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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: since-1969 on January 05, 2021, 09:15:07 am
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There seems to be a growing inference on the net that Ben could well leave in this transfer window and Preston are favourites. I hope it just wishful thinking on their part as his brilliant form is what is driving our promotion chances.
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Yep there’s lots of speculation around him leaving. I just hope we don’t accept a much lower fee because of how this pandemic has affected our finances. You could understand if the club did though. It’s doubtful Moore would be given any of those funds to replace him.
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The further we get in to the window the less chance he will go anywhere as the clubs said they won’t let him go that late as they need to get in a replacement and if they can’t he goes no place
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I think a lot will depend on the player as well.. We all like to think that our club is the best place to be and we would reject any bid out of hand, but reality is always different.. Ben is from that area and has said on previous occasions that he wants to play championship football.
If a offer from a championship club comes in from close to were his family are then he will probably want to take it and you cant blame him for it.
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Not really his decision though
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Not really his decision though
History should tell you that if a player has his heart set on a move it normally happens,not saying he has but we dont often stand in the way of a players wishes.
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Not really his decision though
Players have all the power now days. If we demand a move, he will get one. He doesn’t strike me as that sort of person though and Idd expect him to see the season out with us before moving on in the summer
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He's going to be a Champ player next season pretty much guaranteed anyway so I think he'd be silly to leave now when he could get a promotion as captain on his CV.
Leave in the summer surely the best option
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Not really his decision though
Players have all the power now days. If we demand a move, he will get one. He doesn’t strike me as that sort of person though and Idd expect him to see the season out with us before moving on in the summer
Not with 2 yeats left on their contract, unless the buying team are willing to meet the asking price
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We definitely needed a third thread on this subject.
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We definitely needed a third thread on this subject.
Yes,J, and seeing as there's one on here, and one in the Rumour Section, let's put the other one in Forum Issues.
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That’s the section that no one sees.
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Preston were linked with three players in this window........two of those linked have signed.....one to go :(
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Liam Hoden on Twitter:
Hoping to give a more detailed Ben Whiteman update later on but from what I understand, suggestion that talks have progressed with any club is wide of the mark. Still a major gulf between Rovers’ valuation and what clubs are suggesting their offers would be at this time #drfc
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I am sure we are savvy enough to wait till an offer comes that matches what we want otherwise what’s the point in selling.
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the more people talk about it the more it will interest him. he will want to know it is right but it willget him thinking. For me rovers need to show some intent in this window to want to get promoted.
oh there goes the tumbleweed again :-)
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Liam Hoden on Twitter:
Hoping to give a more detailed Ben Whiteman update later on but from what I understand, suggestion that talks have progressed with any club is wide of the mark. Still a major gulf between Rovers’ valuation and what clubs are suggesting their offers would be at this time #drfc
Let's face it, all the speculation is generated through click bait including using this forum as a source, so some of the stuff we read comes from silly talk on here. Makes me wonder sometimes whether the bizzy bodies on here who start the gossip are actually alerting the press which then becomes rumour.
Nothings changed from the last window, he's staying until we're told otherwise.
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the more people talk about it the more it will interest him. he will want to know it is right but it willget him thinking. For me rovers need to show some intent in this window to want to get promoted.
oh there goes the tumbleweed again :-)
The intent comes from the results and the good players we have already.
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the more people talk about it the more it will interest him. he will want to know it is right but it willget him thinking. For me rovers need to show some intent in this window to want to get promoted.
oh there goes the tumbleweed again :-)
And where do you suppose the money will come from to fund that intent, godlike?
There's already season-ticket holders rubbing their hands together at the prospect of getting some money back.
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Idk. Simply stating facts. I didn't say they had to spend money either
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Oh dear :crying:
Andy Giddings (@Gids1980):
Understand that #DRFC midfielder Ben Whiteman is close to completing a move to #PNE. The deal is expected to be finalised before the weekend.
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We better get top dollar for him
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We better get top dollar for him
A million I reckon. And that will be spread over about ten years knowing us.
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We better get top dollar for him
A million I reckon. And that will be spread over about ten years knowing us.
A million hahahahaha. Surely you're joking.
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It will be undisclosed anyway.
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Not going anywhere at the moment unless more money is on the table
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From Liam Hoden
Latest update on Ben Whiteman is that there has been no follow-up so far on the bids rejected by Rovers for their captain earlier this week #drfc #pne #qpr
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Mad that half the forum had decided he was already ready with his Preston scarf a day or two ago.
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To be fair
Radio Sheffield told everyone it was a done deal
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The sports presenters on Radio Sheffield are, in my humble opinion, inept when it comes to anything Rovers related. Seth Bennett was ok but the current crop are hopeless.
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Radio Sheffield always lean towards the other clubs in their area and have always treat us with the annoying fly on the nose syndrome.
But things have changed a little now, it seems we are the only team with anyone seen worth buying by other clubs so they have to talk about us.
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To be fair
Radio Sheffield told everyone it was a done deal
......and didn’t Hoden suggest that it was happening too.
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The media also suggested Billy Sharp had signed for Burnley - and did they not once intimate that O'Driscoll had agreed terms with them too.
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Dont believe everything you read then.
I guess that includes twitter.
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To be fair
Radio Sheffield told everyone it was a done deal
......and didn’t Hoden suggest that it was happening too.
Can't see anywhere where Hoden said it was happening. All he's said is that the bids are nowhere near the valuation
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The media also suggested Billy Sharp had signed for Burnley - and did they not once intimate that O'Driscoll had agreed terms with them too.
If I remember right it was Giddings then too
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Dont believe everything you read then.
I guess that includes twitter.
Twitter- God bless America, the leader of the land of the free used it as his main source of outlet, look how that ended, Best result him being banned. I really don't like the way social media has a real influence on peoples lives and attitudes. What is referred to as fake news whether in politics or sport is downright lies, call it what it is. Never got Twitter, Facebook etc. prefer a real discussion over a pint whenever we get back to some sort of reality.
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Roll on that day.
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Might as well stay with us and play in Europe next season after we won FA cup.
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The media also suggested Billy Sharp had signed for Burnley - and did they not once intimate that O'Driscoll had agreed terms with them too.
If I remember right it was Giddings then too
He's not a friend of our club, that's for sure. Stirred up no end of rubbish over the years.
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That's the reason hoden is trusted with certain info from the club while bbc Sheffield only get the minimum required
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Both are prone to sensationalist headlines for obvious reasons so certainly we need to be cautious with anything, particularly the source of the info.
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Apart from locality, I really don’t know why Ben would want to go there. They are an average championship club with little ambition - a team we used to more than match in our championship days.
Unless we are absolutely desperate to sell (we are led to believe we aren’t) or, he’s absolutely desperate to leave (we are led to believe he isn’t) then why go? There will be plenty of options in the summer for him, whether we go up or not and we will probably get a better fee.
Unless either of the above applies then it makes little sense, given the position we are in
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Apart from locality, I really don’t know why Ben would want to go there. They are an average championship club with little ambition - a team we used to more than match in our championship days.
Unless we are absolutely desperate to sell (we are led to believe we aren’t) or, he’s absolutely desperate to leave (we are led to believe he isn’t) then why go? There will be plenty of options in the summer for him, whether we go up or not and we will probably get a better fee.
Unless either of the above applies then it makes little sense, given the position we are in
I think you need to consider how much they are prepared to pay him as well.
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And also whether we like it or not are at least stable at a higher level with a bigger fan base.
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Apart from locality, I really don’t know why Ben would want to go there. They are an average championship club with little ambition - a team we used to more than match in our championship days.
Unless we are absolutely desperate to sell (we are led to believe we aren’t) or, he’s absolutely desperate to leave (we are led to believe he isn’t) then why go? There will be plenty of options in the summer for him, whether we go up or not and we will probably get a better fee.
Unless either of the above applies then it makes little sense, given the position we are in
I think you need to consider how much they are prepared to pay him as well.
Absolutely true, but how they’ve got several million quid to spend after a year with no income is beyond me.
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Apart from locality, I really don’t know why Ben would want to go there. They are an average championship club with little ambition - a team we used to more than match in our championship days.
Unless we are absolutely desperate to sell (we are led to believe we aren’t) or, he’s absolutely desperate to leave (we are led to believe he isn’t) then why go? There will be plenty of options in the summer for him, whether we go up or not and we will probably get a better fee.
Unless either of the above applies then it makes little sense, given the position we are in
I think you need to consider how much they are prepared to pay him as well.
Absolutely true, but how they’ve got several million quid to spend after a year with no income is beyond me.
But they're not offering several million quid, not yet anyway.
Locality and a Championship club is what's driving Ben.
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Moore has just spoke after the game and reiterate that Whiteman missed due to recovery from covid taking longer and he 'blew up' in training on Friday
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Apart from locality, I really don’t know why Ben would want to go there. They are an average championship club with little ambition - a team we used to more than match in our championship days.
Unless we are absolutely desperate to sell (we are led to believe we aren’t) or, he’s absolutely desperate to leave (we are led to believe he isn’t) then why go? There will be plenty of options in the summer for him, whether we go up or not and we will probably get a better fee.
Unless either of the above applies then it makes little sense, given the position we are in
I think you need to consider how much they are prepared to pay him as well.
Absolutely true, but how they’ve got several million quid to spend after a year with no income is beyond me.
But they're not offering several million quid, not yet anyway.
Locality and a Championship club is what's driving Ben.
Does that mean he wants to go?
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What is strange is why leave now if only Preston is on offer? We have a decent chance of going up and he would be captain of that team, with option then to stay with us in Championship or move to another Championship club when his stock is even higher. The whole Preston move looks a waste for him. I don’t expect him to stay with us long term but as we are not in a rush to sell him, it would have thought he could wait a bit for a better offer for himself than Preston.
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Plus were doing better than Preston in the cup for the 2nd time in only 2 seasons
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What is strange is why leave now if only Preston is on offer? We have a decent chance of going up and he would be captain of that team, with option then to stay with us in Championship or move to another Championship club when his stock is even higher. The whole Preston move looks a waste for him. I don’t expect him to stay with us long term but as we are not in a rush to sell him, it would have thought he could wait a bit for a better offer for himself than Preston.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
We're so early in the transfer window anything could happen, but if Ben wants to go there's only so much the club can do.
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What is strange is why leave now if only Preston is on offer? We have a decent chance of going up and he would be captain of that team, with option then to stay with us in Championship or move to another Championship club when his stock is even higher. The whole Preston move looks a waste for him. I don’t expect him to stay with us long term but as we are not in a rush to sell him, it would have thought he could wait a bit for a better offer for himself than Preston.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
We're so early in the transfer window anything could happen, but if Ben wants to go there's only so much the club can do.
And if you know/are able to say....does he want to go there?
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Maybe he is thinking that he can at least start there regularly so can showcase himself for he next step upwards. That is a sensible strategy but waste for himself if he is going there long term. They are never going to get promoted.
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What is strange is why leave now if only Preston is on offer? We have a decent chance of going up and he would be captain of that team, with option then to stay with us in Championship or move to another Championship club when his stock is even higher. The whole Preston move looks a waste for him. I don’t expect him to stay with us long term but as we are not in a rush to sell him, it would have thought he could wait a bit for a better offer for himself than Preston.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
We're so early in the transfer window anything could happen, but if Ben wants to go there's only so much the club can do.
So it sounds like he wants out going by your last 2 messages sm? If so and as with jm better to let him go than not............but only for what we want.
Disappointed if I'm honest as he could have a promotion to his name if he holds tight
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What is strange is why leave now if only Preston is on offer? We have a decent chance of going up and he would be captain of that team, with option then to stay with us in Championship or move to another Championship club when his stock is even higher. The whole Preston move looks a waste for him. I don’t expect him to stay with us long term but as we are not in a rush to sell him, it would have thought he could wait a bit for a better offer for himself than Preston.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
We're so early in the transfer window anything could happen, but if Ben wants to go there's only so much the club can do.
And if you know/are able to say....does he want to go there?
It seems he does.
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About time the club stick to its principles and simply don’t let it happen until the expected fee is agreed, if not, what’s the point of extending contracts to simply give in, if Whitman was at pboro id guarantee he wouldn’t go for a Penney less than 4 million, can’t stand them but there transfer buisness is good.
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Covid fatigue can last for days ,weeks or months !
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If he wants to go and the right offer comes in then get rid ASAP so we can get players in who want to play here, you may think it sounds harsh but no room for sentiment.
I personally don’t think Preston would be the right move for him, if he stays and even if we don’t go up say we get playoffs but lose he will still have a pick of championship clubs wanting a young centre mid that can control a game the way we know he can
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What is strange is why leave now if only Preston is on offer? We have a decent chance of going up and he would be captain of that team, with option then to stay with us in Championship or move to another Championship club when his stock is even higher. The whole Preston move looks a waste for him. I don’t expect him to stay with us long term but as we are not in a rush to sell him, it would have thought he could wait a bit for a better offer for himself than Preston.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
We're so early in the transfer window anything could happen, but if Ben wants to go there's only so much the club can do.
And if you know/are able to say....does he want to go there?
It seems he does.
Well that’s put an early end to any celebrations of today’s excellent win.
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Regardless if he wants to go or not we can still wait until they meet our valuation.
If we sell him for 1 to 1.5 million and then have to give Sheffield United some of that it would be a joke, he’s under a long contract. If he wants to go that’s fine but it has to be right for us
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Regardless if he wants to go or not we can still wait until they meet our valuation.
If we sell him for 1 to 1.5 million and then have to give Sheffield United some of that it would be a joke, he’s under a long contract. If he wants to go that’s fine but it has to be right for us
Exactly this
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Preston are not a big club.
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I actually think Preston would be a good fit for him. Would probably give him a chance to shine at the higher level as he would probably get more game time. All depends on his assessment of that, the manager etc and the right terms for him of course.
If Preston are serious and show they really want him then they'll be back, but I hope they don't play silly buggers like Barnsley.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/exclusive-ben-whiteman-missed-doncaster-rovers-win-fa-cup-protective-measure-after-having-head-turned-championship-bids-3090942
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Preston are not a big club.
No, but they're a Championship club, which is what he wants, and he lives close to that area.
My big concern is finding a suitable replacement. We've never done it with Marquis, and I doubt that we'll do it with Sims, whose prolific form helped us to get to where we are in the league.
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I actually think Preston would be a good fit for him. Would probably give him a chance to shine at the higher level as he would probably get more game time. All depends on his assessment of that, the manager etc and the right terms for him of course.
If Preston are serious and show they really want him then they'll be back, but I hope they don't play silly buggers like Barnsley.
As soon as you accepted a bid 4 or 5 other clubs will match it.
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Preston are not a big club.
No, but they're a Championship club, which is what he wants, and he lives close to that area.
My big concern is finding a suitable replacement. We've never done it with Marquis, and I doubt that we'll do it with Sims, whose prolific form helped us to get to where we are in the league.
I said this earlier in this thread but what sort of club do we expect would be looking at Whiteman? He’s been great for us but he’s 24 and completely untested at any level above League One. Last season, Preston finished 9th (4 points off the playoffs), and this season are sitting in 11th (5 points off). They always seem to be there or thereabouts so I’m not sure how anyone can say it’s not a decent step up.
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Very strange that DM would come out and say he was out because of recovery while the DFP Liam Holden saying it’s for protection because he is gone. Why would DM lie, we all know Bens good enough and may move on, but why lie to the fans if that’s correct, don’t make sense
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I’m quite disappointed he wants to go now.
I can’t understand why not try and get a promotion on your CV, we are in an unbelievable position.
If he captains us to promotion he will have better clubs than Preston after him surely.
