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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: PDX_Rover on June 26, 2020, 06:32:52 pm
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Taking the piss, surely?
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They are looking at that Klopp bloke as well, to step up from Anfield.
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Click bait!
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...and here’s the proof:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-bolton-wanderers-line-up-ex-west-brom-boss-as-alternative-to-evatt/
Not to be taken seriously, methinks!
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They need to realise they are not Premier League anymore, they are League Two, deluded owners there 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Hahahahahahaha
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I think people are a bit too quick to judge here.
It's an attractive job for anyone wanting to go part time. You're never going to do a full fixture list, you can just pick and choose which games to turn up to. Excellent for the work/life balance.
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Funny thing is we all said the same thing 12 months ago and look what happend a few days later
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Funny thing is we all said the same thing 12 months ago and look what happend a few days later
In fairness that was completely different.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They need to realise they are not Premier League anymore, they are League Two, deluded owners there 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Be fair - if you were a Bolton fan, wouldn't you want owners who were ambitious..?
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He’s a pundit on sky for the WBA-Brentford game tonight
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I think people are a bit too quick to judge here.
It's an attractive job for anyone wanting to go part time. You're never going to do a full fixture list, you can just pick and choose which games to turn up to. Excellent for the work/life balance.
Genius.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/no-contact-doncaster-rovers-after-darren-moores-bolton-wanderers-link-2897080
Moore said f*ck off.
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In these times of money shortages I think a price tag to buy out his contract of lets say £5 million would be about right for a transfer to such a well off well run club club.
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Our model is I think still a rolling 12 month contract. If Moore has taken some form of wage cut then this obviously is then reflected in the reduced compensation (12 months of salary) that another club would have to pay.
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
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Absolute bullsh1t!
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Aye, there's nothing so appealing to someone at a club that sticks by managers as jumping into a revolving door club at a lower level.
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
I'm afraid you're very much mistaken. DM values some things much more than just 'building something bigger'.
No, he joined this club, and continues to work hard for DRFC because he values the philosophy that is at the heart of everything this club does under the Club Doncaster model. He spoke about it at length when he joined the club, and stated it was the major factor for him joining. He's spoken about it again in recent weeks.
If you think winning at football is all that counts you'd be barking up the wrong tree, it's more about your social conscience and winning at life that DM values.
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
With all due respect i think you need to have a look in your Bolton Wanderers mirror.
You are not the Club you used to be and only got where you did anyway by overspending. If you think that makes you a big club then that’s your purgative. But you can keep it.
For me DRFC are a much “bigger” club because we have been run as a football club should be run for the last 22 years.
Should be prerogative not purgative.
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Frankie,
just two points:
1. Our managers don't get the sack after a poor run of results eg Ferguson didn't win a game in a run of 17 games and got us relegated. He still never got the sack, he walked out on us.
2. Darren is on a 1 year rolling contract so he will have 12 month left at any point he leaves.
Daren just like Sean O'Driscoll is a man of moral high standards but we have to accept that the show moves on that's the way football works.
Personally I don't think Darren will be moving any time soon.
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
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Darren Moore will not be leaving to go to the likes of Bolton Wanderers.
Not a chance imo.
He has much higher standards than that both as a person and as a Football manager.
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
With all due respect i think you need to have a look in your Bolton Wanderers mirror.
You are not the Club you used to be and only got where you did by overspending. If you think that makes you a big club then that’s your purgative. But you can keep it.
For me DRFC are a much “bigger” club because we have been run as a football club should be run for the last 22 years.
Oh Campsall, don’t you just love predictive text? :) Purgative, apparently, means strongly laxative! I’ll say no more!
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I reckon Darren would only accept Championship if it wasn't for us. He definitely wouldn't go to a joke League Two club.
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
With all due respect i think you need to have a look in your Bolton Wanderers mirror.
You are not the Club you used to be and only got where you did by overspending. If you think that makes you a big club then that’s your purgative. But you can keep it.
For me DRFC are a much “bigger” club because we have been run as a football club should be run for the last 22 years.
Oh Campsall, don’t you just love predictive text? :) Purgative, apparently, means strongly laxative! I’ll say no more!
Brilliant. Sending some to Keith Hill !
Should be Prerogative of course but as far as BW are concerned the laxative version seems more appropriate.
