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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: StocksArmy on November 21, 2020, 05:37:43 pm
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
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Jesus wept.
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Underperforming?
Before today, Sunderland had only dropped 12 points all season before today. Over the first 11 games, they have picked up points at a rate equal to 88 over a season.
Do you expect us to roll up and dominate every team, every week?
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They started the season well
But they’ve won 2 out of 7 I think including cups.
The Sunderland fans have been calling for Parkinson to be sacked for the last few weeks
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I’m stunned by the OP
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They were not good to watch today, but Sunderland have decent form in the league this season. In their six league victories, they only conceded a single goal. These included beating Oxford, Peterborough and Ipswich. Their last five in league are W2, D2, L1. The defeat was by a single goal, which was a penalty. Very dull today mind.
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Bad performance yeah but this is a huge overreaction. Agree Moore could stand to simplify things a a bit but last time I said that James scored the winner from left wing!
Also agree on John as a left back but again the overall sentiment here is an overreaction to a poor performance
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
Yes and you couldn’t manage a subbuteo team !!
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Underperforming?
Before today, Sunderland had only dropped 12 points all season before today. Over the first 11 games, they have picked up points at a rate equal to 88 over a season.
Do you expect us to roll up and dominate every team, every week?
Its 11pts dropped before todays game however thats a lot of points for their budget in this league therefore "underperforming". I love how these kind of posts are subjected to the old "what do you expect" comment when in reality through media and comments coming out of the club regarding recruitment and management etc leads us to believe the club should be doing much better than they are doing. You can love the club as much as the rest of us but if you accept consistent bad performances then you will see the scenario much different to what i do. And obviously as you do disagree then fair play i dont mind that but dont come back with a comment saying "do you expect us to roll up and dominate every team every week? Because of course i dont but, this has happened regularly so far this season.
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We have injuries to key players and only one centre forward ...what do you expect !!
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
You being serious? What are you on?
Whiteman not looked as though he has wanted to be here all season. Please tell me you are on a wind up with a comment like that.
If some of what i am reading from you was remotely near reality i would be concerned about our Manager and the squad.
But I have never read so much negative rubbish from one post as what you have posted StocksArmy. IMO of course.
Unbelievable. :facepalm: :headbang: :crying:
Oh sorry. Agree CJ is not a left back.
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Four players out who would definitely be in the squad and probably would expect to start,
Taylor
Tulloch
John-Jules
Gomes
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Massive overreaction but I do agree that Moore needs to be held accountable for playing players out of position. Ferguson used to get slated all the time for square pegs in round holes whereas Moore seemingly has a free pass. It’s occasionally worked but more often than not hasn’t, and the persistence in playing John at LB in particular when Amos has never put a foot wrong there is particularly baffling.
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Surprised he doesn't go with this, which would be a much better use of players in
formation he wants.
Lumley
Halliday
Anderson
Wright
Amos
Whiteman
Smith
Taylor
Sims
James
Fejiri
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I%u2019m stunned by the OP
He is another who can only see negatives Derek. It is really sad.
All opinions are welcome of course. That is what a forum is for.
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Dramatic.
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Right ok. So.... we havent come away from games vs MK Dons, Wigan, Crewe, Plymouth Wimbeldon and Sunderland and thought "weve played shocking there" have you not? Thats over 50% of our opening 11 games but im talking tripe. Unreal!
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We werent shocking against Wimbledon, we just have nobody to put the chances away
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Massive overreaction but I do agree that Moore needs to be held accountable for playing players out of position. Ferguson used to get slated all the time for square pegs in round holes whereas Moore seemingly has a free pass. It’s occasionally worked but more often than not hasn’t, and the persistence in playing John at LB in particular when Amos has never put a foot wrong there is particularly baffling.
Agree with this , easy to blame the players but the manager has to be accountable for team selection and tactics which he got wrong on this occasion. Hopefully we learn from this.
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Moore has to shoulder a lot of the blame for that performance, he picked the wrong side yet again did tinker man. It was plain to see watching that first half that it wasn't working & a side better than Sunderland would have really gone to town on us, but he did nothing, poor management. It was like watching a well organised team against a bunch of kids who couldn't pass the ball three yards. He should have changed personnel 20 minutes in, we needed more energy & skill in midfield, James I'm afraid doesn't give us that, but he is an excellent left back, as is Amos. John isn't a left back & never will be in my opinion. Lockilo should have been pulled at half time, he spent more time on his backside than he did on his feet. When we're good we are good & easy on the eye, when we're bad we are shocking. Moore needs to have a look at himself for not either changing personnel or tactics earlier than he did.
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Surprised he doesn't go with this, which would be a much better use of players in
formation he wants.
Lumley
Halliday
Anderson
Wright
Amos
Whiteman
Smith
Taylor
Sims
James
Fejiri
Out of the three players who could play left back Amos is the slowest on recovery and the other two are better defenders. If I was playing three at the back Amos would be the best left wing back because of his crossing ability.
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We werent shocking against Wimbledon, we just have nobody to put the chances away
HAA thats ok then. Disregarding that we were behind twice and equalized with a last minute deflection. The game was bizarre yes i agree we dominated the game but again you think phew weve not lost but we should have won. Thats not ok in football. You HAVE to win those games and when you dont you have to start answering questions. The rate were going at we will be nowhere near at the end of the season.