He’s the best player in the league in his position, I hope we don’t buckle from what he’s worth trying to play the “nice club” role cos I’m sure as hell that come the end of the season he won’t be thinking about us and how nice we were to let him go, we need to look after ourselves.
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Preston are a very average club. Their gate in the Championship is 13-14k, which is not much more if at all than we could expect in the Championship. Yes, punching above their weight etc, but they are a very average club at that level that are never going to get promoted.
If he wants to use them as a platform to get game time and visibility then fine, but let’s not kid ourselves they are a credible promotion candidate.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/exclusive-ben-whiteman-missed-doncaster-rovers-win-fa-cup-protective-measure-after-having-head-turned-championship-bids-3090942
The Rovers performance today should illustrate a lot to Ben about his team mates and their willingness not to let his absence effect the game and about the club that had given him this opportunity to be admired by other clubs . But for him not to focus on his present circumstances and responsibilities particularly as club captain says more about how selfish it how unprofessional it looks by not being available or to put aside this enquiry and wait for things to fall into place where Ben can leave on good terms all round for himself and DRFC.
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I really don't mind him leaving and I don't mind him going to Preston, like it or not they are a solid Championship side and he'll play every week there, but the fact Darren Moore essentially lied in his post-match presser about it is really disappointing.
There's just no need for it and will only serve to piss fans off and increase the doubters in future.
Get him sold sooner rather than later so we can sort a proper replacement out in this window. Don't let it drag on and on.
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I really don't mind him leaving and I don't mind him going to Preston, like it or not they are a solid Championship side and he'll play every week there, but the fact Darren Moore essentially lied in his post-match presser about it is really disappointing.
There's just no need for it and will only serve to piss fans off and increase the doubters in future.
Get him sold sooner rather than later so we can sort a proper replacement out in this window. Don't let it drag on and on.
Agree. It's sad we've been lied to.
I hope we bring someone in permanently as another load as a replacement wouldn't do with the current number of loanees we have.
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Reading the report from the free press the 9th paragraph suggests he is going nowhere
“It remains to be seen whether an agreement can be reached in the next few days that will satisfy all parties but it appears increasingly likely that Whiteman will remain a Rovers player beyond the end of this month.”
Unless there is a typo in the report
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Before everyone starts saying we have been lied to, it is a story attributed to “a source”. It is not public confirmation. It could well be someone at the club, or it could be his agent getting message out that Whiteman is not a COVID cripple but actually fit and clear for transfer, and indeed wants to be transferred. “Lied to” is a bit strong.
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We can speculate all we want. I don't see the benefit of DFP stirring the pot, even if true, other than gaining readership. There could be an element of both of course and if DM didn't think he was fit enough for the game. I don't think it's fair to assume he's flatly refused to play.
It doesn't matter what we think of Preston or any other suitor for that matter. That's for him to make the choice but I would imagine he has more chance to being a bigger fish at Preston.
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Strange SM posted it seems he wants to go around the same time as the Free Press story, it would appear something has been communicated or leaked from the club
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You see that's the other problem. If people meddle in these things and take these things as read, then they could be going on his Twitter account and giving him abuse.
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We need to get as much money as possible to reinvest in renewing contracts and buying a couple of players and hopefully we can get it done asap
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No player should sign a lengthy contract if they are not prepared to see that contract out. When it comes to renewing contracts the player wants a long contract for security, it works both ways, two and a half years left on a contract means he goes nowhere until the club are satisfied with the fee and terms!
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I was hounded for saying its written all over him that he wants to leave. Its obvious. Will also be hounded for saying he is replaceable too, because he absolutely is. If somebody said we lose Whiteman and the funds will get us Sims with cash to spare I am sure there would be many of us happy to drive young Benjamin to Preston whether he wanted to go or not. Unlikely to happen but Im just highlighting the fact that when he goes it wont end our season providing we spend the money wisely.
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I can’t see Moore being given much of what ever transfer fee we receive. Crowds won’t be returning until next season so I can only see this money being used to keep the club going... more than likely end up with a young lad on loan from a Prem club to replace him
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No player should sign a lengthy contract if they are not prepared to see that contract out. When it comes to renewing contracts the player wants a long contract for security, it works both ways, two and a half years left on a contract means he goes nowhere until the club are satisfied with the fee and terms!
Filo,
He extended his contract as a favour to the club so that we can demand a better fee when he does inevitably go at some stage.
He could have turned down a new contract extension and the shorter period left would drive his price down and let him negotiate a better package for himself based on a reduced fee.
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I think what probably makes it so hard to take right now is we're in the middle of a promotion campaign and could very realistically possibly win the league, with him as captain. At least Marquis waited until the summer (albeit late on) before he decided he wanted out.
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I don't believe Darren Moore tells lies.
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No player should sign a lengthy contract if they are not prepared to see that contract out. When it comes to renewing contracts the player wants a long contract for security, it works both ways, two and a half years left on a contract means he goes nowhere until the club are satisfied with the fee and terms!
Filo,
He extended his contract as a favour to the club so that we can demand a better fee when he does inevitably go at some stage.
He could have turned down a new contract extension and the shorter period left would drive his price down and let him negotiate a better package for himself based on a reduced fee.
Why if you know that teams will want your services agree to sign as a “Favour” . Ben is a quality player but if he’s adamant he wants to leave now .. what did his favour earned him !
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Earned us more money still didn’t it
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Players move on, always have, always will. Remember football is job, who wouldn’t move jobs for more money and less travelling, 90% of people on here I bet
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The contract makes him less attractive to other clubs as they know we have a stronger negotiating hand. He would have signed that with some informal or formal agreement that he could leave if a specific price was met or something softer like a sensible bid. He knows his worth and would surely have signed that with an escape route attached.
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Players move on, always have, always will. Remember football is job, who wouldn’t move jobs for more money and less travelling, 90% of people on here I bet
That’s not really the argument though, the argument is letting him go on the cheap just because he wants to leave
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I was hounded for saying its written all over him that he wants to leave. Its obvious. Will also be hounded for saying he is replaceable too, because he absolutely is. If somebody said we lose Whiteman and the funds will get us Sims with cash to spare I am sure there would be many of us happy to drive young Benjamin to Preston whether he wanted to go or not. Unlikely to happen but Im just highlighting the fact that when he goes it wont end our season providing we spend the money wisely.
I disagree. If Ben leaves, that would mean that, along with Sims, we'd be losing our 2 most productive players.
Unless we can replace them like for like, and I doubt that we can, our promotion push would be seriously hampered IMO.
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I don’t believe Darren Moore tells lies either. Some of our supporters need to get a grip. Nobody on here (apart possibly from SM) knows whether BW is going or not. Let’s all just wait and see what happens, before people start getting the knives out. We won today without
him.
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Not so fussed about DM saying it was covid, did anyone really believe that? Not playing him was the right thing to do and your hardly going to admit directly it's because of transfer reasons but we've seen it enough times to know what the situation is. If Ben is actively refusing to play that's another problem i'm hoping the club were expecting the valuation to be met imminently and didn't want to risk losing
More important we get the cash for him now and get replacements in. I struggle to see how Preston can match our valuation though unless it's split over a long period.
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We should go for Morley (Rochdale), Kasumu (MK) or Wintle (Crewe) as a replacement.
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I was hounded for saying its written all over him that he wants to leave. Its obvious. Will also be hounded for saying he is replaceable too, because he absolutely is. If somebody said we lose Whiteman and the funds will get us Sims with cash to spare I am sure there would be many of us happy to drive young Benjamin to Preston whether he wanted to go or not. Unlikely to happen but Im just highlighting the fact that when he goes it wont end our season providing we spend the money wisely.
I disagree. If Ben leaves, that would mean that, along with Sims, we'd be losing our 2 most productive players.
Unless we can replace them like for like, and I doubt that we can, our promotion push would be seriously hampered IMO.
I think it would be a bit daft of us to think the club dont have targets in place for when this happens Scawsby. I would be majorly disappointed if we lost him and we signed a kid on loan. If that happened I would then have to agree with you.
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I think we will sign a couple of young very good players from wolves, West Brom, villa
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I think what probably makes it so hard to take right now is we're in the middle of a promotion campaign and could very realistically possibly win the league, with him as captain. At least Marquis waited until the summer (albeit late on) before he decided he wanted out.
Ben is brilliant but we shouldn’t be naive enough to think he hasnt wanted to move to the Chanpionship for probably over a year.
If Hull had the money required he would have gone last summer, the same this year if the bids matched what we wanted.
And for those complaining about the manager trying to protect The player by coming up with a believable reasons to leave him out - you only have to look at this thread to see they made the right decision! The club are trying to conduct their business in private as it should be done.
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I think we will sign a couple of young very good players from wolves, West Brom, villa
On loan or permanent? Getting loans won't really help our squad atm we're already up to the 5nr allowed to play.
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On loan,
It’s not what we should be doing but with no fans or revenue I can’t see the club spending good money on a replacement
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On loan,
It’s not what we should be doing but with no fans or revenue I can’t see the club spending good money on a replacement
You can't blame the club for that at the moment and i suppose with so many games we can drop a few loanees out of the squad and rotate them easy enough. Just doesn't sit right with me to have so many but desperate times and all.
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Ah well, it seems like Giddings was in the know then and not just making mischief.
When Moore says that Ben “blew up,” that could be taken in more than one way too.
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Ah well, it seems like Giddings was in the know then and not just making mischief.
When Moore says that Ben “blew up,” that could be taken in more than one way too.
Giddings wasn't in the 'know' at all.
He doesn't speak to the club, and he did say he would be gone by the weekend, which didn't, and hasn't happened.
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Ah well, it seems like Giddings was in the know then and not just making mischief.
When Moore says that Ben “blew up,” that could be taken in more than one way too.
Giddings wasn't in the 'know' at all.
He doesn't speak to the club, and he did say he would be gone by the weekend, which didn't, and hasn't happened.
Giddings is full of shite,
Posts things just to get people clicking on them
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Ah well, it seems like Giddings was in the know then and not just making mischief.
When Moore says that Ben “blew up,” that could be taken in more than one way too.
Giddings wasn't in the 'know' at all.
He doesn't speak to the club, and he did say he would be gone by the weekend, which didn't, and hasn't happened.
Maybe he doesn’t speak to the club but he could have got his information from someone who does.
After all, he apparently isn’t too wide of the mark is he.
I agree that he spouts off some crap but in this case he must have got the news from somewhere because no one on here had mentioned Ben possibly going to Preston before Giddings made his announcement.
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But let me try and add some sense to what's been said about Ben and the club today.
First of all let me make it clear that the club have a duty to a player like Ben. If the club can protect him from some sections of the media then they will do so.
He has had his turned, Preston have done that, and possibly his agent too, but the bids for him have been rejected, so he's still our player. There is an onus on our club to negotiate the best fee possible, which they are trying to do. Stating that he'd had his head turned would not have been an ideal response to him not being in the squad today if the club wanted a strong hand in the negotiations.
The club haven't lied either. It was the 'Manchester bubble' that caused the Covid issue within the club, and Ben was part of that bubble.
We have to negotiate the best fee possible, otherwise he stays as our player.
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
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Ah well, it seems like Giddings was in the know then and not just making mischief.
When Moore says that Ben “blew up,” that could be taken in more than one way too.
Giddings wasn't in the 'know' at all.
He doesn't speak to the club, and he did say he would be gone by the weekend, which didn't, and hasn't happened.
Maybe he doesn’t speak to the club but he could have got his information from someone who does.
After all, he apparently isn’t too wide of the mark is he.
I agree that he spout off some crap but 8n this case he must have got the news from somewhere because no one on here had mentioned Ben possibly going to Preston before Giddings made his announcement.
Seriously?
He was well wide of the mark, the 'rumour mil' had Ben and Preston connected ages ago.
What Giddings said was he would be gone by the weekend. How did that work out?
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
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It might be difficult to replace Ben if he goes, like for like, but it may be more a case of evolution.
As said, it's likely DM will have considered this eventuality and has targets in mind. He will also be acutely aware of the balance he has of loans v permanent and what impact that can have on the team.
Either way, I have every confidence in DM to do what he can to give us every chance of achieving promotion, given last seasons unfortunate ending too.
We shouldn't get too hung up whether he opts to go down a loan route as it could be a potential loan to permanent in the summer if a permanent is out of the question now, as long as he gets who he thinks can help fill the void. He may even look to convert one or two current loans during this window which might redress the balance.
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Ah well, it seems like Giddings was in the know then and not just making mischief.
When Moore says that Ben “blew up,” that could be taken in more than one way too.
Giddings wasn't in the 'know' at all.
He doesn't speak to the club, and he did say he would be gone by the weekend, which didn't, and hasn't happened.
Maybe he doesn’t speak to the club but he could have got his information from someone who does.
After all, he apparently isn’t too wide of the mark is he.
I agree that he spout off some crap but 8n this case he must have got the news from somewhere because no one on here had mentioned Ben possibly going to Preston before Giddings made his announcement.
Seriously?
He was well wide of the mark, the 'rumour mil' had Ben and Preston connected ages ago.
What Giddings said was he would be gone by the weekend. How did that work out?
I hadn’t read anything connecting Ben and PNE in the rumour mill before this latest situation.
Anyway, it turns out that there is truth in the rumour doesn’t it.
I will be sad to see him go (if he does) and I really hope that the club holds out for a proper valuation with the transfer fee.
Ben should be professional enough to continue to give his best if he has to stay with us.
He was happy to sign his current deal.
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I understand his head might have been turned, but he signed (I think) a 3 year contract extension just over a year ago... surely he knew then that the whole point of that, from the club’s perspective, was to make sure they could get a good fee for him when the time comes for him to move on?
If he’s not training or playing, or isn’t happy with the club in some way for holding firm on their valuation, I’m not sure why. He must have been expecting that since he extended his contract surely.
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.
I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though.
We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.
If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forced
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Let's hope he's smart enough to get his head around this.
From his point of view I would guess, taking everything into account, he probably thought he might be a championship player by now, either with us, or somewhere else. Last season closed that opportunity for him so he's probably keen to make that move sooner rather than later. We shouldn't blame him for that and I'm sure he would go with our blessing provided we're not short changed.
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That is how I feel about the situation DBR.
We have to stick out for valuation though.
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Filo is right. Imo the boy owes us nothing, good luck to him, he gets a bettor contract ie more money and we get a decent fee that hopefully takes us into next season
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.
I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though.
We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.
If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forced
Seem to recall Lyle Taylor refusing to play for Charlton at one point, seemingly throwing his teddies out of the pram but, if I remember rightly, he eventually relented and played again. Still got his move to Forest in the end.
If would like to think DM is experienced enough to understand and handle him. the longer this goes on.
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That is how I feel about the situation DBR.
We have to stick out for valuation though.
There's always room for manoeuvre though on either side, depending how deals can be structured, and the likliehood is, we will never know the detail.
We either trust the club will do the best it can or we don't.
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If he puts a transfer request in writing he gives up his 5% of the fee, and don't pay the agent who is causing the problem so he gets a payment in a bad year. plus we want a hefty sell on clause .
and cash up front or at least the majority of it.
Staged payments from a championship club possibly living beyond their means in this environment is dodgy to say the least. we should be asking Preston or any club for verification of funds before entering into any transfer negotiations.
A lot of clubs who have been claiming poverty in the Championship have either been telling porkies trying to milk the situation, or are now willing to start going down the road of spending money they don't have again.
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I think if you are of a certain age you will be scarred by the amount of times we were ripped off in the past Mark Rankine, Rufus Brevitt, Brian Deane, both Snods are names that come to mind where we should have got a lot more for them
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.