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
With all due respect i think you need to have a look in your Bolton Wanderers mirror.
You are not the Club you used to be and only got where you did by overspending. If you think that makes you a big club then that’s your purgative. But you can keep it.
For me DRFC are a much “bigger” club because we have been run as a football club should be run for the last 22 years.
Oh Campsall, don’t you just love predictive text? :) Purgative, apparently, means strongly laxative! I’ll say no more!
Brilliant. Sending some to Keith Hill !
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I have serious worries that Darren might end up with some high ranking job within the FA But Bolton never
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I have serious worries that Darren might end up with some high ranking job within the FA But Bolton never
If he does then the likes of Bolton W might get their just rewards.
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
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I see some Bolton fans still have delusions of grandeur. It’s all a bit sad really
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
Those contracts are not subject to renewal though? It is effectively an open ended contract with a provision that means the exposure is only 12 months of contract at the point of redundancy or 12 months of compensation if bought out (ie leaving for another club).
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Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
You’ve been corrected on a few points already, but here’s another one, we did n’t jump In for Darren, he applied for the job and went through a structured recruitment process alongside other applicants, he needed to apply, we are not a club that goes out head hunting, we want people to be here because they want to be here, if Darren had n’t applied he would not have got the job. If you think he’ll just walk out on us for the likes of Bolton you’re as deluded as the rest of your fanbase
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Not sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree.
I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.
Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course? 😀
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
Those contracts are not subject to renewal though? It is effectively an open ended contract with a provision that means the exposure is only 12 months of contract at the point of redundancy or 12 months of compensation if bought out (ie leaving for another club).
There will have been a clause in the contract at around 9 months that would have allowed either party to give notice that they intend to terminate at the 12 month point. If thats has not been invoked by either party then it will roll over in that second year and as you say compensation would be owed for that 12 mont if the contract was then to be terminated for any reason.
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
Those contracts are not subject to renewal though? It is effectively an open ended contract with a provision that means the exposure is only 12 months of contract at the point of redundancy or 12 months of compensation if bought out (ie leaving for another club).
There will have been a clause in the contract at around 9 months that would have allowed either party to give notice that they intend to terminate at the 12 month point. If thats has not been invoked by either party then it will roll over in that second year and as you say compensation would be owed for that 12 mont if the contract was then to be terminated for any reason.
You’re guessing again to try to support your point
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Frankie, it is a good word that mirrors the more chance of seeing rocking horse S**T that you have got of getting Darren Moore
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I think you will find his contract ALWAYS has 12 months to run whether its January August November this week, next week or the week after
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Dagenham, we had exactly the same arguments over Parkys contract which was also 12 months rolling but it runs out every year and rolls only if both sides agree, no 9 months agreement, no compensation, just rolled on or not. Sorry but that’s how they work.
Shelby, we don’t want Darren Moore, we want Ian Evatt and to be honest there are others like Ryan Lowe and our own David Lee that we’d put before DM but it’s down to FV and if Evatt won’t come then they may approach Donny or not. Rocking horse doodah is often actually found!!
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
That agreement is built into the contract when it is originally signed. So the contract has 12 months to run as from today. As it will tomorrow, and the day after that etc. The length of the contract never reduces.
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Let’s hope we don’t find out eh? Maybe we can both agree on that at least?
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Not sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree.
I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.
Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course? 😀
You can have pockets as deep as you like, but how are they going to get round the salary cap?
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Let’s hope we don’t find out eh? Maybe we can both agree on that at least?
Yeah. DM also said he doesn't want to join you so it's a non issue anyway.
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Dagenham, we had exactly the same arguments over Parkys contract which was also 12 months rolling but it runs out every year and rolls only if both sides agree, no 9 months agreement, no compensation, just rolled on or not. Sorry but that’s how they work.
Shelby, we don’t want Darren Moore, we want Ian Evatt and to be honest there are others like Ryan Lowe and our own David Lee that we’d put before DM but it’s down to FV and if Evatt won’t come then they may approach Donny or not. Rocking horse doodah is often actually found!!
What you are describing sounds like a renewable one year contract.
A one year rolling contract isn’t a contract that rolls for one year then can be renewed, more a contract which always has one year remaining. So one agreed today runs out on 26 June 2021, but unless notice is served, that same contract next Saturday would run out on 3 July 2021.
