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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: ravenrover on July 20, 2020, 08:21:27 pm
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Just saw a headline neither will be relegated this year by points deduction
"Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season."
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If true, then Hull are down....
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Boo-hoo
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Just saw a headline neither will be relegated this year by points deduction
"Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season."
Where did you see this.?
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I’ve saw it Mail online
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My take on it is that decision is likely if it becomes certain the points deduction won't relegate them this season.
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False statement, relegation will be sorted after wednesdays games.
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I’ve saw it Mail online
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8540267/Championship-clubs-unsure-relegated-no-decision-Wigans-appeal-imminent.html
On Radio 5 Live this evening it was announced that, at the end of the season this Wednesday, Wigan will be given a 12 point penalty, which will be subject to appeal.
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Yes, they will be deducted points (subject to appeal) but EFL will decide when to apply it, this season or next.
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i have always felt sorry for Wednesday over the years the ground has had an "albatross around it" since the "disaster" they simply could not move to a new ground , if they had wanted to .
I remember their owner (owns John West etc) saying many years ago he would put more money in but for fair play rules . Yes they have wasted fortunes since his arrival.
Years ago the banks sold their buildings and leased them back, the hospitals with pfi have done the same
it seems he "bought the ground and leased it back" which is done all the time in business. (as above)
I would suggest in his defence he pointed out because in a way, the ground should be declared something down the lines of "of special importance" due to the" Liverpool supporters memories etc " just like buildings are listed.
to repeat you cannot bulldoze the area -- hence the "monetary" value of the ground is limited because it would never get planning permission / permission for change of use or whatever they do when a club seeks to move .
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Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.
Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.
But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.
And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.
The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.
Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.
They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...
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Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.
Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.
But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.
And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.
The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.
Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.
They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...
That is a very, very good point.
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I don’t agree that the stadium land cannot be re used. I would definitely advocate a good sized permanent memorial park at the leppings lane end.
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Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.
Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.
But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.
And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.
The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.
Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.
They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...
Some good points BST. Even more so when you consider the fuss we've had with SWFC this last season. When I say we I speak as the Chair of the SYP Independent Advisory Group who had a part to play this last season when a safety certificate was being withdrawn on the eve of the season starting. Despite our best efforts to create a safer environment for supporters at the Leppings Lane end the club argued, wriggled and fought until they persuaded a court that the prohibition notice was invalid. I have no respect for that position at all.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/sheffield-wednesday-lodges-appeal-over-prohibition-notice-491036
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EFL statement is here;
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-ongoing-disciplinary-proceedings/
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Thanks SM. So basically, unless Wigan finish above the relegation places including the points deduction, the final decision if they appeal really needs to be made quickly so that the affected clubs know which division they will be in for next season.
Would this be resolved quickly after Wednesday.?
In some respects if Wigan won their fixture that would be better anyway?
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EFL and quickly do not go together. At all.
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This from the BBC site:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53484188
What is worrying is that if Wigan finish in the bottom 3 after a points’ deduction, then win their appeal, the team finishing 4th bottom will be relegated. Hadn’t thought about that!
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Another reason it cant drag on , imagine being fourth bottom , setting financial stall out for a year in Championship and then you get the call saying whoops its TLOD for you next year instead
They wont get any fairer crack at it than Wigan staying up if thats the case so needs sorting sharpish
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For us neutrals it would probably be better if Wigan beat Fulham tomorrow, to end all the confusion.
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Unless Wednesday get hammered with a big points deduction.?
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If Hull, Barnsley and Wednesday came down it would save the Rovers a fortune on travel expenses.
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If Hull, Barnsley and Wednesday came down it would save the Rovers a fortune on travel expenses.
EFL common sense committee would have us play them September behind closed doors and then first game fans back Plymouth away
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Unless Wednesday get hammered with a big points deduction.?
They probably won’t.....big club syndrome and all that jazz.
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Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.
Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.
But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.
And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.
The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.
Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.
They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...
Some good points BST. Even more so when you consider the fuss we've had with SWFC this last season. When I say we I speak as the Chair of the SYP Independent Advisory Group who had a part to play this last season when a safety certificate was being withdrawn on the eve of the season starting. Despite our best efforts to create a safer environment for supporters at the Leppings Lane end the club argued, wriggled and fought until they persuaded a court that the prohibition notice was invalid. I have no respect for that position at all.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/sheffield-wednesday-lodges-appeal-over-prohibition-notice-491036
SM
I have some long distant professional history on the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough. I share your pain...