I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though.
We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.
If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forced
Seem to recall Lyle Taylor refusing to play for Charlton at one point, seemingly throwing his teddies out of the pram but, if I remember rightly, he eventually relented and played again. Still got his move to Forest in the end.
If would like to think DM is experienced enough to understand and handle him. the longer this goes on.
That was a different scenario altogether though, his contract at ended but the season got extended and he refused to play on for them after his contract had ended.
His move to forest was already lined up so he didn’t want to jeopardise that
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.
I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though.
We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.
If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forced
Seem to recall Lyle Taylor refusing to play for Charlton at one point, seemingly throwing his teddies out of the pram but, if I remember rightly, he eventually relented and played again. Still got his move to Forest in the end.
If would like to think DM is experienced enough to understand and handle him. the longer this goes on.
That was a different scenario altogether though, his contract at ended but the season got extended and he refused to play on for them after his contract had ended.
His move to forest was already lined up so he didn’t want to jeopardise that
Yes, you're right. He did play again though I think but it got a bit messy between him, manager, fans etc for a while.
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
But in the current climate it's reasonable that valuations go down because of lack of income and the need to survive as a club. What last season was worth 3m is now maybe 1-1.5m. I'd assume the same goes for wages surely Preston can't be offering much more than he's on now?
If your a player whose out of contract in the summer you might have to expect a pay cut in the lower leagues because clubs can't be in a good place right now. Hopefully that means any money we get goes further anyway with lower valuations... wishful thinking maybe
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Don’t forget the players deffered some of their wages, we’ll need to pay that back to him
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
No, its not the club.
Despite what everybody thinks of Bens ability he's not attracting offers from multitudes of clubs. His view is that he's not getting any younger and he wants Championship football sooner rather than later. The club are just being realistic of current market conditions, plus the club have always been faithful to their word and have communicated to him faithfully and openly.
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They either meet our valuation or no deal. We are in the driving seat. He is our player for the next 2.5 years.
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They either meet our valuation or no deal. We are in the driving seat. He is our player for the next 2.5 years.
I wish it was that simple.
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Don’t forget the players deffered some of their wages, we’ll need to pay that back to him
just because we are in the middle of pandemic does not mean the value of assets goes down , people pray when cash flow is short and look at taking advantage, To make a quick buck
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If he’s under contract I don’t see why it’s not that simple.
Unless we are absolutely desperate for some money, stand firm and let him go at the end of the season.
We’re in a superb position, he could be a championship player with us.
Very likely he’s been tapped up with a big pay rise and he’s using “wants to be a championship player sooner rather than later” as an excuse. Half a year is nothing to wait
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If he’s under contract I don’t see why it’s not that simple.
Unless we are absolutely desperate for some money, stand firm and let him go at the end of the season.
We’re in a superb position, he could be a championship player with us.
Very likely he’s been tapped up with a big pay rise and he’s using “wants to be a championship player sooner rather than later” as an excuse. Half a year is nothing to wait
...and he’s only 24. He’s probably not going to peak for another 3-5 years.
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like SM said his head has been turned , by his agent or been tapped up , But when a player wants to leave all the selling club can do is get the best price possible
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
No, its not the club.
Despite what everybody thinks of Bens ability he's not attracting offers from multitudes of clubs. His view is that he's not getting any younger and he wants Championship football sooner rather than later. The club are just being realistic of current market conditions, plus the club have always been faithful to their word and have communicated to him faithfully and openly.
So basically we’re going to let him go cheap.... great idea
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What the whole whiteman scenario does show though is that if the board do invest in good young players then in a few years they will make money.
If we paid 250k now for someone like sims it would be a similar scenario in 2/3 seasons.
Our current model does cause some concern as we’re not really investing in purchasing players for fees similar to what we paid for ben
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
No, its not the club.
Despite what everybody thinks of Bens ability he's not attracting offers from multitudes of clubs. His view is that he's not getting any younger and he wants Championship football sooner rather than later. The club are just being realistic of current market conditions, plus the club have always been faithful to their word and have communicated to him faithfully and openly.
So basically we’re going to let him go cheap.... great idea
So how would you negotiate then?
For example, let's say he has a clause, or a gentleman's agreement, that £1.5m triggers his ability to speak to other clubs. I have no clue whether he has such an agreement btw.
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What the whole whiteman scenario does show though is that if the board do invest in good young players then in a few years they will make money.
If we paid 250k now for someone like sims it would be a similar scenario in 2/3 seasons.
Our current model does cause some concern as we’re not really investing in purchasing players for fees similar to what we paid for ben
Got to agree with this seems to have been a shift to loan signings been the main strategy, rather than using them to adding the bells & whistles to the squad, since Ferguson left.
Probably haven't much choice right now with the finances but this shift started before covid
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Just do what Dortmund did with Sancho to Man Utd. Pay this much by X date or goodbye. You know what will happen, someone will meet our 750k valuation on deadline day and we won't have enough time to sign a 16 year old on loan to replace him.
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John Marquis 2018-2019 season
Scored 20 goals before the end of the January transfer window, when there was loads of speculation about a move that never happened.
From mid-January to the end of the season - 6 goals.
Why on earth would you want to keep a player who doesn't particuarly want to play for you and isn't contributing to the team?
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Because otherwise you sell a player for much less than his valuation
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What the whole whiteman scenario does show though is that if the board do invest in good young players then in a few years they will make money.
If we paid 250k now for someone like sims it would be a similar scenario in 2/3 seasons.
Our current model does cause some concern as we’re not really investing in purchasing players for fees similar to what we paid for ben
I think for that to happen, you need to have developed a relationship, understanding and trust in a manager over a longer period of time. We've not had that for a while.
We allow the manager to recruit as he sees fit and if, like DM, feels like he can get better quality from loans etc., then so be it. Whether that changes over time, it could very well work. But, I wouldn't expect the owners to start increasing the amount they put in to give a manager bigger pot to risk. That would have to come from income generated.
However, as you know, there are always risks attached, which includes managers leaving, which puts you back to square one unless you have a director of football which some managers don't like.
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On the same token though if you’re not giving money to the manager to get a better quality of player he’s less likely to stick around.
We’ve had opportunities with players like Wilks, Kane, If we’d splashed out on them we would have made money in the future, not guaranteed of Course.
Whiteman was a pretty safe bet as was the one with sharp but we’ve not really gone with any other save bets
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What the whole whiteman scenario does show though is that if the board do invest in good young players then in a few years they will make money.
If we paid 250k now for someone like sims it would be a similar scenario in 2/3 seasons.
Our current model does cause some concern as we’re not really investing in purchasing players for fees similar to what we paid for ben
I think for that to happen, you need to have developed a relationship, understanding and trust in a manager over a longer period of time. We've not had that for a while.
We allow the manager to recruit as he sees fit and if, like DM, feels like he can get better quality from loans etc., then so be it. Whether that changes over time, it could very well work. But, I wouldn't expect the owners to start increasing the amount they put in to give a manager bigger pot to risk. That would have to come from income generated.
However, as you know, there are always risks attached, which includes managers leaving, which puts you back to square one unless you have a director of football which some managers don't like.
Transfers shouldn't be the managers responsibility this was a big topic after DF and GM both left us in a summer transfer window with little time. Of course the manager should have some say but the principal of signing certain types of players should run deeper than the manager position which is far too likely to change.
Lot's of clubs are run this way now it and for the most part they seem to get it right
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There are also lots of clubs who get it wrong and spend more than they can afford.
The Owners won't be upping their budget and let's not forget that things are changing with FFP anyway with tighter constraints.
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There’s one thing for sure, DBR, if the Board don’t support the manager on the field, we’ll be looking for (yet another) manager. First of all I hope Ben stays and sees the season out with us, as we could well be in the Championship next season with our skipper at the helm.
If he has to go, because someone pays what we want, then we need a quality player in before the window slams shut. Not some young loanee, with potential, but a strong lad who knows what’s required. In fact, we probably could get two in for the price of Ben, and I think we would probably need 2, given the sheer volume of fixtures.
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There are also lots of clubs who get it wrong and spend more than they can afford.
The Owners won't be upping their budget and let's not forget that things are changing with FFP anyway with tighter constraints.
Thats different to what i'm saying but i agree and we shouldn't be upping budgets in the current climate as such as we'd like to go for it.
I'm saying if each manager has a completely different style then we'll need to recruit a new squad every other year if they are in charge of recruitment. Really we (the board) should set what they of club we are (play nice football, sign promising players & loans etc) and employ managers to fit that rather than shape the club to fit the manager only for them to leave after a season.
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Chicken and egg situation really and there's no particular right or wrong.
We tend to give managers autonomy within the budget. If extra income comes in then great, although sometimes there are exceptional circumstances where if the manager can convince the board of a player, such as Ben for instance, they may support that but generally, they're expected to manage with what they've got, and they know that from the start.
It's unrealistic to expect the board to move away from that anytime soon.
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I agree it’s unrealistic
I don’t however think it’s unrealistic for the board to get a very good replacement bought with the funds we get for whiteman.
We were all disappointed that we never replaced Marquis properly
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They either meet our valuation or no deal. We are in the driving seat. He is our player for the next 2.5 years.
I wish it was that simple.
Why is it not that simple? He’s contracted to us. If another wants to secure his services now, then we put a valuation on him and if they don’t want to pay that, they don’t secure his services. Whiteman doesn’t strike me as the kind of player who would pout and refuse to play or whatever. He loves his football and he’s Captain and he’s adored here. I doubt he would want to be seen as a villain...
If he has had his head turned, fine. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s contracted to Doncaster Rovers Football Club and, as probably the best in the league in his position, he commands a premium. Minimum $3m up to $5m. People who say that’s not realistic in this economy - b*llocks to that. Preston have money through their owner. Pay up.
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If he goes, he goes.. This is football and they have a short career. Good luck to him.
A true professional who deserves his move, just Hope's it goes further that then championship.
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I agree it’s unrealistic
I don’t however think it’s unrealistic for the board to get a very good replacement bought with the funds we get for whiteman.
We were all disappointed that we never replaced Marquis properly
I don't really get this thing with Marquis to be honest. Yeah it's nice to have a lad who spunks out goals in his sleep, but we've had goals coming from all over the team since he left.
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What’s not to get?
It’s nothing to do with the goals,
He was our main striker and we sold him for a lot of money but then we never used got anyone in of the same calibre.
If we keep selling our best players and not replacing them with players of the same calibre then we’re going to struggle.
Other clubs do it
Brentford sold Watkins and bought Toney
Peterboro sold Toney and bought clarke-Harris
Most clubs who sell their best player for a lot of money would re invest that money in a replacement
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Anyone on here who calls DM a liar should be impeached for incitement to riot .
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An asset like Ben only devalues if the club needs the money to survive and can take a 50% Covid discount .With house prices around London still increasing and the stock markets rising fast it is clear that if you can survive the short term decrease in cash flow the essential assets on the. balance sheet do not need to be discounted .
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What’s not to get?
It’s nothing to do with the goals,
He was our main striker and we sold him for a lot of money but then we never used got anyone in of the same calibre.
If we keep selling our best players and not replacing them with players of the same calibre then we’re going to struggle.
Other clubs do it
Brentford sold Watkins and bought Toney
Peterboro sold Toney and bought clarke-Harris
Most clubs who sell their best player for a lot of money would re invest that money in a replacement
What's to say Moore doesn't just prefer to make the type of signings he's making? If he knows an academy kid is good but probably out of his price range to buy permanently, what's the harm in getting them on loan before spunking money on them and seeing if they fit in. Did no harm with Cameron John, did it?
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Anyone on here who calls DM a liar should be impeached for incitement to riot .
What a bizarre post.
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Ben will be replaced quite easily, with DM capable of all kinds of formulae to play with,
we don’t necessarily need a like for like player....we evolve again!
Too many on here stuck in the narrows....
We got a manager that carries out his experiments in full view without anaesthetic and seems miraculously to succeed more often than not...
I’d take Ben to whichever championship club he desired and give any fees to DM as a bonus for working miracles...
More of the same please! Rtid
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Having slept on this, Iv got another theory.
Ben only signed his contract with an agreement that he could go for a figure less than he’s worth, but more than we would have got had he not signed.
Maybe that also explains SM comment it’s not that simple
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What’s not to get?
It’s nothing to do with the goals,
He was our main striker and we sold him for a lot of money but then we never used got anyone in of the same calibre.
If we keep selling our best players and not replacing them with players of the same calibre then we’re going to struggle.
Other clubs do it
Brentford sold Watkins and bought Toney
Peterboro sold Toney and bought clarke-Harris
Most clubs who sell their best player for a lot of money would re invest that money in a replacement
What's to say Moore doesn't just prefer to make the type of signings he's making? If he knows an academy kid is good but probably out of his price range to buy permanently, what's the harm in getting them on loan before spunking money on them and seeing if they fit in. Did no harm with Cameron John, did it?
Or Whiteman himself.
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With all their business or financial knowledge we must have the most multi millionaires on any football forum
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What’s not to get?
It’s nothing to do with the goals,
He was our main striker and we sold him for a lot of money but then we never used got anyone in of the same calibre.
If we keep selling our best players and not replacing them with players of the same calibre then we’re going to struggle.
Other clubs do it
Brentford sold Watkins and bought Toney
Peterboro sold Toney and bought clarke-Harris
Most clubs who sell their best player for a lot of money would re invest that money in a replacement
That's all fine and dandy but DM will identify his priorities including players in other positions, it's not for us to determine what his priorities are and insist he blows all the money on one replacement player.
As suggested, it's been seen we are just as effective going forward and scoring goals without Marquis.
The very same may happen if Whiteman leaves. For example, if the funds were there to a) firm up one of the current loans to a permanent and b) acquire a further specialist midfield player, you can't bemoan DM making that choice if he feels the sum of the parts will be just as effective.
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There are also lots of clubs who get it wrong and spend more than they can afford.
The Owners won't be upping their budget and let's not forget that things are changing with FFP anyway with tighter constraints.
Thats different to what i'm saying but i agree and we shouldn't be upping budgets in the current climate as such as we'd like to go for it.
I'm saying if each manager has a completely different style then we'll need to recruit a new squad every other year if they are in charge of recruitment. Really we (the board) should set what they of club we are (play nice football, sign promising players & loans etc) and employ managers to fit that rather than shape the club to fit the manager only for them to leave after a season.
Isn't that what the board have done in recent years? The criteria for manager applications has been based on the style of play, focus on younger players, and attract better quality loan signings. And each time we've gone better, DF to GMc to DM.
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Good post DBR but I can’t help thinking this is the wrong time for Ben and for us. We all know he wants and deserves a rise up the football ladder, but the disruption it could create could be very harmful to any hopes we have of promotion.
We should be doing all we can to hang onto Ben until the summer and then he can choose what’s best for him - stay with us in the Championship or try elsewhere!
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Good post DBR but I can’t help thinking this is the wrong time for Ben and for us. We all know he wants and deserves a rise up the football ladder, but the disruption it could create could be very harmful to any hopes we have of promotion.
We should be doing all we can to hang onto Ben until the summer and then he can choose what’s best for him - stay with us in the Championship or try elsewhere!
But that's exactly what we're trying to do though Alan. It doesn't mean we'll be successful, that's down to the player not us.
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What’s not to get?
It’s nothing to do with the goals,
He was our main striker and we sold him for a lot of money but then we never used got anyone in of the same calibre.
If we keep selling our best players and not replacing them with players of the same calibre then we’re going to struggle.
