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Title: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: selby on November 22, 2020, 10:52:13 am
  After what I think everyone can agree was  a surprisingly poor showing for TV supporters yesterday we have a chance to put on a better display on Tuesday, but against a team that in the past have regularly come to the Keepmoat and have extracted similar turgid displays out of us and cashed in by getting a good result here.
 Obviously the positive was to get a point we hardly deserved v Sunderland on our attacking display, but in our own half some could argue we played very well defensively restricting Sunderland to only a few real chances and the back four and keeper having very good games.
  So it is start again tomorrow night take the positives and try and put right the negatives, and realise we are not great all the time and have highs and lows in a season, and turning the tables on Sunderland who did the same to us a couple of seasons ago with a Gooch goal against the run of play sits nice with me.
 Blackpool after a much needed take over by new owners looked to have recruited very well in preseason and were many peoples fancy to be a team to be reckoned with this season.
  Early on the much changed side had a Topsy turvy start, winning a couple and then some poor results, but lately have dropped into a more consistent form and the win yesterday shows they are now looking like a team in good form and have got it together Gary Madine a formidable striker at this level.
  What team we play is any ones guess, personally if Taylor is not fit I would probably edge towards starting with the same team as we know  they are better than what they showed yesterday.
  Getting players up and around our striker seems to be our biggest problem, exposing him to some rough treatment in every game, lots that has been ignored by match officials, and causing our forward play to break down. Watching Kane for Spurs last night drop deep and leave the central defenders with nobody to mark and other players run into the space if they followed him  could be a solution but needs players of exceptional ability and awareness to pull off, but is it worth trying? we should be at least looking to learn from the best.
  So, What would you do?
  With our injuries is there a lot we can do?
  Are we capable of turning individuel form around for the better in such a short time?
  Would you go with the same side?
  Blackpool like Sunderland have been a thorn in our sides in the past at the Keepmoat, can we stop their little run of better results?
  After yesterday who would you bring into the team if anyone?
  Lots to Discuss about this game, please have your say, any Blackpool supporters reading this you are most welcome to contribute.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 11:07:36 am
The lad CJ Hamilton is a class act in my opinion and I'm surprised he wasn't picked up by a championship side when he was at Mansfield .

Not entirely certain why he wasn't because I've always been impressed with him whenever I've seen him play .

Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 22, 2020, 01:31:16 pm
Certainly, they are the form team at the moment and we’re going to have to be much more ‘at it’ on Tuesday night.

I would make one or two changes, going back to our usual back four and drop Smith back alongside Ben. The front 4 definitely needs a bit of tweaking and both Fej and Lokilo would be benched for me.

JJ back up top and the 3 behind would be Sims, Richards and Gomes (if fit). That gives us the possibility of much more fluidity in the attacking third, the stability in defensive midfield and our usual rocks at the back.

What’s a squad for, if you don’t use them.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: EasyforDennis on November 22, 2020, 01:40:22 pm
I think Tuesdays team will very much depend on who is fit.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: selby on November 22, 2020, 01:48:55 pm
  Our old friend Husband one of our own products and favourite, Grant Ward, and Yates another one we let slip through local football, are all well known to us as good players, and with five victories on the bounce in all competitions they will be full of confidence and after beating Peterborough will definitely fancy their chances.
  To me fej has done a job Alan being up front as a lone attacker he has done well scored goals and battled. I am not saying I wouldn't like JJ on to share the load Fej playing with another striker took us to pieces at Shrewsbury a couple of seasons ago, but JJ would have struggled to be better in the last six or seven games Fej has played up front by himself.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Retdon1 on November 22, 2020, 02:17:40 pm
I think John Jules and Gomez will both be back on the bench
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 22, 2020, 03:19:16 pm
They have certainly come into form recently. Their away form in the league had otherwise been poor. Their first four away games in the league yielded three defeats and one draw, scoring only a single goal in those four games. Their last two away games have been wins, but both were by only a single goal - in one game the winning goal was a penalty and in the other, a 90+1 min goal. They are definitely beatable.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: bedale rover on November 22, 2020, 03:43:31 pm
Same back 4
Whiteman and Smith sitting
Sims Copps and Richards
Fej
Need more going forward and more control and play quicker
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 06:41:51 pm
Could be an interesting battle in midfield between Whiteman and our former player Kenny Dougall who is now at Blackpool , you may remember Dougall broke his leg after a challenge from Whiteman in the Rovers v Barnsley Sky game although there was no intended malice from Whiteman and it was just one of those .