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the EFL delegates to an Independent Commission but delegation does not abrogate their own responsibility .If the Independent Commissions are taking too much time the EFL should stop using that method and take issues back into their own fold .
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It's an affront to common decency that the Leppings Lane end is still standing. Each time you visit, particularly when you see the tunnel, you can't help but be reminded of those tragic events and the souls that died.
Sometimes relics are kept for historical value and a reminder to future generations that things can't be allowed to happen again. Hillsborough Leppings Lane falls into that category but it's likely not intentional.
Removing barriers and installing seats is not enough. As said, the whole layout of the stand is so out of date with modern basic standards of comfort.
It seems the complacency over the years that led to the disaster, with a number of warnings prior, has continued. They've had ample opportunity with grants available etc, to do something positive and I'm sure the whole football community would want to see a rebuild to include a fitting memorial.
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Wednesday will be deducted enough points to avoid relegation. Economic reasons for teams in the Championship, if it was a team the size of Rovers , Wycombe , Oxford they would get docked more points
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Sadly past form seems to indicate that you are spot on there Draytonian.
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As it stands Wigan avoiding the drop.
If Owls are deducted the rumoured 9 points it would send them down.
Interesting 45 mins plus ahead!
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It has been stated that Wigan get their points deduction this evening after the matches finish.
When are we likely to hear the verdict on Sheff Weds fate.
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If Wigan avoid relegation with the points deduction they may aswell just take it rather than argue/appeal and lose it next season
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The EFL could press the deduct buttons now and send them both down.
Would not surprise me in Owls case who gave EFL the financial runaround!
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Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are
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I know its not on the radar as much but in terms of old grounds and disasters this was largely forgotten...
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/day-1971-ibrox-disaster-kills-66-fans-1422986
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Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are
I reckon that Weds deduction will only be six points, not the nine that is was suggested it might be.
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Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are
Different reasons - different penalties..
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Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are
Different reasons - different penalties..
Wasn’t the Owls deduction suggested to be nine points though IDM.
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No idea, but that still wouldn’t be the same as Wigan’s 12.
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From what I hear the Owls will not be deducted anything. It’s not the most reliable source though.
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No idea, but that still wouldn’t be the same as Wigan’s 12.
But it would still relegate them.
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Yes but that wasn’t what I was answering - someone had suggested their penalty should be the same as Wigan’s.
Actually no that’s not what was said.. never mind, I misread it.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
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Looking more likely that Wednesday and Derby aren't getting any point deductions:
https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/the-owls-and-the-rams (https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/the-owls-and-the-rams)
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Hmmm. I'm no legal eagle but reading that it looks like both clubs used legal ways of cooking the books to stay within FFP limits and, unless I've misunderstood, the EFL approved both sales at the time. If that is the case, then more egg on face time for the EFL with more legal bills down the swanny!
All yet to be confirmed though and likely new governance rules will eliminate this loophole.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?
Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?
Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.
They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?
Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.
They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.
Ok, whatever they are they have fannied about since a November in this instance and still not got a decision.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?
Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.
They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.
Ok, whatever they are they have fannied about since a November in this instance and still not got a decision.
One thing we can all agree on is the process takes too long but it's not solely the EFL that drag their feet.
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?
Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.
They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.
It's about time they stop hiding behind that distinction and actually provide some governance, or dissolve in favour of a body that will. It isn't as if the FA spends much time giving a toss about the member clubs of the EFL, and I presume they are supposedly the governing body of these leagues?
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It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.
It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.
Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?
Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.
They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.
Ok, whatever they are they have fannied about since a November in this instance and still not got a decision.
One thing we can all agree on is the process takes too long but it's not solely the EFL that drag their feet.
Absolutely they do Baz but why don’t the EFL insist that the Disciplinary Committee (which I understand is a three man group in this case) get a move on and make a decision.
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Wigan lose appeal which is good news for Barnsley.
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Just saw a headline neither will be relegated this year by points deduction
"Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season."
Only Wendies to start on -12 points and not Wigan their down .