Other clubs do it
Brentford sold Watkins and bought Toney
Peterboro sold Toney and bought clarke-Harris
Most clubs who sell their best player for a lot of money would re invest that money in a replacement
That's all fine and dandy but DM will identify his priorities including players in other positions, it's not for us to determine what his priorities are and insist he blows all the money on one replacement player.
As suggested, it's been seen we are just as effective going forward and scoring goals without Marquis.
The very same may happen if Whiteman leaves. For example, if the funds were there to a) firm up one of the current loans to a permanent and b) acquire a further specialist midfield player, you can't bemoan DM making that choice if he feels the sum of the parts will be just as effective.
I’m not bemoaning anything
Although Moore did come out after Marquis left and said his priority was to replace Marquis with an established striker with a record as good as his.
So I do believe that’s what his first preference was but when this wasn’t possible he had to change tact.
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Just read through 6 pages of this and I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s off. If he’s still here on February 1st then I will be extremely surprised. Massive shame given the position we are in.
The bigger shame is that we might lose our biggest asset for less than he’s clearly worth in normal times. It’s worrying to hear that “the supporters will be disappointed”. Given the sell on fee reportedly owed to SUFC then I fear we aren’t going to end up with much at all.
That’s the sad part.
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Memo: All.
We continue to be reliant on our owner for £1.5-2m a season in normal times. God knows what the balance sheet looks like now.
Also reminder that the Preston North End all time transfer record is £2m. They are not going to be breaking that to sign Whiteman in the middle of a pandemic.
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But that's exactly what we're trying to do though Alan. It doesn't mean we'll be successful, that's down to the player not us.
It can’t possibly be solely down to the player as we now know the Club have rejected 2 bids “because they didn’t meet our valuation”.
I can appreciate a player (and/or his agent) can make it awkward for us, but the fact is Ben still has 2.5 years on his contract and we’ve gone on record saying we don’t need to sell.
Fair enough, if the interested chasers increase their offer and Ben has a desire to leave, then it’s to be hoped we have a very good replacement lined up. Even then, I still think the disruption could cost us, both football-wise and financial-wise. It’s a juggling act, all right, but I’m sure it’s not beyond Gavin and his negotiating team.
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I reckon 1.5 million gets him
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That feels about right. £1-1.5m.
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That feels about right. £1-1.5m.
We could still get £1m-£1.5m for him in the summer with 2 years left on his contract. If that’s the offer we’re better off keeping him and hoping he’s professional enough to knuckle down and get on with it until then. And if he’s not, stick him on the bench and we’ll still be able to cash in 6 months down the line.
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There is never a good time to leave but one of the better times for a good player is when maximum value can be achieved - I suspect given all the circumstances that time is now. From the players perspective geography is important which perhaps explains why Hull and QPR were not much incentive. Barnsley is closer to the North West but if their offer was derisory that could explain why there was no movement. From what has been said Ben wants the move to Preston and I am sure he wlll feel some responsibility to get the price right - perhaps that has been discussed and agreed with Ben?
From the club's perspective we move on if it seems likely Ben will leave. This is a positive as it opens the door to make progress. In this business Rovers are nowhere near the top of the pyramid but our trajectory is upwards and as fans that has to be a cause for celebration. We have a capable manager who enjoys a lot of respect in the game and I for one am looking forward to the next stage in the clubs development. You can't stand still too long in this game and it is important to keep moving - this means continuous development (and improvement). The Tyke kid who contributes to this board talks a lot of sense.
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I doubt £1.5m will be enough. The club will value him higher than that.
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I reckon 1.5 million gets him
I’m sure I read somewhere that Sheff Utd had a 30% sell on, thats £450k go e straight away, add into that deffered wages and agent fees, that will probablytake it below £1m, and then theres the probability of installments, it will do nothing for our immediate cash flow
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That’s massively under valuing him,
Preston themselves spent 2 million last season on a league one central midfielder who has had nothing of a career compared to ben.
How we can think 500k-1 million less for ben than Baylis is ok is baffling
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We would struggle to replace him if we only got a million, as most of that would go to running costs of the club during covid. We all know he's worth more than that. Replacing him with a loanee isn't the right move as we'd have more loanees than the limit.
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According to an article in the Athletic about Forests transfer plans.
"Forest have also been scouting Doncaster midfielder Ben Whiteman, 24, who is the subject of strong interest from several other Championship clubs, including Derby County and Barnsley. Preston and QPR have both already had bids turned down for the player, with Preston expected to renew their efforts to sign him."
The more teams we can get interested potentially the better price we could get?
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That’s massively under valuing him,
Preston themselves spent 2 million last season on a league one central midfielder who has had nothing of a career compared to ben.
How we can think 500k-1 million less for ben than Baylis is ok is baffling
You keep saying 'we'.
It's not us, it's what others are prepared to pay.
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There is never a good time to leave but one of the better times for a good player is when maximum value can be achieved - I suspect given all the circumstances that time is now. From the players perspective geography is important which perhaps explains why Hull and QPR were not much incentive. Barnsley is closer to the North West but if their offer was derisory that could explain why there was no movement. From what has been said Ben wants the move to Preston and I am sure he wlll feel some responsibility to get the price right - perhaps that has been discussed and agreed with Ben?
From the club's perspective we move on if it seems likely Ben will leave. This is a positive as it opens the door to make progress. In this business Rovers are nowhere near the top of the pyramid but our trajectory is upwards and as fans that has to be a cause for celebration. We have a capable manager who enjoys a lot of respect in the game and I for one am looking forward to the next stage in the clubs development. You can't stand still too long in this game and it is important to keep moving - this means continuous development (and improvement). The Tyke kid who contributes to this board talks a lot of sense.
Agree with this. Who's to say if we play too hardball and Ben's move doesn't happen that even with his best efforts he loses 5% of his edge on the pitch and both his value to us in his on-field contributions as well as his value as an asset are diminished.
Get this done quickly whilst getting the best we can for him and I have total confidence that DM will reshape the team and improve us again.
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That’s massively under valuing him,
Preston themselves spent 2 million last season on a league one central midfielder who has had nothing of a career compared to ben.
How we can think 500k-1 million less for ben than Baylis is ok is baffling
You keep saying 'we'.
It's not us, it's what others are prepared to pay.
It’s upto us whether we sell,
If others aren’t prepared to pay what we value him at then we don’t sell him
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
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That’s massively under valuing him,
Preston themselves spent 2 million last season on a league one central midfielder who has had nothing of a career compared to ben.
How we can think 500k-1 million less for ben than Baylis is ok is baffling
They paid £2m in August 2019, well before the pandemic. Football finances have changed dramatically since then. The market is entirely different.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
Not sad, Iv noticed the same.
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I reckon 1.5 million gets him
I’m sure I read somewhere that Sheff Utd had a 30% sell on, thats £450k go e straight away, add into that deffered wages and agent fees, that will probablytake it below £1m, and then theres the probability of installments, it will do nothing for our immediate cash flow
It won’t shift the dial but sell on fee is often on the profit not the gross fee. We did pay a decent fee (for us) for Whiteman.
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Also, let’s - just for a moment - take him at his word that he seemingly wants to move closer to home. If this was genuine (and we heard same from Akinfenwa and Marquis to dubious conclusions) he doesn’t have much choice in a Championship. Maybe Huddersfield or Stoke a little closer to Manchester? That is it really in the Championship. Preston would be closest to fit the bill, if this were a real consideration.
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That’s massively under valuing him,
Preston themselves spent 2 million last season on a league one central midfielder who has had nothing of a career compared to ben.
How we can think 500k-1 million less for ben than Baylis is ok is baffling
They paid £2m in August 2019, well before the pandemic. Football finances have changed dramatically since then. The market is entirely different.
It makes sense then to keep hold of him until the summer when he’s still got two years on his deal and clubs will be getting back to normality.
It seems ridiculous to sell your best players in the middle of a pandemic if as you say it’s dramatically reducing the value of players
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I agree. He has a chance to captain a promotion winning side then potentially chose between playing with us in Championship or being a more attractive asset in summer to leave. But he seems to want to go now, as he will be thinking is this offer going to be there in the summer?
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Looking at the numbers interested he must realise there will still be offers in the summer.
There were reports of him stating that the club needed to help them with bringing in more players maybe a year or so ago, so he may feel this hasn’t happened but you’d hope that he’d realise that things have changed in a year but you never know
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We always sell on the cheap. It's nothing new. Look at how much Marquis went for, compared to similar strikers at this level. Toney for example.
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If Whiteman wants to leave and we prevent that, do you seriously think he will give 100 percent for us in games going forward? Did he not play yesterday because DM chose not to pick him, or did he just not want to play? If he wants to go, then get rid as far as I’m concerned. His commitment to our club has obviously diminished. Sell him for as much as we can possibly get and move on. No one player is bigger than the club.
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Well you can say the same about loan players then I think Ben is more professional than that
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I don’t think that at all
I think if he stayed he’d be as committed as he always has been.
He’s a professional footballer and he definitely doesn’t seem the character that would behave like that.
Keeping him could very likely be the difference between us getting promoted or not
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Good post DBR but I can’t help thinking this is the wrong time for Ben and for us. We all know he wants and deserves a rise up the football ladder, but the disruption it could create could be very harmful to any hopes we have of promotion.
We should be doing all we can to hang onto Ben until the summer and then he can choose what’s best for him - stay with us in the Championship or try elsewhere!
But that's exactly what we're trying to do though Alan. It doesn't mean we'll be successful, that's down to the player not us.
And that is all we want to hear i think. There are some who may say that because he is under contract we have more control than normal to make that happen
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
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But if Alfie May can tweet his congratulations, a lad who's been gone nearly a year, why can the captain of the team not?
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Whilst he doesnt post much on twitter when he does he really shows his pride and affection for the club. You would have thought he would have at least posted on his own account yesterday about the result. It certainley appears true to me that what Martin said is true and he wants out. Shame really. What i dont get is if Ben is saying he wants championship football because he isnt getting any younger, then why did he sign a long term contract with us?
I could understand it if we were out of the promotion frame but obviously we are in a great position. Why just see the season out, and if we dont go up ask for a move? its only another 5 month.
Its inevitable hes going, but one thing is for sure, hes not bigger than the club, no one is, and i fully trust DM to find a replacement. He will have his targets, dont worry about that.
One door closes, another one opens.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Have to agree to disagree but I'd like a bit more from the captain of my club after 11 of his team mates have put in a herculean effort to get to the 4th round of the Fa Cup.
As stated, Alfie has been gone a year and he still posted a message.
Just leaves a bitter taste, thats all.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Whilst he doesnt post much on twitter when he does he really shows his pride and affection for the club. You would have thought he would have at least posted on his own account yesterday about the result. It certainley appears true to me that what Martin said is true and he wants out. Shame really. What i dont get is if Ben is saying he wants championship football because he isnt getting any younger, then why did he sign a long term contract with us?
I could understand it if we were out of the promotion frame but obviously we are in a great position. Why just see the season out, and if we dont go up ask for a move? its only another 5 month.
Its inevitable hes going, but one thing is for sure, hes not bigger than the club, no one is, and i fully trust DM to find a replacement. He will have his targets, dont worry about that.
One door closes, another one opens.
Plus he's only 24. It's not as if he's never going to get another chance if he doesn't go now.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Whilst he doesnt post much on twitter when he does he really shows his pride and affection for the club. You would have thought he would have at least posted on his own account yesterday about the result. It certainley appears true to me that what Martin said is true and he wants out. Shame really. What i dont get is if Ben is saying he wants championship football because he isnt getting any younger, then why did he sign a long term contract with us?
I could understand it if we were out of the promotion frame but obviously we are in a great position. Why just see the season out, and if we dont go up ask for a move? its only another 5 month.
Its inevitable hes going, but one thing is for sure, hes not bigger than the club, no one is, and i fully trust DM to find a replacement. He will have his targets, dont worry about that.
One door closes, another one opens.
Plus he's only 24. It's not as if he's never going to get another chance if he doesn't go now.
Well that’s not strictly true is it. He could play against Swindon next Saturday and get a career ending injury. Sometimes you just have to grasp an opportunity. No hard feelings, we’ve lost big players before and we will again. That’s football
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Who has said his head was turned? Was it Moore or the newspapers
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Who has said his head was turned? Was it Moore or the newspapers
The exorcist.
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Who has said his head was turned? Was it Moore or the newspapers
The exorcist.
Glad you still have a sense of humour idler after no doubt going through a tough personal time.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Whilst he doesnt post much on twitter when he does he really shows his pride and affection for the club. You would have thought he would have at least posted on his own account yesterday about the result. It certainley appears true to me that what Martin said is true and he wants out. Shame really. What i dont get is if Ben is saying he wants championship football because he isnt getting any younger, then why did he sign a long term contract with us?
I could understand it if we were out of the promotion frame but obviously we are in a great position. Why just see the season out, and if we dont go up ask for a move? its only another 5 month.
Its inevitable hes going, but one thing is for sure, hes not bigger than the club, no one is, and i fully trust DM to find a replacement. He will have his targets, dont worry about that.
One door closes, another one opens.
Plus he's only 24. It's not as if he's never going to get another chance if he doesn't go now.
Well that’s not strictly true is it. He could play against Swindon next Saturday and get a career ending injury. Sometimes you just have to grasp an opportunity. No hard feelings, we’ve lost big players before and we will again. That’s football
He could just as easily get that career-ending injury in a training ground accident before he's even pulled on a Preston shirt.
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I’ve read a few times now, on here and Twitter, that we should take what we can get for Ben because “no player is bigger than the club”.
For me it’s quite the opposite - if we sell him for a knock down fee because he’s forced through a move then we are pandering and allowing ourselves to be walked over. If his attitude is wrong (not saying it is or would be) then letting him squirm for a few months before cashing in in the summer would be showing that no player is bigger than the club.
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Who has said he has forced a move. Some people on here, really. Whiteman has been the upmost professional for us, yes I would like him to stay. But what a player he is, if he goes this month I wish him all the best (again I hope he doesn’t). If you do leave us Ben, then all I can say is thank you for all your effort you have given our club. A truly great player
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If we're selling get it done now. All of a sudden we've gone by 5 more league games without a proper centre mid. Get him sold and replaced ASAP or X amount by X date or sod off until the summer. This could really derail us in January if not careful.
On fees how much did Stock and Wellens go for? 2 better players and proved they could dominate midfields in the championship before leaving.
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I wouldn't be paying any agent fee at all as he is not representing the best interests of our club, Preston and Ben would have to see to them.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Whilst he doesnt post much on twitter when he does he really shows his pride and affection for the club. You would have thought he would have at least posted on his own account yesterday about the result. It certainley appears true to me that what Martin said is true and he wants out. Shame really. What i dont get is if Ben is saying he wants championship football because he isnt getting any younger, then why did he sign a long term contract with us?
I could understand it if we were out of the promotion frame but obviously we are in a great position. Why just see the season out, and if we dont go up ask for a move? its only another 5 month.
Its inevitable hes going, but one thing is for sure, hes not bigger than the club, no one is, and i fully trust DM to find a replacement. He will have his targets, dont worry about that.
One door closes, another one opens.
Plus he's only 24. It's not as if he's never going to get another chance if he doesn't go now.
Well that’s not strictly true is it. He could play against Swindon next Saturday and get a career ending injury. Sometimes you just have to grasp an opportunity. No hard feelings, we’ve lost big players before and we will again. That’s football
He could just as easily get that career-ending injury in a training ground accident before he's even pulled on a Preston shirt.
You’ve just backed up my argument
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Well, the good thing is, it's the professionals that will sort this out one way or another. Everyone's guessing what's going on behind the scenes but nobody truly knows.