Of course, there may be a time when both parties sit down to renegotiate a contract to amend the terms, but if left untouched it is continuous.
That’s my understanding of it anyway. Maybe Silent Majority can comment in respect of DRFC - you may not know this Frankie, but he does have the ear of the club, officially.
I may be totally wrong and stand to be corrected.
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Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.
And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.
I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
That agreement is built into the contract when it is originally signed. So the contract has 12 months to run as from today. As it will tomorrow, and the day after that etc. The length of the contract never reduces.
Not sure that's a 12 month rolling contract, its certainly not in the one I use in business anyway. Ordinarily they are for 12 months and roll into a further 12 month term if both parties agree to let it roll forward another year with notice at a particular point.
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That’s a renewable contract, a bit like your car insurance where the insurer writes to you with a month to go with next year’s quote giving you enough time to decline and go elsewhere, or do nothing and renew automatically.
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I always assumed that a rolling 12 month contract had an automatic 12 months notice built into it, but that appears to be not the case. Even a rolling 12 month contract has a start/end date, and the 12 months rolls on from that. Before that date both parties agree that it will roll on from that date.
I'll ask Gav for some clarification, but this article, which is intended to be aimed at sports personnel describes it as that;
https://www.mikethornton.xyz/rolling-employment-contracts/
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In that case I stand corrected.
Thanks SM, and apologies to Frankie and NewDonny.
(you still can’t have our Darren though.!!)
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I always assumed that a rolling 12 month contract had an automatic 12 months notice built into it, but that appears to be not the case. Even a rolling 12 month contract has a start/end date, and the 12 months rolls on from that. Before that date both parties agree that it will roll on from that date.
I'll ask Gav for some clarification, but this article, which is intended to be aimed at sports personnel describes it as that;
https://www.mikethornton.xyz/rolling-employment-contracts/
Correct.
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In that case I stand corrected.
Thanks SM, and apologies to Frankie and NewDonny.
(you still can’t have our Darren though.!!)
NP, we can agree sometimes :)
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Hilarious this Bolton fan talking about getting back in the premier league like it's gonna happen soon. You will not see Bolton there while you're alive again I assure you that. You're not big like Leeds, Sunderland, Portsmouth. Just to name 3 who've dipped to league 1 or below. More a Coventry City do I guess there's some hope of Championship one day.
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On the contrary, of course Bolton could get back to the premier league - I can’t see them rocketing through the divisions but why the hell not in time.? Sure, they are not our favourites due to the shenanigans of this season, but that’s no longer relevant.
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I always assumed that a rolling 12 month contract had an automatic 12 months notice built into it, but that appears to be not the case. Even a rolling 12 month contract has a start/end date, and the 12 months rolls on from that. Before that date both parties agree that it will roll on from that date.
I'll ask Gav for some clarification, but this article, which is intended to be aimed at sports personnel describes it as that;
https://www.mikethornton.xyz/rolling-employment-contracts/
and theres nothing to say that the wording could be along the lines of "this is a 12 month rolling contract inthat the contract always has 12 months to run"
just the addition of a few words this would cover the club for compensation if he is poached or if the club terminate him they would possibly have to pay a years salary
Anyway who knows probably only GB and DM
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Lads, FR is having a laugh.
Don’t take him seriously.
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Lads, FR is having a laugh.
Don’t take him seriously.
Ha ha you’ve seen through me hound. Genuinely I hope DM stays here and is successful with you as I really like him as a bloke and wish Donny only well. As for Wanderers, it’s been a painful downhill slide since Big Sam left with continuing bad decisions and actions by owners but hopefully we have now hit bottom and can start to look up again. As for Wanderers future, it took us 7 years to get back to the PL last time we were in Div 4 so no reason we shouldn’t repeat that again Padgett with the right set up. Quoting us not as big as Leeds, Sunderland or Portsmouth is a bit childish really because Wanderers have spent more time of their history in the top division than all of them and I don’t mean pre war and have won more than all but Leeds but let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good insult attempt eh? 😊
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I always assumed that a rolling 12 month contract had an automatic 12 months notice built into it, but that appears to be not the case. Even a rolling 12 month contract has a start/end date, and the 12 months rolls on from that. Before that date both parties agree that it will roll on from that date.