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That is yet another shocking decision. It basically accepts what looks to be a criminal conspiracy to produce this outcome.
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Bolton, Wycombe, Wigan. Three utterly dreadful decisions.
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I suspect that tyke62 would disagree with that.
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I suspect he would. Wouldn't make me wrong though.
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That is yet another shocking decision. It basically accepts what looks to be a criminal conspiracy to produce this outcome.
No it isn't. The EFL and The disciinary committee can only deal with the inescapable fact the Wigan were put into Administration.
The reason or merit for that decision may be a matter for another court at another time.
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That is yet another shocking decision. It basically accepts what looks to be a criminal conspiracy to produce this outcome.
No it isn't. The EFL and The disciinary committee can only deal with the inescapable fact the Wigan were put into Administration.
The reason or merit for that decision may be a matter for another court at another time.
Yeah, I'll wear that. This is a wilfully blind application of the letter of a badly flawed law, which ignores the natural justice aspect of what has happened.
The problem with your comment on this being a job for another court is that clearly it won't be. Because the Administrator appears to have no interest in pursuing the natural justice argument. So, as I've said in the other thread, someone has got away with scamming the EFL rules.
This is a classic example of what happens when you hold rules to be sacrosanct, and it turns out they are flawed.
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I suspect he would. Wouldn't make me wrong though.
Even the most ardent Wigan fan seems to go deadly quiet when you point out that they've a turnover of £11.5m and a wage bill of £19.4m with 4k less fans in the stadium than ourselves .
Opinions eh !!! .
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Tyke.
And the new owner wasn't aware of that information when he bought the club?
THAT is the key to the issue.
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I think it is corrupt the Wendy's get 12 points for breaking the football law, but get the points deduction next season. Wigan fall on hard times and get 12 now so to me it is double standards, but it is the EFL think
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Tyke.
And the new owner wasn't aware of that information when he bought the club?
THAT is the key to the issue.
Well the EFL did have wriggle room , the 12 point deduction isn't mandatory , they could have deducted them 9 points for instance .
Neither the EFL or the independent appeal panel were convinced by Wigan's version of events .
Bear in mind this wasn't a big club situation , two small clubs in the Championship were in the spotlight here .
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Bolton, Wycombe, Wigan. Three utterly dreadful decisions.
I don't think it's fair to put Wycombe in the same bracket to be honest, it's completely different to the situations with Bolton and Wigan. PPG may not have been the way forward but it was applied across the leagues so that's just that. Barnet were 11th in the National League but made the Play Offs and could easily have won promotion, so it's not just Wycombe, who happened to beat two other teams to earn promotion.
Anyway, I wish Wigan had stayed up but understand why the deduction has been applied. The fact Wednesday have avoided relegation this season despite their impropriety - wilful on the part of their owners - sticks though. That isn't fair.
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https://youtu.be/u6cN42EOngk
Worth a listen. Also talks about the Owls situation.
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Surely the bookies can just refuse to pay out on Wigan's relegation due to suspicious circumstances?
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Surely the bookies can just refuse to pay out on Wigan's relegation due to suspicious circumstances?
I think bookies both here or overseas will have the capability to investigate any irregular betting and if necessary report it to the authorities but as you say, the first step maybe voiding the bets.
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Bolton, Wycombe, Wigan. Three utterly dreadful decisions.
I don't think it's fair to put Wycombe in the same bracket to be honest, it's completely different to the situations with Bolton and Wigan. PPG may not have been the way forward but it was applied across the leagues so that's just that. Barnet were 11th in the National League but made the Play Offs and could easily have won promotion, so it's not just Wycombe, who happened to beat two other teams to earn promotion.
Anyway, I wish Wigan had stayed up but understand why the deduction has been applied. The fact Wednesday have avoided relegation this season despite their impropriety - wilful on the part of their owners - sticks though. That isn't fair.
I wasn't complaining about using PPG. Rather the bizarre refusal to weight home and away PPG which was simply ridiculous.
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My honest two penneth .
On the field have we deserved to stay up ? , absolutely not , we've given it a good go but in points earned on the field we fell short .
Do I have any sympathy for Wigan Athletic ? .
None what so ever , they've lived beyond their means for years .
