing two free agent players before the salary cap vote which had been pushed back 24 hours to Friday.
The Portsmouth News also reports that the vote has been pushed back from tomorrow to Friday.
Sorry to bring that up SM, only reporting what I have read.
I just had another look to confirm what I read and found an article from last week in the East Anglia Times which says it was scheduled for 6th and they are complaining that the salary cap disadvantages Ipswich who had a £5-6m wage bill last season and that clubs like them, Portsmouth and Sunderland who both spent around £10m on wages last season, would be disadvantaged and as a result would likely vote against the Cap.
No need to apologise for bringing that up. I was aware of the date change because we had a meeting scheduled with the EFL for this Friday, but that has been moved now until the 20th August because of the date change for the vote. I'd only had that info from our office by email and I'd assumed that it had been communicated elsewhere. Apologies if it hadn't been.
The salary cap date change hasn't disadvantaged any of the big clubs the way they are talking about it. If they had a big budget last season and intend to keep those players then it doesn't affect them at all, in fact it's to their advantage.
However having a salary cap does affect them in the same way it affects everybody else. The problem is the big spending clubs wish to carry on spending in the same fashion and bugger everybody else. The salary cap is not perfect by any means, a combination of salary cap and SCMP would be a fairer system even to DRFC, but at the moment its not on the table.
What is on the table is a straight choice between salary cap or carry on as we have done.
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Is the outcome of the vote based on a simple majority in agreement or some other criteria
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Is the outcome of the vote based on a simple majority in agreement or some other criteria
It was originally 2/3rds but was brought down. I need to check but I believe its something like a 60/40 split currently.
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
We know the EFL are useless mate, but surely they're not daft enough to put that fixture in the first few games.
Maybe get one of the games or if the way before fans get involved?
For what reason?
Might be to stop any agro?
Might be cheaper to police?
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Hull are ‘hoping’ to make 8 new signings in the next week or so, according to their local rag.
Hope Kieran Sadlier is not one of them as he wanted Championship football.
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Sorry Martin, I thought it had been set for the 6th, from the original of 29th July!
Alan, I read an article this afternoon from the Sunderland Echo which said that Sunderland were trying to push through signing two free agent players before the salary cap vote which had been pushed back 24 hours to Friday.
The Portsmouth News also reports that the vote has been pushed back from tomorrow to Friday.
Sorry to bring that up SM, only reporting what I have read.
I just had another look to confirm what I read and found an article from last week in the East Anglia Times which says it was scheduled for 6th and they are complaining that the salary cap disadvantages Ipswich who had a £5-6m wage bill last season and that clubs like them, Portsmouth and Sunderland who both spent around £10m on wages last season, would be disadvantaged and as a result would likely vote against the Cap.
No need to apologise for bringing that up. I was aware of the date change because we had a meeting scheduled with the EFL for this Friday, but that has been moved now until the 20th August because of the date change for the vote. I'd only had that info from our office by email and I'd assumed that it had been communicated elsewhere. Apologies if it hadn't been.
The salary cap date change hasn't disadvantaged any of the big clubs the way they are talking about it. If they had a big budget last season and intend to keep those players then it doesn't affect them at all, in fact it's to their advantage.
However having a salary cap does affect them in the same way it affects everybody else. The problem is the big spending clubs wish to carry on spending in the same fashion and bugger everybody else. The salary cap is not perfect by any means, a combination of salary cap and SCMP would be a fairer system even to DRFC, but at the moment its not on the table.
What is on the table is a straight choice between salary cap or carry on as we have done.
It's like they want to carry on taking the bigger risks. It's approaches like this that contribute to the mess we're in by supporting over inflated wages etc for average players, throwing away good money on the likes of Will Grigg for example.
When will they learn that there's an alternative to splashing the cash. Maybe its too hard for them to do the hard work, and the easy thing is to throw somebody else's money at it and hope.
Now is the time for financial prudence and if things improve further down the line, then there maybe scope for reviewing the caps etc.
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
We know the EFL are useless mate, but surely they're not daft enough to put that fixture in the first few games.
Maybe get one of the games or if the way before fans get involved?
For what reason?
Might be to stop any agro?
Might be cheaper to police?
Yes, valid points there mate, but as things are looking with reduced capacities, it's doubtful that there'll be any away fans to police.
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Sorry Martin, I thought it had been set for the 6th, from the original of 29th July!
Alan, I read an article this afternoon from the Sunderland Echo which said that Sunderland were trying to push through signing two free agent players before the salary cap vote which had been pushed back 24 hours to Friday.
The Portsmouth News also reports that the vote has been pushed back from tomorrow to Friday.
Sorry to bring that up SM, only reporting what I have read.
I just had another look to confirm what I read and found an article from last week in the East Anglia Times which says it was scheduled for 6th and they are complaining that the salary cap disadvantages Ipswich who had a £5-6m wage bill last season and that clubs like them, Portsmouth and Sunderland who both spent around £10m on wages last season, would be disadvantaged and as a result would likely vote against the Cap.
No need to apologise for bringing that up. I was aware of the date change because we had a meeting scheduled with the EFL for this Friday, but that has been moved now until the 20th August because of the date change for the vote. I'd only had that info from our office by email and I'd assumed that it had been communicated elsewhere. Apologies if it hadn't been.
The salary cap date change hasn't disadvantaged any of the big clubs the way they are talking about it. If they had a big budget last season and intend to keep those players then it doesn't affect them at all, in fact it's to their advantage.
However having a salary cap does affect them in the same way it affects everybody else. The problem is the big spending clubs wish to carry on spending in the same fashion and bugger everybody else. The salary cap is not perfect by any means, a combination of salary cap and SCMP would be a fairer system even to DRFC, but at the moment its not on the table.
What is on the table is a straight choice between salary cap or carry on as we have done.
It's like they want to carry on taking the bigger risks. It's approaches like this that contribute to the mess we're in by supporting over inflated wages etc for average players, throwing away good money on the likes of Will Grigg for example.
When will they learn that there's an alternative to splashing the cash. Maybe its too hard for them to do the hard work, and the easy thing is to throw somebody else's money at it and hope.
Now is the time for financial prudence and if things improve further down the line, then there maybe scope for reviewing the caps etc.
“The easy thing is to throw somebody else’s money at it and hope”
If the owners are daft enough to allow that policy then they are throwing their own money at it aren’t they?
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DBR:
When will they learn that there's an alternative to splashing the cash. Maybe its too hard for them to do the hard work, and the easy thing is to throw somebody else's money at it and hope.
A very good question baz!
However, very much a view and approach that so many rovers fans adhered to and wanted to see over the years eh?
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What should a salary cap be based on . A %!of Turn over or a fixed amount where every club has to pay the same .
The EFL got it wrong last season with Bolton and Bury . If clubs aren’t scrutinised correctly with some sort of safety bond which should be set up that prevents a clubs owners from abandoning its responsibilities like Wigan . Based on the greater the risk the bigger the bond .
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Yeah, from an empty stadium eh Steve.
We know the EFL are useless mate, but surely they're not daft enough to put that fixture in the first few games.
Maybe get one of the games or if the way before fans get involved?
For what reason?
Might be to stop any agro?
Might be cheaper to police?
Yes, valid points there mate, but as things are looking with reduced capacities, it's doubtful that there'll be any away fans to police.
Fair point not really thought about that angle.