Good league one player is Kenny , a class act at that level but falls just short in the championship .

Could be an interesting battle between those two .

If it wasn't for the fact we play Brentford on the same evening I'd have been tempted to pay a tenner and watch your game on Tuesday night .
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 22, 2020, 08:06:18 pm
Unless things have changed it will to early for Taylor from reports before Saturday.
                    Lumley
Halliday.    Wright.      Anderson.    James

                     Whiteman
            Smith.             Richards

     John-Jules.   Okenabirhie.     Sims

Subs Jones. Butler John. Gomes Williams Coppinger Lokilo

Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 22, 2020, 08:13:39 pm
The lad CJ Hamilton is a class act in my opinion and I'm surprised he wasn't picked up by a championship side when he was at Mansfield .

Not entirely certain why he wasn't because I've always been impressed with him whenever I've seen him play .






Maybe Barnsley’s offer was about £10 too little tyke.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 09:36:36 pm
The lad CJ Hamilton is a class act in my opinion and I'm surprised he wasn't picked up by a championship side when he was at Mansfield .

Not entirely certain why he wasn't because I've always been impressed with him whenever I've seen him play .






Maybe Barnsley’s offer was about £10 too little tyke.

That's probably true but the two bob merchants over here seem to be doing alright at the moment with some big spending big clubs well below us in the league .

But let's stick to Rovers shall we as it's a Rovers forum after all .
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: scawsby steve on November 22, 2020, 10:26:35 pm
  After what I think everyone can agree was  a surprisingly poor showing for TV supporters yesterday we have a chance to put on a better display on Tuesday, but against a team that in the past have regularly come to the Keepmoat and have extracted similar turgid displays out of us and cashed in by getting a good result here.
 Obviously the positive was to get a point we hardly deserved v Sunderland on our attacking display, but in our own half some could argue we played very well defensively restricting Sunderland to only a few real chances and the back four and keeper having very good games.
  So it is start again tomorrow night take the positives and try and put right the negatives, and realise we are not great all the time and have highs and lows in a season, and turning the tables on Sunderland who did the same to us a couple of seasons ago with a Gooch goal against the run of play sits nice with me.
 Blackpool after a much needed take over by new owners looked to have recruited very well in preseason and were many peoples fancy to be a team to be reckoned with this season.
  Early on the much changed side had a Topsy turvy start, winning a couple and then some poor results, but lately have dropped into a more consistent form and the win yesterday shows they are now looking like a team in good form and have got it together Gary Madine a formidable striker at this level.
  What team we play is any ones guess, personally if Taylor is not fit I would probably edge towards starting with the same team as we know  they are better than what they showed yesterday.
  Getting players up and around our striker seems to be our biggest problem, exposing him to some rough treatment in every game, lots that has been ignored by match officials, and causing our forward play to break down. Watching Kane for Spurs last night drop deep and leave the central defenders with nobody to mark and other players run into the space if they followed him  could be a solution but needs players of exceptional ability and awareness to pull off, but is it worth trying? we should be at least looking to learn from the best.
  So, What would you do?
  With our injuries is there a lot we can do?
  Are we capable of turning individuel form around for the better in such a short time?
  Would you go with the same side?
  Blackpool like Sunderland have been a thorn in our sides in the past at the Keepmoat, can we stop their little run of better results?
  After yesterday who would you bring into the team if anyone?
  Lots to Discuss about this game, please have your say, any Blackpool supporters reading this you are most welcome to contribute.

The forum's a bit boring just now Brian, so I thought I'd add a bit of pedantry. The Sunderland goal against the run of play that beat us 2 seasons ago was scored by Chris McGuire.