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What made me laugh was straight from the kick off 2nd half when Whiteman pumped it long, if only we'd tried it from a few goal kicks
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We werent shocking against Wimbledon, we just have nobody to put the chances away
HAA thats ok then. Disregarding that we were behind twice and equalized with a last minute deflection. The game was bizarre yes i agree we dominated the game but again you think phew weve not lost but we should have won. Thats not ok in football. You HAVE to win those games and when you dont you have to start answering questions. The rate were going at we will be nowhere near at the end of the season.
I’m not disagreeing with any of that, just pointing out we weren’t shocking against Wimbledon
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I%u2019m stunned by the OP
He is another who can only see negatives Derek. It is really sad.
All opinions are welcome of course. That is what a forum is for.
It certainly is what a forum is for & respect due to the OP. Don't agree with it entirely but I find it sad that people find it sad. Don't see how you can say he's another one that can only see the negatives, do you mean just on todays game? or in general. If it's todays game then count me in as a negative, because that was absolute garbage. If it's in general, don't know how you would know that.
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We have injuries to key players and only one centre forward ...what do you expect !!
[/quotWe have injuries to key players and only one centre forward ...what do you expect !!
Name the key players? What many would call key players would surely only be Wright, Anderson and Whiteman? If you consider Tulloch and JJ key players I cabt have a conversation with you as the 2 have been injured for longer than the season has gone on as per my OP? Gomes yes you can name him but thats only 1. Cant name Richards as the manager took him out prior to injury. So id love to know who the key players in our squad are? The starting 11 each week has 100% been capable of winning every game. Every game will never happen i know but, weve lost a lot of games where we should have won never mind scrambled a point!
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It wasn’t good to watch...
You don’t need a few thousand fans telling you that playing John at left back is just plain wrong..
the balance is wrong and he is bringing the other 3 down...
Not sure why the manager consistently tries to stick a square peg in a round hole.....
We need another strike partner for Fej, he cannot do it all on his own, by he time he gets an opportunity he’s probably knackered....
Lokilo should be on the left wing NOT the right wing, he is very predictable and easy to mark....
I’m starting to not look forward to the next game now......but a top six finish is looking like a pipe dream .....maybe top half is a good season to be fair..
The op said many things you have all thought and are concerned about, so don’t ridicule him but give an argument to the points raised,
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Was poor by our standards but there are mitigating circumstances.
We gained a point. We move on.
Quite impressed with the keeper! Would agree Lokilo is not showing much ability on the pitch and now beginning to draw the wrath from his team mates. Thankfully, we have better players to come back in.
Just a case of getting through today hopefully without picking up any more knocks.
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Okenabirhie Needs support players to feed off and to supply too . All too often the pass to him unplayable and he can neither pass it off or take a shot or create an opening . DM is concentrating on possession in midfield to keep us in the game and making use of this to create openings but Okenabirhie is left trying to find his own space when the play isn’t coming towards HIM ! We were scoring goals earlier in the season but now he’s on his own it hard to be two places at the same time .
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
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DM picks John at left back because of his physical size and when he feels that the opposition have that in their favour.
Sunderland had some big fella's in there today, and he needed to match up at set pieces.
At least that's what I think.
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There is a lot of "i love the club too much to let anyone criticise it" going on here. My post is negative of course it is but, points that have been raised are actual points nevertheless! You can say this and that is the reason we are not performing but we all know that starting 11 today could dismantle anyone and so could any team in the division. But its now happening regular. Its not on impulse after todays result. If we go to Blackpool on Tuesday and beat them 0-10! You will all be on here hammering me. Thats how fickle football supporters are. But come back to this post after weve put a run of 2,3,4,5 undefeated results together and i will apologise and eat my words. Even 3 wins 2 draws or 3 wins 1 draw 1 loss etc because that is what promotion/playoff chasing teams do. It wont happen
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The OP ..what a pathetic loser of a fan .
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
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The OP ..what a pathetic loser of a fan .
And you are an idiot just in general. Keyboard warrior.
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If Whiteman wanted to go he would hand in a transfer request so I would guess he wants to stay.
Ferji is getting no help we are either hitting it over his head or blasting it at him when surrounded by defenders.
We are missing 4 top players hopefully madger, John Jules and Taylor will be back soon it may help get performance back to where it was Vs Charlton and Ipswich
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If Whiteman wanted to go he would hand in a transfer request so I would guess he wants to stay.
Ferji is getting no help we are either hitting it over his head or blasting it at him when surrounded by defenders.
We are missing 4 top players hopefully madger, John Jules and Taylor will be back soon it may help get performance back to where it was Vs Charlton and Ipswich
And where would that get him? A move he will get anyway
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If Whiteman wanted to go he would hand in a transfer request so I would guess he wants to stay.
Ferji is getting no help we are either hitting it over his head or blasting it at him when surrounded by defenders.
We are missing 4 top players hopefully madger, John Jules and Taylor will be back soon it may help get performance back to where it was Vs Charlton and Ipswich
And where would that get him? A move he will get anyway
Well it would have got him there in the summer wouldn’t it. Could have saved time playing for a club he doesn’t want to.... unless he does want to play which it obviously the case!