I'll ask Gav for some clarification, but this article, which is intended to be aimed at sports personnel describes it as that;
https://www.mikethornton.xyz/rolling-employment-contracts/
OK, just had a quick chat with Gavin, and he has assured me that DM is on a rolling 12 month contract which means that he always has 12 months left. So, my initial assumption was in fact correct and there is no start/end date built into the contract.
Gavin did point out that we have always done it that way, and when we've discussed previous managers and their contracts we've covered this particular topic. (I didn't think I'd invented that part!) It has benefits of course, security for the current manager and the club, but if a manager gets poached away we can then claim compensation from his new club.
Thanks Gav for the clarification!
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Thanks SM - so my assumption was correct too.!
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What I don’t like about a 12 month rolling contract is that it doesn’t suggest a great deal of confidence in the manager. If we had a player we thought had a big future in the game we’d try and tie him down to a 3 year contract (like Whiteman) so why do we not do the same with managers? I appreciate that it gives us flexibility and limits potential compensation if we were to sack the manager but given the confidence the fans and board seem to have in Moore would it not make sense to try to tie him down to a longer term contract?
I don’t understand the benefits being that it gives security to Moore and our ability to claim compensation - surely most managers are on longer term deals so there’d be less compensation for us if he was poached and less security for Moore than most jobs? I can’t see many managers having month to month deals and surely the norm is for a couple of years or longer? (Short term deals like Warnock’s with Boro notwithstanding)
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What I don’t like about a 12 month rolling contract is that it doesn’t suggest a great deal of confidence in the manager. If we had a player we thought had a big future in the game we’d try and tie him down to a 3 year contract (like Whiteman) so why do we not do the same with managers? I appreciate that it gives us flexibility and limits potential compensation if we were to sack the manager but given the confidence the fans and board seem to have in Moore would it not make sense to try to tie him down to a longer term contract?
I don’t understand the benefits being that it gives security to Moore and our ability to claim compensation - surely most managers are on longer term deals so there’d be less compensation for us if he was poached and less security for Moore than most jobs? I can’t see many managers having month to month deals and surely the norm is for a couple of years or longer? (Short term deals like Warnock’s with Boro notwithstanding)
It takes both sides to agree a contract, maybe that was the deal that was agreeable to both sides.
Other deals may have suited one side or the other but not both...
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Of course it does, but as SM says above “We have always done it that way” - it’s a club policy.
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What I don’t like about a 12 month rolling contract is that it doesn’t suggest a great deal of confidence in the manager. If we had a player we thought had a big future in the game we’d try and tie him down to a 3 year contract (like Whiteman) so why do we not do the same with managers? I appreciate that it gives us flexibility and limits potential compensation if we were to sack the manager but given the confidence the fans and board seem to have in Moore would it not make sense to try to tie him down to a longer term contract?
I don’t understand the benefits being that it gives security to Moore and our ability to claim compensation - surely most managers are on longer term deals so there’d be less compensation for us if he was poached and less security for Moore than most jobs? I can’t see many managers having month to month deals and surely the norm is for a couple of years or longer? (Short term deals like Warnock’s with Boro notwithstanding)
I think you're wrong. For me it shows the opposite, that we will always have to give a manager 12 months notice. Even with a 2 year deal after 12 months the deal becomes worse than the one we've agreed.
And then there's a lack of trust, much the same with players running down their contracts and seeking alternatives while they're in the last 12 months. What would happen if that was your manager? How could you plan for the long term if you never knew whether they'd be gong in 5 or 6 months time?
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Nick - I see the merits in it even if I do think we should tie Darren down to a long deal. It is probably to guard financially against the scenario where we need to sack a manager yet would need to pay out a big sum to do so. With a rolling contract, presumably it wouldn't be a massive outlay if we did need to do that, again not that I do with Darren.
This contract method didn't stop us keeping hold of Darren Ferguson for three years, after all.
Also, it isn't a "month to month" contract. It's a constant one-year deal in essence.
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Thanks SM - so my assumption was correct too.!
Yep, we were both right. Embarrassingly for me that Gav had to remind me!
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Thoughts are with NewDonny in his hour of need x
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Nick - I see the merits in it even if I do think we should tie Darren down to a long deal. It is probably to guard financially against the scenario where we need to sack a manager yet would need to pay out a big sum to do so. With a rolling contract, presumably it wouldn't be a massive outlay if we did need to do that, again not that I do with Darren.