Gooch did score the 1st against us last season, but again it was McGuire who grabbed the winner.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 22, 2020, 11:28:27 pm
Chris Maguire.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: selby on November 23, 2020, 10:00:50 am
  I just remember an unfortunate slip and a favourable bounce that resulted in just as big a robbery of points as ours was on Saturday in that game, and the Sunderland fans quite happy to go away with the points.
  We have been an  unlucky side against Sunderland on more than one occasion, The Butler wrestling saga, the wiping out of Marquis and no free kicks or penalty along with other lets say strange things happening in games makes the late equaliser on Saturday sit easy with me.
  On to the game v Blackpool and I will take another scruffy winner even if we are not the best team, the reverse has happened to us enough over the last few seasons for me not to feel any embarrassment at all.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Donnywolf on November 23, 2020, 10:04:04 am
Chris Maguire.

Correct


Head to Head

Doncaster v Sunderland

HT 0 - 0 FT 0 - 1

Chris Maguire (47)
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Donnywolf on November 23, 2020, 10:07:04 am
Just seen Armand Gnanduillet isnt playing for them any more lol - thats great news for me
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: selby on November 23, 2020, 10:13:36 am
  Playing for Altay Izmir in Turkey Wolfie, so unlikely to bother us this season at least.
  I watched him in September while over there, the very noisy fans love him or at least did that day as he scored a typical scruffy scrambled goal.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 23, 2020, 12:45:59 pm
Quote
To me fej has done a job Alan being up front as a lone attacker he has done well scored goals and battled. I am not saying I wouldn't like JJ on to share the load Fej playing with another striker took us to pieces at Shrewsbury a couple of seasons ago, but JJ would have struggled to be better in the last six or seven games Fej has played up front by himself.

He may have done a job, but he is nowhere near a ‘Marquis’. Many people slagged JM off whilst he was here (latterly) but I’ll bet most of those have now had a re-think on exactly what he did for us, whilst he was here. Yes, I know he’s gone and we’ve moved on, but Fej is just not in the same ball park. I also agree, in part, with your comments re JJ, but JJ offers us a bit more on the anticipation and ‘speed of thought and deed’ front. He’s a different animal to Fej, but I think he will give us more movement and guile, which, in turn, may well free up some space for (such as) Sims to exploit.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 23, 2020, 01:37:50 pm
Not seeking to compare them, but Fej is not hugely behind Marquis in terms of goal return.

In his last League One season with us, Marquis scored 21 in 44 games, at 0.47 per game. This season Fej has 3 in 10 games, at 0.3 per game.

However, Marquis ALWAYS started, whereas most of Fejiri appearances in league this season he has not started.

21 in 44. 0.47 per game.

3 in 10. 0.3 per game. 
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: selby on November 23, 2020, 01:57:08 pm
  JJ may be better when he can square up a defender in front of him Alan and go past him but the way we play that will not happen that many times in a season for a  striker, and he didn't  look as good as fej  with his back to goal to me.
  Both are on a hiding to nothing if others don't get around them and run off them, JJ will score the more spectacular goals probably but Fej gets in where the ball is going to go more often from what I have seen.
  As I say I would at some time like to see both as a pair in a team with JJ playing just behind and wider.  If you go back in time you will find I was one of JM's biggest fans  as I thought and still do he is one of the best we have ever had in my time watching and all the time without a partner of substance.
  These two I also rate from the little we have seen of them if they get the service I think they will both score goals, but would edge towards Fej if playing just one up front.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: RoversAlias on November 23, 2020, 01:58:22 pm
That is fair CBCB, because Fejiri actually has 6 goals from 12 starts at a rate of 1 in 2 this season for us. He only played a combined 33 minutes off the bench in the first three league games so harsh to judge him on those.

He also got two goals in two starts encompassing 162 minutes for us last season, which comes out to less than two full matches worth. So his scoring rate is very good for us so far.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on November 23, 2020, 02:41:22 pm
Fejiri is 1st choice for me but we still really need JJ back to come on for the last 20 or start up with Feriji. I'd love to see us go with 2 up top occasionally i'm sure it'd help our goal scoring and free up space for Whiteman in midfield
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: scawsby steve on November 23, 2020, 05:43:52 pm
Chris Maguire.

Wow. Caught me out with a rare spelling mistake there Chris. My reading of semantics has been slipping recently too.

Must be the lockdown.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 23, 2020, 06:26:30 pm
According to Liam Hoden none of the players who were not available for Saturday will not be available tomorrow night. Richards is ready to Start though.