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If I was a footballer at a club that I didn't want to be at I would hand in a transfer request and get my agent to be making calls and getting articles in newspapers and website
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean they do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
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If I was a footballer at a club that I didn't want to be at I would hand in a transfer request and get my agent to be making calls and getting articles in newspapers and website
And then you are what is called a bad egg
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
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Stocks has the right to voice his opinion and whether people agree or not it is wrong to start name calling.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
I am gasping at thin air though it was yourself who proclaimed Whiteman had the most MOM awards.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
I am gasping at thin air though it was yourself who proclaimed Whiteman had the most MOM awards.
Now you are being really childish. You know exactly what i mean.
Yes he probably has got the most MOM awards as it happens. But whether he has or hasn’t, the fact is he has been excellent for us and isn’t playing like a man who doesn’t want to be here.
Shall we call it quits because this is going nowhere. You have made your point & i have made mine.
The jury is out and i am expecting a 9-1 majority in my favour. :scarf:
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The OP ..what a pathetic loser of a fan .
Oh dear, what a pathetic post.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
I am gasping at thin air though it was yourself who proclaimed Whiteman had the most MOM awards.
Now you are being really childish. You know exactly what i mean.
Yes he probably has got the most MOM awards as it happens. But whether he has or hasn’t, the fact is he has been excellent for us and isn’t playing like a man who doesn’t want to be here.
Shall we call it quits because this is going nowhere. You have made your point & i have made mine.
The jury is out and i am expecting a 9-1 majority in my favour. :scarf:
The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
What a ridiculous post, my guess is Whiteman was persuaded by Rovers to see how we go up to January. Me personally I would cash in & bring in a couple of misters we need to strengthen midfield with more experience & another striker. Really good player Whiteman, but he is replaceable. As for being consistent, I think he has been poor in quite a few games, today he was marshalled & made to look average.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
I am gasping at thin air though it was yourself who proclaimed Whiteman had the most MOM awards.
Now you are being really childish. You know exactly what i mean.
Yes he probably has got the most MOM awards as it happens. But whether he has or hasn’t, the fact is he has been excellent for us and isn’t playing like a man who doesn’t want to be here.
Shall we call it quits because this is going nowhere. You have made your point & i have made mine.
The jury is out and i am expecting a 9-1 majority in my favour. :scarf:
IMO hes been a passenger when the chips are down. Other than Plymouth away where he did drag us back into the game after we went 2-0 down he has only really shown how good he can be when the games have been going our way. But that has to be said for most of the team. As a previous post stated when we are good we are very good, but when we are poor...... forget it. Im speaking as a supporter who feels we have the capabilities to do something this season and if youre happy with 1 excellent performance every 3 games then prepare for another mid table season. I dont want that because I think we are better
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DM picks John at left back because of his physical size and when he feels that the opposition have that in their favour.
Sunderland had some big fella's in there today, and he needed to match up at set pieces.
At least that's what I think.
So we sacrifice playing an experienced left back in there, who gives us real attacking options, or a really promising youngster just so we can have physicality who looks totally out of his depth in that position. Not right in my opinion, not for the home team especially, that sounds negative.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
I am gasping at thin air though it was yourself who proclaimed Whiteman had the most MOM awards.
Now you are being really childish. You know exactly what i mean.
Yes he probably has got the most MOM awards as it happens. But whether he has or hasn’t, the fact is he has been excellent for us and isn’t playing like a man who doesn’t want to be here.
Shall we call it quits because this is going nowhere. You have made your point & i have made mine.
The jury is out and i am expecting a 9-1 majority in my favour. :scarf:
Campsall, just interested to know what your take is on todays performance.
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I must admit that I've taken my eye off the ball a little bit this season with everything that's been going off outside of football. After reading this post, I had to check the league table as I was half expecting to see that we'd dropped into the relegation places! Get a grip.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn’t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn’t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don’t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn’t win did they. That’s football you don’t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
Whiteman is impressive in games where we are on top, when we are on the back foot not so, he is not the only one though, Gomez is another. We need to improve in midfield big time. If it means losing our best asset to do so, so be it.
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I must admit that I've taken my eye off the ball a little bit this season with everything that's been going off outside of football. After reading this post, I had to check the league table as I was half expecting to see that we'd dropped into the relegation places! Get a grip.
Not about getting a grip for me, if we play really well & turn a good side over, ie Ipswich etc then brilliant, when we play like a group of strangers with absolutely no urgency or guidance from the manager then it's time to voice opinion & concerns. Todays performance can't just be swept under the carpet, it was awful & needs addressing. Get a grip.
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The statement that Whiteman performance today was because he wants to go is ludicrous. He was a marked man today and Sunderland’s manager was shouting at his players to get closer to him. He and we will have learn how to get past that. Because of injuries to the midfield players we've not had the same players in there regularly. The performance was poor but only one player was not playing in his natural position and that was James.
All the others have played in those positions before. But unlike a lot on here I have no problem with John at leftback he has pace and strength. James is better in that position I agree. But as Martin says when you are playing against a big side he gives the option. Also watching the game today he came in from the left and beat Wyke in the air to head the ball which looked like a certain goal.