Some have already made their mind up what the outcomes likely to be and who's at fault. The rest are philosophical enough to know its football and either way, we have a good manager and some very good players to carry us forward.
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Can I just add some very good players.........and a quality replacement for BW, should he leave.
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I'm actually astounded that people think it's fair to slate him for not tweeting. I find it really unfair.
Brad Halliday didn't tweet about the game. Nor did Fejiri. Or Ellery Balcombe. Or Jason Lokilo. Multiple other players who didn't play, like Ben, also didn't tweet, including Louis Jones, or Gomes, or Taylor, or Smith.
More than half our fanbase probably isn't even on Twitter, so how is that something to point to to say Whiteman isn't committed. And I say that as someone who tweets every day about Rovers just about.
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Twitter has no bearing whatsoever. That’s a load of nonsense. I really don’t think it’s as bad as people think if he goes. We can still have a very good end to the season. It’s the congestion of fixtures that will do for us more than Ben leaving
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DM never said he was protecting the player the official view from DM was effects from Covid. Yet a “source” from the club let it be know otherwise that the manager was protecting the player. DM had nothing but good words to say about Ben. So let’s see what happens this week, or is a “source” going blame Ben, wasn’t it a “source” who said Marquis wasn’t happy and wanted to leave. Is it to turn the fans against the player some on here have already started.
What is the official view on players leaving and players coming in, it was said by the CEO get into the playoffs and we’ll back the manager. We’ve replace two loanees at the moment. DM said one in one out different message from we’ll back the manager. So what’s the official view from the CEO or have we got to wait for a “source” to tell people.
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It was attributed to “a source” rather than “a club source”. Could be his agent or could be the club, but the article didn’t attribute to anyone in particular.
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No reason to believe the clubs stance is any different to the one they repeated have backed up with the actions of declining bids.
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Anyone on here who calls DM a liar should be impeached for incitement to riot .
That post definitely Trumps every other post on here.
OK, I'll get mi coat and f*ck off.
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Sad of me to notice but Ben hasn't put anything on Twitter or Instagram to congratulate the lads about yesterday.
I can see he's just liked a Max & Paddy tweet from just over 20 minutes ago (that's the sad part on my behalf) so the signs are there. He wants out.
Not sure if I'm reading too much into it but for him to not even acknowledge the lads performance yesterday (which is the norm on social media these days) cuts deep & I thought better of him.
I think that's really unfair. Before the Max & Paddy tweet he liked Andy Butler's tweet about the win, he liked Rovers' official account's tweet naming Anderson Man of the Match, and he viewed all of ITEN's Instagram story posts at the usual time he does after games too. Oh and he commented on Taylor Richards' post on Instagram too. So if we're judging his desire on social media activity (which I don't think we should) then I'd say it is still there.
He doesn't post much on Twitter really anyway. But he does read a lot of what gets said about him, that I do know!
Whilst he doesnt post much on twitter when he does he really shows his pride and affection for the club. You would have thought he would have at least posted on his own account yesterday about the result. It certainley appears true to me that what Martin said is true and he wants out. Shame really. What i dont get is if Ben is saying he wants championship football because he isnt getting any younger, then why did he sign a long term contract with us?
I could understand it if we were out of the promotion frame but obviously we are in a great position. Why just see the season out, and if we dont go up ask for a move? its only another 5 month.
Its inevitable hes going, but one thing is for sure, hes not bigger than the club, no one is, and i fully trust DM to find a replacement. He will have his targets, dont worry about that.
One door closes, another one opens.
Plus he's only 24. It's not as if he's never going to get another chance if he doesn't go now.
Well that’s not strictly true is it. He could play against Swindon next Saturday and get a career ending injury. Sometimes you just have to grasp an opportunity. No hard feelings, we’ve lost big players before and we will again. That’s football
He could just as easily get that career-ending injury in a training ground accident before he's even pulled on a Preston shirt.
You’ve just backed up my argument
Not really. How many players per season pick up career-ending injuries? He's more likely to get a chance to leave in the summer than he is someone to two-foot him and snap his leg in two.
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Thanks martin
Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.
The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed.
The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
or the opposite?
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Please can someone provide evidence Ben Whiteman wants to go.
There is an awful lot of unfounded speculation about Ben on this thread.
Most of it is just gossip.
No evidence whatsoever. All we know is that Preston made one maybe two offers that were rejected.
As Alias said what has or has not been posted by Ben on Twitter does not provide any
evidence that he wants to leave, and the criticism of him is totally unjustified imo.
DM confirmed Ben was one of the players that had Covid. That is as far as i am concerned the reason he didn’t play at Blackburn as he wasn’t deemed fit enough.
Both Taylor & Smith didn’t play either. So does that mean they want out also?
No it doesn’t because they had Covid also.
Has it not occurred to some on here that Covid affects some more than others and the recovery time will vary player to player.
There are an awful lot of people putting 2+2 together and making 5 regarding Ben.
He will only be going if and when a club make an acceptable offer and Ben is happy to go to that club.
We have a fantastic opportunity of promotion this season and the club has stated that they don’t need to sell. So I don’t see Ben being sold for less than the price tag the club have on him.
Think he will be with us till the summer & if we get promoted possibly considerably longer.
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You seem to have missed quite a bit of the story campsall
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Hope this Saga isn’t going to rumble on and on.
If he wants to leave then as soon as the fee is right let him go, and let’s not mess about with his replacement.
Ben has been fantastic for us but players leave football clubs all the time, that’s how it is. I am surprised we have kept him as long as we have done and I don’t think anybody can begrudge him a move to the championship.
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Reading the Preston forum it seems that they are getting a bit miffed at the news that Nottingham Forest and Derby county are now seeming to come onto the scene with more intent, also that Daniel Johnson is on his way to Glasgow Rangers who are now in a position league wise to be able to wait until the end of the season to get him on a free instead of shelling out now.
I love it if true and things turn on spivs.
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Reading their forum it seems they think Ben has been pleading for them to sign him,for the last 2 weeks.
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Why would he want to go to Reading??
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Agents.... absolute w**kers.
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Why would he want to go to Reading??
Have you ever been to Preston?
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Why would he want to go to Reading??
Have you ever been to Preston?
Dunno, the train station is quite nice. And it gets you away from the town...
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Please can someone provide evidence Ben Whiteman wants to go.
There is an awful lot of unfounded speculation about Ben on this thread.
Most of it is just gossip.
No evidence whatsoever. All we know is that Preston made one maybe two offers that were rejected.
As Alias said what has or has not been posted by Ben on Twitter does not provide any
evidence that he wants to leave, and the criticism of him is totally unjustified imo.
DM confirmed Ben was one of the players that had Covid. That is as far as i am concerned the reason he didn’t play at Blackburn as he wasn’t deemed fit enough.
Both Taylor & Smith didn’t play either. So does that mean they want out also?
No it doesn’t because they had Covid also.
Has it not occurred to some on here that Covid affects some more than others and the recovery time will vary player to player.
There are an awful lot of people putting 2+2 together and making 5 regarding Ben.
He will only be going if and when a club make an acceptable offer and Ben is happy to go to that club.
We have a fantastic opportunity of promotion this season and the club has stated that they don’t need to sell. So I don’t see Ben being sold for less than the price tag the club have on him.
Think he will be with us till the summer & if we get promoted possibly considerably longer.
just hear say. Maybe
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Do we need a striker?
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Why would he want to go to Reading??
Have you ever been to Preston?
I've heard some Kitson from Preston
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Please can someone provide evidence Ben Whiteman wants to go.
There is an awful lot of unfounded speculation about Ben on this thread.
Most of it is just gossip.
No evidence whatsoever. All we know is that Preston made one maybe two offers that were rejected.
As Alias said what has or has not been posted by Ben on Twitter does not provide any
evidence that he wants to leave, and the criticism of him is totally unjustified imo.
DM confirmed Ben was one of the players that had Covid. That is as far as i am concerned the reason he didn’t play at Blackburn as he wasn’t deemed fit enough.
Both Taylor & Smith didn’t play either. So does that mean they want out also?
No it doesn’t because they had Covid also.
Has it not occurred to some on here that Covid affects some more than others and the recovery time will vary player to player.
There are an awful lot of people putting 2+2 together and making 5 regarding Ben.
He will only be going if and when a club make an acceptable offer and Ben is happy to go to that club.
We have a fantastic opportunity of promotion this season and the club has stated that they don’t need to sell. So I don’t see Ben being sold for less than the price tag the club have on him.
Think he will be with us till the summer & if we get promoted possibly considerably longer.
Paul, there are a number of posts on the multiple Whiteman/Preston threads which suggest that Ben does want to go there and that his head has been turned.
I think this is more than just fan speculation.
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If what has been posted on Twitter this evening is correct, the title of this thread needs to change from Preston to QPR.
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So he can be nearer Manchester??
Geography as good as Akinfenwa's then!
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Derby and Forest also seem to be in the race to sign him now too.
See Barnsley want to sell Mowatt for £1.2 million but his contract up at end of the season..
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With a possible glamour tie (or 2) to come. Ben would be wise to hang fire a bit. As would the Club.
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I didn't know all them games I watched us play Stockport were classed as glamour games Alan.
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If what has been posted on Twitter this evening is correct, the title of this thread needs to change from Preston to QPR.
What, some no-mark account with 39 followers making completely unsubstantiated claims? Anyone can come up with that rubbish and post it.
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Well, there’s plenty of that been posted already on this thread. What’s the difference?
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I'd say very little! Neither need paying any mind in my opinion.
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I think Ben’s mind has been COVID-addled.
The most obvious solution is for him to buckle down and captain us to the end of the season and then if he wants to go, he can go with our blessing.
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Would love to see Ben play against whu.
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I think Ben’s mind has been COVID-addled.
The most obvious solution is for him to buckle down and captain us to the end of the season and then if he wants to go, he can go with our blessing.
There is no official information from the club that says he won’t stay with us it’s all rumour and information from some source.
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Maybe want to stay a little bit longer with a chance to play against West ham and then maybe Liverpool or man u
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Derby and Forest also seem to be in the race to sign him now too.
See Barnsley want to sell Mowatt for £1.2 million but his contract up at end of the season..
Most overrated player going
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Shop window and all that....
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Derby and Forest also seem to be in the race to sign him now too.
See Barnsley want to sell Mowatt for £1.2 million but his contract up at end of the season..
Most overrated player going
Disagree.
I think Barnsley have been very lucky to have him for so long and if wasn’t local he would’ve left a long time ago.
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I think Ben’s mind has been COVID-addled.
The most obvious solution is for him to buckle down and captain us to the end of the season and then if he wants to go, he can go with our blessing.
There is no official information from the club that says he won’t stay with us it’s all rumour and information from some source.
I don’t do rumours.
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So people are bound to ask S_M, are you the source?
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Derby and Forest also seem to be in the race to sign him now too.
See Barnsley want to sell Mowatt for £1.2 million but his contract up at end of the season..
Most overrated player going
You’re clubs wanting nearly two million for a player that’s never played in the championship, and it’s Mowatt that’s over rated yeah alright.
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Derby and Forest also seem to be in the race to sign him now too.
See Barnsley want to sell Mowatt for £1.2 million but his contract up at end of the season..
Most overrated player going
You’re clubs wanting nearly two million for a player that’s never played in the championship, and it’s Mowatt that’s over rated yeah alright.
Your
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New bid from Preston...?
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-doncaster-react-to-new-preston-north-end-bid-for-whiteman/
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So people are bound to ask S_M, are you the source?
I'm not the source, whatever that means, but I did report on this forum the state of play. As I said, I don't do rumours, and this is certainly not a rumour. Ben has had his head turned by the bids that have come in, but currently those bids don't meet our valuation, nor have they reached a level the club would deem acceptable. That may well change, but for now he's still with us.
I don't see the QPR bid as a serious bid as Ben has no desire to go south, his key focus currently will be to move closer to home.
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He’s got 2.5 years to think about where he wants to go, then!
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Reading that story the information has come from a recruitment source. Also Preston want BW because they could lose two midfielders. If they don’t then what. Again another story with no official backing from the club apart from what the manager said that Ben missed Blackburn game for Covid reasons.
So until we hear officially then Bens our player and May it continue.
By the way SM where have I mentioned you ?
The source was mentioned in Liam Hoden article and this article.
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He’s got 2.5 years to think about where he wants to go, then!
That's just blind optimism.
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Reading that story the information has come from a recruitment source. Also Preston want BW because they could lose two midfielders. If they don’t then what. Again another story with no official backing from the club apart from what the manager said that Ben missed Blackburn game for Covid reasons.
So until we hear officially then Bens our player and May it continue.
By the way SM where have I mentioned you ?
The source was mentioned in Liam Hoden article and this article.
I didn't say you had mentioned me, but I did report on Saturday that the Preston bids were serious and that Ben was listening to them. Its exactly the same as Liam reported, I just didn't use the word 'source' as that seemed irrelevant to me. After all, if I'd got this information from someone not connected to the club I wouldn't have reported it at all.
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What I don’t understand after DM had said Ben was not ready because of Covid issues. Why some one from club would let it be known he’d had his head turned. Why go against what the manager had said.
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There’s no doubt in my mind he’s going this month, which in that case he shouldn’t play for us again. The club should be playing hardball over this not only on price, but other things as well, such as the deferred wages owed to him, the buying club should be taking those over, and the sell on clause should be equal or greater than the Sheff Utd clause. If they want him that badly they’ll pay. Whiteman could also put in a transfer request if he wanted to go that badly, but he’s unlikely to as that will impact any loyalty bonus due to him
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I'm always surprised at the amount of stick our board get at times like these.They have been put in a pretty tough position and whatever happens from here they are in a no win situation.There has been some pretty madness valuations especially on twitter ranging from 3 to 10 million as a minimum we can accept and that's just not happening in times like these.
Its very easy for fans to say he's got 2.5 years left on his contract and we should turn everything down and go for promotion. However it's pretty obvious to everybody that Ben wants the move and it could lead to a unhappy player that leads to unrest in the camp and division.The last thing we want.
People are also stamping their feet and using Posh and Toney as a example of how we should be proceeding but that's chalk and cheese. Everyman and his dog were wanting Toney and Posh could just sit back and watch them bid against each other. No matter how good we think he is isn't attracting close to that attention,there is no bidding war. They also forget that Maddison who they had multiple offers for at various times in his time with them ended up leaving on a free.
I've hardly seen a word of criticism of Ben himself but i for one am not happy with how he is going about this. Ben wants to play championship football desperately but he doesn't want to go far from his home limiting his options. I've no doubt his agent has probably been letting the right people know exactly that. Preston is obviously right where he wants to be and ticks all his boxes. Problem is they have put in a low ball offer compared to his worth. Ben and his agent should be looking at them and themselves if they want this to happen.
Preston should increase there offer (it wouldn't take much) and Ben should put in a transfer request and waive his rights to any fee's direct to him.Maybe then a agreement can be reached that suits everybody. It shouldn't just be down to us to accept a poor offer just because it suits him. He cant expect us to roll over and have our tummy's tickled.
Reality is I think it will happen at some point and good luck to the lad. He has earned his crack at it.
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Does anyone know for certain that it is a source at the cub though.
In the 60s my brother-in-law had a mate working at the Yorkshire Post in Leeds. He told him that on a low news day they could more or less pluck a story out of thin air and just quote “a source said” and that would give it an air of credibility. They could always decline to say who the source was so nobody was the wiser.
Sometimes journalist are just as likely to have 2+2=5 as fans.
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Does anyone know for certain that it is a source at the cub though.
In the 60s my brother-in-law had a mate working at the Yorkshire Post in Leeds. He told him that on a low news day they could more or less pluck a story out of thin air and just quote “a source said” and that would give it an air of credibility. They could always decline to say who the source was so nobody was the wiser.