So let’s have Whiteman, Smith and Richards in midfield.
Sims and Okenabirhie plus one more from Coppinger or Lokilo
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: NickDRFC on November 23, 2020, 06:38:42 pm
According to Liam Hoden none of the players who were not available for Saturday will not be available tomorrow night. Richards is ready to Start though.

So let’s have Whiteman, Smith and Richards in midfield.
Sims and Okenabirhie plus one more from Coppinger or Lokilo

Do you mean none of the players who weren’t available will be available? Ie the same players to choose from? If so that’s disappointing, but hopefully John-Jules & Gomes will come into the reckoning for the weekend.

I’d go with:

Lumley
Halliday Wright Anderson James
Smith Whiteman
Coppinger Richards Sims
Okenabirhie

I’d leave Lokilo out to try and fire him up a bit for a sub appearance, and put players in their natural positions.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: sha66y on November 23, 2020, 06:41:20 pm
Let’s get that back four looking  solid again,
Halliday down the right and James down the left......anything else will be courting an unnecessary struggle and possible disaster....

I do like John as a CB so he will have to wait his turn until either Anderson or Wright are unavailable....
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 23, 2020, 07:36:26 pm
According to Liam Hoden none of the players who were not available for Saturday will not be available tomorrow night. Richards is ready to Start though.

So let’s have Whiteman, Smith and Richards in midfield.
Sims and Okenabirhie plus one more from Coppinger or Lokilo






I totally forgot to mention that I thought Richards added a little something to our attack when he came on.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 23, 2020, 08:19:24 pm
Why, suddenly, are these injuries taking an absolute age to sort? It seems to be taking forever to get players back in the squad!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: RoversAlias on November 23, 2020, 10:38:54 pm
Why, suddenly, are these injuries taking an absolute age to sort? It seems to be taking forever to get players back in the squad!

What is sudden about it? Perhaps the fact we are playing every few days is altering the perception. They're missing more games than they usually would for the time they're out.

John-Jules just returned to Rovers at the end of last week so they're probably working him back to match fitness which will take a week or two. Richards is now back, Taylor and Gomes have had issues keeping them out a few weeks, and Tulloch remains at West Brom.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 23, 2020, 10:52:06 pm
Our home record against Blackpool is absolutely appalling.

In the last 10 home games against them (9 in league and 1 in cup) going back to October 2009, we have somehow managed to win 1, draw 2 and lose 7.

Our solitary win in that run was 2-0 in League One almost exactly two years ago (27 November 2018) with goals from Herbie Kane and John Marquis.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Janso on November 23, 2020, 11:07:41 pm
The two draws were good games though from memory. Both 3-3, I believe.

Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: scawsby steve on November 24, 2020, 02:45:46 am
The two draws were good games though from memory. Both 3-3, I believe.

Yes, J. In the first game, JET scored a brilliant solo goal for Blackpool.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: SoundbiteBarmyArmy on November 24, 2020, 06:55:23 am
Forgot we were playing tbh. 3 points and a decent performance please, Rovers.  :bbscarf:
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on November 24, 2020, 12:10:10 pm
3 points would be very welcome. I hope Whiteman is more prominent and we get the ball to Sims more often. Seemed to be long periods v Sunderland that he didn't get a touch, with more coming down the right.

Would be a bonus if we had JJ on the bench to keep Fejiri on his toes.

Another tough game but one the players should be relishing!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: SoundbiteBarmyArmy on November 24, 2020, 12:17:48 pm
Our home record against Blackpool is absolutely appalling.

In the last 10 home games against them (9 in league and 1 in cup) going back to October 2009, we have somehow managed to win 1, draw 2 and lose 7.

Our solitary win in that run was 2-0 in League One almost exactly two years ago (27 November 2018) with goals from Herbie Kane and John Marquis.

Great!   :headbang:

I bet Donny lad, Jerry Yates scores.....
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: elmsallrover on November 24, 2020, 07:25:25 pm
That didn't take long did it
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on November 24, 2020, 07:38:24 pm
Our home record against Blackpool is absolutely appalling.

In the last 10 home games against them (9 in league and 1 in cup) going back to October 2009, we have somehow managed to win 1, draw 2 and lose 7.

Our solitary win in that run was 2-0 in League One almost exactly two years ago (27 November 2018) with goals from Herbie Kane and John Marquis.

Great!   :headbang:

I bet Donny lad, Jerry Yates scores.....