This is a smaller club than ourselves and I haven't seen us enjoy a good number of seasons in the PL .
I haven't seen us beat Manchester City to win the FA cup and I've never seen us in Europe either .
They've had a good run on money they never generated through turnover and it's caught up with them .
There's a price to pay for reaching the heights they've hit as a small club and they've paid that price today in my opinion .
They aren't the first and they won't be the last either to suffer this fate .
You eventually reap what you sow .
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Excellent post tyke and one that some of our fans should read and digest
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My honest two penneth .
On the field have we deserved to stay up ? , absolutely not , we've given it a good go but in points earned on the field we fell short .
Do I have any sympathy for Wigan Athletic ? .
None what so ever , they've lived beyond their means for years .
This is a smaller club than ourselves and I haven't seen us enjoy a good number of seasons in the PL .
I haven't seen us beat Manchester City to win the FA cup and I've never seen us in Europe either .
They've had a good run on money they never generated through turnover and it's caught up with them .
There's a price to pay for reaching the heights they've hit as a small club and they've paid that price today in my opinion .
They aren't the first and they won't be the last either to suffer this fate .
You eventually reap what you sow .
I think there is an endless list of clubs you could apply 90% of that list to
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Tyke.
May I politely point out that you are utterly missing the point.
It's not about Wigan.
It's not about how they are managed.
It's not about Barnsley. Or how THEY are managed.
It's about a crook, scamming the game, and being given a nod through by the inadequate EPL processes.
This is where we are.
Barnsley have gained. The entire game has lost.
THAT is why it's an outrage against natural justice.
I humbly suggest that, right now, you are too close to the issue to see the wood for the trees.
You will. One day.
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Tyke.
May I politely point out that you are utterly missing the point.
It's not about Wigan.
It's not about how they are managed.
It's not about Barnsley. Or how THEY are managed.
It's about a crook, scamming the game, and being given a nod through by the inadequate EPL processes.
This is where we are.
Barnsley have gained. The entire game has lost.
THAT is why it's an outrage against natural justice.
I humbly suggest that, right now, you are too close to the issue to see the wood for the trees.
You will. One day.
Worth a read Billy , note the reference to the previous ownership .
Which is why I don't see Wigan as the victims .
https://threeamigoswigan.com/2020/08/06/why-relegation-to-league-1-might-not-be-such-a-bad-thing-for-wigan-athletic/
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Tyke.
You obviously aren't reading my posts before replying to them. I'll spell it out again.
It's nothing to do with Wigan.
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Tyke.
You obviously aren't reading my posts before replying to them. I'll spell it out again.
It's nothing to do with Wigan.
I know exactly what your saying but I don't view them in the same way you do .
Your clearly influenced by what happened to yourselves under Richardson which is understandable where as I'm looking at them under the previous Wigan ownership too .
All about opinions .
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Once again. My opinion has nothing whatsoever to do with Wigan. It is about allowing a crook to scam the rules.
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The reasons for Owls points deduction applying next season have been published.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53803735
Note the EFL wanted to apply the sanction immediately but the Independant panel ruled against it.
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The Wednesday are now about to take the Mick and appeal the 12 points being administered next season.
Their appeal is going to be that the points should come off the season before last when they were 24 points clear of relegation and I suppose the offence was committed.
This is going to roll on and on, just because the EFL can be run around and have no clout.
Now is their chance to make a stance and relegate them this coming season, it will not happen, and if it does not, with a club now admitting their guilt, and only questioning the timing of their guilt to their advantage, if the wendies get away with it I can't see any club being bothered about any ruling the EFL try to dish out again, what a team of clowns.
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The reasons for Owls points deduction applying next season have been published.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53803735
Note the EFL wanted to apply the sanction immediately but the Independant panel ruled against it.
It does seem odd that an Independant panel, appointed by the EFL to make a decision, can overrule the EFL on when the points deduction can be applied.
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But doesn’t the fact that it is an independent panel, take away any thought that the EFL may be biased.?
Folks on here were saying the EFL were favouring Wednesday but throwing the book at Macclesfield. So if it is now clear the timing of the Wednesday punishment is not the EFL’s doing, will posters now start to be more thoughtful when they instantly criticise the EFL for every perceived failing.?