Sometimes journalist are just as likely to have 2+2=5 as fans.
I can assure you my source is definitely in the club. I wouldn't have posted it otherwise idler.
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What I don’t understand after DM had said Ben was not ready because of Covid issues. Why some one from club would let it be known he’d had his head turned. Why go against what the manager had said.
How do you know it was someone at the club? The statement said source, it could have been a member of his family or someone connected to his agent.
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I'm always surprised at the amount of stick our board get at times like these.They have been put in a pretty tough position and whatever happens from here they are in a no win situation.There has been some pretty madness valuations especially on twitter ranging from 3 to 10 million as a minimum we can accept and that's just not happening in times like these.
Its very easy for fans to say he's got 2.5 years left on his contract and we should turn everything down and go for promotion. However it's pretty obvious to everybody that Ben wants the move and it could lead to a unhappy player that leads to unrest in the camp and division.The last thing we want.
People are also stamping their feet and using Posh and Toney as a example of how we should be proceeding but that's chalk and cheese. Everyman and his dog were wanting Toney and Posh could just sit back and watch them bid against each other. No matter how good we think he is isn't attracting close to that attention,there is no bidding war. They also forget that Maddison who they had multiple offers for at various times in his time with them ended up leaving on a free.
I've hardly seen a word of criticism of Ben himself but i for one am not happy with how he is going about this. Ben wants to play championship football desperately but he doesn't want to go far from his home limiting his options. I've no doubt his agent has probably been letting the right people know exactly that. Preston is obviously right where he wants to be and ticks all his boxes. Problem is they have put in a low ball offer compared to his worth. Ben and his agent should be looking at them and themselves if they want this to happen.
Preston should increase there offer (it wouldn't take much) and Ben should put in a transfer request and waive his rights to any fee's direct to him.Maybe then a agreement can be reached that suits everybody. It shouldn't just be down to us to accept a poor offer just because it suits him. He cant expect us to roll over and have our tummy's tickled.
Reality is I think it will happen at some point and good luck to the lad. He has earned his crack at it.
Pretty much agree with all that. I would imagine though it's his agent and Preston that are determining the tactics to engineer the move.
It wouldn't surprise me if Ben has had a man to man with DM, who will have given him the benefit of experience and told him to take the weekend to get his head straight but also remind him of his contractual obligations and desire to get this sorted quickly.
As you say, if Preston want him bad enough they will be back. The ball is strickly in their court. DRFC don't have to move from their stance and cannot be led a merry dance when there's other important matters to attend to.
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What I don’t understand after DM had said Ben was not ready because of Covid issues. Why some one from club would let it be known he’d had his head turned. Why go against what the manager had said.
How do you know it was someone at the club? The statement said source, it could have been a member of his family or someone connected to his agent.
Don’t want to start an argument but Martin(SM) has said he had his head turned and the information came from someone at the club. The Liam Hoden story could have been a different source.
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What I don’t understand after DM had said Ben was not ready because of Covid issues. Why some one from club would let it be known he’d had his head turned. Why go against what the manager had said.
How do you know it was someone at the club? The statement said source, it could have been a member of his family or someone connected to his agent.
Or it could be entirely made up....? :blink:
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What I don’t understand after DM had said Ben was not ready because of Covid issues. Why some one from club would let it be known he’d had his head turned. Why go against what the manager had said.
How do you know it was someone at the club? The statement said source, it could have been a member of his family or someone connected to his agent.
Don’t want to start an argument but Martin(SM) has said he had his head turned and the information came from someone at the club. The Liam Hoden story could have been a different source.
The Holden one is the one I’m referring to, I know SM would only use an official club source.
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I’ll be disappointed to see Ben move but that’s football, my only concern is that it drags on and subsequently doesn’t give us time to recruit
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What I don’t understand after DM had said Ben was not ready because of Covid issues. Why some one from club would let it be known he’d had his head turned. Why go against what the manager had said.
How do you know it was someone at the club? The statement said source, it could have been a member of his family or someone connected to his agent.
Or it could be entirely made up....? :blink:
Given that SM has confirmed it, it’s obviously not made up
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Does anyone know for certain that it is a source at the cub though.
In the 60s my brother-in-law had a mate working at the Yorkshire Post in Leeds. He told him that on a low news day they could more or less pluck a story out of thin air and just quote “a source said” and that would give it an air of credibility. They could always decline to say who the source was so nobody was the wiser.
Sometimes journalist are just as likely to have 2+2=5 as fans.
I can assure you my source is definitely in the club. I wouldn't have posted it otherwise idler.
Sorry Martin,I must have missed that. It’s a bit disappointing that someone at the club has put it in the public domain increasing speculation.
He has been a very good player for us and if he moves then we just have to accept it and hope that we can maximise any fee received.
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His agent will be the one playing silly buggers for his own greedy advantage, meanwhile four pages of wet dream posts are on the Nottingham Forest forum just thinking of the reports down there that they are in for him, and the PNE fans are expecting to be out maneuvered.
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I’ll be disappointed to see Ben move but that’s football, my only concern is that it drags on and subsequently doesn’t give us time to recruit
I'm sure we all concur with that one, although the club did firmly reject Barnsley's multiple bids in the summer and said he wouldn't be leaving without sufficient time to recruit. I would imagine/hope the same would apply this time round. Ben has to understand that too and shouldn't see it that we're holding him back, with Preston bearing that responsibility.
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Peterborough do it all the time. Its all about getting the best possible price for whiteman. the more other clubs want him the better chance we have of getting our valuation.
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Anyone think Ben might have had some poor advice from his agent and is playing silly buggers? Is it possible he refused to play in an attempt to force a move? Doesn’t seem like him but you never know.
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Anyone think Ben might have had some poor advice from his agent and is playing silly buggers? Is it possible he refused to play in an attempt to force a move? Doesn’t seem like him but you never know.
Or Ben has had problems with his recovery from Covid, he is training again this week preparing for the game against Swindon, he is ready to play in all the games while he is with the club and being an ultra professional. Now that’s speculation on my behalf same as yours.
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Anyone think Ben might have had some poor advice from his agent and is playing silly buggers? Is it possible he refused to play in an attempt to force a move? Doesn’t seem like him but you never know.
Or Ben has had problems with his recovery from Covid, he is training again this week preparing for the game against Swindon, he is ready to play in all the games while he is with the club and being an ultra professional. Now that’s speculation on my behalf same as yours.
I guess we will see if he plays the next game. What I do know is that I wouldn’t put anything past an agent. Absolute cocks.
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I don’t doubt that Ben is a very good professional and that he would give of his best if he was to play on Saturday.
If prospective buyers don’t come up with what we want for him then he will just have to get his head down and get on with things here.
People might say that it is no good keeping him if he is unhappy but I bet he was happy enough to sign his improved contract when it was offered to him.
The contracts are designed to benefit both parties.
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Ben needs the West Ham game to boost his valuation, and it could be better for us to. If he plays well the better clubs get interested, if he doesn’t play well then no one comes in for him
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Ultimately I think he's as good as gone. If his head's turned, that's it. I just hope the board hold fast on whatever their valuation is. I also hope it's sorted quickly and not at 5 minutes to midnight at the end of the window!
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Going going gone....
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-preston-north-end-have-new-bid-for-ben-whiteman-accepted/
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Says “over” £1.5m which seems a decent fee, not spectacular but ok. If we are getting up to £1.75m that is more like a good number, given the Blades element.
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You know for a fact, if this is confirmed there will be those who immediately point the finger at the club saying we've let him go for peanuts! Even if it's 'undisclosed' they will say the same.
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You know for a fact, if this is confirmed there will be those who immediately point the finger at the club saying we've let him go for peanuts! Even if it's 'undisclosed' they will say the same.
It is peanuts though, for that to be acceptable, he would have to cancel the wages we owe him, have a hefty sell on clause and at least a minimum payment if they let his contract run out, and payment at point of sale
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
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Rolled over again!
Will we get a replacement that’s half as good? I doubt it.
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
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You know that for a fact do you
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So we're taking "Football Insider" at their word now?
The Internet is an absolute hole for football transfer rumours. If it doesn't come from either the clubs or the Free Press I don't know why people take it as read.
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Going going gone....
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-preston-north-end-have-new-bid-for-ben-whiteman-accepted/
So the bloke he will be replacing turned down £17k per week, no wonder he has had his head turned, do people reckon we should be matching that?
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When will we get to know from a official source from the club
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nothing from the club or the DFP?........ :unsure:
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Going going gone....
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-preston-north-end-have-new-bid-for-ben-whiteman-accepted/
So the bloke he will be replacing turned down £17k per week, no wonder he has had his head turned, do people reckon we should be matching that?
to be fair Ben will not be on that if he signs for preston , the player that turned it down is on his way to celtic or rangers on a free and that if he signed it would have broken their highest paid player
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It’s not always the total value that clubs reject, it’s the structure of the payments. It will be about £1.5m. How we go about replacing him is the telling thing. If the club want me to recommend some L1 midfielders they could purchase that would do a similar job, I only charge a small fee!
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According to journalist Alan Nixon, Whitemans contract is up in the summer.He knows nothing
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Apparently its £1.6million with a load of addons in the deal, whether that is true. Hopefully the money will help us replace Whiteman and strengthen other areas of the squad to push on.
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If he goes for $1.7m or whatever, we want it all up front now.
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And his agent should be named and shamed.
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
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Of course this is all speculation but as we've said previously, as disappointing as it is, we have to be prepared for it to happen sooner or later.
If a club matches the value that in his terms/agreement then you can't change the goalposts and breach that agreement. That is tantamount to standing in a players way. There won't be many League One players with such a high a release clause I would guess
Some may debate the value that triggers his ability to talk to other clubs but you have to consider, he may not have signed his new contract in the first place and could be walking away for free and/or joining Barnsley for much less than his worth. Had he not signed a new contract, the same folk would be up in arms about that too.
We may have never got Ben, or Cameron John for example, without these sell on clauses in the first place. What min fee would you say would be right for Cameron John??
These matters are never as straightforward as we think.
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Putting aside the tough COVID financial climate, we have a budget and I would imagine given his new deal, that Whiteman is by far our top earner. If he leaves, that wage is then freed. I doubt very much we will be signing a player who will be getting what we are paying Whiteman now, potentially bring in two players for his wage.
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Going going gone....
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-preston-north-end-have-new-bid-for-ben-whiteman-accepted/
as legitimate as EFL hub?
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If he goes for $1.7m or whatever, we want it all up front now.
I think we would prefer £ ;)
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I have probably asked b4 and forgotten
Why are some deals for un undisclosed fee pls
Who doesn't want that info in public and why?
Selling Club or purchasing club and does it really matter as surely it must go on the Profit and Loss" books and be there to be discovered later?
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I have probably asked b4 and forgotten
Why are some deals for un undisclosed fee pls
Who doesn't want that info in public and why?
Selling Club or purchasing club and does it really matter as surely it must go on the Profit and Loss" books and be there to be discovered later?
Presumably a degree of commercial sensitivity involved.
Letting what's a competitive market know what you've paid for a player (on the part of the purchasing club) and how much you've got to spend (on the part of the selling club) might not be ideal in the immediate term.
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Putting aside the tough COVID financial climate, we have a budget and I would imagine given his new deal, that Whiteman is by far our top earner. If he leaves, that wage is then freed. I doubt very much we will be signing a player who will be getting what we are paying Whiteman now, potentially bring in two players for his wage.
There is also the salary cap to factor in. We'll presumably be limited by that also.
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No problem at all in selling him for a decent fee. The key is the replacement, that's the vital part. Get that right and we will be perfectly fine. Fail on that and it could.kill the season.
Also neither the player or agent owe us anything. Can't hold it against a player for moving upwards, though I do feel he should wait for the summer personally.
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
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It’s not 30%
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Sheffield United ripped us off with the sale of Brian Deane, I just hope we put a good sale on clause with Ben’s transfer. Good luck to him
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Of course this is all speculation but as we've said previously, as disappointing as it is, we have to be prepared for it to happen sooner or later.
If a club matches the value that in his terms/agreement then you can't change the goalposts and breach that agreement. That is tantamount to standing in a players way. There won't be many League One players with such a high a release clause I would guess
Some may debate the value that triggers his ability to talk to other clubs but you have to consider, he may not have signed his new contract in the first place and could be walking away for free and/or joining Barnsley for much less than his worth. Had he not signed a new contract, the same folk would be up in arms about that too.
We may have never got Ben, or Cameron John for example, without these sell on clauses in the first place. What min fee would you say would be right for Cameron John??
These matters are never as straightforward as we think.
Do we even know that he has a minimum release clause? I’ve not seen that mentioned by SM or reported elsewhere - comments along the lines of “bids don’t match our valuation” to me suggest we have a fee in mind, not something in writing.
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Of course this is all speculation but as we've said previously, as disappointing as it is, we have to be prepared for it to happen sooner or later.
If a club matches the value that in his terms/agreement then you can't change the goalposts and breach that agreement. That is tantamount to standing in a players way. There won't be many League One players with such a high a release clause I would guess
Some may debate the value that triggers his ability to talk to other clubs but you have to consider, he may not have signed his new contract in the first place and could be walking away for free and/or joining Barnsley for much less than his worth. Had he not signed a new contract, the same folk would be up in arms about that too.
We may have never got Ben, or Cameron John for example, without these sell on clauses in the first place. What min fee would you say would be right for Cameron John??
These matters are never as straightforward as we think.
Do we even know that he has a minimum release clause? I’ve not seen that mentioned by SM or reported elsewhere - comments along the lines of “bids don’t match our valuation” to me suggest we have a fee in mind, not something in writing.
I don't know, as I said just speculation.
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
So, you're guessing then?
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
So, you're guessing then?
Speculating would be the appropriate word, just like everyone else, but you choose to ignore everyone else speculating
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
If Bens asked for a move , then he and his agent shouldn't receive a penny of the transfer fee.
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It’s not always the total value that clubs reject, it’s the structure of the payments. It will be about £1.5m. How we go about replacing him is the telling thing. If the club want me to recommend some L1 midfielders they could purchase that would do a similar job, I only charge a small fee!
Go on then what you got? Genuinely interested who is out there.
I hope we get an established Mr and not a youth on loan
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
If Bens asked for a move , then he and his agent shouldn't receive a penny of the transfer fee.
My opinion on agents is the player that employs them should foot the bill in its entirity, they are nothing but self serving leeches
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
So, you're guessing then?
Speculating would be the appropriate word, just like everyone else, but you choose to ignore everyone else speculating
You made a definitive statement, no question marks, no supporting points to your 'speculation', just purely your point that was dressed up to be as affirmative as possible. That's why I commented, because it was just a ludicrous swipe at the club.
Other people have speculated, but their posts are obvious.
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I'd go with that too, Filo. Agents suck money out of the game, force moves for their cuts, etc.
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It is pretty obvious that we have not been the instigators of the deal, therefore I would not pay anything to his agent at all, if a fee has been agreed with Ben to extend his contract when he signed it then surely we are obligated to any agreements in that contract and the fee we stipulated and stood fast for which Preston seem to have agreed to, and should cover any legitimate fees we have to pay Sheffield United or anyone else and leave us with a fee we are happy as a club to accept.
If all those conditions have been reached then both clubs and the player will be happy with the transaction.
We the supporters have lost a fans favourite, and see things slightly differently to the business people who run the club, If we have a good sell on clause I am confident that we will have income from the deal in future to add to what we already have in hand.