Spot on...from the spot!  :headbang:
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: DD on November 24, 2020, 07:43:36 pm
I said on Saturday & I’ll say it again tonight - this is shite!
We look absolutely clueless.
Their goalie could be wrapping his Xmas presents!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris the Rover on November 24, 2020, 07:49:50 pm
Comments like that DD will have certain posters referring to you as embarrassing. It’s been awful again. We look totally clueless.  I just hope we improve significantly in the second half.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 24, 2020, 07:53:42 pm
They have done exactly what Sunderland did. No space for us to play football and Smith, Sims, Copps and Whiteman who are superb players are making some awful errors under pressure.

Everything about that second goal was just wrong. Losing possession, zero midfield, keystone cops defending and keeping.

Second half will be better!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Avsuptem on November 24, 2020, 07:54:30 pm
It's not much fun watching the ball bounce off Fej and go straight back to the opposition.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Janso on November 24, 2020, 07:57:24 pm
It's not much fun watching the ball bounce off Fej and go straight back to the opposition.

Even less fun seeing an aerial ball come towards him knowing he's not going to get anywhere near it.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: eastender on November 24, 2020, 07:58:20 pm
Can't say that i'm looking forward to being allowed back in the ground if this is the standard of football that is going to be on offer, utter rubbish. :mad:
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 08:03:31 pm
Comments like that DD will have certain posters referring to you as embarrassing. It’s been awful again. We look totally clueless.  I just hope we improve significantly in the second half.
Comments like the one StocksArmy posted were embarrassing Chris the rover ok.

People saying we are not playing well is a different ball game ok.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 08:55:19 pm
Whatever DM said at HT did the trick.

What a brilliant 2nd half. This team keeps going to the final whistle, and is showing the type of character that gives you a great chance of getting promotion.

Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: dickos1 on November 24, 2020, 08:56:54 pm
What a contrast of two halves
First half was dreadful
Second half was excellent

We’re just not suited to fannying about with it in our own box, we don’t have the players.
Get the ball into our better players and let us hurt them with the players that can
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 08:57:44 pm
Sims poor 1st half but outstanding in the 2nd.

What is up with Copps. He has had more mis placed passes this season than in the last 17 put together.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 24, 2020, 08:59:01 pm
Not just Copps in first half. The quarter of him, Sims, Whiteman and Smith were all equally dreadful in first half. Awful.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 24, 2020, 08:59:18 pm
Whatever DM said at HT did the trick.

What a brilliant 2nd half. This team keeps going to the final whistle, and is showing the type of character that gives you a great chance of getting promotion.





I just wish we would get going from the first whistle as well.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 24, 2020, 09:02:39 pm
What a contrast of two halves
First half was dreadful
Second half was excellent

We’re just not suited to fannying about with it in our own box, we don’t have the players.
Get the ball into our better players and let us hurt them with the players that can
Made one change and different side more pace, sorry these performances by Copps is showing he’s slipping away. Okenbirhie passenger and doing nothing in his overall game to stop JJ get back in when ready.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: SoundbiteBarmyArmy on November 24, 2020, 09:02:53 pm
I haven't watched the game, so I have nothing to give on the performance, but we must've had something about us in the second half to win after being 0-2 down?

To say Blackpool were in the shit not so long ago, they seem to have some decent League One standard players.

Decent 3 points. Another W with 2 games in hand over some teams. Just the small matter of free-scoring Hull City away next in the league.

COYR!!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Bessie Red on November 24, 2020, 09:03:50 pm
What a contrast of two halves
First half was dreadful
Second half was excellent

We’re just not suited to fannying about with it in our own box, we don’t have the players.
Get the ball into our better players and let us hurt them with the players that can
Richard's changed the game for us, also putting James out wide worked, why he starts in CM I dont know!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 09:04:04 pm
Pleased we don’t have VAR in League 1
Would have been a hand ball by BH near the end.

We were due a bit of luck against Blackpool. They have been a bogey for us for far too long.
Can we play them at home on a Tues last week in November every year please.
27/11/18 & 24/11/20 only wins at home in 10.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 09:06:36 pm
I haven't watched the game, so I have nothing to give on the performance, but we must've had something about us in the second half to win after being 0-2 down?