As I said on another thread it’s our attacking goal scoring options that worry me we do not have goal scorers in the squad.
Also Les having watched Watters and Lokilo in the U23 games last season it was Lokilo who was the better player. Watters has done well in league 2 but that does not make him a league one striker.
So let’s hope some of the injured players are available for Tuesday we need more options in the starting eleven and from the subs bench.
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Well said Steve.
We got a hard earned point today against a big side who worked hard and stopped us playing. They didn’t trouble us in terms of too many goals scoring chances and we didn’t trouble them.
Two bits of individual skill got the goals.
Sunderland set out to close us down and frustrate us and they did that very well. The challenge for DM is to figure out how we set up against teams like that. We missed Taylor today hugely. And for me, Fej needs JJ playing off him up too once fit.
Lokilo for all his pace wasn’t up to it today. Whiteman, Simms and Smith were all closed down quickly today. Credit to Parkinson for doing his homework.
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The comment on Whiteman not wanting to be here is a joke. He'd have gone if he wanted to simple as that.
Hard to take you serious but Fej I find very annoying and spends the game on his heels. My honest opinion Lokilo isn't good enough and actually we'd have been better keeping Watters.
Only Darren Moore I think thinks Cameron John is a good idea at left back.
John Taylor is proving probably one of the most important absentees. Zero with. All the other wingers want to do is come inside.
Are you OK? He wants to go!. The club rejecting numerous offers are what have stopped him. If a Championship come with an offer worth accepting do you thing he will stay off his own back? Dont talk daft!
What a ridiculous statement.
Any player who was offered the chance to play for a club in the Championship & probably double or even treble their wages would almost certainly want to go.
That does not mean that do not want to be at the club they are at now.
Nothing about the way Ben Whiteman has played this season suggests he does not want to be here.
He has been very consistent and i think he has had more MOM awards than anyone else this season.
Well Gomes got the first 4 so so you are guessing there.
Now you are grasping at thin air.
I still think Whiteman has been very impressive. It is irrelevant how many MOM awards he has had.
To say he doesn%u2019t want to be here is quite frankly ridiculous.
Oh by the way just because we didn%u2019t beat MK Dons, Crewe, & Wimbledon doesn%u2019t mean we played rubbish.
Sometimes you just don%u2019t win because the opposition either matched the goal tally or scored more.
Did Sunderland play rubbish today? They may have been a bit negative 2nd half but rubbish they were not, but they didn%u2019t win did they. That%u2019s football you don%u2019t always get what you deserve.
Over a 46 match season it evens itself out and the final League table is the judge of how good a team you are.
I am gasping at thin air though it was yourself who proclaimed Whiteman had the most MOM awards.
Now you are being really childish. You know exactly what i mean.
Yes he probably has got the most MOM awards as it happens. But whether he has or hasn%u2019t, the fact is he has been excellent for us and isn%u2019t playing like a man who doesn%u2019t want to be here.
Shall we call it quits because this is going nowhere. You have made your point & i have made mine.
The jury is out and i am expecting a 9-1 majority in my favour. :scarf:
Campsall, just interested to know what your take is on todays performance.
Yes Ben had a poor game yesterday. But he has not had many this season.
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The OP ..what a pathetic loser of a fan .
I think someone needs to take his rose tinted glasses off sometimes before posting. Yes Stocks was way off with his post but he like everyone else is allowed an opinion. We might have differing opinions but none of us should be called losers.
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It just amazes me as soon as we have a poor game it becomes a crisis with some on this forum.
Of course DM will not be happy with the way we played yesterday.
He is not stupid he can see what we see. He may pick a different team to the one we as individuals would have picked or play in certain positions.
Teams are not going to lie down and let us play as we wish & allow us to dictate the game to our own benefit.
Sunderland came with a specific game plan which they implemented very well.
It worked up to the 93rd min.
They are a very solid outfit, well organised not a flamboyant team. They set up yesterday to achieve what they only failed by a whisker to achieve.
It is very difficult to break down a team that presses in such a disciplined manor.
They completely smothered us in midfield and we were unable to find the spark needed to brake their shackles.
Yes we were lethargic and the break it would seem did not actually work in our favour.
We are not going to steam roller through 23 teams in this league. We will have good days and bad days. The positive is we took a point from a game we were 2nd best.
That is always a big positive.
Sure we will see a reaction on Tuesday and the return of Taylor cannot come soon enough for me as he can give you that X factor needed.
It is unfair to expect Sims to be that man week after week after week.
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What a ridiculous OP, what do people honestly expect??? We got a lucky draw with an excellent Sunderland side and people are hysterical. Whatever the club do is wrong, I’m more than happy with this season. We’re 11th after 11 games and still in the FA Cup, why all the drama. If we have a club at the end of all this we should be grateful, get a grip!
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I really don't know why you're keeping up with this weird take that Sunderland were "excellent". They weren't. They did the basics well in a game where we struggled to string a pass together for long periods.
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Ben Whiteman is our and one of League 1's best players and is wanted by other clubs because of the way he plays and has played in games.
It is an open secret that as a club we have set a price for his transfer to another club that we will accept.