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IDM, it is my view they are biased to the more influential teams, and the Wendies have also had a pull for a long time, even if a World Cup had come here their decrepit stadium was picked as one of the centres.
Every remotely bigger club has been treated historically differently from the Stockport's Macclesfield's and Hereford@s of this world.
The shoving out responsibility to a so called independent authority has just muddied the waters so that they can carry on as always, two examples last season Bolton and now the Wendies, with everyone in the circle pointing fingers at the next person in the circle saying not us, we wanted to but couldn't. A brilliant system of getting off the hook if required.
Meanwhile the clubs that do not seem to matter to them one jot get shafted.
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But doesn’t the fact that it is an independent panel, take away any thought that the EFL may be biased.?
Folks on here were saying the EFL were favouring Wednesday but throwing the book at Macclesfield. So if it is now clear the timing of the Wednesday punishment is not the EFL’s doing, will posters now start to be more thoughtful when they instantly criticise the EFL for every perceived failing.?
That is fair enough IDM, but DBR said that the EFL wanted to apply the points deduction this season.
Doesn’t that mean that the clubs (who are evidently the EFL) had decided that is what they wanted to do.
He said that the IP wouldn’t let them do it.
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If the Wendies carry out their threat of an appeal they will do so under the impression they will get away with it for a second time.
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Don’t know if it has been mentioned already but the bbc sport website says that if Wigan haven’t been sold by 31st August then they may not be allowed to start the new season.
The statement is made by the Latin’s administrations so I don’t know how much clout that will hold.
That deadline is less than two weeks before the scheduled start to the new season.
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The reasons for Owls points deduction applying next season have been published.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53803735
Note the EFL wanted to apply the sanction immediately but the Independant panel ruled against it.
It does seem odd that an Independant panel, appointed by the EFL to make a decision, can overrule the EFL on when the points deduction can be applied.
The Independant panel is not appointed by the EFL!! Otherwise, it wouldn't be Independant.
There are guidelines in the rules about the make up on an Independant panel and whom appoints the personnel!
It's another blow for the EFL in any case.
Yes, Wigan could be another Bolton/Bury. Let's hope the EFL have learned from last season and dont allow Wigan to start the season unless a buyer is in place.
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DBR, I see your point about the way an independent panel is formed, and how the guidelines are followed.
The thing I question is the results being the same every time, the small club gets hammered and the big club gets a slap on the wrist.
Very independent, and in fairness they have a ten out of ten record up to press. You can throw in the Teves affair as well if you want.
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Tevez was nothing to do with the Football League, surely?
Do they and the Premier League use the same panel then :laugh:
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DBR, I see your point about the way an independent panel is formed, and how the guidelines are followed.
The thing I question is the results being the same every time, the small club gets hammered and the big club gets a slap on the wrist.
Very independent, and in fairness they have a ten out of ten record up to press. You can throw in the Teves affair as well if you want.
I think the increase in cases appears to have increased the EFLs workload somewhat. I think to the average punter there appears to be some inconsistencies with the outcomes however, other than the administration cases, every other case is different and no doubt the Independant panel will say they judge each case on merit based on the evidence presented to them.
What is also a concern is with the panel appearing to criticise the EFL about their investigations, they probably don't know whether they want a sh*t or a shave at the moment. They probably feel they're on trial themselves.
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The reasons for Owls points deduction applying next season have been published.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53803735
Note the EFL wanted to apply the sanction immediately but the Independant panel ruled against it.
It does seem odd that an Independant panel, appointed by the EFL to make a decision, can overrule the EFL on when the points deduction can be applied.
The Independant panel is not appointed by the EFL!! Otherwise, it wouldn't be Independant.
There are guidelines in the rules about the make up on an Independant panel and whom appoints the personnel!
It's another blow for the EFL in any case.
Yes, Wigan could be another Bolton/Bury. Let's hope the EFL have learned from last season and dont allow Wigan to start the season unless a buyer is in place.
Fair enough DBR, perhaps I should have said the IP which was designated to make a decision.
However i still think it is odd that the EFL wanted to apply the points deduction this season But we’re overruled by the panel.
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To delegate authority and thus responsibility to an outside organisation equates to abdication .
The EFL governance model requires urgent review from the very highest authority ...wherever that may lie .