To say Blackpool were in the shit not so long ago, they seem to have some decent League One standard players.

Decent 3 points. Another W with 2 games in hand over some teams. Just the small matter of free-scoring Hull City away next in the league.

COYR!!!!
Hull are due a big defeat. Well any defeat. Wish we could be there next week to see that one.
Always enjoy our trips to the KC stadium.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 24, 2020, 09:06:43 pm
What a contrast of two halves
First half was dreadful
Second half was excellent

We’re just not suited to fannying about with it in our own box, we don’t have the players.
Get the ball into our better players and let us hurt them with the players that can
Richard's changed the game for us, also putting James out wide worked, why he starts in CM I dont know!

Because the manager must have felt that Richards not ready for 90mins. He will be now ready for Saturday.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on November 24, 2020, 09:07:11 pm
Great comeback win. One of the best. Just shows when we up the tempo. It's not necessarily about playing square pegs in round holes but the pegs performing the way we know they can.

We know DM has limited options so don't know why folk bang on about it. Leave Cameron John at left back out of it. Get used to it. You can't use that to blame every poor performance on.

I'm all for fair criticism and the first half wasn't up to scratch albeit Blackpool were on it and the ref fell for Madines antics.

So pleased justice was done and how they had the gaul to complain when Halliday bought a free kick late on beggars belief.

We needed that!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2020, 09:14:31 pm
Needed to win that after a poor display v Sunderland. 4 points looks very good out of these two games. Think we'd all have taken that before playing them especially given injuries
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 24, 2020, 09:29:26 pm
The criticism isn’t without merit though is it.
We have only played well in one half of those last two matches.
Four points is good but the level of performance hasn’t been.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Donnywolf on November 24, 2020, 09:36:08 pm
Terrible terrible first half but with that Ref doling them out a Pen which looked dubious at best didnt help

Also morngy moungy Madine was no helping

I had them to be leading at HT but Rovers to win at FT but the 2nd goal looked to have been a killer

However what a transformation - bang 1-2 bang 2-2 then we had to be patient and we were. At 1-2 Cash out was 73p and I staked a quid. It went to 8.63 at 2-2 and I was hoping. Then it went down and down to under £5

Then bang 3-2 - up it shot to 23.50 and I cashed out delirious that I had won and mourngy Madine hadnt despite all his cynical antics
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on November 24, 2020, 09:37:02 pm
I agree completely. Just think these can be put in the played poorly still got a result which is a mark of decent teams. Certainly need to up our performance level quickly.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 24, 2020, 09:40:09 pm
The criticism isn’t without merit though is it.
We have only played well in one half of those last two matches.
Four points is good but the level of performance hasn’t been.

I agree we’ve not played well in those first halves but let’s get Richards90mins now and JJ, Gomes and Taylor back in the squad and we should see better performances.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 24, 2020, 09:44:26 pm
The criticism isn’t without merit though is it.
We have only played well in one half of those last two matches.
Four points is good but the level of performance hasn’t been.

I agree we’ve not played well in those first halves but let’s get Richards90mins now and JJ, Gomes and Taylor back in the squad and we should see better performances.






It should make a difference, I hope so anyway.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 09:45:05 pm
Any one noticed certain posters are missing after that brilliant come back tonight and 3 great points for the Rovers.

Strange isn’t it they only appear when we don’t win.   ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 24, 2020, 09:46:34 pm
Any one noticed certain posters are missing after that brilliant come back tonight and 3 great points for the Rovers.

Strange isn’t it they only appear when we don’t win.   ;)






Who do you mean mate.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: selby on November 24, 2020, 09:49:54 pm
Bang on there Hound, we have done it in quite a few games, the difference today was passing the ball forward instead of sideways and back like we did in the first half in which we had by far the most possession in the stats  and very few shots at goal, the whole team being at fault.
  When we play like that it is a centre forwards grave yard, they don't have a chance.
  I thought their penalty a bit iffy, but John got caught with the cross getting mixed up in a tussle when he just had to keep the player on the outside, their second a comedy of errors.
 Lots of positives in the second half, combined with a bit of luck but nobody can complain about the spirit we have shown in the last two games, now we need a bit of consistency not only in a few successive games, but during one game, it is very rare teams get away with such different swings in form during one match, and it isn't the first time we have shown the trend this season.   
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 09:50:32 pm
Any one noticed certain posters are missing after that brilliant come back tonight and 3 great points for the Rovers.