So he knows the exact position he is in and the best way for him to get a move to a bigger club is to keep playing well and attract other clubs to meet our financial requirements, He has every incentive to do well here in every game, but is a footballer not a machine so will not be brilliant every game.
I have every faith in the fact that every time Ben leads the team out he has every intention of doing as well as he possibly can, as I hope and believe every player pulling our shirt on does.
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What a waste of space this thread is, the only way Rovers can improve is by getting rid of 75% of the squad and the management team! It must be a miracle we have beaten or drawn matches against the top half teams in the division, maybe I can't see how well players have been so far, maybe we should all pack it up and just watch Prem rubbish on Match of the Day? Goodness knows what people like this expect from a Lg.1 team.
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Maybe we should ban any posts on the forum when we get beat so as not to upset the luvvies.
To read some posts you would think would we played poorly yesterday because we was playing Liverpool not a very average Sunderland team.
Yes Sunderland no doubt did set out to stop us playing but does that excuse all the misplaced passes?
It seems that anyone who criticises the team and or players doesn't know what they are talking about and aren't real Rovers fans to some.
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
Outrageous post hahaha. Crazy how much people lose their heads after one bad performance.
We were terrible yesterday - really bad. But we've had a good season so far, some excellent results and played nice football on the whole.
Whiteman has had a brilliant season and one bad game and you want him gone. Haha!!
Sunderland don't play good football but they were incredibly hard to break down yesterday and their game-plan completely stopped us from playing.
Yes it was a robbery but playing that bad against Sunderland and still getting a point is a good sign. Also remember DM only got back on the training pitch on Thursday.
Stocksarmy - relax bro.
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Maybe we should ban any posts on the forum when we get beat so as not to upset the luvvies.
To read some posts you would think would we played poorly yesterday because we was playing Liverpool not a very average Sunderland team.
Yes Sunderland no doubt did set out to stop us playing but does that excuse all the misplaced passes?
It seems that anyone who criticises the team and or players doesn't know what they are talking about and aren't real Rovers fans to some.
That is not what some of us are saying. It is the total over reaction by some that happens every time we don’t win is what we are commenting on.
To say most of the team are not good enough and Ben Whiteman doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly crazy.
The proof is in the pudding. We beat 4 of the best teams in this league in Charlton, Portsmouth, Ipswich & Lincoln and drew with another Sunderland.
We have Won 5 Drawn 3 Lost 3 are 11th in the league with 1 or 2 games in hand on nearly all the teams above us.
People who criticise the team are entitled to do so but those who wish to criticise those people’s posts are also entitled to. Are they not? Or am I missing something here?
Every time I disagree with someone I am accused of not being reasonable by accepting their post.
Sorry I am entitled to disagree with something I read and say it is embarrassing or ridiculous if that’s what I think. Just the same as they are entitled to disagree with me.
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We, either of our own making or Sunderland's, or both, were very poor yesterday.
However, both the late AFC Wimbledon equaliser and the very late equaliser yesterday, cannot be passed off as just lucky. We have got a little extra this season. We are currently two points up on where we were last season and these points have literally come from grinding out those two late equalisers. There are some things that never change (our appalling corner routines and to a lesser extent, set pieces more generally) but digging in right at the end has changed for the better. This comes down to energy, belief and stamina.
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If anyone cares about xG... Shit Doncaster 0.96 - Excellent Sunderland 0.74.
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We, either of our own making or Sunderland's, or both, were very poor yesterday.
However, both the late AFC Wimbledon equaliser and the very late equaliser yesterday, cannot be passed off as just lucky. We have got a little extra this season. We are currently two points up on where we were last season and these points have literally come from grinding out those two late equalisers. There are some things that never change (our appalling corner routines and to a lesser extent, set pieces more generally) but digging in right at the end has changed for the better. This comes down to energy, belief and stamina.
For all Sunderlands dominance 1st half it took an absolute worldy to beat our keeper
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Despite what The Beast has said i havent seen any hysterical posts on here about the Sunderland match.
I have seen posts by supporters who were concerned by our inability to pass the ball well and a significant lack of movement and imagination by our more forward players.
I am beginning to think TB is having a bit of a wind up at our expense.
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I sure hope he's on the windup because if not and he genuinely thinks Sunderland were brilliant...
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Please tell me who is happy with yesterday’s performance. I haven’t seen one that says they are.
It’s the over reaction to that performance that we are commentating on.
What evidence is there we are going to have a bang average season. We have played only 11 games out of 46 and lost only 3 of those 11.
Poor performances happen. DM will not be telling the players he was happy with it.
We have a lot of new players in the squad, young players still learning about 1st team League Football.
We are not the finished article are we. Let’s see where we are after the Christmas fixtures as that will give us a much more sensible picture of where we are as a team this season imo.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
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What a ridiculous OP, what do people honestly expect??? We got a lucky draw with an excellent Sunderland side and people are hysterical. Whatever the club do is wrong, I’m more than happy with this season. We’re 11th after 11 games and still in the FA Cup, why all the drama. If we have a club at the end of all this we should be grateful, get a grip!