We can only hope that the club have stood by their word and held out for what they thought was a worthwhile deal that suited our club, and if they have I am confident that the amounts bandied about on here will not be as much as the deal we have struck with Preston.
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How can you say its peanuts when you dont know what it is?
It will be less thann£1m after Sheff utd have their cut
Absolutely, categorically incorrect!
It might well be, but I’ve seen it in the past that Sheff Utd have a sell on of 30%, 30% of £1.5m is £450k, after that there will be other deductions, agents fees etc. Wage deferral from the covid agreement with the players.
So, you're guessing then?
Speculating would be the appropriate word, just like everyone else, but you choose to ignore everyone else speculating
You made a definitive statement, no question marks, no supporting points to your 'speculation', just purely your point that was dressed up to be as affirmative as possible. That's why I commented, because it was just a ludicrous swipe at the club.
Other people have speculated, but their posts are obvious.
There wasn’t any swipe at the club, but never mind you go ahead and dress my comments as a swipe at the club, you ought to know better than that, I’ve always been a big defender of the club. That doesn’t stop me having an opinion does it? I even got taken to court trying to defend the club FFS!
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Hoden intimating we're getting more than £1.5m for him.
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Hoden intimating we're getting more than £1.5m for him.
LH also says...
From what I've been told over the past week or so, there is a confidence Rovers will be able to act quickly in bringing at least one player in once the Whiteman deal is fully confirmed. A possibility - and I stress the word possibility - before the weekend
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Hoden intimating we're getting more than £1.5m for him.
Yeah, that would go along with some other rags that say we turned down £1.5 million.
My guess is about £1.7m.
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So much for we don’t need to sell !
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So much for we don’t need to sell !
Yeah but you can't force a player to remain who wants to move on.
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If we turned down £1.5m they were hardly going to come back with £2.5m. Don’t have a clue but your next move would be modestly up, so £1.75m seems right. They were under no real bidding pressure as Whiteman clearly had his heart set on going there.
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So much for we don’t need to sell !
I take it you're ignoring the part where the player is saying he wants to go.
Surely you're not just looking for a stick to beat the board with? :ohmy:
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Hoden intimating we're getting more than £1.5m for him.
LH also says...
From what I've been told over the past week or so, there is a confidence Rovers will be able to act quickly in bringing at least one player in once the Whiteman deal is fully confirmed. A possibility - and I stress the word possibility - before the weekend
As someone eluded to previously, as one door closes another one opens.
If this gets confirmed, hopefully Ben won't be the last player to leave us for good money, as it will be a sign we're doing things right and being successful.
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So much for we don’t need to sell !
We do when the player doesn’t want to play for us anymore and actually refuses to play against Blackburn (twice in one season)
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I expect the fee to be £2 million or more once you factor in add-ons, as nearly all transfer deals include them these days. I'm not basing this on anything by the way, merely making a reasonable guess based on the information we have from proper sources - i.e. Liam Hoden and SM, not "Football Insider" or Twitter know-nothings.
My opinion this whole time is that £2m was the minimum we should be asking. If the player wants to go and the club buying are willing to pay what Rovers want, then we should have no problem with that. Our season will not be defined by Whiteman's departure but by how we choose to replace him in the squad.
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£2m from Reading for Matt Mills in 2009 likely then to remain our transfer record for time being.
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People cant wait for a stick to beat the board with.Just have a look on Hodens twitter feed.Even 1or 2 people who post on here are on it.
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This is football. It is what it is.
I can't understand those who are having a melt down. He's done really well for us and deserves his chance. Shame it not with us but goodook to the lad.
One door closes, another one opens. This is life for a club like ours.
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Mike McGrath - Football reporter at The Daily Telegraph
Ben Whiteman to have medical at #PNE Preston tomorrow ahead of move from Doncaster #DRFC. Will be one of the bigger moves in Championship this window ⚽️⚽️
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I think it's about right. Wellens Stock and Mills Sharp all proven at championship level. Went for similar ish
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When you look at Lundstram for example who made it to the Prem, I think Ben also has the potential to make it to the Prem at some point if he continues to develop all round. I really think he will stand out at PNE and might get a move from there.
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So we’re getting about £2 million... let’s hope we use half that to use on signing a couple of replacements. Fair enough if they use the other half to make up for what we’ve lost due to Covid
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So we’re getting about £2 million... let’s hope we use half that to use on signing a couple of replacements. Fair enough if they use the other half to make up for what we’ve lost due to Covid
Personally, I'd be happy if we brought in a youngster with potential and banked the rest of the money...
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So we’re getting about £2 million... let’s hope we use half that to use on signing a couple of replacements. Fair enough if they use the other half to make up for what we’ve lost due to Covid
Matt Smith
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So we’re getting about £2 million... let’s hope we use half that to use on signing a couple of replacements. Fair enough if they use the other half to make up for what we’ve lost due to Covid
Personally, I'd be happy if we brought in a youngster with potential and banked the rest of the money...
I agree, and is pretty much what we did when we brought in Ben.
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Brannigan from Oxford or has some1 already poached him
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Are people expecting a permanent signing to replace Ben or would you be happy with an ambitious loan ?
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Well its a bugga is this , I know the lad wanted to play in the championship but for the sake of seeing this season out he may well have achieved that by remaining at Rovers .
I could have understood this a little more if he'd gone to one of the bigger championship clubs , Forest , Derby or Birmingham even .
Preston whilst established in the championship aren't a big club by any means , we averaged more than they did last season whilst they chased the play offs and we were bottom of the league .
I maybe wrong here but I don't entirely buy the nearer to his roots soundbite , as I say I could be wrong but personally I'm not convinced by that , Preston and Doncaster isn't the other side of the world from each other .
Personally I think and again in my opinion he'd have been better placed to wait until the season ended , see which league Rovers were in and also to see if a bigger club came in for him .
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Are people expecting a permanent signing to replace Ben or would you be happy with an ambitious loan ?
If it gets us promotion....either
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Brannigan from Oxford or has some1 already poached him
Nope - in fact he is playing for Oxford right now...
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One good performance v West Ham and his price could have doubled! Totally agree Tyke.
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I'd be happy with a loan of the calibre of Smith or Sims, but I'd really like us to sign the next Ben Whiteman permanently (yes I know Ben started out on loan, you know what I mean). We do need to start building up our own, we haven't done that since DF was here really.
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I'd be happy with a loan of the calibre of Smith or Sims, but I'd really like us to sign the next Ben Whiteman permanently (yes I know Ben started out on loan, you know what I mean). We do need to start building up our own, we haven't done that since DF was here really.
Ravenhill?
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Id quite happily take a loan to cover Whiteman and Simms on a permanent
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Of course this is all speculation but as we've said previously, as disappointing as it is, we have to be prepared for it to happen sooner or later.
If a club matches the value that in his terms/agreement then you can't change the goalposts and breach that agreement. That is tantamount to standing in a players way. There won't be many League One players with such a high a release clause I would guess
Some may debate the value that triggers his ability to talk to other clubs but you have to consider, he may not have signed his new contract in the first place and could be walking away for free and/or joining Barnsley for much less than his worth. Had he not signed a new contract, the same folk would be up in arms about that too.
We may have never got Ben, or Cameron John for example, without these sell on clauses in the first place. What min fee would you say would be right for Cameron John??
These matters are never as straightforward as we think.
We were getting offers around this figure before he signed his new contract so I’m pretty sure we didn’t put a release clause in his contract for a figure that we were currently rejecting.
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Of course Ben might go to Preston and excel resulting in an even bigger move, possibly to the PL.
I hope we have a good sell on clause in the deal just in case that does happen.
I have to say by the way, I have had word from a friend who has good connections with the club and he says that our asking price was quite a bit more than £2m.
He did give me a figure.
I know, I know, a friend etc but I am not fibbing, he has given me info before which has been accurate.
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I'd be happy with a loan of the calibre of Smith or Sims, but I'd really like us to sign the next Ben Whiteman permanently (yes I know Ben started out on loan, you know what I mean). We do need to start building up our own, we haven't done that since DF was here really.
Ravenhill?
He could well be in a few years. I don't know if a teenager with 1(?) sub appearance to his name should have that on his shoulders though.
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Hoden intimating we're getting more than £1.5m for him.
LH also says...
From what I've been told over the past week or so, there is a confidence Rovers will be able to act quickly in bringing at least one player in once the Whiteman deal is fully confirmed. A possibility - and I stress the word possibility - before the weekend
This paragraph could be taken from when we sold Marquis too,
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So we’re getting about £2 million... let’s hope we use half that to use on signing a couple of replacements. Fair enough if they use the other half to make up for what we’ve lost due to Covid
we aren’t going to get that as Sheffield United want 25% of it
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It is a shame we’ve lost many of our best players now from 2/3 years ago
Marosi
Marquis
Rowe
Whiteman
Sadlier
To name a few
Our back 4 is quality all experienced players with many games at this level.
The rest of the side and we’re struggling to find experience
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I think it's about right. Wellens Stock and Mills Sharp all proven at championship level. Went for similar ish
All of those were at least 8 years ago. Wellens and Mills left in 2009! There’s a lot more money swimming around in the Championship these days, Covid aside.
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We don't really have our own midfield now. Coops retiring. Gomes not gonna get your promoted. Really hope we can get a couple in permanent. Having said that this stinks of the Marquis crap we were fed. Kwame Thomas and Bingham were the answer. Expecting a 17 year old on loan or Herald Goulon to return
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Say, for example, Whiteman’s agent engineered the move, and Rovers rejected the initial bids, perhaps said agent advised his client that withdrawing his services might force a move, and he did that last weekend... That casts Whiteman in a different light, and not a very good one. Bit of a tw@t really.
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I think it's about right. Wellens Stock and Mills Sharp all proven at championship level. Went for similar ish
All of those were at least 8 years ago. Wellens and Mills left in 2009! There’s a lot more money swimming around in the Championship these days, Covid aside.
That's what I mean. So about right these days for a good league 1 player they were good championship players
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Say, for example, Whiteman’s agent engineered the move, and Rovers rejected the initial bids, perhaps said agent advised his client that withdrawing his services might force a move, and he did that last weekend... That casts Whiteman in a different light, and not a very good one. Bit of a tw@t really.
He has refused to play. Simple. Darren Moore picks him regardless of offers. You are right t**t
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P.S. I don’t see Preston as a step up to be honest. Meh.
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Preston ! Below Blackburn in the Championship table two pence halfpenny club. Good luck to Ben he will need it
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One good performance v West Ham and his price could have doubled! Totally agree Tyke.
Alan , my personal opinion is that Preston are starting to go on the slide , they are losing Daniel Johnson either this window or for nowt in the summer , they may even lose him for nowt this window if Glasgow Rangers exploit a rule and the pre contract agreement .
Absolutely nothing like the side they were in the first half of last season and they need a rebuild to get back to seriously challenging the play offs .
The top 6 this season in the championship are way way above such as ourselves and Preston and our respective league positions don't tell the whole story .
We've improved massively but Preston have dropped significantly from where they were .
I think your lad might have made an error here and a tad hasty .
Not saying he should have come to Barnsley at all just that I think in the summer and some good performances behind him in the second half of the season at Rovers he may have had his pick of bigger championship clubs if he wanted a move .
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Que sera sera
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Say, for example, Whiteman’s agent engineered the move, and Rovers rejected the initial bids, perhaps said agent advised his client that withdrawing his services might force a move, and he did that last weekend... That casts Whiteman in a different light, and not a very good one. Bit of a tw@t really.
He has refused to play. Simple. Darren Moore picks him regardless of offers. You are right t**t
I might be reading this wrong but... it looks like you're calling him a t**t yet he's basically said the same thing as you?
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Right let's say it is 2mill 25% to sheff utd.
Think we should spend around 750k on a replacement at most hopefully young hungry point to prove type player.
The rest on renewing contracts and paying wage deferrals back to players if not already done with the cup money
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P.S. I don’t see Preston as a step up to be honest. Meh.
Sorry I'm not singling you out per se but some people need to give their heads a wobble re Preston's standing. They're an absolute ideal move for Ben. Looking at the teams above them where else would he go? Norwich/Swansea/Brentford/Reading/Watford? Integral though he is for us I don't see him as a regular starter for them,
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Well its a bugga is this , I know the lad wanted to play in the championship but for the sake of seeing this season out he may well have achieved that by remaining at Rovers .
I could have understood this a little more if he'd gone to one of the bigger championship clubs , Forest , Derby or Birmingham even .
Preston whilst established in the championship aren't a big club by any means , we averaged more than they did last season whilst they chased the play offs and we were bottom of the league .
I maybe wrong here but I don't entirely buy the nearer to his roots soundbite , as I say I could be wrong but personally I'm not convinced by that , Preston and Doncaster isn't the other side of the world from each other .
Personally I think and again in my opinion he'd have been better placed to wait until the season ended , see which league Rovers were in and also to see if a bigger club came in for him .
Agree entirely. I hope the club have played this well reg add ons and that we get someone in who DM has seen as the right replacement. Ideally on perm otherwise this forum will go into meltdown. I rate Ben, but not that highly as he's not achieved anything yet really. I also don't think their manager is in a safe job. If they end up near the bottom or go down he'll be out of a job.
I finally only have to say:
Ben who?
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I think DM has earned the right to decide how he wants to shape the team and look at succession planning which doesn't always mean signing a permanent player in that position. If he wants to prioritise another player(s) on permanents and bring in another young player (with the same potential as Ben when he arrived as a loanee. The same potential as Cameron John when we signed him) then so be it.
He'll know more than any of us what's required to keep us progressing.
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I'd be happy with a loan of the calibre of Smith or Sims, but I'd really like us to sign the next Ben Whiteman permanently (yes I know Ben started out on loan, you know what I mean). We do need to start building up our own, we haven't done that since DF was here really.
Ravenhill?
Lirak Hasani is a better player than Liam although we should be keeping both!
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Preston are a step up very simple currently
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As long as the board is happy with the financial side of the deal, I don't care if he has signed for Preston, Hull or Barcelona. What I do care about is we sign a really good replacement, we are in a strong position in the league & the need to bring in at least one more in this window, preferably a permanent, could well define our season. Good player Whiteman, but certainly not irreplaceable, losing a certain centre half would have been far more damaging in my opinion.
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P.S. I don’t see Preston as a step up to be honest. Meh.
Sorry I'm not singling you out per se but some people need to give their heads a wobble re Preston's standing. They're an absolute ideal move for Ben. Looking at the teams above them where else would he go? Norwich/Swansea/Brentford/Reading/Watford? Integral though he is for us I don't see him as a regular starter for them,
I mean, if he wants a Championship move in the North West then it’s pretty slim pickings isn’t it really?
If Blackburn don’t come in for you then PNE is the only real option. Hudds or Stoke at a push would both get you closer to home, but in the Manchester area there isn’t much.
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I see no rush to sign a permanent replacement for BW. I think Smith and Richards are a really strong spine to the team and would link up perfectly for the rest of the season. What we need in my opinion is a quality cover for the rest of this season. No need to go out and panic buy, if we get promoted we will have more funds to add to the quality of the whole team in all areas. Been a pleasure watching Ben Whiteman for the Rovers and would like to wish him all the best for the future.
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He’s a good player, but we’ve certainly lost better before and the world hasn’t stopped (well, it has now I suppose but not because of Ben whiteman!)
He can be replaced. Shame he didn’t see the season out with us given the position we are in but we’ve still got a great chance. Here’s a thought, what if the player we bring in is better? It’s possible, he wasn’t exactly Patrick Vieira.
Life goes on. Good luck for the future Ben and thanks for your service to our club
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Shame to see him go but it was to be expected really and nobody can begrudge him his move, he could’ve dug his heels much sooner in previous windows and left. Ben obviously sees Preston as a good fit and it suits him in terms of being closer to home.