This contract method didn't stop us keeping hold of Darren Ferguson for three years, after all.
Also, it isn't a "month to month" contract. It's a constant one-year deal in essence.
I should clarify - the month to month deal that i mentioned was in reference that any manager on that sort of deal would have less time to run than Moore, and that isn’t the norm. I wasn’t implying that is what Moore is on - I’m aware that he always has a year to run. In terms of us keeping hold of Ferguson for 3 years, that’s probably because no one else wanted him!
I just can’t see how giving a manager a rolling 12 month contract is showing more trust than a long term deal and SM won’t be able to convince me otherwise. Of course after the first year of a two year deal you’re in a worse position than we are now with Moore, but for the first half you’re in a better position. And what about 3 year or 4 year deals? The benefit to me is clear that it’s protection against facing a massive pay off if things soured whilst there was still a lengthy period left on the contract.
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I think the way to look at it is this - it is an open ended contract. We have effectively given them a lifetime contract. The 12 month element is basically a sub clause, which means if we sack them or they ditch us, the compensation is capped at 12 months in either scenario.
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Nick - I see the merits in it even if I do think we should tie Darren down to a long deal. It is probably to guard financially against the scenario where we need to sack a manager yet would need to pay out a big sum to do so. With a rolling contract, presumably it wouldn't be a massive outlay if we did need to do that, again not that I do with Darren.
This contract method didn't stop us keeping hold of Darren Ferguson for three years, after all.
Also, it isn't a "month to month" contract. It's a constant one-year deal in essence.
I should clarify - the month to month deal that i mentioned was in reference that any manager on that sort of deal would have less time to run than Moore, and that isn’t the norm. I wasn’t implying that is what Moore is on - I’m aware that he always has a year to run. In terms of us keeping hold of Ferguson for 3 years, that’s probably because no one else wanted him!
I just can’t see how giving a manager a rolling 12 month contract is showing more trust than a long term deal and SM won’t be able to convince me otherwise. Of course after the first year of a two year deal you’re in a worse position than we are now with Moore, but for the first half you’re in a better position. And what about 3 year or 4 year deals? The benefit to me is clear that it’s protection against facing a massive pay off if things soured whilst there was still a lengthy period left on the contract.
That's fair Nick, some others have been confused by the nature of the contract before though so felt it worth clarifying. And as I said in that post, I do think we'd be better giving Moore a longer term deal because I feel he's good enough to merit it.
You may be right about Ferguson as well!
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Not sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree.
I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.
Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course?
Well you underestimate the potential of Doncaster Rovers.
Doncaster MBC has a population of 309.000. So the potential is there believe me.
Doncaster is not a small town like Burton, Fleetwood, Crewe etc.etc.
If we had a billionaire owner who was happy to spend 100.000.000 and didn’t want it back we could be a premier league club.
You only have to look at Bournemouth & see what they have achieved with a stadium of under 11.000 capacity.
Football is pretty much about money now and the more of it you have that is disposable the more likely you are to be successful.
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Thanks SM - so my assumption was correct too.!
Yep, we were both right. Embarrassingly for me that Gav had to remind me!
and me ;) :lol:
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Thoughts are with NewDonny in his hour of need x
Hour of need, what are you on about?
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Not sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree.
I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.
Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course?
Well you underestimate the potential of Doncaster Rovers.
Doncaster MBC has a population of 309.000. So the potential is there believe me.
Doncaster is not a small town like Burton, Fleetwood, Crewe etc.etc.
If we had a billionaire owner who was happy to spend 100.000.000 and didn’t want it back we could be a premier league club.
You only have to look at Bournemouth & see what they have achieved with a stadium of under 11.000 capacity.
Football is pretty much about money now and the more of it you have that is disposable the more likely you are to be successful.
I’m only quoting the current situation Campsall but you’re correct, with the right deep pocket owner any club can get to the PL just like Bournemouth. The game these days is all about money sadly and the gap between rich and poor is likely to get Even bigger. If the EFL do decide to go down the route of salary caps in L1 and 2 it may result in the previously muted Championship becoming PL2 and that may mean no promotion into it. Hopefully that won’t happen but just now anything can happen.