Excellent Sunderland side? really? yes they were organised, but any good side would have put us to the sword yesterday, we were shocking.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
Will leave them out for you if youre eyeing them up.
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What a ridiculous OP, what do people honestly expect??? We got a lucky draw with an excellent Sunderland side and people are hysterical. Whatever the club do is wrong, I’m more than happy with this season. We’re 11th after 11 games and still in the FA Cup, why all the drama. If we have a club at the end of all this we should be grateful, get a grip!
What do you mean what do i expect? That begs the question..... what did you expect at 2:55 yesterday? To play like that? And excellent Sunderlan team?
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Wasn't the original post about Wright and Anderson.
Can't remember who signed them both, anybody know?
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Maybe we should ban any posts on the forum when we get beat so as not to upset the luvvies.
To read some posts you would think would we played poorly yesterday because we was playing Liverpool not a very average Sunderland team.
Yes Sunderland no doubt did set out to stop us playing but does that excuse all the misplaced passes?
It seems that anyone who criticises the team and or players doesn't know what they are talking about and aren't real Rovers fans to some.
That is not what some of us are saying. It is the total over reaction by some that happens every time we don’t win is what we are commenting on.
To say most of the team are not good enough and Ben Whiteman doesn’t want to be here is quite frankly crazy.
The proof is in the pudding. We beat 4 of the best teams in this league in Charlton, Portsmouth, Ipswich & Lincoln and drew with another Sunderland.
We have Won 5 Drawn 3 Lost 3 are 11th in the league with 1 or 2 games in hand on nearly all the teams above us.
People who criticise the team are entitled to do so but those who wish to criticise those people’s posts are also entitled to. Are they not? Or am I missing something here?
Every time I disagree with someone I am accused of not being reasonable by accepting their post.
Sorry I am entitled to disagree with something I read and say it is embarrassing or ridiculous if that’s what I think. Just the same as they are entitled to disagree with me.
But there is disagreeing, which is absolutely spot on. But there is also commenting that a poster is sad? Really? You don't have to 'accept' any post, you either agree or disagree surely. But some posters seem to believe their opinion is the right one, & woe be tired anyone disagrees with it. Sad really.
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
Outrageous post hahaha. Crazy how much people lose their heads after one bad performance.
We were terrible yesterday - really bad. But we've had a good season so far, some excellent results and played nice football on the whole.
Whiteman has had a brilliant season and one bad game and you want him gone. Haha!!
Sunderland don't play good football but they were incredibly hard to break down yesterday and their game-plan completely stopped us from playing.
Yes it was a robbery but playing that bad against Sunderland and still getting a point is a good sign. Also remember DM only got back on the training pitch on Thursday.
Stocksarmy - relax bro.
If we can get more experience in midfield I would want him gone ha ha, we should cash in & strengthen with more experience. As for him having had a brilliant season so far, I disagree, he has been hit & miss.
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We, either of our own making or Sunderland's, or both, were very poor yesterday.
However, both the late AFC Wimbledon equaliser and the very late equaliser yesterday, cannot be passed off as just lucky. We have got a little extra this season. We are currently two points up on where we were last season and these points have literally come from grinding out those two late equalisers. There are some things that never change (our appalling corner routines and to a lesser extent, set pieces more generally) but digging in right at the end has changed for the better. This comes down to energy, belief and stamina.
For all Sunderlands dominance 1st half it took an absolute worldy to beat our keeper
Very true, which makes us look even worse, any decent side would have thrashed us.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
No worries, I'll pick them up & put them in yours.
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Wasn't the original post about Wright and Anderson.
Can't remember who signed them both, anybody know?
Fergie.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
No worries, I'll pick them up & put them in yours.
What are you on about? I wasn't even talking to you.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Please tell me who is happy with yesterday’s performance. I haven’t seen one that says they are.
It’s the over reaction to that performance that we are commentating on.
What evidence is there we are going to have a bang average season. We have played only 11 games out of 46 and lost only 3 of those 11.
Poor performances happen. DM will not be telling the players he was happy with it.
We have a lot of new players in the squad, young players still learning about 1st team League Football.
We are not the finished article are we. Let’s see where we are after the Christmas fixtures as that will give us a much more sensible picture of where we are as a team this season imo.
The funny thing is that after two or three games people say it is too early to be making predictions about where we will find ourselves at the end of the season.
Those people say that ten games in will give us a better idea.
Well eleven games in shows that we are mid table.
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I would put Amos at fullback and move John much further up as when he goes up he causes havoc and can score a goal, just my opinion
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Please tell me who is happy with yesterday’s performance. I haven’t seen one that says they are.
It’s the over reaction to that performance that we are commentating on.
What evidence is there we are going to have a bang average season. We have played only 11 games out of 46 and lost only 3 of those 11.
Poor performances happen. DM will not be telling the players he was happy with it.
We have a lot of new players in the squad, young players still learning about 1st team League Football.
We are not the finished article are we. Let’s see where we are after the Christmas fixtures as that will give us a much more sensible picture of where we are as a team this season imo.
The funny thing is that after two or three games people say it is too early to be making predictions about where we will find ourselves at the end of the season.
Those people say that ten games in will give us a better idea.
Well eleven games in shows that we are mid table.