Probably pay rise, closer to home and a job performing at a higher level and standard overall. Anybody who says they wouldn’t be tempted is completely biased in my opinion.
It’s a step up from Doncaster Rovers.
I do hope that some of the money is reinvested into the playing squad however, this day should’ve been anticipated for a while now and I would hope and expect the club have a plan A,B and C in terms of replacing Ben that they are working on as we speak.
We are in a great position to push for the playoffs and possibly better at the halfway point of the season so we shouldn’t waste it, and we should not be relying solely on loans for the remainder of the season and going into next.
Regardless of what division we are in next season, we have very few contracted players as It is going into next season so let’s get a head start now, tie a few down and get Bens replacement in.
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In a strange way we might benefit from this on the pitch, teams have sussed us out regarding Whiteman, nulify him and we’ve found it hard work, getting a different player in might be a good move
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Filo that is being very optimistic lol, I can’t see how we can just bring a Loan player in who would you leave out?
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Filo that is being very optimistic lol, I can’t see how we can just bring a Loan player in who would you leave out?
Never said anything about a loan player, and to answer you question perhaps Whiteman? Doh!
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I was not replying to you on the loan player that was to the ones above you
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And as we are fourth in the league I’m not sure how many teams have sussed us out, but you never know
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Wouldn't mind signing a proper hardman that leaves the rest of them to play ball.
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Wouldn't mind signing a proper hardman that leaves the rest of them to play ball.
Replace one of the best ball players in the EFL with someone who can’t play footy. Glad you’re not the gaffer.
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I think we need to sign a permanent replacement for Whiteman due to the restrictions you have on loan signings in a match day squad. As you would expect another loan signing either to replace Sims or if we could extend Sims.
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The club couldn’t be in a worse place financially to negotiate a permanent signing with no supporters in the ground add that to the L1 wage caps it will be hard to persuade a decent player to take the plunge. I would expect DM to keep his power dry until he knows what division were playing in and how much he has to spend .
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Not strictly correct.
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The club couldn’t be in a worse place financially to negotiate a permanent signing with no supporters in the ground add that to the L1 wage caps it will be hard to persuade a decent player to take the plunge. I would expect DM to keep his power dry until he knows what division were playing in and how much he has to spend .
If he doesn’t sign a replacement for Ben this window, it’s a good bet that we won’t be playing in the championship next season.
I’m sure Moore and the club realise he needs replacing thankfully, and I’ve got faith they’ll bring at least one in permanently this window. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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There's a couple of things to consider for those who think DM will feel let down by this.
Since DM arrived at the club I'm sure he's attended many regular meetings where recruitment has been on the agenda. Given Ben has been subject to transfer gossip for 18 months or more, it's inconceivable that DM wasn't fully prepared for this eventuality.
Indeed eversince it was perceived that McCann would poach Ben for Hull from day one. A number of bids have been received and rejected since then therefore DM will have been aware of his value.
It should not surprise us if DM has already put the back up plan into action after months of pre planning, keeping tabs on his targets.
Footnote. A year ago, some of the same naysayers were saying we'd let him go for a million being a soft touch, yet here we are possibly making double that and also pushing for promotion. How does that possibly happen if the board doesn't have a clue how to run a football club?
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Absolutely there will be contingency plans and players earmarked.
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Any 'discount' that applies to the sale of a player in today's environment will be reflected in the purchase price of another player.
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Clearly the current circumstances has facilitated the sale and preseason with U21s being stopped and players with potential ie Max Watters leaving . So the plans of DM are secondary to keeping the club a float and functioning .But postponements and injuries to before he sorts out the players that he needs could make things worse now .
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There's a couple of things to consider for those who think DM will feel let down by this.
Since DM arrived at the club I'm sure he's attended many regular meetings where recruitment has been on the agenda. Given Ben has been subject to transfer gossip for 18 months or more, it's inconceivable that DM wasn't fully prepared for this eventuality.
Indeed eversince it was perceived that McCann would poach Ben for Hull from day one. A number of bids have been received and rejected since then therefore DM will have been aware of his value.
It should not surprise us if DM has already put the back up plan into action after months of pre planning, keeping tabs on his targets.
Footnote. A year ago, some of the same naysayers were saying we'd let him go for a million being a soft touch, yet here we are possibly making double that and also pushing for promotion. How does that possibly happen if the board doesn't have a clue how to run a football club?
Spot on Baz.
As I've mentioned elsewhere this is the 3rd transfer window where Ben has been subject to bids, and there's only so much loyalty you can accept from a player who is clearly ambitious to play at the highest level he can.
AH has a good list of replacements, we should trust in the process, its worked exceptionally well for us in recent seasons and there's no reason to suggest it won't work now.
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There's a couple of things to consider for those who think DM will feel let down by this.
Since DM arrived at the club I'm sure he's attended many regular meetings where recruitment has been on the agenda. Given Ben has been subject to transfer gossip for 18 months or more, it's inconceivable that DM wasn't fully prepared for this eventuality.
Indeed eversince it was perceived that McCann would poach Ben for Hull from day one. A number of bids have been received and rejected since then therefore DM will have been aware of his value.
It should not surprise us if DM has already put the back up plan into action after months of pre planning, keeping tabs on his targets.
Footnote. A year ago, some of the same naysayers were saying we'd let him go for a million being a soft touch, yet here we are possibly making double that and also pushing for promotion. How does that possibly happen if the board doesn't have a clue how to run a football club?
Spot on Baz.
As I've mentioned elsewhere this is the 3rd transfer window where Ben has been subject to bids, and there's only so much loyalty you can accept from a player who is clearly ambitious to play at the highest level he can.
AH has a good list of replacements, we should trust in the process, its worked exceptionally well for us in recent seasons and there's no reason to suggest it won't work now.
Not sure Williams could be classed as an exceptional signing though
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We also seem to have a propensity for skilful youngsters who are clearly struggling to make a consistent impact yet at this level- hopefully Ben’s replacement/s will be a bit more proven
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There's a couple of things to consider for those who think DM will feel let down by this.
Since DM arrived at the club I'm sure he's attended many regular meetings where recruitment has been on the agenda. Given Ben has been subject to transfer gossip for 18 months or more, it's inconceivable that DM wasn't fully prepared for this eventuality.
Indeed eversince it was perceived that McCann would poach Ben for Hull from day one. A number of bids have been received and rejected since then therefore DM will have been aware of his value.
It should not surprise us if DM has already put the back up plan into action after months of pre planning, keeping tabs on his targets.
Footnote. A year ago, some of the same naysayers were saying we'd let him go for a million being a soft touch, yet here we are possibly making double that and also pushing for promotion. How does that possibly happen if the board doesn't have a clue how to run a football club?
Spot on Baz.
As I've mentioned elsewhere this is the 3rd transfer window where Ben has been subject to bids, and there's only so much loyalty you can accept from a player who is clearly ambitious to play at the highest level he can.
AH has a good list of replacements, we should trust in the process, its worked exceptionally well for us in recent seasons and there's no reason to suggest it won't work now.
Not sure Williams could be classed as an exceptional signing though
I wasn't referring to individuals, more that the process has been working well.
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I agree we have to trust that they will replace him adequately but the only worry is, what we’re hearing now is what we heard in the days before Marquis left.
We will have a replacement lined up
We’ve had a long time to prepare for his departure
They know what they’re doing etc etc
But when it happened we were drastically short in replacing him, and even now 18 months on we still haven’t replaced him with anyone of the calibre we thought we were going to.
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I agree we have to trust that they will replace him adequately but the only worry is, what we’re hearing now is what we heard in the days before Marquis left.
We will have a replacement lined up
We’ve had a long time to prepare for his departure
They know what they’re doing etc etc
But when it happened we were drastically short in replacing him, and even now 18 months on we still haven’t replaced him with anyone of the calibre we thought we were going to.
I'm not sure where you're drawing the comparison from. At no point, when discussing replacing BW, has anybody said that we will be replacing with the same calibre of player. On the contrary, I've suggested that AH has a list of players who he is currently looking at and talking to. There's every possibility that the money will be used to bring in more than one player.
Marquis was different, he decided to opt out right at the death of the transfer window and left us with little time to react. I do think that DM got it wrong by saying we would be replacing with somebody of equal or better calibre, but when you're a new manager you want to give out positive messages.
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I agree we have to trust that they will replace him adequately but the only worry is, what we% hearing now is what we heard in the days before Marquis left.
We will have a replacement lined up
We%u2019ve had a long time to prepare for his departure
They know what they%u2019re doing etc etc
But when it happened we were drastically short in replacing him, and even now 18 months on we still haven%u2019t replaced him with anyone of the calibre we thought we were going to.
And we are 4th in the league with games in hand which IF we won we would be top. Problem, no i do not think so. We have scored 2nd most goals in the league without Marquis.
In fact with games played we have scored the most.
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I agree we have to trust that they will replace him adequately but the only worry is, what we’re hearing now is what we heard in the days before Marquis left.
We will have a replacement lined up
We’ve had a long time to prepare for his departure
They know what they’re doing etc etc
But when it happened we were drastically short in replacing him, and even now 18 months on we still haven’t replaced him with anyone of the calibre we thought we were going to.
I'm not sure where you're drawing the comparison from. At no point, when discussing replacing BW, has anybody said that we will be replacing with the same calibre of player. On the contrary, I've suggested that AH has a list of players who he is currently looking at and talking to. There's every possibility that the money will be used to bring in more than one player.
Marquis was different, he decided to opt out right at the death of the transfer window and left us with little time to react. I do think that DM got it wrong by saying we would be replacing with somebody of equal or better calibre, but when you're a new manager you want to give out positive messages.
Thanks martin,
I didn’t suggest we would be signing someone of the same calibre as whiteman.
I suggested we heard back then that we would have a replacement lined up and we wouldn’t sell without being prepared but we started the season with sadlier up front and he was our only option for a while.
I’m just worried getting a replacement is going to drag on and ruin our season
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Sadlier up front? Not this season
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I agree we have to trust that they will replace him adequately but the only worry is, what we’re hearing now is what we heard in the days before Marquis left.
We will have a replacement lined up
We’ve had a long time to prepare for his departure
They know what they’re doing etc etc
But when it happened we were drastically short in replacing him, and even now 18 months on we still haven’t replaced him with anyone of the calibre we thought we were going to.
I'm not sure where you're drawing the comparison from. At no point, when discussing replacing BW, has anybody said that we will be replacing with the same calibre of player. On the contrary, I've suggested that AH has a list of players who he is currently looking at and talking to. There's every possibility that the money will be used to bring in more than one player.
Marquis was different, he decided to opt out right at the death of the transfer window and left us with little time to react. I do think that DM got it wrong by saying we would be replacing with somebody of equal or better calibre, but when you're a new manager you want to give out positive messages.
Thanks martin,
I didn’t suggest we would be signing someone of the same calibre as whiteman.
I suggested we heard back then that we would have a replacement lined up and we wouldn’t sell without being prepared but we started the season with sadlier up front and he was our only option for a while.
I’m just worried getting a replacement is going to drag on and ruin our season
That's everyone's concern.
Once again, I'm speculating here but the DFP inferred there was a possibility of someone coming in this week, possibly in time for the weekend.
I also note on the PNE site, one of their posters claiming to have some inside insight, says announcement will be held back to give Doncaster time to announce their replacement.
Could be something or nothing but if there's a possibity of this then I'm sure the club will do their level best to make it happen.
I also wonder whether Butlers announcement was brought forward a day to give us something positive and make room for something tomorrow.
All speculation on my part of course!
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Sadlier up front? Not this season
When Marquis left
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It's a quandary? As football always is! Never been more important at our level to be in the championship, and we've got the makings of achieving that.
However this and next season, (there will be knock on effects) it's absolutely necessary to stay afloat. Can't enact plan A,B or C if your dead.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if we spent nowt and still think we're playoff bound.
Ideally we'd replace Ben even if it's a loan. Or squad numbers.(we have been effected by injuries) and you could argue its uneconomic or not available in this window. In that case address the depleted squad number that has effected us?
Not the immediate problem (no Ben) but nonetheless a problem removed?
If we spend the next 5months having daily budget threads im done!
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Sadlier up front? Not this season
Left outside more like! Until his injury of course.
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Sadlier up front? Not this season
When Marquis left
Aaaaah
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And his agent should be named and shamed.
For all we know,that could be the same agent who after an initial loan,advised him to sign for us?,the same agent who advised him to stay for the last three transfer windows?the agent who advised him to sign a 3 year contract with us?maybe he doesn't deserve to be shamed?
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
Our fans on twitter honestly make me want to scrape my retinas out with a cocktail stick. Horrendously embarrassing, most of them.
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After listening to ben it’s obvious it was his decision not his agents
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
Our fans on twitter honestly make me want to scrape my retinas out with a cocktail stick. Horrendously embarrassing, most of them.
Twitter and facebook provide a platform for the idiots to showcase their lack of brain cells
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And his agent should be named and shamed.
For all we know,that could be the same agent who after an initial loan,advised him to sign for us?,the same agent who advised him to stay for the last three transfer windows?the agent who advised him to sign a 3 year contract with us?maybe he doesn't deserve to be shamed?
Oh, ok.
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
Our fans on twitter honestly make me want to scrape my retinas out with a cocktail stick. Horrendously embarrassing, most of them.
Twitter and facebook provide a platform for the idiots to showcase their lack of brain cells
I remember the Facebook group, one highlight was when a group of people were congratulating the then drummer on squaring up to what turned out to be an autistic 9 year old because he thought his singing voice was annoying.
Honestly, looking at our social media is enough to shove your IQ right into negative digits.
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
Our fans on twitter honestly make me want to scrape my retinas out with a cocktail stick. Horrendously embarrassing, most of them.
Twitter and facebook provide a platform for the idiots to showcase their lack of brain cells
I remember the Facebook group, one highlight was when a group of people were congratulating the then drummer on squaring up to what turned out to be an autistic 9 year old because he thought his singing voice was annoying.
Honestly, looking at our social media is enough to shove your IQ right into negative digits.
Is the FB group still around, I think I was blocked from accessing there along time ago, for what reason I don’t know because I never made a post on it
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
Our fans on twitter honestly make me want to scrape my retinas out with a cocktail stick. Horrendously embarrassing, most of them.
Twitter and facebook provide a platform for the idiots to showcase their lack of brain cells
I remember the Facebook group, one highlight was when a group of people were congratulating the then drummer on squaring up to what turned out to be an autistic 9 year old because he thought his singing voice was annoying.
Honestly, looking at our social media is enough to shove your IQ right into negative digits.
Is the FB group still around, I think I was blocked from accessing there along time ago, for what reason I don’t know because I never made a post on it
Not sure to be honest, not been on Facebook in years - I do remember hearing it got removed but just hearsay really.
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Think it got banned as someone streamed a game but someone's created a new one since that.
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Jesus , just had a look on twitter comments, most reactions to the news that a player that wanted to leave has left, and there's no plan to sign iniesta ant time soon make Donald Trump look considered
Our fans on twitter honestly make me want to scrape my retinas out with a cocktail stick. Horrendously embarrassing, most of them.
Twitter and facebook provide a platform for the idiots to showcase their lack of brain cells
People take far too much notice of stuff on both of those outlets.
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Lack of brain cells, or not, these alienated people have paid money to watch their Club. For how much longer?
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Lack of brain cells, or not, these alienated people have paid money to watch their Club. For how much longer?
“ alienated” ......ya mean freakin aliens surely?
They should all bugger off and find something else to do !