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If that did happen Frankie, how interested in your football club and not the land and stadium do you think your owners and those of Sunderland, Portsmouth, and Peterborough etc would they be do you think.
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Lads, FR is having a laugh.
Don’t take him seriously.
Ha ha you’ve seen through me hound. Genuinely I hope DM stays here and is successful with you as I really like him as a bloke and wish Donny only well. As for Wanderers, it’s been a painful downhill slide since Big Sam left with continuing bad decisions and actions by owners but hopefully we have now hit bottom and can start to look up again. As for Wanderers future, it took us 7 years to get back to the PL last time we were in Div 4 so no reason we shouldn’t repeat that again Padgett with the right set up. Quoting us not as big as Leeds, Sunderland or Portsmouth is a bit childish really because Wanderers have spent more time of their history in the top division than all of them and I don’t mean pre war and have won more than all but Leeds but let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good insult attempt eh? 😊
I hope you have bottomed out Frank; Bolton is a biggish club with a great heritage. But I fear that the alchemy you need to re-establish yourselves in the Championship, never mind the Premiership, could be elusive for a while yet.
Potential signings will see the Reebok and be wowed. A bit like Ali Crawford. Remember him? But will they be the ones to dig you out or will they just keep taking the cheque? (Are we back to Ali Crawford?)
Every club you play next season - whenever that is - will lift their game against you and some of your players won't be able to handle it. It'll take you 20 or so games to find them out. Talent will get picked off or jump ship. And then your manager will have to shuffle the pack again and so it goes on.
Best of luck!
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Well I’m not quite as pessimistic as that BigH but I don’t think any of us are taking things for granted. That said I’d be both surprised and disappointed if we weren’t back in the Championship in 3 or 4 years at worst. Next season due to still being under embargo we can’t pay transfer or loan fees but we have 14 current senior squad players out of contract so we should be able to pick up some good players for the wages we can afford.
I’m hoping one we keep will be Ali Crawford because he was influential before his injury but he may not want to play L2 football. Why ever did you let him leave? Anyway I agree about clubs coming and wanting to beat us but I’m hoping that if Ian Evatt does become our new manager he will instill a good working attitude so we won’t be overawed.
In fairness having to play youth last year has been a benefit because we now have around 5 or 6 that have excelled and will be regular starters. We will see but let’s hope we both have good seasons next year whenever that is and I think you have a great chance of promotion with Darren Moore who I rate highly.
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I could not understand rovers in letting Crawford go a bit light weight yes but his overall performances for us was very good with some classic dead ball free kicks
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Well I’m not quite as pessimistic as that BigH but I don’t think any of us are taking things for granted. That said I’d be both surprised and disappointed if we weren’t back in the Championship in 3 or 4 years at worst. Next season due to still being under embargo we can’t pay transfer or loan fees but we have 14 current senior squad players out of contract so we should be able to pick up some good players for the wages we can afford.
I’m hoping one we keep will be Ali Crawford because he was influential before his injury but he may not want to play L2 football. Why ever did you let him leave? Anyway I agree about clubs coming and wanting to beat us but I’m hoping that if Ian Evatt does become our new manager he will instill a good working attitude so we won’t be overawed.
In fairness having to play youth last year has been a benefit because we now have around 5 or 6 that have excelled and will be regular starters. We will see but let’s hope we both have good seasons next year whenever that is and I think you have a great chance of promotion with Darren Moore who I rate highly.
Just think how good those youngsters would be now if they had played in all the games they could have
Just saying
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Ha ha, quite true raven. Anyway, looks like you’re keeping DM now as Wanderers have agreed compensation with Barrow for Ian Evatt who is expected to sign up soon. I wish us both good luck next season and I’ll be watching Donnys results and hope you can get into the promotion reckoning you were denied this year through CV. Take care one and all.
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They are looking at that Klopp bloke as well, to step up from Anfield.
yeh that's right .......Bolton "were interested in him" they wanted him to open a "church garden fete" for charity at Bolton upon Dearne ...... that's the nearest he'll be going to Bolton could say it would be a "dearne deal" :suicide:
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Frankie, it is a good word that mirrors the more chance of seeing rocking horse S**T that you have got of getting Darren Moore
And Pigs can fly! even with Trotters.
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You guys should be on the Charlie Williams thread with quips like that. 😉