Won 5 drew 3 Lost 3 suggests to me above mid table. We have 1 game or 2 games in hand on most teams.
That record so far with an even games played by all 23 clubs would put us between 7th & 9th as an average.
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Yes we were disappointing but Sunderland have played more games than us and only lost two so can’t be that bad.
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I honestly think Sunderland were excellent first half, as a football fan Leadbitter was a joy to watch, his control of the game the way he pressed then dropped off to receive the ball and laid it off with one touch without looking. They were big, physical and strong and squeezed the game better than any team I’ve seen for a long time, they didn’t play entertaining, expansive football but did the ugly side of the game brilliantly. Their defenders were as big and strong as ours but better on the ball. They had better players all over the pitch, which you would expect from a club like Sunderland.
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What I found totally frustrating on Saturday was how negative we are. It seems our first instinct is not to pass the ball forward but to go either sideways or backwards. How many instances were there when we won a free kick in our own half (even some cases only just in our half) and the ball goes back to the keeper.
I am all for the keeper passing the ball out to get things moving but when our defenders persist in passing it back to him eventually he has no alternative to boot it forward.
It doesn't matter how big defenders are, if you pass and move you will overcome their size.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
No worries, I'll pick them up & put them in yours.
What are you on about? I wasn't even talking to you.
Well if you give out little childish digs, expect it back. I never said you were commenting to me, but I was to you.
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I honestly think Sunderland were excellent first half, as a football fan Leadbitter was a joy to watch, his control of the game the way he pressed then dropped off to receive the ball and laid it off with one touch without looking. They were big, physical and strong and squeezed the game better than any team I’ve seen for a long time, they didn’t play entertaining, expansive football but did the ugly side of the game brilliantly. Their defenders were as big and strong as ours but better on the ball. They had better players all over the pitch, which you would expect from a club like Sunderland.
It's a pity their fans don't agree with you then.
They think they're tripe.
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
No worries, I'll pick them up & put them in yours.
What are you on about? I wasn't even talking to you.
Well if you give out little childish digs, expect it back. I never said you were commenting to me, but I was to you.
Good for you.
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What I found totally frustrating on Saturday was how negative we are. It seems our first instinct is not to pass the ball forward but to go either sideways or backwards. How many instances were there when we won a free kick in our own half (even some cases only just in our half) and the ball goes back to the keeper.
I am all for the keeper passing the ball out to get things moving but when our defenders persist in passing it back to him eventually he has no alternative to boot it forward.
It doesn't matter how big defenders are, if you pass and move you will overcome their size.
The lack of movement for me was the big thing, you could see The keepers frustration when looking to pass it out
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Astonishing that 90% of these comments from fans are happy with these lackluster performances and dont think there are any issues need addressing here. Would rather tell me I am not a real supporter, dont know what I am talking about, I am negative :headbang: Ill shut my trap, agree with all comments and be happy with another bang average season then :bbscarf:
Do you want a hand picking your toys up or are you happy leaving them on the floor around the pram?
No worries, I'll pick them up & put them in yours.
What are you on about? I wasn't even talking to you.
Well if you give out little childish digs, expect it back. I never said you were commenting to me, but I was to you.
Good for you.
Thanks.
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What I found totally frustrating on Saturday was how negative we are. It seems our first instinct is not to pass the ball forward but to go either sideways or backwards. How many instances were there when we won a free kick in our own half (even some cases only just in our half) and the ball goes back to the keeper.
I am all for the keeper passing the ball out to get things moving but when our defenders persist in passing it back to him eventually he has no alternative to boot it forward.
It doesn't matter how big defenders are, if you pass and move you will overcome their size.
The lack of movement for me was the big thing, you could see The keepers frustration when looking to pass it out
Agree with this, it was like he had been given the instruction to play out from the back, but with Sunderlands press there was absolutely no plan B or change of tactics, it was very poor management in my opinion, plain to see after 10 minutes.
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
You lost any credibility as soon as I read what you out about Whiteman.
Didn’t bother reading the rest of the thread. Pathetic.
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You have to feel for em both. I have never seen 2 centre halves so good at this club together however, they consistently concede goals because of the rest of them. I dont know where to start here.....
1. Moore: You are not Pep Guardiola. Stop playing players out of position. Wright is not a RB, James is not a CM, John is not a LB (or a CB for that matter) Why sign Richards if you have players out of their position playing in his? With the injury list as it is, you have to play him whether hes in form, just back from injury or not. What has Danny Amos done wrong? Id be requesting a transfer if I was him. IMO the board has backed him as much as they possibly can. Players hes brought in are just not good enough with the exception of Sims (who played his worst game for us today) and Smith who is the only midfielder who can be happy with his performance. The writing should definitely be on the wall for DM whether you like it or not. Team selection and performances based on the hype of his signings need to change regardless of the injury list. We keep signing kids who have no mens football experience therefore long term injuries are inevitable and performances when fit will always be hit and miss. Thats on him! I keep hearing about how good of a manager/coach he is and yes ive seen patterns of play that suggest he has worked well with the squad but 70% of the performances and results are just not good enough! Its lacked backbone since the Rob Jones era! Im sick of nice footballers!