Strange isn’t it they only appear when we don’t win.   ;)






Who do you mean mate.
Now you are trying to stir it hound.  :boxing:  :)   You bad boy. I’m not biting.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Bentley Bullet on November 24, 2020, 09:51:12 pm
My mother-in-law is 89, 4ft 10", diabetic, with failing eyesight, dodgy hips, a dicky ticker and incontinent.  She could have played in goal for Blackpool tonight and kept a clean sheet in the first half.

Second half Rovers were much, MUCH better and I applaud them for that.

So, to summarise, I thought we were shite in the first half, and very good in the second half.

I guess I'm just a fickle fan!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 24, 2020, 09:53:16 pm
My mother-in-law is 89, 4ft 10", diabetic, with failing eyesight, dodgy hips, a dicky ticker and incontinent.  She could have played in goal for Blackpool tonight and kept a clean sheet in the first half.

Second half Rovers were much, MUCH better and I applaud them for that.

So, to summarise, I thought we were shite in the first half, and very good in the second half.

I guess I'm just a fickle fan!






She could have had a quick toilet break on one of the occasions that Madine was rolling around crying.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on November 24, 2020, 09:54:11 pm
The criticism isn’t without merit though is it.
We have only played well in one half of those last two matches.
Four points is good but the level of performance hasn’t been.

I said there's fair criticism hound, but there are those who jump on players and DM's back when things go badly and resort to the same old things.

I'm quite critical of Fejiri's overall contribution however you have to weigh that up against him playing up there as a one. I'm fairly sure DM sees him at his best when he plays in a two or an interchangeable three! He's not really a hold up man but I'm sure we'd all like him to be better at it.

As said, when we get JJ, Taylor and Gomes back, and maybe Tulloch, it's a whole new dynamic with DM having better options.

Richards was excellent when he came on. I sometimes thought he wasn't fully committed but he's one of those players who has the knack of coming out of challenges with the ball against the odds and can open things up. Great chipped cross for James who took the goal with aplom!
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: drfchound on November 24, 2020, 10:00:30 pm
The criticism isn’t without merit though is it.
We have only played well in one half of those last two matches.
Four points is good but the level of performance hasn’t been.

I said there's fair criticism hound, but there are those who jump on players and DM's back when things go badly and resort to the same old things.

I'm quite critical of Fejiri's overall contribution however you have to weigh that up against him playing up there as a one. I'm fairly sure DM sees him at his best when he plays in a two or an interchangeable three! He's not really a hold up man but I'm sure we'd all like him to be better at it.

As said, when we get JJ, Taylor and Gomes back, and maybe Tulloch, it's a whole new dynamic with DM having better options.

Richards was excellent when he came on. I sometimes thought he wasn't fully committed but he's one of those players who has the knack of coming out of challenges with the ball against the odds and can open things up. Great chipped cross for James who took the goal with aplom!





Yep, I agree with most of that Baz.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Campsall rover on November 24, 2020, 10:02:49 pm
My mother-in-law is 89, 4ft 10", diabetic, with failing eyesight, dodgy hips, a dicky ticker and incontinent.  She could have played in goal for Blackpool tonight and kept a clean sheet in the first half.

Second half Rovers were much, MUCH better and I applaud them for that.

So, to summarise, I thought we were shite in the first half, and very good in the second half.

I guess I'm just a fickle fan!
No an honest summary BB  fickle or not.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 24, 2020, 10:18:50 pm
All I can say after that is thank goodness we have defenders who know where the net is.

Relief all round, I suspect.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on November 24, 2020, 10:22:59 pm
Let's be fair that first half was naff, poor defending no creativity and the attackers not doing their bit.

But the lineup and style the manager picked didn't work.  One change made it all click. Unfortunately Copps was the one who came off and it was the right thing to do.  But Richards was superb and we won the game becauSe it all connected better up top.

The manager will surely be thinking about his selections of late. In fairness to him he has limited options in attack and midfield. Get them guys back and we will win a lot of games, just as we were earlier this season.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 24, 2020, 10:35:43 pm
My problem with us at the moment is this consistency thing and, thinking about the Club’s strategy going forward. If you remember back to last season, we kind of hit the wall with teams that set out to stifle us, then as the season wore on, we started to get round the problem and put some results together.

Fast forward to this season and it appears to be the same story, but with a whole new bunch of players who have to learn what is required in this league. The problem is not going to be resolved, as I can only see another large influx of young loanees again next season. And it’ll be like Groundhog Day once more.

DM must feel like he’s hitting his head against a wall at times.

Still, if it’s the only way through this current crisis, then we have to grin and bare it.

Well done to the manager and players for turning that around tonight - we needed that. Now, let’s try and put a run together.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 24, 2020, 10:39:09 pm
It is difficult to reach a judgement on Fejiri. He is left totally and utterly isolated, with only the odd heaved ball lumped up to him. Games do pass him by though. His goal aside on Saturday and I think one other chance, in 180 minutes he wasn't really a threat at any stage. The guy needs some support to perform.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: ravenrover on November 24, 2020, 10:55:37 pm
As has been said earlier in this thread Fej is not a solitary target man, for me the few times I've seen him he needs to pkay off a front man who can hold the ball up and slip Fej in behind defenders.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on November 24, 2020, 11:09:07 pm
Interesting to read the Blackpool fans’ view of the game:

https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/doncaster-rovers-v-blackpool-official-matchnight-thread-24-11-20.11464/page-32. Warning, more than 600 posts!

Quite a few didn’t rate the referee, and some were not too happy with Madine throwing himself to the ground. Theirs views on their team in both halves could not have been more extreme. They were ballistic with the result!

(Oops! Just noticed that their forum has been mentioned in another thread...sorry!)
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 24, 2020, 11:14:03 pm
If Fej isn’t a target man, it makes you wonder why we went for him? DM’s preferred system is 4-2-3-1, so it needs a good solid lad, with plenty of energy, to do that job up top on his own.

He’s been here long enough now to realise the demands on him and what he needs to do to cement himself in the side. If anything, he’s regressing rather than progressing on that front. Maybe he’s a lad who needs plenty of time to feel comfortable with what’s needed, but whatever it is, he needs to up his game a hell of a lot more.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: since-1969 on November 24, 2020, 11:16:27 pm
The Blackpool result could well a season definer, with players coming back to fitness, goals are still coming from around the team . 
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 24, 2020, 11:58:55 pm
It’s alright talking about centre forward graveyard every time the ball went to Feji it bounced away so defenders job was easy. He doesn’t anticipate he reacts. In the second half when we were better he didn’t collect a good ball and might aswell not been there. To get another striker near him then we have got to play 442 or 352. But we haven’t got a big man for him to play off. So he needs to be mobile not just playing with his back to goal.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: NewDonny on November 25, 2020, 03:01:16 am
Any one noticed certain posters are missing after that brilliant come back tonight and 3 great points for the Rovers.

Strange isn’t it they only appear when we don’t win.   ;)

Great comeback, pleasing to see.






Who do you mean mate.
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: Donnywolf on November 25, 2020, 06:48:53 am
Who was that muppet crying like a girl every time the ball went within 10 yards of him ?

Maiden Madine (Withagram) - is there a more apt name for playing like that ?
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: SydneyRover on November 25, 2020, 07:18:18 am
Pretty good value, first game was Ipswich and now Blackpool  :lol:
Title: Re: Let's talk about the Blackpool game
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on November 25, 2020, 09:01:17 am
Alan, I think DM would ideally go for a 4 2 1 3 certainly with the ball, and the front 3 consisting of players who are as comfortable in the box and wide and are flexible to pop up anywhere. For example Fejiri, JJ and Tulloch.

He's had to adapt though to what's available to him, which has left Fejiri up top, but looking isolated when the midfield and or full backs don't get up as quickly as he would like. You often hear DM speak about transition, meaning the speed in which we change formation with or without the ball.

You may recall in a couple of earlier games when some commented it looked like we had 12 on the pitch. That's when it works at its best.

I'm sure we hope once we get a full compliment back, we can look forward to that again.

I also think playing twice a week, being on the edge with injuries has an effect on players trying to pace themselves through games rather than going full throttle.

If Blackpool players know there were going to be 5 subs then you can see why their pace was do high from the kick off. We didn't have the same options but hopefully we will soon.