2. Whiteman: Give him his pay day. Not looked like hes wanted to be here at all this season.
2. John: NOT A LEFT BACK FFS!!!!! Squad player only for when everyone else you can think of is injured or banned.
3. Fej: Please leave the club.
4. Lokilo: Praise the Lord hes only on a 1yr contract.
I have watched the game long enough to know that when the team on the day have 5/6 players off it you just brush it under the carpet and take it on the chin. But this performance against a team who must be low on confidence due to underperforming have come away from the keepmoat without all 3pts and I almost feel sorry for em! We now have MK Dons, Crewe and an underperforming Sunderland team who have took points from us at home which is fine it happens in a season as a one off but, when youre meant to be one of the better sides in the division and youve created next to nowt in all those games you have to start asking questions. Plymouth was the same and Wimbledon should have been done before HT. It all falls back to the manager. Its a results based sport! That today was daylight robbery. We created nothing, and deserved nothing. No urgency even in injury time! How weve come away at 1-1 i honestly dont know but the result for me just papers over cracks.
You lost any credibility as soon as I read what you out about Whiteman.
Didn’t bother reading the rest of the thread. Pathetic.
Gutted you feel that way.
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Justify your thoughts on Whiteman then.?
As influential in our win tonight as any, and scored the winner too.. doesn’t look like he’s unhappy here to me..
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Hope you enjoyed that win tonight StocksArmy.
Whiteman was garbage. Can’t wait to go & play for someone else. :headbang:
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I think that Stocks will be delighted with that win.
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Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
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Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
I suggest you go read what I put on lucky pint before you have a go at my comments on the match tonight.. I was actually watching with a delay so pointless me looking at or commenting on the match thread until after the game ended,. I agreed with every one that we weren’t at the races first half so you can wind your neck in.. Oh and in the post above I made no reference to either half of the game, I was talking about Whiteman in general for the whole match, so you can double wind..
Yes Whiteman was one of our best players tonight, but my question to you is why do you have a problem with his commitment.? Yet to see any credible evidence - a few disappointing results proves f**k all about Whiteman.
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Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
I suggest you go read what I put on lucky pint before you have a go at my comments on the match tonight.. I was actually watching with a delay so pointless me looking at or commenting on the match thread until after the game ended,. I agreed with every one that we weren’t at the races first half so you can one your neck in.. Oh and in the post above I made no reference to either half of the game, I was talking about Whiteman in general for the whole match, so you can double wind..
Yes Whiteman was one of our best players tonight, but my question to you is why do you have a problem with his commitment.? Yet to see any credible evidence - a few disappointing results proves f**k all about Whiteman.
Im really not bothered. I use this board to put my pennies worth in based on how it looks to me and I will say it again he looks to me like he wants away. Not because hes fed up of the club but to better himself. I think a few times his heads gone down. Having said that in an earlier post i also stated that when we went 0-2 behind at Plymouth he was superb and if we did rescue a point in that game it would have been down to his efforts.
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If he wanted away he would have gone already.
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If he wanted away he would have gone already.
Already had this conversation with another poster. I disagree.
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Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
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He was rubbish first half along with the rest of them, he improved 2nd half, along with rest of them. Mind you some on here think he is the messiah, sad really.
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Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
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Could also argue a few good performances proves f..k all about Whiteman too.
He was rubbish first half along with the rest of them, he improved 2nd half, along with rest of them. Mind you some on here think he is the messiah, sad really.If he wanted away he would have gone already.
Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
I suggest you go read what I put on lucky pint before you have a go at my comments on the match tonight.. I was actually watching with a delay so pointless me looking at or commenting on the match thread until after the game ended,. I agreed with every one that we weren’t at the races first half so you can one your neck in.. Oh and in the post above I made no reference to either half of the game, I was talking about Whiteman in general for the whole match, so you can double wind..
Yes Whiteman was one of our best players tonight, but my question to you is why do you have a problem with his commitment.? Yet to see any credible evidence - a few disappointing results proves f**k all about Whiteman.
Im really not bothered. I use this board to put my pennies worth in based on how it looks to me and I will say it again he looks to me like he wants away. Not because hes fed up of the club but to better himself. I think a few times his heads gone down. Having said that in an earlier post i also stated that when we went 0-2 behind at Plymouth he was superb and if we did rescue a point in that game it would have been down to his efforts.
Influencial? You serious? 1st half he was as poor as anyone. 2nd half he was as good. But the change bringing Richards on won the game and moving James out wide. Strange as you pipe up now weve won. Never heard a peep after the 1st half. Sad really. Anyway, fantastic 2nd half but again papering over cracks if hes going to persist on setting us up like that.
I suggest you go read what I put on lucky pint before you have a go at my comments on the match tonight.. I was actually watching with a delay so pointless me looking at or commenting on the match thread until after the game ended,. I agreed with every one that we weren’t at the races first half so you can wind your neck in.. Oh and in the post above I made no reference to either half of the game, I was talking about Whiteman in general for the whole match, so you can double wind..
Yes Whiteman was one of our best players tonight, but my question to you is why do you have a problem with his commitment.? Yet to see any credible evidence - a few disappointing results proves f**k all about Whiteman.
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You could also argue that a few good performances prove f..k all about Whiteman too.